[00:01:12] 03(mod) Selecting "back" button after navigating to an article from the Watchlist page results in an empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43645 (10Michelle Grover) [00:03:43] 03(mod) Selecting "back" button after navigating to an article from the Watchlist page results in an empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43645 +comment (10Jon) [00:04:21] New patchset: preilly; "No '.gitreview' file found in this repository... manually creating one" [mediawiki/extensions/DataModel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43107 [00:04:46] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/DataModel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43107 [00:05:18] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Arthur Richards) [00:07:14] 03(NEW) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 major; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [00:08:57] Change merged: Terrrydactyl; [mediawiki/extensions/Git2Pages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42902 [00:09:12] 03(mod) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 (10Ryan Kaldari) [00:10:40] terrrydactyl: Hooray for merging things. [00:11:00] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Jon) [00:14:18] marktraceur: :) i can start working the function now! need caffeine though. [00:15:46] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Max Semenik) [00:17:57] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Steven Walling) [00:20:09] 03(mod) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [00:21:37] 03(mod) Add non-English wiki support to Parsoid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43332 +comment (10Mark Holmquist) [00:24:05] New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added handling for new ContentHandler framework in MW 1.21" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43108 [00:25:47] 03(mod) Sidebar display problems after changing menu headings from h5 to h3, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [00:25:56] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43108 [00:27:26] 03(mod) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:31:24] 03(mod) Add JavaScript variable for whether user can edit the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43790 (10spage) [00:33:47] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Add mw-navigation to CSS to display: none on print." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149 [00:34:43] New patchset: Reedy; "Numerous git-deploy related updates" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43106 [00:39:48] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Add mw-navigation to CSS for display:none on print." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149 [00:41:08] 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211 (10Matthew Flaschen) [00:43:01] New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Fix - page names need to be escaped in SMWSQLStore3" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43111 [00:43:14] 03(mod) Disable India non-partner IP warning banner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43796 (10Dan Foy) [00:44:09] 03(mod) Revise whitelist for Wikipedia Zero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43797 (10Dan Foy) [00:44:09] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Remove unneeded noprint classes after CSS change." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [00:44:29] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43111 [00:44:58] 03(mod) Close box on Wikipedia Zero banner is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43803 (10Dan Foy) [00:45:52] New review: Mattflaschen; "This should be merged after https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39149/ (which is a CSS counter-part) ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [00:47:09] 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [00:47:10] New review: Matmarex; "You might want to do both things in one commit." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [00:47:50] !gitweb [00:47:51] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=$1.git [00:48:25] Is there any way to get gitweb to list an index of projects? [00:48:29] Am I really just supposed to guess? [00:48:42] Yes. [00:48:42] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/ [00:48:56] Reedy: ty [00:49:05] That should be the 404 page. Though I'm told Gitweb is dying. [00:49:08] Maybe. [00:50:04] 03(mod) Cannot download from HTTPS sources using copy upload via url-downloader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40596 +comment (10Dereckson) [00:51:05] Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149 [00:52:15] 03(NEW) Add link to source code next to MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43806 enhancement; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [00:52:18] There. [00:52:20] I filed a bug. [00:53:09] Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42699 [00:54:16] New review: Mattflaschen; "I broke it into two Gerrits, this in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43112/ , for easier deployment." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149 [00:54:42] "gerrits" - this is the last word on earth I want to see pluralized [00:54:50] Dereckson: i was working on changing the setFunctionHook to setFunctionTagHook but then i realized that there was gonna be an $input variable. I don't know if it's necessary since I wouldn't be expecting the user to be inputting anything as the contents will be pulled via the git repository. [00:55:53] Dereckson: i suppose i can disregard whatever inputs are put in, but that seems kind of dirty. it seems silly to do a tag like with nothing inside [00:56:18] Dereckson: maybe i'm misunderstanding something. [00:56:58] terrrydactyl: Shouldn't it work like ? [00:57:23] New review: Mattflaschen; "I originally did, but I split it for two reasons:" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [00:57:24] I thought XML tags were deprecated in favor of parser functions. [00:57:35] marktraceur: oh maybe. i'm so used to tags being closed. will it work like that? [00:57:41] That, I didn't know. [00:57:54] terrrydactyl: If Susan's right, maybe a parserfunction should be your goal [00:58:00] so perhaps i should stick with setFunctionHook [00:58:09] marktraceur: You'd have to ask Tim. [00:58:11] * marktraceur turns to Dereckson [00:58:17] Susan: TimStarling ? [00:58:27] Yes, of course. :-) [00:58:39] (dual purpose: clarification and highlight him) [00:58:41] the difference between setFunctionHook, setHook, and setFunctionTagHook isn't very clear [00:58:44] Susan: would work like , so the {{#snippet}} notation doesn't seem coherent. [00:59:41] * terrrydactyl looks at tag [00:59:43] Dereckson: You can put content within {{#snippet: }}. [00:59:53] I'm not sure I'd call it incoherent. [01:00:24] But it wouldn't work like because only modifies things inside of it. won't have any content, hence the syntax. [01:00:26] Of course, but we would have two source-related extensions, one with a tag, the other with a parser function. [01:00:42] You've a point there marktraceur. [01:00:54] (My reply were to Susan and the put content within) [01:00:57] *nod* [01:01:01] yeah i was in the process of writing $input then i realize there wasn't going to be any. [01:01:22] marktraceur: It came up in the context of making {{#tag:ref}} work, I think. [01:01:32] Tim made a comment on Bugzilla. [01:01:36] Right [01:01:38] But I've no idea where that might actually be. [01:01:53] Eh. I'll let it be for now. [01:01:57] And now I'm getting lost in other bugs. [01:02:00] Like . [01:02:23] New patchset: MarkAHershberger; "Bug 12900 - linkify ISBN: foo and ISBN: foo, bar, etc. beside ISBN foo_bar" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43115 [01:05:40] New review: MZMcBride; "Hmm, I'd really not like to see any expansion of magic linking in MediaWiki core." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43115 [01:06:11] maybe it makes sense to have it as a parser function then and have the syntax be: {{ #functionname: param1 | param2 | param3 }} [01:06:22] 03(mod) linkify ISBN: foo and ISBN: foo, bar, etc. beside ISBN foo_bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12900 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [01:06:23] I'm sorry, I don't know what you're working on. [01:06:30] What are you working on? [01:06:40] Susan: Essentially transcluding files from git repositories [01:06:54] To what end? [01:06:58] If I may. [01:07:04] Oh. [01:07:07] This is Git2Pages? [01:07:10] yeah [01:07:11] *nod* [01:07:21] Right. I never fully understood that one. [01:07:26] transcluding is a cool word [01:07:31] It is. [01:07:36] New patchset: Kaldari; "Overriding Vector's footer margin when in print mode" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [01:07:43] I think it may have made its way into MediaWiki now. [01:07:58] I think it start on a Wikipedia, maybe. [01:08:01] started, rather. [01:08:08] New review: MarkAHershberger; "Is there an extension where this would be more appropriate?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43115 [01:08:18] TIL [01:08:19] The interface tends to avoid it, as it's super-jargony. [01:08:39] So it'll use "Templates used on this page" rather than "Templates transcluded on this page". [01:08:48] With local customizations, of course. [01:08:52] i had to look it up to make sure it was what i thought it was [01:08:59] Heh. [01:09:18] So the idea is to be able to cite Git hashes, basically? [01:09:22] Cite and magically transclude. [01:09:23] Susan: thanks for the review... but do you know where else I could do this besides core? [01:09:32] basically [01:09:34] hexmode: Split it out into an extension. [01:09:50] I guess the RSS feed extension does something somewhat similar. [01:09:58] You'll need caching and all that, I assume you know. [01:10:05] Is this intended for Wikimedia wikis? [01:10:12] Or a personal project? Or other business? [01:10:34] hexmode: I was thinking you would make an extension with a grandfathering capability, basically. [01:10:39] well, it's a project for my internship. not really sure where it's gonna go. [01:10:42] Susan: I've enough projects already. That task (split magic linking out of core) has been sitting around. [01:10:52] hexmode: Split out the functionality, add the ability in the extension to track pages using the old (implicit) syntax. Then kill it off over time. [01:10:53] i'm just chugging along trying to get it off the ground. :) [01:11:03] hexmode: Sometimes bugs sit, yeah. ;-) [01:11:36] I would've never guessed! [01:11:38] I think it's dependent on getting the code split out of core. And I commented so. But someone else will review it. [01:11:55] hexmode: How's life? [01:12:10] also, "Susan"? Really? Are you just making yourself hard to spot? [01:12:19] 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [01:12:23] hexmode: Brooke died. [01:13:15] can parser functions take in optional values or have default values if not specified? [01:13:16] Susan: Life is good. [01:13:18] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added UIDGenerator class for getting statistically unique IDs." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37052 [01:13:39] Yes, as you're the one writing the function behavior. [01:13:46] ^ [01:13:51] Susan: we should do another DC hackathon! That is an easy one for me to get too! [01:13:57] s/too/to/ [01:13:59] hexmode: Yeah, we really should. [01:14:07] I was thinking about that as well. [01:14:13] Wikimedia DC ought to be able to put something together. [01:14:26] Susan: if you and I organise it along with the DC chapter... [01:14:34] There's a structure already in place. I'm hoping they're having a Board meeting soon. [01:14:40] Ron is still in DC :) [01:14:44] They are. In January. [01:14:45] (right?) [01:14:48] Ron? [01:14:53] Rob [01:14:55] sorry [01:14:59] Rob H., yeah. [01:15:02] And Domas is here now. ;-) [01:15:09] ! [01:15:09] ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain [01:15:10] Rob's in NoVA. [01:15:18] Heh. [01:15:30] stfu! [01:15:36] Domas is in Georgetown, I believe. [01:15:48] I say "I believe" as though I couldn't simply go down there and spot the giant. [01:17:47] Dereckson: it seems to work when i call it as {{#snippet: repository | otherparam }} [01:17:59] it prints out the message so that's good. :) [01:18:04] Nice :) [01:19:27] New patchset: Dereckson; "Add DROP INDEX support to DatabaseSqlite::replaceVars method" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40281 [01:20:08] i think i saw somewhere that i can name the inputs i.e. {{#snippet: repo="somegiturl"}} but i can't seem to find it [01:20:16] i don't know if i just imagined it [01:20:17] 03(mod) duplicate entries for the same course at Special:Courses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43782 +comment (10Sage Ross) [01:21:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions#Named_parameters [01:21:21] ah maybe i mixed it up with tags [01:21:48] New patchset: Wizardist; "Includes $query in SkinTemplate::tabAction() if $title doesn't exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [01:24:27] 03(mod) Use the current version of files from foreign repos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41832 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:24:51] 03(mod) Adding custom inter-namespace tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13228 +comment (10Pavel Selitskas) [01:25:10] 03(mod) Cannot preview deleted files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41794 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:25:14] oh here's where i found the formatting: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous bottom row. [01:25:30] " so a function returns null and we see sweden's coat of arms everywhere." [01:25:38] gwicke: bz quip, I remember that bug, heh [01:25:44] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42942 [01:26:33] 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:26:50] AaronSchulz: I don't have a clue, but imagine things going very wrong.. [01:26:56] New patchset: Dereckson; "Add DROP INDEX support to DatabaseSqlite::replaceVars method" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40281 [01:27:06] actually, s/a clue/no clue/ ;) [01:27:35] "I don't have no clue"? [01:28:22] New review: Dereckson; "PS2: rebased" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40281 [01:28:23] AaronSchulz: ehh, hrm ;) [01:28:35] no clue in any case [01:28:56] (and too many distractions) [01:29:32] * marktraceur does chicken dance in front of gwicke's desk [01:30:26] * gwicke is thankful for that whiteboard [01:30:35] * terrrydactyl does not see marktraceur actually doing a chicken dance. disappointed. [01:30:41] New review: Aaron Schulz; "Maybe distinguish null vs failure." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42794 [01:31:39] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43058 [01:32:36] New patchset: Wizardist; "Includes $query in SkinTemplate::tabAction() if $title doesn't exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [01:33:45] anyone can suggest reviewers? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43118/ [01:34:00] ...please [01:34:59] That looks like a MatmaRex review in the making! :) [01:35:30] marktraceur: thanks! [01:35:53] I'll throw in csteipp for good measure (has to do with query strings, may as well check with the security guy) [01:35:55] New patchset: GWicke; "Add some more template-affected wiki link variants" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43120 [01:36:02] and i'm falling asleep. 5am is definitely sleep time T_T [01:38:22] 03(mod) Return error rather than "zero results" when search fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43544 +comment (10Tim Starling) [01:38:31] Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43120 [01:40:07] 03(mod) Checklist/script to switch datacenters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43453 +comment (10Rob Lanphier) [01:47:50] gwicke: I swear I hear a car horn or brake sound before a crunch sound every other day [01:47:56] maybe it's just coincidence [01:48:13] is that at home or here? [01:48:17] here [01:48:46] I'm desensitized already I guess [01:49:07] somebody taking out the hydrant was fun though [01:55:05] New review: Dereckson; "@retest" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43121 [01:55:24] What's the command to ask Jenkins to test? [01:59:21] Found again. recheck. [01:59:32] New review: Dereckson; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43121 [02:00:39] But it doesn't run unit tests, only lint. [02:01:53] New review: Dereckson; "retest" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43121 [02:02:05] That would be the more logical command. [02:08:21] 03(mod) Add link to source code next to MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43806 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [02:08:38] 03(mod) [Regression] E-Mail notification mail: page names with "&" come as "&" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43070 +comment (10T. Gries) [02:10:00] 03(mod) [Regression] E-Mail notification mail: page names with "&" come as "&" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43070 +comment (10T. Gries) [02:16:28] 03(mod) Change name of Neapolitan language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43793 (10pirsquared17) [02:16:54] 03(mod) Change name of Neapolitan language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43793 (10pirsquared17) [02:18:36] 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587 +comment (10Erik Moeller) [02:20:44] 03(NEW) Can't run Jenkins test on drafts changes on Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43807 major; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; () [02:23:27] 03(mod) [Regression] E-Mail notification mail: page names with "&" come as "&" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43070 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [02:36:46] 03(mod) Change name of Neapolitan language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43793 +comment (10Dereckson) [02:51:32] New patchset: Spage; "Switch ACUX client-side events to EventLogging" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32017 [03:11:22] 03(NEW) Makefile isn't BSD make compatible. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43808 trivial; MediaWiki: Unit tests; () [03:13:00] 03(mod) PHPUnit Makefile isn't BSD make compatible. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43808 summary (10Dereckson) [03:15:03] New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 43808) PHPUnit Makefile is now compatible with BSD make." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43126 [03:15:33] 03(mod) PHPUnit Makefile isn't BSD make compatible. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43808 +comment (10Dereckson) [03:18:46] New review: Spage; "It's been logging events for me all day." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42878 [03:18:47] Change merged: Spage; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42878 [03:20:49] 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [03:38:37] New review: Mattflaschen; "+1. It's still a little bit more space than monobook after the fix, but that's why they're differen..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [03:46:07] New review: Mattflaschen; "I prefer just #id to element#id, since the latter can easily lead to dead code when you change the e..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [03:48:54] 03(mod) Allow blocking open proxies based on X-Forwarded-For header (XFF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23343 (10Philippe Beaudette) [03:48:55] Change merged: Mattflaschen; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43019 [04:02:25] New review: Daniel Friesen; "Have you tested for tabAction users in core & extensions and checked to see if any of them are doing..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [04:07:12] New review: Kaldari; "I also prefer plain #id selectors. I only used div#footer to be consistent with Vector's other style..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [04:25:50] 03(mod) Allow blocking open proxies based on X-Forwarded-For header (XFF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23343 (10Daniel Friesen) [04:29:25] 03(mod) Add transclusion count to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41365 +comment (10MZMcBride) [04:31:07] 03(NEW) Update Javanese keymap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43809 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; () [04:55:21] 03(NEW) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php line 156 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 minor; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; () [04:59:17] anyone awake? :) [05:00:13] i just upgraded to 1.20.2 from 1.16.0 and am having issues [05:06:48] blaaahzy: Just ask your questions. [05:10:43] so after upgrade it says to rename the folder, i didn't know what that meant? [05:11:45] right now it says local settings not found, complete installation and download local settings. when i put my old localsettings in, the page says not found [05:12:15] im not sure if i should try a fresh install, rather than upgrade? [05:13:47] blaaahzy: Where are you putting your old LocalSettings.php file? [05:14:00] 03(mod) Selecting "back" button after navigating to an article from the Watchlist page results in an empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43645 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [05:14:01] It should be in the root directory (alongside index.php, the extensions directory, etc.). [05:15:03] i have it in the mediawiki-1.20.2 folder [05:15:23] so yes, that seems correct [05:15:57] Is your wiki public? [05:16:00] Can I see the error you're getting? [05:16:03] yes [05:16:30] It may be a permissions issue for the file "LocalSettings.php". [05:17:37] Can you see if LocalSettings.php has the same permissions as index.php? [05:17:52] theres no file there now, but when i put mine, i get the page not found /wiki/Main_Page [05:18:04] Okay. [05:18:18] Did you have short URLs set up previously? [05:18:23] yes [05:18:27] Put LocalSettings.php where it's supposed to go. [05:18:33] ok [05:18:38] then chmod 777? [05:19:29] blaaahzy: Your issue is that your LocalSettings.php file specifies an $wgArticlePath of /wiki/$1 or something. [05:19:38] And you don't have your Web server configured to support that currently. [05:19:39] yes, that sounds right [05:19:40] 03(mod) Server-level domain redirects double-encode special characters in query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20409 (10Tim Starling) [05:19:52] blaaahzy: So either change LocalSettings.php or change your Web server. :-) [05:20:11] localsettings is easier... can you tell me what to change it to? [05:20:19] i tried one other thing [05:21:21] blaaahzy: You can probably just comment out $wgArticlePath. [05:21:37] You probably also need to update $wgScriptPath. [05:21:43] !shorturl [05:21:44] To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [05:23:01] $wgArticlePath controls the structure of your [[internal links]]. [05:23:14] ok, i commented that out, but still the same error [05:23:41] Looks like you haven't updated $wgArticlePath. [05:24:08] Can you paste that line in here? [05:24:51] oh crap, i commented script path, and left article path alone. you are saying to comment articlepath, and change script path to what you sent me? [05:25:05] I'm saying to comment out $wgArticlePath for now. [05:25:08] That'll fix your internal links. [05:25:15] Or it should. [05:25:49] that did something... :) [05:25:55] not exactly sure what [05:26:11] New review: Wizardist; "Hi, Daniel." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [05:27:04] Okay, now set $wgScriptPath appropriately. [05:27:29] It should be something like... $wgScriptPath = '/mediawiki-1.20-2/'; [05:28:01] $wgScriptPath = '/mediawiki-1.20-2'; [05:28:53] 03(mod) Ogg files stammer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40590 +comment (10Juan de Vojníkov) [05:28:54] holy schmolly! you did it! [05:29:18] Right. [05:29:42] So when you move your wiki (to /w or whatever), just be sure to update $wgScriptPath. [05:29:53] so if the site was previously at /w i just rename that mediawiki-1.20.0 to w and update the ... YES! [05:30:06] $wgScriptPath tells MediaWiki where your files are on the Web server. $wgArticlePath tells MediaWiki how to format your [[internal links]]. [05:30:56] so just back to my original question... sounds like the rename the folder at the end of the upgrade was just change it to w? [05:31:01] 03(mod) Ogg files stammer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40590 +comment (10Juan de Vojníkov) [05:31:41] If you change "mediawiki-1.20-2" to "w", you'll just need to tell LocalSettings.php via the $wgScriptPath variable. [05:31:56] yes [05:32:04] im on it now [05:32:07] :-) [05:33:26] If you want to set up short URLs (again?), you'll just need to make a few small changes to Apache and then update $wgArticlePath (to tell MediaWiki how to format your internal links). [05:33:39] Apache or whatever Web server you're running. [05:35:56] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Remove unneeded noprint classes after CSS change." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [05:37:07] !tables.sql [05:37:07] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=maintenance/tables.sql;hb=HEAD [05:37:16] 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [05:37:51] Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42794 [05:42:19] New patchset: Kaldari; "Docking overley to notifications link rather than side of window" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43143 [05:45:47] New review: Kaldari; "This might have bad consequences since I think mobile is using noprint to determine what to show on ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [05:50:31] New review: MZMcBride; "The mobile team shouldn't be mis-using a "noprint" CSS class. I don't believe the mobile team's inpu..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [05:54:32] 03(mod) Accessibility of iOS app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33933 normal->15enhancement (10Michelle Grover) [05:58:33] 03(mod) Can't select/copy text in PhoneGap-based iOS app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33777 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [06:03:57] New review: Legoktm; "Haven't been able to test it, but it looks fine to me." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39038 [06:13:20] 03(mod) Iphone app should clear input text when user starts typing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32778 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [06:21:43] 03(mod) Update Wikivoyage logo where applicable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43565 (10Erik Moeller) [06:24:42] 03(mod) History list, when cleared, re-appears when app is re-opened - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33709 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [06:28:32] 03(mod) App W and cancel buttons can't be clicked in regular web browser (Safari, Chrome) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35213 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [06:30:00] 03(mod) Allow local disabling of global AbuseFilters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43761 (10Legoktm) [06:30:15] trying to make a collapsible template with a label either on the left or following directly after the visible text (instead of right-aligning). is that possible? [06:31:10] Anything's possible. [06:31:34] i could not get the collapsible stuff to work on older php [06:31:45] 03(mod) Show last seen position in Nearby map view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35236 normal->15enhancement (10Michelle Grover) [06:31:52] New patchset: Liangent; "Disable template expansion in message ." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43150 [06:36:51] New patchset: Santhosh; "Close the editor after translating or skipping last message" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43151 [06:38:08] ok, in that case - anyone knows of some variable i can use that is unique per template inclusion? [06:38:25] so if i have more than one inclusion of the same template, each one would have a different value inside [06:38:34] i could use it for the class ID [06:41:01] New review: Mattflaschen; "As you can see, the change only affects the Vector skin, not the article content generated by wikitext." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [06:45:14] New patchset: Spage; "bug 43191 tag edits from GS in RecentChanges" [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [06:46:43] New review: Spage; "Next patch addresses all (but I don't use getAttributes()), per explanation." [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [07:05:17] New patchset: J; "set chunk size to 5MB or max php size" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43153 [07:14:42] New review: Nikerabbit; "I've been looking for something like this." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43097 [07:16:50] New patchset: J; "seek up to 3 seconds before seekpoint to extract frames" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43154 [07:26:36] Hi, I am new to mediawiki, and I am using it with Nginx, I completed the setup,but special pages are not displaying...only .php pages are working. any inclusion in nginx conf file ... please help.. [07:29:56] New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 43808) PHPUnit Makefile is now compatible with BSD make." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43126 [07:30:15] karthi: Is your wiki public? Do you have a link you can share? [07:30:34] 03(mod) PHPUnit Makefile isn't BSD make compatible. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43808 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [07:30:54] @Susan: No , I am deploying inside my company... [07:31:15] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43151 [07:31:25] karthi: What do you mean special pages are not displaying? What special page are you trying to access? [07:31:37] Can you give an example? [07:32:19] Ya, for ex Special:Statistics [07:32:49] So what happens when you try to access index.php?title=Special:Statistics? [07:32:58] Can you take a screenshot of the error? Or describe it? [07:33:39] No error reporting, it simply redirected to root index page. [07:34:09] So you start at what URL and end at what URL? [07:34:22] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43126 [07:35:08] my root is /usr/share/nginx/html and my wiki is in wiki folder inside html. [07:35:37] I'm asking about the URLs, not the file directory structure. [07:36:03] You go to URL X and then you get redirected to URL Y, right? What are X and Y? [07:36:38] when i type my IP/wiki i am getting wiki home page, but IP/wiki/Special:Statistics returns IP/index.php [07:37:11] Does IP/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage work? [07:37:15] New patchset: Wizardist; "Includes $query in SkinTemplate::tabAction() if $title doesn't exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [07:37:28] Wait, I will test and report .. [07:38:19] No, same as special page, returning to IP/index.php [07:38:31] Okay, so it's happening with more than just Special pages, then? [07:38:44] It sounds like a funky rewrite rule somewhere. [07:39:07] all .php files are working in wiki, only non .php urls are giving this type of error. [07:39:26] You mean IP/index.php?title=Special:Statistics works? [07:40:26] Ya, working.. [07:40:40] Okay, so it sounds like you set up short ("pretty") URLs for your wiki. [07:41:01] Short URLs are like /wiki/Main_Page. Long ("ugly") URLs are like /w/index.php?title=Main_Page. [07:41:15] It sounds like your rewrite rules need a tweak. [07:41:17] http://www.nginx.org/en/docs/http/converting_rewrite_rules.html may be helpful. [07:41:29] !shorturl [07:41:29] To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [07:41:30] I just followed the instruction given in nginx site to setup mediawiki. [07:41:46] Which instructions? Do you have a link? [07:43:13] Ya, http://wiki.nginx.org/MediaWiki [07:43:56] Right. That appears to be the configuration file for that particular wiki. [07:44:05] That's the configuration file that wiki.nginx.org itself uses. [07:44:13] That isn't an instructions sheet. [07:44:28] Your wiki isn't using the form wiki.nginx.org/Page_title, it doesn't sound like. [07:44:51] I think, I have to modify this to work properly... [07:44:54] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_nginx_rewrite--root_access [07:44:57] Right. [07:45:03] Okay. [07:45:08] So you know what you need to do, then. :-) [07:45:42] How to modify to include specialpages ? [07:46:09] I have no idea why you think Special pages are special. It sounds like all pages aren't working because your rewrite rules are broken. [07:47:14] no, I checked in mediawiki special pages are working with out index.php , why not in nginx configuration? [07:48:02] http://wiki.nginx.org/Special:Statistics [07:48:23] You seem to be confused about Nginx documentation versus Nginx's wiki's configuration file. [07:49:28] how its working in nginx , with the same configuration file... I get confussed. Where I have to modify? [07:51:38] some creepy naming conventions on that wiki <_> [07:55:10] any how, than you susan, thanks for your valuable suggestion... [07:55:28] karthi: Take a look at the links above. [07:56:13] OK... [07:56:37] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_nginx_rewrite--root_access [07:56:42] That page should be what you need, I think. [07:56:43] Maybe. [07:58:27] its pretty confusing stuff ;/ [08:00:11] 03(NEW) role::beta::autoupdater is missing a file :/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43811 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); () [08:00:30] 03(mod) role::beta::autoupdater is missing a file :/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43811 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [08:02:06] I will check with that , thanks... [08:03:39] New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Added merge() function to BagOStuff for CAS-like functionality." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25879 [08:10:36] 03(mod) role::beta::autoupdater is missing a file :/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43811 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [08:15:45] New review: Ori.livneh; "We should clean up Vector's other stylesheets, then :) ID only, please!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [08:24:08] 03(NEW) Create Sanskrit Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43812 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [08:24:15] 03(mod) role::beta::autoupdater is missing a file :/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43811 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [08:28:48] 03(mod) Interwiki prefix to wikt: sometimes shown in title on de.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43763 +comment (10Michael M.) [08:36:04] 03(mod) More abuse filters for article feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43417 (10Matthias Mullie) [08:36:19] 03(mod) More abuse filters for article feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43417 (10Matthias Mullie) [08:36:45] 03(mod) More abuse filters for article feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43417 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [08:36:46] 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [08:39:32] 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [08:40:52] Change restored: Krinkle; "pinging brion" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754 [08:44:53] New review: Mdale; "pretty safe chunk size change" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43153 [08:46:09] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add initial version of GettingStarted tour." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42361 [08:47:13] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add initial version of GettingStarted tour." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42361 [08:48:14] 03(mod) Please upload a video file to Wikimedia Commons 1.81 GB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41823 +comment (10Jeanne Menjoulet) [08:48:14] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42361 [08:48:40] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Exclude period from valid tour names when attempting to parse." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42719 [08:48:48] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42719 [08:51:53] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [08:54:58] New patchset: Grunny; "Adding missing message" [mediawiki/extensions/LookupUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43161 [08:58:17] 03(NEW) confusing layout in MENU > Players list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43813 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; () [09:01:25] New review: Netbrain; "Have to agree with Jeroen on this, you could remove quite alot of uneeded code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [09:01:33] New review: Netbrain; "lol" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [09:08:49] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Log events match Schema:ServerSideAccountCreation" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42918 [09:10:41] 03(mod) Create Sanskrit Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43812 (10Hrishikesh) [09:11:15] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42918 [09:13:53] i cant figure out how to make it so only users can edit pages [09:13:57] how do i do that [09:16:05] hello [09:17:24] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [09:17:25] and [09:17:37] $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true; [09:17:55] in localsettings.php I think, you might need more than just those but that's where to start [09:18:22] i have to add both of those? [09:18:27] ok [09:18:29] thanks [09:19:01] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights [09:19:18] here, this explains in more detail, like I say depending on what you want those two lines may not be sufficient [09:19:23] good luck [09:20:03] i tried that with the * now no one can edit not even me as an admin [09:20:32] yes, you need both lines [09:20:59] possibly a third with "sysop" instead of "user" [09:21:13] ok [09:21:22] so u need one for each user group then [09:24:26] 03(mod) Search on ua.wikimedia.org (chapter website) does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43663 (10Andrij) [09:28:57] 03(mod) Implement dispatcher script for change propagation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42993 +comment (10Wikidata Bot) [09:29:01] 03(mod) Warn anonymous users that we'll show their IP when they edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42954 +comment (10Wikidata Bot) [09:33:53] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174 [09:39:24] !MediaWiki:common.css [09:40:30] !MediaWiki:common.css alias css [09:40:30] Created new alias for this key [09:40:35] New patchset: Hashar; "ignore /.deploy used by git-deploy" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43165 [09:42:14] New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18n review" [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [09:43:25] New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18n review" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42361 [09:45:32] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 summary (10Andre Klapper) [09:46:44] New review: Hashar; "Probably want to cherry pick that in our WMF branches." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43165 [09:47:17] 03(mod) Update Javanese keymap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43809 (10Andre Klapper) [09:49:13] New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Show detailed errors for bad titles instead of just "Bad Title" page" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43166 [09:50:11] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25879 [09:53:21] 03(mod) Deploy git-deploy to the Beta Cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43339 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [09:54:15] New patchset: Santhosh; "Load the messages in message table dynamically as user scrolls" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42934 [09:56:20] 03(mod) CentralAuth: global suppression does not suppress very well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23310 (10Andre Klapper) [09:56:23] 03(mod) Preceding text and single apostrophes are not included in links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/468 (10Andre Klapper) [09:56:25] 03(mod) Cannot install mediawiki when database admin user password ends with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30524 (10Andre Klapper) [09:58:53] 03(mod) Warn anonymous users that we'll show their IP when they edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42954 +comment (10Wikidata Bot) [09:58:59] 03(mod) Warn anonymous users that we'll show their IP when they edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42954 +comment (10Wikidata Bot) [10:00:12] New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Show detailed errors for bad titles instead of just "Bad Title" page" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43166 [10:02:33] 03(mod) Use baseline shift when positioning inline math PNGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32694 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:03:22] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32017 [10:05:49] New patchset: Pginer; "Fixes for expandable documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43169 [10:07:20] hi [10:07:24] 03(mod) Remove me as default assignee - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43794 (10Andre Klapper) [10:07:48] is the .alias.php file necessary for an extension that creates a specialpage? [10:07:56] hello... i want to join to german channel... but i were kicked... its an invite channel... who can invite me to the #de.wikipedia ? [10:09:15] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Key based offsets for message collection" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43170 [10:11:08] New review: Ori.livneh; "???????@" [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [10:12:11] aharoni: ^ Shock and horror. [10:12:49] hi ori-l [10:12:57] :) [10:13:08] hi Nikerabbit [10:13:50] New patchset: Pginer; "Fixes for expandable documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43169 [10:14:33] (horror was at gerrit-wm's interrogative gloss on Hebrew orthography.) [10:15:06] yeah, it's 2013 and something doesn't do unicode [10:15:34] constant( 'RC_EDIT' ) why not just RC_EDIT? [10:17:27] Nikerabbit: you're right, that's a bit silly [10:17:33] 03(mod) Remove me as default assignee - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43794 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:17:46] * ori-l fixes. [10:18:53] New patchset: Pastakhov; "version 0.9.5.1 (alfa)" [mediawiki/extensions/Numbertext] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43171 [10:19:55] Change merged: Pastakhov; [mediawiki/extensions/Numbertext] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43171 [10:20:31] 03(mod) Enable SearchExtraNs extension on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43329 -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Nemo) [10:20:38] 03(mod) Enable SearchExtraNs extension on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43329 (10Nemo) [10:20:40] New patchset: Netbrain; "Added support for exporting to Microsoft Office Excel file format" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [10:20:48] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Drop unnecessary constant()" [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43173 [10:22:37] New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "DataModel" [mediawiki/extensions/DataModel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42953 [10:23:03] 03(mod) Add link to source code next to MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43806 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:25:23] 03(NEW) Link to Special:SetLabel from EntityView in non-JavaScript version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43814 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [10:25:23] 03(mod) Remove some Git-control files from distribution package - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36474 (10Nemo) [10:25:27] 03(mod) Link to Special:SetLabel from EntityView in non-JavaScript version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43814 (10tobias.gritschacher) [10:25:37] New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264 [10:26:17] New patchset: Netbrain; "Added support for exporting to Microsoft Office Excel file format" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [10:29:14] New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins validation test (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43176 [10:29:49] 03(mod) "WikidataRepo" and "WikidataClient" should be renamed in "Wikibase Repo" and Wikibase Client" on Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43294 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:31:06] New patchset: Spage; "Match Dario schema edits" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43177 [10:31:06] New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43176 [10:33:45] New patchset: Netbrain; "Added support for exporting to Microsoft Office Excel file format" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [10:34:34] New review: Ori.livneh; "+99999." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43177 [10:36:55] is someone here, that can help me with an extension? [10:37:21] 03(mod) linkify ISBN: foo and ISBN: foo, bar, etc. beside ISBN foo_bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12900 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [10:38:05] 03(NEW) Some more extension to bundle with the 1.21 tarball/installer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43815 enhancement; Tools: [Other]; () [10:39:29] New patchset: Santhosh; "Do not show message documentation of documentaion language not defined" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43179 [10:39:42] 03(NEW) place of captcha for creating new users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43816 enhancement; MediaWiki: User login; () [10:40:36] 03(mod) Some more extension to bundle with the 1.21 tarball/installer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43815 +comment (10Max Semenik) [10:42:02] 03(mod) Warn anonymous users that we'll show their IP when they edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42954 (10Henning (WMDE)) [10:44:01] 03(mod) "WikidataRepo" and "WikidataClient" should be renamed in "Wikibase Repo" and Wikibase Client" on Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43294 +comment (10Aude) [10:44:18] 03(mod) Installer: extensions improvements: descriptions, alternatives, multiselection, configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31279 summary (10Nemo) [10:44:19] 03(mod) add link to an extensions portal onto last installation screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43504 (10Nemo) [10:44:46] 03(mod) Installer: extensions improvements: descriptions, alternatives, multiselection, configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31279 (10Nemo) [10:44:47] 03(mod) Please let installer auto-enable extensions bundled in a MediaWiki tarball - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10596 (10Nemo) [10:45:56] New patchset: Pginer; "Fixes for expandable documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43169 [10:47:50] 03(mod) Installer: extensions improvements: descriptions, alternatives, multiselection, configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31279 (10Nemo) [10:47:50] 03(NEW) Include short descriptions for extensions bundled in the release - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43817 enhancement; MediaWiki: Installer; () [10:49:49] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43181 [10:51:45] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (DO NOT SUBMIT)." [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43181 [10:52:44] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (DO NOT SUBMIT).." [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43181 [10:58:14] 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:04:09] New review: Raimond Spekking; "Hey, GoogleTranslate knows ??????? :-) Its my name :-)" [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42198 [11:04:54] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Fix access to other wiki's job queue." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43183 [11:05:22] 03(NEW) Current conventions for declaring schema are repetitive and could lead to collisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43818 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EventLogging; () [11:08:17] 03(mod) Fix edits following user rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30923 +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn) [11:10:56] New review: Siebrand; "Looks okay. One docs issue inline." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43170 [11:11:53] 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [11:14:24] 03(NEW) cant compile luasandbox on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43819 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Scribunto; () [11:16:36] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43181 [11:16:56] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43181 [11:17:29] 03(mod) cant compile luasandbox on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43819 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:20:18] 03(mod) query string's ending semicolon can appear to be the last field's value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43600 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [11:21:24] 03(mod) Use localStorage as a queue to increase fraction of events that eventually fire - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42815 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [11:21:45] 03(mod) Link to Special:SetLabel from EntityView in non-JavaScript version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43814 +comment (10Wikidata Bot) [11:22:23] 03(mod) events log with _ok: true even with validation errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43550 (10Ori Livneh) [11:23:56] 03(mod) Flag/exclude events originating from WMF's IP range - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43639 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [11:24:31] New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "(bug 43541) Compatibility with foreign repositories" [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43187 [11:24:57] Change merged: VitaliyFilippov; [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43187 [11:27:37] 03(mod) SlimboxThumbs incompatible with foreign API repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43541 +comment (10Vitaliy Filippov) [11:28:32] 03(mod) Only the first edit to a GettingStarted page is tagged. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43798 (10spage) [11:28:52] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 43272) Clearer protect level messages for EN" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39492 [11:30:45] New patchset: Santhosh; "Fixes for expandable documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43169 [11:31:47] 03(mod) On wikidata.org, api login returns wrong lgtoken (object replacement character) in response body; correct in HTTP header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:32:02] 03(mod) Edit protection options in English are confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43272 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [11:32:22] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43169 [11:36:00] New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins job validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/php/FastStringSearch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43192 [11:36:20] New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins job validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/php/NativePreprocessor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43193 [11:38:12] New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins job validation (do not submit)." [mediawiki/php/NativePreprocessor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43193 [11:38:46] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/php/NativePreprocessor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43193 [11:39:00] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/php/FastStringSearch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43192 [11:39:23] New review: Nemo bis; "No way you can use "can edit": those messages are used also for move protection and even for other k..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39492 [11:39:35] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins job validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/php/wikidiff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43194 [11:39:54] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins job validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/php/wikidiff2] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43195 [11:42:54] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [11:45:49] New patchset: Spage; "bug 43798: don't remove tasks from cookie on save" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [11:46:15] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Load the messages in message table dynamically as user scrolls" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42934 [11:46:59] 03(mod) enable PageTriage in test2wiki environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43203 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:47:23] New review: Ori.livneh; "At what point does the cookie overflow?" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [11:48:02] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add supervisord email alert script" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42752 [11:48:36] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42934 [11:50:21] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add supervisord email alert script" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42752 [11:50:30] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins job validation (do not submit).." [mediawiki/php/wikidiff2] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43195 [11:51:21] Change abandoned: Hashar; "successsss" [mediawiki/php/wikidiff2] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43195 [11:52:07] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins job validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/php/wmerrors] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43197 [11:52:38] Change abandoned: Hashar; "successss" [mediawiki/php/wmerrors] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43197 [11:53:24] can someone help me with the resourceloader? [11:54:30] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/php/wikidiff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43194 [11:55:53] New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins validation test (do not submit)." [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43176 [11:56:15] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Pass key name as parameter to message." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43198 [11:56:16] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Log debug warning on invalid server events." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43199 [11:56:16] Change abandoned: Hashar; "success (somehow)" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43176 [11:59:16] 03(NEW) Getting diffs from API is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43820 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [12:02:38] New review: Nikerabbit; "Will fix in followup commit, this is getting messy." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43170 [12:04:12] hop hop jenkins, don't have all day [12:04:12] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43170 [12:06:40] New review: Spage; "Go to sleep!" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [12:09:47] 03(mod) Factbox vanishing when reloading page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38809 +comment (10DaSch) [12:14:38] 03(mod) Error in uploading the published file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25310 (10mybugs.mail) [12:17:16] 03(mod) Use relative links (or, do not create unsecure links for users on secure server) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29649 (10mybugs.mail) [12:21:34] New patchset: Spage; "Log userNotShownCAPTCHA client-side" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43200 [12:28:02] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix tux paging counters" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [12:28:21] New patchset: Pginer; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [12:36:39] 03(mod) Cancel Button saves text, Publish Button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42198 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:37:25] 03(mod) Docs about files needed by generateCollationData.php should be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43804 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [12:37:31] 03(mod) Remove some Git-control files from distribution package - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36474 (10Chad H.) [12:38:06] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [12:39:00] 03(NEW) [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard.git] / resources / mw.FormDataTransport.js makes use of deprecated jQuery.browser and uses string comparison - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43821 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; () [12:40:15] 03(mod) [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard.git] / resources / mw.FormDataTransport.js makes use of deprecated jQuery.browser and uses string comparison - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43821 normal->minor (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [12:40:24] 03(mod) Feedback link on article pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42057 (10Andre Klapper) [12:46:55] New review: Siebrand; "12:28:08 >> resources/js/ext.translate.messagetable.js: line 68, col 25, Expected '===' and instead ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [12:48:07] New review: Mwjames; "Thanks for your contribution." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [12:56:30] 03(mod) Cannot download from HTTPS sources using copy upload via url-downloader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40596 +comment (10Mark Bergsma) [12:58:34] New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264 [13:00:13] 03(mod) Getting diffs from API is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43820 normal->major; +code-update-regression; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:00:41] where's ^demon? [13:00:59] New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 43419 - Remove reader tools for editors in feedback page" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43203 [13:03:31] New patchset: Santhosh; "Optimize the looping on open editors in the translate page" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43204 [13:05:24] 03(mod) Use relative links (or, do not create unsecure links for users on secure server) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29649 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:09:52] 03(NEW) Commons: Interface does not recognize local forms of English as English when identifying description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43822 normal; MediaWiki: Interface; () [13:17:18] 03(mod) Remove reader tools for editors in feedback page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43419 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [13:20:25] Change restored: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37433 [13:20:32] New patchset: Hashar; "validate jenkins job (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37433 [13:21:24] Change abandoned: Hashar; "yeah we have pep8" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37433 [13:21:58] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 +comment (10Dereckson) [13:21:59] Change abandoned: Wizardist; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37837 [13:22:17] Change abandoned: Wizardist; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35436 [13:28:20] 03(mod) Add a button to request a new fancy captcha (code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14230 (10mybugs.mail) [13:28:21] 03(mod) Make MediaWiki more AJAXy (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14123 (10mybugs.mail) [13:40:04] New patchset: Pginer; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [13:43:04] New patchset: Pginer; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [13:45:58] 03(NEW) Allow autogrow on text input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43823 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [13:48:40] 03(mod) Link to Special:SetLabel from EntityView in non-JavaScript version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43814 (10tobias.gritschacher) [13:52:19] 03(mod) Allow autogrow on text input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43823 (10Leonard Wallentin) [14:10:22] 03(mod) update jenkins ant script to link sqlite directoy to a tempfs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41868 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:11:54] Change restored: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800 [14:13:24] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800 [14:13:40] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43204 [14:15:10] 03(NEW) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [14:15:31] 03(mod) update jenkins ant script to link sqlite directoy to a tempfs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41868 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:15:40] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800 [14:18:01] 03(NEW) remove /mnt/jenkins-tmp mount from gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43825 trivial; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; () [14:18:13] 03(mod) remove /mnt/jenkins-tmp mount from gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43825 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:19:39] 03(mod) Show MediaWiki message documentation on wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17715 +comment (10Pavel Selitskas) [14:20:52] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix tux paging counters" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [14:21:11] Hello all, I was wondering if there were any changes made to api.parse in 1.20? [14:22:49] 03(mod) Make SRF support foreign image repos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43632 +comment (10Leonard Wallentin) [14:23:54] 03(mod) Show MediaWiki message documentation on wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17715 +comment (10Nemo) [14:26:22] New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 43820) Content also needed for prop=revisions&rvdiffto=" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43212 [14:26:50] 03(mod) Getting diffs from API is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43820 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [14:26:59] 03(mod) Getting diffs from API is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43820 +patch-in-gerrit (10Brad Jorsch) [14:29:07] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Initial version of Special:SearchTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42932 [14:31:13] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [14:48:44] New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "(bug 42326) Add function to get the user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33505 [14:51:56] New patchset: Hashar; "Script to help to maintain CREDITS file" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40080 [14:53:54] New review: Hashar; "PS7:" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40080 [15:01:58] New patchset: Hashar; "GlobalFunctions.php conditionally uses bcmath functions in wfBaseConvert since 9b9daad" [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962 [15:02:08] New review: Hashar; "rebased on latest master" [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962 [15:02:51] New patchset: Hashar; "allow BCMath PHP extensions functions" [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962 [15:03:16] New review: Hashar; "PS3:" [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962 [15:03:35] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Tiago Ferreira) [15:05:21] 03(NEW) Exception in maps geodistance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43826 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; () [15:06:19] 03(mod) Distance calculation leads to giant error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42895 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:06:29] 03(mod) Exception in maps geodistance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43826 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:10:35] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [15:15:45] New patchset: Hashar; "ignore /.deploy used by git-deploy" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43165 [15:16:34] 03(mod) Add transclusion count to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41365 +comment (10Tyler Romeo) [15:16:42] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "This fix is functional, though the solution could be more elegant/efficient (see inline comments). A..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43212 [15:17:51] New review: Anomie; "Simple enough." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43165 [15:19:33] New review: Anomie; "So that explains how we missed it." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43212 [15:19:39] New patchset: Hashar; "ignore /.deploy used by git-deploy" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43213 [15:20:12] New patchset: Hashar; "ignore /.deploy used by git-deploy" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43214 [15:20:37] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43212 [15:22:52] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43165 [15:23:18] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix exepception in rendering of #geodistance" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43215 [15:23:18] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed issues with parserhook tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43216 [15:24:03] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43215 [15:24:08] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43216 [15:24:25] 03(mod) Exception in maps geodistance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43826 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:24:37] 03(mod) enable PageTriage in test2wiki environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43203 +comment (10Chris McMahon) [15:26:49] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Firefox has issues using VE when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193 (10turb) [15:30:54] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Display proper language names and group names in search page" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43217 [15:32:33] Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43213 [15:32:35] 03(NEW) Jenkins-bot can not merge in wmf branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43827 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [15:33:17] 03(mod) Wikimedia Pakistan mailing list required - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43773 +comment (10Saqib) [15:34:19] 03(mod) Jenkins-bot can not merge in wmf branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43827 +comment (10Chad H.) [15:36:23] 03(mod) Remove me as default assignee - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43794 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:39:04] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42593 [15:41:51] 03(mod) Functional property (property only usable once per instance) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13597 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:42:03] 03(mod) Functional property (property only usable once per instance) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13597 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:43:57] 03(mod) The "not" comparator should be usable on categories. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21317 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:45:49] 03(mod) The ! (not) Comparator doesn't work for many-valued properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28729 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:47:00] 03(mod) Special properties (such as Creation_date) are not generated when no string in localised file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40731 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:47:48] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Tiago Ferreira) [15:49:49] Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43214 [15:51:49] 03(mod) enable PageTriage in test2wiki environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43203 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [15:52:57] 03(mod) resources/mw.FormDataTransport.js makes use of deprecated jQuery.browser and uses string comparison - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43821 summary (10Nischay Nahata) [15:53:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Agree with mwj, this would fit better in SRF." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [15:54:06] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [15:54:35] New patchset: Aude; "Add css $classes variable to the OldChangesListRecentChangesLine hook" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43220 [15:57:04] Is Tidy ever happy? [15:57:51] New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix tux paging counters" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [15:58:00] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "From your change to the gitignore I'm guessing you are using phpstorm and have the SMW dir as your p..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43172 [15:58:47] Good morning MediaWiki IRC, I'm excited for another day of learning more about MediaWiki! [15:59:26] mitevam: hi [15:59:32] mitevam: I just made it this second to my coworking space [15:59:45] how are you today? [16:00:01] hi sumanah [16:00:05] i'm good [16:00:21] i've updated my table on my page [16:00:25] you can see it now [16:00:46] mitevam: I think starting tomorrow I'm going to set a calendar appointment so that I come into IRC the same time every day to make sure I don't accidentally concentrate on something else and miss talking with you! [16:00:48] even though I couldn't figure out how to make it narrower yet and it comes out a little wierd at least on my 11 inch screen [16:01:03] mitevam: lemme look. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mitevam right? [16:01:09] yes [16:01:21] good usage of {{@}} :) [16:01:37] 03(mod) alter UX for (not) reviewed user's own page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39309 (10Nischay Nahata) [16:01:37] 03(mod) User can review self-created article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43670 (10Nischay Nahata) [16:01:40] sumanah: i'm currently working on writing a couple of blog post since I realized I never posted and its about time:) [16:01:51] mitevam: good idea :-) I think that's good. [16:01:57] sumanah: yes, it was hard to get wrong with a quick find and replace :) [16:02:02] ha! [16:02:13] 03(NEW) [selenium] way to filter out tests for experimental features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43828 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [16:02:18] 03(mod) [selenium] way to filter out tests for experimental features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43828 (10tobias.gritschacher) [16:02:30] mitevam: slight side digression: at Amazon and Fog Creek and some other places, there used to be (maybe still is) a job interview question that is basically about search and replace [16:02:33] have you heard about this? [16:03:07] sumanah no i haven't what is it ? [16:03:43] https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/five-essential-phone-screen-questions #3. [16:03:59] "If they say, after hearing the question, "Um... grep?" then they're probably OK.......They can also use find, or write a Perl script (or awk or bash or etc.). Anything that shows they have even the tiniest inkling of why Unix is *Unix*." [16:04:55] anyway, that's a side note but I think it's interesting [16:05:08] mitevam: what do you want your next step to be? "not sure" is an ok answer :) [16:05:30] sumanah i was thinking [16:05:34] 03(NEW) Enable Page Curation on it.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43829 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; () [16:05:51] 03(mod) Enable Page Curation on it.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43829 +shell (10Emanuele Raoli) [16:05:59] 1) contact people i don't have proper contact info for (only a contact form ) and try to get an email address for a relevant person or something [16:06:07] Does anybody have any idea on when a widget might be getting too big? Mine's hitting a few hundred lines and I'm wondering if random stuff is going to start happening [16:06:24] sumanah: 2) maybe somehow contact the community and ask what feedback they would like to get from 3-rd party users [16:06:56] sumanah: I got my first Talk page post today from Nemo asking if I would be collection feedback about what should go into release notes for example [16:07:01] New review: Santhosh; "Did some minor cleanup. lets merge it" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [16:07:02] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43201 [16:07:20] sumanah: also maybe getting feedback from people on how vendors could contribute? [16:07:39] sumanahL that all would go into "coming up with a strategy" that you suggessted earlier [16:08:16] * sumanah will read this in a moment [16:08:24] 03(mod) Enable Upload only for sysop on it.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43524 +comment (10Emanuele Raoli) [16:08:34] sumanah: also I'm thinking language barrier might be preventing me from finding vendors in certain places like China for example but not sure what to do about that [16:08:46] mitevam: liangent might be able to help with that..... [16:09:48] 03(mod) Enable E3 on it.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43605 +comment (10Emanuele Raoli) [16:10:20] sumanah: probably yes( I am guessing he/she is Chinese if you suggest that? ), I will ask, is there anyone else I should ask about specific places? [16:11:36] sumanah: I though about next steps today and pretty much that's what seemed reasonable to me, did you have any in mind for me? :) [16:12:15] sumanah: which line should I start reading from? [16:12:29] ok, I am back [16:12:48] (sorry, my host at this coworking environment wanted to say hi and so I had to fulfill guestlike expectations) [16:13:42] liangent: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mitevam -- there is a table there of enterprises we want to reach out to, and mitevam needs help checking Chinese-language sources to add to this list -- she can tell you more about it. mitevam yes liangent is a fluent Chinese speaker [16:15:44] 03(mod) [selenium] way to filter out tests for experimental features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43828 (10tobias.gritschacher) [16:15:57] hi liangent [16:16:00] mitevam: you could ask on translatewiki.net in the general discussion area there to get help -- basically you could ID a list of like 10 languages you would ask people to search in and then get back to you with some links/names. Then translate.google.com could help you find the contact info of businesses once you have identified them [16:16:09] Nemohttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Why_upgrade.3F is [16:16:25] mitevam: hi [16:16:28] Nemo's comment reminds me of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Why_upgrade.3F which I started specifically so we could point people who run 3rd party wikis to it [16:16:39] * sumanah is being a bit unorganized, sorry [16:17:38] so what can I help? [16:17:48] sumanah i will try translatewiki.net...that sounds like whwat I was looking for.. a place where I can ask for more than one language :) [16:18:26] liangent i am trying to compile a list of active 3-rd party mediawiki users to reach out to and I'm trying to make it as exhaustive as possible [16:18:38] 03(mod) result format Graph / #smwdoc support missing (1.8 alpha) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38588 +comment (10[[kgh]]) [16:19:01] mitevam: I think that your ideas for steps are generally good :-) yes, asking on wikitech-l and mediawiki-l for "I am reaching out to 3rd parties, what is the most useful info to get?" is a reasonable thing to do [16:19:05] 03(mod) result format Process / #smwdoc support missing (1.8 alpha) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38587 +comment (10[[kgh]]) [16:19:19] liangent: but I'm afraid language barrier might be preventing me from finding any users in China ( I haven't found any and I imagine they exist) so I was hoping I could get help from a fluent speaker [16:19:40] 03(NEW) Add Reim namespace to German Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43830 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [16:19:40] 03(NEW) DynamicSidebar Extension i18n language problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43831 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; () [16:19:51] New patchset: Amire80; "Remove width rule for the "copy code" button" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43223 [16:20:07] mitevam: you know already how to do a WHOIS search for a domain name? [16:20:22] mitevam: actually I don't see many [16:20:44] 03(mod) DynamicSidebar Extension i18n language problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43831 (10cmwg71) [16:20:54] one user who was seeking help from me is http://www.wikipoke.com [16:20:55] liangent: basically i would be very thankful if you could do a little web searching on mediawiki consultants, developers, hosting services, anything in china [16:21:34] liangent: that's strange, do they use an alternative wiki as they use another facebook? [16:22:12] New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF\EventCalendar SMWAPI/Ajax integration" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41939 [16:22:33] sumanah i have done whois searches before, yes, but would that be the best way to get contact info? or would that be a fallback option? [16:22:35] mitevam: many of them use HDwiki [16:22:36] I wonder whether there are just fewer "I will use FLOSS to make your life better" consultants in China [16:22:41] at http://kaiyuan.hudong.com [16:23:03] mitevam: I think it would be a fallback option, for places where you try the contact form and no one gets back to you within 2 business days [16:24:05] I guess (not so sure) one of its features which attacts users in china a lot is fetching data from http://www.hudong.com/ , a website which "works like" wikipedia [16:24:28] mitevam: what languages have you already covered? [16:25:09] and their user credit&level system - lots of chinese netizen love that [16:25:46] liangent OMG I feel lost, does http://www.wikipoke.com have any English version? I can't find any googling it. [16:26:00] New review: Mwjames; "Here it is 0.7.2 ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41939 [16:26:47] sumanah: i have covered english, I tried Bulgarian of course, tried Spanish and Russian as well but I can't say I am 100% confident with my searches there [16:27:03] mitevam: I think that's admirable! More than I could do! [16:27:13] mitevam: it's intended to be a chinese version of http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page [16:27:15] sumanah: i could probably also do some basic searching in Italian now that I think aboit it [16:27:21] cool :-) [16:27:29] I think German is the big one you're probably missing. [16:27:37] With French behind that. [16:27:46] yes, I found several in German, MediaWiki seems to be big there [16:27:49] not sure whether it's an exact translated version [16:28:16] sumanah: maybe japanese too [16:28:22] oh you found the German ones? I guess they also have English sites, or at least are reachable via Latin character web searches! [16:28:33] sumanah: i also expected to find more in india and I'm surprised I haven't [16:29:01] sumanah: and language should not be the problem with India...:) [16:29:03] mitevam: so, my impression is that in some markets, the wording might just be "wiki" or they might even not mention that they are doing MediaWiki stuff [16:29:50] also, in Russia and some other markets, people are much more comfortable pirating proprietary software than using FLOSS :/ [16:29:58] sumanah: yes, it's possible. I was thinking is there some mailing lists they would subscribe to so maybe in a way instead of me looking for them they would reveal themselves ? [16:30:41] that's a good question. I think mediawiki-l and to a lesser extent mediawiki-enterprise are good places to look. I think we should also consider that the FLOSS community includes a lot of power users of MW [16:30:53] you noticed Mozilla for instance. and I know Fedora uses a big MediaWiki instance as well [16:31:16] i will look for Fedora [16:31:42] (I have a hypothesis that in some markets the wiki way -- letting everyone edit! -- is just way too much for their more hierarchy-oriented minds to handle. This is one reason why more enterprisey wiki packages like Confluence have more of an installed base in big corporations) [16:32:16] * YuviPanda notes that emailing word docs around is still the most common form of 'collaboration' [16:32:18] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup of the property statistics code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37656 [16:32:19] sumanah: yeas not only pirating, also there isn't that much of a cosporate culture and organization ( I can at least say for Bulgaria) for companies to pay for wikis ...it seems to be a little more improvised...:) [16:32:49] well, Confluence is a heck of a lot easier to manipulate than Mediawiki sumanah ;-) [16:33:04] I believe it. I bet they've had UX designers since the start! [16:33:19] (and Confluence plugs right in to Jira, and Jira is the flagship Atlassian product) [16:33:19] mitevam: chrismcmahon worked on a competing wiki application once called SocialText (IIRC) [16:33:22] hey chrismcmahon! I was looking for you! Want a little bit of testing structure advice! [16:33:34] YuviPanda: always [16:33:52] chrismcmahon: I'm porting github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime to Java (for use on Android) [16:33:59] so mitevam if you write up a little "hey, I'm looking to talk with you to hear your feature requests" note, you can get it translated via translatewiki.net I bet, and I can send it to LWN.net and other places where people who run big MediaWiki installations are likely to hang out [16:34:01] chrismcmahon: I'm almost done porting the code, and want to 'port' the tests [16:34:07] Example: http://owasp.org/ [16:34:20] chrismcmahon: tests are in JS, but the code to be tested is Java [16:34:38] chrismcmahon: I've a few options. Write a script that generates JUnit tests from the qunit tests. [16:34:45] hexmode: do you have a moment to talk with mitevam & me re how you'd like release notes process to go? [16:35:06] 03(mod) SMW + 4store: SMWSparqlDatabaseError / Malformed query - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43708 +comment (10Daniel J Clark) [16:35:07] sure :) [16:35:28] sumanah ok I will do that [16:35:29] chrismcmahon: or write a small harnass of sorts that lets me call into the Java code from JS, and keep tests in QUnit (the harnass might use a socket server or STDIN/STDOUT to interact with JS (node.js)) [16:35:45] chrismcmahon: thoughts on which would be the better idea? [16:35:49] * YuviPanda is a testing noob [16:35:49] hi hexmode [16:36:00] hey! [16:36:03] hexmode: maybe you've "met" mitevam before in IRC/mail? [16:36:05] YuviPanda: do plan on running these tests on gallium (or whatever host Jenkins is on now)? [16:36:06] * sumanah cannot recall [16:36:14] do you [16:36:33] chrismcmahon: yes, I do. (It is on my near-term TODO list to integrate this with jenkins) [16:38:06] sumanah: I don't know. I did see her work on finding mw peeps, though :) [16:38:25] 03(mod) SemanticMaps 2.1 alpha minzoom and maxzoom not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42158 +comment (10Neill Mitchell) [16:38:25] mitevam: so to sum up, I would suggest that your next step would be: write up that outreachy note (focusing on "I want to hear your feature requests" because that, in my opinion, is the most exciting thing we could say to the 3rd party people), and start getting it translated and get it to me, and send it in English to the people already in your table [16:38:25] mitevam: hey! [16:38:29] does that sound good to you, mitevam? [16:39:19] hexmode: so per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Mitevam and per your recent thread on wikitech-l, readable release notes that highlight "this affects you!" changes are a good idea :-) [16:39:47] mitevam: did you see that thread on wikitech-l? [16:40:25] sumanah: :) [16:40:48] chrismcmahon: From a programming standpoint, I'd prefer option 2 (Java / JS bridge - cleaner, less moving parts). But I'm not sure if having tests in a different environment than what is being tested is a good idea [16:40:55] YuviPanda: you should probably take this up with hashar and Krinkle, because a) Jenkins will probably want junit-style XML reporting (there are lots of standard ways to generate that) and b) you may not be able to install certain software on WMF hosts, like particular versions of Java or node.js, and you should check to make sure that we can host all the stuff you'll need on the Jenkins host. [16:41:12] sumanah yes that sound good about the next step and yes i did read it, Nemo pointed me to me in his post [16:41:12] mitevam: all the OFFICIAL archives of the mailing lists are on wikimedia.org but there are also mirrors on other sites. Sometimes these sites present them in easier-to-read formats. Example: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/325449 and http://wikimedia.7.n6.nabble.com/Developers-what-are-you-working-on-or-Improving-the-release-notes-for-1-21-tt4993286.html [16:41:17] okay! [16:41:46] chrismcmahon: I know that the Java stuff is not a problem at all, since we already build the Android app on Jenkins (and that requires all the stuff this does). I'll ask them about node.js though [16:42:43] (there is a dog next to me at this coworking space. I am sitting on a couch, and the dog has sat down next to me. Dogs really do that thing of circling around a spot before lying down! it is not a myth or metaphor!) [16:43:04] YuviPanda: out of curiosity, why not use jUnit for Java code? [16:43:19] chrismcmahon: well, I'm porting code from JS to Java [16:43:26] chrismcmahon: and there already exist a lot of JS unit tests [16:43:36] chrismcmahon: and an active community maintaining them (The Language Engineering Team) [16:43:44] chrismcmahon: so me rewriting them would be pointless [16:43:45] sumanah: you haven't been around dogs a lot before this, I take it. [16:43:47] hexmode: just wanted to check in -- I saw your thread and think it's a good idea :) [16:43:50] ah. [16:43:57] np [16:44:06] +1 on not being around dogs much [16:44:08] hexmode: I used to be really scared of dogs because of something that happened when I was a kid. and yeah I never had a dog as a pet. [16:44:19] YuviPanda: seems like the thing to do would be to port the tests along with the code, but not my call. [16:44:41] hexmode: so you're gardening/writing release notes for 1.21? [16:44:55] sumanah not sure why i need to translate the note though when I think about it now? are you posting it in many languages? I mean it will need translation if I find users who dont speak english I guess but that can be done for specific cases maybe [16:45:03] dogs are nice, usually. but, yeah, sometimes scary. [16:45:27] chrismcmahon: hmm, problem would be me having to manually update my tests everytime the Language guys change it [16:45:47] sumanah: I think it is better to start on the notes now and have better ones than wait till the last minute. So I'm trying. [16:45:57] mitevam: Hmmm.... I think you might want to ask people on translatewiki.net to *do the search for you*, then, rather than translate the outreach note. You're right [16:46:07] hexmode: good idea :) [16:46:25] ok, I have to head off for a bit, but thanks for the chat all [16:46:43] hexmode: as I am planning to reach out to 3-rd party users, is there anything specific you would like to ask them about release notes and how to make them more useful? [16:46:43] chrismcmahon: that same problem exists for Data, so I wrote a small script that converts it from JS to XML (which Java then reads) [16:47:03] chrismcmahon: I'll talk to hashar and Krinkle, and if they think that JUnit is the best option, I'll just write another script that transforms JS into Java [16:47:05] mitevam: what are you using for your critiea for your consultant list? Can I add myself? [16:47:18] sumanah thank you [16:47:52] mitevam: I can't think of anything right now, but I will ping you if I think of something. [16:47:58] hexmode: pretty much anyone i find that seems to be active in offering a mediawiki -centered service [16:48:36] YuviPanda: I don't have any context, but it seems likely on the face of it that someday the Java code and the JS code will diverge, at which point the JS tests will become not useful. I could be wrong. [16:49:41] hexmode: you can probably add yourself even though you seem to be in close relations with WMF so I don't know how much I can help you :) but if you know of anyone else also let me know [16:49:50] chrismcmahon: I intend to not let it, but yeah, I see what you mean [16:50:05] New patchset: Aude; "Update LiquidThreads OldChangesListRecentChangesLine hook in accordance with Ib8f297b3" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43225 [16:50:08] liangent thank you for the help by the way, I realized I didn't say that [16:51:15] mitevam: I don't think you'll get (m)any results in chinese world. I tried another approach: I can find wordpress vendors with some keywords but when I replace wordpress with mediawiki, everything is gone [16:51:30] mitevam: heh... the list is big enough to start figuring out a conference or something that gets them all in one place [16:51:46] <^demon> Wow, let's never ever do that again. [16:51:54] <^demon> :) [16:52:17] ^demon: you think they would say that? or do you not want to be involved? [16:52:31] <^demon> I'm talking about what I just did. [16:52:36] <^demon> I'm saving this script, just in case. [16:52:41] <^demon> But wow, was that a silly waste of time. [16:52:46] hexmode: well there are a few conferences already no? [16:53:16] mitevam: not really about mw users per-se... unless I'm just ignorant of them [16:53:29] <^demon> hexmode: Created REL1_19 tags on all extensions (in git) based on their HEAD as of the branch point in REL1_19 (in svn). [16:53:31] <^demon> :) [16:54:01] mitevam: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/sof/3398038106.html mentions mw in the job ad ... don't know if that would be relevant to your list, but thought I'd point it out. [16:54:55] <^demon> hexmode: Hacky hacky oh so hacky: http://p.defau.lt/?tZ92B_WgFMXoJqRD8DFXiw [16:55:00] <^demon> But hey, it worked. [16:55:11] * hexmode clicks [16:55:51] hexmode I bet I am much more ignorant on anything mediawiki than you are so you are probably right :) [16:56:33] ^demon: using php for something shell is better at? you get bonus php dork points! [16:57:01] MatmaRex: interestingly I just found out that cldr contains lists of index characters for each language [16:57:01] hexmode: hey, it's ^demon. At least he didn't use Java... [16:57:07] <^demon> hexmode: I can write faster in php than bash :p [16:57:11] lol [16:57:39] <^demon> YuviPanda: True story, I wrote a script like this when we first started mirroring to github. I had been doing a bunch of java work, and I had the github api handy. [16:57:52] <^demon> So it was faster to write my tool using that silly java library than find a new library for the gh api. [16:58:21] ^demon: heh :) [16:58:39] ^demon: I think I've sortof lost my rights to make fun of Java for the most part, since I majorly write Java these days [16:58:57] MatmaRex: unfortunately its only the specific lang not other scripts so useless for first-letter purposes [16:58:57] <^demon> You keep saying Java, and I might try to get you to hack gerrit ;-) [16:59:18] ^demon: I like my CSS to be CSS, thank you very much :P [16:59:30] <^demon> Actually, gerrit's css is css. [16:59:34] <^demon> It's the javascript that's java. [16:59:38] right [16:59:40] <^demon> :) [16:59:48] I like my JS to JS (or CS) :P [17:00:06] but then again, my last coding environment was pure JS (PhoneGap) [17:00:15] and it was so horrible that I decided I'd rather write Java :P [17:00:37] <^demon> But really, "Writing JS in Java" kind of misses the point. GWT does all the black magic, so really you only have to write in Java. [17:00:45] <^demon> It's not like you're *thinking in JS* but *writing Java* [17:00:48] <^demon> It's all java :) [17:01:34] I like C. [17:01:52] ^demon: you say that like it is a good thing :P [17:01:55] Why couldn't gerrit have been written in C? [17:02:00] can anyone help me with short urls? i dont know how to to fix a broken mod rewrite [17:02:20] ^demon: I'm still hoping someone somewhere inside Google is working on replacing Java with... anything, really! for android [17:02:23] blaaahzy: Can you find one that works and then just copy it everywhere? >.> [17:02:30] blaaahzy: what do you currently have? [17:02:33] <^demon> YuviPanda: Don't hold your breath. [17:02:34] Seriously, though, while that's what I do, what's yours... yeah. [17:02:58] so i upgraded from 1.16 last night, but didnt do any mod rewrites [17:03:10] ^demon: not doing. Sadly with Oracle being appendages I guess we'll never see the newer Java features in Android :( [17:03:33] blaaahzy: glad you're upgrading! :) [17:03:36] cause im a no0b and never have, so im clueless. but what was there before is conflicting, pointing to the old directory [17:03:48] yea, it went pretty well, just this last issue now [17:04:05] blaaahzy: so what is in your .htaccess file? [17:04:16] but yea, spent 5 hours on the upgrade, should have taken minutes right? lol [17:04:20] Isarra: C is good, yeah. I miss C. [17:05:31] chrismcmahon: do you know if hashar will be around? or if he's on vacation? [17:05:48] so the problem is something like this.. the old install was in the mediawiki-1.16 folder, and had a mod rewrite to point w/ to there [17:06:04] i thinki just need to edit that to point to the new directory [17:07:16] current htacess just has the addtype to php53 [17:09:38] apparently ive got a major spam problem as well, over 500 new registrations just in the last 8 hours, and looks like hundred of pages of spam as well [17:09:39] hi #mediawiki. who called me? [17:09:41] blaaahzy: http://hexm.de/ok -- what worked for someone else [17:09:47] New review: Aaron Schulz; "Huh, I thought it had that already." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43183 [17:09:56] i thought upgrading and installing some spam plugins would help, but not yet [17:10:04] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Tiago Ferreira) [17:10:12] New patchset: Amire80; "Show the documentation elements only after loading" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43227 [17:10:32] bawolff: i'n not sure i understand? [17:11:20] Can someone help me with a template? https://gist.github.com/4503897 [17:11:37] hexmode: so now it is stuck in a redirect, i assume the old mod rewrite [17:11:55] New review: Alex Monk; "Are you going to submit this?" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43153 [17:12:07] blaaahzy: can you share the url of your wiki? [17:12:34] New review: Santhosh; "Is this same as I942db355 ?" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43227 [17:13:50] I added a comment on the gist, about the probem. [17:14:26] New review: Siebrand; "Added Niklas as review per Ori's request for sanity check." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42362 [17:16:20] MatmaRex: I basically found a list of what letters one would use as headers for an index in different langs which is similar to what you would have for headers in categories [17:16:53] But alas its not actually useful [17:17:44] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [17:18:34] ^demon: Reedy who can i poke to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43220/ ? [17:18:41] Nikerabbit: ^ [17:18:49] YuviPanda: I know hashar is back from vacation, he's been around IRC the last few days. not sure where he is now though. [17:18:57] Change merged: Mdale; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43153 [17:19:10] bawolff: yeha, but why? "only the specific lang not other scripts"? i just don't understand and i'd like to :P [17:19:13] chrismcmahon: It's 6pm-ish in France so dinner maybe? [17:19:18] aude: Looking [17:19:22] RoanKattouw: thanks [17:19:40] * aude needs a way to have a css class added for the wikidata changes [17:19:51] people will need that and we need it [17:19:59] <^demon> Mid-air collision! [17:20:01] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Add initial GuidedTour tests, with related refactoring." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43103 [17:20:22] andre__: btw were you able to talk with AnjaJ_WMDE? [17:20:28] unless someone can think of a better way than my patch [17:20:54] New review: Mattflaschen; "Updated to address Ori's comments, and added on assertion for getStep." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43103 [17:21:07] hi sumanah, yes we've been in touch :) [17:21:12] New review: Aude; "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43225/ is the change for liquid threads" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43220 [17:21:12] yes yes :) [17:21:13] ok cool :-) [17:22:07] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43220 [17:23:04] MatmaRex: for example in english it only has A-Z so if theres some non english content like arabic content it wouldn't have the first letter for the arabic words which is still desirable on an english wiki probably [17:23:13] New patchset: Reedy; "Git needs files in repo, not as local copies" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43228 [17:23:18] RoanKattouw: ^demon also https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43225/ with updates liquid threads, the only other extension i see using the hook [17:23:24] which updates [17:23:24] New patchset: Amire80; "Do not show documentation if documentation language not defined" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43179 [17:23:45] <^demon> aude: 43225 isn't really necessary--php just ignores extra parameters. [17:23:49] <^demon> But it's ok too. [17:23:54] ^demon: ah, ok [17:24:05] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43225 [17:24:21] but nice to keep things in sync [17:24:25] <^demon> :) [17:24:43] thanks :) [17:25:07] wikipedians will be happy [17:25:56] New review: Mattflaschen; "Ori, I said not to merge this before https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41808/ . It won't work agai..." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42361 [17:26:25] New patchset: Demon; "Updating extension distributor to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43229 [17:26:35] <^demon> \o/ [17:27:02] sumanah i am a little confused, what do you call the main discussion are of translatewiki.net? [17:27:31] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Talk:Main_Page ? [17:27:36] mitevam: I'm not sure! I am fairly sure there is one ..... siebrand may be able to help [17:27:50] siebrand is one of the main translatewiki.net personnel ("TWN" they call it) [17:28:41] <^demon> I know http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support is a really active page on TWN, but that's more for "This message is messed up..." kind of things. [17:30:19] siebrand hi! I am compiling a lsit of 3rd-party mediawiki users and I'm afraid that language barrier is preventing me from finding users in countries like Japan or France. I was hoping to post a message on TWN asking people to do a quick web search in their preferred language so I can comile a more comprehensive list. Would you have a suggestion where I should post it? [17:33:02] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43179 [17:33:24] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43183 [17:38:58] Should $old_id be null? [17:39:01] $dbw = wfGetDB( DB_MASTER ); [17:39:02] $old_id = $dbw->nextSequenceValue( 'text_old_id_seq' ); [17:39:11] It's null with that. [17:40:13] Null tells mysql to use next auto increment [17:40:25] Oh. [17:40:30] Okay. [17:40:53] Or at least it should [17:40:56] <^demon> I think the docs are pretty clear on this too. [17:40:58] So basically I've been going in circles for the past three days. [17:41:12] <^demon> * Returns an appropriately quoted sequence value for inserting a new row. [17:41:13] <^demon> * MySQL has autoincrement fields, so this is just NULL. But the PostgreSQL [17:41:13] <^demon> * subclass will return an integer, and save the value for insertId() [17:41:14] <^demon> * [17:41:16] <^demon> * Any implementation of this function should *not* involve reusing [17:41:18] <^demon> * sequence numbers created for rolled-back transactions. [17:41:20] <^demon> * See http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=30767 for details. [17:41:22] <^demon> * @param $seqName string [17:41:24] <^demon> * @return null [17:41:26] I need to know what the autoincrement value is. Is there any way to find this? [17:42:42] Isarra: remember about DB independence of MediaWiki please :) [17:43:02] I don't give a crap what kind of database it is. I need the old id. [17:43:45] (currval('sequence') for PostgreSQL) [17:44:21] By 'I don't give a crap', I meant it's not type-specific. [17:44:30] And it's not supposed to be. [17:44:30] * AaronSchulz wonders if TimStarling is actually up :p [17:44:50] <^demon> Isarra: Well, this isn't something you can handle in a non-type-specific way. Postgres and Mysql handle it in vastly different manners. [17:45:14] <^demon> I've no idea for Oracle, but I imagine it's closer to PG. [17:45:19] is there a way to manually set the page title of an article? [17:45:20] ^demon: Then why the hell do we even have a bloody abstraction layer? [17:45:22] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "[GuidedTour] Ignore messages for now" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43230 [17:45:44] Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43230 [17:46:01] <^demon> Isarra: You can't abstract everything. Sometimes you're just faced dealing with the fact that different databases do things differently. [17:46:09] All I want to do is what happens when a revision is created - the content is stuck in text and revision lists the old id. [17:46:56] How does it get that old id? [17:47:38] New patchset: Amire80; "Show the documentation elements only after loading" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43227 [17:48:12] <^demon> Isarra: After inserting, you call $dbw->insertId(); [17:48:18] <^demon> This gives you the row you just inserted. [17:48:56] New patchset: Amire80; "Show the documentation elements only after loading" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43227 [17:49:01] Thank you. [17:49:23] What is $dbw->commit(); for? [17:50:01] <^demon> To commit a transaction. [17:50:10] heh [17:50:35] 03(mod) Remove reader tools for editors in feedback page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43419 +comment (10Fabrice Florin) [17:50:50] Yes, I got that. Does that actually need to be there? Aren't transactions implicit? [17:51:01] "Hey, I just met you. This is crazy. Here is my data. Commit them maybe." [17:51:04] 03(mod) Current conventions for declaring schema are repetitive and could lead to collisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43818 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [17:51:32] or "Commit maybe" [17:53:27] ori-l: what's up with the uls patch? [17:54:24] 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284 +comment (10Fabrice Florin) [17:54:55] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43229 [17:55:52] 03(mod) Only the first edit to a GettingStarted page is tagged. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43798 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [17:57:53] 03(mod) Add Reim namespace to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43830 normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:57:56] 03(mod) Parameter "holds template" is incompatible on templates with "multiple" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43824 +comment (10Tiago Ferreira) [17:59:00] 03(mod) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:00:41] 03(mod) SlimboxThumbs incompatible with foreign API repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43541 +comment (10Dereckson) [18:01:39] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added wfIncrStats() for job recycling." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43232 [18:02:04] 03(mod) Selecting "back" button after navigating to an article from the Watchlist page results in an empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43645 +comment (10Jon) [18:03:42] 03(mod) SlimboxThumbs incompatible with foreign API repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43541 +comment (10Dereckson) [18:06:28] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Dispatch correct event parser by sniffing content" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43233 [18:06:35] sumanah im heading out for today talk to you tomorrow ! [18:06:43] Design. Front end design. [18:06:50] That doesn't require anything with databases, right? [18:06:55] I should do that. [18:06:59] heh [18:07:01] * Isarra hides in a tree. [18:07:17] Nikerabbit: yt? if so, can I pm? [18:08:11] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Arthur Richards) [18:08:17] New review: Dereckson; "> "exit when CREDITS cant not be found, no point in displaying a ton of uncredited persons."" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40080 [18:09:53] 03(mod) Close box on Wikipedia Zero banner is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43803 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [18:11:20] New review: Jdlrobson; "I'm not entirely sure why I was added to this patch but I can indeed confirm that this will not effe..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [18:11:43] saper: I enjoyed your "call me maybe" ref there. [18:11:59] mitevam: bye! [18:14:18] New review: Dereckson; "I tested this version." [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40080 [18:14:28] andre__: hey there, how is your Thursday? [18:14:53] guillom: I got called away by a phonecall when I wanted to polish the report oh noooooo [18:15:02] * sumanah checks whether guillom has Published it [18:15:08] sumanah: I'm about to [18:15:40] guillom: 1 more job [18:15:42] ok [18:15:44] 03(mod) Add Reim namespace to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43830 (10yoursmilie) [18:15:58] guillom: oh it is in there! never mind. ("multimedia") [18:16:06] New review: Kaldari; "Looks like I was crying wolf then. Thanks everyone for verifying that this doesn't affect mobile (wh..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43112 [18:16:24] happy publishing! [18:16:29] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "[Numbertext] Register extension" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43234 [18:16:43] Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43234 [18:16:53] platform/ops people, what's the right way to get a new php pear package added? I'm happy to put up a proposed puppet manifest change if cutting work makes it more likely to get done quickly, but I don't know if it should exec a command or roll a new .deb package with the files in it. I want Mail_Mime, and Mail if it is not allready there [18:17:49] heja sumanah, so far very productive, happy with it [18:18:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup of the property statistics code [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37656 [18:18:50] 03(NEW) UploadBase: Call to a member function getName() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43832 major; MediaWiki: Uploading; () [18:19:56] AaronSchulz: ^^ [18:19:59] Guessing that might've been you [18:20:24] no idea [18:20:35] 03(mod) UploadBase: Call to a member function getName() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43832 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [18:20:37] gonna grab a stack trace [18:20:46] where can I publish an extension while gerrit repo request is not resolved? [18:20:47] 03(mod) [Regression] E-Mail notification mail: page names with "&" come as "&" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43070 (10bsitu) [18:20:56] (please don't say github :*( ) [18:21:45] 03(mod) UploadBase: Call to a member function getName() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43832 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [18:22:16] 03(mod) UploadBase: Call to a member function getName() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43832 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [18:23:27] I can't log into my local test instance anymore, it's directing me to https which doesn't exist [18:23:42] 03(mod) LinkedPage was linked by 127.0.0.1 from this page: ChangedPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43701 (10Matthew Flaschen) [18:24:01] seems to be caused by MobileFrontend [18:24:12] 03(mod) SemanticMaps 2.1 alpha minzoom and maxzoom not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42158 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [18:25:17] 03(mod) SemanticMaps 2.1 alpha minzoom and maxzoom not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42158 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [18:25:31] New review: Bsitu; "Sounds like it's better to keep the old key 'created' than introducing the new key 'enotif_created'?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39179 [18:29:49] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43233 [18:30:27] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43198 [18:30:44] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43173 [18:30:54] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42752 [18:31:19] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks good!" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754 [18:31:19] Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754 [18:31:44] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup of the property statistics code [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37656 [18:35:24] Reedy what's the right way to get a new php pear package added? I'm happy to put up a proposed puppet manifest change if cutting work makes it more likely to get done quickly, but I don't know if it should exec a command or roll a new .deb package with the files in it. I want Mail_Mime, and Mail if it is not allready there [18:36:00] lwelling: To the cluster? [18:36:25] Reedy, yes [18:36:38] IIRC we don't use pear on the cluster [18:37:14] the installer is installed, but I did not see any other pear packages added [18:37:16] Though, we apparently install it... [18:37:17] New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "Switch SVGEdit to use the master copy from Google Code instead of a local copy." [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43238 [18:38:18] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43177 [18:38:34] lwelling: Usually, they get repackaged as debs for deployment [18:38:58] Might be better asking in #wikimedia-operations [18:39:42] ok, I can do that. thanks [18:41:21] 03(mod) Detect conflict on move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30211 +comment (10John Du Hart) [18:43:28] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update EventLogging to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43240 [18:43:30] New patchset: Mwalker; "CN/TrEx 3 -- Message Group Review & CN Namespace" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26502 [18:44:33] 03(mod) Close box on Wikipedia Zero banner is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43803 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [18:45:10] 03(mod) Opting in to beta redirects user to desktop view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43756 +comment (10Jon) [18:45:23] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update EventLogging to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43241 [18:46:27] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 (10Matt Walker) [18:47:57] New review: Kaldari; "That would involve changing over 100 lines of CSS in Vector. While I agree with the sentiment, I mus..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43117 [18:49:02] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update EventLogging extension to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43241 [18:49:15] New review: Nemo bis; "Benny, yes, please." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39179 [18:49:19] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43241 [18:50:01] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update EventLogging extension to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43240 [18:50:13] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43240 [18:50:45] 03(NEW) Bugs that should be fixed before deploying Echo to en.wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43833 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [18:52:03] 03(mod) Bugs that should be fixed before deploying Echo to en.wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43833 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:52:04] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:53:28] 03(mod) ResourceLoader serving outdated JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43805 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:53:29] 03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2114 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:53:31] 03(mod) Bugs that should be fixed before deploying Echo to en.wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43833 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:55:03] New patchset: Reedy; "Losslessly compress image" [mediawiki/extensions/ExtensionDistributor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43242 [18:57:04] 03(mod) email messages have escaped HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38940 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [19:00:09] 03(mod) No new user talk message on-wiki notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43440 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [19:02:15] 03(mod) Global (to a wiki farm or family) message delivery (thoughts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35306 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [19:04:20] when I try to create a new account (MW 1.20.0), I get: [55f77fb6] 2013-01-10 19:00:17: Fatal exception of type MWException [19:06:35] Schroeder: you have to get the backtrace for that error, then we might be able to do something [19:06:35] !debugging | Schroeder [19:06:35] Schroeder: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [19:07:22] just enable full error reporting and try to reproduce the bug [19:11:07] sucheta: Isarra valeriej|away - if you want to watch a live WMF meeting, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 YouTube stream: http://youtu.be/Bt68Yd1mt_k [19:11:13] right now and next 80 min [19:14:09] sumanah: Thanks. [19:14:30] 03(mod) api of mobile view outputs section headers with HTML differently then normal view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41546 +comment (10Jon) [19:15:55] 03(mod) commons.wikimedia.org doesn't auto-redirect to mobile site on mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43628 (10Jon) [19:17:46] 03(NEW) Enable WebFonts on English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43834 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; () [19:20:15] 03(mod) the commons "description page here" link leads to non-mobile commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43627 +comment (10Jon) [19:21:37] 03(mod) Get rid of HTML messages in MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36109 (10Jon) [19:23:03] 03(mod) Watchlist full article view truncates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43254 (10Jon) [19:24:16] Guys, I'm sorry for being such a tremendous pain in the arse. [19:24:22] 03(mod) Wrong picture linking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43539 (10Jon) [19:24:50] 03(NEW) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; () [19:27:35] New patchset: Amire80; "Improve TM suggestions display" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43246 [19:32:00] valeriej: Are you watching the meeting? [19:32:26] Isarra: Yeah. You? [19:32:28] what is he talking about? (what features?) [19:32:42] oh, they are listed. lol [19:34:03] valeriej: Alas, no... I guess I'm just wondering what's it like? Before I go panic about something else. [19:35:23] Isarra: Right now there is a presentation on Echo. They're on questions now, so I don't know what's next. [19:35:24] right now it's about Echo. [19:35:27] ah :) [19:35:48] Agh, Echo... I need to read up on that one. [19:36:02] MatmaRex: You there? Mediawiki is actively screwing with my brain [19:37:05] lol [19:37:41] Isarra: Echo is pretty cool - I've been adding it to wikis as I'm able to [19:37:47] MediaWiki is screwy enough without bugs. Bugs'll really screw with your brain. [19:37:57] varnent: Oh? [19:38:18] Isarra: Now they're presenting about editor engagement, E3. [19:38:30] Isarra: it's like WatchList on steroids IMHO [19:38:31] Isarra: I've got a form with an enumerated set of values to pick from. They're where an image goes in a quiz program I'm making [19:38:40] featuring exotic values such as Prompt, AnswerA, AnswerB, etc. [19:38:46] Who are they presenting to? What's the purpose of the meeting? [19:38:50] I just double checked in Special:Ask [19:39:07] Ulfr: o__o [19:39:08] that string properties current value is a page link to Insulin. [19:40:12] Should it be? [19:40:30] A string is just a set of charachters, a page link is a url pointing to a page [19:40:51] not only is the value not even remotely in the range of values that's acceptable, it's the wrong type of variable [19:41:05] It'd be like putting 2 + 2 in a calculator and getting Pancake back. [19:42:05] Isarra: I think they're just presenting on the progress with Echo - MediaWiki development projects do these update presentations throughout the year - basically for other developers, MediaWiki sysadmins, and Wikimedians curious about where MW software is going [19:42:06] I [19:42:32] Ah. [19:42:39] And Ulfr, uh... good luck. o__o [19:43:25] Isarra: I don't know this as a fact - but my hunch is it in response to the success of these presentations at Wikimania and the ongoing effort to improve transparency and communication between MW developers and the editors that use MW based wikis - especially enWP editors who complain often that developers intentionally leave them out of the loop - so they feel they miss opportunities to weigh in on who Wikipedia software is developing [19:43:25] ^demon: What say ye about my current situation? Because every instinct is telling me to back away slowly, quit my job, and move to someplace without internet [19:43:42] * varnent doesn't know any developers that intentionally leave anyone out of anything - but I digress [19:44:00] I leave specific folks out of things sometimes. [19:44:32] But that's just because they've demonstrated themselves to be annoying pains in the backside with nothing valuable to add... [19:44:35] * Ulfr does that all the time! [19:44:50] Ulfr: i'm sort of here, but mostly afk [19:45:06] MatmaRex: No worries, my story is above [19:45:09] Do said enwp folks actually watch these things? [19:45:10] <^demon> Ulfr: Huh? I don't follow. [19:45:37] Isarra: for awhile I think the complaints from enWP hindered some volunteer development efforts - certainly in regards to MediaWiki's usage of social media tools - there was odd pushback to things like WikiLove and the article assessment tools - but that seems to be more resolved with projects like E3 and these presentations making these changes less of a shock when they suddenly appear on enWP [19:45:48] Ulfr: is that SMW? i don't touch the stuff. :P [19:46:08] MatmaRex: I know, but I don't even [19:46:28] ^demon: I've got a semantic form with an enumerated list of strings to pick from that get assigned to a string property. [19:46:31] Ulfr: lol [19:46:37] 03(mod) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 +comment (10Omshivaprakash H L) [19:46:39] <^demon> I don't know anything about semantic forms. [19:46:39] * MatmaRex has 63 unread mails. lovely. [19:46:50] Isarra: IMHO - Echo launching on enWP will be another test of how well efforts to improve communication is doing - maybe a indicator of what groups will be upset about visual editor (although why anyone wouldn't like it I don't know - but I felt the same way about WikiLove) [19:46:54] Isarra: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 <- Links to slides on Echo. May or may not be helpful. [19:46:55] ^demon: I just used said form. The currently assigned property for that value is a url to the insulin page on my wiki [19:47:13] New patchset: Amire80; "Add 'translated' class to newly translated messages" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43250 [19:47:27] <^demon> Yeah, I have no idea....I've not done anything semantic, like ever. [19:47:54] varnent: Ooooh, that should be entertaining. [19:48:02] valeriej: Thanks. [19:48:05] 03(NEW) Captions of inline images not rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43836 normal; Parsoid: JS/General; () [19:48:07] ^demon: Okay, imagine you picked a random integer from an enumerated set and wound up with a double. [19:48:13] Because that just happened to me. [19:48:21] Isarra: I'll be selling tickets and popcorn to watch the battle at Wikimania [19:48:42] <^demon> Ulfr: I'd say you weren't sure you put integers in to begin with. [19:48:49] New patchset: Amire80; "Improve TM suggestions display" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43246 [19:49:06] <^demon> Or you're implicitly casting to a double after retrieving. [19:49:15] ^demon: Normally I'd agree with you, but the values are correct on the form [19:49:16] 03(mod) Provide a robust way of synchronously logging events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42815 summary; +comment (10Ori Livneh) [19:49:24] Isarra: given how entertaining conversations between developers and editors has been in the past - I suspect the ticket sales will make a nice contribution to WMF fundraising :) [19:49:48] And how do the developers in question feel about thise? [19:50:14] Isarra: I think it depends on the developer - but I suspect the paid staff and consultants feel a bit better about it than the volunteer developers [19:50:47] 03(mod) Provide a robust way of synchronously logging events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42815 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [19:51:35] 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729 (10Ori Livneh) [19:52:04] Isarra: I think it depends on the topic - I've been engaged in the social media argument so I can best reference that - generally the arguments against boil down to things that are either technically or factually wrong (like cross-scripting is required for social media outreach - which it is not, that doing it violates WMF tech policies - which it does not as WikiNews and others already do it, or that adding social media integration in MW makes enWP [19:52:05] another social media site - which is just not factually correct) - in those cases you just shake your head and for really important things WMF has just stepped in and said "we're doing it - get over it" - but a lot of those arguments are over more trivial things [19:52:13] varnent: Have there been volunteers working on these things? [19:52:56] Isarra: the ratio of volunteers to paid developers working on MW is such that almost everything related to MW has volunteer involved - and a handful of efforts are driven by volunteers vs. staff [19:53:47] Isarra: but in my experience by the time word reaches editors - someone somewhere has already written at least a few lines of code - and a volunteer was usually involved either as the person writing it or someone looking at it when posted to git [19:54:13] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43250 [19:55:03] Isarra: I like to say that if developers brought up the idea of adding print compatibility and links to MediaWiki (something it has had for years) - you'd get a group outraged by the very idea - so I think most volunteers accept it as par for the course in an open-source project with such an engaged and aggressive userbase [19:55:38] 03(mod) Shared global scope + implicit globals are a bad fit for wiki templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39494 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [19:55:39] 03(mod) Scribunto should support global module invocations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39610 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [19:56:14] Isarra: I am not personally aware of a staff member, consultant or volunteer that left altogether over an argument like this though - it just shifts priorities sometimes - which I actually feel is appropriate in some crazy ways [19:56:40] Isarra: I was working on a social media extension - but based on editor feedback - shifted focus elsewhere [19:57:19] 03(NEW) ExtensionDistributor tars incorrectly labelled as REL1_20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43837 minor; MediaWiki extensions: ExtensionDistributor; () [19:57:28] 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor tars incorrectly labelled as REL1_20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43837 (10Chad H.) [19:58:39] 03(mod) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [19:58:48] ^demon: hey! :) when will you (roughly) fulful new repositories requests? :) [19:59:09] <^demon> Oh whoops, I meant to handle those last night. [19:59:12] <^demon> Lemme get on that now. [19:59:17] great! [19:59:53] varnent: But we all love the aggressive userbase. [20:00:00] That is a good description, though. [20:00:07] 03(mod) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [20:00:39] I personally like the user base - but I'm not normal..so.. :) [20:01:31] * bawolff is here primarily for the annoying users :P [20:01:44] I found the userbase a wonderfully polite and welcoming change from what I was used to. [20:01:47] or at least the one's I like anyhow ;) [20:02:13] which is most of them [20:02:43] I started getting involved in enwp and it just amazed me how nice and not horribly rude or pushy or demeaning everyone was! [20:03:08] On average people are nice [20:03:09] Subsequently I was very confused at the criticisms I heard of the folks... [20:03:10] New review: Nikerabbit; "Works but the order suggestions are provided is not really a good order. Suggest sorting by quality." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43246 [20:03:17] Isarra: only until you move their login link one inch to the left. [20:03:24] MatmaRex: Duuude... [20:03:25] (no, seriously.) [20:03:29] Did you do that? [20:03:32] no [20:03:34] but it was done [20:03:35] <^demon> wizardist: Done. [20:03:38] What happened? [20:03:50] If you start reading through certain pages on wikipedia (say arbcom cases) you see that some people are also horrible ;) [20:03:51] the usual outrage and a prompt reverting [20:04:07] Isarra: you know how there are two links, login and create account? [20:04:22] and there was just one "combined" before? [20:04:22] New review: Ori.livneh; "@Spage: Ok, cool. But we need a sensible cookie expiry / removal strategy before we can deploy this." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [20:04:35] when it was uncombined, the links were in differnet order for a while [20:05:02] Oh, that did change? I thought I was imagining things. [20:05:10] chrismcmahonafk, it took a while but I'm done with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA_and_testing as QA landing page [20:05:14] yeah, it's that insignificant [20:05:30] ^demon: you're awesome. how can I make an initial push? just clone, copy files into & add, commit and review? [20:05:37] if the legacy skin removal ever land, we're going to have to look out for nuke shelter to survive [20:05:41] ever lands* [20:05:44] :D [20:06:09] :) [20:06:11] oh by the way ^demon, how is that coming along? [20:06:19] New review: Ori.livneh; "Matthias, with your permission, I'll review this and leave comments in a piecemeal fashion. I figure..." [mediawiki/extensions/DataModel] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42953 [20:07:50] <^demon> wizardist: Yep. [20:07:51] 03(mod) Some more extension to bundle with the 1.21 tarball/installer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43815 (10James Forrester) [20:08:00] <^demon> wizardist: Might need to add a .gitreview file. [20:08:12] don't forget to sacrifice a chicken at the full moon! [20:08:21] <^demon> MatmaRex: I've not looked at it recently. [20:09:03] 03(mod) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 +comment (10Omshivaprakash H L) [20:09:25] New review: Ori.livneh; "I asked Chris Steipp to review the escaping behavior for potential security issues; adding him to th..." [mediawiki/extensions/RSS] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3925 [20:09:45] ^demon: then just one quick question - wouldn't it make sense to keep Chick, or quickly write another super simple skin? [20:09:52] for purists and CSS developers alike [20:10:07] <^demon> I don't think it's worth it, no. [20:10:13] 03(mod) Implement locale-specific sorting for Polish language (patch included) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42412 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [20:10:26] Last I checked, chick rendered super differently on firefox and IE [20:10:32] and was otherwise broken [20:10:43] as i said before (and a saper did as well), there *are* active editors using skins like Standard [20:10:44] * bawolff more a fan of keeping "simple" or nostlagia [20:11:01] and while i believe the change is worth the "sacrifice" [20:11:03] MatmaRex: I even know people who do (*cough* Amgine ) [20:11:14] 03(mod) Add support for deploying per-datacenter config variances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39082 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [20:11:18] we should keep a simple skins for them [20:11:34] one that could be customized with 5 lines of CSS to your skin.css file to look more like the old ones ;) [20:11:47] bawolff: that's because chick has essentially no CSS [20:11:52] 03(mod) Implement locale-specific sorting for Polish language (patch included) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42412 (10Liangent) [20:11:57] which is good imo [20:12:13] myskin has even less :P [20:12:27] yeah well, but it's painful to look at [20:12:35] chick only includes some commonX.css files [20:12:37] <^demon> We kind of need to keep nostalgia in some manner. [20:12:43] to get things like red links etc [20:12:54] New review: Hashar; "I will need to have a close look at it." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33388 [20:13:41] MatmaRex: In chick, the sidebar is on the left side in IE6, and on the bottom in firefox [20:13:56] which more seems to indicate broken css rather then intentionally minimal css [20:14:24] Also, my copy of IE6 claims to not recognize the company who signed wikimedia's cert. Guess it really is an old browser at this point [20:14:34] bawolff: uh. seriusly? [20:14:39] it's at the bottom for me in Opera [20:14:46] Want to see a screenie? [20:15:40] ... not really. :P [20:15:51] it seems to have some ugly ie6-only styles [20:15:58] these should probably be killed [20:16:38] http://imgbin.org/images/11087.png [20:16:45] (too late, already took one) [20:17:08] bah, that looks awful [20:17:25] also ,what is that crazy setup you have there. [20:17:34] just gnome [20:17:44] albeit a 3 year old version [20:17:56] bawolff: welp, \mediawiki\core\skins\chick\IE60Fixes.css defines those styles for IE6 [20:18:09] but \mediawiki\core\skins\chick\main.css doesn't have anything similar [20:18:20] hmm, well that's kind of odd [20:18:36] ... that's all kinds of stupid, if i might say [20:18:46] * MatmaRex commits `git rm IE60Fixes.css` [20:19:01] actually [20:19:11] you might be right, let's just kill the skin, and do a similar one right [20:20:29] wait, first commit [20:20:30] "Bring back "chick" skin that missed the 1.4 skin system file (Chick.php)" [20:20:38] wow, it really is old [20:21:03] why is it even called chick [20:21:18] because its cool? [20:21:35] New patchset: Wizardist; "Initial commit" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43277 [20:21:49] * bawolff also thinks killing chick probably makes sense [20:22:42] bawolff: and now for something completely different, i'd like to poke you about what you said to me a few hours ago here :P [20:22:44] [17:23:04] MatmaRex: for example in english it only has A-Z so if theres some non english content like arabic content it wouldn't have the first letter for the arabic words which is still desirable on an english wiki probably [20:22:52] so can't we just add those letters to the root .ser file? [20:24:13] I think in some cases letters would have to be removed from that file too [20:24:51] bawolff: as far as i could see the root set is kind of conservative [20:25:11] e.g. it doesn't include "ó", which is a separte letter in Polish and just acceted "o" in Spanish [20:25:53] there's a bot flooding recentchanges... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [20:26:09] (argh, sorry for the typos, i've cut my finger earlier today and i'm having troubles typing ;) ) [20:26:11] who forgot to give it the bot flag? [20:26:21] also, its edits are not autoreviewed [20:26:43] New patchset: Wizardist; "Initial commit" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43277 [20:26:47] Vulpix: Also doesn't have a userpage, which bots always should [20:27:01] New patchset: Bsitu; "(bug 42941 ) Add $CHANGEDORCREATED back for custom template" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39179 [20:27:02] ^ I was about to say that [20:27:06] And yah, I use simple. [20:28:04] New review: Wizardist; "Initial review push" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43277 [20:28:05] Change merged: Wizardist; [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43277 [20:28:19] Vulpix: What's it even doing? O_o [20:28:31] flood [20:28:34] MatmaRex: I was looking at how the icucollation thing works a little more closely earlier today. I think its also important that all the first letters sort as different "primary" weights or the display will be messed up [20:28:42] Isarra: Its updating the extension infobox [20:28:51] to list hooks used by the extension [20:28:54] By... moving things down slightly? [20:29:06] bawolff: are you working on SwedishCollation? [20:29:11] bawolff: doesn't using language-specific collations solbe this? [20:29:29] Oh, I see. It's also adding them if they're not there. [20:29:39] wizardist: yes [20:29:54] that bot should be blocked until it gets the bot flag... [20:30:21] It would also be nice if we knew who was running it so we could scream at them. [20:30:32] Do we even know whose bot it is? And isn't there an approval process? [20:30:58] Block the bot, and you'll know who to scream at :) [20:31:05] I blocked the block [20:31:09] New review: Mattflaschen; "Krinkle, did you have a chance to look at the latest patchset?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41808 [20:31:09] I mean, what it's doing is probably fine, but the report errors link is just misleading, and... eh.. [20:31:21] bawolff: thanks [20:31:44] also, it left a lot of pending edit reviews [20:31:50] ty Bawolff [20:32:15] Sorry for taking so long. I kind of forgot I was an admin on mw.org [20:32:26] lol [20:32:28] [20:42:50] 03(mod) Disable India non-partner IP warning banner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43796 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [20:43:15] 03(mod) Proper collation support in categories for Ukrainian wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41040 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [20:47:00] 03(mod) Revise whitelist for Wikipedia Zero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43797 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [20:48:55] New review: Spage; "I actually goofed, the current code removes on the old action, thus already leaving the actions in t..." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [20:49:57] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174 [20:50:25] * bawolff is having fun reading about unicode [20:50:28] New patchset: Wizardist; "Includes $query in SkinTemplate::tabAction() if $title doesn't exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [20:55:40] New patchset: Anomie; "Allow non-English wikis to rebuild l10n cache" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43280 [20:55:51] 03(mod) Use allkeys_CLDR.txt - the CLDR tailored DUCET instead of allkeys.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30675 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [20:56:24] 03(mod) Images break text flow in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16501 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [20:58:54] 03(mod) Use embedded WebFonts to support Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43835 +i18n; +comment (10Dereckson) [20:59:07] New review: Mattflaschen; "It's currently a session cookie (expires upon browser close), which I think is fine for the initial ..." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [21:00:20] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43280 [21:00:42] New review: Ori.livneh; "I forgot that this is a session cookie, so my concerns above are moot." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [21:00:42] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43196 [21:01:07] MatmaRex: Would it be ok if I tested something on your test wiki? (I want to test to see if ₨ (U+20A8) sorts as a currency symbol, or as the latin letters "Rs" in later versions of php's intl extension) [21:03:40] 03(mod) Generate first-letters-root.ser files for different versions of the ICU library - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43802 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:04:03] bawolff: feel free to [21:04:30] i think it currently uses the 'pl' ICU collation [21:04:39] Resolved bugs: [21:04:42] Description: I'm gonna kill myself with a shovel. [21:04:55] thanks, do you mind giving me the link again [21:04:55] just ignore the spam bots, i couldn't care to add some antispam there [21:05:06] parsoid.wmflabs.org [21:05:08] arg [21:05:10] http://users.v-lo.krakow.pl/~matmarex/testwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page [21:05:39] Isarra: RESOLVED WORKSFORME - shovels work perfectly fine as far as I can tell [21:05:47] bawolff: http://users.v-lo.krakow.pl/~matmarex/testwiki/index.php?title=Kategoria:Test is a collation test [21:06:23] 03(mod) Can't run Jenkins test on drafts changes on Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43807 (10Krenair) [21:06:41] 03(mod) [REGRESSION] When attempting to add text through action=edit§ion=new on user script pages, an internal error occurs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43784 (10Andre Klapper) [21:07:30] 03(mod) Create Sanskrit Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43812 normal->15enhancement; +shell (10Andre Klapper) [21:08:38] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43306 [21:08:54] 03(mod) [REGRESSION] When attempting to add text through action=edit§ion=new on user script pages, an internal error occurs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43784 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:10:27] 03(mod) Revise whitelist for Wikipedia Zero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43797 +comment (10Dan Foy) [21:10:57] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs first-letters-root.ser to match with version of intl extension installed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43740 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:12:08] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43154 [21:14:57] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs first-letters-root.ser to match with version of intl extension installed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43740 (10Liangent) [21:16:22] 03(mod) Commons: Interface does not recognize local forms of English as English when identifying description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43822 +comment (10Krenair) [21:16:58] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Minor doc improvements." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43341 [21:17:30] 03(NEW) wikimedia-task-appserver needs updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43838 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [21:17:41] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Some code refactoring to reduce ugliness" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43342 [21:18:49] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Made NullJob support ignoring duplicates." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43343 [21:19:52] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43306 [21:20:01] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43306 [21:21:05] 03(mod) Disable India non-partner IP warning banner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43796 +comment (10Dan Foy) [21:22:40] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Minor documentation improvements." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43341 [21:23:24] ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43343/ trivial change [21:24:15] <^demon> Heh, empty(). [21:24:41] <^demon> I'm assuming 'removeDuplicates' isn't always set? [21:24:42] 03(mod) action=mobileview doesn't convert page title, section names to language variants - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41995 (10Max Semenik) [21:24:54] right [21:25:08] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43343 [21:25:17] ^demon: and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43341/ [21:25:45] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43341 [21:25:45] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Removed code for and links to unused libraries" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43345 [21:25:55] 03(mod) action=mobileview doesn't convert page title, section names to language variants - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41995 (10Jon) [21:26:36] * MatmaRex slaps ^demon around a bit with a large trout [21:26:51] not even waiting for jenkins? you cowboy ;) [21:26:59] <^demon> Actually, I did. [21:27:10] <^demon> UI quirk we hit. [21:27:22] <^demon> Actual approval is in the db, and is shown in jenkins' messages. [21:27:28] lol [21:27:29] 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43834 (10Trijnstel) [21:27:37] okay, really [21:27:49] why are we still on jenkins :( [21:27:52] argh [21:27:54] on gerrit [21:28:01] jenkins is quite lovely [21:28:08] 03(mod) MobileFrontend alpha settings don't allow going straight back to regular mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43243 (10Arthur Richards) [21:28:17] <^demon> Because nobody's found any other tools that work better. [21:28:29] <^demon> Or do everything we need. [21:28:52] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174 [21:28:57] i was re-reading gerrit evaluation recently [21:29:05] New review: Aaron Schulz; "Rebased to master." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174 [21:29:10] and it looks like gitlab there has basically 0 cons [21:29:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation#GitLab [21:29:42] 03(mod) No edit summary when image is added locally via mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43489 (10Jon) [21:29:43] <^demon> At the time, it used to not support branch-level ACLs. [21:30:39] even if it still doesn't, this looks like a pretty minor issue to me (unless operations people or someone else i don't even know about are using this heavily) [21:30:52] 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43834 +shell; +comment (10Dereckson) [21:31:32] <^demon> We use it extensively for deployments. [21:31:41] <^demon> wmf/* branches. [21:31:50] <^demon> And fundraising uses it. [21:32:09] oh, right, of course [21:32:22] sorry, that was a stupid question. [21:32:29] <^demon> No, it's a legit question :) [21:37:24] 03(mod) Allow blocking open proxies based on X-Forwarded-For header (XFF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23343 +comment (10Trijnstel) [21:43:49] 03(mod) wikimedia-task-appserver needs updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43838 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:46:43] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Make the description message more decriptive" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43350 [21:48:17] 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43834 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson) [21:50:53] New review: Wizardist; "Danke!" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43350 [21:50:53] Change merged: Wizardist; [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43350 [21:51:19] Raymond_: yo! [21:51:26] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update GettingStarted to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43352 [21:51:41] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43352 [21:56:43] wizardist: that was fast :) [21:57:53] Raymond_: I'm now messing with rebasing like in true horror games: http://data.whicdn.com/images/30662070/How-I-Play-Horror-Games_large.jpg [21:58:17] wizardist: ouch.... [21:59:00] wizardist: release notes troubles? :P [21:59:23] i'm now having troubles with everything! [21:59:26] shight... [21:59:35] haha [22:01:42] MatmaRex: Raymond_: is there any guide on leading a repo and not just submitting patches? [22:02:07] wizardist: dunno [22:02:10] * MatmaRex recently wrote https://github.com/MatmaRex/mediawikireleasenotes-driver for merging/rebasing release notes and is linking it to whoever listens [22:02:14] wizardist: none i know of [22:02:44] 03(mod) File pages broken in beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42741 +comment (10Jon) [22:03:56] MatmaRex: that looks cool [22:04:13] bawolff: it sure is :D [22:04:28] bawolff: but you know what's not cool? gerrit can't use it, since it doesn't even use regular git. :( [22:04:52] I was just about to ask if it could be used on gerrit [22:05:42] using it on gerrit was kind of why i even started looking into whether it would be possible, actually [22:05:46] but it's helpful locally as well [22:05:57] gerrit uses jgit which is a full-blown reimplementation of git in java [22:06:18] and it has its own system of merge drivers, as far as i could see, and this could *probably* be implemented in it as well [22:06:42] but i've never written a line of java code in my life [22:06:52] * bawolff doesn't have ruby installed :( [22:06:59] and getting it merged / deployed wherever necessary would probably be tons of pain [22:07:03] bawolff: apt-get install ruby [22:07:12] or preferably [22:07:23] apt-get install ruby19, and symlink "ruby" to "ruby19" in your bin. [22:07:23] New patchset: Mwalker; "(bug 43810) Deleting CN Campaign causes PHP Warn" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43355 [22:07:34] but, but... that's a whole 20 characters to type [22:07:39] Hello. [22:07:44] howdy [22:07:58] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 +comment (10Matt Walker) [22:08:07] bawolff: reimplementations in more widely-installed languages welcome :) [22:08:25] New review: Platonides; "You didn't add the other functions (you missed -a in the ammend?) as stated in the commit." [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962 [22:08:28] * bawolff just installs ruby [22:08:30] (ruby was just easiest for me to prototype in) [22:08:49] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 +comment (10Matt Walker) [22:09:18] 03(mod) DynamicSidebar Extension i18n language problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43831 +comment (10Dereckson) [22:10:25] * bawolff installed it [22:11:14] MatmaRex: Java does have a facility to start external programs (like for example ruby), although that would be kind of hacky [22:11:38] 03(NEW) New component: MediaWiki extensions > DynamicSidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43839 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [22:11:52] 03(mod) New component: MediaWiki extensions > DynamicSidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43839 +comment (10Dereckson) [22:11:58] * bawolff is currently reading http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/ which has an entire section on index headers (5.6) [22:12:18] bawolff: it's not that easy [22:12:33] that's sad [22:12:40] bawolff: when i said "complete reimplementation", i actually meant "hundreds upon hundreds of classes inheriting from each other" [22:13:26] bawolff: relevant links: [22:13:31] let me guess, in typical java fashion where each class is in some/insanely/long/path/of/directories/that/goes/on/and/on so you're looking all over the blody place to find where the code is actually implemented [22:13:42] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Valerie Juarez) [22:13:56] bawolff: http://download.eclipse.org/jgit/docs/latest/apidocs/org/eclipse/jgit/api/MergeCommand.html#setStrategy(org.eclipse.jgit.merge.MergeStrategy) - this seems to be the main docs for merge command, and the method used to set strategies [22:14:14] bawolff: and http://download.eclipse.org/jgit/docs/latest/apidocs/org/eclipse/jgit/merge/package-tree.html - class tree for the strategies themselves [22:14:28] i saw the urls and didn't even try to look at the code, to be honest. :P [22:15:25] bawolff: it seems quite doable, provided you have some java experience and a few hours to kill [22:15:32] bawolff: i have neither of these things :) [22:15:40] 03(mod) Upload from Flickr only fetches the first 50 items of a set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42979 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [22:15:44] * bawolff has java experiance [22:16:14] probably the biggest hurdle would be setting up the entire gerrit stack to test if what you code up actually works [22:16:18] maybe I'll look into at some point [22:16:27] yeah, that does not sound fun [22:17:39] 03(mod) commons.wikimedia.org doesn't auto-redirect to mobile site on mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43628 +comment (10MZMcBride) [22:19:13] bawolff: if you want a little repo to test if (how) this works: http://pastebin.com/zjPb42Pv [22:19:51] bawolff: follow those commands with `git merge firstbranch` and `git merge secondbranch` and see what happens [22:20:03] * bawolff can't even figure out how to download this jgit thing [22:20:28] * bawolff hates java [22:22:43] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10MZMcBride) [22:25:21] New review: Siebrand; "Karen, you are probably able to merge." [mediawiki/extensions/BiblioPlus] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41914 [22:28:21] 03(mod) On wikidata.org, api login returns wrong lgtoken (object replacement character) in response body; correct in HTTP header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:29:17] 03(mod) Add transclusion count to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41365 +comment (10MZMcBride) [22:30:22] 03(mod) Provide link to exportable data (CSV) from Wikimedia Report Card - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39121 +comment (10Dan Andreescu) [22:32:58] 03(mod) Add read-only mode to Wikimedia Report Card - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35597 +comment (10Dan Andreescu) [22:33:28] 03(mod) Zoom is buggy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35724 +comment (10Dan Andreescu) [22:34:36] 03(NEW) Echo should support user subscriptions to feeds (for newsletters and publications such as The Wikipedia Signpost) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43840 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [22:34:40] New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Use recommended practice for page names in i18n messages." [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43357 [22:35:54] 03(mod) commons.wikimedia.org doesn't auto-redirect to mobile site on mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43628 +comment (10Jon) [22:36:06] 03(mod) Global (to a wiki farm or family) message delivery (thoughts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35306 +comment (10MZMcBride) [22:38:06] 03(mod) Add Reim namespace to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43830 +comment (10Dereckson) [22:41:18] 03(mod) Add Reim namespace to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43830 +patch-in-gerrit +shell; +comment (10Dereckson) [22:42:59] 03(mod) Show MediaWiki message documentation on wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17715 +comment (10Siebrand) [22:44:17] any idea why this special page is showing the cats like this: wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:WantedCategories [22:45:05] seems to be after upgrading to 1.20.2 [22:45:12] Looks like bad encoding [22:45:46] yes, seems so, but i'm not sure if it's a mediawiki bad encoding, or some js feature, i'm not familiar with that wiki [22:45:57] it's not a feature [22:46:16] !encoding [22:46:28] * Reedy kicks wm-bot [22:47:03] Related to your database/database connection most likely [22:47:45] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDBmysql5 [22:49:27] New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 43820) Content also needed for prop=revisions&rvdiffto=" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43361 [22:49:54] ok, i'll pass them the info. thanks [22:53:49] 03(mod) Add link to source code next to MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43806 +comment (10MZMcBride) [22:54:57] 03(mod) Drop the term "autoconfirmed" from user interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43302 +comment (10Platonides) [22:55:39] 03(mod) PHP Warning in SpecialCentralNotice.php:156: array_diff_assoc(): Argument #1 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43810 +comment (10Dereckson) [22:56:09] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [22:59:15] 03(mod) Enable SearchExtraNs extension on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43329 +comment (10Dereckson) [23:02:26] New review: Tychay; "I'm done with hazing Parent5446 with this changeset. :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127 [23:02:46] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to tip of production branch" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43363 [23:03:02] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43363 [23:03:18] New review: Anomie; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43361 [23:03:56] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [23:11:04] Change merged: Anomie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43361 [23:15:46] 03(mod) Getting diffs from API is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43820 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [23:16:14] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update ZeroRatedMobileAccess to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43366 [23:18:58] New patchset: Mwalker; "(bug 43810) Deleting CN Campaign causes PHP Warn" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43355 [23:19:25] New review: Mwalker; "PS2 is a whitespace commit" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43355 [23:19:43] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update ZeroRatedMobilAccess to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43367 [23:22:46] New review: Matmarex; "+/-0." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43118 [23:24:45] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update ZeroRatedMobileAccess to master!" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43366 [23:25:12] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43366 [23:26:40] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update ZeroRatedMobilAccess to master!" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43367 [23:26:56] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43367 [23:34:52] 03(mod) Selecting "back" button after navigating to an article from the Watchlist page results in an empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43645 +comment (10Maryana Pinchuk) [23:35:59] 03(NEW) Make link inspector aware of annotations, rather than just target strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43841 normal; VisualEditor: User Interface; () [23:36:00] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39159 [23:37:10] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 43841) Major ve.ui rewrite, especially ve.ui.LinkInspector" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43028 [23:37:15] 03(mod) Make link inspector aware of annotations, rather than just target strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43841 (10James Forrester) [23:37:15] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Suppress "Web link" section in link inspector suggestion list if a wiki page link already exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43063 (10James Forrester) [23:37:22] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to tip of production branch" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43371 [23:38:58] New patchset: Brian Wolff; "Initial commit. See bug 29788 for context. Extension by Lejonel." [mediawiki/extensions/SwedishCollation] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43372 [23:39:55] New review: Matmarex; "Encodings mishap in release notes." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127 [23:40:02] TimStarling: ping [23:40:16] hello [23:40:19] hi Tim! [23:40:35] we have been discussing the next steps for Parsoid based on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/RFC:_Longer-term_plan [23:40:51] 03(mod) Make link inspector aware of annotations, rather than just target strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43841 +comment (10James Forrester) [23:41:25] TimStarling: if possible I'd like to ask you to give that a sanity check [23:41:29] New patchset: Matmarex; "Added account creation API." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127 [23:41:50] TimStarling: could schedule a meeting to discuss it [23:42:06] New review: Matmarex; "PS27: fixed encoding issue as described in comment on PS26." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127 [23:42:16] 03(mod) Swedish-language wikis should use Swedish-locale sorting (ie. ��� should sort correctly) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29788 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [23:42:17] I'm available any time I'm on IRC [23:42:19] 03(mod) Extensions awaiting code review to be deployed on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31235 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [23:45:18] I'm reading it [23:46:15] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Valerie Juarez) [23:46:17] TimStarling: thanks! [23:46:36] New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to tip of production branch" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43373 [23:46:49] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43373 [23:48:00] how fast is parsoid at the moment? [23:48:26] TimStarling: in rt testing at full tilt we get about 80k articles per 24 hours [23:48:39] on 36 cores, which are used about 50% [23:48:59] individual article render times are similar to those of the PHP parser [23:49:13] without optimizations so far [23:50:01] it is parallel, right? so is the wall clock time similar to PHP, or the number of CPU-hours? [23:50:02] 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759 +comment (10billinghurst) [23:50:32] TimStarling: Parsoid is async but single-threaded, so CPU time is close to wall time [23:50:39] right [23:50:53] it uses async / parallel API requests though [23:50:58] and gets parallelism that way [23:51:35] for template expansions? [23:51:51] when configured to use the PHP preprocessor, it currently performs a single API request per template transclusion [23:52:06] same for tag extensions [23:52:12] 03(NEW) Diff view renders strangely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43842 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); () [23:52:24] that is not ideal [23:52:30] there is a lot of startup overhead [23:52:32] yeah, we'd add batching [23:52:37] New patchset: Matmarex; "adjust release note about I45b077cf" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43374 [23:52:40] can somebody merge this for me real quick? it simply moves one line in release-notes to a different section ^ [23:53:03] anyway, the reason I ask is because a lot of the future development work on this plan is performance work [23:53:14] so I'm just getting a feel for how much performance work is needed [23:53:25] New patchset: Parent5446; "Added account creation API." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127 [23:53:25] TimStarling: the performance idea is to avoid re-rendering a lot of things [23:53:44] the DOM gives us a lot of information that we can use to do so [23:53:58] New review: Matmarex; "See inline." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31504 [23:54:01] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43374 [23:54:28] the HTML we currently emit and that we'd also store is fully expanded [23:55:00] thanks ori-l [23:55:01] re-expanding a template could still reuse the expansions of other unmodified templates [23:55:15] (that's the refreshLinks use case) [23:55:22] MatmaRex: np! [23:55:24] a similar optimization can be applied to regular wikitext-based editing [23:56:03] basically reparse only the edited paragraph or top-level block [23:57:17] are template expansion API calls memoized? [23:57:39] or cached in some other way? [23:57:51] TimStarling: the HTML would contain the full expansion, so yes [23:58:10] along with metadata that makes it possible to re-perform the expansion [23:58:25] I mean, if an article has 1000 instances of {{.}}, how many API calls to MW will parsoid do? [23:58:52] ah, it memoizes calls with identical parameters [23:59:12] that will make a big difference [23:59:12] (this is with PHP preprocessor enabled) [23:59:14] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup of the property statistics code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37656 [23:59:37] How identical? [23:59:45] and disabling the PHP preprocessor is not on your roadmap