[00:00:00] MC27: Yeah, that would be a prerequisite. But you can use MW locally without issue. [00:00:09] how do I do that? [00:00:22] Meaning you can access it. Theoretically you'd want others to as well. So maybe not the best solution. [00:00:33] oh [00:00:33] MC27: You go through the normal install process and just access it with your LAN ip [00:00:37] !install [00:00:37] Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [00:00:42] How do I access it [00:00:50] I installed it -______________________________________- [00:01:01] MC27: Find your local IP, or just go to http://localhost [00:01:09] erm [00:01:18] when I go to localhost...it... [00:01:19] um... [00:01:22] well [00:01:29] Well said [00:01:31] shows your default Apache2 message? [00:01:48] DOes it? [00:01:50] "It works!" [00:01:59] I don't know, that's what I posted to yo chat, Elec [00:02:09] Yes, that's the default Apache2 message [00:02:13] Pl [00:02:14] Ok [00:02:21] So, when I go to locahost.. [00:02:29] now what [00:02:29] MC27: Where did you put the MediaWiki files? [00:02:56] On my computer, in the Downloads area of the library [00:02:59] Was that wrong..? [00:03:08] I'm guessing that's it o.o [00:03:12] MC27: No no. But you'll need to put it somewhere the web server can access it. [00:03:24] Which is...? [00:03:38] holy schiznit, 80 degrees O: [00:03:40] anyway [00:03:41] MC27: Find out where your webserver is serving files from, and put the MediaWiki directory there. I have _no idea_ where Apache serves from on Windows. [00:03:50] so [00:03:53] On the Apache file? [00:03:57] hm [00:04:02] Something like that, yeah. [00:04:13] 03(mod) Disable "You have new messages" for anonymous users after 30 days - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47313 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [00:04:25] YAY! [00:04:30] I think I figured it out!! [00:04:33] THANKS YOU! [00:04:43] Good good [00:04:48] Oh and... [00:04:54] Why the heck is Wamp in FRENCH!? [00:05:03] I cannot answer that one. [00:05:06] By Jäzzi of all people [00:05:17] what happened? [00:05:21] Hey Cead, the edit to Zelda got reverted btw [00:05:38] "Despite him asking, he didn't give permission visible on the wiki through a summary or whatever source. Yes, I got the facebook message too, but I also got a facebook message from Obama. So yeah" is revert summary [00:05:55] * marktraceur wonders whether this is the channel for this conversation [00:06:02] +1 [00:06:13] of course [00:06:15] Ehehe sorry guys [00:06:18] Of course she does it :| [00:06:22] Elecbullet: It's all right [00:06:24] Elecbullet: No worries, it happens [00:06:32] Wait, wait. She changed her name three times now..? [00:06:35] Or new account? [00:06:57] New account somewhere in there, but like the others said let's talk mediawiki [00:07:11] aight fine [00:07:29] Now. On my server, MediaWiki is in. [00:08:28] MC27: Good to hear :) [00:20:07] ok MediaWiki is now in the files of WampServer and Apache [00:20:09] Now what? [00:20:26] MC27: What is the directory named? [00:20:36] I mean, the directory with MediaWiki in it [00:20:48] The directory...? As in the file where it is? [00:20:49] Um [00:21:13] Directory is another term for folder. [00:21:31] Apache24 is where MW is for Apache, wamp is where it is for WampServer [00:21:43] 03(mod) Update Apple touch icon for en.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46431 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:21:44] Susan: More like "folder" is another term for "directory" [00:21:54] Hoohoohoo. [00:22:02] MC27: What's the MediaWiki directory itself named? [00:22:18] the mw file is mediawiki-1.20.3 [00:22:21] marktraceur: :-) [00:22:23] or directory [00:22:25] http://localhost/mediawiki-1.20.3 <-- go there [00:22:26] or whatever :P [00:22:37] not found [00:22:39] :| [00:22:41] ... [00:22:46] hm [00:22:49] Then it might not be where you expect it to be. [00:23:08] Wherever you go, there you are. [00:23:09] MC27: Can you show me what you see when you're putting the mediawiki directory into the webserver directory? [00:23:19] huh? [00:23:23] Either a pastebin of a directory listing or a screenshot [00:23:34] oh [00:23:34] ok [00:24:35] where do I upload it at? [00:24:46] * marktraceur shrugs [00:24:52] http://imgur.com is a good start [00:25:49] How do I Internet? [00:25:56] I somehow doubt the utility of uploading a directory screenshot onto commons [00:26:12] Heh, you have to upload files on wikis where you have adminship. [00:26:14] I've found. [00:26:32] Susan: 1. Hold keyboard, lengthwise, so the narrow edge is facing your head [00:26:46] 2. Bring the keyboard swiftly towards face [00:26:56] 3. Repeat until unconscious [00:27:04] 4. Post nonsensical typographical results [00:27:12] *nod* [00:27:21] http://imgur.com/rr6fqEK [00:27:22] Oh, is that how people edit Commons? [00:27:25] That explains a lot. ;-) [00:27:45] MC27: OK, I suspect that "htdocs" is where you should put mediawiki [00:27:46] The point about adminship is that you can "protect" your uploads. [00:27:54] For example, I upload to Meta-Wiki or mediawiki.org [00:27:55] . [00:28:02] So that I can undelete if some admin gets all haughty. [00:28:18] 03(mod) ConfirmEdit fatal error when using MathCaptcha and current Math extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46132 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:28:25] Note to self, don't delete Susan's uploads. [00:28:40] 03(mod) ConfirmEdit fatal error when using MathCaptcha and current Math extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46132 (10Matthew Flaschen) [00:28:59] marktraceur: Note to self, note to others: * [00:29:00] :D [00:29:00] idea [00:29:07] nah nvm [00:29:16] MC27: Did you move mediawiki into htdocs? [00:29:17] Susan: Be careful, some of those haughty admins on mw.org probably have shell access and could delete you :P [00:29:33] Un-persons! [00:29:44] You IRC guys are fun [00:30:29] I can't paste a folder into another folder :< [00:30:49] Um what? [00:30:58] MC27: That's insane [00:31:32] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Lazy-update SurfaceFragment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47343 normal; VisualEditor: Technical Debt; () [00:32:16] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Lazy-update SurfaceFragment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47343 +comment (10Roan Kattouw) [00:32:18] bawolff: If only! [00:32:48] ERG [00:32:58] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Internal nodes should eventually be in a separate document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47344 normal; VisualEditor: Technical Debt; () [00:33:11] That's definitely where I need to put it, I think [00:33:12] But.. [00:33:16] There ain't no way!! [00:33:31] ew my southern accent's comin' out [00:33:32] :P [00:33:34] jk [00:33:45] MC27: OK, you moved the mediawiki directory into the Apache24 directory already. You just need to move it once more. [00:33:52] How? [00:33:56] I think I tried!! [00:34:05] How did you do it the *first* time? [00:34:14] ... [00:34:29] copypaste [00:34:45] But that's not working anymore. [00:34:47] Copied MediaWiki and pasted it then into Apache and WampServer [00:34:50] nope [00:34:57] I'll try manual moving.. [00:35:05] MC27: Do you have permissions to paste into that directory? [00:35:10] wait, are you trying to put the directory into its subdirectory? (making a cyclic directory graph) [00:35:12] I suspect so, but still [00:35:31] I think [00:35:33] It's my computer, I should have permission [00:35:40] I set the whole thing up... when I got it... [00:35:50] If I don't have admin access that'll totally suck :< [00:36:11] MC27: Well, even with admin access, I wouldn't trust Microsoft to necessarily give you access to everything, but still. [00:36:26] :/ [00:36:45] MC27: If you can't take the mediawiki directory from the Apache24 directory and put it into the Apache24/htdocs directory, I don't know what to tell you [00:36:50] That doesn't make any sense to me [00:37:14] 03(mod) Update Apple touch icon for en.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46431 +patch-in-gerrit (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [00:37:18] MC27, no error message or anything? [00:37:34] nope [00:39:09] I'mma try things [00:39:14] Experiment a while [00:39:29] * marktraceur thinks that can only end well [00:41:01] marktraceur: Update yours javas! [00:41:53] https://xkcd.com/1197/ [00:42:31] Exactamon! [00:42:33] Yes!! [00:42:36] It worked!!!! [00:42:46] I used a cpaste after an extraction [00:42:51] MC27: You managed to move a directory into another directory? [00:42:55] * marktraceur votes up [00:43:11] ja [00:43:15] upboat!!1one11 [00:43:22] !german [00:43:26] XD [00:44:37] !deutsche [00:45:05] MC27: Yes, we got the idea - now can you access the wiki? [00:45:12] um [00:45:16] let's see? XD [00:45:47] Indeed. [00:45:49] nopr [00:45:51] nope [00:47:08] MC27: Well, let's see what you've got now. [00:47:23] what do you mean? [00:47:27] On the directories? [00:47:31] Yes. [00:47:37] Show me the directory where your mediawiki is. [00:47:53] ok [00:49:32] link me to that image site again [00:49:41] *sigh* scroll up [00:50:43] nvm [00:50:47] nvm [00:50:48] ... [00:51:06] Sure, what the hell. [00:52:31] ok [00:52:39] http://imgur.com/laeNkpf [00:52:40] here [00:53:16] MC27: So when you go to http://localhost/mediawiki-1.20.3 you don't get a response? [00:54:08] 03(mod) Update Apple touch icon for en.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46431 +comment (10michael) [00:59:04] Right! That's my cue to go home. [01:01:58] 03(mod) Don't always load interwikis with page HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40678 15enhancement->normal; +comment (10Jon) [01:02:10] 03(mod) Languages are bundled unnecessarily in HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40678 summary (10Jon) [01:03:52] 03(mod) References broken in alpha on Android Browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46544 +comment (10Jon) [01:05:20] Hmmm... Am I right in thinking it would require some additional work to do https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46431#c2 ? [01:06:35] 03(NEW) Flickr links in UploadWizard are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47345 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; () [01:06:38] (I think: We'd need to add a few more meta tags specifically to do that, which doesn) [01:06:47] odder: Doing anything is additional work. ;-) [01:06:48] 03(mod) Flickr links in UploadWizard are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47345 normal->minor (10Erik Moeller) [01:06:50] ... doesn't seem trivial. [01:06:53] Except dying, I guess. [01:06:56] It's work for others, though. [01:07:47] Someone would need to read the spec. [01:07:59] Do you have an Apple developer account? [01:08:40] http://tiny.cc/frmpvw is pretty straightforward [01:09:01] Oh, I thought it required you to log in. [01:09:13] As far as I know, only one Apple icon is supported. [01:09:28] It's configured via a configuration variable. [01:09:41] I'm not sure people will want the additional HTML weight for multiple sizes. [01:09:43] We could just add more icons for wiktionary.org [01:09:48] I guess. [01:10:07] Can we do that on a per-subdomain basis though? [01:10:08] Is there anything wrong with 144px? [01:10:13] It's 30 KB [01:10:14] 03(mod) Favicon, apple-touch-icon links matching the defaults should not be sent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19392 +comment (10michael) [01:10:16] You can do things by wiki family or wiki. [01:10:28] Is 30 KB a lot? [01:10:31] Is that compressed? [01:10:42] Most Web traffic is gzipped. [01:10:51] I'm not sure if that includes images, TBH. [01:11:01] Either way, to answer directly: I think you'd need to support an array. [01:11:08] Rather than the single Apple icon supported currently. [01:11:14] So you'd need a dependent bug. [01:11:35] Honestly, I'm more inclined to go the other way: [01:11:42] putting Apple shit in the page source is a bit. :-/ [01:11:53] 03(mod) mw.LoadData results don't properly handle # operator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47096 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [01:12:03] You don't need to do that, iOS will look for a proper icon in docroot [01:12:10] the problem starts when it doesn't find one. [01:12:12] Well, Wikipedia does it. [01:12:32] Wikipedia provides one apple-touch-icon, it's directly in the code. [01:12:45] and it's a 60 x 60 px [01:12:53] https://en.wikipedia.org/apple-touch-icon.png [01:12:55] So I see. [01:13:05] And how big is it using whatever you used to get 30KB? [01:13:10] Is that file size on disk? [01:13:20] oh now. They use a 114 x 114 one, now I check this. [01:13:47] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-icon.png is the one they suggested [01:14:22] Hmm, yeah, it's 114. [01:14:33] So... let's just resolve that bug and move on? :-) [01:14:58] The multiple sizes thing can be split out if Michael wants. [01:14:58] It's 30 KB really that much? [01:15:05] I don't know. [01:15:10] It doesn't sound like much to me. [01:15:18] And I imagine it's compressed. [01:15:44] I also don't think it gets transferred unless your browser requests it. [01:15:50] Which most wouldn't, unless they needed it. [01:15:53] As I understand it. [01:16:34] I think the cost of supporting multiple versions exceeds the cost of a slightly larger image for some devices. [01:16:38] But what do I know. [01:16:52] odder: Do you like design work or just images? :-) [01:17:05] I've been trying to come up with a list of things to prettify. [01:17:08] But some are more HTML-y. [01:17:16] Some (like the mediawiki.org favicon) are image-y. [01:17:48] I guess you're already busy with Wikipedia logos. [01:17:51] Susan: I'm happy to help with either. [01:17:56] Oh, neat. :-) [01:18:05] Susan: now, we're actually finishing the changes. [01:18:06] I don't think Meta-Wiki has any list of things to prettify (yet). [01:18:20] Last push is about to happen. [01:18:29] I saw Nemo sent out a message. [01:18:31] \o/ [01:19:02] Yes; we only lack logos for those wikis that didn't translate them yet, plus some that are seriously fucked up. [01:19:12] Like sh.wikipedia.org or lad.wikipedia.org [01:21:27] Susan: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nemo_bis/Wikipedia has a nice list if you'd like to help out. [01:21:54] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Prettify [01:22:10] Nemo is way better at that kind of thing. :-) [01:22:13] You and Nemo, rather. [01:27:17] 03(mod) desktop view on mobile domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46473 +comment (10Arthur Richards) [01:29:12] 03(mod) Favicon, apple-touch-icon links matching the defaults should not be sent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19392 +comment (10greenreaper) [01:31:56] Susan: Hm. I decided to use the lazy way and reduce the size of the icon :) [01:33:53] 03(mod) Ask API with XML format produces invalid XML (title tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44696 +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1) [01:34:39] odder: Can you think of other things to prettify? [01:34:46] Down to 11171 bytes from the original 31060 bytes [01:34:53] Quite nice, I'd say. [01:35:13] \o/ [01:40:55] 03(NEW) Group parameter not honored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47346 major; Analytics: User Metrics; () [01:41:26] 03(mod) Update Apple touch icon for en.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46431 +comment (10tomasz) [01:43:56] can someone inform me why an undeleted page cannot be tested against in AbuseFilter ? [01:44:05] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Lazy-update SurfaceFragment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47343 (10James Forrester) [01:44:15] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Internal nodes should eventually be in a separate document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47344 (10James Forrester) [01:44:51] 03(mod) Ask API with XML format produces invalid XML (title tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44696 +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1) [01:45:37] sDrewth: Do you mean on the action of restoring revisions? [01:46:00] no, I (temporarily) restored, then wanted to use it for testing [01:46:05] nada [01:46:23] edit doesn't show in the timeframe of the edit [01:46:31] sounds b0rked [01:46:38] bugzilla? [01:46:40] marktraceur: Hows it going? [01:48:18] Sorry for getting back to you a little late [01:51:02] 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [01:51:10] Kyzz: 's all right [01:51:13] What's up? [01:51:45] marktraceur: Just readiing through the getting started now [01:51:50] 03(mod) Add "Special:UploadFile" alias for "Special:Upload" in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34317 +comment (10b) [01:52:07] Eeeexcellent. [01:52:16] The plan is working. [01:52:35] Something something dark side....something something complete [01:52:53] heh [01:54:17] 03(mod) Return key doesn't work with the "Add Reviewer" button in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44932 +comment (10b) [01:54:55] Someone asked about AbuseFilter above, but I /cleared. [01:55:15] abd? [01:55:18] *and? [01:55:21] I think the question was about AbuseFilter + deleted pages. [01:55:27] And I can't answer now. [01:55:32] Because I don't remember who asked. [01:55:36] sDrewth: [01:55:51] DokuWiki is pretty bad. [01:55:56] I mean, it's cute. [01:56:04] But I'm not sure why anyone would use it... [01:56:41] it was me [01:56:47] sDrewth: Can you paste what you wrote? [01:57:04] it seems that a deleted and recovered page does not show in RecentChanges [01:57:19] so therefore it cannot be used for testing in AbuseFilter [01:57:26] <- was doing a test [01:57:28] Hmmm, maybe. [01:57:41] definitely doesn't show in RecentChanges [01:58:49] marktraceur: I feel as if this would be much simpler if I was on a Linux OS [02:01:51] 03(mod) LiquidThreads thread action links need tooltips - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21723 +comment (10b) [02:01:54] Kyzz: I agree, I recommend GNU/Linux [02:02:50] 03(mod) Restore all default settings is awfully unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33327 (10jidanni) [02:03:40] 03(NEW) Unable to find restored edit for batch testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47347 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; () [02:03:48] marktraceur: I have Ubuntu setup as a dual boot on this laptop , but it probably needs updating... [02:03:59] Susan: ^ bug'd [02:04:23] Kyzz: So long as it has a webserver and reasonable version of PHP, I'd say go for it [02:04:46] Well that isn't setup on it as of yet though. [02:05:17] 03(mod) Ask API with XML format produces invalid XML (title tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44696 +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1) [02:06:43] 03(mod) Restore all default settings is awfully unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33327 (10jidanni) [02:08:55] Kyzz: I mean, installable [02:10:06] marktraceur: Wait what haha [02:14:35] 03(mod) LiquidThreads thread action links need tooltips - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21723 +comment (10b) [02:20:39] we so need the means to twitter feed off the blog [02:21:04] Which blog? [02:21:06] tweet a page is what I mean [02:21:18] https://blog.wikimedia.org/ [02:21:20] A share box thing? [02:21:50] presumably [02:21:56] remember I am a dinosaur [02:21:59] Yeah, you're right. [02:22:27] sites have a "tweet this page" thingame [02:22:41] Right... but which sites would we include? [02:22:53] start somewhere! [02:22:58] and build [02:23:10] why not everywhere? [02:23:12] Build a pile of bugs. [02:23:29] a new pile! the first is starting to be an avalance risk [02:23:33] 03(mod) ResourceLoader creates absolute URLs to load.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47292 +comment (10Daniel Renfro) [02:43:39] can anyone point me to a working WYSIWYG version, preferably with instructions of how to install it? [02:43:56] kaste: none really exist yet [02:44:09] the closest I got is PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /srv/http/common/mediawiki-1.20/extensions/WYSIWYG/CKeditor.body.php on line 532 [02:44:19] :? [02:44:39] wfLoadExtensionMessages is really old code [02:44:50] kaste: how did you download CKeditor ? [02:45:02] !e CKeditor [02:45:03] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CKeditor [02:45:08] I tried four different versions from that page [02:45:24] unfortunately most of them crash the wiki even when not using edit links [02:45:49] this is the one linked to on that google docs page [02:45:53] It's not maintained, never mind supported.. [02:46:37] kaste: I was just getting a link for myself [02:46:39] 03(mod) Ask API with XML format produces invalid XML (title tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44696 +comment (10alj62888) [02:46:45] Betacommand: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-aiZzKTmWI2bG8yVzBCOWNLamM/view [02:47:18] kaste: would have to say you are out of luck [02:47:35] Reedy: figured that, I'd rather be rid of any extension. MW extensions are such a pain to keep in sync [02:48:13] kaste: not really as long as you use the major ones [02:48:23] Betacommand: I'll just try to change the dbs for all involved wikis so that the editor is changed for everyone who set it to this [02:50:57] My users must have an annoying habit of demanding minor ones then [02:54:54] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 +comment (10gerritadmin) [02:55:36] 03(NEW) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [02:55:52] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 +patch-in-gerrit (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [02:57:24] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10fur.hewiki) [02:58:22] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [07:59:08] 03(mod) ConfirmEdit fatal error when using MathCaptcha and current Math extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46132 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [08:07:36] 03(mod) Incorrect spelling in Odia in ULS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45605 +comment (10runabh) [08:21:47] 03(mod) Namespace translations in bxr.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46751 +comment (10grazeroleg) [08:28:31] @notify bawolff [08:28:31] I will notify you, when I see bawolff around here [08:29:14] u/g from 1.16 to 1.20.4 - database update completed OK but I get a "Fatal exception of type MWException" error rynning the new code. Site works OF with old code and updated db. Is it sae to keep site running like this while the exception error is tracked down and resolved? [08:29:57] That should be "Site works OK" [08:30:33] Sabretache: possibly, though there might be database inconsistency issues. [08:30:36] And 'Safe" not "sae" - duh [08:30:43] Sabretache: most people in channel would be sleeping right now :( [08:30:52] you'll probably get a better response if you asked during PDT hours [08:30:54] Sabretache: did you update any extensions you have installed? [08:30:55] Sabretache: or email the mailing list? [08:32:00] No extension updated yet. I also u/g'd from 5.2 to 5.3 php and that broke the NEWS extension but I've worked around that OK [08:32:11] Sabretache, $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; [08:32:41] Sabretache: I would say a outdated extension is causing the issue [08:33:04] Yep. I just need to know if I can leave the site running safely while I track the problem down [08:33:23] Hallo. NUMBEROFARTICLES in https://he.wikivoyage.org is 341. The number of pages in the main namespace there is 237. $wgContentNamespaces doesn't seem to be customized. Why the difference in numbers then? [08:35:10] If I get any db inconsistencies because of running new schema with old code, presumably the update scripts suite should fix tham? [08:37:53] Sabretache, there's no such thing as DB downgrade, so lack of errors is not guaranteed [08:39:22] MaxSem - Hmmm - I've obviously got full backups but its a high-traffic site (for one admin) and I don't want either to have it offline for 24 hours or lose 24 hours of edts/updates [08:40:15] so look what's wrong right now:) [08:42:12] 03(mod) Script error: Lua error: Internal error: The interpreter exited with status 126. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46135 normal->minor (10Andre Klapper) [08:43:26] MaxSem - I get a "Fatal exception of type MWException" error with a list a mile long that will take me a while to understand [08:44:13] so I've put the site back on line with the old code and sccessfully done a bundle of page edits [08:44:40] page edits is probably where it wont break, its the other stuff [08:45:04] so show it to us - we have more experience with it [08:45:21] if it didn't break when showing the mwexecptions, I would just go back to the new version, update the extensions then look at it [08:45:26] it's at https://wikispooks.com [08:46:41] * MaxSem sees no exceptionsw [08:47:03] MaxSem: he reverted back [08:47:47] 03(mod) There's an inconsistency in the feedback page view and the permalink view; it looks like the feedback page view is not up-to-date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46797 +comment (10TMg) [08:49:07] Thanks all - I'm going to risk leaving as is, Need a few hours break then will upgrade all the xtensions - there are a lot of them so I guess at least one is the problem [08:51:08] 03(mod) SemanticMaps: `kml' format: all the locations are doubled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32663 +comment (10Mathias Lidal) [08:51:17] 03(mod) The disablepp parameter of action=parse doesn't work, "NewPP limit report" still in output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47333 summary (10Andre Klapper) [08:51:18] 03(mod) When disablepp is set for action=parse, do not store ParserOutput in parser cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41354 (10Andre Klapper) [08:54:08] andre__: I'd like to just tag https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47333 as a duplicate of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41354 ? [08:54:13] 03(mod) Parameter 1 to Language::findVariantLink() expected to be a reference, value given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47335 (10Andre Klapper) [08:54:31] liangent: I wasn't sure. If you are, do it :) [08:55:44] bug 47333 is more detailed [08:57:56] Platonides: 47333 describes appearance and 41354 describes the cause :) [08:58:55] Reedy, maybe you'll know? - NUMBEROFARTICLES in https://he.wikivoyage.org is 341. The number of pages in the main namespace there is 237. $wgContentNamespaces doesn't seem to be customized. Why the difference in numbers then? [08:59:50] liangent, 41354 makes you scratch your head [09:00:06] 47333 makes you "oh, so that is what happens!" [09:00:06] 03(NEW) KML queries get wrong offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47355 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticMaps; () [09:00:26] besides, I don't think we should change the parsercache key [09:00:32] I would put those comments into a separate parseroutput item [09:01:45] 03(mod) Unclear scope of "Restore all default settings" button (resets settings in *all* tabs) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33327 +easy; summary (10Andre Klapper) [09:01:46] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Andre Klapper) [09:08:20] 03(NEW) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 blocker; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [09:10:03] 03(mod) Parameter 1 to Language::findVariantLink() expected to be a reference, value given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47335 +comment (10Liangent) [09:11:58] 03(mod) Restore Special:ActiveUsers prior to the release of MediaWiki 1.21 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47350 (10Andre Klapper) [09:14:53] 03(mod) Parameter 1 to Language::findVariantLink() expected to be a reference, value given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47335 +comment (10liangent) [09:24:55] 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661 04CRIT->major (10denny vrandecic) [09:26:29] 03(mod) namespace setup for new korean wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44899 +comment (10tomasz) [09:43:02] 03(mod) Should return error message (rather than "zero results") when search fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43544 +comment (10aklapper) [09:43:40] 03(mod) ApiQuerySearch broken by new MWSearch interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47353 (10Andre Klapper) [09:44:26] 03(mod) There are module revisions awaiting review, even if dependent templates were patroled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47354 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:48:56] 03(mod) Make Extension:Score use TimedMediaHandler for MIDI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43388 (10Andre Klapper) [09:49:00] 03(mod) Score extension should auto-categorize pages containing invalid input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47351 (10Andre Klapper) [09:49:34] 03(mod) Add Score extension as a Bugzilla component for the "MediaWiki extensions" product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47352 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:53:54] 03(NEW) consumer name issue in back end test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47357 minor; MediaWiki: Categories; () [10:13:33] 03(mod) upload python-voluptuous package to debian.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46375 +comment (10hashar) [10:17:27] 03(mod) Galician localization for the Scribunto extension in Galician - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47262 (10Andre Klapper) [10:17:43] 03(mod) lang:parseFormattedNumber should return a number, not a string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47268 (10Andre Klapper) [10:18:02] 03(mod) Ability to violate Lua module isolation due to retained package table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47300 (10Andre Klapper) [10:20:59] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:22:48] 03(mod) in_array() expects parameter 2 to be array, null given in HTMLForm.php on line 2020 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47341 (10Andre Klapper) [10:23:02] 03(mod) Add hook before changing of userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47338 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [10:31:49] yurik: is there a roadmap for the new api? [10:32:43] Denny_WMDE, there is only that RFC i put together, which attempts to describe the end result (to be finalized in Amsterdam) [10:32:52] (several RFCs to be precise) [10:33:08] one - for overall API, one sub-RFC - naming changes [10:33:10] and one - wikidata API proposal [10:33:28] ok, so no timeline at all yet. ok, just asking for planning [10:33:30] 03(mod) IME layout name is incorrectly aligned in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46778 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [10:33:30] 03(mod) Do not provide one character wide links ("→") when whole sentence following is also relevant to be the same link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342 summary (10Andre Klapper) [10:33:36] there is no step-by-step yet [10:33:38] nope [10:34:05] i wonder if i should start planning the amsterdam meeting [11:12:05] 03(mod) Clean up Etherpad situation on Wikimedia servers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46539 +platformeng (10Andre Klapper) [11:15:22] so [11:15:32] Now do I need to create an alias on WampServer? [11:15:39] for the mw program/ [11:19:04] er [11:19:09] not program... [11:19:12] folder [11:19:15] whatever it is :< [11:24:13] 03(mod) Unsupported operand types at Language.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41194 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:27:06] hey Nischayn22|Away [11:27:45] Nischayn22|Away: may I poke you to take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/51326/ when you can? :) [11:33:27] 03(mod) Using at the translatable subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46925 +comment (10paul.kaganer) [11:36:34] 03(mod) There's an inconsistency in the feedback page view and the permalink view; it looks like the feedback page view is not up-to-date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46797 +comment (10gerritadmin) [11:41:26] 03(mod) There's an inconsistency in the feedback page view and the permalink view; it looks like the feedback page view is not up-to-date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46797 +comment (10mmullie) [11:44:40] 03(mod) Unsupported operand types at Language.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41194 +comment (10sam) [11:47:02] 03(mod) The disablepp parameter of action=parse doesn't work, "NewPP limit report" still in output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47333 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:54:31] can someone explain the gadget-system to me? I understand that I can add my own JS-code to my commons.js and that some gadgets are loaded by default. Some gadgets can be activated in the mediawiki settings. [11:54:49] 03(mod) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 +code-update-regression; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:54:50] But how do I find an interesting Gadget? Is there a list of gadgets anywhere? [11:56:56] 03(NEW) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object in Language.php on line 1325 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47358 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; () [11:59:07] lbenedix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets [12:00:29] that is the "activate in preferences" section [12:00:40] and how can I add a gadget there? [12:01:07] lbenedix: as a wiki sysop or ordinary user? [12:01:22] I just want to understand the process [12:03:05] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets [12:03:27] Is it right to say that the only fundamental difference between a Gadget and an Extension that is mostly JavaScript is the not existent review process for Gadgets? [12:06:35] 03(mod) Provide a 'user-watchlist' that lists all recent contributions of a set of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/470 +comment (10ShoeMaker) [12:08:17] Denny_WMDE: I dont mean the process of writing a Gadget, but the bigger context... Let's say I'm missing a feature in wikidata and this could be implemented with JavaScript... what are the steps to go until the gadget is in the list of gadgets (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets) and what further steps to get it activated by default? [12:09:10] that's up to the wikidata community, that's not a technical question. or do i misunderstand? [12:09:29] they already added a number gadgets [12:10:02] *of gadgets [12:10:07] included by the community [12:21:18] Hi [12:21:49] Node.js and socket.io COLLABORATIVE CODE MANAGEMENT [12:24:34] hi varun2902_ [12:25:12] assembler and electricity AUTOMATIC THINKING MACHINES [12:25:20] hi Denny_WMDE [12:26:34] whole project would be residing at one place(server) just like github but pushing and pulling like features will be replaced by just uploading....each member's work will be in realtime collaboration [12:27:15] Others can spectate the changes.....Thus whole project can be easily integrated [12:27:37] you sure you in the right channel? [12:28:28] So where can i contribute ? [12:29:21] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [12:29:23] to what? [12:29:30] to node.js? [12:29:38] mediawiki for gsoc [12:29:46] Yeah ! [12:30:16] 03(mod) Unable to open activity log after adding note - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46996 +comment (10TMg) [12:30:17] did you check this one out: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013 [12:31:16] Yeah ! there only i found that we can give our ideas [12:32:05] so what are you looking for now? [12:34:12] Node.js Application project [12:34:18] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [12:34:24] Idea [12:34:39] is it Ok [12:36:07] why do you think wikimedia should be interested in it? curious [12:36:27] Denny_WMDE: I got disconnected... have you answered my last question? [12:37:02] 03(mod) Default Text saved from the feedback form after clicking 'No' to Did you find what you were looking for? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37654 +comment (10TMg) [12:37:12] lbenedix: [12:37:12] that's up to the wikidata community, that's not a technical question. or do i misunderstand? [12:37:36] ups, sorry [12:38:10] exactly [12:38:16] its not a technical question [12:38:50] There is the Gadgets-definition-page where admins can add extensions and make them default [12:39:11] then the question should go to the wikidata community, not the mediawiki channel [12:39:25] but where is the discussion about which gadget should be in the list and default? [12:39:48] I hope you are part of the wikidata community ;) [12:40:04] yes, but you are using the mediawiki support and dev IRC channel [12:40:14] right [12:41:39] plus the question is not relevant at the moment... but I want to know it sooner or later [12:46:02] 03(mod) Unable to open activity log after adding note - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46996 +comment (10mmullie) [12:54:33] 03(NEW) Wiki links in notes are not clickable on the detail page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47359 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; () [12:57:10] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:00:44] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:01:19] hi folks. i'm on 1.15, soon to be on 1.20. what's the best bet to allow use of markdown syntax (and are there any pitfalls i haven't thought of)? [13:05:20] 03(NEW) at en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org Special:UserLogin opens after logging in instead of Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47360 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); () [13:06:35] jamiejackson_: why not just use wikisyntax? [13:08:26] jamiejackson_: that's a pretty good question. i already have documents in markdown, and for most things, i like the format. i'm not married to it, though, and i could use conversion tools to get those into wikisyntax. [13:09:14] i take it that it's not recommended to stray from wikisyntax? [13:11:47] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MarkdownSyntax doesn't look very maintained. And I've no idea who the author is either.. [13:11:52] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:12:32] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:12:57] hmm, it probably also needs re-implementing with ContentHandlers [13:13:10] Reedy: yeah, i saw that, and AlternateSyntaxParser and MarkdownExtraGeshi, so that's why i came here. [13:13:26] i'm thinking maybe i don't want to pursue it anymore. ;-) [13:13:36] jamiejackson_: yeah, it's not particularly supported [13:13:55] second question: i have software installation plan documents--one per environment (for four similar documents, total). i would really like to merge them and use conditional logic/variables somehow, where a deployer could switch the page from dev/test/stage/prod and get the document customized for the environment. could you help me understand the feasibility/options? [13:14:44] Lua? [13:14:51] ! Lua | jamiejackson_ [13:14:51] jamiejackson_: ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain [13:14:55] bleh [13:15:04] !lua | jamiejackson_ [13:15:04] jamiejackson_: Scribunto is a new extension that makes it easier to write repeatable code in Lua, rather than in complex wikitext templates. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto for more information. [13:15:10] ah yes that's better :) [13:15:12] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10sam) [13:15:21] jamiejackson_: that should be the easiest way :) [13:15:33] thanks, YuviPanda. off to read that [13:15:35] :) [13:16:42] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:17:23] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:26:20] 03(NEW) Courses become "Passed" as the beginning of their last day instead of the end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47361 minor; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; () [13:27:07] great. i'll have to wait for my own 1.15=>1.20 upgrade first, though. [13:29:02] 03(mod) Unable to find restored edit for batch testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47347 (10Andre Klapper) [13:30:16] 03(mod) Add component for wikidata labs project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47140 +comment (10aklapper) [13:30:52] by the way, is this a reasonable place to ask LdapAuthentication questions? [13:31:08] 03(mod) Please add me to several default CC lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47225 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:34:12] bah, i'll just ask: speaking of upgrading: i've got this dependency on a drupal site (using AuthDrupal) right now in my 1.15 implementation. that dependency is holding up my upgrade, and i wanted to look into severing that dependency, and using LdapAuthentication instead... [13:35:39] always just ask [13:35:55] Though, the LDAP guy isn't around at the moment [13:36:10] And I'm not sure it could replace an auth bridge to drupal.. [13:36:19] however, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication documentation seems to require A) ldap expertise and B) a smart person to read it. in this situation, both A and B are lacking... [13:40:42] here's what i know: this works from the command line to give me a bunch of results: ldapsearch -x -LLL -h ntgdc2a.czq-hq.crabz.com -D 'czq-hq\11123' -w 'I<3B13B3R' -b"dc=czq-hq,dc=crabz,dc=com" -s sub "(objectClass=user)" givenName [13:41:02] ldap is somewhat of a dark art [13:41:41] what i don't know is how to translate that into a proper set of configs for the LDAP_Authentication plugin [13:41:50] Hi, I have a question about how long personnal informations are stored into mediawiki. In France (and in a plenty of countries), personnal datas must have an expiration time. When using Mediawiki in our organization, I'm wondering how I can anonymize the historic of contribution to keep the past year only (for example) ? Is there an extension for that ? [13:41:53] Reedy: man, it sure seems so [13:42:55] janolap1: Why? [13:43:06] all i'm trying to do is get it working to log in, for now. not trying to use SSL yet, not trying to use groups. i could use some handholding, if any of you knows this extension [13:43:23] The only personal information MW will keep is IP addresses, and even more so if you don't have the check user extension installed [13:43:40] jamiejackson_: The guy you ideally need to speak to is Ryan Lane as he wrote it [13:44:28] Reedy : Our laws about personnal data protection tells that presonal data shouldn't be conserved for ever. [13:44:35] What personal data? [13:45:28] Reedy: From the extension details: "How to ask for extension support Please ask for extension support on the discussion page of the extension. You can also email me through this wiki; however, I prefer to give support in open forums... [13:46:00] i posted on the funky forums, but didn't get a response. i guess it's time to ping him by email. thanks, Reedy [13:49:11] Reedy : A personnal data is whatever could help someone to recognize another one (for example his name, his driving licence number, his IP, his email, his fingerprint, etc.). So I have to delete personnal informations once the goal of the processing personnal data is acheived. For example, I keep personnal data on mediawiki to have enough time to check that the user doesn't destroy some pages... [13:49:41] Reedy : (sorry for my english) [13:49:58] hashar: ^^ [13:50:08] tool long [13:50:28] lol [13:50:43] I just parsed license / personal / private [13:50:49] and france too [13:50:51] that is enough for me to dismiss the text [13:55:00] I have tried the extension called DeleteHistory, but It doesn't seems to keep history at all (I don't exactly know what it does). [13:59:30] Anyone has ever used DeleteHistory ? can I use it to delete history, except changes for the last past year ? [14:01:04] Reedy : This law applies to europe too... [14:01:13] Yes [14:01:30] Wikimedia don't do this sort of data descructio [14:01:31] n [14:01:53] As if you remove the IP of a contribution, you're breaking the copyright/attribution of the licensing of the data [14:02:07] Checkuser logs are kept for a shorter period like you suggest [14:02:16] Removing IP from contribs seems overkill [14:02:31] I know... but I'm not working for wikimedia :-) [14:03:25] I'm just using mediawiki for my administration organization. [14:03:39] Sure [14:03:47] But it still seems weird [14:04:29] You can hack it by doing an sql query on the revision table to set all rev_user_text to something where rev_user = 0 and date < now() - 1 year [14:06:30] Reedy : Ok, it's a solution (it's weird, but it's like that, Even google think of deleting people informations with it's new functionnality Inactive Account Manager) [14:06:53] I can prepare such a sql script to do this. I'll check that. Thanks ! [14:08:37] janolap1: Another way... [14:08:39] Might be easier [14:09:07] We have features for hiding usernames that made revisions, rather than deleting the whole row [14:09:14] That might work, but would be more of a manual process.. [14:10:05] Reedy : Ok, but the law says : destroy the data, or anonymize it... [14:10:39] Reedy : where can I find informations about the database structure and specifically on the revision table ? [14:11:33] Reedy : (and I'm a little lazy about doing things manually) [14:12:21] Reedy : ok, I found it : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Revision_table [14:15:09] 03(mod) Restore Special:ActiveUsers prior to the release of MediaWiki 1.21 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47350 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [14:15:49] 03(mod) [TUX] RTL proofread action icons are needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47257 (10Siebrand) [14:17:24] 03(mod) [[Wikipedia]] auto-linking in Bugzilla does not work for non-ascii characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46837 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:25:37] 03(mod) [Regression] Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in EducationProgram/includes/pagers/ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46577 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:28:24] 03(mod) Kill the "ALL YOUR BUG ARE BELONG TO ME" splash on the front page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45678 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:28:27] 03(mod) Customise Bugzilla front page to have more useful links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22170 (10Andre Klapper) [14:42:59] 03(mod) Add button to "expand all" sections of a page (Mobile view) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45951 +comment (10Pragun Bhutani) [14:55:34] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10fur.hewiki) [14:58:22] hi! I want to delete all pages and files in my mediawiki installation, how to do that? [14:59:26] I imported some pages from another wiki but without version history, now I want to reimport it w/ the history [15:01:21] 03(mod) Lead image upload button not showing up on iPhone 4/Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47322 +comment (10brion) [15:01:45] gandaro: simplest way -- delete the database and start over :) [15:02:04] brion: ...... okay :> [15:02:46] go into mysql and do a 'drop database mydbname' - http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/drop-database.html [15:03:01] then just run the wiki installer again and create a fresh db [15:03:10] oh -- and delete your LocalSettings [15:07:15] <^demon> brion: One thing I wish I'd done with the installer rewrite was allow you to have a LocalSettings in place, and attempt installation based on it. [15:07:21] <^demon> If everything's sane but db DNE. [15:07:27] ooh that'd be nice [15:07:30] yeah [15:07:46] or if your old db broke and signed a DNR [15:08:11] <^demon> Heh. [15:09:24] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10fur.hewiki) [15:11:42] brion: already done [15:12:02] Is there a way for deleting pages permanently with the current MediaWiki version? [15:12:11] DeletePagePermanently did not seem to work for me [15:12:40] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10fur.hewiki) [15:13:15] Hi... I am looking for a tool to create and ORG CHART at my wiki... is there any? [15:15:10] 03(mod) action: 'imagerotate' fails on bigger images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46548 +comment (10rainerrillke) [15:18:32] 03(mod) WikiEditor edit controls gone from test2wiki in IEs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47065 +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon) [15:19:26] 03(mod) Caption tags are stripped from tables when VE converts data model to DOM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47349 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [15:20:08] 03(mod) Caption tags are stripped from tables when VE converts data model to DOM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47349 +comment (10Roan Kattouw) [15:20:13] 03(mod) There are module revisions awaiting review, even if dependent templates were patroled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47354 +comment (10rumata) [15:22:43] 03(mod) There are module revisions awaiting review, even if dependent templates were patroled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47354 +comment (10rumata) [15:24:01] Hi Betacommand! [15:24:24] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Caption tags are stripped from tables when VE converts data model to DOM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47349 summary (10James Forrester) [15:26:23] RickyB98: hay [15:31:01] 03(mod) ApiQuerySearch broken by new MWSearch interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47353 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:32:55] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch integration for deployed wikis from tabLayout "add" to "replace" mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46872 summary (10James Forrester) [15:33:12] Susan: yeah, having two "Release Manager"s is kind of confusing, and for that I'm sad. [15:37:13] 03(mod) Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=${ip} takes 30-90 seconds to load, sometimes is 504 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47045 summary; +comment (10jeremyb) [15:37:21] Kyzz: Where are you on a MediaWiki setup? :) [15:37:51] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Paragraph containing nowiki block does not change style unless block selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41203 (10James Forrester) [15:38:52] 03(NEW) VM can't handle unit tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47362 normal; Tools: Vagrant; () [15:39:11] 03(mod) VM can't handle unit tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47362 (10Tyler Romeo) [15:39:57] 03(mod) Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=${ip} takes 30-90 seconds to load, sometimes is 504 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47045 +comment (10Cyberpower678) [15:49:17] 03(NEW) Raise $wgMaxImageArea and $wgMaxAnimatedGifArea to highest allowable limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47363 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [15:53:53] hi qgil how are you? [15:54:40] sumanah, hello! trying to reply the emails I must reply AND have time to wrie finally the OPW / GSoC blog post. Other than that, good. :) [15:54:47] :-) [15:55:10] sumanah, happy to see that Possible Projects has its own gravity attracting new proposals [15:57:05] 03(mod) action: 'imagerotate' fails on bigger images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46548 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:58:43] ~seen santhosh [16:00:04] YAY [16:00:11] diadara: I think you want !seen ? [16:01:32] !seen santhosh [16:01:58] 03(mod) VisualEditor: html/* attributes shouldn't be cloned when cloning elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47297 +comment (10gerritadmin) [16:10:27] sumanah: :-( [16:10:51] Hi odder - I'm sorry, I don't have the context for your :( [16:10:52] I can has a seen bot in this channel. But there's plenty of bots here already! [16:11:06] !bot [16:11:06] A bot is an automatic process which interacts with MediaWiki as though it were a human editor and is designed to simplify repetitive actions too cumbersome to do manually. An overview of how to create a bot and a list of known frameworks can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot [16:11:13] !wm-bot [16:11:13] Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot [16:12:23] weird; we used to have a !seen command. petan - am I doing something wrong? [16:12:54] I'm here! [16:13:15] !seen sumanah [16:14:59] !seen odder [16:14:59] odder: You are odder! [16:15:11] stupid little thing. [16:15:50] odder: did you mean @seen ? [16:16:09] @notify santhosh [16:16:09] I will notify you, when I see santhosh around here [16:20:23] 03(mod) Add button to "expand all" sections of a page (Mobile view) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45951 +comment (10jrobson) [16:21:12] @seen odder [16:21:12] RootCanaledPanda: odder is in here, right now [16:21:20] who would've thought, eh [16:23:09] @seen santhosh [16:23:09] sumanah: Last time I saw santhosh they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: ഇപ്പൊ പോകുന്നു. പിന്നെ കാണാം N/A at 4/15/2013 9:51:47 AM (3.06:31:21.7672240 ago) [16:26:10] 03(mod) intermittent: Trying to get patrol token via API fails with "Action 'patrol' is not allowed for the current user", even though user has patroller rights. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47348 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [16:28:42] nice. [16:29:04] Hallo. NUMBEROFARTICLES in https://he.wikivoyage.org is 341. The number of pages in the main namespace there is 237. $wgContentNamespaces doesn't seem to be customized. Why the difference in numbers then? [16:29:34] sumanah: Santhosh will probably be offline for a while. [16:29:55] aharoni: got it! I was asking because diadara had been looking for santhosh. I don't know diadara though. [16:30:12] 03(mod) [TUX] duplicate results are shown when filtering/searching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47198 (10Siebrand) [16:30:29] you can redirect to Niklas and me. (Niklas is also offline for a few days.) [16:36:45] 03(mod) Increase account creation limits for it.wiki (April 20) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47315 +comment (10gerritadmin) [16:37:59] 03(NEW) [[Special:Activeusers]] results in No such special page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47364 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [16:38:18] 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339 +comment (10Chris McMahon) [16:39:21] 03(mod) [[Special:Activeusers]] results in No such special page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47364 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [16:39:22] 03(mod) Special:ActiveUsers does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46938 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [16:39:39] aharoni: good question. [16:40:03] It's the third time I'm trying today. I guess that I'll open a bug. [16:40:56] I suspect that it has something to do with indexing problems that sometimes happen on new sites. Search is often broken on them, for example, but not in this case. [16:40:59] for some reason, redirects are counted like normal article pages [16:41:53] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Running_maintenance_scripts might be just enough. [16:41:59] no idea tho [16:44:59] 03(mod) Increase account creation limits for it.wiki (April 20) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47315 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [16:46:20] 03(mod) rebuildTermSearchKey script on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46378 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [16:47:29] hello, humans [16:47:39] Dragonfly6-7: Hi! [16:47:43] I was looking at my user preferences -- can someone remind me what "Quickbar" is? [16:47:59] I think it was an old name for the sidebar [16:48:05] let me check [16:50:33] Dragonfly6-7: Looks like quickbar was removed in most recent mediawiki [16:50:48] ah [16:50:55] so its presence in the preferences is... just an atavis, [16:50:56] atavism [16:51:15] 03(mod) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [16:52:07] Dragonfly6-7: I think it was the "sidebar" on the classic skin [16:52:19] Dragonfly6-7: and you could change where it was displayed in your prefs [16:52:34] Dragonfly6-7: but the classic skin has been killed, so pref is now gone [16:53:13] Dragonfly6-7: Well actually CologneBlue used to support the quick bar setting, but looks like it doesn't any more [16:54:30] Not actually killed [16:54:32] but okay [16:58:33] hi guys, what means VisualEditor plugins? [16:58:38] how can I learn to do that? [16:59:33] Raylton_away, you might want to try #mediawiki-visualeditor [17:00:00] Krenair, thanks! [17:03:35] 03(NEW) Warning: mb_strpos() Empty delimiter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47365 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Scribunto; () [17:05:52] Dragonfly6-7: well the setting was killed [17:06:37] * Dragonfly6-7 nods [17:06:38] thanks [17:08:21] @trust [17:08:26] Erm. [17:16:57] 03(mod) Special:BlockList doesn't accept username with spaces via URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47218 -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Tyler Romeo) [17:28:29] 03(mod) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 +comment (10Fomafix) [17:30:26] 03(mod) [TUX] Update Translate extension documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45601 major->normal; +comment (10Siebrand) [17:33:39] 03(mod) Inappropriate things being done in Title::invalidateCache() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46816 +comment (10gerritadmin) [17:37:11] 03(mod) Update doxygen from 1.7.x to 1.8.x on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46771 summary (10Andre Klapper) [17:41:37] 03(mod) MessageCache.php: Could not acquire lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43516 -ops ; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:44:19] 03(NEW) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366 major; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [17:52:16] 03(mod) Remove "hits" from CAPTCHA dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16166 -ops +platformeng; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:53:06] 03(mod) Correctly answer to OPTIONS method (Squids appear to reject CORS OPTIONS query before it ever gets to the API) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41731 normal->minor; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:58:13] 03(mod) [TUX] Update Translate extension documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45601 (10Siebrand) [17:59:19] 03(mod) [TUX] Group selector and language selector popups overlap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45699 (10Siebrand) [18:00:03] 03(mod) MySQL client ran out of memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46814 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [18:03:19] 03(mod) Add custom field to Bugzilla for RT (rt.wikimedia.org) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45589 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:03:26] 03(mod) [OPS] adapt varnish mobile puppet class on beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44041 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:05:24] 03(mod) Correctly answer to OPTIONS method (Squids appear to reject CORS OPTIONS query before it ever gets to the API) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41731 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [18:05:28] 03(mod) Debian package for pypi module 'statsd' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47263 +comment (10hashar) [18:05:57] 03(mod) [TUX] Better adapt textarea to content: height doesn't fit text length automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45430 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:06:03] 03(mod) [TUX] Increase spacing for "Discard changes" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47014 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:06:21] 03(mod) upload python-voluptuous package to debian.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46375 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:06:38] 03(mod) Debian package for pypi module 'statsd' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47263 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:06:52] 03(mod) upload python-statsd package to debian.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47285 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:07:36] U/g from 1.16 to 1.20.4. db Update completes without error. Can someone look at https://wikispooks.com/w-1.20.4/ and give me a pointer as to what might casing this error [18:08:08] 03(mod) [TUX] Clicking group selector does nothing until data is loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45559 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:08:29] 03(mod) upload python-voluptuous package to debian.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46375 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:08:31] 03(mod) [upstream] create an Ubuntu package for Zuul - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46552 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [18:08:49] Sabretache: File permissions on /var/www/vhosts/wikispooks.com/httpdocs/w-1.20.4/cache/ [18:09:09] thanks - that could be it [18:10:28] 03(mod) [TUX] Display loading indicator while loading data in group selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46829 normal->15enhancement (10Siebrand) [18:12:07] 03(mod) [TUX] Unclear filtering completion status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45434 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:12:10] Bingo!! That was it. Now to enable extensions one by one. Thanks [18:12:43] 03(mod) [TUX] duplicate results are shown when filtering/searching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47198 (10Siebrand) [18:13:21] 03(mod) [TUX] Update Translate extension documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45601 (10Siebrand) [18:14:08] AaronSchulz: I can't believe php doesn't have a finally block... [18:14:25] * bawolff should probably not be surprised [18:15:29] 03(mod) [TUX] Provide information at word level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45426 (10Siebrand) [18:15:37] or I guess it was Daniel who made that comment, gerrit mails are confusing [18:15:40] 03(mod) Warning: mb_strpos() Empty delimiter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47365 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:16:12] 03(mod) Warning: mb_strpos() Empty delimiter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47365 +patch-in-gerrit (10Brad Jorsch) [18:16:36] 03(mod) Allow linking to Wikimedia's Mingle instance in "See Also" field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45741 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:16:43] 03(NEW) Merge list=allusers and list=users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47367 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [18:17:19] 03(mod) Add component for wikidata labs project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47140 +comment (10aude.wiki) [18:18:15] Weren't we going to get rid of wikibugs from this channel? [18:18:16] 03(mod) Add custom field to Bugzilla for RT (rt.wikimedia.org) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45589 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [18:18:28] 03(mod) Allow linking to Wikimedia's Mingle instance in "See Also" field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45741 (10Andre Klapper) [18:19:34] 03(NEW) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EventLogging; () [18:20:01] 03(mod) [TUX] Buttons to insert non-translatable parts like parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38350 +comment (10s.mazeland) [18:20:17] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10yuvipanda) [18:30:59] Hmm, so we don't allow filtering by username on Special:listfiles and sorting by size since there is no index [18:31:10] But sorting by img_name is ok, even though there's no index there [18:31:28] hmm, manually setting the url parameters for sort by size is ok too! https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListFiles&limit=50&user=bawolff&sort=img_size&asc=&desc=1 [18:33:06] 03(NEW) Entries "vibrate" on Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47369 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [18:35:55] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10dtaraborelli) [18:37:13] 03(mod) Update doxygen from 1.7.x to 1.8.x on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46771 +comment (10Leslie Carr) [18:38:08] 03(mod) Install Tidy on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40029 +comment (10Leslie Carr) [18:39:05] 03(mod) Install PHP xdiff extension on gallium (PHPUnit skipping tests) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41683 +comment (10Leslie Carr) [18:41:33] 03(mod) Install Jenkins Job Builder on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43141 +comment (10Leslie Carr) [18:41:41] Ha, I can order by any field. I wonder if that works for all pagers... [18:42:23] 03(mod) Replacing table layout in registration and login forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34751 (10spage) [18:42:45] bawolff: that's an undocumented feature! :D [18:43:05] Vulpix: yeah, I definitely should not be able to do https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListFiles&limit=50&user=bawolff&sort=img_description&asc=&desc=1 [18:43:13] 03(mod) Replacing table layout in registration and login forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34751 (10spage) [18:43:32] There is definitely no index on (img_user_text, img_description) [18:43:55] 03(mod) reevaluate partitioning scheme for apaches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36488 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [18:44:16] yep, that's bad [18:45:49] Vulpix: Only for a prolific uploader [18:45:59] but yes, things to fix this afternoon [18:46:27] 03(mod) No message for "Session Expiration" in new TUX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47172 major->minor (10Siebrand) [18:46:55] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10yuvipanda) [18:49:11] 03(mod) [TUX] Proofread tooltip stuck in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46875 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:50:10] 03(mod) [TUX] Validate dynamic statsbar updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46881 +need-integration-test +need-unittest (10Siebrand) [18:50:16] 03(mod) Javascript error in lqt.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25480 +comment (10Jaime Lyn) [18:50:19] 03(mod) Install PHP xdiff extension on gallium (PHPUnit skipping tests) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41683 +comment (10Chad H.) [18:50:37] 03(NEW) Internet Explorer prints only one page when 8 pages are expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47370 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [18:52:41] 03(mod) [TUX] Multiple suggestions for the same machine translation engine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46991 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:54:08] 03(mod) WTA - Language links split into two lines in Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46958 (10spage) [18:55:46] 03(mod) [TUX] Translation tabs are not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47003 (10Siebrand) [18:56:30] 03(mod) [TUX] UI text falls of window and creates horizontal scroll bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47043 (10Siebrand) [18:56:51] 03(mod) [TUX] "You have unsaved translations" warning is kept across tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47119 (10Siebrand) [18:57:52] 03(mod) If web notifications are turned off the yellow bar of death does not return - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46550 +comment (10gerritadmin) [19:01:44] 03(mod) MessageCache.php: Could not acquire lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43516 +comment (10s.mazeland) [19:01:56] 03(NEW) badlogin CAPTCHA doesn't work in new login form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47371 normal; MediaWiki: User login; () [19:03:16] Vulpix: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59879 [19:04:07] 03(mod) MessageCache.php: Could not acquire lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43516 +comment (10swalling) [19:04:57] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10yuvipanda) [19:07:16] 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764 +comment (10Juliusz Gonera) [19:13:22] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10yuvipanda) [19:19:33] hey Vulpix - ping [19:19:34] 03(mod) If web notifications are turned off the yellow bar of death does not return - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46550 (10Ryan Kaldari) [19:20:31] sumanah: pong [19:21:02] Vulpix: can you think of anyone whom you wish to encourage to come to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013 to hack with us and learn with us? [19:21:11] the 20th is the last day to apply for a travel subsidy [19:21:44] nope, sorry :( [19:22:28] 03(NEW) Other image CAPTCHAs can be confusing without intended message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47372 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [19:22:58] 03(NEW) RT failure: Extra newline added at end of body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47373 normal; VisualEditor: General; () [19:23:25] 03(mod) Install PHP xdiff extension on gallium (PHPUnit skipping tests) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41683 +comment (10hashar) [19:24:09] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Round-tripping failure - Extra newline added at end of body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47373 summary (10James Forrester) [19:28:35] 03(NEW) "Donate Image" button shows on Windows Phone 8 (mobile IE 10), but does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47374 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [19:31:32] 03(mod) badlogin CAPTCHA doesn't work in new login form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47371 (10spage) [19:33:15] 03(NEW) Transaction idle or pre-commit callbacks still pending - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47375 minor; MediaWiki: Database; () [19:39:58] sumanah hello [19:40:37] hi Rahul21 [19:40:43] 03(mod) "Donate Image" button shows on Windows Phone 8 (mobile IE 10), but does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47374 +comment (10brion) [19:41:01] sumanah how have you been doing? [19:41:03] Rahul21: are you watching the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-04-18 stream right now? [19:41:15] sumanah no [19:41:23] you should consider it [19:41:45] sumanah sure [19:41:46] Rahul21: I'm okay, hope you are well [19:42:48] sumanah yes, I'm going to have a busy week in college with submissions and vivas,then will be back to mediawiki :) [19:43:58] sumanah: what's necessary to ask for a project grant? [19:44:41] Amgine_: have you already checked out the proposal guidelines? [19:44:54] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG [19:45:03] 03(mod) Clarify that "shell" keyword means "to be acted upon" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46781 (10Andre Klapper) [19:45:05] No. [19:46:28] 03(mod) List open urgent priority tickets in "Bugzilla Weekly Report" on wikitech-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47176 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [19:46:44] Mmm, I wonder if I can write one for someone else... [19:47:57] 03(mod) [[Wikipedia]] auto-linking in Bugzilla does not work for non-ascii characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46837 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [19:52:36] yaron: yes we can hear you [19:56:17] 03(mod) Raise $wgMaxImageArea and $wgMaxAnimatedGifArea to highest allowable limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47363 +comment (10gerritadmin) [19:57:08] yes the audio is working yaron [19:59:48] 03(NEW) Suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47376 enhancement; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; () [19:59:53] 03(NEW) Cannot multiply list with float - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47377 normal; Analytics: User Metrics; () [20:00:53] 03(mod) use puzzle piece globe to guide users to specific languages, encourage new Incubator wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47376 +design; summary (10Sumana Harihareswara) [20:03:27] 03(NEW) Not catching StopIteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47378 normal; Analytics: User Metrics; () [20:05:30] 03(mod) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [20:05:38] Oups. Is gerrit broken? [20:06:39] 03(NEW) Cannot read pickled file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47379 normal; Analytics: User Metrics; () [20:07:44] "Cannot assign user name" [20:08:15] yaron: the questions are in #wikimedia-dev in case you want to see them directky [20:08:18] directly* [20:09:12] 03(mod) Parsoid always enables subpage support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47136 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:10:08] 03(NEW) Stray wiki text on image description page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47380 normal; Commons App: Android; () [20:12:02] 03(mod) Add component for wikidata labs project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47140 +comment (10aklapper) [20:17:07] Hy guys [20:17:13] I have a question [20:17:20] hi Hondansx200gt go ahead [20:17:39] Someone in the hidden wiki is changing my link constantly [20:17:51] And I think it is automated [20:18:03] Because, it changes really fast, and any time in the day [20:18:20] I'm quite desperate, and don't know what to do [20:18:45] What wiki are we talking about? [20:18:47] 03(mod) Entries "vibrate" on Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47369 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [20:19:15] The hidden wiki, the "official" hidden wiki not the cleaned one [20:19:49] 1 sec, I paste the link [20:20:25] 03(mod) Merge list=allusers and list=users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47367 +comment (10bjorsch) [20:21:03] 03(NEW) Add extension to show infos about a Moodle course - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47381 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; () [20:21:05] 03(mod) Add extension to show infos about a Moodle course - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47381 (10Jan Luca) [20:21:10] Hondansx200gt: this is the channel for MediaWiki in general - the software. Many individual sysadmins download and use it to run public and private wikis [20:21:57] ok, and does your software give me an option to fight against this constant link change? [20:22:35] or is there any option about automated editing? [20:22:38] you could protect a page so that only wiki administrators could change the content of a page [20:22:43] 03(mod) Javascript error in lqt.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25480 +comment (10aklapper) [20:23:20] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Round-tripping failure - Extra newline added at end of body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47373 (10James Forrester) [20:23:49] Ok, because this guy is using some sort of code, or software to do that [20:23:57] sumanah, was on #wikimedia :) [20:24:01] hi diadara [20:24:02] So I was hoping there is a way to "fught back [20:24:21] Hondansx200gt: or even install http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter and create a rule that prevents the removal/edition of that section or the link [20:24:38] wow, that sounds great Vulpix [20:24:44] I'll try that [20:24:53] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Avoid triggering "XMLHttpRequest cannot load. Origin is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42974 +comment (10C. Scott Ananian) [20:25:10] 03(mod) Open translatewiki tickets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44959 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:25:20] hi sumanah ,I am in IST too [20:25:40] diadara: ok. So go ahead and repeat your question here [20:26:09] 03(NEW) commons: display after creating account style issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47382 normal; MediaWiki: User login; () [20:26:30] hello everyone ,I am new to mediawiki ,I got introduced to a project while working on a project from another org ,with gsoc ,so is there a gsoc specific mailing list or irc channel,hope I am not too late [20:27:54] should I be directly contacting the mentors ? [20:28:18] 03(mod) Open translatewiki tickets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44959 (10Jon) [20:28:45] diadara: no, not a specific gsoc mailing list, the main list is at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l [20:29:54] 03(mod) Internet Explorer prints only one page when 8 pages are expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47370 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [20:30:10] 03(mod) Entries "vibrate" on Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47369 (10Andre Klapper) [20:31:38] diadara: I'm not quite sure what you want here. Am I right in thinking that you want to apply to work with MediaWiki for GSoC 2013 ? [20:34:02] 03(mod) Entries "vibrate" on Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47369 +comment (10Daniel Renfro) [20:34:47] 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764 +comment (10mpinchuk) [20:35:25] 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764 +comment (10jrobson) [20:35:49] sumanah, yes ,I want to apply for gsoc with mediawiki .well I wanted to get Introduced to the community . [20:36:19] diadara: That's what is happening now -- your introduction to the community. (And by the way, you really need to work on your spacing, punctuation, and capitalization) [20:36:56] 03(mod) deadlocks mass-deleting media files in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13921 (10Aaron Schulz) [20:37:06] diadara: what specifically interests you about MediaWiki? [20:37:09] sorry for being lazy. [20:37:57] I was intrested in adding more features to the jquery.ime pluggin [20:38:16] it was a sugested idea [20:38:34] Have you worked with jQuery before? [20:38:57] Also, what specifically is interesting to you about working on MediaWiki? Have you ever edited Wikipedia or contributed to one of the other Wikimedia projects? [20:39:55] 03(mod) Stray wiki text on image description page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47380 +comment (10brion) [20:39:58] 03(mod) Parsoid always enables subpage support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47136 +comment (10C. Scott Ananian) [20:40:30] I have used jquery for usual ,hide, show stuffs and for ajax stuff . [20:41:12] and no I have not cotributed much to the community,Will it count against me [20:41:28] diadara: I prefer to think of it this way: the more you contribute, the better your application looks. [20:43:17] 03(mod) Gadgets now leak into mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44918 +comment (10Jon) [20:43:55] So,,how can I improve my chances ,should I start working on some of the proposed stuff ? [20:44:13] 03(mod) Lead image upload button not showing up on iPhone 4/Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47322 +comment (10Jon) [20:44:16] how can I personalize Mediawiki [20:44:31] diadara: That can help, but also just finding a very small bug and fixing that can also really help [20:44:42] (doing that is easier said then done when you are new) [20:44:46] sumanah: is it still possible to register for the travel scholarshipt for amsterdam? [20:44:51] yes [20:44:54] till 20 April [20:45:45] someone answer mw [20:45:48] sorry, me [20:46:04] Hi Fabio_ - perhaps you could be more specific? [20:46:07] and can you give me an aproximation if its reasonable to register, or are there allready thousands of people in the queue? [20:46:07] Fabio_: Consider being more specific - personalize how [20:46:37] ha git doesn't seem to send me new patchset uploaded notices [20:46:45] or maybe i just missed it [20:47:11] lbenedix: it is not thousands. Go ahead. [20:47:31] maybe the last question: what does affiliation means in this context? [20:47:54] so, I have installed Mediawiki on my domain but I want some graphic customization [20:48:25] Fabio_: what exactly do you want to do? [20:48:31] he seems to be trolling on #wikipedia-it btw [20:48:42] lbenedix: you are a university student, right? the university would work as your affiliation [20:49:59] 03(mod) language links inconsistent in new form appearance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47187 (10Steven Walling) [20:50:25] 03(mod) Install PHP xdiff extension on gallium (PHPUnit skipping tests) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41683 +comment (10lcarr) [20:50:28] 03(mod) Add extension to show infos about a Moodle course - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47381 (10Quim Gil) [20:50:45] You know that at the right of search box there is search pulsant (i don't know the real name) i want to make only one pulsant [20:51:37] 03(NEW) Update Apple Touch icon for Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47383 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [20:52:03] pulsant [20:52:08] button? [20:52:11] g2g [20:52:20] 03(mod) Titles in Nearby run into distance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47320 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:52:32] Fabio_: an annotated screenshot might help. [20:52:42] bawolff, sumanah: he's trolling on it.wiki's channel, frainkly we'd better don't waste our time [20:53:15] oh. [20:53:17] Thanks. [20:53:30] Sorry for not hearing you the first time Vito [20:53:47] nvm sumanah ;) [20:53:53] 03(mod) Update Apple Touch icon for Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47383 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [20:54:02] but is he trolling here? [20:54:12] !skin [20:54:13] There are multiple keys, refine your input: skingallery, skinning, skins, [20:54:23] !skinning | Fabio_ [20:54:23] Fabio_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial and the historical archive [20:54:49] lbenedix: hes making a bunch of pointless questions on both channels, then he joined under another ilarious nickname [20:54:52] so, if we go to en.wikipedia.org there's one find pulsant, if i download mediawiki from domain, i have two pulsant [20:55:19] what is a "pulsant"? [20:55:39] Regarding markup, is it possible to stop links from being automatically processed when it's within 
 tags?
[20:55:46] 	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pulsant :-(
[20:56:03] 	 by pure luck anyone here good in vbulletin?
[20:56:07] 	 It means button.
[20:56:24] 	 Let's use this opportunity to update the Wiktionary entry then!
[20:56:43] 	 pulsante it's the Italian for button
[20:56:48] 	 ok
[20:56:56] 	 that's impossible Vito. I have opened only one chat session, this (è impossibile, vito ho aperto solo una sessione di chat)
[20:57:08] 	 but frankly I think you're going on wasting your time lbenedix
[20:57:13] 	 I dont see any button on enwiki
[20:57:22] 	 ok
[20:57:31] 	 Fabio_: I only see one search button on my local mediawiki. Can you take a screenshot of what you see and put it on e.g. http://imgur.com so we can talk about this more informedly?
[20:57:31] * Vito  will change the topic to "Vito said it!"
[20:57:51] * lbenedix  has to register for amsterdam now ;)
[20:57:52] 	 Vito: :-( I was editing the entry :-(
[20:57:56] 	 03(mod) special mobile options javascript runs at bottom of page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46906  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:57:57] 	 03(mod) Update Apple Touch icon for Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47383  +comment (10massaf)
[20:58:00] 	 03(NEW) UW hangs on upload in some circumstances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47384 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[20:58:02] 	 odder: shame on you :p
[20:58:04] 	 03(mod) special mobile options javascript runs at bottom of page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46906  (10Jon)
[20:58:39] 	 03(mod) wb_terms population strangeness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46867  +comment (10sam)
[20:58:41] 	 i talk about magnifying glass
[20:58:50] 	 Oh, duh, I wasn't using 
 tags
[20:58:50] 	 OK, that much I see.
[20:58:53] 	 Sorry, lack of sleep
[20:58:56] 	 Fabio_: Screenshot, please.
[20:59:10] 	 03(mod) wb_terms population strangeness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46867  +comment (10sam)
[20:59:24] 	 wait, i'm doing it
[21:02:22] 	 I think he is talking about this: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/qd34df4cps_(2013-04-18_23.01.29).png
[21:03:01] 	 strike
[21:03:03] 	 Ah.
[21:03:10] 	 03(mod) Titles in Nearby run into distance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47320  (10Jon)
[21:03:15] 	 !e Vector | Fabio_
[21:03:15] 	 Fabio_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Vector
[21:03:30] 	 And maybe make sure you're using the Vector skin
[21:06:12] 	 sumanah: about the scholarship.... Is it possible to get assistance with the travel and the accomodation if I'm looking for the accomodation by myself?
[21:07:33] 	 03(mod) Correctly answer to OPTIONS method (Squids appear to reject CORS OPTIONS query before it ever gets to the API) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41731  +comment (10drogus)
[21:08:52] 	 03(mod) Install Tidy on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40029  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[21:10:41] 	 lbenedix: you could try
[21:10:50] 	 go ahead, fill out the form, put in your comments
[21:11:05] 	 i'm filling it out right now
[21:11:48] 	 and I'm wondering if it would create hazzle for the orga-team if I do strange/unintended things there
[21:12:46] 	 then add an apology in the notes :-)
[21:12:54] 	 03(mod) Search button not clickable in non javascript mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47290  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:13:14] 	 03(mod) Search button not clickable in non javascript mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47290  (10Jon)
[21:13:40] 	 03(mod) WP7 does not allow you to search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40986  (10Jon)
[21:23:30] 	 03(mod) Add component for wikidata labs project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47140  +comment (10aude.wiki)
[21:28:05] 	 03(NEW) Can't log in into Gerrit — "Cannot assign user name" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47385 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; ()
[21:28:33] 	 03(mod) Can't log in into Gerrit — "Cannot assign user name" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47385  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:30:05] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch integration for deployed wikis from tabLayout "add" to "replace" mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46872  +comment (10James Forrester)
[21:30:26] 	 We've got an extension called Sarcasm? Really?
[21:32:52] 	 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764  +comment (10jrobson)
[21:33:24] 	 Reedy: Really?!
[21:33:27] * James_F  grins.
[21:33:41] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Sarcasm.git
[21:33:42] 	 :D
[21:34:33] 	 Reedy: That should have been Really?!, clearly. :-)
[21:40:43] 	 03(NEW) New bz component for Extension:Nonlinear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47386 minor; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[21:44:29] 	 03(mod) Entering a very long user name while logging creates overflow in text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46966  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[21:45:16] 	 03(mod) Many SVG files without namespace (xmlns) attribute have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[21:49:30] 	 03(NEW) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; ()
[21:50:20] 	 03(NEW) Fatal error: Call to undefined method EducationProgram\EPArticle::getField() in EPArticle.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47388 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; ()
[21:52:25] 	 bonsoir
[21:52:32] 	 moogsi: Salut!
[21:52:50] 	 does anyone know if there is any information available about alternatives to categories?
[21:53:00] 	 has anyone written about tags in mediawiki for example
[21:53:16] 	 moogsi: I think James_F has some rants queued up on that subject
[21:53:31] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to undefined method EducationProgram\EPArticle::getField() in EPArticle.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47388  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:53:45] 	 almost daily something happens at Commons that highlights how the category system doesn't really work there
[21:53:51] 	 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764  +comment (10Jon)
[21:54:36] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10sam)
[21:55:08] 	 moogsi: Hi
[21:55:12] 	 biggest problem seems to be i18n, we have a big multicultural project and the category names are in English only
[21:55:18] 	 oh hey bawolff
[21:55:27] * bawolff  is interested in making cats not suck
[21:55:40] 	 i thought about that pdf display thing
[21:55:56] 	 do you need the Go! button for some circumstances?
[21:56:19] 	 because from my perspective it doesn't have a purpose
[21:56:37] 	 03(NEW) EducationProgram unit tests are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47389 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; ()
[21:56:53] 	 changing the page number instantly loads a different page... i guess with some browsers you might need to press it?
[21:57:13] 	 moogsi: In theory, if you have js disabled
[21:57:25] 	 ah i see
[21:57:51] 	 although most people now a days just assume that people have js...
[21:58:41] 	 03(mod) EducationProgram unit tests are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47389  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[21:59:13] 	 moogsi: anyways, for categories. Currently one of the things possibly in the works is proper support for category redirects
[21:59:55] 	 using Commons with js turned off does kind of suck anyway
[22:00:22] 	 bawolff: right, i'm unsure what the exact problem is with redirects... i need to catch up on that
[22:00:41] 	 there appears to be some argument between people who think using a template is necessary and those who think we don't need it
[22:01:12] 	 maybe that is a separate issue
[22:01:15] 	 moogsi: Well that's slightly different from "proper category redirects:
[22:02:01] 	 That issue is, that if its a hard redirect (#REDIRECT) then anywhere you link to that page, mediawiki puts a class on the link so it can be styled with css
[22:02:25] 	 if you put [[category:Some category that is a redirect]] then the link in the list of categories a page is in appears italic
[22:02:48] 	 oh so that's what that's about
[22:02:59] 	 03(mod) EducationProgram unit tests are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47389  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:03:10] 	 However, if you actually go to the category page, your browser redirects you to the target category, but all pages in the redirect category stay in the original thing they were categorized as, which is kind of icky
[22:03:10] 	 Is there any additional registration for the hackaton needed or just the scholarship-google-doc?
[22:03:26] 	 03(mod) EducationProgram unit tests are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47389  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[22:04:01] 	 The proper category support I'm referring to is: if Category:A redirects to Category:B, then putting [[category:A]] on a page should make the page appear in Category:B, not Category:A
[22:04:12] 	 got it
[22:04:27] 	 thank you for explaining that to me :)
[22:04:30] 	 Which might allow people to make aliases for categories in other languages
[22:05:17] 	 If that's combined with removing restrictions with {{DISPLAYTITLE, someone could put a displaytitle in a {{LangSwitch on commons and make the category title be internationalized in a very hacky way
[22:05:32] 	 03(mod) Content of  not shown when other parser extensions are active - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34589  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[22:05:59] 	 yeah that doesn't seem like an ideally maintainable way to do it
[22:06:55] 	 03(mod) EXIF / Metadata not showing up on mobile uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46764  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[22:07:48] 	 moogsi: Indeed. I'm not sure what the best way to do it though is
[22:08:30] 	 03(mod) Add a button to request a new fancy captcha (code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14230  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[22:08:55] 	 If i recall, there's been some suggestion on commons of "maybe WikiData can somehow fix it", I'm not exactly sure how that would look though
[22:09:18] 	 03(NEW) Spam-flagged messages still not filtered to junk queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47390 normal; Wikimedia: OTRS; ()
[22:09:50] 	 moogsi: Any ideas what an ideal category translation extension would look like or operate from your prespective?
[22:10:33] 	 well i'm so non-technical that my perspective is almost the user's perspective :)
[22:11:00] 	 moogsi: That's ok - that's the prespective I need!
[22:11:15] 	 (for like some mythical future where I actually fix things ;)
[22:11:22] 	 :)
[22:11:56] 	 well the degree that a feature is needed is often not proportional to how interesting it is to fix..
[22:12:43] 	 true
[22:12:53] 	 but every idea is interesting to someone
[22:12:58] 	 03(mod) Filter page histories by user, or contributions by title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10788  +comment (10afeldman)
[22:13:11] * Aaron|home  hands https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/59433/ to bawolff
[22:13:14] 	 03(mod) Correctly answer to OPTIONS method (Squids appear to reject CORS OPTIONS query before it ever gets to the API) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41731  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[22:13:59] 	 i would say, make it as invisible as possible.. language displayed should be the user's interface language, falling back to English.. there is a thing that prompts users to translate untranslated parts of the interface
[22:14:33] 	 something like a little [translate this] tag which sets everything up and then they just type the translation in
[22:15:05] 	 (forgive the vagueness, i only found out this existed yesterday)
[22:16:28] 	 03(mod) Filter page histories by user, or contributions by title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10788  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:16:45] 	 What if someone says "category Cat is "ABZ" in french. and someone else says "Category Dog is 'ABZ' in german. Then someone categories an image as 'ABZ'. Which category should the image be put in
[22:17:12] 	 Or at least, that's a problem I'm not really sure how to solve in such a system, you don't neccesarily need to know the answer
[22:17:21] 	 Aaron|home: looking
[22:18:30] 	 03(mod) Echo + weird internal bots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47188  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:18:37] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:19:00] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[22:19:38] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10sam)
[22:20:34] 	 03(mod) Option to disable "your notifications" in personal tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46691  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:21:37] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10sam)
[22:22:57] 	 bawolff: are you imagining a separate category tree for each language? if so, the answer is the image should be put in Cat in the French tree and Dog in the German tree. Otherwise, ABZ needs to be set as the prototypical "Cat" category's French translation, and to the prototypical "Dog" category's German translation
[22:23:06] 	 sorry if i misunderstand the question
[22:24:29] 	 i messed up the first part, i mean it should be put in ABZ in the French tree and also in ABZ in the German tree
[22:24:46] 	 moogsi: I think we would want one tree
[22:24:57] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullText() on a non-object in ArticleTable.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47387  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[22:25:19] 	 moogsi: So if someone puts something in category:Dog, it shows up in the dog cat for any language
[22:25:45] 	 But we'd also want people to categorize things in their own language
[22:26:23] 	 So someone could add [[category:Dog]] in a page to put it in the dog category, or they could add [[category:Chien]], and both wikitext codes would accomplish the same thing
[22:26:25] 	 Ideally
[22:26:42] 	 03(mod) Ask API with XML format produces invalid XML (title tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44696  (10ben.mcgee.good)
[22:26:51] 	 But then we'd have the problem of what if there is a conflict. Some word that means something in one language, and something different in another
[22:33:00] 	 bawolff: what i'm imagining is that "chat" and "katze" will appear for "cat" depending on the user's interface language.. words in one language can't collide with those in another because each language is separate
[22:33:40] 	 are you still talking about using proper redirects?
[22:33:42] 	 wikidata will solve this!
[22:34:47] 	 brion: So far I get the impression wikidata will use magic unicorns to solve anything involving data and language alternatives ;)
[22:35:03] 	 but perhaps they will solve this
[22:35:07] 	 :)
[22:35:26] 	 in theory the same kind of system used for interlanguage links can be used to translatify categories. mostly. maybe.
[22:35:58] 	 That would be nice
[22:35:58] 	 it only leaves the problem of each separate language requiring different disambiguation, because different languages clearly have different homographs/homonyms
[22:36:07] 	 yes
[22:36:17] 	 on the plus side
[22:36:27] 	 that leaves room for folks to create a Perfect Taxonomy
[22:36:39] 	 instead of trying to abuse tags for it :)
[22:37:21] 	 To solve the conflict thing, could just have a priority - certain languages override certain others in case of conflict, and hope it never happens
[22:37:47] * bawolff  is not clear on what the difference between a category and a tag is, other then social differences in how they are used
[22:38:46] 	 bawolff: i'm still not clear on when conflicts would happen :(
[22:39:21] 	 moogsi: From the adding a new article to a category prespective, (not the browsing of categories perspective)
[22:40:02] 	 Categories get added by someone writing [[category:Foo]] on the page - that has to mean add article to same category regardless of the language
[22:40:51] 	 did that make sense?
[22:40:56] 	 yes
[22:41:50] 	 03(mod) Update MediaWiki.org favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47299  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:42:30] 	 wellll we could repurpose hotcat so it only allows people to enter categories in their interface language and add the cats for them, but then... there is the problem of no translation existing in their interface language :/
[22:43:36] 	 Plus, ideally people should be able to add categories by hand if they feel like it
[22:43:48] 	 pie-sky thing is we have 5 or 6 category languages that most people would understand, and they pick one of those as a fallback
[22:44:14] 	 english, spanish, chinese, japanese, french, russian
[22:44:21] 	 that is making it too complicated
[22:45:05] 	 there is the issue of the category tree on commons already being so deep that parts of it will never even be viewed in every interface language
[22:46:02] 	 ideally, absolutely ideally in an ideal world, categories are taken out of the wikitext altogether
[22:46:23] 	 moogsi: Yeah, don't cross your fingers for that one
[22:46:32] 	 There's been an open bug for that since like 2003
[22:46:41] 	 in some universe...
[22:46:51] 	 also, templates kind of rely on the ability to selectively add categories
[22:49:43] 	 mediawiki is a very bad choice for Commons in a lot of ways.. a bit late for me to say that as a newcomer :)
[22:50:06] 	 Yes, you're kind of 9 years late.
[22:50:11] 	 :F
[22:50:13] 	 it's the von-neumann architecture, really
[22:50:50] 	 ori-l: I like Harvard though :)
[22:51:03] 	 heh. let's rewrite!
[22:51:20] 	 :)
[22:52:11] 	 yes, C language is mostly useless then :)
[22:52:17] 	 bawolff: someone mentioned a more tag-like system to me than categories
[22:52:35] 	 like youtube/flickr/whatever
[22:53:29] 	 Aaron|home: The change looks good. As a minor nitpick $scope seems totally unused, but that's being nitpicky, do you want me to just +2 it?
[22:53:51] 	 $scope does stuff when it dies (release the connection handle)
[22:54:28] 	 so it is used in a way
[22:55:11] 	 from a usability perspective a tag-like thing would be ideal... i have a pretty clear idea of what it should be like but i can imagine a reaction of "so who's going to actually develop this, then?"
[22:55:15] 	 Aaron|home: but its not passed to doBatchPushInternal, so I don't see how it could possibly be used there
[22:55:35] 	 but it exists for the scope of the closure
[22:55:40] 	 and i'll be like... "magical gnomes? you ever hear that story about the cobbler.."
[22:55:45] 	 which calls that function
[22:56:19] 	 afterwards, its OK for $scope to fall out of scope
[22:56:50] 	 ok, so magical scoping tricks are happening
[22:56:58] 	 in essence
[22:57:35] 	 03(mod) Update MediaWiki.org favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47299  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[22:57:50] 	 Stupid CRA... I'm not allowed to claim donations to the EFF.
[22:59:51] 	 Dantman: CRA?
[22:59:57] 	 Aaron|home: ok, I read over JobqueueDB::getDB and it makes sense now
[23:00:27] 	 one of these days I'd like something a bit simpler, like RedisConnectionPool
[23:00:37] 	 people tend to forget to cause reuseConnection
[23:01:11] 	 greg-g: "Canada Revenue Agency" basically the equivalent of the IRS in charge of income tax, etc...
[23:04:21] 	 Dantman: ah, well, I suppose since it is a US non-profit, not a Canadian one, that makes sense, no?
[23:05:11] 	 03(NEW) Doubleclick to overwrrite is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47391 major; VisualEditor: User Interface; ()
[23:08:43] 	 03(mod) UW hangs on upload in some circumstances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47384   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:08:47] 	 It's still a charitable donation... so what if it crosses borders... if that matters so much the CRA and IRS should negotiate something...
[23:09:20] 	 03(mod) Pending Changes/FlaggedRevs on a page prevents Page Curation Toolbar from working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44073   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:09:54] 	 moogsi: BTW, I'm planning to do coding work for things involving commons in the near future, so if you do have ideas of things to make better, please don't hesitiate to let me know
[23:10:36] 	 ok i will try to keep them within the boundaries of this universe :)
[23:10:48] 	 03(mod) deploy to test2 broke UploadWizard in IE7 at least - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42736   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:10:59] 	 Hey wild ideas are ok too. Just no garuntees I'll actually do them
[23:12:11] 	 moogsi: So far I've started the day by removing options from special:listfiles, so probably not off to a good "add new features" start
[23:13:00] 	 03(mod) behavior changed: GettingStarted shows "Looking for more to do" upon null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45781   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:13:28] 	 03(mod) IE9 only: Yes/No buttons jump down page when mouse over - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42551   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:13:53] 	 Dantman: sure, just each country has their own definitions of what "charitable" means, so that negotiation isn't trivial. Anyways, off topic .... ;)
[23:15:32] 	 03(mod) UW on test2wiki never completes upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43791   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:15:33] 	 bawolff: hey you said "make things better", not "add stuff" :)
[23:16:23] 	 And I really hope nobody is sorting special:listfiles by img_description :P
[23:17:36] 	 03(mod) "Looking for more to do" guider no longer appears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46168   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:20:33] 	 03(mod) texvc missing from 1.21wmf9 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44653   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:21:27] 	 03(mod) GT no longer loads in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47064   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:22:18] 	 03(mod) beta cluster: wrong MessagesEn.php file? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47339   +browser-test-bug (10Chris McMahon)
[23:23:17] 	 03(mod) deploy to test2 broke UploadWizard in IE7 at least - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42736  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:24:08] 	 03(mod) Make text easier to read in the Echo flyout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43435  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:25:21] 	 03(mod) Notification preferences update (tooltips for notification categories) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47094  summary (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:30:23] 	 03(mod) 'Mark all as read' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47092  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:30:42] 	 03(mod) 'Mark all as read' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47092  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:31:38] 	 03(mod) Can't log in into Gerrit — "Cannot assign user name" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47385  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:32:03] 	 03(mod) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:32:14] 	 03(mod) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:32:48] 	 Bollocks, broken software
[23:33:05] 	 Reedy: Thanks
[23:34:20] 	 03(mod) Email address for sending notifications from Email address for sending notifications from En-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46670  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:35:21] 	 03(mod) Socialization links in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46678  summary (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:35:48] 	 03(mod) Notification email settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47146  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:36:19] 	 03(mod) Notification preferences - Web display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47148  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:36:52] 	 03(mod) Notification highlights on the archive page and flyout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47149  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:37:06] 	 03(mod) mw.loader.using throws exception when a module doesn't exist [mobile] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47296  +comment (10jgonera)
[23:38:29] 	 03(mod) Raise $wgMaxImageArea and $wgMaxAnimatedGifArea to highest allowable limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47363  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:38:41] 	 03(mod) Raise $wgMaxImageArea and $wgMaxAnimatedGifArea to highest allowable limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47363   +shell (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:39:13] 	 03(mod) New bz component for Extension:Nonlinear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47386  minor->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:39:39] 	 03(mod) Double notification for edit reverts on talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47155  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:39:40] 	 03(mod) Rollback should not trigger a talk page post notification if the edit being rolled back was performed by the owner of the talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47143  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:40:28] 	 03(mod) Edit revert should not trigger a talk page post notification if the edit being reverted was performed by the owner of the talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47143  summary (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:40:51] 	 03(mod) Edit revert should not trigger a talk page post notification if the edit being reverted was performed by the owner of the talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47143  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:41:01] 	 03(mod) Edit revert should not trigger a talk page post notification if the edit being reverted was performed by the owner of the talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47143  normal->minor (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:41:47] 	 03(mod) Anonymous file uploads creates "Fatal exception of type UploadStashNotLoggedInException." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47308  normal->minor (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:42:17] 	 03(mod) Wiktionary needs usable API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36881  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:42:17] 	 03(mod) Non Core API issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23855  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:45:14] 	 03(mod) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[23:45:38] 	 > (One intermediate revision by one user not shown)
[23:45:58] 	 03(mod) Give a reason for user rights notification change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47062  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:46:12] 	 we should detect when all intermediate revisions are the same author as the most recent shown and somehow indicate that
[23:46:21] 	 03(mod) Delete page layout problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17951  minor->15enhancement;  +design; +comment (10Quim Gil)
[23:46:27] 	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gbrigham&diff=0&oldid=91527
[23:46:49] 	 better permalink: https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gbrigham&diff=91566&oldid=91527
[23:47:03] * jeremyb_  runs away
[23:47:46] 	 03(NEW) Move signup call to action in ACUX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47392 normal; MediaWiki extensions: E3 Experiments; ()
[23:48:30] 	 jeremyb_: You should file a bug for that
[23:48:39] 	 03(mod) Global password cohesion broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18356  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[23:48:44] 	 It may be possible
[23:49:55] 	 03(mod) Move signup call to action in ACUX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47392  normal->15enhancement (10Steven Walling)
[23:50:06] 	 03(mod) Move signup call to action in new login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47392  summary (10Steven Walling)
[23:56:11] 	 03(mod) Problem Creating Org Charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47366  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[23:56:26] 	 Reedy: Fixed, after some panicked pings to our Labs deity
[23:58:15] 	 03(mod) Use user preference date for function getNotifications() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47211  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:59:05] 	 bawolff: definitely possible!
[23:59:13] 	 just kinda busy atm
[23:59:20] 	 maybe i will tonight or tomorrow
[23:59:29] 	 03(mod) Move signup call to action in new login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47392  +comment (10swalling)
[23:59:29] 	 (disconnecting IRC again...)