[00:00:16] No, that's his handle on Gerrit....maybe he doesn't use IRC? [00:01:35] New review: Wikinaut; "one question" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48578 [00:04:15] New patchset: Bsitu; "Add bundling function to Echo notification" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47612 [00:05:31] <^demon|away> marktraceur: He does, and that's his IRC name. [00:05:37] <^demon|away> In addition to Gerrit. [00:06:41] ^demon|away: Weird, my logs don't have him joining any channels, ever....though they might just not reach back far enough. [00:07:43] <^demon|away> I don't think he's on often. I'm pretty sure I've seen him somewhere. [00:09:07] You want Krenair [00:09:20] hm? [00:09:44] (Sorry, my IRC connection keeps dying today. I only see about half of the conversation.) [00:10:08] <^demon|away> Wait, what? [00:10:13] <^demon|away> Mind. Blown. [00:10:51] <^demon|away> Krenair: I had not connected your IRC handle with your gerrit & bugzilla usernames. [00:10:53] 03(mod) Allow different password requirements by group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44788 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:10:57] <^demon|away> Anyway, I think Ryan_Lane wanted you for something? [00:11:06] Alex Monk on Gerrit [00:11:09] Alex Monk (Krenair) on BZ [00:11:19] <^demon|away> Reedy: You confused me. [00:11:20] I wanted who? [00:11:27] I was looking for tyler romeo [00:11:34] I am so confused right now. [00:11:37] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:11:38] <^demon|away> Yeah, and then Reedy said "You want Krenair" [00:11:44] SOCKS [00:11:52] Krenair: you are also tyler romeo? [00:12:27] No [00:12:31] I'm confused apparently [00:12:35] I'm so confused right now [00:12:51] <^demon|away> Ryan_Lane: Krenair == Alex Monk != Tyler Romeo. [00:12:57] <^demon|away> And it's Reedy's fault we're confused. [00:13:03] * Ryan_Lane nods [00:13:07] Cause you weren't before? :p [00:13:25] <^demon|away> I knew Parent923893298892389 was Tyler. [00:14:04] I'm not Tyler Romeo. [00:14:21] Why not? [00:14:23] You should be. [00:14:52] <^demon|away> You'd be a lot cooler if you did. [00:15:18] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 +comment (10sam) [00:15:47] so much ridiculousness going on in this channel [00:15:56] Ryan_Lane: Welcome to the interwebz. [00:24:45] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[Database] Log transaction mismatch errors to the DB log." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48587 [00:25:31] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 +comment (10b) [00:26:17] Reedy's creeping senility. [00:26:45] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48587 [00:26:56] New patchset: Bsitu; "Add web bundling function to Echo notification" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47612 [00:37:21] New review: Wikinaut; "see my previous comment." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48578 [00:49:21] 03(mod) Mobile watchlist JS requests watched status for no reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44878 +comment (10Jon) [00:49:29] 03(mod) Mobile watchlist JS requests watched status for no reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44878 (10Jon) [00:53:34] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Fixed unmatched begin/commit in SiteStatsUpdate." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48591 [00:53:58] 03(NEW) Selecting configuration files depending on the realm of the current (bastion) server isn't always sensible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44889 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [01:02:02] 03(mod) 401 Unauthorized for min.wp's thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44872 +comment (10sam) [01:03:58] Reedy: hm? [01:04:09] AaronSchulz: ? [01:04:38] moo? [01:04:44] * AaronSchulz was looking at that bug [01:05:00] 03(mod) 401 Unauthorized for min.wp's thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44872 +comment (10sam) [01:05:17] AaronSchulz: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Swift/How_To#Create_a_container [01:09:55] Reedy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/min/thumb/a/ac/QRpedia_%28min%29.svg/261px-QRpedia_%28min%29.svg.png [01:10:06] 'mwscript extensions/WikimediaMaintenance/filebackend/setZoneAccess.php --wiki=minwiki --backend=local-multiwrite' [01:10:14] aha [01:10:21] I didn't do the others [01:10:34] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Add_a_wiki#Swift [01:10:43] I'll update [01:12:07] 03(mod) 401 Unauthorized for min.wp's thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44872 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:13:26] all done now [01:17:58] 03(mod) List properties sorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44880 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:28:17] New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48578 [01:40:37] Hi! Question about ...uh... wiki-formatting, I guess. [01:40:49] Is there a way to insert an "[edit]" link in any random spot? [01:51:00] <^demon> No_one_at_all: You could use something like {{fullurl:Some Page|action=edit}}, but it wouldn't detect the section number or anything. [01:51:16] ^demon that's what I was afraid of. Oh well. [01:59:37] 03(mod) Make domas' pageviews data available in semi-publicly queryable database format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 +comment (10pf2k-wlkn) [02:09:06] No_one_at_all: why do you want them in a "random" spot? [02:10:13] p858snake|l: well, we've got a bug forum on our wiki which is getting kind of long, and ...it would help if I could insert edit-sections inside every bug report without using an h2 or whatever [02:10:16] pour fauve, c'est un effet appellé hazy days non ? [02:10:21] w/w [02:12:25] 03(mod) Interwiki redirects via URL and other 301s are indexed by Google search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26115 +comment (10erik) [02:12:28] No_one_at_all: just for your information, Wikimedia projects/stuff doesn't rely only on wikis to track bugs. For example, there are in use: Bugzilla (MediaWiki), RT (WMF), JIRA (Toolserver). [02:12:56] This could be a signal a wiki isn't the best platform to track bugs. [02:13:07] Dereckson: oh, I know, but I didn't want to have to install another thing for just one forum. [02:13:15] But I guess it could be with SemanticMediaWiki and SemanticForms. [02:14:21] No_one_at_all: if they are using == or === for the headers, try adding _EDITSECTION_ iirc [02:14:33] 03(mod) Edit conflict handling is broken on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44360 +comment (10b) [02:15:32] p858snake|l: oh, ok! [02:15:47] 03(mod) Make domas' pageviews data available in semi-publicly queryable database format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 +comment (10b) [02:15:48] No_one_at_all: at the very top of the page [02:16:04] p858snake|l ah, ok [02:16:17] 03(mod) Mobile browser autodetection doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36894 +comment (10Jon) [02:18:38] 03(mod) Make domas' pageviews data available in semi-publicly queryable database format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 (10Legoktm) [02:22:27] 03(mod) Mobile browser autodetection doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36894 (10MZMcBride) [02:54:27] Hi all. Nemo_bis and I have been tweaking a tool for searching all of mediawiki-related resources at once (mw.org, code itself, irc logs, mailing lists, etc.) [02:54:51] Give it a test drive and let us know what you think! http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010768530259486146519%3Atwowe4zclqy [02:56:03] http://enwp.org/mw:User:Nemo_bis/MediaWiki_search [02:56:05] Bizarre URL. [02:56:13] Susan: it's temporary :) [02:56:45] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 +comment (10slowclick) [02:56:47] I get "Loading" and "Loading". [02:57:00] I figured I'd get some preliminary feedback from IRC before moving the page and posting it to wikitech-l [02:57:36] Oh, Ghostery is blocking the script. [02:57:38] Silly. [02:57:40] Susan: probably an issue of the url shortener? it loaded right away for me [02:57:44] ah ok [02:57:53] Google AJAX Search API is being blocked. [02:58:14] why?.. [02:58:35] Overactive extension, I guess. [02:58:41] It works fine in another browser. [02:58:46] :) [02:58:59] Maybe we should have a known issues section. [02:59:32] It's searching the Signpost. [02:59:34] Interesting. [02:59:59] The "Bugs" section is ... not Bugzilla. [03:00:03] <^demon> Susan: You like APIs for tools like BZ and Gerrit, right? [03:00:23] ^demon: Sometimes. :-) [03:00:25] <^demon> Enjoy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/rest-api.html :) [03:00:33] Wheeee. [03:00:41] <^demon> Everything documented there we support now. [03:00:41] I think the goal for the Gerrit API was to get better stats. [03:00:51] About number of open items, unreviewed, etc. [03:01:02] <^demon> Should be able to query most things via the /changes/ queries. [03:01:09] ^demon: Looks great, thanks. :-) [03:01:16] <^demon> You're welcome! [03:01:25] The upgrade went smoothly? [03:01:45] !gerritapi is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/rest-api.html [03:01:45] Key was added [03:01:50] ty wm-bot [03:01:50] <^demon> Mostly. Turns out there was a last minute regression. So we ended up deploying the latest master (as in, from like 30m before I upgraded) [03:02:02] Hot off the presses. [03:02:07] <^demon> !gerritdocs is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/index.html [03:02:07] Key was added [03:02:50] Not that I'm bored or anything, but I apparently have over 650 edits to en.wiki in February. [03:03:06] 03(mod) FORMATNUM at sewiki uses wrong character as decimal and thousand mark - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44805 +comment (10Siebrand) [03:03:24] <^demon> Ok, I've been roughly 14 hours now. It's time to not do work. [03:03:35] roughly working for * [03:03:42] Susan: do you think the bugzilla section should be restricted to bugzilla.wikimedia.org? The other results aren't useful? [03:03:59] waldir: I'm not sure there are any bugzilla.wikimedia.org results currently. [03:04:04] I think it's blocked by robots.txt? [03:04:15] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/robots.txt [03:04:17] Hmm, maybe not. [03:04:19] <^demon> Susan: Indeed. More evidence I should take a break ;-) [03:05:19] Susan: It doesn't work nevertheless: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abugzilla.wikimedia.org [03:05:27] it's a pity [03:05:27] Right. [03:05:30] ^demon: Autocompletion of reviewers is broken, gives internal server error [03:05:32] That should probably be fixed, yeah. [03:05:42] RoanKattouw: On submit? [03:05:50] No, on first keypress [03:05:58] Susan: I'll ask in #wikimedia-tech [03:06:09] RoanKattouw: Hmm, via the search bar? It seems to not error for me. [03:06:13] No [03:06:19] <^demon> RoanKattouw: NPE :( [03:06:20] Go to a change and try to add me as a reviewer [03:06:26] Ohhh, that box. [03:06:31] After typing "R", I get an error rightaway [03:06:39] After the first character [03:06:41] Then the rest works fine [03:06:48] <^demon> RoanKattouw: http://p.defau.lt/?aGwrnt9RllOu4UCOgmIt6Q [03:07:07] Seemed fine to me. [03:07:10] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46029/ [03:07:13] I added you to that. [03:07:18] Fun [03:07:49] That seems like a lot of comments. [03:08:19] <^demon> WFM too. [03:08:31] gerrit-wm seems a bit wonky. [03:08:51] I added a review, but it seems like the first line of reviews is the Patch Set number. [03:08:53] <^demon> I'll fix the bot tomorrow. Least of my worries. [03:09:00] Not that the comment snippet was ever really useful. [03:10:09] <^demon> I thought I disabled that retry-the-merge logic. [03:10:10] <^demon> Bah [03:11:16] New patchset: Se4598; "added new translation message 'articlefeedbackv5-timestamp-days'" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48599 [03:11:47] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Well, Susan and I can both add reviewers. Must be you ;-) [03:11:58] Bypass your cache? [03:12:01] Or log out and log back in? [03:12:10] Though my session got killed by the upgrade. [03:12:17] <^demon> Yeah, everyone's did. [03:14:22] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48576 [03:14:30] 03(mod) Mirror Commons annotation to Wikipedias - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38786 +comment (10jeremyb) [03:15:51] <^demon> I'm calling it a night. I'm braindead. If anyone spots anything, shoot me an e-mail. [03:16:07] 03(mod) Transclude categories and annotations of files from shared repository to local File: page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44471 (10jeremyb) [03:16:59] 03(mod) Show categorization on shared repository on local file page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18752 (10jeremyb) [03:17:16] 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960 +comment (10Siebrand) [03:17:28] Susan: I tweaked the search, now "Bugs" searches wikibugs-l [03:18:19] 03(NEW) Talk page comments disregard the user date/time preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44890 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [03:20:02] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 +comment (10jeremyb) [03:22:45] 03(mod) Please upload large file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44670 +comment (10jeremyb) [03:23:07] 03(mod) Upgrade Gerrit to 2.6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39589 +comment (10Chad H.) [03:24:35] 03(mod) Please upload large file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44670 +comment (10bugzilla+org.wikimedia) [03:26:27] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 +comment (10slowclick) [03:37:06] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48600 [03:41:00] 03(mod) No fallback for dynamic sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42746 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [03:41:58] 03(mod) Secure mobile site contains a canonical link to insecure desktop site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43771 +comment (10mgrover) [03:43:15] 03(mod) Languages do not show under certain circumstances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44081 +comment (10Michelle Grover) [03:46:48] New review: Spage; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48600 [03:49:44] New review: Spage; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48071 [03:52:34] does anyone know if I can use the dumpBackup.php [03:56:13] 03(mod) On-demand proxy scanning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8475 (10Legoktm) [03:58:17] 03(mod) On-demand proxy scanning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8475 (10MZMcBride) [04:03:22] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48600 [04:04:54] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48600 [04:07:22] New review: J; "Patch Set 3:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48116 [04:08:10] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48600 [04:22:27] 03(NEW) In Gerrit tab size setting has no effect after upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44891 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [04:27:38] New review: Santhosh; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48489 [04:27:39] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48489 [04:27:45] New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48071 [04:29:47] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 4: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48445 [04:41:40] Les tambours résonnent dans la ville. L'appel des gilles commence. [04:41:46] w/w [04:42:18] hexmode: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpBackup.php is the reference document [04:43:08] (see the sections Example and See also, they are the more relevant) [04:44:08] Welcome back harshkothari. [04:44:14] 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [04:44:19] Hi Dereckson [04:45:08] harshkothari: your code seems okay, next step will be the license? [04:45:14] yes Dereckson [04:45:42] Then, that will be done and we'll be able to test it at a larger scale, nice :) [04:46:07] for license I want only 1 hour to fetch data [04:46:56] * harshkothari start coding [04:49:11] Here, we've the tambours starting to call the Gilles for the carnaval. Tradition is each regiment go to the house of each member and awake him, then there is a breakfast with oysters and champaign. [04:49:50] Gilles = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:0_Binche_-_Les_Gilles_le_jour_du_mardi_gras_%281%29.JPG [04:55:27] 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960 (10Daniel Friesen) [05:01:28] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 4:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [05:03:41] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 5:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [05:05:01] 03(mod) Tooltips should appear on hover, fade away on mouseout (like with AFT) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28322 +comment (10nischayn22) [05:08:13] New review: Ori.livneh; "Patch Set 5:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [05:12:58] 03(mod) File [mwe-upwiz-queued] shown above "Remove" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43746 +comment (10Nischay Nahata) [05:17:05] New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch Set 5:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [05:31:19] good evening [05:31:30] why {{#switch:{{int:Lang}}| works for log-in user, but not for log-out visitor? [05:31:49] with &setlang=xx in the url [05:37:01] settling and uselang are different, you realize? [05:37:09] And I think {{int:}} uses the default site language for anons. [05:39:14] so we should use uselang ? [05:40:26] Susan http://wikimedia.ca/w/index.php?title=Projets/Mois_national_de_la_contribution&setlang=fr [05:42:25] Since when did we ever have a &setlang=? [05:42:51] Dantman whose "we" ? [05:42:58] who's** [05:43:02] ...as in MediaWiki [05:43:28] As far as I remember we have never ever used a &setlang= query parameter. [05:43:33] Only &uselang= [05:43:37] ok [05:43:47] the wiki is down anyway so much I can do [05:44:13] Dantman why would it work for log-in user then? [05:44:48] Amqui: Maybe the lang you picked was the user lang in their preferences? [05:45:10] no I,m toggling between languages work with log-in [05:45:22] but uselang seems to work for anon [05:46:30] (the wiki is back up btw) [05:46:46] plop [05:46:57] setlang is provided by (U)LS extension [05:47:00] thanks [05:47:11] ok so it doesn't work for anon? [05:47:42] depends on configuration [05:47:42] Heh.. I just found where setlang came from myself. [05:49:31] Nikerabbit: Any RL dev around other than RoanKattouw_away or Krinkle|detached [05:49:37] I know they added an extension so that might be it [05:50:38] 03(mod) raw watchlist editor isn't work when SMWatchlist is installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44697 +comment (10jeroen_dedauw) [05:51:41] Oh, Nike beat me. [05:51:54] s/settling/setlang/ * [05:51:58] 03(mod) EducationProgram pages load cached pages after changes are made - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43874 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [05:54:35] I think that module with &setlang allow mediawiki to use the default language of the browser, doesn't it? [05:55:17] 03(mod) Markers with labels not taken into account when scaling the map (googlemaps3) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40791 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [05:58:08] 03(mod) [SMW 1.8] Notice: Array to string conversion in ... SMW_SQLStore3_Writers.php on line 383 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42691 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [06:04:42] just one question, if Universal Language Selector module is not activited (so that's why setlang doesn't work), why would it work for log-in user? [06:04:52] activated* [06:04:56] 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 +comment (10federicoleva) [06:05:30] Amqui: If it works for logged-in users, it's activated on that wiki. [06:05:32] 03(NEW) Compatibility with MW 1.19 broken due to NS usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44892 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; () [06:05:53] Susan ok, so is it normal that ULS don't work for anons? [06:06:02] Hmm. [06:06:05] http://wikimedia.ca/wiki/Special:Version [06:06:10] Looks like you're not using ULS. [06:06:17] You're using Language Selector. [06:06:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector [06:06:31] yes I means LS [06:07:26] Universal Language Selector is a completely separate extension. [06:07:33] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector.git;a=blob;f=LanguageSelector.php;h=f141349f488f5766bd15d67500d3fe6577fa68e0;hb=HEAD [06:08:06] If you search for "$setlang", you can see what the code is doing. [06:08:17] > if ( $setlang && !$user->isAnon() ) { [06:08:32] That branch applies to logged-in users only (not anon). [06:09:41] ok [06:11:18] 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [06:12:48] so there is no way LS can keep the setting for anons? [06:13:46] Amqui: it's a bit tricky to get that to work correctly with our caching setup [06:14:28] the manpage says The LanguageSelector extension provides detection of the interface language to use for anonymous visitors, and a menu for selecting the user language on each page, for logged in users as well as anonymous visitors. [06:15:16] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [06:15:24] It does, but the functionality is turned off for anons at the moment because it is tricky to reconcile with our caching layer [06:16:54] New review: Tim Starling; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41000 [06:17:21] 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 +comment (10MZMcBride) [06:17:41] ori-l on translatewiki.net I see the infarce in the language of the browser for anons [06:17:46] interface* [06:18:11] Amqui: ULS is essentially deprecating LS [06:18:19] 03(mod) Change English Wiktionary favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44843 (10Nemo) [06:18:20] which one are you talking about [06:18:36] we use LS [06:18:52] 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia) [06:18:53] ULS is better ;) [06:18:57] should I suggest to move our wiki to ULS? [06:19:06] both support language selection for anons [06:19:21] ULS has good language selector + imes and fonts [06:20:33] New review: Ori.livneh; "Patch Set 5: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [06:20:51] if both support language selection for anons, it`s weird it doesn't work [06:24:08] argh, server down again.... [06:26:44] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [06:27:42] 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 +comment (10hoo) [06:28:03] marktraceur: ping [06:28:18] YuviPanda: Pong! [06:28:23] What up? [06:31:09] marktraceur: so I'm trying to help sucheta set up labs for ethereditor [06:31:14] marktraceur: is there already a project for it in labs? [06:31:15] Oh cool [06:31:16] or an instance even? [06:31:18] Yeah, there is [06:31:23] A wiki, too [06:31:30] But it's disabled because of spammers [06:31:33] ow [06:31:34] link? [06:31:40] and perhaps grant her access? [06:31:41] I'll add her to the project too [06:32:24] sucheta: What's your username on Labsconsole? [06:33:01] marktraceur, SuchetaG [06:34:19] 03(NEW) redirecting domain tartupeedia.ee to Wikipedia page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44893 blocker; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [06:36:04] Hm, it looks like you need to be confirmed by Ryan_Lane before I can add you to a project [06:36:10] If you're lucky he's still up [06:36:25] Ah okay [06:36:37] should she requrest shell access using the form? [06:36:59] Ryan_Lane: If you get to it, sucheta needs to be given the loginviashell right and added to the etherpad project. If not we can do it tomorrow. [06:37:16] YuviPanda: I don't know, actually, I haven't done labs requests under the new system [06:40:21] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10mflaschen) [06:41:32] New review: IAlex; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47448 [06:41:35] New patchset: Tim Starling; "Make pairs and ipairs work with frame.args" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40999 [06:41:41] New review: Tim Starling; "Patch Set 4: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40999 [06:41:42] Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40999 [06:42:35] marktraceur: ah, okay [06:42:40] i suppose i'll ask her to do it anyway [06:43:29] YuviPanda, Yes yes. Do ask her. [06:43:38] :D [06:49:47] Ryan_Lane: Hi, here is the request that I submitted: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/SuchetaG [06:49:50] 03(mod) Edit conflict handling is broken on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44360 +comment (10federicoleva) [06:50:25] marktraceur: ^ [06:51:43] sucheta: done [06:53:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restoring_a_wiki_from_backup - Particularly, avoid restoring a database backup from an older version of the software into a newer version; this will not work. [06:53:17] How do I upgrade from 1.10 to 1.20? [06:53:21] XML dump? [06:53:37] just upgrade? [06:53:38] What about images/files? [06:53:46] Well, no, different servers. [06:53:47] do a dump for safety [06:53:50] I have a dump. [06:53:56] how does that matter? [06:54:28] restore the dump on the other server, then run update.php [06:54:38] How does it not? One thing is that I need to copy resources from the old server to the new one... [06:54:46] Ok? [06:54:55] you could also just copy mediawiki across as well [06:54:57] Ryan_Lane: Thanks! [06:55:00] I thought the text on the man page was clear. This will not work. [06:55:01] then upgrade it [06:55:07] why wouldn't it work? [06:55:29] I do not know, I didn't write the man page. [06:55:33] or doc [06:55:36] you're just importing the dump into mysql [06:55:47] it'll work as long as you run update.php [06:56:05] restoring an old dump without running the update script won't work [06:56:09] New review: Spage; "Patch Set 6:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30637 [06:56:10] it's accurate as far as that [06:56:39] Ok, so update.php is the trick. [06:56:50] I'll try. I can just start over at this point. [06:57:14] all the update script really does is update the database schema [06:58:36] 03(mod) Upgrade Gerrit to 2.6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39589 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [07:00:15] What I did was to set up the new MediaWiki. Can I just drop the current wiki database and then import as per the instructions? [07:00:47] should be able to, yes, assuming you used the same passwords and such [07:02:32] No idea what the old passwords are. [07:02:43] I guess it's in LocalSettings.php [07:02:46] it's in your LocalSettings.php [07:02:47] yes [07:04:39] What would happen if I just used importDump.php to import a full XML dump of the old wiki? [07:05:04] Ryan_Lane: could you also add me to the etherpad project? [07:05:11] (I am sitting beside sucheta helping out) [07:05:21] New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch Set 6:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30637 [07:06:08] done [07:06:16] sweet! Thanks :) [07:14:18] 03(mod) Implement ACUX account creation interface in core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44628 +comment (10b) [07:16:05] New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch Set 6:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30637 [07:16:56] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48563 [07:17:54] 03(mod) Implement ACUX account creation interface in core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44628 +comment (10mflaschen) [07:18:01] Dereckson: Hi [07:18:07] Dereckson: look at this https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Twittercards [07:18:18] 03(mod) Implement improved account creation form for non-English Wikipedia Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43690 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [07:18:19] hey, just moved my mediawiki install from a mod_php installation to a php-fpm installation, and now all article links seem to just point to the index page [07:18:20] 03(mod) Implement ACUX account creation interface in core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44628 +comment (10mflaschen) [07:18:27] ie no internal redirecting is done [07:19:14] 'special' pages are available, I can also login fine [07:22:33] 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630 (10Matthew Flaschen) [07:23:36] 03(mod) Implement ACUX account creation interface in core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44628 (10Matthew Flaschen) [07:23:39] 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630 (10Matthew Flaschen) [07:26:01] 03(mod) Search box attachment off edge of page in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44635 +comment (10mflaschen) [07:28:10] 03(mod) Lockandhide should be logged in the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18060 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [07:28:48] ah $wgUsePathInfo = true; fixed my issue [07:34:53] 03(NEW) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44894 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [07:36:16] 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44894 (10Chong-Dae Park) [07:37:03] 03(mod) Review Extension:SignupAPI for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36225 (10Nemo) [07:37:06] 03(mod) Separate out and clean up account creation logic in MediaWiki core (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15700 (10Nemo) [07:54:12] 03(NEW) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [07:54:21] Web API, WebAPI or Web-API? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_API [07:57:54] sucheta: the link I was looking at [07:57:55] http://femalesoftwareeng.tumblr.com/ [08:02:22] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 6: Verified-1" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4051 [08:11:47] 03(mod) Version number shouldn't always use localized parentheses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40254 +easy (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [08:23:52] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 5:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [08:24:33] 03(mod) Comment or downvote if there is text before the PHP tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44875 +comment (10hashar) [08:28:50] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 6: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [08:31:40] 03(mod) Separate out and clean up account creation logic in MediaWiki core (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15700 (10Daniel Friesen) [08:32:34] 03(mod) Version number shouldn't always use localized parentheses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40254 +comment (10Siebrand) [08:37:44] 03(mod) Version number shouldn't always use localized parentheses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40254 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [08:38:59] 03(NEW) Item autocomplete removes highlighting upon hovering over suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44896 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:43:20] hexmode: ping [08:55:20] 03(mod) FORMATNUM at sewiki uses wrong character as decimal and thousand mark - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44805 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:00:00] 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156 (10Nemo) [09:00:41] 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks (move section edit links next to headers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729 summary (10Nemo) [09:01:33] hello [09:02:31] 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630 +comment (10Nemo) [09:06:20] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/194110 is still a problem, right ? [09:07:53] 03(mod) Add Divehi font furuma.ttf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42812 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [09:07:58] 03(mod) Reduce edit conflicts by either telling users to edit a section only, or to have better logic to treat paragraphs, categories, templates independently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41338 +comment (10Nemo) [09:13:57] 03(NEW) ULS keyboard button lingers after saving description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44897 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [09:23:22] New review: Ori.livneh; "Patch Set 6: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [09:23:46] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Patch Set 6: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [09:24:25] Somehow I am not being able to sign in to etherpad-lite instance ( I am added there). It gives 'Permission denied (publickey).' every time I try to sign in [09:24:34] Could anyone help? [09:26:05] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601 [09:27:10] 03(NEW) TextContent constructed with $text = NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44898 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [09:27:11] 03(mod) Bugs affecting translatewiki.net (errors from MediaWiki master) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39480 (10Nemo) [09:27:25] 03(mod) TextContent constructed with $text = NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44898 (10Nemo) [09:27:26] 03(mod) Notice given when TextContent constructed with $text = false should name caller - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41735 (10Nemo) [09:42:17] New review: Matthias Mullie; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48599 [09:44:36] sucheta: I think you wanted to ask in #wikimedia-labs, but really: what does your "ssh-add -l" say (while logged in to the bastion)? [09:45:24] saper, I can't even log in to basiton [09:45:39] Oh yes. I should be asking there, I suppose [09:46:59] sucheta: ok, so 1) double check your username 2) is your ssh agent running? when using windows, check pageant window, on unixalikes do "ssh-add -l" [09:47:44] saper: On linux. Is the shell-name same as the username in labs? [09:48:20] I think yes? let me ask ldap [09:49:15] sucheta: what's yours? [09:49:34] saper, The username is SuchetaG [09:49:57] ghoshal? [09:50:06] so use "suchetag" [09:51:33] also make sure you have ssh agent authentication forwarding enabled when going to bastion (either in .ssh/config or by using "ssh -A suchetag@bastion.wmflabs.org" [09:51:35] 03(NEW) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [09:51:50] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 (10Chong-Dae Park) [09:58:49] !short [09:59:00] aw no bots [10:00:32] * duh nudges gerrit-wm  [10:00:45] hm [10:01:51] 03(mod) Merge "globalblock" and "globalunblock" rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44792 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Legoktm) [10:03:31] New review: Hoo man; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48608 [10:04:07] oh right. [10:04:21] hoo: do i have to go through the entire file and remove every single message? [10:04:34] duh: The i18n one? [10:04:37] yeah... [10:04:42] you only have to remove the en message ;) [10:04:58] oh really? great :D [10:05:00] what about qqq? [10:05:07] nope [10:05:14] TWN will do all the magic for you ;) [10:05:21] translatewiki.net [10:06:03] :DDD [10:06:32] for some reason gerrit-wm isnt reporting that i posted a new patchset... [10:09:46] yeah its kinda broken atm [10:09:56] chad is going to look at it after he wakes up [10:16:48] 03(mod) Improve JQuery UI Vector button styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44855 +comment (10Michael M.) [10:19:53] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Ask] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48603 [10:19:53] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Ask] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48603 [10:20:04] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Ask] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48604 [10:20:04] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Ask] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48604 [10:31:14] hello [10:37:14] 03(mod) CustomUserSignup extension can't customize "MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29230 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:40:52] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:41:29] 03(mod) Can't use status as array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44887 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [10:46:05] 03(mod) Defines.php seems not to be loaded for maintenance scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34125 +comment (10aklapper) [10:49:36] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10Nemo) [10:49:49] 03(mod) Install RightFunctions MediaWiki extension on Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44886 +comment (10aklapper) [10:52:30] 03(mod) In Gerrit tab size setting has no effect after upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44891 (10Andre Klapper) [10:53:46] 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44894 normal->15enhancement; +shell (10Andre Klapper) [10:54:00] 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895 (10Andre Klapper) [10:57:20] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 normal->15enhancement; +shell (10Andre Klapper) [10:57:36] 03(mod) TextContent constructed with $text = NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44898 (10Andre Klapper) [11:03:23] 03(mod) redirecting domain tartupeedia.ee to Wikipedia page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44893 04BLOCKER->15enhancement; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:04:47] 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895 (10Chad H.) [11:06:02] Hello, I'm using 1.19.3 and I'm creating an extension that must know the dimensions of an image when being uploaded, but although the properties are there (mFileProps), it's set to protected and I can't read them from my extension. Any ideas? [11:06:43] Other than changing protected to public :) [11:12:59] 03(mod) Make Gerrit project list more discoverable and available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35510 +comment (10aklapper) [11:15:32] is there a way to get the result of "$this->msg('foo')" as a string? So it can be used like array('foo' => $this->msg('foo')); ? [11:15:45] :) [11:16:04] rigid, access it directly? [11:16:15] Platonides: how? [11:16:24] like $this->msg->foo ? [11:16:53] msg is just echo htmlspecialchars( $this->translator->translate( $str ) ); [11:16:59] so you could use htmlspecialchars( $this->translator->translate( $str ) ); [11:17:07] ahh [11:17:50] Platonides: that works great. thank you very much! [11:17:51] martinml, you can add a getter and send the patch upstream [11:17:55] you're welcome, rigid [11:20:22] 03(mod) Talk page comments disregard the user date/time preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44890 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:20:49] 03(mod) Add a subtle box shadow to the content div in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44854 (10Krinkle) [11:21:18] 03(NEW) Allow wildcard for project in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44900 normal; MediaWiki: Logging; () [11:22:05] Platonides: actually I just found out why it's protected, there's a getter but it's not inmediatly obvious, this'll work: $upload->getLocalFile()->getWidth() (instead of $upload->mFileProps['width']) [11:23:25] 03(mod) Reset button shall be provided for clearing user entries in dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20898 summary (10Andre Klapper) [11:24:02] those classes are a bit hard to navigate [11:25:16] :) [11:26:57] 03(mod) Send a cookie with each block? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3233 +comment (10Krinkle) [11:31:13] 03(mod) Search & Replace: Non-regex mode with regex characters like [^ ] fails in IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21051 (10Andre Klapper) [11:31:30] 03(mod) Search & Replace: Non-regex mode with regex characters like [^ ] fails in IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21051 (10Andre Klapper) [11:31:34] 03(mod) [Regression] "Edit on double click" is broken (mw.util.$content undefined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44522 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [11:32:14] 03(mod) redirecting domain tartupeedia.ee to Wikipedia page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44893 +comment (10jeremyb) [11:32:19] 03(mod) Link dialog should trim spaces from start and end of URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23499 04CRIT->normal (10Andre Klapper) [11:32:33] 03(mod) redirecting domain tartupeedia.ee to Wikipedia page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44893 (10jeremyb) [11:39:24] 03(mod) Bugzilla: Diff viewer broken (bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi is blocked, HTTP only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44777 +comment (10krinklemail) [11:39:40] 03(mod) redirecting domain tartupeedia.ee to Wikipedia page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44893 +comment (10aklapper) [11:43:24] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48610 [11:44:38] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48611 [11:45:05] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48611 [11:45:08] Regarding my problem when getting image dimensions from an extension, the method I mentioned before seems to be valid only when reuploading a new version of an image. For a new file I ended using FSFile::getPropsFromPath($upload->getTempPath()) [11:45:33] Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48610 [11:49:27] 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672 (10f.trott) [11:56:28] 03(mod) Gerrit needs a very wide screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36471 +comment (10federicoleva) [12:14:23] 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661 (10tobias.gritschacher) [12:19:23] 03(mod) 401 Unauthorized for min.wp's thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44872 +comment (10Iwan Novirion) [12:19:33] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48456 [12:23:04] 03(mod) List properties sorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44880 +comment (10Lydia Pintscher) [12:23:04] 03(mod) allow to change the order of statements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44678 +comment (10Lydia Pintscher) [12:27:27] Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "The issue has been fixed with a follow-up instead." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48456 [12:27:40] 03(mod) In Gerrit tab size setting has no effect after upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44891 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [12:29:52] 03(mod) Add Divehi font furuma.ttf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42812 +comment (10aklapper) [12:30:17] 03(mod) 401 Unauthorized for min.wp's thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44872 +comment (10bknliem) [12:39:54] New review: Raimond Spekking; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2 Verified+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48613 [12:39:55] Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48613 [12:40:55] New review: Nemo bis; "Patch Set 4:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47044 [12:43:43] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48614 [12:44:33] New review: Nikerabbit; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48614 [12:44:50] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48614 [12:44:59] 03(mod) Update ArticleFeedback (v2) on Hungarian Wikipedia to ArticleFeedbackv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44601 summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:48:41] 03(mod) Update ArticleFeedback (v2) on Hungarian Wikipedia to ArticleFeedbackv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44601 +comment (10okeyes) [12:53:59] hello, when i add more then five attributes (like [[test:::example]]) in page edit in smw, i get this: Notice: Array to string conversion in ...\extensions\SemanticMediaWiki\includes\storage\SQLStore\SMW_SQLStore3_Writers.php on line 383, can sb help me`? [13:02:01] 03(mod) Gerrit needs a very wide screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36471 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:07:38] 03(NEW) Grammar froms update for Polish language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44901 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikimediaMessages; () [13:12:13] 03(mod) Grammar froms update for Polish language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44901 +comment (10s.mazeland) [13:13:14] 03(mod) Grammar forms update for Polish language for Wikivoyage strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44901 summary (10Andre Klapper) [13:14:36] 03(mod) In Gerrit tab size setting has no effect after upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44891 +comment (10Chad H.) [13:14:41] New review: Tim Starling; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48482 [13:16:16] New patchset: Se4598; "Added new translation message 'articlefeedbackv5-timestamp-days'" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48599 [13:16:54] New review: Matthias Mullie; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48599 [13:16:58] Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48599 [13:24:21] New review: Tim Starling; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48615 [13:25:04] mitevam: hi! Happy Tuesday [13:25:53] 03(mod) Grammar forms update for Polish language for Wikivoyage strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44901 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [13:28:01] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48618 [13:28:02] Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48618 [13:28:45] New review: Leinad; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48617 [13:31:20] hi sumanah happy tuesday to you too :) there was a chocolate commercial on TV here where they were celebrating every day with chocolate and saying Happy Tuesday and Happy Wednesday...reminded me of that :) [13:31:32] ha! [13:31:46] Well my day is now happier because I've seen you [13:31:51] It's a nice way to start every weekday [13:33:02] mitevam: looking at your email [13:34:32] mitevam: mind if I answer some of your questions here in IRC? [13:35:20] sumanah yes please go ahead:) [13:35:53] mitevam: 9am-10am is a little early for San Franciscans but it depends on the San Franciscan. For instance my boss Rob can tolerate a few early meetings every week [13:36:10] Who specifically are you hoping can attend? [13:38:08] sumanah I don't have anyone specific in mind [13:38:47] sumanah but since the whole office is there I though some WMF people might be interested + I was hoping to fnd a time that will at least give as many people the option to as possible [13:39:55] mitevam: if you can go half an hour later that will help. [13:40:16] sumanah but if 9-10 is early for San Fran and its probably late for Germany, probably I should just give preference to Richard's comfort and try to video the presenation and send out later [13:40:26] reasonable [13:41:06] if you can go to 9:30am SF that's a little better. [13:43:31] New review: Tim Starling; "Patch Set 23: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38013 [13:44:23] ok lets see what Richard says , if starting at 6:30-7PM is OK for him sure [13:46:23] mitevam: ok [13:46:39] mitevam: so, re the AdSense thing -- When you say "restricted to one location" I'm not sure what you mean [13:46:52] you mentioned: Google AdSense seems to exist as an extension, only ads are restricted to one location [13:48:14] mitevam: do you mean 1 geographic location or 1 location within the UI? [13:48:39] one location within the UI [13:48:52] for what I can understand from the extension page [13:49:25] * jeremyb_ waves andre__ :) [13:49:36] Hola jeremyb_ ! [13:49:46] 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [13:49:47] sumanah http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_AdSense_2 [13:51:05] mitevam: I replied to your mail. Now looking at AdSense thing [13:53:47] sumanah ok thank you, I added the CSS extension to proposals :) [13:55:39] 03(NEW) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [13:55:43] ok. So, I don't particularly care that much about Google AdSense but I figured our enterprise-type/consulting/etc. community members do. I figure they want to know which of the MediaWiki extensions dealing with AdSense is the most up-to-date and complete [13:55:47] does that make sense mitevam? [14:00:14] New review: Alex Monk; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47448 [14:01:03] sumanah yes it does [14:01:24] cool [14:01:41] ok, I have a meeting I should get to; back in 30 min [14:02:12] oh geez, now that Gerrit's updated a bunch of the Gerrit HOWTO docs are out of date [14:02:14] *hide* [14:02:58] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47448 [14:04:18] JeroenDeDauw1: you pung me at 3:45 my time? [14:06:11] 03(mod) jqueryMsg should not parse plain messages as HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44459 +comment (10sumanah) [14:07:25] New review: Kipcool; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLexicalData] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48625 [14:07:26] Change merged: Kipcool; [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLexicalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48625 [14:09:04] 03(mod) Watchlist does not show when a watched article is added or removed from wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44802 +comment (10Anja Jentzsch) [14:11:05] 03(mod) Watchlist does not show when a watched article is added or removed from wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44802 +comment (10anja.jentzsch) [14:14:26] 03(mod) cannot abandon changes in gerrit mediawiki/core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37096 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [14:21:25] 03(mod) wikibase entityselector should find entities by their IDs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44823 (10tobias.gritschacher) [14:25:03] 03(mod) cannot abandon changes in gerrit mediawiki/core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37096 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:26:14] 03(mod) Send a cookie with each block? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3233 +comment (10tylerromeo) [14:28:10] 03(mod) A button on the page to toggle hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21119 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:31:01] 03(mod) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:32:36] 03(NEW) gerrit-wm does not notify abandoned change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44903 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [14:33:25] back [14:35:16] <^demon> sumanah: If we're going to overhaul docs, I think it'd be a good time to trim the docs down greatly and link to the official gerrit docs more liberally. [14:35:31] <^demon> We repeat a lot of info that's in the docs already, and linking means it'll always be up to date. [14:36:00] yes [14:36:17] I don't have time to do it this month [14:36:21] I'll file a bug [14:36:26] saper: got a moment to chat? [14:36:29] <^demon> Neither do I. But yeah, it's just worth noting. [14:36:43] <^demon> (for whoever ends up doing it) [14:38:10] 03(NEW) update Gerrit/Git-related documentation after 2.6 upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44904 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [14:38:15] ok, noted. [14:40:05] sumanah: it'll be announced today that I've been appointed to AffComm for 2 yrs - sounds like one of my "hats" will be offering developer volunteer's input on MW groups and such that come up [14:40:28] oh cool, thank you varnent [14:40:32] sumanah: I'll mention to qgil as well - but let me know if any groups pop up that you think I should connect with [14:40:38] sure! [14:41:26] the plan for MediaWiki's eventual takeover of WM-world is now one step closer to completion - muhahaha [14:41:31] oh wait - logged channel - damn [14:41:57] I mean the plan to open a popcorn vendor on every block (phew) [14:42:30] 03(mod) Hooks need updating to support --topic param - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44903 normal->major; summary; +comment (10Chad H.) [14:43:54] 03(mod) update Gerrit/Git-related documentation after 2.6 upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44904 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:43:59] 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1 (10Andre Klapper) [14:45:18] 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:50:17] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 +comment (10Butch Bustria) [14:50:20] 03(mod) Compatibility with MW 1.19 broken due to NS usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44892 +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1) [14:51:38] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 +comment (10bustrias) [14:58:01] 03(NEW) formatnum doesn't default to the wiki's content language for formatting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44905 normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; () [14:59:17] mitevam: http://docs.writethedocs.org/en/latest/writing/mindshare.html and http://docs.writethedocs.org/en/latest/writing/what-not/index.html might be of interest to you (and maybe to the enterprise community?) check them out [15:04:44] thanks sumanah looking :) [15:05:56] :-) [15:14:05] 03(mod) [ and ] shortkeys not working in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40640 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:16:04] 03(mod) Can't run Jenkins test on drafts changes on Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43807 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:16:20] 03(mod) Gerrit fails on IE 10 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41559 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:16:32] if anyone is interested in a presentation about http://www.blue-spice.org/ , please fill out the doodle at http://doodle.com/tvty9fymwk65fdf8 [15:16:59] 03(mod) Increase font-size in Gerrit search box to make it readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38667 +comment (10Chad H.) [15:17:33] 03(mod) Increase $wgMinimalPasswordLength - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25925 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:18:25] 03(mod) Default font size for diff not readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40941 summary; +comment (10Chad H.) [15:19:53] 03(mod) Watchlist does not show when a watched article is added or removed from wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44802 +comment (10Aude) [15:22:57] 03(mod) Patch sets in "translatewiki" repo are not merged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44848 +comment (10hashar) [15:24:01] 03(mod) Make Gerrit project list more discoverable and available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35510 +comment (10Chad H.) [15:27:51] 03(mod) Patch sets in "translatewiki" repo are not merged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44848 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:31:00] 03(mod) SpecialSearchTest / SearchOptionsTests should fail before gerrit 10432 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39374 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:32:22] 03(mod) Can't run Jenkins test on drafts changes on Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43807 +comment (10Chad H.) [15:33:23] 03(mod) Swap gitweb for GitBlit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38383 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:34:24] 03(mod) alternate change list row colors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38114 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:35:02] New review: Hashar; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47858 [15:36:28] New patchset: Se4598; "Bug 43492 - Add AbuseFilter-feature to auto-resolve feedback" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48631 [15:40:18] 03(mod) Include unified diff in gerrit email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35532 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:41:17] 03(mod) Include unified diff in gerrit email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35532 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:41:53] ^demon: can i edit commit summaries for stuff that is merged? [15:42:25] * aude put the wrong bug id in my message [15:42:39] <^demon> Nope. Changing the commit message changes the sha1. [15:42:49] awww [15:42:49] oh well [15:42:54] <^demon> Which is why adjusting the commit message adds a new patchset. [15:43:11] ok [15:43:11] <^demon> That's the same reason you can't have gerrit just add missing change-id's for you. [15:43:16] New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 40167 - Filename cannot be empty in SwiftFileBackend" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48632 [15:43:31] my patch is just on a branch, and i'll get it right in master [15:43:48] 03(mod) Filename cannot be empty in SwiftFileBackend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40167 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:45:07] 03(mod) Get Jenkins to rekey its secret - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44592 +comment (10hashar) [15:46:26] 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960 (10Nemo) [15:47:06] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:47:30] Warning: mysql_real_escape_string() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf9/includes/db/DatabaseMysql.php on line 450 [15:47:30] Warning: mysql_query() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf9/includes/db/DatabaseMysql.php on line 46 [15:48:03] New review: Hashar; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48247 [15:48:59] New patchset: Aude; "Update Wikibase" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48633 [15:49:40] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 (10MF-Warburg) [15:51:02] 03(NEW) mysql_*(): expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44906 minor; MediaWiki: Database; () [15:51:54] 03(NEW) ResourceLoader: Invalid argument supplied for foreach - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44907 normal; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; () [15:52:59] 03(mod) Add new usergroup "Passiver Sichter" (autoreview) to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44103 (10yoursmilie) [15:54:06] 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871 -shell +shellpolicy (10Dereckson) [15:54:30] andre__, can we please get rid of "You have to specify a comment when changing the status of a bug from UNCONFIRMED to NEW."? [15:54:40] 03(mod) Add new usergroup "Passiver Sichter" (autoreview) to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44103 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:54:49] Krenair, sure file a request in bugzilla against bugzilla [15:55:09] 03(mod) Jenkins should update submodules recursively - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44868 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:56:20] Oh, cool. You can edit commit messages via gerrit now [15:56:20] 03(mod) Patch sets in "translatewiki" repo are not merged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44848 +comment (10Siebrand) [15:56:38] New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48633 [15:56:40] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48633 [15:57:00] 03(mod) move tests from includes/normal folder to phpunit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44847 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:57:44] 03(mod) Add new usergroup "Passiver Sichter" (autoreview) to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44103 +comment (10krenair) [15:57:58] 03(mod) Change bcl.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44879 +comment (10dereckson) [15:58:44] New patchset: Demon; "Remove .php5 files from MediaWiki" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35171 [16:00:14] 03(NEW) Remove requirement for comment when confirming bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44908 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [16:03:05] 03(mod) Watchlist does not show when a watched article is added or removed from wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44802 +comment (10fur.hewiki) [16:04:12] New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 3: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35171 [16:04:55] sumanah i didnt get wht you said about IEGs too well, if they are not meant for engineering tasks, what are the meant for? documentation? research? [16:05:20] mitevam: Let's take a look at some of the proposals together [16:05:25] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG [16:05:40] Individual Engagement Grants support Wikimedians to complete projects that benefit the Wikimedia movement, lead to online impact, or otherwise serve our mission, community, and strategic priorities. [16:05:41] We fund individuals or small teams to build, organize, pilot, create, improve, research or facilitate something that enhances the work of Wikimedia�s volunteers and helps us achieve our vision of a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. [16:06:05] Your project might help teach people how to edit Wikimedia projects, improve access to references or media, address Wikimedia's gender gap, facilitate the development of processes or guidelines that support volunteers...or something that we haven�t even imagined yet. [16:07:07] (those are from the IEG page) [16:07:48] mitevam: Documentation and research are eligible. Outreach/content-gathering/teaching are eligible. [16:08:25] 03(mod) Add new usergroup "Passiver Sichter" (autoreview) to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44103 (10yoursmilie) [16:08:26] 03(mod) gerrit download instructions hide when you click them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35468 +comment (10innocentkiller) [16:10:00] ok i see, in short anything non-engineering that will help engage editors or improve quality [16:10:43] it is wierd that it never mentions on the page that engineering projects are not too welcome [16:11:21] mitevam: I wouldn't be surprised if the page got updated sometime soon. [16:11:41] I agree that it should have been clearer [16:20:15] 03(mod) Gerrit emails sent two months after the fact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38550 +comment (10Chad H.) [16:20:34] Hi all. In case someone is interested in SVG stuff, there's a community conference call of the svg-edit project, happening right now here: http://tiki.org/SVG-edit+2013-02+community+meeting [16:21:47] 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871 -shellpolicy +shell (10Nemo) [16:22:42] (the main topic is svg-edit integration in mediawiki for browser-based editing) [16:24:05] 03(mod) raw watchlist editor isn't work when SMWatchlist is installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44697 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [16:26:35] 03(mod) [SMW 1.8] Notice: Array to string conversion in ... SMW_SQLStore3_Writers.php on line 383 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42691 (10d3mon) [16:34:40] Thanks Waldir - is Harry in there? [16:35:21] sumanah: I don't think so. [16:35:28] 03(mod) formatNum doesn't default to the wiki's content language for formatting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44905 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:35:36] :( [16:35:58] I seem to be the only wikimedian there so far [16:36:07] brion was supposed to show up, apparently [16:36:16] can you ping him somehow? [16:36:44] Waldir: all I have is email, same as you [16:37:06] ok [16:37:38] New review: Anomie; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/php/luasandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41000 [16:42:43] 03(mod) Remove requirement for comment when confirming bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44908 +comment (10Thehelpfulonewiki) [16:44:03] 03(mod) Automatic hyphens to (localized?) dashes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1485 (10Helder) [16:52:49] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48637 [16:52:57] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48637 [16:53:28] sumanah you might find this interesting http://deindre.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/outreach-survey-report/ [16:53:30] 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871 -shell +shellpolicy; +comment (10Dereckson) [16:54:36] 03(mod) Add new usergroup "Passiver Sichter" (autoreview) to German Wiktionary (de.wikt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44103 (10Dereckson) [16:55:26] Read it. Thanks mitevam [16:58:14] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48638 [16:58:15] 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871 -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Nemo) [16:58:15] Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48638 [16:58:25] chrismcmahon - Hi chris. [16:58:40] hi rachel99! [17:00:25] chrismcmahon- I have done the special news feed feature in the cucumber format. Just so you know, there was a similar page _triage file in the features directory. How do you want me to get you the file? [17:02:43] chrismcmahon- It would also be good if I could get an email address for you, and I could give you mine. It would be easier to communicate back and forth. [17:03:00] rachel99: I'd remembered we had a start on a page_triage test, I'll bet yours is more comprehensive. Could you add what you have to the list at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Test_backlog#Backlog by editing the page and pasting? (Note: we're currently having some problems serving CSS on that wiki, the display may or may not be skewed) [17:03:54] chrismcmahon- Sure, I could do that. [17:04:35] sumanah: brion just joined :) [17:04:46] oh good! [17:06:06] New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48639 [17:06:06] ,chrismcmahon- Do I just edit that wiki page, and copy my text in? [17:06:06] Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48639 [17:06:39] rachel99: yes, under the section named "Backlog" (I [17:07:00] rachel99: (I'll be organizing that page a bit more this week) [17:11:05] hi rachel99 - how's it going today? [17:11:48] sumanah- Fine. Thanks. [17:13:26] chrismchmahon- I posted it. It doesn't look like it formatted properly. [17:15:34] [17:16:02] hey rachel99 - https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=QA/Browser_testing/Test_backlog&diff=prev&oldid=645081 You're unhappy with its formatting? [17:16:26] chrismcmahon- ok, a qa mail list sounds good. [17:16:41] * sumanah sort of dislikes the idea of Yet Another Mailing List [17:17:46] I added 
 tags rachel99
[17:17:51] 	 chrismcmahon: if there's a QA mailing list, please do NOT name it "wikitest" because that will just be confusing.
[17:18:06] 	 hahaha :)
[17:18:17] 	 03(NEW) Chunked upload 500 Internal Server Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44909 normal; MediaWiki: API; ()
[17:18:42] 	   Formatting looks ok now, once I did the refresh
[17:18:56] 	 03(mod) Chunked upload 500 Internal Server Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44909  +comment (10M8R-udfkkf)
[17:19:29] 	 03(mod) Chunked upload 500 Internal Server Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44909  +comment (10M8R-udfkkf)
[17:19:33] 	 rachel99: you might also want to use the "preview" button when you edit a wiki page -- see that it's ok before you hit Save.
[17:20:00] 	 sumanah- Ok.  I will do that
[17:20:29] 	 03(mod) Remove requirement for comment when confirming bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44908  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:21:28] 	 so rachel99 as I recall you wanted to learn how to do browser tests all the way from the spec to the code, yes? 
[17:21:28] 	 03(mod) Remove requirement for comment when confirming bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44908  +comment (10aklapper)
[17:21:44] 	 chrismcmahon- yes , I would!
[17:22:46] 	 rachel99:  so now if you're up for learning some new things I'd like to point you to some documentation about how to use the git code repository and our gerrit code review system...
[17:23:04] 	 sure!
[17:23:29] 	 chrismcmahon - sure, I'm interested
[17:23:36] 	 03(mod) Add Divehi font furuma.ttf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42812  +comment (10aklapper)
[17:24:14] 	 rachel99:  what operating system are you using? 
[17:24:55] 	 chrismcmahon-  I'm on Windows XP,  I have Ruby installed already and the Ruby gems
[17:25:36] 	 03(mod) Gerrit fails on IE 10 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41559  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[17:26:57] 	 rachel99: take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow and see if you can install git on your Windows
[17:27:31] 	 rachel99:  you
[17:28:00] 	 chrismmcmahon- Ok.  I have worked a little with Git before, so it is not completely new to me.
[17:28:12] 	 rachel99: you're working toward being able to issue the command "git clone ssh://rachel99@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/qa/browsertests" and have it work. 
[17:28:56] 	 (or whatever the Windows equivalent is)
[17:29:14] 	 chrismcmahon- So that would clone the repository to my machine?
[17:30:14] 	 rachel99: yes.  /qa/browsertests is the whole repo that you see at https://github.com/wikimedia/qa-browsertests, but the github view is just a mirror.  To actually work with that code you need to be able to talk to gerrit. 
[17:31:16] 	 chrismcmahon- OK.  I see.
[17:32:05] 	 sumanah: just came home, I'm around but packing stuff for tomorrow
[17:32:26] 	 rachel99: Once you can clone the repo from gerrit we'll be ready to take next steps.  Feel free to ask questions here if anything goes haywire, or doesn't make sense. 
[17:32:27] 	 saper: going on a teip?
[17:33:07] 	 sumanah: yes, "Internet 2013" http://www.osce.org/event/internet2013 starts tomorrow evening in Vienna
[17:33:36] 	 Cool! looking
[17:33:42] 	 chrismcmahon- Ok.  I will do it.   Anything else I should look at?
[17:33:50] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 8: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46947
[17:34:08] 	 rachel99: that's probably enough for now.  when you can clone the repo is when we can really dig into the technical stuff. 
[17:34:12] 	 saper: that's pretty neat. Are you planning on speaking, listening, reporting back to us ....?
[17:34:24] 	 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/64076
[17:34:31] 	 hashar: is there a non-voting check for 101+ char lines?
[17:34:34] 	 (in php)
[17:34:44] 	 AaronSchulz: code sniffer has one I think
[17:34:47] 	 saper: might just be you (from the Wikimedia community)
[17:34:48] 	 chrismcmahon- Cool.    I will talk to you next time then.
[17:34:48] 	 not sure if it is enabled
[17:34:50] 	 sumanah: I will be reporting to Wikimedia Poland for sure, so probably something in English can be done too
[17:35:05] 	 saper: makes sense!
[17:35:16] 	 hashar: would be nice :)
[17:35:19] 	 this is driving me crazy
[17:35:44] 	 AaronSchulz: the Sniff code is  Generic.Files.LineLength   I have disabled it in our setup cause we have toooons of long lines in our code
[17:35:48] 	 sumanah: at least @saperski :)
[17:35:55] 	 True.
[17:36:03] 	 hashar: well, it could be non-voting :)
[17:36:07] 	 AaronSchulz: you could probably run it using something like:    phpcs -v --standard=Generic --Sniffs=Generic.Files.LineLength  phase3
[17:36:21] 	 I just don't want new code to keep adding them
[17:36:34] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48644
[17:36:35] 	 sumanah: can we talk in ca. 1 hour? around 1830UTC
[17:36:48] 	 or later
[17:36:48] 	 AaronSchulz: I will probably end up having two jobs for phpcs.  One that votes on code sniffer errors, another that does not vote and show errors + warnings
[17:37:07] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48644
[17:37:43] 	 03(mod) Chunked upload 500 Internal Server Error for Commons API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44909  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:38:03] 	 http://tiki.org/SVG-edit+2013-02+community+meeting <-- community conference call of the svg-edit project about mediawiki integration, for on-wiki svg editing, happening wight now
[17:38:43] 	 Waldir: pity can't join, as I edit most svgs by hand in vi :)
[17:38:44] 	 AaronSchulz: anyway, I have setup CodeSniffer without really thinking about it. So be bold, feel free to fix existing issues and or amend the ruleset for the MediaWiki standard in mediawiki/tools/codesniffer.git
[17:39:25] 	 saper: one of the things I like about svg-edit is that it doesn't add a bunch of tags like inkscape does :)
[17:39:37] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48632
[17:39:38] 	 saper: I'll be busy, I'm sorry
[17:39:40] 	 AaronSchulz: daughter awake, I am out again
[17:39:46] 	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48591/
[17:39:46] 	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48644
[17:39:52] 	 sumanah: no problem, I'll be later on the IRC meeting so anytime really
[17:39:55] 	 ok!
[17:39:55] 	 03(mod) Allow wildcard for project in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44900  normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper)
[17:40:02] 	 I also do attempt to reply to email :)
[17:40:23] 	 for instance just now I saw in the https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l Wikimedia India mailing list that there's a woman named Sumana improving Sanskrit content on Wikipedia
[17:40:25] 	 Waldir: inkscape's save as clean SVG is not that bad
[17:40:32] 	 great
[17:41:31] 	 saper: still, it formats code the way it thinks is right. editing a hand-coded svg would remove alignment, etc
[17:41:41] 	 change order of attributes...
[17:43:13] 	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48632
[17:44:07] 	 New review: Anomie; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48615
[17:44:31] 	 03(mod) Chunked upload 500 Internal Server Error for Commons API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44909  +comment (10M8R-udfkkf)
[17:44:36] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48591
[17:44:39] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48591
[17:48:36] 	 03(mod) Gerrit statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37463  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:49:27] 	 hi. any developers around?
[17:49:46] 	 Waldir: it's not that bad, I sometimes go inkscape->vi->inkscape->vi :)
[17:49:50] 	 Bogdan_, maybe - just ask :)
[17:50:11] 	 New review: Platonides; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48615
[17:50:49] 	 Bogdan_: yes, around you
[17:51:46] 	 I propose that the HD resolution (1920×1080) to be added as a default download resolution to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgImageLimits 
[17:52:02] 	 the array has not been keeping up with the increase in screen resolutions. :)
[17:52:37] 	 Bogdan_, could you file an enhancement request in bugzilla.wikimedia.org for that? To make sure it doesn't get lost
[17:52:46] 	 andre__, ok :)
[17:53:23] 	 Bogdan_, maybe this is already covered by https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16081 ?
[17:53:39] 	 yeah, looks like
[17:54:07] 	 yup
[17:54:13] 	 03(mod) Increase $wgMinimalPasswordLength - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25925  (10Helder)
[17:54:22] 	 03(mod) New extension to enforce minimum password strength. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16435  (10Helder)
[17:56:30] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48646
[17:57:01] 	 03(mod) Add widescreen resolutions to Image size limits for file description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16081  +comment (10Bogdan Giuşcă)
[17:58:38] 	 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960  +comment (10matma.rex)
[17:58:42] 	 AaronSchulz: hi, are you still working on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40178#c7 ? Wondering how to interpret the last comment (asking as it's assigned to you && has immediate prio set)
[17:58:44] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48646
[17:59:27] 	 andre__: sounds like some bug where the file but not the page was stored on upload for some time in the past
[17:59:51] 	 from the report alone, it's not really immediate priority
[18:00:22] 	 AaronSchulz: Thanks for explaining. Would you go ahead and decrease prio, or shall I?
[18:00:36] 	 you can if you want
[18:01:39] 	 ok
[18:04:40] 	 New review: Wikinaut; "Patch Set 3: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48578
[18:05:42] 	 03(mod) Allow different password requirements by group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44788  (10Helder)
[18:07:15] 	 03(NEW) Special:Browse should respect interface language for number display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44910 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; ()
[18:08:27] 	 03(mod) Data loss: File pages without revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40178  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:10:07] 	 03(mod) Implement ACUX account creation interface in core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44628  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:10:12] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:11:05] 	 03(mod) Tooltips should appear on hover, fade away on mouseout (like with AFT) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28322  +comment (10rkaldari)
[18:12:21] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "Patch Set 3:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48563
[18:14:35] 	 03(mod) jQuery color button classes (ui-button-blue, ...) in Vector don't show focus and active state properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37743  summary (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:14:35] 	 03(mod) Vector skin & extension issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44881  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:14:36] 	 03(mod) Improve JQuery UI Vector button styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44855  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:15:55] 	 New review: Kaldari; "Patch Set 6:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48601
[18:16:20] 	 03(mod) No red X and green tick in section "Review Requests for " on My Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36526  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[18:16:34] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 3: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48563
[18:18:48] 	 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960  +comment (10massaf)
[18:20:51] 	 03(mod) Integrate Firefogg in the Commons Upload Wizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42733  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[18:21:26] 	 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960  +comment (10matma.rex)
[18:21:26] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48649
[18:22:58] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48649
[18:23:07] 	 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[18:26:42] 	 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871  +comment (10dereckson)
[18:28:18] 	 03(mod) Arbitrary userjs- preferences should be shown in the GUI, with the possibility of clearing them one-by-one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43960  +comment (10massaf)
[18:28:49] 	 03(mod) jQuery color button classes (ui-button-blue, ...) in Vector don't show focus and active state properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37743  (10MZMcBride)
[18:29:16] 	 Hi friends, I'm the manager of a mediawiki and we've been attacked by spam bots. I want to know if i can just delete the created pages on the database or it will cause problems to me?
[18:29:22] 	 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871  -shell +shellpolicy; +comment (10Dereckson)
[18:30:16] 	 03(NEW) ChangeNotification failed to load deleted revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44911 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[18:31:01] 	 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156  +comment (10James Forrester)
[18:31:19] 	 !e Nuke | diraol
[18:31:19] 	 diraol: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[18:31:29] 	 diraol: using this extension is a much better idea :)
[18:31:53] 	 MatmaRex: thanks! I can use it to remove "revisions" also? Or just "articles"?
[18:33:30] 	 diraol: no, just articles
[18:33:52] 	 MatmaRex: And to remove spambots editions, any suggestion?
[18:35:20] 	 diraol: best i can recommend is some browser extension to open multiple links at once in separate tabs, and use in on the rollback links on recent changes / in spambot's contributions :)
[18:35:52] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48653
[18:35:57] 	 diraol: (assuming you don't want to get coding, this could be done using the API)
[18:35:58] 	 !api
[18:35:59] 	 The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at < https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API >. For client libraries in various languages, see < https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code >.
[18:36:01] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 3:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48578
[18:36:29] 	 MatmaRex: Thanks for you help and attention, i'll see what can i do.
[18:37:29] 	 This wiki is on a "slow speed", with few users editing, so i think i'll search for the "good edits" and then apply them on a restored backup i have...
[18:37:39] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48653
[18:38:04] 	 03(NEW) No search box appears on landing page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44912 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ZeroRatedMobileAccess; ()
[18:38:26] 	 03(mod) No search box appears on landing page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44912  (10Dan Foy)
[18:40:56] 	 New review: Mwalker; "Patch Set 9: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44224
[18:40:56] 	 03(mod) FLAC audio should not be in playable sources if not supported by browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43249  (10Jan Gerber)
[18:41:09] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48654
[18:41:15] 	 03(mod) FLAC audio support via TimedMediaHandler (transcode to oga) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32103  (10Jan Gerber)
[18:42:38] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48654
[18:42:42] 	 03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13206  +comment (10jgerber)
[18:43:22] 	 03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13206  (10Jan Gerber)
[18:46:50] 	 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156  +comment (10federicoleva)
[18:46:59] 	 03(mod) alternate change list row colors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38114  +comment (10hashar)
[18:47:29] 	 03(mod) Improve message source fallback flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1495  (10James Alexander)
[18:49:28] 	 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871  +comment (10s.mazeland)
[18:51:06] 	 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156  +comment (10matma.rex)
[18:51:34] 	 uh
[18:51:40] 	 what is E2? and what's its relation to E3?
[18:52:15] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10swalling)
[18:52:42] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2 Verified+2" [translatewiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48657
[18:52:42] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48657
[18:59:44] 	 03(NEW) Document deployment step by step on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44913 major; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[18:59:53] 	 New review: Adamw; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48577
[18:59:53] 	 Change merged: Adamw; [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48577
[19:01:59] 	 03(mod) Vector EditWarning breaks page caching. Edits get erased when navigating back and forth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22680  +comment (10Cacycle)
[19:09:48] 	 I knew I should have made a note of this bot command...
[19:09:54] 	 !class ResourceWrapper
[19:09:54] 	 See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classResourceWrapper.html
[19:10:03] 	 Yay, remembered it.
[19:10:20] 	 03(NEW) wrong feedback links in log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44914 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[19:10:26] 	 ....aaaand it's a 404.
[19:11:06] 	 ...because I had the class name wrong. nvm...
[19:11:15] 	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classResultWrapper.html
[19:19:49] 	 03(mod) wrong feedback links in log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44914  +comment (10wikipedia)
[19:28:26] 	 03(mod) Allow wildcard for project in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44900  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[19:31:59] 	 New review: Anomie; "Patch Set 24:" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38013
[19:40:24] 	 03(mod) Allow wildcard for project in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44900  +comment (10krenair)
[19:42:37] 	 03(mod) Allow wildcard for project in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44900  +comment (10krenair)
[19:43:04] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48661
[19:43:34] 	 New review: Anomie; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48615
[19:47:43] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48660
[19:52:33] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48665
[19:54:09] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48665
[19:54:34] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48666
[19:56:26] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48666
[19:57:03] 	 @notify Krinkle
[19:57:03] 	 I will notify you, when I see Krinkle around here
[19:57:13] 	 03(NEW) EditPage.php assumes mediawiki.action.edit module present (breaks mobile) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44915 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; ()
[19:57:34] 	 03(mod) EditPage.php assumes mediawiki.action.edit module present (breaks mobile) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44915  (10Jon)
[19:59:23] 	 03(mod) EditPage.php assumes mediawiki.action.edit module present (breaks mobile) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44915  (10Jon)
[19:59:28] 	 No more "there's a problem with this change, please improve"? lol
[19:59:46] 	 Vulpix: at last
[20:00:41] 	 Vulpix: oh by the way, do you want to do some reviewing? i've got a wide choice... https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Matmarex+status:open,n,z ;)
[20:03:27] 	 uh, I'm busy right now, there are some important news that I need to cover up!
[20:03:33] 	 New review: Matmarex; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48033
[20:07:25] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patch Set 3:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31321
[20:17:11] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48671
[20:18:00] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10mflaschen)
[20:18:08] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48672
[20:18:11] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48672
[20:18:53] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48671
[20:23:18] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48234
[20:23:45] 	 New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch Set 10:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4055
[20:24:03] 	 New review: Reedy; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48234
[20:24:36] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [wiktionary/anagrimes] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48694
[20:25:01] 	 New review: Demon; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [wiktionary/anagrimes] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48694
[20:25:45] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48234
[20:26:20] 	 03(mod) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:28:34] 	 New review: Lupo; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39513
[20:29:16] 	 Change merged: Demon; [wiktionary/anagrimes] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48694
[20:34:34] 	 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895  +comment (10hashar)
[20:39:09] 	 03(mod) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:42:52] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48608
[20:43:28] 	 03(mod) Gerrit commit message font is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44895  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:51:41] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "parameter "new window" for formlink, forminput, queryformlink" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48734
[20:51:49] 	 anomie: Hiya!  is now a good time to talk about conferences?
[20:51:58] 	 sumanah- Sure
[20:52:10] 	 03(NEW) Install Page Curation on et.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44916 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; ()
[20:52:53] 	 anomie: so, here's my thinking:  there's Amsterdam (May), Open Source Bridge (June), and Wikimania in Hong Kong (August).  Which of those are you most interested in attending?  the first 2, right?
[20:53:20] 	 sumanah- Sounds right
[20:53:44] 	  [  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013  http://opensourcebridge.org/  https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_page  ]
[20:53:59] 	 03(mod) Hooks need updating to support --topic param - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44903  +comment (10Chad H.)
[20:54:46] 	 OK. So, in your opinion, do you think the crowd that is going to the Amsterdam event will want to learn to use Scribunto, Lua, TemplateSandbox, and/or similar stuff?
[20:55:12] 	 I think the answer is yes, but maybe you have some more detailed thoughts on what specifically people might want to learn or ask
[20:55:21] 	 03(mod) Make check-vars.php code-utils script compliant with modern dl() behavior. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43779  +comment (10dereckson)
[20:56:00] 	 03(NEW) Merging users fails to merge edit counts. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44917 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UserMerge; ()
[20:56:41] 	 sumanah- I think that sounds right. Amsterdam will probably want to be a little more about "here's how you use this", while I'd think the OSB would be more "here's how/why we did this"
[20:57:38] 	 anomie: that makes sense.  So, I was thinking that maybe in Amsterdam you could lead a tutorial showing people how to actually port templates into Lua, and how to use TemplateSandbox to check
[20:57:45] 	 is that a reasonable idea?
[20:58:27] 	 sumanah- Yeah, that could work.
[20:58:47] 	 If you have doubts, now is a good time to share them so we can iterate
[20:59:34] 	 03(NEW) Gadgets now leak into mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44918 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[20:59:38] 	 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871  +comment (10federicoleva)
[21:00:39] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 5: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/SecureSessions] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44528
[21:00:39] 	 Change merged: Parent5446; [mediawiki/extensions/SecureSessions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44528
[21:01:21] 	 sumanah- not "doubts" so much as "ahhh! run and hide!"
[21:01:49] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/SecureSessions] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46200
[21:01:49] 	 Change merged: Parent5446; [mediawiki/extensions/SecureSessions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46200
[21:01:58] 	 :-) There are many public speakers who feel that way before *every single talk* but it always turns out at least okay, sometimes great
[21:02:33] 	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 44900) Allow wildcard searching in wiki IDs for interwiki user rights logs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48661
[21:04:05] 	 anomie: so, if I understand correctly, for the Amsterdam stuff, you can just turn what you & I just said into a paragraph for the form.
[21:04:25] 	 For OSB, "how and why we did this" is a good place to start.
[21:05:19] 	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48734
[21:05:36] 	 03(mod) Parsoid: Linktrails should get a  added on serialisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44779  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[21:07:28] 	 anomie: and btw there are a few talks from OSB 2012 who have audio available -- "Rise of the Indie Web", Tantek �elik; Brandon Harris's talk, and the others  mentioned in http://opensourcebridge.org/blog/2013/01/2013-call-for-proposals-now-open/
[21:07:33] 	 the others are going to be up pretty soon
[21:08:06] 	 anomie: have you been to any conferences or seen any recordings of conference talks that you particularly liked?
[21:08:23] 	 sumanah- Nothing really stands out in my memory
[21:08:40] 	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix testrunner extend call:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48736
[21:10:18] 	 anomie: ok. So, in my experience, here are a few things that make for good preparation and for good talks.
[21:10:43] 	 1) think about the audience.  Who are they? what is their background? what sorts of things do they want to hear, for pleasure, or to make their lives better?
[21:11:19] 	 03(mod) Watchlist does not show when a watched article is added or removed from wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44802  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[21:11:19] 	 New review: Bsitu; "Patch Set 14: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47042
[21:11:19] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47042
[21:11:24] 	 03(mod) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902  +comment (10hashar)
[21:11:41] 	 2) the form.  There are 2 lengths of talk available at OSB: 45 min or 1hr45min (the latter is meant for hands-on tutorials and I presume you don't want to do that since this is not really a crowd of Wikimedians who want to learn to do this stuff).  What is possible in a face-to-face talk?  What's less useful?
[21:12:12] 	 3) the message.  What would you like to persuade them to do, or convince them to believe, or explain to them because it's cool?
[21:12:29] 	 this is the "rhetorical triangle" I learned in my freshman year of college and it's still useful.
[21:13:28] 	 So, 1) the audience for OSB, in your talk, will be programmers and systems administrators, most of them fairly skilled; they'll be able to look at Lua and basically understand what it's doing.  They often run MediaWiki installations or use wikis someone else hosts and it will not take that much time to explain to them that the old templates were ugly
[21:13:54] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48736
[21:13:57] 	 They like hearing about cool hacks and the elegant use of innovative technology
[21:15:16] 	 2) the form.  In text, people can follow references and code and flip back to page 1.  In front of a computer, they can try things out and learn interactively.  Face-to-face, people like to hear stories
[21:15:47] 	 anomie: you have within you the story of how Wikimedia templates used to be, how they got that way, what we chose to do and how we got here and what we're doing next
[21:15:50] 	 03(mod) Reviewer autocompletion failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39333  +comment (10Chad H.)
[21:16:29] 	 03(mod) Gerrit search bar is too far on the right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44902  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:17:04] 	 For an example of another Wikimedia talk that is kind of like this, check out RoanKattouw_away & Trevor|afk's https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Low-hanging-fruit-vs-micro-optimization.theora.ogv
[21:17:14] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 44883) partially reverting Change I694e7ab1 to fix buttons" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48739
[21:18:03] 	 03(mod) Formatting of upload buttons is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44883  +comment (10rkaldari)
[21:19:09] 	 anomie: and for 3) the message, that's in a sense the most flexible.....
[21:21:46] 	 I just love Gerrit's docs. 'Yeah, there's an REST api, but we're not going to give you an actual URL where you can find it.'
[21:21:59] 	 hi, how can i make a content table with anchors?
[21:22:16] <^demon>	 valhallasw: They're all relative to the base /r/
[21:22:35] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48739
[21:22:35] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48739
[21:23:09] 	 ^demon: ah! I was missing the trailing slash on the urls
[21:23:16] <^demon>	 Ah.
[21:23:19] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/changes 404's, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/changes/ works
[21:23:23] 	 thanks.
[21:23:26] <^demon>	 yw.
[21:23:37] 	 they also moved the JSON-RPC api around :-(
[21:23:50] 	 sumanah- Lots for me to think about
[21:23:54] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "smw.Api.fetch() enable support for local caching (using localStorage)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48740
[21:24:33] 	 anomie: yeah. I think the key is figuring out what you're actually most passionate about :-) like, if there were some random developer asking you "what's interesting about what y'all are up to?" what would you feel like you wished they knew about?
[21:24:58] <^demon>	 valhallasw: Removed, mostly.
[21:25:39] <^demon>	 The json-rpc api wasn't ever really built to serve the public, so they're just deprecating it as they replace it with rest apis.
[21:26:09] 	 yeah, it does make sense
[21:26:42] 	 ok, enough reviewer bot for tonight
[21:26:42] 	 03(mod) Parsoid: Linktrails should get a  added on serialisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44779  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[21:27:42] 	 valhallasw: :-) thanks for your work on that
[21:27:48] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "smw.Api.fetch() enable support for local caching (using localStorage)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48740
[21:30:21] 	 03(mod) Formatting of upload buttons is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44883  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:30:48] 	 anomie: maybe give that a think and we'll talk again tomorrow or Thurs?
[21:30:57] 	 sumanah- ok
[21:31:09] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "jStorage is now part of SMW 1.9" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48741
[21:31:28] 	 03(mod) Parsoid: Linktrails should get a  added on serialisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44779  +comment (10James Forrester)
[21:31:29] 	 03(mod) Parsoid: Linking on a part of a word triggers linktrail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33091  +comment (10James Forrester)
[21:31:34] 	 cool
[21:32:16] 	 sumanah: back :)
[21:32:27] 	 it sounds like the new Gerrit is heaven, toast, and a free ride :-) yay ^demon and others who worked on the upgrade!
[21:33:03] 	 New review: Cmcmahon; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48626
[21:33:03] 	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48626
[21:33:35] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update EventLogging to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48742
[21:33:39] 	 saper: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44904 if you can help at all with this I appreciate it
[21:34:12] 	 bug# looks familiar
[21:34:36] 	 03(mod) update Gerrit/Git-related documentation after 2.6 upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44904  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:34:39] 	 03(mod) "Old Version History" is not set properly when jumping between changesets (via dependency only?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37373  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:34:40] 	 03(mod) A strict and correct Git workflow document is needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36437  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:34:48] 	 sumanah: maybe it's good shooting at both ugs ^
[21:34:52] 	 bugs
[21:34:59] <^demon>	 We should do a bug triage. Bunch of things might've been fixed.
[21:35:16] 	 this is true. valeriej andre__ ^ Git/Gerrit-related bug triage :D
[21:35:48] 	 New patchset: Platonides; "Adapt StringUtils::isUtf8 to the top of Unicode at U-10FFFF" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48743
[21:36:12] 	 ^demon, sumanah: Good idea!
[21:36:41] 	 maybe next week?
[21:36:51] 	 New review: Platonides; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48743
[21:36:53] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "style: normalize methods declarations" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48744
[21:39:48] 	 New review: Demon; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-2" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48744
[21:39:48] 	 New review: Foxtrott; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48734
[21:41:20] 	 sumanah: andre__ proposed ArticleFeedback bugs, but we don't have a response yet. We'll decide tomorrow and make an announcement.
[21:41:29] 	 valeriej: okay!
[21:42:01] 	 if you have anything assigned to Pope Benedict you should probably get ready to reassign it after March 1st ;-)
[21:42:37] 	 ^demon: you there?
[21:42:48] <^demon>	 Yo.
[21:42:50] 	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25170/ can you answer my last question? or can anyone?>
[21:42:52] 	 ?
[21:42:59] 	 sumanah: Surely the pope has a role account...
[21:43:16] 	 ^demon: what do you think of using wfGetCaller in the DB begin/commit() funcs if $fname is not given?
[21:43:18] <^demon>	 MatmaRex: Oh, sorry. Yeah, extension was fine.
[21:43:21] <^demon>	 I was lazy at the time.
[21:43:27] 	 more seriously, valeriej, do you want feedback now on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Bug_Days or shall I wait to read it till after you read & respond to Guillaume's feedback?
[21:43:28] 	 it would help for tracking down those trx nesting bugs
[21:43:33] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Can you add reviewers now? Should be fixed.
[21:43:37] 	 RoanKattouw: ha! True.
[21:43:40] 	 otherwise the logging is kinda vague
[21:43:53] 	 Yup
[21:43:56] 	 ^demon: WFM now
[21:43:59] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: How many callers don't send it?
[21:44:02] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: woot \o/
[21:44:13] 	 ^demon: eh, i don't have time now, my list of things to take care about has gotten way too long :/
[21:44:15] 	 I'd have to grep
[21:44:22] 	 maybe I could just add it to a bunch :)
[21:44:50] 	 MatmaRex: If you want to change something in a specific skin that's something else by default, just override the default, right?
[21:45:17] <^demon>	 MatmaRex: I never finish my todo list. I just keep adding things to the bottom :)
[21:45:56] 	 Isarra: i mostly vaguely want to kill the old ugly stuff
[21:46:06] 	 and replace it with newer better stuff
[21:46:23] 	 But some skins are old ugly stuff.
[21:46:42] 	 Should we take that away from them?
[21:46:48] 	 ^demon: i might have asked you about this already, but let me ask again
[21:47:12] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10b)
[21:47:13] 	 ^demon: would it be possible to get another "clear" skin merged? say, Vector sans nearly all the styles?
[21:47:39] 	 You mean monobook?
[21:47:59] 	 ^demon: like Myskin is now, but less old and more aptly named
[21:48:12] <^demon>	 MatmaRex: I would be open to considering it.
[21:48:17] <^demon>	 Can't speak for everyone.
[21:48:22] 	 sumanah: I'll take feedback now. For the 'How to Report a Bug' post, to avoid just repeating the 'How to Report a Bug' page, I wanted to go through with an example of bug. I was looking for WM blog posts with screenshots to see examples, but I couldn't find any.
[21:49:09] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10matma.rex)
[21:49:13] 	 Susan: ^
[21:49:14] 	 valeriej: so, sometimes we have HOWTO pages where it's (in my opinion) reasonable to write blog entries that borrow liberally from the HOWTOs, every few years :-)
[21:49:46] 	 Susan: can you open a couple of bugs for me? about merging the good parts of Vector into core, and killing the rest?
[21:49:48] 	 03(mod) Plurals are not translating in Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44851  +comment (10Jon)
[21:49:49] 	 valeriej: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/07/echo-a-new-notification-system-for-wikipedia/   https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/01/guided-tour-launch/
[21:50:04] 	 03(mod) Plurals are not translating in Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44851  (10Jon)
[21:50:17] 	 Susan: because i don't have anough free time to do that properly
[21:50:23] 	 valeriej: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/31/translation-editor-growing-snazzier/
[21:50:35] 	 Susan: and Vector has surprisingly large amount oif hidden stuff inside
[21:51:15] 	 valeriej: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/20/article-feedback-new-research-and-next-steps/   https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/12/translation-interface-makeover-in-progress/   https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/11/30/bugs-fixed-universal-language-selector-ipa-keyboard-layout/  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/11/06/universal-language-selector-input-methods/
[21:51:46] 	 valeriej: I suggest you use the "technology" category on the blog -- https://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/page/4/ is where I stopped going backwards & looking
[21:51:46] 	 sumanah: Well, it would make it easier for me. I can do that. Thanks for the links.
[21:51:50] 	 sure!
[21:52:27] 	 valeriej: it sounds like you had an assumption that it was wrong in some way to repeat the HOWTO in the blog post -- can you talk about that? why would it be bad or wrong?
[21:52:36] 	 sumanah: Ah, I see. Sounds good. I'll look over these and go back over my post. 
[21:52:37] 	 because it would be repetition?
[21:52:42] 	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Add more message tests to mediawiki.js entry point:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48745
[21:52:48] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48169
[21:53:36] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48744
[21:53:41] 	 sumanah: Yes, mainly that. I didn't want to repeat what could be found on another page.
[21:54:16] 	 oh merde suis en conflit d'édit sur bloop
[21:54:21] 	 w/w
[21:54:34] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48169
[21:54:36] 	 valeriej: I understand your concern. But I think some repetition is okay.  For instance, sometimes *information* is in some sense repeated, but the *approach* or *tone* is different -- it is like translation. 
[21:55:00] 	 MatmaRex: It's difficult for me to file bugs for someone else.
[21:55:04] 	 New review: Ori.livneh; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48742
[21:55:16] 	 MatmaRex: Because as soon as they've described it, they could've just filed it themselves. ;-)
[21:55:34] 	 sumanah: I understand that.
[21:55:34] 	 valeriej: Writing on mediawiki.org is kind of dry; you assume that a person has already come to the page because they wanted to know something, and so you are sort of a little more academic and precise.  But on the blog, one writes in a somewhat more engaging, entertaining style, persuading people to care about the topic
[21:55:34] 	 (We're 4 to update a serie of articles about the bloop point on the French Wikipedia. Got a little edit conflict, and reported it in the wrong channel. I think I'm going to switch back from the irssi two windows setup to only one.)
[21:56:24] 	 valeriej: so even though a lot of the steps you'll talk about are the same, if you are illustrating them with screenshots or a narrative, then it'll be more interesting! and so I don't think it's redundant, even though there is some repetition
[21:56:42] 	 Susan: the issue is all those dependent bugs that should be set up :(
[21:56:54] 	 sumanah: Exactly, I didn't want the post to be boring. Alright, great, thanks for the help!
[21:57:16] 	 Cool!
[21:57:21] 	 (afk)
[21:58:19] 	 MatmaRex: What else is hiding in Vector?
[21:58:36] 	 Oh.
[21:58:36] 	 03(mod) Merging users fails to merge edit counts. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44917  (10ShoeMaker)
[21:58:38] 	 You mean the Vector extension.
[21:58:39] 	 Dereckson: have you gotten a chance to look at my changeset?
[21:58:57] 	 MatmaRex: Mind need an RFC to kill properly.
[22:01:03] 	 terrrydactyl: I'm on it.
[22:01:10] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update MobileFrontend to production tip" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48746
[22:01:33] 	 thanks Dereckson!
[22:02:02] * sumanah  disappears into meetings
[22:02:35] 	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48742
[22:02:54] 	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 12518) Cross-wiki user rights UI should show target wiki groups instead of local" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36330
[22:03:01] 	 Susan: oh please don't
[22:03:03] 	 03(mod) Personal option to hide own changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22213  +comment (10ShoeMaker)
[22:03:10] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48746
[22:03:33] 	 03(mod) WikiEditor Help Section displays Parse Errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44215  +comment (10Valerie Juarez)
[22:03:37] 	 Susan: was there an RFC to create it? if not, there's no need for one to kill it, assuming we merge the good stuff into core skin or juts core first
[22:04:04] 	 Susan: there's consensus on wikitech, please don't force me to disregard any more rfcs
[22:04:42] 	 terrrydactyl: what would be the ideal hours for you for two timeslots of ± 3 hours between Wednesday and Friday, so we could prepare some tests for Git2Pages and try a bug walktrough?
[22:04:44] 	 Sometimes an RFC can be helpful in figuring out what to do with the pieces.
[22:04:51] 	 MatmaRex: More as a scratchpad for notes, than anything.
[22:04:53] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48746
[22:05:01] 	 I'm confused about what all the pieces are and where they should go.
[22:05:08] 	 A planning page would be nice.
[22:05:16] 	 You can skip the RFC steps you want to skip.
[22:05:18] 	 Susan: comments are much more useful for discussions that wikitext
[22:05:20] 	 Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone.
[22:05:53] 	 basically, we merge things that are enabled by default, and kill the rest
[22:06:15] 	 the edit interface cleanup (footerCleanup.css/js) would have to be handled separately, i guess
[22:06:24] 	 the rest is fairly obvious]
[22:06:34] 	 New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch Set 11:" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44376
[22:06:34] 	 imo
[22:07:17] 	 Dereckson: I can do 1-4pm or 2-5pm PST on any of those days if those times work for  you. We can do it tomorrow too. I just haven't felt very productive so earlier is better!
[22:08:05] 	 hi kri
[22:08:07] 	 hi Krinkle:
[22:08:28] 	 Krinkle: can you reply to my last comment on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48033/1/modules/jquery.footerCollapsibleList.js super-quickly? it's a yes/no question
[22:08:34] 	 I got your PM
[22:09:41] 	 03(mod) Personal option to hide own changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22213  (10Chad H.)
[22:12:02] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "Patch Set 8:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36330
[22:12:07] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48744
[22:13:12] 	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48734
[22:14:13] 	 New patchset: Legoktm; "(bug 44792) Merge "globalunblock" right into "globalblock"" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48608
[22:15:30] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48033
[22:16:50] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update MobileFrontend to production tip" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48747
[22:17:05] 	 New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48747
[22:18:53] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48747
[22:19:44] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback Tool difficult to use for screen reader users do to use of non-standard form controls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33081  (10Valerie Juarez)
[22:21:03] 	 New patchset: Rfaulk; "mod. _create_lock(). File creation should be done with a open write op." [sartoris] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48748
[22:21:49] 	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Fix interwiki userrights form tool links" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48749
[22:22:51] 	 03(mod) Search box attachment off edge of page in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44635  +comment (10tchay)
[22:25:39] 	 03(mod) Turn on Extension:Translate on wmfwiki (for use with board resolutions and project overviews) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44871  +comment (10b)
[22:28:29] 	 03(mod) Search box attachment off edge of page in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44635  +comment (10mflaschen)
[22:29:24] 	 Krinkle: thanks
[22:29:48] 	 Krinkle: i'll submit a PS in a few minutes, it would be nice if you could look at it then :)
[22:29:58] 	 ok
[22:33:05] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "made the footer cleanup script suck less" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48033
[22:33:32] 	 Krinkle: ^
[22:34:43] 	 i didn't know about this stopImmediatePropagation thing. man, this is evil.
[22:35:38] * MatmaRex  afk
[22:37:28] * Mikhell  is trying to use the mediawiki api to retrieve image links but in some cases, images seems to be aliases and I do not know how to get the image url. Example: Image:Flag of United Kingdom.svg 
[22:38:12] 	 Does anyone know how to retrieve the correct image? It is actually the one for Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg
[22:42:10] 	 hy. i want to plibeligi (make more beautyful) the url's of my wiki ("/NAME" instead of "index.php?title=NAME" and so on). it already works for simple navigation, but not for editing
[22:42:35] 	 i created a .htaccess and changed the LocalSettings.php
[22:42:42] 	 What did you put in .htaccess?
[22:42:48] 	 And what did you put in LocalSettings.php?
[22:42:59] 	 Can you paste them at http://dpaste.de ?
[22:43:04] 	 Not the whole file, just the relevant lines.
[22:43:15] 	 jep, sec ...
[22:44:22] 	 New review: preilly; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [sartoris] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48748
[22:44:23] 	 Change merged: preilly; [sartoris] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48748
[22:45:35] 	 Susan: http://pastebin.com/KGjveEwp
[22:45:46] 	 Susan: ping
[22:45:47] 	 oh, sry. you wanted it in dpaste ...
[22:46:05] 	 preilly: Pong.
[22:46:11] * preilly  is curious about threespot
[22:46:16] 	 fenris_kcf: There is fine as well.
[22:47:25] 	 New review: Platonides; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48744
[22:48:14] 	 03(NEW) Long Article names on watch list view run right into the start - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44919 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[22:49:34] 	 Susan: the preview-button on the edit-page causes to load the site as if i just pushed "edit"
[22:49:48] 	 (so it reverts any changes made in the text)
[22:50:15] 	 do i have to clear a cache or sth.?
[22:51:02] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "smw.Api.fetch() enable support for local caching (using localStorage)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48740
[22:53:02] 	 i you want to try yourself: http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki
[22:53:34] 	 also it always opens the main-page for editing ...
[22:53:49] 	 New review: Mwjames; "Patch Set 3: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48740
[22:54:08] 	 fenris_kcf: Is your wiki public?
[22:54:16] 	 Susan: yes
[22:54:24] 	 fenris_kcf: Got a link? Though I think I already see the issue.
[22:54:37] 	 Your wiki needs to be a folder that does not overlap with the virtual directory.
[22:54:38] 	 i postet the link
[22:54:44] 	 Oh, sorry.
[22:54:46] 	 Looking.
[22:54:53] 	 I'm a bit distracted. ;-)
[22:54:57] 	 np
[22:55:00] 	 anomie: it would be nice if the edit.js vars had comments
[22:55:09] 	 Seems to be working for me.
[22:55:14] 	 Though the URLs are a little wonky.
[22:55:30] 	 hmm, what does that mean?
[22:55:34] 	 Generally, if you have "wiki" as a virtual path, you want the real (physical) file path to be /w/ or something (anything) besides "wiki".
[22:55:42] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/?title=Main_Page&action=edit
[22:55:45] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback Tool difficult to use for screen reader users do to use of non-standard form controls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33081  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[22:55:49] 	 Usually edit links expose index.php.
[22:55:56] 	 For example,
[22:55:58] 	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
[22:56:44] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10federicoleva)
[22:56:48] 	 so first i should move from /wiki to /w ?
[22:57:36] 	 I'm hesitant to answer, as your wiki seems weird, but not broken.
[22:57:39] 	 What's broken right now?
[22:57:54] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/Main_Page seems fine.
[22:58:03] 	 Susan: push edit on another article
[22:58:04] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/?title=Main_Page&action=edit is strange, but seems to work fine.
[22:58:07] 	 (not main)
[22:58:09] 	 Oh.
[22:58:11] 	 Let's see.
[22:58:19] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/Pronouns looks good.
[22:58:25] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/?title=Pronouns&action=edit
[22:58:27] 	 Ah, there we go.
[22:58:29] 	 Yeah.
[22:58:41] 	 So, yeah, move "wiki" to "w".
[22:58:43] 	 Then update ...
[22:58:53] 	 $wgScriptPath       = "/wiki";
[22:58:59] 	 That _must_ be updated to...
[22:59:01] 	 $wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[22:59:08] 	 Susan: will this also solve the problem that editing ain't possible?
[22:59:10] 	 Do those two things and we can re-assess.
[22:59:23] 	 No idea. One problem at a time.
[22:59:27] 	 ok :)
[22:59:54] 	 Move "wiki" to "w" and update $wgScriptPath in LocalSettings.php. Then let me know.
[23:00:57] 	 Susan: hmm, now it doesn't work anymore ...
[23:01:13] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10mflaschen)
[23:01:30] 	 fenris_kcf: Can you comment out the lines in .htaccess temporarily?
[23:01:39] 	 f'cuz ...
[23:01:42] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/w/index.php should always work.
[23:01:47] 	 Regardless of rewrite rules.
[23:02:03] 	 Susan: all commentet out
[23:02:34] 	 Can you re-pastebin .htaccess and LocalSettings.php lines now?
[23:02:54] 	 You're getting an HTTP 500 error.
[23:03:00] 	 Which usually means a fatal error somewhere.
[23:03:09] 	 That could a missing semi-colon, it could be something else.
[23:03:16] 	 03(mod) Mobile watchlist JS requests watched status for no reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44878  (10Jon)
[23:03:36] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "(Bug 35753) Add a way to use {{FORMATNUM}} to just do digit transform" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35603
[23:05:14] 	 Susan: http://dpaste.de/9U93i/
[23:06:09] 	 fenris_kcf: Can you comment out $wgScript for now?
[23:06:13] 	 And $wgArticlePath?
[23:06:18] 	 k
[23:06:30] 	 $wgScript is definitely wrong.
[23:06:33] 	 done
[23:06:42] 	 wait
[23:06:43] 	 not
[23:06:57] 	 yes
[23:07:15] 	 $wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[23:07:16] 	 # $wgScript           = "$wgScriptPath";
[23:07:16] 	 # $wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";
[23:07:22] 	 Okay.
[23:07:25] 	 The site should be loading now...
[23:07:45] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/w/HISTORY looks fine.
[23:07:45] 	 hmm, does it for you? :)
[23:07:49] 	 Not index.php.
[23:07:55] 	 You're hitting a PHP fatal error somewhere.
[23:07:58] 	 Non-PHP files are loading fine.
[23:08:04] 	 Your paths are fine. Permissions are fine.
[23:08:30] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/w/README also loads fine.
[23:08:34] 	 hmm, so i would have to get the php error-log
[23:08:35] 	 !debug
[23:08:35] 	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[23:08:41] 	 Check out the first link.
[23:09:00] 	 You can try the Web server's error log, but modifying LocalSettings.php should work just as well.
[23:09:10] 	 >
[23:09:11] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/w/README
[23:09:12] 	 Oop.
[23:09:15] 	 >
[23:09:19] 	 To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php:
[23:09:19] 	 error_reporting( -1 );
[23:09:19] 	 ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 );
[23:09:23] 	 >
[23:09:38] 	 Try that?
[23:09:56] 	 And/or skim https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug#PHP_errors
[23:10:54] 	 How does [[Image:Flag of Philippines.svg]] get resolved to [[[[Image:Flag of the Philippines.svg]] ?
[23:11:08] 	 Mikhell: Not sure what you're asking.
[23:11:18] 	 The latter is invalid syntax, I think.
[23:11:32] 	 Susan: Sorry I added some [[ by mistake
[23:11:55] 	 Are you asking about SVG rasterization?
[23:11:55] 	 I found a page that has [[Image:Flag of Philippines.svg]]
[23:12:00] 	 Okay.
[23:12:10] 	 Which page? Can you provide a link?
[23:12:35] 	 still no error-messages 
[23:12:42] 	 On wikivoyage.org, the page for Paris. You can retrieve the content and see that link.
[23:13:01] 	 fenris_kcf: Check the Web server error log, then?
[23:13:15] 	 But then this image really lead to Flag of the Philippines.svg   where there is a "the" added.
[23:13:18] 	 i think i can't ... i'll try
[23:13:41] 	 I cannot figure out how to get my code obtain the correct full name.
[23:13:52] 	 no. can't read /var/log/php/php.log
[23:13:59] 	 http://dpaste.de/9U93i/raw/
[23:14:01] 	 That says...
[23:14:05] 	 > ### from /wiki/LocalSettings.php
[23:14:11] 	 You meant /w/LocalSettings.php, right?
[23:14:14] 	 yes
[23:14:16] 	 Okay.
[23:14:18] 	 Just making sure.
[23:14:36] 	 Well, the Web server seems fine.
[23:14:52] 	 It's almost certainly a PHP error somewhere that you're hitting.
[23:15:01] 	 hmm
[23:15:03] 	 what's the problem with /wiki ?
[23:15:12] 	 How do you mean?
[23:15:34] 	 why should one use sth. like "/w" instead of "/wiki"?
[23:16:10] 	 Because when the virtual path ("/wiki/") and the physical path overlap (you had "/wiki" instead of "/w/"), it causes issues.
[23:16:25] 	 !shorturls
[23:16:25] 	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at  or try the new beta tool at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[23:17:19] 	 It's documented somewhere in there.
[23:18:01] 	 Susan: do you understand my problem? For a normal image I query the api to get the url and thumburl but in this case, it returns an empty page without useful information.
[23:19:05] 	 [18:12]  On wikivoyage.org, the page for Paris. You can retrieve the content and see that link.
[23:19:23] 	 fenris_kcf: http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page is working again now.
[23:19:33] 	 Mikhell: Which wikivoyage.org? There are several.
[23:19:37] 	 en? es? de?
[23:19:43] 	 A link would be helpful.
[23:19:50] 	 Susan: because i reverted the changes
[23:19:59] 	 http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=Paris&prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[23:20:08] 	 fenris_kcf: Right. But the name of the directory shouldn't be your issue. Something's weird.
[23:20:18] 	 maybe
[23:21:14] 	 http://folkspraak.bfadmin.schokokeks.org/wiki/index.php?title=Conjugation&action=edit is also working now.
[23:21:37] 	 You should be able to rename "wiki" to "w" (and update LocalSettings.php) without everything exploding.
[23:21:39] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48457
[23:21:51] 	 Susan: i don't use short links at the moment
[23:21:54] 	 Right.
[23:21:55] 	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48457
[23:22:07] 	 But setting up short URLs the first few times invariably leads to errors. It takes some practice. :-)
[23:22:13] 	 Mikhell: You're familiar with Wikimedia Commons?
[23:22:32] 	 Susan superficially yes.
[23:22:43] 	 Mikhell: Most images are hosted on a foreign file repository.
[23:22:50] 	 Called Wikimedia Commons.
[23:22:55] 	 That's where those SVGs are.
[23:23:03] 	 You're trying to get the thumb path?
[23:23:26] 	 Susan: yes. But the issue is that I can get the path with: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=File:_Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg&prop=links|imageinfo&iiprop=url
[23:23:48] 	 Susan: Which is correct with the "the" in the file name but not without
[23:24:17] 	 Susan: So I wonder how that page gets resolved correctly....
[23:24:38] 	 https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=File:_Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg&prop=links|imageinfo&iiprop=url
[23:25:09] 	 Susan: The image link in the page has no "the" in it.
[23:25:43] 	 Mikhell: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Flag_of_Philippines.svg&redirect=no
[23:25:48] 	 It's an image redirect.
[23:25:56] 	 Image redirects are a bit wonky, I think.
[23:26:02] 	 They work, but they're imperfect.
[23:26:34] 	 Susan, that's going closer... Now do I get this redirect in an xml or json format?
[23:27:08] 	 I'm not sure the redirect is properly tracked.
[23:27:11] 	 i don't see the explaination why "/wiki" shouldn't be used. instead i see the advise to clear the cache ...
[23:27:13] 	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1&hideimages=1
[23:27:26] 	 !rewriteproblem | fenris_kcf 
[23:27:26] 	 fenris_kcf: If you're having trouble with the Short URL manual pages try ; If those rules don't work poke Dantman to help debug the special circumstances of your server setup and improve the rules.
[23:27:37] 	 Well, that snippet used to be more helpful.
[23:27:57] 	 From that redwerks.org URL:
[23:28:01] 	 > Many people want /wiki/Article style urls like Wikipedia does and so they install their wiki at /{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/wiki/ this is incorrect. Wikis that use /wiki/Article style urls have their MediaWiki installation setup at /{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/ or /{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/ and setup short urls for /wiki/Article.
[23:29:23] 	 yeah, i see
[23:29:33] 	 still no reason why, but ok :)
[23:29:45] 	 so i will have to reinstall the wiki?
[23:30:25] 	 (maybe the install-wizard should warn me if i try to install to /wiki)
[23:30:30] 	 (just an idea ...)
[23:33:12] 	 ok, so is it possible to make the installer use the existing database without crashing it?
[23:33:19] 	 Susan:thanks. I got what I needed doing: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Flag_of_Philippines.svg&redirect=no&action=raw
[23:33:30] 	 (of course i will make a backup first ...)
[23:34:03] 	 Though I wish I could get it from the api. Not sure why the api does not tell me it is a redirect
[23:35:21] 	 Mikhell: Cool. :-)
[23:35:24] 	 Gotta run.
[23:36:54] 	 03(mod) "Preview page with this template" for MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44257  (10Pavel Selitskas)
[23:38:02] 	 Thanks, Susan!
[23:40:03] 	 03(mod) en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org takes 10-20 seconds to load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44565  (10Željko Filipin)
[23:43:17] 	 RoanKattouw_away: poke - have a CORS question when you are free
[23:44:38] 	 jdlrobson: OK give me a while longer
[23:44:56] 	 sure grab me when free thanks
[23:52:23] 	 terrrydactyl: tomorrow 2pm PST is perfect
[23:54:58] 	 asking mediawiki add on DB prefix a "_"  and if doing anyquery getting that table not found 
[23:55:00] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Use {{int:templatesandbox-suffix}} in {{int:templatesandbox-text}}" [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48751
[23:59:43] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated" [mediawiki/extensions/NamespaceRelations] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48752