[00:08:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[ExternalStore] Various cleanups to ExternalStore class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45078
[00:11:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Brent Garber; "Include Postgres tables and maintenance scripts for Change I23c47c2c" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45079
[00:15:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Brent Garber; "Include Postgres tables and maintenance scripts for Change I23c47c2c" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45079
[00:39:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41805) Show PostEdit on edited page only." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45082
[00:54:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 44181) Add Echo notification for instance deletions" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44948
[00:58:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Add README" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45083
[00:59:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Wizardist; [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45083
[00:59:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Implement custom target for Wiktionary, partial redesign" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44335
[01:05:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Terrrydactyl; "Added git cloning functionality." [mediawiki/extensions/Git2Pages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45084
[01:05:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Implement custom target for Wiktionary, partial redesign" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44335
[01:13:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 44181) Add Echo notification for instance deletions" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44948
[01:45:14] <edgard_>	 do you guys know what this erros means? "Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/wikirio/public_html/LocalSettingsEN.php:1) in /home/wikirio/public_html/includes/WebResponse.php on line 16"
[01:51:17] <neverendingo>	 edgard_: that usually means some unnecessary whitespace between header and output
[01:52:27] <neverendingo>	 e.g. happens when you have a php closing tag and whitespace after
[01:59:26] <edgard_>	 something to do with my localsettings
[02:06:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Use better variable name in CoreParserFunctions::pagesize()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44705
[02:08:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "in favor of new patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45079/" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27939
[02:10:46] <OverlordQ>	 OT, but is there a way to *not* get an email for every person added/asked to do a CR
[02:11:01] <Susan>	 I don't think that's OT.
[02:11:05] <Susan>	 You mean Gerrit e-mail?
[02:11:34] <Susan>	 OverlordQ: ^
[02:11:37] <OverlordQ>	 yes
[02:11:44] <Susan>	 Gerrit may have user prefs support.
[02:11:55] <OverlordQ>	 I looked but didn't see anything under profile
[02:12:06] <OverlordQ>	 and/or settings
[02:12:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "So there is no way to have comments on the subclass function and keep anything from the parent with ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40308
[02:13:11] <terrrydactyl>	 i don
[02:13:11] <terrrydactyl>	 y
[02:13:19] <terrrydactyl>	 i don't see anything either.
[02:13:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44957
[02:13:53] <aude>	 filter -> trash ?
[02:14:21] <aude>	 easy enough to never see them if desired
[02:15:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44705
[02:17:51] <OverlordQ>	 aude: unfortunately there's no unique header or subject line for that
[02:18:08] <OverlordQ>	 afaik
[02:21:50] <edgard_>	 do you guys know what this erros means? "Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/wikirio/public_html/LocalSettingsEN.php:1) in /home/wikirio/public_html/includes/WebResponse.php on line 16"
[02:23:47] <OverlordQ>	 do you have a ?> at the end of the file?
[02:25:48] <OverlordQ>	 LocalSettingsEN.php that is
[02:27:35] <aude>	 OverlordQ: "I'd like you to do a code review." finds all of them for me
[02:27:53] <aude>	 or "Aude, I'd like...."
[02:28:37] <OverlordQ>	 eh, I was just worried about false positives
[02:29:12] <OverlordQ>	 but I guess since I'm dling the full mail and not just the headers, grep'ing the body isn't that bad
[02:29:25] <Susan>	 OverlordQ: You can remove yourself from being a reviewer, couldn't you?
[02:29:53] <Susan>	 Doesn't that de-CC you?
[02:30:27] <OverlordQ>	 well it's my changeset so I'd probably get it regardless, not sure what de-reviewering myself would do.
[02:30:50] <Susan>	 Ah.
[02:30:55] <Susan>	 You don't want mail about your own changeset?
[02:31:01] <Susan>	 Something seems broken there.
[02:31:37] <OverlordQ>	 No, it's when somebody goes though and asks 5-6 people to review it, I'll get 1 email for each of those requests for review
[02:32:08] <aude>	 ah, hmm....
[02:33:40] <edgard_>	 over, i dont, but never did. thats actually optonal
[02:35:19] <edgard_>	 over, i had my backedup localsetting restored
[02:35:24] <edgard_>	 over, and nothing
[02:40:30] <terrrydactyl>	 edgard_: did you make sure there's no whitespace after the last line of code?
[02:41:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41323) Expand activation area of PostEdit close btn" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45085
[02:41:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41805) Show PostEdit on edited page only." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45082
[02:43:50] <edgard_>	 terry, yes
[02:44:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change restored: Ori.livneh; "I think this was basically correct; re-examining." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31733
[02:44:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41231) Fix position and size of container" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31733
[02:46:04] <terrrydactyl>	 hm, do you know what was the last thing you did to cause this error?
[02:50:40] <edgard_>	 edited localhostPT.ini
[02:51:00] <edgard_>	 ops; LocalSettingsPT.ini
[02:56:25] <terrrydactyl>	 you mean LocalSettings.php?
[02:56:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "Gerrit won't let me submit my comments on Patch Set 1, but I see them on the left.  I'll submit this..." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45082
[02:59:35] <terrrydactyl>	 there's probably something wrong with LocalSettingsEN.php, but i'm not sure what
[03:00:06] <terrrydactyl>	 it's probably related to the edits that you made
[03:01:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "(Repeating my lost cover message from Patch Set 1:)" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master); V: 1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45082
[03:04:47] <edgard_>	 terry, figure out
[03:04:56] <edgard_>	 terry, a tip from a dude over the internet
[03:05:17] <terrrydactyl>	 edgard_: that's great! sometimes just a quick google search will help. :)
[03:05:27] <edgard_>	 terry, he created a new ini file on notepad. copied from the old one to the new one. and uploaded
[03:05:31] <edgard_>	 terry, worked for me
[03:05:51] <edgard_>	 terry, thanks for the effort. u're great
[03:06:49] <terrrydactyl>	 sorry i wasn't able to help you directly, i'm still new to mediawiki. but definitely come back if you have other questions!
[03:10:05] <edgard_>	 i had this problem before, but was related to an extension
[03:10:43] <edgard_>	 i had to disable all of them and enable one at a time
[03:11:10] <edgard_>	 i'm not new, but i dont know everything... :) meet my wiki sometime... www.wikirio.com.br
[03:11:19] <edgard_>	 from rio de janeiro, brazil
[03:11:33] <edgard_>	 good nite, sir
[03:11:36] <edgard_>	 on my way!
[03:12:36] <terrrydactyl>	 edgard_: your wiki looks really cool. :) too bad i don't speak Portuguese.
[03:13:25] <edgard_>	 we'll have an english version on wikirio.com  ... just  draft there, though
[07:04:45] <freakolowsky>	 lo
[07:52:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 44234) Fix Special:UnusedProperties Undefined property notice" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45095
[08:05:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Major clean-up to make use of .jshintignore/.jshintrc" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44988
[10:03:31] <harshkot_>	 sucheta: ping
[10:50:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44990
[11:28:39] <ganimedes>	 hi
[11:29:11] <ganimedes>	 someone told me a time ago it was possible to erase accounts with no contrib
[11:29:17] <ganimedes>	 from a wiki
[11:52:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45095
[12:00:35] <hashar>	 !gitweb mediawiki/tools/codesniffer
[12:00:35] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/tools/codesniffer.git
[12:17:42] <yurik>	 MaxSem: ping
[12:18:17] <yurik>	 MaxSem: is your geodata ext working ok?
[12:18:28] <yurik>	 api seems to show some errors with it
[12:20:26] <natbrown>	 Good morning. My site isn't working. It gives me shows the following error message during the execution:  munmap(0xb780f000, 4096) = 0 time(NULL) = 1358856115 write(1, "<!doctype html>\n<html><head><tit"..., 301<!doctype html> <html><head><title>Internal error</title></head><body> <div class="errorbox">[ec4708aa] 2013-01-22 12:01:55: Fatal exception of type MWException</div> <!-- Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom 
[12:20:58] <natbrown>	 What can I do?
[12:21:10] <^demon>	 natbrown: Did you try setting $wgShowExceptionDetails to true in LocalSettings?
[12:21:15] <Platonides>	 set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php
[12:21:15] <^demon>	 That should give you a full stack trace.
[12:21:23] <Platonides>	 and see what is the detailed error
[12:21:38] <natbrown>	 Thanks, give me a sec
[12:24:50] <hashar>	 gerrit-wm: hi
[12:24:53] <hashar>	 it is there
[12:25:18] <project2501b>	 hey guys
[12:25:18] <Platonides>	 doesn't seem banned
[12:25:19] <natbrown>	 Demon:Where do I look for the error? The site doesn't show a thing.
[12:25:32] <Platonides>	 natbrown, edit LocalSettings.php
[12:25:35] <Platonides>	 add that line
[12:25:43] <natbrown>	 I did.
[12:25:48] <Platonides>	 and do whatever that you get to get such message
[12:25:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45123
[12:25:56] <Platonides>	 hmm... you were stracing?
[12:26:00] <hashar>	 ^demon: my hero
[12:26:11] <Platonides>	 still, you should be getting the error in your php error log
[12:26:15] <natbrown>	 Where do I find the message?
[12:26:50] <Platonides>	 not quieted either
[12:27:00] <saper>	 natbrown: hello :)
[12:27:19] <natbrown>	 Hi :(
[12:27:39] <Platonides>	 !errorlog
[12:27:39] <wm-bot>	 To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[12:27:42] <natbrown>	 I don't think that I can do this site. 
[12:28:05] <saper>	 !debuglog
[12:28:16] <saper>	 !debug
[12:28:16] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[12:32:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "I still don't know how to get the page creator from that table, could you point more specifically pl..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42396
[12:33:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "abondoned as we instead want the curator tool be displayed to the user, but only the 'next' button b..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42394
[12:35:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "See inline comments." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44005
[12:37:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Repeating my +1 for i18n/L10n." [mediawiki/extensions/GettingStarted] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43982
[12:42:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "One inline comment. You also should add new messages to messages.inc. See http://www.mediawiki.org/w..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43166
[12:54:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "I somehow overlooked this (or was just recently added as a reviewer). It seems that this cannot be m..." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38314
[12:56:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "Aww, sorry, I was busy at first, then forgot about this, and now I'm busy again. If you want me to, ..." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20007
[12:58:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "image rotate api" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44005
[12:59:27] <natbrown>	 I see all kind of mistakes, all the extentions used to work :( http://wikitranslate.org/wiki/Main_Page 
[13:00:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "APIv2: module manager and help rewrite" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[13:03:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Did you figure out what the unexpected value that makes the old check fail is?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45088
[13:03:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "(bug 44237) replace gM() with mw.msg()" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45124
[13:04:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "cleanup i18n messages" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38314
[13:07:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Allow special pages as context for abuse filter." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45001
[13:09:24] <MaxSem>	 yurik, back
[13:09:33] <yurik>	 hi MaxSem 
[13:09:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Allow special pages as context for abuse filter." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45001
[13:10:07] <yurik>	 MaxSem: i'm getting stacktraces in the api.php with geo ext enabled
[13:10:13] <yurik>	 is that what you see?
[13:11:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "APIv2: module manager and help rewrite" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[13:11:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Followup I6cddbdc6: Use protocol relative for creativecommons.org" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45125
[13:11:22] <MaxSem>	 yurik, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=geosearch&format=json&gscoord=51.507222%7C-0.1275&gsradius=10000&gslimit=100
[13:11:28] <MaxSem>	 WFM
[13:18:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Looks fine... the only thing that could cause trouble over here is the hook, but I'm not aware of an..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45001
[13:18:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45001
[13:26:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Nice." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38314
[13:26:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45125
[13:45:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "@since" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[13:49:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "Yes took me some time though, it is an empty string getting converted to true. I wonder why mysql di..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45088
[14:02:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Update Firefox to version 18" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45130
[14:05:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "overhaul the whole ruleset" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45131
[14:13:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "Move <warnings> and <query-continue> to result's top and optimize" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44569
[14:14:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@Nikerabbit setting $parserOutput->foobar directly is exactly what I was trying to avoid. It's so......" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[14:18:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I tend to agree with Daniel here, this is a better way than the ugly present habit of doing this." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[14:22:46] <kriliongd>	 Help - I have been looking for days and can not seem to find where how to change the style of Headings H2-H6 in monobook.. any one know or perhaps help?
[14:24:23] <kriliongd>	 anybody?
[14:24:57] <Nemo_bis>	 kriliongd: style in what sense?
[14:25:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "There is an advantage of having different parameters for the form and navigation links: you know fro..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41215
[14:26:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "overhaul the whole ruleset" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45131
[14:26:20] <kriliongd>	 the === === heading is Bolded, I'd like to remove the bold from it..  It also looks larger than heading == ==, which I'd like to change.. == should be bigger than ===
[14:27:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "PS2: disable Generic.Formatting.MultipleStatementAlignment.NotSameWarning by setting its severity to 0." [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45131
[14:27:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45131
[14:27:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "INCOMPLETE! API PageSet allows generator for non-query modules" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44087
[14:27:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "APIv2: module manager and help rewrite" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[14:27:57] <Aciid>	 Hey, where do I set the list of languages with Translate extension
[14:28:12] <Nikerabbit>	 Aciid: for what target?
[14:29:51] <Aciid>	 Nikerabbit: version 1.20.2 , running Translate from trunk
[14:30:04] <Aciid>	 the documentation is just plain confusing
[14:30:20] <Aciid>	 theres no array of languages to enable which I thought there would be
[14:30:50] <Aciid>	 let me extend the scope, "What is the best practice to enable multi-language functionality for the wiki"
[14:31:19] <Nikerabbit>	 Aciid: Translate extension most probably...
[14:31:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "I hate nitpicking spacing, but it's good to be consistent. The main concerns are the non-spacing com..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[14:31:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Default Rake task did not have description." [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45133
[14:31:40] <str4nd>	 Oh, hey Aciid :)
[14:31:44] <Nikerabbit>	 Aciid: by default it just enables all 200+ languages, you have to be more specific what you want
[14:32:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "PS13 undid most of the changes from PS11, and just rebased PS10 instead?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[14:32:11] <Aciid>	 Nikerabbit: oh :D
[14:34:46] <harshkothari>	 kriliongd: You are using wikieditor?
[14:35:05] <Nikerabbit>	 Aciid: multa voi kysyä myös suomeksi privassa
[14:35:32] <kriliongd>	 yes I am..
[14:35:33] <yurik>	 hi, fighting gerrit question: i did a git-review on a patch, submitted #12, and  later it resubmitted with the older version #11 as #13. How do I revert gerrit to patch #12 as #14?
[14:36:27] <^demon>	 Cherry pick patch set 12, then push it as the new patchset?
[14:37:17] <yurik>	 ^demon: should i cherrypick into master?
[14:37:34] <^demon>	 You can. Branch doesn't really matter.
[14:37:38] <yurik>	 because i tried git review -d NNN, and cherrypick, and it gave me tons of conflicts
[14:38:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "[WikivoteMapsYandex] Register extension" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45136
[14:38:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change restored: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44039
[14:38:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins job validation (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44039
[14:38:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45136
[14:38:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "grr wmf" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44039
[14:39:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800
[14:39:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Design improvements to sites code" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43998
[14:40:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "API module manager and help rewrite" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[14:40:49] <yurik>	 ^demon: thanks, worked when doing it off a new branch from master
[14:41:05] * yurik  is slowly joining the gerrit haters club

[14:43:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "remove Pear.Functions.ValidDefaultValue" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45137
[14:44:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45137
[14:45:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800
[14:45:45] * Nikerabbit  creates bunny lovers club for balance

[14:46:55] <^demon>	 Nikerabbit: Can I join your club?
[14:48:07] <Nikerabbit>	 ^demon: it's open to all
[14:48:36] <^demon>	 I always wanted a bunny rabbit.
[14:51:00] <Nikerabbit>	 anyone familiar with approved revs?
[14:51:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "See comments on PS12, which this is identical to." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[14:52:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38800
[14:53:56] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: I think it fits the requirements for a [[mw:Group]], are you going to open subscriptions?
[14:54:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: and do you mean the "validated" status?
[14:54:34] <Nikerabbit>	 Nemo_bis: with the purpose being restore the zen balance for mediawiki developers?
[14:55:15] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: you don't seem to need suggestions
[14:55:16] <Nemo_bis>	 thingles: hello
[14:56:46] <GeoPlace-Tom>	 Hello, I'm trying to get LDAP working on the latest mediawiki, anonymous binding is off on the AD, but I have an ldapsearch query that works using a specific searching user. Problem is I can't seem to make the leap from the ldapsearch query to the right config for the LDAP extnesion
[15:00:50] <GeoPlace-Tom>	 I just get the feeling I'm tying myself up in knots
[15:01:01] <^demon>	 GeoPlace-Tom: You'll want to ask Ryan_Lane when he's around (he's probably not on yet)
[15:01:26] <GeoPlace-Tom>	 ^demon: He's the extneion's author isn't he?
[15:01:36] <^demon>	 Yep, and our resident ldap guru.
[15:01:56] <GeoPlace-Tom>	 I'll /msg him, thanks
[15:02:35] <thingles>	 Nemo_bis: hey there!
[15:03:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "removes NoSpaceAfterCast" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:03:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:04:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "I think we actually use the former more often. I don't think the coding conventions mention it however." [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:05:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Yeah should have asked for review probably :-]  We can fix that later on I guess" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:05:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "INCOMPLETE! API PageSet allows generator for non-query modules" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44087
[15:06:01] <hashar>	 ^demon: and I thought we loved spaces everywhere :-)
[15:06:49] <^demon>	 I think we generally do (int)$foo, not (int) $foo.
[15:07:05] <hashar>	 let me find out
[15:08:12] <hashar>	  phpcsmw --sniffs=Generic.Formatting.NoSpaceAfterCast,Generic.Formatting.SpaceAfterCast -v .
[15:08:22] <hashar>	 will ask phpcs to find out both usages and report an error for each
[15:09:50] <hashar>	 phpcs 1.3.x was not able to parse the full mediawiki code base
[15:09:53] <hashar>	 it took too much memory
[15:10:01] <hashar>	 looks like they optimize men usage in v1.4.x 
[15:10:27] <hashar>	 men -> memory
[15:11:31] <^demon>	 What is phpcsmw?
[15:13:23] <^demon>	 I'm assuming it's a wrapper for phpcs, but I want to use your same params :p
[15:14:46] * SickPanda  submits request to sonatype for first maven repo. yay

[15:16:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Lets actually run both checks on includes/ and find out:" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Checked mediawiki/core includes directory for the presence of a space after a casting instruction. The command used was:" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[15:18:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "This change has been reverted by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45140
[15:19:31] <hashar>	 ^demon: yup sorry phpcsmw is indeed a wrapper https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/PHP_CodeSniffer#installing
[15:19:38] <hashar>	 ^demon: you will want to clone the MediaWiki standard at  ssh://gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/tools/codesniffer.git
[15:19:47] <hashar>	 ^demon: the alias  points --standard= to it
[15:20:26] <hashar>	 alias phpcsmw='phpcs --standard=/path/to/mediawiki/tools/codesniffer/MediaWiki'
[15:22:13] <^demon>	 Got it.
[15:28:52] <hashar>	 sent email to wikitech
[15:29:09] <^demon>	 hashar: http://p.defau.lt/?8r1d1My16rbe_FPYPCwhvg
[15:30:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "no space after cast instruction" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[15:30:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "rephrased commit summary" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[15:31:07] <hashar>	 ^demon: so if you pass  -s  you will get the name of the rule 
[15:31:07] <valeriej>	 qgil: I am having trouble joining this Engineering Community Team meeting. It says I'm not allowed to join the hangout.
[15:31:25] <hashar>	 ^demon: and --report-summary reports the number of errors per rule 
[15:31:29] <hashar>	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45142/
[15:32:01] <andre__>	 hi valeriej, did you try the calendar invite?
[15:32:45] <valeriej>	 andre__: Yes
[15:33:18] <valeriej>	 andre__: I'm brought to the hangout and I click 'Join' and it says I'm not allowed to join.
[15:36:32] <mitevam>	 google keeps saying "connectivity issue" for me but I am trying to join as well 
[15:37:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44087
[15:38:03] <mitevam>	 valeriej: were you able to join? 
[15:38:37] <valeriej>	 mitevam: Yes, and I see you sign in and off. 
[15:39:09] <valeriej>	 mitevam: Are you getting the same problem I am?
[15:39:25] <mitevam>	 it keeps telling me "no supported candidates, connection error code:24" and it restarts the connection 
[15:39:53] <mitevam>	 valeriej: see above :) 
[15:40:21] <valeriej>	 mitevam: I see. I'll ask if they know what you can do.
[15:59:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44087
[16:00:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of SMWExpElement classes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[16:00:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added SMWExpElementTest" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45146
[16:03:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "so yeah hmm, no auto merge here :/" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master); V: 2 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[16:03:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[16:04:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Deployed on gallium by using git pull under /var/lib/jenkins/tools/codesniffer" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45142
[16:05:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Avoid fatal error for non-text content." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45148
[16:06:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 38534) Add LQT status to action=info" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26970
[16:13:03] <yurik>	 MaxSem: found that bug - in GeoData.php line 18 - you capitalize DB, whereas on line 57 you only capitalize first letter
[16:14:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Demon; "(bug 18010) Remove .php5 files from MediaWiki" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35171
[16:15:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 44243) Avoid fatal error for non-text content." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45148
[16:18:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "Geo API fixed capitalization" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45151
[16:19:33] <yurik>	 MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45151/
[16:19:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "I'd rather see it the other way per precendents like wfGetDB() and $wgDBname" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45151
[16:19:45] <MaxSem>	 ;)
[16:20:24] <yurik>	 MaxSem: better merge it soon - or else it will break once https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41198/ is merged :D
[16:20:26] <sumanah>	 hi yurik 
[16:20:30] <yurik>	 hi sumanah !
[16:20:42] <yurik>	 saw your email re OS
[16:20:42] <sumanah>	 yurik: did you see my note about http://osconfny.herokuapp.com/ ?
[16:20:45] <sumanah>	 :-)
[16:20:51] <yurik>	 hehe
[16:21:16] <yurik>	 i could, in theory, do a small presentation about OS usage at our hedgefund
[16:21:23] <yurik>	 wouldn't be MW though
[16:21:50] <sumanah>	 yurik: NYC Open Tech conference doesn't require that the relevant FLOSS usage/creation be MediaWiki :-)
[16:22:44] <sumanah>	 mitevam: so, about bug triage https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/How_to_triage --  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Meeting_preparations -- you are specifically curious about "bug days"
[16:22:50] <sumanah>	 like all names, this is a simplification
[16:23:25] <sumanah>	 yurik: why not submit a talk to NYC Open Tech about OS usage :-) worst that could happen is they'll turn you down nicely (I know one of the organizers, she is courteous)
[16:23:43] <yurik>	 ok, will send them my proposal :)
[16:24:11] <yurik>	 do they want a tech talk though? or very wishy washy nothing specific one?
[16:24:27] <sumanah>	 mitevam: a "bug day" or a "triage meeting" is one where the organizers of the meeting get a list of bugs and get volunteers to help prioritize them, see whether they are still reproducible, investigate them, and do similar things to improve our information about those bugs in BZ
[16:24:33] <sumanah>	 yurik: you could offer both
[16:24:43] <sumanah>	 yurik: see what they prefer; it's a single-track conference in case that affects what you propose
[16:25:11] <yurik>	 ok, will try to come up with something useful
[16:26:00] <sumanah>	 mitevam: so generally it goes like this: everyone assembles in IRC at the specified time and gets onto the Etherpad.  Then the organizer slowly goes down the list of like 10-20 bugs. :-)  Volunteers help by seeing whether they can still reproduce the bug, maybe find more detail about what's going wrong
[16:26:28] <sumanah>	 in the case of bugs that are not yet prioritized, we discuss what the priority of the bug should be, and the organizer updates it
[16:26:37] <sumanah>	 we take notes in the Etherpad
[16:26:59] <mitevam>	 sumanah so you are not trying to fix the bug during the bug day but improve the bug report ? 
[16:27:00] <sumanah>	 if there's a developer (paid or volunteer) who says "hmm, this is interesting, I'll take this on" then the organizer assigns it to them
[16:27:02] <sumanah>	 YES
[16:27:33] <mitevam>	 sumanah and how are bugs chosen? 
[16:27:51] <sumanah>	 within any bug tracker, like BZ, our goal is for every open issue to be an up-to-date, well-specified task that someone could take on.  So in a bug triage day, we improve bug reports
[16:28:31] <sumanah>	 mitevam: there is a variety of ways to choose bugs to address in a specific meeting.  Sometimes it starts with a team of people; for example, the Localisation/language engineering team may get together all the issues pertaining to their area
[16:29:10] <sumanah>	 sometimes it's "let's validate or close very old bugs" in which case the organizer would do a BZ search for something like "non-enhancement issues that have not been touched in > 1 yr"
[16:29:21] <mitevam>	 I see, does this happen on #mediawiki? 
[16:29:35] <sumanah>	 usually it's in #wikimedia-dev to avoid being distracted by the bot traffic
[16:30:06] <Rahul22>	 sumanah i ve installed mediawiki,ubuntu and now can u shed some light on bug reporting and fixing!
[16:30:06] <MatmaRex>	 wikibugs is down anyway
[16:30:11] <MatmaRex>	 since yesterday at least
[16:30:37] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: I'm, as always, willing to answer your questions.
[16:30:43] <mitevam>	 OK, and is the VisualEditor test day something different? 
[16:30:46] <Rahul22>	 yeaay!
[16:31:36] <Rahul22>	 i read the mediawiki resource on bug fixing ,it's a little confusing though!
[16:31:53] <sumanah>	 mitevam: I think so, yes.  The focus in the VisualEditor test day will be in trying to find NEW defects, and report them into BZ as fresh bug reports.
[16:32:01] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: go ahead, tell us your confusions
[16:32:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "AbuseFilter: Performance optimization" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42501
[16:33:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "API module manager and help rewrite" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[16:33:12] <mitevam>	 sumanah I see everyoen is very interested in a WYSIWYG editor so I was thinking I can invite mediawiki-enterprise people to participate in the VisualEditor test day, will it be open to everyone? 
[16:33:18] <sumanah>	 mitevam: yes
[16:33:21] <Rahul22>	 and i have this strange question ,how much php and javascript should be known before i understand how to fix bugs?
[16:33:47] <sumanah>	 Different bugs will require different levels of skill.
[16:33:53] <yurik>	 MaxSem: you are welcome to fix it anyway you want, but currently it doesn't work :)))
[16:34:12] <Rahul22>	 i sounds dumb but i am sure many new open source enthusiasts have this question lingering in some corner of their mind
[16:34:12] <chrismcmahon>	 mitevam:  from time to time we bring people together to investigate the behavior of software under development so people can give us feedback about what the software might be doing incorrectly (or correctly, for that matter).  We'd like to do more of this testing with the community. 
[16:34:14] <yurik>	 and the reason for it is that somehow it wasn't used before 
[16:34:20] <MaxSem>	 meh, so be it
[16:34:21] <yurik>	 inside api
[16:34:30] <MaxSem>	 I'm renaming the file for consistency though
[16:34:35] <yurik>	 sure
[16:35:04] <yurik>	 i didn't want to do filerename yet - not that fluent with GIT and gerrit to see the consequences on a windows system
[16:35:06] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: Yes, I understand that people wonder that. The only way to find out is to try, usually.  Let me give you an analogy: how much cooking should be known before you understand how to make food?
[16:35:11] <mitevam>	 chrismcmahon: is the visualeditor event date and time set already? are you organizing it ? 
[16:35:30] <Rahul22>	 i like the comparison!
[16:35:32] <MaxSem>	 on Windows, you'll have to rename to an intermediate filename ot it will not work
[16:35:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "AbuseFilter: Performance optimization" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42501
[16:36:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Geo API fixed capitalization" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45151
[16:36:27] <chrismcmahon>	 mitevam: date and time are not set, I'd like qgil 's opinion on what the date/time for VE testing should be
[16:36:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45151
[16:36:48] <MaxSem>	 whee
[16:38:19] <mitevam>	 chrismcmahon: ok i will probably hear about it when it is:) i think some of the third-party users I've been in contact with might be interested , at least i hope they will be 
[16:39:06] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, mitevam just finishing two things before jumping to this topic
[16:40:50] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34798 for instance
[16:41:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anja Jentzsch; "See one inline comment, otherwise looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[16:41:22] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: Look at includes/FeedUtils.php  and at resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css . https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=includes/FeedUtils.php and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css 
[16:41:49] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: that is an example of a bug that requires very little knowledge of PHP and JavaScript.
[16:42:39] <mitevam>	 sumanah i have an idea to discuss with you when you have a minute :)
[16:43:02] <sumanah>	 okay! now is good :-)
[16:43:17] <sumanah>	 Rahul22: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs has tips on how to fix small bugs like that :-)
[16:44:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "Move <warnings> and <query-continue> to result's top and optimize" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44569
[16:44:52] <hexmode>	 sumanah: blobaugh just told me there is an azure backend in core?  He said you pointed him to it or to a ticket?
[16:44:54] <mitevam>	 ok so i was thinking today why people are not very active on discussions and I thought that it would help if I asked more specific questions and if I made it very easy for them to reply and I got the idea of making a survey to send out 
[16:45:16] <hexmode>	 I'm working with a wiki hosted on Azure, so if you know anything ....
[16:45:46] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ooh, interesting! is this at your new gig? I'm digging out the relevant Gerrit changeset, just a moment
[16:45:50] <mitevam>	 sumanah: and while i was thinking about that I received an email from Yury Katkov suggesting the exact same thing saying that people seem to respond more to surveyrs and that SMW does that a lot 
[16:46:04] <sumanah>	 hexmode: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/message:azure,n,z
[16:46:11] <hexmode>	 sumanah: I have several "gigs" ;)
[16:46:26] <sumanah>	 hexmode: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41035/
[16:46:26] <hexmode>	 many balls in the air
[16:46:32] <mitevam>	 sumanah hahah i dont know how you always "dig out" things so quickly :)
[16:46:56] <sumanah>	 mitevam: learning how to search one's info sources really efficiently!
[16:47:03] <hexmode>	 very nice!
[16:47:14] <sumanah>	 like, in Gerrit, there's search by "message" which means anything in the commit summary -- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-search.html
[16:48:25] <sumanah>	 mitevam: I personally am suspicious of surveys because I dislike taking them and they're often so ill-designed and because I wonder where the data will end up.  BUT I have also used surveys, a lot, to test the effectiveness of my events -- such as in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012/Retrospective
[16:50:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yurik; "Merging is killing me. Thanks for catching. Re spacing - commented on IRC, if you want i can do a se..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41198
[16:50:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkAHershberger; "If you want this in core for 1.21, though, you should try to get it accepted by the end of March." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41035
[16:51:00] <sumanah>	 mitevam: I am sorry to be so mixed! Let me be clearer
[16:52:02] <sumanah>	 so, asking specific questions: VERY GOOD.
[16:52:11] <sumanah>	 making it easy for them to reply: TOTALLY.
[16:52:31] <sumanah>	 multi-question survey: maybe useful, or maybe you want to start with a poll
[16:52:35] <sumanah>	 on a specific question
[16:53:06] <mitevam>	 sumanah: the problem i see is that part of the goal is to get people who are not there on mediawiki.org , on  the mailing lists and  on irc and generally more actively involved in the community and the survey is not exactly achieving this goall 
[16:53:42] <sumanah>	 right
[16:53:56] <sumanah>	 you coulllllld just autopost the results of the survey to the mailing list!  mwahahahaha
[16:54:04] <mitevam>	 sumanah: but I feel that it would be useful to even ask what version of mediawiki people are using, what extensions they are using, what mailing lists they are subscribed to, how often they come on irc and simple things like that 
[16:54:08] <sumanah>	 (that was an "evil mad scientist" laugh)
[16:54:31] <mitevam>	 hahah i imagine the sound they use in cartoons :) 
[16:54:48] <sumanah>	 right :-)
[16:55:14] * sumanah  should possibly not make such disturbing mad-scientist noises around your unborn child. oh wait, this is IRC, it's fine

[16:55:43] <mitevam>	 sumanah: maybe he can already read :P don't underestimate him :)
[16:55:47] <sumanah>	 hee!
[16:56:06] <sumanah>	 ok, more seriously, re a possible survey -- I think part of what you are running into, yes, is that you want the answers to these questions, and separately, you want them to be communicating in these channels
[16:56:40] <sumanah>	 if you are ok with getting the 1st, and then writing to the list about the aggregate response (sort of helping with the 2nd aim) that could be useful
[16:57:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "AbuseFilter: Performance optimization" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42501
[16:57:51] <mitevam>	 sumanah the problem is that currently people who are already active are participating, I feel lika I need to learn more about the rest and why they are not using those channels, and maybe if I find out that they are not subscribed to the mailing lists, for example, send them "educational" emails why they should be 
[16:58:07] <sumanah>	 okay
[16:58:10] <sumanah>	 sounds reasonable to me
[16:58:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Simplified, documentation (thanks, Daniel)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42501
[16:58:41] <sumanah>	 so, we have a Qualtrics account - I like Qualtrics for designing surveys
[16:58:47] <sumanah>	 I know others don't but I do
[16:58:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Parent5446; "How is doing $parsetOutput->foobar any cleaner than $parserOutput->myMutator( 'foo', 'value' )?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[17:00:23] <mitevam>	 sumanah i am not sure if I am right, that was my gut, and then I got the email from yury right at that time so I got excited about the idea, I see you don't like it much , is it just some personal dislike of surverys or is there a specific reason why? 
[17:01:09] <sumanah>	 I have a personal irrational dislike of receiving surveys but I don't think that should stop you
[17:01:21] <sumanah>	 I'm also not on Facebook but if you personally want to do Facebook outreach you should feel free to do that
[17:02:24] <mitevam>	 i did actually have to use FB to track down one company so yes, done that :) 
[17:03:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "rake task description for cucumber" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45133
[17:03:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45133
[17:04:16] <mitevam>	 sumanah:  still i think you know the communitiy better so if you don't think its a good idea its giving me doubts as well , but if it's not for a rational reason I guess that's different
[17:04:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "doc for FF18 support" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45130
[17:05:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44998
[17:05:16] <sumanah>	 mitevam: I think the key thing is executing *well*
[17:06:02] <sumanah>	 like, the survey should be as short as possible, and clearly state the privacy practices around the data, mark required questions as required but others as optional, and so on
[17:07:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44980
[17:07:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ragesoss; "That would explain why it's not loading the default message." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44445
[17:07:27] <mitevam>	 sumanah: yes I understand that, it will not be easy, I read some about designing surveys today
[17:07:46] <sumanah>	 mitevam: if that's the case, and if people feel like they have a reason to answer the survey and will end up getting something out of it, then I think the community will react reasonably well
[17:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance, refactor" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44979
[17:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45130
[17:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44998
[17:08:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44980
[17:08:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44979
[17:08:42] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: is the Colorado tech community talking about http://www.gschool.it/ ? What's the gossip?
[17:09:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Parent5446; "Still missing mw-config/index.php5" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35171
[17:10:54] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: there are a number of those in Denver/Boulder area, e.g. http://davincicoders.com/
[17:12:12] <yurik>	 any way to make sure that an extension is deployed to all servers before the core?
[17:12:56] <sumanah>	 mitevam: so, maybe you could start with a few personal interviews, ask people whether you could Skype or G+ with them, ask them some questions
[17:13:14] <sumanah>	 mitevam: and from that, gather a little info about what you would ask in the surveys
[17:14:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Thanks, very good changes. Just one minor comment that affects two or three lines at the end." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[17:14:53] <mitevam>	 sumanah sorry for being slow, i'm thinking :) (smoke coming out of mitevam's head) :D
[17:15:11] <sumanah>	 mitevam: that's completely fine! I do not think you are being slow. I know you are being thoughtful
[17:15:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@Parent5446 my point is that $parserOutput->foo is *less* clean. We seem to agree on that... or did ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[17:17:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of SMWExpElement classes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[17:17:50] <sumanah>	 hey there varnent how's it going?
[17:19:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of SMWExpElement classes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[17:19:49] <mitevam>	 sumanah i think you are right, maybe a few personal interviews might be good just to telll me if my gut is leading me the right way and also to help with questions 
[17:19:57] <sumanah>	 okay
[17:20:21] <sumanah>	 makes sense to me, mitevam - sounds reasonable for you to go ahead and get started with that
[17:21:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45145
[17:23:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Rjain; " (bug 40646) Errant line break in "Use a different license option"" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44686
[17:25:20] <lbenedix>	 is someone here, who can help me with the creation of a table in an extension?
[17:25:31] <lbenedix>	 by now i use the Tablepager-Class
[17:27:04] <mitevam>	 sumanah so other than that I think the "vendor" issue is fixed now, and I have been trying to create some traffic on mediawiki-enterprise and to follow up with everyone on email with specific questions and suggestions, but I am not very happy with the participation
[17:27:38] <sumanah>	 on the latter point, give it a little time :-) people are catching up from the long weekend, in the USA
[17:27:47] <sumanah>	 on the former point, yay, glad it's fixed!
[17:29:02] <sumanah>	 I'm glad you responded on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_vendors as well  (er, now, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion )
[17:29:12] <marktraceur>	 richa_: Hi! I see you've uploaded a new patchset, shall we get this puppy merged?
[17:31:03] <richa_>	 marktraceur: it will be reviewed first
[17:31:33] <cortexman>	 cat revision.sql | mysql -u root -D my_wiki -p. #ERROR 1136 (21S01) at line 6: Column count doesn't match value count at row 1. INSERT INTO `revision` VALUES (100,100,100,'',2,'PubMedImporter','2013122171032',1,0)
[17:31:55] <cortexman>	 this revision.sql was created with xml2sql. 
[17:32:12] <richa_>	 andre: Can you review my patch now ? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44686
[17:32:40] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw, I found something that might suck up your whole day (sorry James_F): http://columbiadatascience.com/thought-experiments/
[17:33:07] <cortexman>	 i see that the revision table has 12 fields, so do i basically need to modify xml2sql to output a statement with 12 fields? thanks.
[17:33:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Parent5446; "Oh, yeah, sorry that was a mistype. Carry on." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45117
[17:33:17] <marktraceur>	 richa_: Once andre__ reviews it again (or if he says he's busy), I'd like to weigh in and test it, so ping me when that happens please :)
[17:33:20] <James_F>	 sumanah: Tsk. :-)
[17:33:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added SMWExpElementTest" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45160
[17:33:56] <varnent_>	 sumanah: let me know if/when you want to chat about Wikimania Hackathon - lol - we obviously have time - but I'm happy to help again if there's a need/want  :)
[17:33:58] <James_F>	 sumanah: Though today I think it's CT who might really object. :-)
[17:34:04] <sumanah>	 ha!
[17:34:24] <richa_>	 marktraceur: sure
[17:34:25] <sumanah>	 varnent_: qgil is really the person who might want to chat with you about it!  qgil, varnent_ has helped with previous hackathons
[17:34:52] <sumanah>	 omg I need to stop reading about data science even though all these ideas and experiments look so cool
[17:34:54] * sumanah  closes tab

[17:34:57] <varnent_>	 sumanah: I think the programme committee has you listed as the Hackathon coordinator - let me know if you want that tweaked  :)
[17:35:04] <sumanah>	 WHAT
[17:35:21] * varnent_  passes out flier reminding ppl of the dangers of killing messengers

[17:35:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aklapper; "Cannot verify (try out) as I've never been able to reproduce the problem, but patch looks clean. +1" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44686
[17:35:45] <andre__>	 richa_, I cannot verify the patch (after applying it) because I've simply not managed to reproduce the problem yet, but looks clean.
[17:35:50] <varnent_>	 brb
[17:35:50] * sumanah  searches site for sumana. "did you mean: SUDAN"

[17:35:51] <marktraceur>	 Righto, I can help
[17:35:58] <qgil>	 hi varnent_ ! Yes, we are in contact sumanah since he volunteered to be co-promoter of the Promotion group  :)
[17:36:01] <andre__>	 marktraceur: This is an official ping to you, as refered to two minutes ago.
[17:36:22] <qgil>	 sumanah, someone wrote me saying that "Susana told me..."  :)
[17:36:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "Wasted 15 mins of whitespace related conflict fixing, giving up :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45146
[17:36:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45160
[17:36:53] <mitevam>	 sumanah thank you for the encouragement, I will keep trying and I do hope time will help :) 
[17:37:07] <richa_>	 marktraceur: andre__ commented 
[17:37:13] <sumanah>	 varnent: it's not me. I can't be hackathon coordinator for Wikimania. It might be Quim. Maybe it should be you.  but in any case it is not me
[17:37:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "some comments" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42501
[17:38:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Add russian messages for bad title errors." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44397
[17:38:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Show detailed errors for bad titles." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43166
[17:39:06] <sumanah>	 Some general reminders to folks:  https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions Wikimania 2013 call for talks is open!   Deadline for submitting proposals is: 30 April 2013
[17:39:13] <sumanah>	 Wikimania is in August in Hong Kong
[17:39:37] <sumanah>	 SMWCon spring 2013 is in New York City in March, http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Spring_2013 and is accepting talk proposals
[17:40:19] <sumanah>	 and Open Source Bridge 2013 is in Portland, Oregon, USA in June, and its call for talks closes on 9 March http://opensourcebridge.org/blog/2013/01/2013-call-for-proposals-now-open/
[17:40:32] <marktraceur>	 richa_: I wonder if there's a better way to accomplish this....the line break now happens later on the line, but the second line starts at the same place as the bullet points. Could we maybe float both of the elements to the left and accomplish something similar?
[17:40:40] <marktraceur>	 (I don't know, I'm just brainstorming)
[17:42:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Platonides; "Yes, and it's suboptimal that it wouldn't. But no reason to extend that to the other functions, too." [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42962
[17:42:17] <sumanah>	 anomie, awjr, blobaugh, Dereckson, hexmode, lwelling, MatmaRex, and varnent I think y'all should especially look at the conference spam lines above :-)   ^^
[17:42:41] <hexmode>	 :)
[17:44:18] * MatmaRex  aint got time for talks :(

[17:48:11] <cortexman>	 welp i first dropped these three fields, imported revision.sql and then ran ALTER TABLE revision ADD COLUMN rev_len INT(10) UNSIGNED DEFAULT NULL AFTER rev_deleted, ADD COLUMN rev_parent_id INT(10) UNSIGNED DEFAULT NULL AFTER rev_len, ADD COLUMN rev_sha1 varbinary(32) NOT NULL default after rev_parent_id;
[17:48:31] <awjr>	 thanks for theads up, sumanah :) it's hard to keep track of em all
[17:48:36] <sumanah>	 yes!
[17:48:51] <awjr>	 what about oscon?
[17:49:31] <sumanah>	 I think sometime in Feb. You're interested in OSCON?  It's not as interesting to me as OSBridge but I understand others have differing tastes
[17:50:20] <varnent>	 mitevam:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Do_not_hack_the_core
[17:50:30] <awjr>	 i have not been to osbridge before, but i think it would be more up my alley. i spoke at oscon a couple of years ago - it was cool but… not as cool as i expected. very corporate-y
[17:50:38] <lwelling>	 thanks sumanah
[17:50:39] <varnent>	 sumanah: I'll talk with programme committee and update the designation  :)
[17:50:40] <awjr>	 but i figured it was worth plugging all the same :)
[17:50:45] <varnent>	 Quim - you around?
[17:51:00] <mitevam>	 sumanah i just read that this morning :) 
[17:51:19] <qgil>	 varnent, yes!
[17:51:23] <varnent>	 sumanah: as amusing as I may personally find putting your name in there for a short time - other do not share my humor  :)
[17:51:24] <sumanah>	 awjr: :-) yeah, OSCON is more like ClearChannel and OSBridge is more like college radio
[17:51:28] <sumanah>	 ha!
[17:51:33] <awjr>	 lol
[17:51:51] * qgil  missed the joke

[17:51:56] <varnent>	 qgil: Wikimania Hackathon - something of interest to you?
[17:52:13] <sumanah>	 qgil: I think the joke would be more like a prank
[17:52:22] <sumanah>	 like a bucket of water balanced atop a door that's ajar
[17:52:23] <qgil>	 varnent, well yes
[17:52:34] <mitevam>	 sumanah i am about to call it a day, anything before I go ? 
[17:52:45] <sumanah>	 mitevam: nothing in particular from me. Do you have any blockers?
[17:52:51] <siebrand>	 bugzillla bot is dead?
[17:53:05] <sumanah>	 Seems so.
[17:53:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Made Block::purgeExpired() check for read-only mode." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45161
[17:53:20] <qgil>	 siebrand, ah, now I know why this room felt so fresh and healthy  :)
[17:53:24] <siebrand>	 sumanah: Do you know who maintains that?
[17:53:29] <siebrand>	 qgil: *nod*
[17:53:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45161
[17:53:35] <varnent>	 qgil: were you already planning on coordinating the hackathon?  If so, I'll update the programme committee's info
[17:53:38] <mitevam>	 sumanah no not really 
[17:53:49] <sumanah>	 awjr: I think there's a place for OSCON, especially if you're trying to reach executives or purchasers. But we usually aren't in that position I think
[17:54:03] * siebrand  conforts SickPanda 

[17:54:12] * siebrand  comforts SickPanda, too.

[17:54:13] <qgil>	 varnent, tbh I just got an email from the organizers proposing me to coordinate it. Digesting...
[17:54:17] <SickPanda>	 thank you siebrand :)
[17:54:23] * SickPanda  gives siebrand a non-contagious hug

[17:54:28] <qgil>	 varnent, I'm no local and I haven't been in previous Wikimanias
[17:54:29] <sumanah>	 siebrand: I'm sorry I don't know who maintains the wikibugs bot
[17:54:38] <awjr>	 sumanah: the good part was that i got a lot of free swag. plus i got interviewed for some documentary that sounded really cool but then turned out the director was a total kook and only wanted to talk about space elevators...
[17:54:39] <varnent>	 qgil: okay - let me know and feel free to ping me - I helped with last years - and it was my first Wikimania  :)
[17:54:52] <awjr>	 but otherwise the event was a let-down
[17:54:59] <sumanah>	 <small voice> Space elevators are cool.</small voice>
[17:55:01] <awjr>	 i didn't get much out of the talks :(
[17:55:16] <varnent>	 qgil: and I'm on the programme committee for this year's wikimania (and last years) - so I can help with that aspect of it as well - and I'm in Michigan - so not local at all :)
[17:55:24] <qgil>	 varnent, I'd say that no matter what I will be involved and no mater what I hope there are many volunteers involved
[17:55:35] <siebrand>	 SickPanda: I'll probably be sick by the weekend. We had a party last Saturdaty, and about 5 attendees were there without their partners as they and/or more family members had the flu. I and my wife of course kissed them all, so we'll probably get it too.
[17:55:42] <qgil>	 varnent, the rest is details to be defined, and if you want to help your contribution is precious!
[17:55:50] <siebrand>	 !wikibugs
[17:55:50] <wm-bot>	 is awesome!
[17:55:52] <varnent>	 qgil: okay - let me know - we can chat more about what coordinating it actually means  :)
[17:55:56] <siebrand>	 hah
[17:56:05] <siebrand>	 useful...
[17:56:15] <mitevam>	 good day/night from me everybody ! 
[17:56:20] <SickPanda>	 siebrand: :D bring all your germs to India :P
[17:56:57] <qgil>	 varnent, yes, just let me think myself for a bit before :)  I also want to get more details about the Wikimania organizers
[17:57:12] <awjr>	 sumanah: this was the documentary: http://www.indiegogo.com/SoftwareWars/ looks like it will probably never get finished (i am kinda relieved)
[17:57:21] <MatmaRex>	 siebrand: nobody maintaisn wikibugs
[17:57:24] <MatmaRex>	 and that's the problem
[17:57:34] <siebrand>	 MatmaRex: But where does it run?
[17:57:43] <MatmaRex>	 siebrand: last time this happened mutante restarted it, afaik
[17:57:45] <varnent>	 qgil: sounds good - I'm available for questions and to help - I'll probably be your liaison to the cmte if you accept - sumanah is also an excellent resource for this (as I suspect you already know)
[17:57:50] <MatmaRex>	 siebrand: i was told thta on mcherny
[17:57:52] <siebrand>	 or who /what initiates the connection?
[17:57:53] <MatmaRex>	 mchenry*
[17:57:55] <MatmaRex>	 the mail server.
[17:58:00] <qgil>	 varnent, I assume you are in wikitech-l? We could start hashing ideas there and see what e.g. awjr suggests to improve
[17:58:06] <siebrand>	 oh riite...
[17:58:09] <MatmaRex>	 but don't ask me exactly how
[17:58:11] <varnent>	 qgil: that's a good idea - yes I am
[17:58:14] <awjr>	 qgil eh?
[17:58:19] <MatmaRex>	 the perl scripts reads in data and prints new data out
[17:58:24] <MatmaRex>	 then something else posts it to irc
[17:59:13] <qgil>	 ok varnent - the only thing is that I'm supposed to be ready for FOSDEM next week and I still haven't started really - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM/2013_-_Lightning_-_Qgil
[17:59:44] <qgil>	 varnent, ;let's kick the discussion but after FOSDEM I will be able to put more weight on it
[17:59:50] <varnent>	 qgil: no problem - we have months - I regret that I didn't get things going sooner for hackathon last year - there are some things we didn't get to do that I'm interested in trying
[17:59:57] <varnent>	 qgil: sounds good
[18:00:26] <qgil>	 varnent, why don't you start the discussion in wikitech with the help of some page (in Meta, under Wikimania?) I will follow
[18:00:49] <varnent>	 qgil: sounds good - I should be able to do that later tonight (god willing I won't forget)  :)
[18:00:53] <qgil>	 varnent, I agree that some things need to be clear well in advance. More a matter of principles agreed than implementation details at this point
[18:01:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix output of centre param" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45162
[18:01:42] <qgil>	 varnent, and the Wikimania organizers seem to be wlling to delegate completely the content of the hackathon, so no worries discussing at wikitech-l for now
[18:02:26] <varnent>	 qgil: agreed - generally the main wikimania folks have just looked to the program committee to say if Hackathon is coming along or not - at least that's how last year went and how this year appears to be shaping up
[18:02:28] <qgil>	 varnent, ok, jumping to a meeting now... Looking forward to your email  :)
[18:02:44] <varnent>	 qgil: I think the reality is the organizers do not include many, if any, developers - so it's a gray area  :)
[18:03:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix output of centre param" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45163
[18:03:25] <qgil>	 ( varnent this lack of technical integration with the rest of the rest of the Wikimedia movement, might be a deeper, philosophical problem. Anyway>)
[18:06:38] <varnent>	 qgil: I could not agree more  :)
[18:07:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yurik; "INCOMPLETE! API PageSet allows generator for non-query modules" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44087
[18:09:47] <Isarra>	 Guys!
[18:09:50] <Isarra>	 Phalanx!
[18:09:56] <Isarra>	 Is it awesome?
[18:10:13] <Isarra>	 ...of course this is probably totally the wrong place to throw that.
[18:10:25] <sumanah>	 What is Phalanx!
[18:10:33] <Isarra>	 Itś an extension!
[18:10:35] <sumanah>	 Oh, ashley's initiative!
[18:10:45] * sumanah  looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Phalanx

[18:10:58] <Isarra>	 Yeah, waiting his loveliness to make it properly lovely.
[18:11:05] <Isarra>	 If he fails I will hurl chickens at him.
[18:11:40] * sumanah  hasn't tried Phalanx out. 

[18:14:41] <sumanah>	 qgil: if there's anything you think ought to be in this week's Signpost, you could put a comment in at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-21/Technology_report
[18:17:30] <Reedy>	 Later
[18:17:41] <ori-l-away>	 bye Reedy
[18:18:25] <SickPanda>	 Isarra: fried chickens?
[18:18:32] <SickPanda>	 if so I don't see how that is a bad thing :P
[18:19:30] <Isarra>	 No, raw chickens.
[18:19:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Reformatted." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45165
[18:19:57] <SickPanda>	 Isarra: alive?
[18:20:18] <Isarra>	 No.
[18:20:28] <Isarra>	 Plucked and pinkish.
[18:20:32] <Reedy>	 ori-l-away: Where are you going?
[18:22:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nemo bis; "(bug 44248) Minor tweak to MediaWiki:Readonlywarning" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45166
[18:23:08] <Isarra>	 Okay, at its heart, what exactly is echo?
[18:23:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Add russian messages for bad title errors." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44397
[18:23:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Show detailed errors for bad titles." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43166
[18:26:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Isarra: aren't you supposed to know? :o
[18:26:58] <Isarra>	 ...you'd think.
[18:27:03] <Isarra>	 You'd really think.
[18:27:54] <Isarra>	 Well, actually, I'm more working with the other one, so that doesn't make that little sense.
[18:28:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Per Rob's email (Jan 10), can we not use Article, Revision, Pager, etc?" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35807
[18:29:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Looks fine" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42864
[18:29:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: CSteipp; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42864
[18:30:05] <lbenedix>	 is someone here, that can help me with the tablepager-class?
[18:34:35] <Dereckson>	 Hello.
[18:34:39] <Dereckson>	 Good evening Isarra.
[18:34:51] <saper>	 Good evening, Dereckson.
[18:35:01] <Dereckson>	 Hello saper.
[18:35:07] <sumanah>	 lbenedix: if you're not getting help here you might try the mediawiki-l list
[18:35:09] <sumanah>	 !lists | lbenedix 
[18:35:09] <wm-bot>	 lbenedix: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[18:35:12] <Amgine>	 <wonders when Ganglia became authed>
[18:35:59] <aude>	 Amgine: it's because it has XSS vulnerabilities i think....
[18:36:04] <harshkothari>	 Dereckson: Hi
[18:36:06] <lbenedix>	 sumanah: i know that i could get help on the mailinglists... but i like chat more ;)
[18:36:13] <Dereckson>	 Isarra: I were wondering if you did blog a little about Flow.
[18:36:16] <Dereckson>	 Hi harshkothari.
[18:36:27] <harshkothari>	 Dereckson: Do have checked code?
[18:36:32] <saper>	 Amgine: there was a post on wikitech-l
[18:36:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix output of centre param" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45162
[18:36:37] <sumanah>	 ok
[18:37:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix output of centre param" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45163
[18:37:11] <Dereckson>	 I'm eating a little bit and I deep in your code harshkothari.
[18:37:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45163
[18:37:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45162
[18:38:37] <marktraceur>	 richa_: Ping, is there some other way we can fix this bug? It doesn't look right to me.
[18:39:46] <richa_>	 because of the second line ?
[18:40:11] <marktraceur>	 richa_: Yeah, the line break comes at a weird place for me at least
[18:40:35] <marktraceur>	 richa_: I'd like to make the indentation match, at least, for the text
[18:41:05] <marktraceur>	 richa_: But I might also suggest forcing a line break at some point....that would be an i18n thing, but possible
[18:44:25] <harshkothari>	 Dereckson: ok..
[18:45:37] <harshkothari>	 Dereckson: if any mistake is there let me inform :)
[18:46:00] <marktraceur>	 richa_: Thoughts?
[18:46:22] <richa_>	 marktraceur: the line break comes at "legal code "
[18:46:26] <marktraceur>	 Right
[18:46:31] <richa_>	 and you dont want that ? right?
[18:46:36] <marktraceur>	 But it's not static, I don't think
[18:46:49] <marktraceur>	 Oh no wait
[18:47:08] <marktraceur>	 I stand corrected, it's static because all of UW is statically sized.
[18:47:23] * marktraceur  glares at the absent neilk

[18:50:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Very helpful! One comment error, but otherwise ready to merge." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40292
[18:52:45] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: i pushed some code for review yesterday. Check it out when you have time: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45084/
[18:55:23] <Isarra>	 Dereckson: I wouldn know what to blog about it.
[18:55:27] <Isarra>	 At least not politely.
[18:56:12] <Isarra>	 Also hello.
[18:57:25] <marktraceur>	 richa_: My suggestion would likely involve floating the elements so the text is all indented the same. But again, open to suggestions.
[18:58:27] <Dereckson>	 Hello terrrydactyl. Nice, Let's see that.
[18:59:10] <richa_>	 marktraceur: even if the text is indented properly the line break would be at the same point "legal code"
[18:59:21] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: there's still much to be worked on. my boyfriend suggested using sha1 instead of md5, but i can implement that later.
[18:59:40] <Isarra>	 Oh, and flow doesn't suck. If anyone was getting the idea I was saying it was bad, I wasn't. It's absolutely lovely and if all goes well it shall be the new platfor for the continuation of the Great War.
[18:59:43] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, ok. What is the most urgent topic you want me to help to solve today?
[18:59:50] <ori-l>	 Reedy: oh, you said 'Later'. I thought you were saying goodbye.
[18:59:56] <Isarra>	 ...wait, I didn't just say that.
[19:00:04] <Isarra>	 Someone else said that.
[19:00:06] <Dereckson>	 terrrydactyl: your boyfriend thought "security"
[19:00:06] <Isarra>	 Assuredly.
[19:00:09] <qgil>	 Isarra, this is precisely what I was suspecting
[19:00:09] <Isarra>	 ori-l: I see you!
[19:00:14] <Isarra>	 qgil: Noooo!
[19:00:14] <ori-l>	 :P
[19:00:18] <Isarra>	 Er, wait, which?
[19:00:20] <Isarra>	 Huh?
[19:00:29] <Dereckson>	 terrrydactyl: you're generating a convenience hash
[19:00:33] <harshkothari>	 qgil: ping
[19:00:48] <marktraceur>	 richa_: The second suggestion would be to put a literal line break at the beginning of the parenthetical portion of the string
[19:01:46] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: would we have to worry about cloning a safe repository later in the project?
[19:01:53] <qgil>	 harshkothari, pong
[19:02:27] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_Editor_Test, especially the "What this test is not" section, get OK from Alolita, decide whether we do this all async or does it have a sync component, and if so timing of the sync component. 
[19:02:45] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, ok
[19:03:21] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: thanks!
[19:04:08] <Dereckson>	 terrrydactyl: a MD5 is a result of mathematical functions with two properties: (1) for a given input, it always produces the same result (2) it's not possible to find this input from the result. MD5 have two issues: (1) it's possible to write a very long message with the same hash (there are collisions) (2) we generated tables, called rainbow tables, with the hashes of every strings with few characters, so it's possible to look up and know the i
[19:04:56] <Dereckson>	 terrrydactyl: in your case, you use a cryptographic hash to have a unique identifiant, you have nothing to hide: the git URLs are public
[19:05:40] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: ah okay. that was a really interesting explanation of md5
[19:06:13] <Isarra>	 Okay, so how does one go about being polite in general? Does smiling help? :)
[19:06:40] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: is there a way to manipulate a git repo to have malicious intent?
[19:07:00] <terrrydactyl>	 Isarra: depends on the smile!
[19:07:14] * Isarra  grins like a cadavre.

[19:07:32] * terrrydactyl  slowly backs away. :)

[19:07:42] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: They're getting free medical procedures, who wouldn't be happy about that?
[19:07:56] <Isarra>	 People with too much money.
[19:09:43] <Dereckson>	 terrrydactyl: yes, you could want to push malicious code in a repository
[19:10:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174
[19:10:18] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: i'm not worrying about that now, but would it be something to think about after the base program has been completed?
[19:12:05] <Dereckson>	 You could, but honestly on a wiki... the easiest way is to edit the final page and alter slighly the URL to point to your repo with malicious code instead.
[19:14:13] <terrrydactyl>	 ah okay. are there measures in mediawiki to prevent that?
[19:15:00] * marktraceur  wonders about what malicious code terrrydactyl and Dereckson are thinking will happen....

[19:15:15] <marktraceur>	 So long as you don't try to run the code, shouldn't it be OK?
[19:15:32] <terrrydactyl>	 maybe i'm just being a worrywart
[19:16:22] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: You may need to escape HTML special characters in the code snippets, but that shouldn't be hard....I mean, maybe there are issues to consider, but I'm not sure what they are
[19:16:56] <AaronSchulz>	 PHP_Invoker_TimeoutException: Execution aborted after 2 seconds
[19:17:00] * AaronSchulz  siiiighs

[19:18:03] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: Troubles?
[19:18:51] <AaronSchulz>	 I feel like I have to do dummy changes for every other commit due to random test failures
[19:18:55] <terrrydactyl>	 oh marktraceur! do you know a guy by the name of jonathan mcdowell?
[19:19:23] <marktraceur>	 Uhhh, it rings a bell? Why?
[19:19:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Working in test, looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40293
[19:19:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: CSteipp; [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40293
[19:20:03] <terrrydactyl>	 he mentioned grabbing a beer with you for open source stuff. he's dating my bf's sister and i was talking about wikimedia and he mentioned you.
[19:20:07] <marktraceur>	 Oh hm
[19:20:33] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: I have an email from him about a BAD meeting, so it's plausible he was at a Beowulf Cluster meeting, yes
[19:23:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding support for time units" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45077
[19:25:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix service param handling" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45172
[19:26:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45172
[19:26:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "There's a rebase conflict, could you fix that please?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40562
[19:27:36] <Isarra>	 Who would I need to find to ask about Echo?
[19:28:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Isarra: What questions do you have about Echo?
[19:28:06] <marktraceur>	 Nischay|Away: ^^
[19:28:14] <marktraceur>	 Also, Krenair_ ^^
[19:28:15] <Krenair>	 Me, Kaldari, Bsitu, Nischay|Away probably
[19:28:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Technical? Product stuff?
[19:28:31] <Isarra>	 What does it do?
[19:28:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Per my email at about the same time: yes, I will rename these in a follow up to avoid potential futu..." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35807
[19:28:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Isarra: As James_F said you and he should chat
[19:29:18] <Isarra>	 Ah.
[19:29:21] <RoanKattouw>	 (The British VisualEditor guy you met about an hour ago)
[19:29:31] <Isarra>	 With you?
[19:29:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "(bug 44181) Add Echo notification for instance deletions" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44948
[19:29:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[19:30:03] <RoanKattouw>	 James is the product person for VisualEditor as well as for Echo
[19:30:11] <Isarra>	 Eep.
[19:30:17] <RoanKattouw>	 We're in a VE meeting now, but I'll tell James to come find you (on the 6th floor I assume?) once we're done
[19:30:18] <Isarra>	 I mean, that fits, but eep.
[19:30:26] <Isarra>	 Aiight.
[19:30:31] <Isarra>	 I... wait...
[19:30:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Don't get him started on that, he's responsible for like 12 projects
[19:30:39] <Isarra>	 Poor guy.
[19:30:50] <qgil>	 Isarra, jorm lunch where?
[19:30:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Or, if British speech amuses you, do get him started on that ;)
[19:31:00] <Isarra>	 And when?
[19:31:06] <jorm>	 at noon.
[19:31:09] <qgil>	 when supposedly at noon
[19:31:14] <jorm>	 and this should be Isarra's choice.
[19:31:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44948
[19:31:22] <Isarra>	 British speech? You mean like the odd words?
[19:31:29] <RoanKattouw>	 and the accent and all of that
[19:31:35] <Isarra>	 Hrm...
[19:31:38] <terrrydactyl>	 he wasn't too bad when i met him
[19:31:45] <Isarra>	 He's lovely.
[19:31:57] <terrrydactyl>	 i understood most of his words. :)
[19:31:59] <Isarra>	 jorm: My choice?
[19:32:03] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes we definitely have other British people that are much harder to understand
[19:32:15] <Isarra>	 terrrydactyl: British words are more sensible than Nicaraguan words.
[19:32:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 31849) API imageinfo correctly handle redirects" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40562
[19:32:25] <terrrydactyl>	 i think i stole your chair when i went into the office RoanKattouw 
[19:32:30] <terrrydactyl>	 it was entirely too big for me, haha
[19:32:44] <RoanKattouw>	 terrrydactyl: When was this?
[19:33:05] <RoanKattouw>	 You're Mark's OPW intern, right? I suppose it makes sense to steal my chair then, I'm right behind him
[19:33:06] <terrrydactyl>	 two weeks ago wednesday, i think? it had tape on it that said Roan.
[19:33:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Right, yeah
[19:33:17] <RoanKattouw>	 I'm OOTO on Mon & Wed, so that makes sense
[19:33:27] <qgil>	 jorm, if we are indeed that many and there is no table booked...
[19:33:30] <terrrydactyl>	 no i'm Dereckson. originally was working with mark in the initial process,
[19:33:39] <marktraceur>	 RoanKattouw: sucheta is working with me :)
[19:33:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Added Onionoo list loader and reorganized functions." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40291
[19:33:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh I se
[19:34:12] <marktraceur>	 Which is sort of cosmically funny, due to the time zones, but ultimately it would be easier for me to mentor EtherEditor
[19:34:15] <RoanKattouw>	 qgil, jorm: If you need to go to lunch with a large group without a reservation there's always Slow Thai
[19:34:16] <jorm>	 i am not afraid.  we're going to get thai; and they always can book large tables at an instance.
[19:34:19] <jorm>	 instant.
[19:34:32] <qgil>	 great
[19:34:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Sanitized coding style and improved documentation." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40292
[19:34:47] <terrrydactyl>	 sometimes i feel like the entire community is my mentor. :)
[19:34:52] <marktraceur>	 Ooh. Slow Thai.
[19:35:01] <qgil>	 booking large tables at an instance sounded exciting, though  :)
[19:35:14] <Isarra>	 terrrydactyl: It is. Thatś the beauty of community.
[19:35:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Alex Monk; "code style issues from previous patch set still apply" [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40291
[19:35:41] <Isarra>	 Personally I just hijacked this channel as my mentor.
[19:35:47] <Isarra>	 It's a good channel.
[19:35:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40562
[19:35:55] <terrrydactyl>	 it is
[19:36:17] <Isarra>	 And there's jorm as someone to keep me on more relevant topics, but... eh, relevance?
[19:36:46] <Isarra>	 Oh, right, relevance.
[19:38:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: CSteipp; [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40292
[19:39:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Address gender support issues in page enotif subject and intro" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45173
[19:41:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Added SSL verification when retrieving node list." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40294
[19:41:57] <sucheta>	 terrrydactyl, You pinged? ( I don't remember when though :P )
[19:42:10] <harshkothari>	 sucheta: lol :P
[19:42:59] <marktraceur>	 sucheta: Hey, how's it going?
[19:44:11] <sucheta>	 marktraceur, Not very well. It did not work yesterday. Will try again now. Maybe I missed something obvious 
[19:45:34] <marktraceur>	 sucheta: Sounds good, ping if you need me :)
[19:46:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "CN/TrEx 1 -- Priority Languages" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24086
[19:48:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "CN/TrEx 1 -- Priority Languages" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24086
[19:48:23] <sucheta>	 marktraceur, Would you do one thing please? Could you tell me what I am supposed to do to change the construction of the URL? ( In case, I have missed anything.)  
[19:48:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Adamw; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24086
[19:49:23] <marktraceur>	 sucheta: Well, I mean, anywhere the URL is used, ep_pad_id should be there in some form
[19:49:37] <marktraceur>	 sucheta: So long as you can still connect to a pad (and the right pad), you've done it right
[19:49:43] <marktraceur>	 Until then keep hunting :)
[19:49:50] <marktraceur>	 jorm: Mind if I tag along to lunch?
[19:49:59] <jorm>	 feel free.
[19:51:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "CN/TrEx 2 -- CN Aggregate Group" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24649
[19:51:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Adamw; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24649
[19:52:13] <marktraceur>	 Sweet.
[19:53:15] <qgil>	 Isarra, jorm  just ping when you leave. marktraceur will come as well
[19:53:41] <qgil>	 ah, you said that  :)
[19:53:47] <jorm>	 not until noon.  we have people in meetings.
[19:54:03] <Isarra>	 I have no idea what time it is.
[19:55:00] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Does anybody, really?
[19:55:54] <Isarra>	 People who are smart enough to read digital clocks do, I'd hope.
[19:56:15] <mutante>	 try /date
[19:56:18] <Krenair>	 Probably... 11:56 in SF right now?
[19:56:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[20:00:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33116
[20:01:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "PropertyStatisticsTable avoid null entries / undefined offset notice" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45176
[20:05:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 31849) API imageinfo correctly handle redirects" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45177
[20:07:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tpt; "Trivial change reviewed by Dereckson" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44868
[20:07:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tpt; [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44868
[20:07:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 31849) API imageinfo correctly handle redirects" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45178
[20:09:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added new "byemail" action to the new users log" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45181
[20:12:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45178
[20:12:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "A couple minor issues" [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40291
[20:13:31] <Lcawte>	 Is it "Mostly Sunny" in SF right now? I just want to check my phone isn't lying to me about SF... :)
[20:14:11] <RoanKattouw>	 It is indeed
[20:14:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added new "byemail" action to the new users log" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45181
[20:14:24] <RoanKattouw>	 Skies are pretty clear
[20:17:04] <kevindank>	 Hey just a suggestion for anyone who has anything to do with developing mediawiki - make uploading and adding images/videos easier!
[20:17:44] <kevindank>	 in Wordpress for example they use TinyMCE i believe and the thing works great out of the package - drag and drop photo uploads automatic galleries
[20:18:03] <kevindank>	 Moving our current site away from MW and onto Wordpress because of this.
[20:20:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45177
[20:20:11] <Lcawte>	 There is actually an extension that adds better upload support, I'm not entirely sure how well it works on third party wikis...
[20:20:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Check for general browser compatibility in addition to version conditions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:21:11] <kevindank>	 Lcawte: Ive seen a few third party extensions but i just find it irratating that the only way by default i can insert a picture into a page is by first uploading it and then definining the file name through the picture button
[20:21:22] <kevindank>	 if anything it should launch a window to allow you to upload then insert
[20:22:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "CN/TrEx 3 -- Message Group Review & CN Namespace" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26502
[20:23:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility in addition to version conditions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:23:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45177
[20:24:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility in addition to version conditions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:25:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:27:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Adamw; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26502
[20:28:29] <jkk>	 hi everybody. i'm experiencing some problems while configuring mediawiki (in the section "connect to database"). is there anyone who can help me? thanks :)
[20:29:19] * SickPanda  waves at jkk

[20:29:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Yay!" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26502
[20:29:35] <SickPanda>	 oops, sorry, mistook you for someone I knew :(
[20:29:37] <SickPanda>	 apologies.
[20:30:12] <jkk>	 no probs, SickPanda :)
[20:30:47] <ialex>	 jkk: please be more specific with our problem ;)
[20:32:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Adds unit tests for server-side schema handling" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45003
[20:32:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Tidy up rST usage in comments" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45004
[20:32:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Use io.open(sock.fileno(), ...) on both 2 and 3" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44965
[20:32:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Provide configurable parser for varnish log lines." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44841
[20:33:26] <jkk>	 ialex: ok. i followed these ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki#Windows_installation ) instructions for creating a database with mysql. but, when i try to connect the database to the mediawike software on my server, it does not accept my database and root usernames and/or passwords, telling " DB connection error: Access denied for user 'jbjef'@'localhost' (using...
[20:33:27] <jkk>	 ...password: NO) (localhost)." (jbjef is my username on server, i never used it on mysql). any hint? thanks :)
[20:34:30] <Krenair>	 What is your username in mysql?
[20:34:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "generateId -> mw.user.generateRandomSessionId" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42329
[20:34:48] <Krenair>	 You'll need to put the username and password -for mysql- into the DB settings form
[20:35:51] <ialex>	 jkk: "using password: NO" seems strange if you gave a password
[20:36:56] <jkk>	 Krenair: my username in mysql is jak. i tried it, but with the same results (= access denied for jbjef)
[20:37:05] <jkk>	 ialex: indeed, i had the same thought :S
[20:37:23] <jkk>	 maybe i made some mistake with mysql, since it was the first time that i used it
[20:38:07] <ialex>	 jkk: so you give a username in the form and the error message states you try to log in with another account?
[20:38:09] <jkk>	 for example, i'm not sure where it actually creates the database, since it did not ask me...
[20:38:15] <jkk>	 ialex: exactly
[20:38:40] <sucheta>	 marktraceur, BTW, padID is same as pad_id in Database.
[20:43:02] <ialex>	 jkk: do you have something defined for mysql.default_user in php.ini?
[20:43:32] <ialex>	 or sql.safe_mode enabled?
[20:44:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41512) Duration of confirmation: 2 -> 2.5 seconds" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45185
[20:45:06] <jkk>	 ialex: where should php.ini be? i cannot find it :(
[20:45:29] <jkk>	 is it in the mysql folders on in mediawiki ones?
[20:45:48] <ialex>	 jkk: no, it's PHP's configuration
[20:45:57] <ialex>	 no idea where it is on Windows
[20:46:33] <jkk>	 ialex: brb, sorry
[20:51:04] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: i'm still having troubles with setting $wgGit2PagesDataDir. when i try to log with print_r, it just gives me 1, but when return it as $output, it returns a directory. also, i have it set within the PullContentFromRepo(), but if i try to set it within setup, it directs me to the mediawiki folder even when i try it set it to '/tmp'.
[20:51:42] <harshkothari>	 terrrydactyl: your project seems to be very hard
[20:53:02] <terrrydactyl>	 it's not! i just seem to find these weird bugs that i can't really explain.
[20:53:13] <terrrydactyl>	 the actual logic is quite simple. :)
[20:53:19] <harshkothari>	 terrrydactyl: that is called bug :P
[20:53:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:53:50] <terrrydactyl>	 harshkothari: haha yeah, i wish things work the way i expect it. but such is the life of a programmer.
[20:54:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: saper; "bug 44136: Don't rollback after successful commit" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45231
[20:55:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Taste1at; "You should also consider to remove the configuration variable $wgScriptExtension (cf. DefaultSetting..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35171
[20:55:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Add some commented out extensions" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45232
[20:56:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45232
[20:56:27] <harshkothari>	 terrrydactyl: Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature. 
[20:56:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jforrester; "Pinging jenkins bot, your progress is requested. :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:59:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[20:59:25] <sumanah>	 hold on, we're DONE with the data center migration?
[20:59:28] <sumanah>	 like, it was fine?
[20:59:31] <sumanah>	 wow! great! yay!
[20:59:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Enable VisualEditor in MediaWiki integration for IE 9 and up." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45233
[21:01:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 41240) Adjust vertical offset for Monobook" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45234
[21:01:07] <sumanah>	 guillom: thanks for the updates!
[21:01:23] <sumanah>	 I see we have some open questions at https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/01/19/wikimedia-sites-move-to-primary-data-center-in-ashburn-virginia/#comments -- I figure you will get to them when you have time?
[21:02:21] * sumanah  reads the last few dents from https://identi.ca/wikimediatech

[21:04:12] <guillom>	 sumanah: yeah; not high on the priority list at the moment
[21:04:24] <sumanah>	 yeah
[21:04:46] <sumanah>	 anyway, yay! we communicated reasonably well AND there was no major disruption?! whooo
[21:05:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Followup Ide274b60: Remove stray character" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45235
[21:05:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45235
[21:08:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Please fix ASAP raymond_" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45232
[21:09:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "Code looks good, although you might want to update languages/messages/MessagesQqq.php." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45181
[21:14:00] <terrrydactyl>	 hey sumanah! i want to try working on fixing bugs when i'm either waiting on a code review or need to just work on something else to refocus. but i've never fixed bugs and i'm not sure where to go. i'm assuming i need a copy of mediawiki that's being worked on but i don't know where that is.
[21:14:28] <sumanah>	 hi terrrydactyl -- so, take a quick look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker specifically the section about downloading
[21:14:45] <sumanah>	 I mean, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Set_up_your_environment
[21:15:38] <terrrydactyl>	 AH! i didn't see that section.
[21:15:52] <sumanah>	 yeah, so what you want is probably to set up Git on your computer, and then set it up so you can, whenever you wait, use Git to update the version of the MediaWiki source code on your computer  so that it is the latest version that has the most recently merged changesets
[21:15:57] <sumanah>	 no prob :-)
[21:16:14] <terrrydactyl>	 so i have a copy of stable mediawiki on my computer right now
[21:16:27] <terrrydactyl>	 for testing out my extension
[21:16:40] <terrrydactyl>	 should i be updating this one and then continue testing?
[21:16:50] <sumanah>	 So you could go about things 1 of 2 ways
[21:17:05] <sumanah>	 1: you have 2 separate installations on your computer, one stable and one that's the BLEEDING EDGE
[21:17:50] <sumanah>	 people do this if they know that the installation of MediaWiki they are going to be eventually deploying to is a sort of stagnant installation that upgrades very infrequently
[21:18:07] <sumanah>	 so that way you can test both against the old and the new.
[21:18:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwalker; "(bug 1495) Enable message language fallbacks" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44224
[21:18:37] <sumanah>	 2: you just test your extension against the freshest MediaWiki code
[21:18:57] <terrrydactyl>	 hmm, okay
[21:19:03] <sumanah>	 basically, you just have 1 installation of MediaWik on your computer, and it runs off "git master" a.k.a. trunk a.k.a. head
[21:19:25] <sumanah>	 This is a reasonable thing to do if you want to make sure that your extension will be deployed on WMF sites 
[21:19:50] <sumanah>	 because WMF sites basically get upgraded every 2 weeks to whatever the latest code is
[21:19:57] <terrrydactyl>	 okay, do i have to go through the installation again or is there a way to upgrade it to the latest code?
[21:20:10] <Reedy>	 the same way you'd upgade any wiki
[21:20:15] <Reedy>	 replace the php files, run update.php
[21:20:20] <sumanah>	 I think she's never upgraded before.... ok
[21:20:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45183
[21:21:26] <sumanah>	 in order to replace the MediaWiki source files, you'll end up doing a "git pull" -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git  has more on that, terrrydactyl 
[21:22:43] <sumanah>	 is that helpful terrrydactyl? I'm sure also other people here will be more helpful.
[21:22:58] <sumanah>	 And if you mess up (as EVERYONE does, their first and second times), we'll help you fix it
[21:23:11] <sumanah>	 it's just files, sometimes the permissions get messed up or whatever
[21:23:38] <terrrydactyl>	 i don't think my mediawiki folder is a git repo so i don't think i can do a git pull on it
[21:23:42] <sumanah>	 Have you already been using Git, terrrydactyl?
[21:23:53] <mutante>	 brion: where should i put feature requests for identi.ca ?:)
[21:23:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45236
[21:23:59] <sumanah>	 right -- you can do a "git init" in the relevant directory to magically turn it into a git repo, I think!
[21:24:01] <brion>	 heh
[21:24:01] <terrrydactyl>	 i've been using git for my extensions
[21:24:05] <terrrydactyl>	 oh really?
[21:24:07] <terrrydactyl>	 let me try
[21:24:13] <sumanah>	 try in a test folder first
[21:24:29] <brion>	 mutante: the replacement for StatusNet will (eventually?) be pump.io -- http://pump.io/
[21:24:31] <terrrydactyl>	 i just pushed my code to review so if something messes up, i'll still have a current copy of my extension. thank you gerrit
[21:24:40] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: :-)
[21:24:43] <sumanah>	 have you heard of "stash"
[21:24:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: CSteipp; "Add flag to RenameuserSQL to skip username check" [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42367
[21:24:45] <^demon>	 git init, then git remote add to point it to the origin.
[21:25:11] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: at the command line, type          git help stash
[21:25:18] <sumanah>	 it's an interesting bit of functionality
[21:25:27] <mutante>	 brion: aha. thanks. forwarding that. a friend of mine would like to use RSS feeds from identi.ca but exclude certain users and claims that twitter has some "from:" feature to build feeds..etc :)
[21:25:28] <sumanah>	 "Stash the changes in a dirty working directory away"
[21:25:30] <terrrydactyl>	 stash is pretty nice. i've already used it
[21:25:36] <sumanah>	 oh ok
[21:25:41] <terrrydactyl>	 thanks for the tip though!
[21:25:45] <sumanah>	 :-) sure
[21:25:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Fixed check for general browser compatibility." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45237
[21:26:20] <sumanah>	 (my secret shame: I have never actually used git stash! gasp!)
[21:26:29] <terrrydactyl>	 ls
[21:26:33] <terrrydactyl>	 oops wrong windo
[21:26:35] <saper>	 using "git-review -d" twice on a dirty working dir will git reset --hard your changes without a warning :(
[21:26:43] <sumanah>	 hahah terrrydactyl I have so been there
[21:27:03] <terrrydactyl>	 at least it's not embarrassing! :D
[21:27:03] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: I know someone who accidentally copied and pasted a root password into a public IRC chat  (NOT someone from WMF)
[21:27:04] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon: Hey so Trevor tried to svn commit to lobbypop (in the Wikimedia repository), but the repo seems to be locked even though the project hasn't been migrated to Gerrit. Halp?
[21:27:16] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: oh no, that sounds terrible
[21:27:22] <sumanah>	 yup
[21:27:29] <Reedy>	 sumanah: that's hpapened here too
[21:27:33] <terrrydactyl>	 c&p is another one to be wary of
[21:27:42] <Reedy>	 with WMF
[21:27:59] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: retro much?
[21:28:07] <mutante>	 there is actually a package called "sl" that only exists because it is such a common typo, check it out:)
[21:28:14] <sumanah>	 If I start listing mistakes of the "oh god I'm glad someone other than me fell down that way" variety I will miss my meeting :)
[21:28:39] <^demon>	 Roan: I'm paralyzed with no WiFi right now. check /sunroot/wikimedia/conf/authz on formey 
[21:28:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: ?
[21:28:45] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon: Thanks man
[21:28:47] <Reedy>	 [/]
[21:28:47] <Reedy>	 * = r
[21:28:47] <Reedy>	 $authenticated = rw
[21:28:57] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: No ones touched that since around hte time I started!
[21:29:04] <jkk>	 ialex: back. i was saying, i have php already implemented on the server... i don't have anything of it on my pc
[21:29:24] <saper>	 mutante: and there is "sl" making nice steam locomotives, which you can't ^C http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~toyoda/
[21:29:33] <^demon>	 svnroot even. stupid phone autocorrect
[21:30:08] * terrrydactyl  is running git pull. crosses fingers

[21:30:30] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: here's a head-slapping mistake I made: http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2006/07/10/1
[21:30:54] <terrrydactyl>	 lolol
[21:31:09] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: the authz looks right. He is logged in, ssh'd...
[21:32:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[21:32:20] <RoanKattouw>	 He's now trying from his own laptop rather than the server
[21:32:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(DRAFT) JSDuck stuff" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45239
[21:32:53] <Reedy>	 fundraising are using it fine
[21:32:53] <Reedy>	 http://svn.mediawiki.org/viewvc/wikimedia/
[21:33:38] <ialex>	 jkk: this file in on the server ;)
[21:34:58] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: i was looking through some easy bugs and i was just wondering, do people usually just know where to kind of look for the bugs (esp the easy ones)? i'd imagine it would get easier once i get more familiar with the code base, but as a newbie, it's a bit overwhelming.
[21:35:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay, it's working now
[21:35:11] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll put in a request to have it migrated to git
[21:35:12] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: you already looked at Annoying Little Bugs?
[21:35:33] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: people usually use the links on the How To Contribute or How To Become a MediaWiki Hacker pages I think
[21:36:32] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: yeah, it is overwhelming :( this is why on the Annoying Little Bugs page we curate them and always say (or try to) "look at this file right here! here's what you would do to it!"
[21:36:45] <andre__>	 terrrydactyl: Do you refer to finding the bug reports themselves, or the correct place in the codebase where to fix?
[21:37:00] <terrrydactyl>	 more so where in the codebase to start looking for it
[21:37:12] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: here's one I think you might like to try out: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34798 see the guidance for it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug
[21:37:21] <sumanah>	 "
[21:37:23] <sumanah>	     Look at includes/FeedUtils.php (file) and at resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css (file)."
[21:37:30] <terrrydactyl>	 the bug reports aren't too bad to find. though some of the 'easy' ones look like you have to know a bit of what's going on.
[21:37:42] <terrrydactyl>	 okay, thanks for the resources.
[21:38:02] <terrrydactyl>	 i really like working on my extension, but i also want to contribute to mediawiki core too. :)
[21:38:14] <andre__>	 terrrydactyl: I see. I'm slightly afraid if people who set the "easy" keyword also located the right place already, they'd just go ahead and fix it right away. Locating sounds like half of the work.
[21:38:32] <andre__>	 but of course you have a valid and good point.
[21:38:51] <terrrydactyl>	 andre__: that makes sense. it's just that i haven't looked at much of the code so i 'm not familiar with where to go.
[21:39:10] <terrrydactyl>	 i suspect that people who contribute more will start to have a sense of where to find things. :)
[21:39:42] <terrrydactyl>	 also, i'm not opposed to go look for the files! i was just wondering if there was some resources out there.
[21:40:49] <andre__>	 terrrydactyl, same problem here (not too familiar with the codebase). I either use the search on gerrit.wikimedia.org , or my checkout of the codebase to search for terms like function names in order to find the potential places where things might go wrong.
[21:40:54] <terrrydactyl>	 it would be cool to have a newbie hackathon or something where people kind of just learn to get set up and fix one bug.
[21:41:31] <andre__>	 I think this has been done before, there should be videos out there, from getting developer access to creating the patch and getting it in.
[21:41:51] <andre__>	 somebody with a longer WM history might correct me or be able to provide pointers...
[21:42:23] <andre__>	 terrrydactyl, maybe http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_Hackathon_2012_-_Using_Git_and_Gerrit_(Patrick_Reilly).ogv
[21:42:44] <andre__>	 (but that's "only" about using the tools and infrastucture)
[21:42:54] <sumanah>	 we did some of that in DC
[21:42:57] <sumanah>	 at Wikimania
[21:43:07] <terrrydactyl>	 oh man this would have been useful when i was stumbling with gerrit, haha
[21:43:12] <sumanah>	 the Berlin hackathon we focused on getting people set up
[21:43:26] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: remind me who your mentor is so I can scowl at them for not showing you this
[21:43:31] <Lcawte>	 Berlin Hackathon git/gerrit talk was useful :)
[21:43:45] <^demon>	 Did anyone look at those gerrit training materials I sent out?
[21:44:12] <^demon>	 gerrit restarting. don't panic.
[21:44:13] <sumanah>	 at the Berlin hackathon, with preilly's talk, we solely and only focused on getting people set up with Git and Gerrit, and then had them submit a sort of decoy patch -- the point of it was to get the patch submitted, not to fix an actual bug
[21:44:13] <terrrydactyl>	 i don't want to get Dereckson in trouble. i managed to learn it, albeit with some stumbling. learning by doing (and making lots of mistakes) was pretty eye-opening.
[21:44:36] <sumanah>	 OK. it will be a mild scowl
[21:45:22] <Isarra>	 Eh, regardless of the documentation it couldn't sum up everything.
[21:45:24] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: at the Grace Hopper Conference's Open Source Day I also tried to help people get set up and fix very easy bugs or at least submit a sort of decoy patch
[21:45:26] <Isarra>	 Gerrit is a beast.
[21:45:51] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: Were you the guy who was a master at js?
[21:46:24] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: that's really cool. sometimes it's nice to have someone sit next to you and go through things. working remotely means it's harder to get some problems resolved.
[21:46:33] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: when SickPanda (Yuvi) runs events, he usually sidesteps Gerrit and has people commit to GitHub instead, trading off freedom & joining the WM tech community for immediate ease of use
[21:46:53] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: absolutely. How much screensharing have you done with your mentor? sometimes that is an adequate substitute
[21:47:02] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: you're overstating my skills
[21:47:06] <MatmaRex>	 but yes :P
[21:47:15] <terrrydactyl>	 i haven't done any screensharing.. 
[21:47:26] <sumanah>	 You should try it. G+ Hangout has that built in
[21:47:39] * sumanah  wishes that maybe in 2014 there will be a good FLOSS alternative

[21:47:45] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: One way I would like to kidnap you.
[21:48:19] <terrrydactyl>	 okay! i'll bring it up if i get stuck. usually it's a work environment problem which i'm hoping i won't get more of.
[21:48:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Timo asked me to look at the directory structure, which looks good to me." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45239
[21:48:38] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: we also helped people get set up and start contributing at a newbie-friendly hackathon in early 2012, in San Francisco -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/January_2012_San_Francisco_Hackathon
[21:48:39] <terrrydactyl>	 Isarra: I sense a thinly veiled threat. :)
[21:48:53] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: i saw that! i'm sad i missed it.
[21:48:58] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: understandable. You may wish to just get a Linux VM running and do all your work in there to avoid further problems
[21:49:30] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Imperfect, but partly free: http://www.bigbluebutton.org/
[21:49:35] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: i have a vm right now, but it's linked to my local machine through vagrant. i'd rather be developing locally
[21:49:50] <Isarra>	 Would it be a bad idea to add a TL;DR to the top of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Flow?
[21:49:53] <marktraceur>	 (I feel I've said this before)
[21:49:56] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: you can always host another one
[21:49:57] * Isarra  punches konversation.

[21:50:02] <Isarra>	 Flow, I mean.
[21:50:19] <sumanah>	 thx marktraceur 
[21:50:34] <kaldari>	 Isarra: glad to see you got the wireless working
[21:51:27] <Isarra>	 I didn't.
[21:51:33] <Isarra>	 I found a long enough cable.
[21:51:39] <kaldari>	 oh, they gave you a wire?
[21:51:41] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: the MediaWiki and potentially-interested community in San Francisco & the Bay Area is big enough to have a "let's learn how to do this" event.
[21:51:42] <kaldari>	 cool
[21:51:48] <Isarra>	 There were cables on the floor.
[21:52:13] <Isarra>	 I've generally had to scavange.
[21:52:17] <Isarra>	 Like a scavenger.
[21:52:24] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: yeah. the mediawiki-sf group is starting to send out stuff.
[21:52:34] <Isarra>	 Think I could scavenge a headset? Are there any of those up for yoinking?
[21:53:07] <kaldari>	 I have lots of random wires under my desk, right in front of my space heater
[21:53:21] <Isarra>	 ...a space heater?
[21:53:23] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: One issue is: it's kind of time-consuming to sit next to a person and lead them through the process.  And the majority of people who go through the process don't end up contributing to Wikimedia's technical community, as developers or testers or sysadmins or documenters or in any capacity.  It's nice to learn and teach, but in-person events end up having low return on investment in this way
[21:53:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "This invalidated dozens of jsduck structures." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43028
[21:53:46] <SickPanda>	 sumanah: i'll note that i've now completely switched to making people do only gadgets
[21:53:48] <kaldari>	 space is cold
[21:53:48] <Isarra>	 Then again, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
[21:53:50] <SickPanda>	 side-stepping git altogether
[21:53:59] <sumanah>	 SickPanda: that's a great idea
[21:54:03] <Isarra>	 Do you have a blankey?
[21:54:05] <Isarra>	 t
[21:54:11] <Isarra>	 Sorry, this keyboard is weird.
[21:54:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Improved concurrency of copyFileBackend.php with pipelined downloads." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45242
[21:54:23] <SickPanda>	 sumanah: indeed. And the js for gadgets (userscripts) is very similar to js for extensions anyway
[21:54:31] <kaldari>	 I need one of those full body blankets with feet
[21:54:32] <sumanah>	 SickPanda: have you already written a HOWTO on your approach?
[21:54:40] <Isarra>	 Yes.
[21:54:40] <SickPanda>	 i've notes somewhere
[21:54:43] <Isarra>	 You do.
[21:54:48] <SickPanda>	 sumanah: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/beginner-hackathons-thoughts
[21:54:55] <SickPanda>	 needs a bit more fleshing out
[21:54:59] <sumanah>	 sometime blog it, or put it on outreach.wikimedia.org or mediawiki.org, SickPanda :-)
[21:55:11] <SickPanda>	 sumanah: but that's what I used with harsh, sucheta used with her workshop, etc
[21:55:29] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45242/1
[21:55:35] <sumanah>	 btw SickPanda we have a new Etherpad Lite instance that is sometime soon gonna get deployed but for now is in Labs. We're using it for regular Etherpaddy stuff these days. check it out http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/p/Roadmap 
[21:55:47] * SickPanda  clicks

[21:55:52] <SickPanda>	 woooo sexier!
[21:55:58] <sumanah>	 It's less buggy
[21:56:04] <sumanah>	 and easier to scroll (i.e. not broken)
[21:56:09] <sucheta>	 I saw my name! Yoohoo
[21:57:01] <sumanah>	 SickPanda: looks good. slap that into https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Volunteer_coordination_and_outreach/Event_planning and change the conventional wisdom of how we run outreach tech events.
[21:57:05] <sumanah>	 Inreach is different
[21:57:32] <kaldari>	 Isarra: like these guys: http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz271/ine_563/gifs/snuggy.gif
[21:57:41] * SickPanda  mentions sucheta's name again :P

[21:57:47] <SickPanda>	 sumanah: indeed. 
[21:58:20] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: you might be interested in listening to http://inscight.org/2012/06/23/episode-27-ladies-who-learn-and-code/ -- Jessica McKellar of OpenHatch makes the very good point that we need to measure our effectiveness
[21:58:54] <terrrydactyl>	 ooh, i'll put it in my list of things to look at
[21:59:24] <sumanah>	 I want to make sure we're actually "moving the needle" (sorry for the buzzword) when we do events or other initiatives...  I try to do that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012/Retrospective  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/294896
[22:00:15] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Postmortem is another event retrospective in case you like digging through such things :/
[22:00:39] * sucheta  Blms at SickPanda 

[22:00:45] * SickPanda  blms at sumanah

[22:00:55] <sucheta>	 Really? 
[22:01:00] <sumanah>	 What is it to Blm?
[22:01:04] <terrrydactyl>	 blms?
[22:01:08] <sucheta>	 :D
[22:01:51] <sumanah>	 anyway - to sum up - design is the art of taking things away, prioritization is the art of saying no
[22:02:04] <sucheta>	 sumanah, Its kind of my invention. Its a sound you make with your tongue and lips. 
[22:02:06] <sumanah>	 and now I have a meeting with someone who has shown up :-)
[22:02:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45242
[22:02:21] <sucheta>	 Kind of useful at times. 
[22:02:41] <sumanah>	 ok! :-)
[22:02:43] <sumanah>	 bye for now
[22:03:36] <Isarra>	 kaldari: Would you be able to stay awake, though?
[22:04:07] <kaldari>	 No, but at least I would be warm
[22:05:11] <Isarra>	 Ach.
[22:05:15] <Isarra>	 I think we need you awake.
[22:05:51] <yurik>	 anyone out there thinks we have too many spaces as is?  if( a == b )  looks like a reasonable compromise... Please vote :)  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Coding_conventions/PHP#Control_structures
[22:06:29] <marktraceur>	 yurik: if isn't a function
[22:06:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Added Onionoo list loader and reorganized functions." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40291
[22:07:00] <kaldari>	 yurik: I thought this was decided a long time ago
[22:07:21] <yurik>	 kaldari: apparently not - the coding guideline say both can be used
[22:07:27] <yurik>	 marktraceur: yes, but stylewise i think it should be consistent
[22:07:31] <kaldari>	 news to me :)
[22:07:41] <yurik>	 there is really no reason to have two different styles for something that looks similar
[22:07:50] <yurik>	 aa( blah );
[22:07:57] <yurik>	 if ( blah ) {
[22:08:18] <marktraceur>	 yurik: The reason they look different is because they are different
[22:08:21] <yurik>	 lets try to minimize differences from all the other projects in the universe
[22:08:36] <kaldari>	 I am militantly agnostic
[22:08:39] <yurik>	 marktraceur: but why should we differ from the rest of the world?
[22:09:01] <yurik>	 most of the bracket-oriented {} languages don't use spaces like we do
[22:09:02] <SickPanda>	 spacing to differentiate them makes sense only if syntax coloring does not exist
[22:09:11] <marktraceur>	 yurik: Show me the statistics that say that the entire rest of the world thinks that if is a function, so that I may cold-call these people and tell them they're fools.
[22:09:16] <SickPanda>	 sucheta: still around?
[22:09:17] <yurik>	 totally agree with SickPanda 
[22:09:19] <aude>	 -1 for incorrect spacing
[22:09:20] <RoanKattouw>	 I think you're gonna have a hard time convincing people to change almost 19,000 instances to conform to the remaining 3,000 .
[22:09:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Which is basically why I'm in favor of retaining the status quo
[22:09:33] <aude>	 yet more nitpicking
[22:09:42] <SickPanda>	 what's the status quo btw?
[22:09:52] <RoanKattouw>	 if ( blah( foo ) ) {
[22:09:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Where blah is a function
[22:10:09] <RoanKattouw>	 perhaps I should've called it 'func' instead
[22:10:10] <sucheta>	 SickPanda, No. :D
[22:10:24] <kaldari>	 according to yurik both are currently allowed in the specs
[22:10:28] <marktraceur>	 yurik: Probably better to work towards it by just using your favorite method when you submit patches and try to convince others to do the same.
[22:10:50] <yurik>	 marktraceur: agree - anomie wanted to standardise on one
[22:10:53] <SickPanda>	 clearly the superior solution is to do i f (
[22:10:59] <RoanKattouw>	 haha
[22:11:33] <yurik>	 please add your comments to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Coding_conventions/PHP#Control_structures
[22:11:34] <SickPanda>	 actually, we should just do if< blah( foo ) > {
[22:11:35] <RoanKattouw>	 i f ( $ y o u - > c a n R e a d ( $ t h i s ) ) { ...
[22:11:38] <Daane>	 Hey. Does anyone know a guide on how to make info boxes such as the one on the right hand side of this wikipedia-page? http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige
[22:11:39] <marktraceur>	 yurik: But seriously I'd love to see statistics on this even if I'm going to ignore them
[22:11:50] <RoanKattouw>	 marktraceur: That link has stats
[22:12:14] <marktraceur>	 RoanKattouw: No, yurik claims that the entire rest of the world does "if( ... )" and I want to see his source
[22:12:27] <SickPanda>	 RoanKattouw: as a plus, the spaced out style also consistently mimics a buggy ASCII program that is trying to read UCS
[22:12:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh I see
[22:12:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Stats outside of MW
[22:13:08] <Daane>	 Does anyone have an answer to my question? :/¨
[22:13:17] <marktraceur>	 yurik: Exhibit one, http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html
[22:13:27] <MatmaRex>	 Daane: copy the template and the styles
[22:13:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 43804) fix docs in generateCollationData.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44734
[22:14:18] <marktraceur>	 GNU does some stuff different from us, but the thing we're discussing is supported in the "spacey" direction
[22:14:25] <yurik>	 marktraceur: not a good example - they don't have spaces inside the parentesis
[22:14:35] <yurik>	 if (foo)
[22:14:44] <marktraceur>	 yurik: We aren't really discussing that portion of the spec, though, since that's not up for debate
[22:14:53] <SickPanda>	 I'm unaware of any other project that has spaces inside parens
[22:14:57] <marktraceur>	 That was *definitely* settled a long time ago
[22:15:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah yes, in C it's common to write if (foo) vs. func(foo)
[22:15:27] <SickPanda>	 also, random git tip
[22:15:29] <SickPanda>	 git blame -w 
[22:15:35] <SickPanda>	 does git blame, ignores whitespace changes
[22:15:37] <yurik>	 i agree we shouldn't change all of it - pointless really, but we should try to minimize the rampant spaces imho
[22:15:47] <marktraceur>	 !infobox 
[22:15:47] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox
[22:15:48] <yurik>	 and the if( test )
[22:15:51] <yurik>	 is a good start
[22:15:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "done?" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44988
[22:15:53] <marktraceur>	 Daane: ^^
[22:16:21] <Susan>	 What happened to wikibugs? :-/
[22:16:38] <marktraceur>	 yurik: There's a good reason for the spaces, it helps the code be a little more readable
[22:17:00] <SickPanda>	 i f ( f o o o o o ( ) ) {
[22:17:06] <^demon>	 Susan: netsplit? had to restart gerrit-wm this morning
[22:17:10] <Daane>	 Thanks for the help, MatmaRex and marktraceur! :D
[22:17:19] <Susan>	 ^demon: Are you able to kick it? Otherwise, I can file a bug.
[22:17:29] <^demon>	 Nope, ask a root.
[22:17:41] <Susan>	 The fact that it requires a root to restart an IRC bot is a bug.
[22:18:05] <^demon>	 Everything on the bz box needs root.
[22:18:20] <Susan>	 Why is that?
[22:18:27] <yurik>	 marktraceur: i think an extra space before the first paren is not helping readability, but the rest of them - sure
[22:18:30] <Susan>	 Is it not puppetized or something?
[22:18:31] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: it's dead since yesterday morning at least
[22:18:32] <^demon>	 barely pulverized
[22:18:40] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: it's not puppetized at all, lol
[22:18:41] <^demon>	 puppetized 
[22:18:41] <yurik>	 because the eyes than have to tell these two appart
[22:18:54] <marktraceur>	 yurik: Well, then again we figure that your best bet is to submit patches.
[22:18:54] <Susan>	 MatmaRex: Not sure why that's funny.
[22:19:01] <^demon>	 stupid WordPerfect 
[22:19:04] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: it's a bunch of scripts running on mchenry, according to what i've been told
[22:19:08] <^demon>	 autocorrect 
[22:19:17] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: it's not even git-ted afaik
[22:19:18] <^demon>	 Dammit.
[22:19:19] <Susan>	 Just one script, I think.
[22:19:24] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: no
[22:19:25] <Susan>	 It's in Git.
[22:19:29] <Susan>	 wikibugs.pl
[22:19:31] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: the perl script just prints things to stdout
[22:19:37] <Susan>	 Right.
[22:19:40] <marktraceur>	 Technically, but puppet pulls it from SVN last I checked
[22:19:42] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: something else prints it to irc
[22:19:44] <Susan>	 And it uses an MTA or something for the mail.
[22:19:48] <Susan>	 ircecho
[22:19:49] <MatmaRex>	 i think.
[22:19:54] <^demon>	 anyway, ircecho always needs a root to restart.
[22:19:54] <Susan>	 Okay, two scripts.
[22:20:02] <Susan>	 That seems brain-dead.
[22:20:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "It is done, couldn't find any other hiccups." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44988
[22:20:11] <^demon>	 unless it's got a sudo policy or something 
[22:20:12] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: quite
[22:20:19] <MatmaRex>	 Susan: feel free to rewrite ~
[22:20:39] <Susan>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44258
[22:20:46] <Susan>	 > wikibugs missing from #mediawiki
[22:21:07] <^demon>	 ircecho sucks.
[22:21:16] <^demon>	 bleh.
[22:21:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Use wgLDAPPreferences rather than hardcoded values" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45246
[22:23:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45236
[22:27:01] <terrrydactyl>	 woo, got mediawiki-core updated. :)
[22:28:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45237
[22:37:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Use wgLDAPPreferences rather than hardcoded values" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45246
[22:37:26] <Susan>	 I miss wikibugs.
[22:37:54] <marktraceur>	 We all do, Susan. We all do.
[22:40:00] <svip>	 :o
[22:40:06] <svip>	 I miss my wiki being fast.
[22:40:12] <svip>	 Each page load is now 5 seconds.
[22:40:26] <RoanKattouw>	 The caches might take a bit to warm up
[22:40:42] <marktraceur>	 !performance | svip
[22:40:42] <wm-bot>	 svip: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/How_to_make_MediaWiki_fast> <http://mituzas.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/>
[22:40:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Especially if you have preferences affecting the rendering of articles that differ from the defaults
[22:41:04] <RoanKattouw>	 (My answer assumes you're talking about WMF wikis, Mark's assumes you're talking about your own wiki)
[22:41:19] <svip>	 RoanKattouw: I am talking about my own wiki.
[22:41:26] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[22:41:28] * marktraceur  pumps fist triumphantly

[22:41:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Then yes, what Mark said
[22:41:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed documentation errors" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45254
[22:42:45] <socomm>	 Hey guys my <ref> tag is not working is there something special I need to do in order to get it to work?
[22:43:11] <svip>	 socomm: You need the Cite extension.
[22:43:53] <socomm>	 extension?
[22:44:09] <socomm>	 oh, its an add-on i need to install
[22:44:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Working well in test, and it looks like the latest patchset addresses all of style comment from Alex..." [mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40291
[22:45:09] <socomm>	 svip: thanks
[22:45:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45233
[22:47:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Follow-up on I8b9ea913" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45255
[22:48:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45255
[22:48:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45246
[22:50:07] <svip>	 marktraceur: Hmm... now it just seems slower.
[22:50:13] <svip>	 I hope it is the cache building up.
[22:50:18] <wizardist>	 finally: http://cropme.ru/s/d/1/m/0943a169.png
[22:50:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add 'wgEditCount' to global JS vars" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45257
[22:50:27] <ori-l>	 ^ StevenW, Susan.
[22:51:05] <Susan>	 I think you should have to remove a variable to add one.
[22:51:13] <Susan>	 To balance the universe.
[22:51:27] <StevenW>	 The sidebar should work the same way. Remove a link to add a link.
[22:51:45] <Susan>	 wgBreakFrames looks like a low-hanging target.
[22:52:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Update extensions needed by labsconsole" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45258
[22:52:37] <Susan>	 No, Gerrit, I wouldn't like to view the entire file in my browser. I'd like a motherfucking ZIP file to be downloaded to my computer. HOW DID YOU KNOW?
[22:52:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Actually use this.nodeFactory and this.annotationFactory in ve.dm.Converter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45259
[22:52:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Add wrapper for Array.prototype.filter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45260
[22:52:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "[WORK IN PROGRESS] Add special types functionality to ModelRegistry" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45261
[22:53:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45258
[23:00:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 43915) Implement deleteEqualMessages.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43671
[23:01:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "* Rebased (resolved merge conflicts)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43671
[23:02:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 34477) Display cache info using SMW\ConceptPage class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44609
[23:02:54] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Testing_Non-Latin_Characters_Input_and_Behavior and I have got wikitech-ambassadors plus some key people in the loop for further improvements
[23:03:08] <chrismcmahon>	 reading that now, thank you!
[23:03:44] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, I deleted the two small pages related to that one, integrating everything in a single page. I hope you
[23:03:50] <qgil>	 are fine with this
[23:03:56] <svip>	 marktraceur: Heh, now my site responds... now and then.
[23:04:05] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: works for me, I appreciate the effort
[23:04:53] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, I feel your pain opening the way. I evolved myself that page structure after a bunch of edits. I'm sure this work is usefl to create new pages for new test events
[23:15:15] <svip>	 marktraceur: Amazing.  How quickly should runJobs.php usually perform?
[23:15:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Lalei; "moved javascript files under resources directory" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45263
[23:16:44] <marktraceur>	 svip: I don't really know, AaronSchulz might
[23:16:50] <marktraceur>	 svip: I just gave you a link :)
[23:16:55] <svip>	 Well, I am using it now.
[23:18:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Lalei; "(bug 14230) moved javascript files under resources directory" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45263
[23:21:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44725
[23:22:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44726
[23:23:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Swalling; "Just wanting to make sure the concerns I expressed on Jan 17 are still visible. Awesome to see this ..." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44376
[23:23:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44728
[23:23:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44727
[23:25:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwalker; "(bug 1495) Enable message language fallbacks" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44224
[23:29:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwalker; "(bug 1495) Enable message language fallbacks" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44224
[23:31:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "I have mixed feelings about the __init__ shortcut (you lose namespacing).  But it's more convenient,..." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44841
[23:38:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed documentation errors" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45254
[23:41:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "Code looks fine, though I'm not completely clear on why you got rid of iter_udp." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44965
[23:44:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45254
[23:48:35] <lalei>	 Hi All - I have a question about gerrit changes. Is it not good to have multiple changes for a same bug?
[23:48:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Move matching code from AnnotationFactory to ModelRegistry" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44729
[23:49:16] <svip>	 Hmm... 18 pages still appear on my double redirects list, but they appear all to have been solved.
[23:49:20] <svip>	 How do I make them... disappear?
[23:49:48] <marktraceur>	 lalei: It depends on the bug!
[23:50:11] <marktraceur>	 lalei: Care to be more verbose about your issue, then maybe we can help figure it out?
[23:51:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31875
[23:51:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "Looks good.  I like META_REV_ID and the tests." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45003
[23:51:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Move matching code from AnnotationFactory to ModelRegistry" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44729
[23:52:34] <lalei>	 marktraceur: sure :) im working on the bug 14230. I created https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/44376/ first. I just created another one https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45263/.
[23:53:31] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: is the second one actually part of the bugfix?
[23:53:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Wikinaut; "It does not work. Have you ever tried it on your installation ? " [mediawiki/extensions/OpenID] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42757
[23:53:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44988
[23:54:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44729
[23:54:33] <lalei>	 MatmaRex: yes
[23:54:49] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: as in, the code doesn't work without it?
[23:55:04] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: (then it should be part of the same changeset)
[23:55:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Drop name parameter from ModelRegistry.register(), use .static.name" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44730
[23:55:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Add wrapper for Array.prototype.filter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45260
[23:55:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Actually use this.nodeFactory and this.annotationFactory in ve.dm.Converter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45259
[23:56:14] <lalei>	 MatmaRex: i got that it should be in the same changeset. thanks!
[23:56:49] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: need technical help merging them? :)
[23:57:16] <lalei>	 MatmaRex: that will be great!
[23:57:54] <terrrydactyl>	 after updating my mediawiki folder to reflect the latest changes in core instead of latest stable, my web server is working super slow. any reason as to why?
[23:58:20] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: alright. let's lean about interactive rebase ;)
[23:58:32] <MatmaRex>	 lalei: start with `git review -d 45263`
[23:58:36] <MatmaRex>	 (this is the newer change)
[23:58:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44730
[23:59:32] <lalei>	 MatmaRex: ok