[00:03:02] wikibugs: wb [00:25:46] 03(mod) Use (hidden) preference for copyright acknowledgment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47496 +comment (10mflaschen) [00:44:12] 03(mod) OGV thumbnails can have artifacts (squares) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47465 +comment (10M8R-udfkkf) [01:19:32] 03(mod) Socialization links in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46678 +comment (10fflorin) [01:24:15] 03(NEW) Install database on extension1 db for en wiki release of Notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47525 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [01:25:25] 03(mod) Install database on extension1 db for en wiki release of Notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47525 normal->major (10Fabrice Florin) [01:31:17] 03(NEW) Install postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47526 normal; Wikimedia Labs: General; () [01:34:37] 03(mod) Install postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47526 +comment (10marc) [01:41:59] 03(mod) Socialization links in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46678 +comment (10b) [01:47:04] 03(mod) Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=${ip} takes 30-90 seconds to load, sometimes is 504 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47045 +comment (10b) [02:02:46] 03(mod) Asirra module displays wrong text, does not solve for edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39536 +comment (10gerritadmin) [02:03:59] 03(mod) white screen after no db selection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47489 +comment (10PleaseStand) [02:08:53] 03(mod) Asirra module displays wrong text, does not solve for edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39536 (10spage) [02:14:29] 03(mod) Remove the obsolete "/client/jquery.hotkeys.js" file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47509 +comment (10gerritadmin) [02:15:09] 03(NEW) Status update in Gerrit of current queued commit/testing request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47527 normal; Wikimedia: Continuous integration; () [02:19:50] hi guys [02:20:12] could you please have a look at my question posted on stackoverflow? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16158251/how-do-i-modify-page-tabs-in-mediawiki [02:20:22] really need some advice.... [02:20:24] thanks [02:21:26] 03(mod) UserLoadFromSession considered evil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41201 +platformeng (10Tim Starling) [02:24:59] !e Vector | jiaoziren [02:25:00] jiaoziren: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Vector [02:25:03] That might be helpful [02:26:13] thanks [02:26:35] I did change the CollapsibleTabs but it didn't make any difference [02:39:09] 03(mod) l10n cache doesn't actually cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47289 +comment (10tstarling) [02:41:47] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/189 +comment (10Erik Moeller) [02:43:13] 03(mod) Gerrit mangles Wikipedia permalinks with anchor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45780 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [02:43:27] 03(mod) Further reduce noise in log files for non-existent host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47293 +comment (10gerritadmin) [03:02:06] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/189 +comment (10tstarling) [03:09:17] 03(mod) Ogg header packets spanning multiple pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28100 +comment (10tstarling) [03:29:56] * Krinkle changed dpaste.org to dpaste.de which is exactly the same server (it was an alias) except that this one has a valid SSL certificate at https://dpaste.de/ [03:32:41] 03(mod) Pending Changes/FlaggedRevs on a page prevents Page Curation Toolbar from working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44073 -browser-test-bug ; +comment (10Nischay Nahata) [03:34:48] Krinkle: i don't think anyone acutally uses it... so we could just ditch it [03:35:30] I think it's still one of the better ones out there: it has https, it doesn't have annoying ads, broad syntax highlighting and privacy/expiry features [03:36:23] Certainly better than pastebin.com. [03:36:30] I usually use Domas'. [03:39:06] persoanlly i normally just use pastie.org, very minialistic design, not https (but if your transmitting data that needs to secure, I would reconsider using a public pastebin service), little ads [03:39:40] Susan: link? [03:39:49] http://p.defau.lt/new.html [03:39:54] Tim also has one. [03:40:08] http://paste.tstarling.com/ [03:43:40] 03(NEW) Create a VisualEditor plugin tool to add/edit Scores - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47528 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [03:43:42] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Plugin editors to be created (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46803 (10James Forrester) [03:48:27] We finally fixed bug 189? [03:48:42] Indeed. [03:49:30] We still have bug 1 :) [03:50:09] 03(mod) white screen after no db selection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47489 +comment (10gerritadmin) [04:33:21] 03(mod) Have filter option to view wikidata changes only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45853 +comment (10Mahitgar) [04:36:31] 03(mod) Have filter option to view wikidata changes only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45853 +comment (10Legoktm) [04:39:48] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Content in an LTR wiki is displayed RTL in CE block if the interface language is RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33175 +comment (10liangent) [04:40:47] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Content in an LTR wiki is displayed RTL in CE block if the interface language is RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33175 +comment (10liangent) [04:56:45] 03(mod) Add support for round-trip testing of non-English wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44651 +comment (10C. Scott Ananian) [05:10:32] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Content in an LTR wiki is displayed RTL in CE block if the interface language is RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33175 +comment (10liangent) [05:12:25] http://wmbug.com/33175 [05:33:14] 03(mod) Support exporting content in DocBook format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4073 +comment (10Quim Gil) [05:36:44] 03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9890 +comment (10Tyler Romeo) [05:45:51] Hi, apparently there's a way to protect titles from creation [05:46:48] Old Wikia wikis like my own came with a "Protected titles" page: create redlinks on that page then cascade-protect it. Apparently there's another way? [05:49:49] 03(NEW) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [05:50:00] 03(mod) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 (10Tyler Romeo) [05:50:00] 03(mod) MediaWiki should use ETags instead of Last-Modified and the Logged out cookie hack - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31639 (10Tyler Romeo) [05:55:43] do we have some guideline for usage of bugzilla's Whiteboard field? [05:59:21] liangent: "don [05:59:28] * "don't be stupid" [05:59:32] is the basic one atm [05:59:40] what do you want to use it for? [06:02:41] p858snake|l: I'm not really trying to use it now. just observed it's rarely used and there's no clear indication about what is expected there [06:34:05] 03(mod) Support exporting content in DocBook format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4073 +comment (10Nemo) [06:34:09] 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925 (10Nemo) [06:37:12] 03(mod) Local dates comparsion seems to be broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47443 +comment (10Dmitriy Sintsov) [06:38:57] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3311 +comment (10Tyler Romeo) [07:10:13] Hi there, I'm using MediaWik 1.22alpha and the latest snapshot of VisualEditor. Ive installed the parsoid-Server and have it linked in the LocalSettings.php as I have put in the default configuration for VisualEditor. The Editor shows up under SpecialPages:Version When I go to .../index.php/VisualEditor:Sandbox the Editor just won't show up. [07:12:15] I have installed the following extensions: Nuke, Renameuse, Parserfunctions, ConfirmEdit,Gadget, Vector,WikiEditor and VisualEditor [07:12:15] 03(NEW) Open username policy in tooltip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47530 enhancement; MediaWiki: User login; () [07:13:31] 03(mod) Open username policy in tooltip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47530 (10Steven Walling) [07:13:36] marcel_: if no one here is able to answer your question, you should try #mediawiki-visualeditor. because VisualEditor has not yet been officially released, a lot of the knowledge about how to configure it is garrisoned in the team developing it [07:14:02] Thanks Ill do that [07:15:56] 03(NEW) Option to view/track filters & their logs, topic or grouping /clubbing wise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47531 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; () [07:16:40] 03(mod) Update "Wanted pages" for et.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47470 +comment (10Nemo) [07:16:47] 03(mod) Periodical run of currently disabled special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15434 +comment (10Nemo) [07:21:14] 03(mod) Option to view public filter and its logs only for abuse filter management - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47494 +comment (10mahitgar) [07:23:53] 03(NEW) Agora CSS gives labels conflicting styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47532 normal; MediaWiki: Skin and page rendering; () [07:24:28] 03(mod) Agora CSS gives labels conflicting styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47532 (10spage) [07:25:45] 03(NEW) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [07:26:22] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/189 +comment (10erik) [07:27:19] 03(mod) Agora CSS gives labels conflicting styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47532 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:37:21] 03(mod) Make the "year" field default to the current year on [[Special:Contribs]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45580 +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [07:38:17] 03(mod) Don't UPGRADE SMW 1.8.0.4 data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47165 +comment (10jesus.perez) [07:45:44] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 (10billinghurst) [07:45:44] 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925 (10billinghurst) [07:55:18] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 +comment (10billinghurst) [08:07:09] 03(mod) uasort() Array was modified by the user comparison function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47524 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [08:09:58] 03(mod) rebuildLocalisationCache blows up the database with messages for 363 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47501 +comment (10karin.haenelt) [08:15:15] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 +comment (10erik) [08:21:13] 03(mod) Install postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47526 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [08:22:52] 03(mod) Gerrit mangles Wikipedia permalinks with anchor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45780 (10Andre Klapper) [08:24:17] 03(mod) Pending Changes/FlaggedRevs on a page prevents Page Curation Toolbar from working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44073 +browser-test-bug; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [08:25:09] 03(mod) Incorrect spelling in Odia in ULS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45605 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [08:25:46] 03(mod) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 (10Andre Klapper) [08:25:48] 03(mod) rebuildLocalisationCache blows up the database with messages for 363 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47501 +comment (10karin.haenelt) [08:25:56] 03(mod) Have filter option to view wikidata changes only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45853 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [08:27:57] 03(mod) Option to group filters & their logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47531 normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [08:28:04] 03(mod) Create a VisualEditor plugin tool to add/edit Scores - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47528 (10Andre Klapper) [08:54:41] 03(mod) Improve performance of dispatchChanges::getPendingChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47125 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:56:26] 03(mod) creation of new claims (and perhaps other edits) can be (auto)patrolled on wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47415 +comment (10T. H. Kelly) [08:57:11] 03(NEW) Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 major; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [08:57:55] 03(mod) Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [09:07:42] 03(mod) Add 'Retina' hi-dpi display support to Extension:Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47523 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [09:08:19] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 +performance (10Andre Klapper) [09:12:44] 03(mod) Enable the adding of rel="license" ; property="cc:attributionName" on File pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27334 (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [09:12:45] 03(mod) to support for microdata and rdfa, allow tags so external links can have ref/rel attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33886 (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [09:22:26] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:24:33] 03(mod) morebots goes into an infinite loop of doing nothing after a connection reset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47275 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [09:34:51] 03(mod) l10n cache doesn't actually cache (due to specific extension localization pair not in hash, marking the cache as invalid) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47289 summary (10Andre Klapper) [09:35:36] 03(mod) Catchable fatal error: Argument 4 passed to EducationProgram\ArticleTable::__construct() must be an array, integer given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47517 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:54:47] 03(mod) Thumbnails that are "inline" should break paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47518 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:56:18] 03(mod) Thumbnails that are "inline" should break paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47518 (10ssastry) [09:57:29] 03(mod) reload is necessary to add second qualifier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46722 normal->major; +comment (10Lydia Pintscher) [09:57:29] 03(mod) Parsoid: Numbered Cite blocks are not generated starting from 1 but from a (random?) other number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47513 (10ssastry) [09:57:40] 03(mod) OGV thumbnails can have artifacts (squares) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47465 +comment (10jgerber) [09:57:58] 03(NEW) SF_UploadWindow2.php ERROR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47535 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [10:00:06] 03(NEW) \cadenzaOn Lilypond command does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47536 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [10:08:27] 03(NEW) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [10:15:53] hey! i a, new here could someone help me , i am not getting anything [10:20:05] for help on IRC it's helpful to stay more than 3 minutes after asking... [10:25:40] 03(mod) Make new user login/account creation the only version after testing and MW namespace cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46333 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:26:12] 03(NEW) qtop command not on all OGE submit hosts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47538 trivial; Wikimedia Labs: tools; () [10:26:20] 03(mod) convertPlural makes using 0= and 1= rules impossible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46422 normal->major (10Andre Klapper) [10:27:20] 03(mod) tablesorter should support genitive month names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46496 (10Andre Klapper) [10:27:29] 03(mod) Urls with curid query indexed by Google - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46424 (10Andre Klapper) [10:28:07] 03(mod) cleanUp UTF normalization tests should use data providers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46561 +performance (10Andre Klapper) [10:28:13] 03(mod) cleanUp UTF normalization tests should use data providers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46561 (10Andre Klapper) [10:28:59] 03(mod) worker-javascript.js is 404 when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46588 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:29:39] 03(mod) Avoid breakage of conversion rules from [numeric-only string] to [something else] by replacing array_merge() calls by operator+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46634 summary (10Andre Klapper) [10:29:59] 03(mod) Add SASS and Compass support to ResourceLoader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46545 (10Andre Klapper) [10:30:40] 03(mod) Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46640 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Andre Klapper) [10:31:01] 03(mod) Edit preview renders in wrong directionality - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46463 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [10:31:04] 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/745 (10Andre Klapper) [10:32:17] 03(mod) File size shrinks during rotation (action: 'imagerotate') // Rotation not lossless? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46549 (10Andre Klapper) [10:32:46] 03(mod) Add custom field to Bugzilla for RT (rt.wikimedia.org) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45589 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:33:37] hey [10:34:01] i am new here help me [10:34:25] Vishal_: what is your problem? [10:35:08] Please tell me how to use irc [10:35:21] type your text, press enter, done [10:35:26] 03(mod) Better diff for revision deletions: Show indicator of what visibility restrictions were set or unset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47402 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Andre Klapper) [10:35:28] you did this ;) [10:35:39] 03(mod) Internet Explorer prints only one page when 8 pages are expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47370 +comment (10aklapper) [10:35:44] 03(mod) Internet Explorer prints only one page when 8 pages are expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47370 (10Andre Klapper) [10:35:48] what it's utility [10:36:03] 03(mod) Transaction idle or pre-commit callbacks still pending - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47375 (10Andre Klapper) [10:37:05] Ok ! tell me how to use this in context of Google Summer Code 2013 [10:37:43] 03(mod) LoginForm returns "wrongpassword" instead of something sensible when the username/password is correct, but no domain is provided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47278 (10Andre Klapper) [10:37:44] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Andre Klapper) [10:38:35] 03(mod) Backslash in database password field when installing MediaWiki causes issues by getting escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47206 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:39:12] 03(mod) The same name detection prevents uploading same file in different format. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46741 (10Andre Klapper) [10:43:58] !list [10:43:58] mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See http://lists.wikimedia.org/ for details. [10:45:21] Vishal_: !list [10:50:18] I NEED HELP REGARDING WIKITECH-1. PLEASE HELP.... [10:50:53] I WISH TO PROPOSE A PROJECT FOR GOOGLE SUMMER CODE 2013 [10:51:04] Vishal_: I'd recommend turning off caps lock. [10:51:05] please dont shout [10:51:10] 03(mod) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 +comment (10fomafix) [10:51:28] 03(NEW) SemanticForms ERRORS to create a category, a form, a template and start of form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47539 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [10:51:57] i am not shouting. i am just fed up. [10:51:58] Is there an extension similar to CentralNotice, but... simpler? [10:52:19] please someone help me [10:53:15] you have to be patient in the irc... [10:53:36] if you dont get an answer now, try it again in one hour or so [10:54:21] ok [10:54:41] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10bidgee-wiki) [10:55:32] SAL9000, you mean like the builtin sitenotice? [11:00:06] 03(NEW) Freeze some components for archived extensions in MediaWiki extension product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47540 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [11:01:41] Platonides: Like a cross-site secondary sitenotice. [11:01:52] 03(NEW) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [11:02:07] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 +comment (10liangent) [11:02:34] I created my wikipedia userpage few hours ago. Now i it's not there. I have tried purging it and deletion log too. Please tell me what to do? [11:03:24] 03(mod) Special:Undelete fails when too many checkboxes are checked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43911 +comment (10Graham87) [11:03:27] what's your username? [11:05:17] Making-it-yours [11:06:34] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:07:01] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:07:06] 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:07:33] Oh, that is vZ [11:07:35] *BZ [11:07:55] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [11:09:15] Reedy: hmm the Special:Version description needs updating too [11:10:23] Both are easily enough done [11:12:01] Vishal_, please ask in public [11:12:43] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Making-it-yours [11:13:00] Reedy: what's the fastest way to update description in messages? [11:13:07] the initial git clone takes some time [11:13:17] Score is small [11:13:32] Not sure en updates work via translatewiki [11:15:15] liangent: I can do it for you.. [11:15:17] they have to be rebuilt every so often iirc [11:15:44] which seems strange since we auto update every other language on the cluster [11:17:23] liangent: Bugzilla description updated [11:17:41] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 +comment (10sam) [11:18:02] Reedy: nothing appears here then? [11:18:11] Nope [11:18:14] ok see it [11:26:37] 03(mod) [TUX] Proofread tooltip stuck in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46875 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [11:26:42] p858snake|l: Grabbing all the wikimania 2005 vids to fenari [11:27:39] and? I only pointed that option out to erik because it was easier than people on commons, didn't really care either way [11:28:17] lol [11:28:50] Should I not bother then? :p [11:29:19] 03(NEW) Catchable fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47542 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [11:29:24] you are the controller of your own time and energy [11:29:30] or something like that anyway >.> [11:29:34] wget -I listofurls [11:29:40] err lowercase [11:29:44] it's not hard ;) [11:31:00] seems one gets stuck.. [11:31:34] * Reedy stops for now [11:41:08] 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object in Language.php on line 1325 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47358 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [11:43:55] 03(mod) Galician localization for the Scribunto extension in Galician - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47262 +comment (10gerritadmin) [11:49:32] 03(NEW) Make Russian as the fallback language for bxr.wikipedia.org instead of English language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47543 major; Wikimedia: Language setup; () [11:51:15] 03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/700 (10Danny B.) [11:51:16] 03(NEW) list item must not wrap the text in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47544 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; () [11:51:30] 03(mod) Support exporting content in DocBook format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4073 +comment (10molly.white5) [11:51:34] 03(mod) Disable "You have new messages" for anonymous users after 30 days (as IPs often are dynamic) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47313 summary (10Andre Klapper) [11:51:36] 03(mod) list item must not wrap the text in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47544 (10Danny B.) [11:53:07] 03(mod) Make Russian as the fallback language for bxr.wikipedia.org instead of English language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47543 +comment (10sam) [11:59:55] 03(NEW) delete git repos operations/debs/python-{statsd,voluptuous} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47545 normal; Wikimedia: git-deploy; () [12:08:15] Reedy: panic! PhpStorm says license is about to expire in 56 days!! [12:08:34] Can't renew it till < 30 [12:08:48] JeroenDeDauw: you're panicing too early [12:09:11] panic when s/days/minutes/ [12:10:13] 03(mod) Make Russian as the fallback language for bxr.wikipedia.org instead of English language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47543 +comment (10grazeroleg) [12:12:44] 03(mod) Undefined offset notice in ImageGallery.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47464 (1002388338eeab) [12:14:08] Use of OutputPage::__construct was deprecated in MediaWiki 1.18 [12:14:10] lolwat [12:14:27] So you can no longer construct this thing? [12:15:01] Get it via context [12:15:05] i think [12:15:28] 03(mod) delete git repos operations/debs/python-{statsd,voluptuous} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47545 (10p858snake) [12:20:07] hi, what do I need to put on a wikipage to make an HTML comment (!) appear in the generated HTML? [12:20:12] it's for later programmatic processing [12:20:23] without enabling rawhtml and all that ;) [12:21:44] Hi! [12:21:57] 03(NEW) Adding a hyperlink to an exsisting page deletes the line. The link doesn't get inserted (undefined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47546 major; VisualEditor: User Interface; () [12:22:01] 03(mod) Translate eats HTML inside Message contents for AndroidFFS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47310 normal->major; +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [12:22:28] mira|AO, you would need an extension to do just that [12:22:35] ouch [12:22:49] 03(mod) Adding a hyperlink to an exsisting page deletes the line. The link doesn't get inserted (undefined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47546 +comment (10mh87) [12:22:53] I noticed that Wikipedia is parring down the number of skins it has to 4. Is this a change made to prepare for a UI refresh? [12:22:53] do you have any other suggestion to put some "invisible marker" into a wiki page? [12:22:53] you can use an attribute [12:23:19] 03(mod) Adding a hyperlink to an exsisting page deletes the line. The link doesn't get inserted (undefined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47546 (10mham) [12:23:31] (I was basically asked to cut off part of a "live wiki page" into another website on a separate system) [12:23:55] I noticed that Wikipedia is parring down the number of skins it has to 4. Is this a change made to prepare for a UI refresh? [12:24:08] Supports, rather. [12:24:10] Austinuity: no, they are just old unmaintained skins that were removed [12:24:19] also, you only need to ask the question once [12:24:28] Well, it broke my custom theme. [12:25:15] mira|AO, so why do you need a comment? [12:25:56] platonides: I'd like to have two invisible markers, so I can simply cut anything off before and after them, and include the rest into the existing html output by that other system [12:26:02] ideally, with a regexp [12:26:21] I thought of using {{#tag:span||id=something}} but that error'd out [12:26:37] Austinuity: how did it break it? [12:26:59] mira|AO, why not have a page with just the content you want in the other system? [12:27:10] Austinuity: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech has been a good spot for people looking for support going fowards in regards to this also Dantman [12:27:15] (PS: ) [12:27:16] because it's still got and all that [12:27:22] I was using custom CSS and Jaascript skin that was removed. [12:27:26] oh, that works? *tries* [12:27:31] use ?action=render in the url [12:28:07] Reedy: sure, but how does the context get one then? [12:28:15] At some point you need to construct an instance no? :p [12:28:44] ah ok works (/> doesn't) [12:30:16] ?action=render is nice too ;) except it has the TOC [12:30:26] thanks, so I got two options ;) [12:32:23] hm. I hadn't thought of and all that… do you happen to know if there are any relative links in MW output? (="/foo" is fine, the systems share the vhost; document-relative is fine) [12:32:38] 03(mod) Undefined offset notice in ImageGallery.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47464 (1002388338eeab) [12:34:49] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [12:40:20] ok I'll use action=render as it makes absolute links. thanks again, Platonides! [12:41:04] 03(mod) add link to an extensions portal onto last installation screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43504 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:44:24] Any mentor here for Google Summer Code 2013 [12:46:09] <^demon> JeroenDeDauw, Reedy: If you look at the constructor, you see that the function isn't deprecated, but constructing it w/o a context is what is. [12:46:22] <^demon> So, send it a context and you'll see the error go poof :) [12:46:55] please reply if someone is mentoring... [12:47:16] ^demon: disableOriginalConstructor also made it go poof :p [12:47:53] I didn't even look up hte code [12:48:01] Not being able to construct a OutputPage without having a RequestContext seems wrong though [12:48:05] !ask | Vishal_ [12:48:05] Vishal_: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. [12:48:15] Unless the goal is to make testing hard [12:48:23] And make lots of tight couplings [12:48:38] <^demon> Doesn't have to be a RequestContext. [12:49:06] <^demon> IContextSource would suffice. [12:49:11] same thing [12:49:49] well, slightly less bad.. [12:50:23] <^demon> Yeah....trimming that down further (and removing the request-specific stuff to it) would be nice and actually make it useful for something like maintenance scripts. [12:50:27] <^demon> or phpunit. [13:01:40] [#mediawiki] Reedy_: I am wishing to submit a proposal and i hope to discuss it with you. [13:02:16] [#mediawiki] wm_bot: I am wishing to submit a proposal and i hoe to discuss it with you [13:03:32] 03(mod) Transaction idle or pre-commit callbacks still pending - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47375 +comment (10Nemo) [13:03:32] 03(mod) Bugs affecting translatewiki.net (errors from MediaWiki master) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39480 (10Nemo) [13:04:06] 03(mod) Galician localization for the Scribunto extension in Galician - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47262 (10Dereckson) [13:06:00] 03(NEW) access.log always shows 127.0.0.1 as host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47547 minor; Wikimedia Labs: tools; () [13:12:23] 03(mod) SF_UploadWindow2.php ERROR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47535 +comment (10yaron57) [13:12:59] 03(NEW) Run accept_language.feature on Chrome and IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47548 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [13:13:08] 03(mod) Run accept_language.feature on Chrome and IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47548 (10Željko Filipin) [13:17:30] 03(mod) Built-in pager class is handling non-unique column badly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47314 normal->minor; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:18:23] 03(mod) Update bundled jQuery ui from 1.8 to newer version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47076 summary (10Andre Klapper) [13:18:56] 03(mod) MediaWiki messages use user id instead of username for numerical usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46768 (10Andre Klapper) [13:20:35] 03(mod) Inconsistent treatment of underscores/spaces in URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47021 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:20:54] 03(mod) Inconsistent treatment of underscores/spaces in URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47021 (10Andre Klapper) [13:22:48] 03(mod) OutputPage: Module state of "user" (and similar modules) should be set to "ready" instead of "missing" when there is none - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46854 (10Andre Klapper) [13:23:26] 03(mod) Add support for pre-processing in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46546 (10Andre Klapper) [13:23:58] 03(mod) Support Message instances as Message instance params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46851 (10Andre Klapper) [13:24:30] 03(mod) ResourceLoader should support using @media in files that media set in the module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46933 (10Andre Klapper) [13:25:57] 03(mod) ResourceLoader Modules should have a built-in list with details on all available modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46563 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [13:26:01] 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1 (10Andre Klapper) [13:28:17] 03(NEW) Mark feature files that are running at en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47549 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [13:28:21] 03(mod) Mark feature files that are running at en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47549 (10Željko Filipin) [13:29:50] ^demon: once I really liked the RequestContext stuff, now I think it's a step sideways from the old globals [13:29:54] 03(mod) refactor cucumber.yml and Rakefile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46889 (10Željko Filipin) [13:32:44] 03(NEW) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [13:35:03] 03(NEW) Run en.wikipedia.org Jenkins jobs after the site is updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47551 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [13:35:31] 03(mod) Run en.wikipedia.org Jenkins jobs after the site is updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47551 (10Željko Filipin) [13:36:10] 03(mod) jquery.hotkeys.js breaks search suggestions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31002 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [13:36:22] 03(mod) Built-in pager class is handling non-unique column badly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47314 +comment (10liangent) [13:36:45] 03(mod) Run en.wikipedia.org Jenkins jobs after the site is updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47551 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:37:20] 03(mod) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 (10Željko Filipin) [13:41:58] 03(NEW) Bug on Modern Skin rendering of interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47552 minor; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; () [13:42:35] <^demon> It's globals, but hidden so we can pretend they're not globals ;-) [13:43:00] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 +comment (10billinghurst) [13:46:48] JeroenDeDauw: Various parts of outputpage require access to the webrequest, user, lang, etc... ie: OutputPage requires a context to function. Creating a OutputPage without a context is specifically deprecated because you'd have to use globals if you didn't have a context. [13:47:24] Dantman: in that case OutputPage should not be used by most code [13:47:32] Since most code should not care about web request or whatever [13:47:47] If all your code knows you are in a web app, you are doing it wrong [13:49:57] 03(mod) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 +comment (10gerritadmin) [13:50:52] 03(mod) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:51:03] 03(mod) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 (10Željko Filipin) [13:53:14] JeroenDeDauw: OutputPage constructs output and headers for output of a request/page... of course it requires knowledge about the web request. What part of the code do you think shouldn't know about the request that is using OutputPage? [13:59:44] 03(mod) Quick "Show other bug reports in this component" query link in bug report - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46413 (10Andre Klapper) [13:59:48] 03(mod) Consider installing Bugzilla's InlineHistory extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47256 (10Andre Klapper) [14:01:35] 03(mod) Bump cache purge value from 30 to 32 days, for webfonts and other large resources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46327 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Andre Klapper) [14:02:35] 03(mod) Categorize {{#babel}} on thwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47418 normal->15enhancement; +shell (10Andre Klapper) [14:02:57] 03(mod) Add /zh-mo as an alias for wikipedia.org/w/index.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47305 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [14:03:03] 03(mod) Add /zh-mo as an alias for wikipedia.org/w/index.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47305 (10Andre Klapper) [14:03:46] 03(mod) Restrict rebuildLocalisationCache to a selection of languages to keep database size low - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47501 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Andre Klapper) [14:06:19] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:06:48] 03(mod) Update the description of Extension:Score to include ABC notation. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47541 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:07:05] JeroenDeDauw: And just in case you're confused about it. A RequestContext doesn't have to be created by an actual http request to a script. They can be created from other places. And it's valid for a single script run to have multiple contexts. So it actually is easily usable from maintenance scripts and phpunit. That's actually part of the point of it. The only thing that complicates that is the fact we haven't been able to completely eliminate the [14:07:59] It contains a WebRequest and a Skin [14:08:14] And other big objects [14:08:26] 03(mod) list item must not wrap the text in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47544 normal->minor (10Andre Klapper) [14:08:38] Including some of the most high risk ones in the entire codebase [14:09:11] RequestContext is bad... [14:09:15] violating many principles [14:09:22] even has a pile of static code in there for good measure [14:10:46] 03(mod) Make site rename requests possible on-wiki without low-level ops intervention - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26994 +comment (10MZMcBride) [14:11:50] JeroenDeDauw: ...it has a small amount of static code for DRY normalizations of stuff, unfortunate compatibility with the fact that we have far to many places that we can't eliminate the dependence on globals yet, and creating new context instances. [14:12:43] 03(mod) Write a logo checker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27034 +comment (10b) [14:14:00] Dantman: I am not saying that the introduction of this class was bad. It might have improved upon a worse situation. What I am saying is that the class is still bad, and more then a little. And it is also used in a lot of places, making the using code have many of the same issues [14:15:24] 03(mod) Modern/Monobook skin show an empty
  • bullet as last item under "In other languages" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47552 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:15:42] 03(mod) Undefined offset notice in ImageGallery.php if &fileuntil=xxx.yyy is appended - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47464 summary (10Andre Klapper) [14:16:09] 03(mod) preg_match(): Unknown modifier 'n' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45287 +comment (10sam) [14:16:56] 03(NEW) Wikibase Repo Invalid argument supplied for foreach() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47553 minor; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [14:17:36] 03(mod) Wikidate Repo preg_match() Unknown modifiers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45287 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:18:00] And I'm resenting the idea that it's at a level close to globals... Because the issue with globals was having one single global state for the request. Something that the whole point of RequestContext is to eliminate. [14:18:29] JeroenDeDauw: Try coming up with some actual specific issues so we can open bugs about them. [14:19:23] Dantman: long list is way to long, I'm not going to review the entire codebase [14:19:32] Just pointing out a high level issue [14:19:40] Which causes many problems all over [14:19:56] And there is nothing special with RequestContext in that regard [14:20:01] MW has many such problematic classes [14:20:32] Well that's basically 100% unhelpful. Cause it does nothing to help fix the issues. [14:21:46] hello could someone tell me if mediawiki 1.21 will have a bugfix where it can purge content from varnish cache? [14:22:23] At least pick a few of them issues caused so things can at least get started with a few bug reports. [14:22:54] ki_: What do you mean specifically? MediaWiki can already purge from varnish caches? [14:22:58] -? [14:23:05] it doesn't that i know of [14:23:12] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39005 [14:23:23] 03(mod) Documentation for Gerrit on labs is almost as ugly as Gerrit itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35403 +comment (10Quim Gil) [14:23:24] i have to manually purge a page through the command line [14:24:00] using curl -X PURGE http://example.com/wiki/example [14:24:01] Oh you're talking about the use of host. [14:24:07] yes [14:24:26] 03(mod) Wikidate Repo preg_match() Unknown modifiers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45287 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:24:35] 03(NEW) move mediawiki/rcsub.git under mediawiki/tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47554 enhancement; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [14:24:37] when i make edits on my wiki ... it doesn't show up for non-logged in users because of this bug [14:24:56] hence me firing up shell and manually doing it [14:25:00] 03(mod) move mediawiki/rcsub.git under mediawiki/tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47554 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:25:12] i heard mediawiki 1.21 might be able to do it / have a bugfix [14:25:15] but not sure [14:25:23] 03(mod) Api documentation on mw.org is out of date, incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29936 +comment (10Quim Gil) [14:25:27] would like to know if it will or not [14:26:00] ki_: Technically that's a sub issue. Other people have managed to get varnish purging working even without that change. But yes, the new config setting is going to be part of 1.21. [14:26:33] ok so mediawiki 1.21 out of the box should fix this issue i have ? [14:26:37] ki_: Though it's going to be named $wgSquidPurgeUseHostHeader [14:27:01] ki_: Yes, it looks like we changed the default as well. [14:27:57] ok awesome [14:28:08] 03(mod) Upgrade jQuery from 1.8.x to 1.9.x - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44740 (10Andre Klapper) [14:28:09] 03(mod) Update bundled jQuery ui from 1.8 to newer version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47076 (10Andre Klapper) [14:28:26] an extension me and someone is working will be based on whether mediawiki will purge varnish cache or have to additional javascript magic [14:28:42] will be easier this way with mediawiki working with varnish [14:29:08] Dantman: if you want to look at specific things, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49777/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49785/ do not appear to be going anywhere... [14:29:33] ki_: Actually I wonder if the real "Varnish doesn't support this" actually has a workaround that a lot of people just coincidentally put in their vcls. [14:29:41] Dantman: also, why would I bother pointing them out? We always have people shouting these things are not issues, and then nothing happens [14:30:42] 03(mod) move mediawiki/rcsub.git under mediawiki/tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47554 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:31:17] https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/users-guide/purging.html [14:31:35] i've tried a little bit with mediawiki 1.20 and no such luck yet [14:31:36] JeroenDeDauw: That's no reason not to shout about it. Shout about it and while nothing may happen then there's still a chance that in the future someone may try to fix it and something will happen. Don't mention it, and there's a good chance that no one will ever fix the issue. When they might have if you mentioned it. [14:31:50] 03(mod) Gerrit/Jetty flooding logs with "Dispatched Failed!" messages and becoming unresponsive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47284 +comment (10Chad H.) [14:32:14] Dantman: I very much agree with that sentiment in general [14:32:19] And with pointing out such issues [14:32:35] And even doing the effort to fix them rather then shouting about them and not doing anything else [14:33:22] However my experience shows me that the particular community in question here does not react well to such behaviour [14:33:30] It seems to be unappreciated [14:34:05] Hi sumanah [14:34:10] hi GorillaWarfare! How are you today? [14:34:15] I'm well! [14:34:24] 03(mod) delete git repos operations/debs/python-{statsd,voluptuous} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47545 +comment (10Chad H.) [14:34:36] * YuviPanda wishes sumanah a good day [14:34:49] YuviPanda: you were just on my mind and I was wondering how your exam prep is going! [14:35:01] badly, yet to start :) [14:35:08] but have started buying the books that I didn't have [14:35:09] I was going to send you a note since I presumed that you were offline and concentrating on other things [14:35:15] and i'm working today and tomorrow [14:35:21] sumanah: nah, that starts from thursday [14:35:29] JeroenDeDauw: Do it anyways... cause if there really is an issue there is a chance that at the very least some time in the future someone may look back and think "man we were stupid about that back then"... and I'm pretty sure that has happened. [14:35:31] I'm hoping to submit my GSoC application, and I was wondering how you wanted us to submit. The submission form has a "content" text area -- should I copy/paste the onwiki proposal, or just provide a link? [14:36:02] ki_: I see this in various people's vcls http://p.defau.lt/?bUmpxx77z8jiJGWtwxUvGw I wonder if that actually has the side effect of making our old PURGE commands work. [14:36:04] sumanah: thank you for the thoughtfullness though :) [14:37:03] let me first point out https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._How_does_a_student_apply and http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ . the best practice is this: start a draft on mediawiki.org. on April 22, submit that draft to GSoC officially via Melange. [14:37:03] then, as you get feedback (by talking here in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list) you revise both the wiki version and the proposal you submitted via Melange -- https://www.google-melange.com [14:37:08] that way there is a public copy that everyone can see and also there is the official copy that the mentors see and evaluate [14:37:39] oh, and prepare for melange to go down at the 'last minute', so don't do any changes in the 'last minute' :) [14:38:15] Okay, so copy-paste the onwiki, then? [14:41:33] 03(mod) Categorize {{#babel}} on thwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47418 +comment (10Dereckson) [14:42:26] GorillaWarfare: yeah [14:42:48] Thanks! [14:42:58] GorillaWarfare: good luck :) [14:43:09] thanks dantman i will try that out [14:43:24] Thanks Yuvi :) [14:43:27] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10Timeshifter) [14:47:16] Sorry I have not been more personal today - I'm also helping out another OPW mentee who is, unlike you, not quite self-assured enough yet to pop up in public IRC channels and ask for help on her own :-) Next week she will be, I predict [14:49:38] 03(mod) Categorize {{#babel}} on thwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47418 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:50:00] 03(mod) Thumbnails that are "inline" should break paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47518 +comment (10gwicke) [14:50:37] 03(NEW) Possibility to change behavier: add/overwrite of menuselct - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47555 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticFormsInputs; () [14:52:00] 03(mod) Wikibase Repo Invalid argument supplied for foreach() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47553 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:59:18] sumanah: Do we have a high-level page listing perceived social issues with our development community? [14:59:35] Not that I know of, no. [15:00:05] Taking with JeroenDeDauw makes me wonder if we should have one to reference and think about. [15:01:34] It would take a lot of thought and empathy to work on that in a way that actually improves things. [15:01:57] 03(mod) 'Name of wiki' field accepts 'MediaWiki' and '#' as the inputs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26720 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:04:03] Agree with sumanah on that last statement [15:04:25] life as an anthropologist about a 100 years from now must be so exciting :) [15:06:12] YuviPanda: yeah, this is what the future will look like: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTC9eNAQGJ1pFjgKgRvdpno2AEaBMVv6jVRamcFrYk1GumACkJFBg [15:06:19] YuviPanda: interesting fact: the first time I met my spouse, it was on a research trip regarding the sociology/political science aspects of FLOSS [15:06:27] (I mean the first time I met him in person) [15:06:41] JeroenDeDauw: That future looks pretty neat, I think :) [15:06:46] sumanah: aha! [15:06:54] sumanah: what exactly is a 'research trip'? [15:07:12] YuviPanda: it's where you physically visit someplace so that you can do research on what is there [15:07:29] YuviPanda: in this case, visiting CollabNet so the professor and I could talk to the people behind Subversion [15:07:31] Yeah, phasers to blast people that break the build. More effective then the nerf missles I ordered [15:07:34] hmm, that never hit me about FOSS (physical locations), but I think that's my bias [15:08:04] JeroenDeDauw: heh! But on average, life in the Star Trek Universe != life abroad the Enterprise [15:08:12] more replicators, less phasers [15:08:18] sumanah: ah, nice! [15:08:56] YuviPanda: http://www.crummy.com/2001/01/03/0 [15:09:00] sumanah: I suppose. Though do you think it might be useful in the future to have them written down in case someone with that capability does come around. It's also hard to fix something without first widely acknowledging it's an issue. Which I'd think the first step to that would be writing it down. [15:09:07] blimey you've been blogging a long time sumanah [15:09:27] oh wait it's him [15:09:33] YuviPanda: I was blogging then too. [15:09:52] also I'm yet to see a pocket protector, and i refuse to google :) [15:10:00] Dantman: Well, I have the thought and empathy, as do several other people in our community. And the first step is talking about it. Which doesn't necessarily require a public wiki page. We've talked about stuff at conferences and in IRC and so on. [15:10:31] hmm, I thought Dantman was talking about fundamental issues with certain classes in MW? [15:11:00] No, not right now [15:11:02] sumanah: I go back and look at http://yuvipanda.blogspot.in/2005/05/introduction.html sometimes and hopefully have gotten better since that. [15:11:23] YuviPanda: I'm definitely a better writer than I was in 2001. And Leonard is too. It's nice to see evidence of improvement. [15:11:41] indeed. I think I am too, but 'me during 2005' isn't that high a bar... [15:12:19] * Dantman only has stuff around that dates back to 2009 [15:12:38] ...well I might be able to dig something up from mailing lists [15:13:13] when I wince at my previous work, I try to remember that it's not the work that's changed; it's me. We're all growing and learning; a new perspective lets me see new sides (some of them unpleasant) of what I did before. I say to myself, "I could do that better now, if I did it again." And that means that my life between then and now has been worth it. [15:14:04] :) [15:14:11] I hope I have code from my early years somewhere [15:16:05] YuviPanda: a "pocket protector" is a plastic shield one places on one's shirt pocket, so that if ink from a pen leaks, it doesn't stain the shirt fabric. Most of the plastic is inside the pocket and thus unseen, but the top lip sticks out. [15:16:14] aha! [15:16:27] that's happened to me a few times... [15:16:41] I did not know of the existance of this [15:16:49] It's an utterly sensible invention. [15:17:10] sumanah: how much such thing costs? [15:17:26] Danny_B: These days I believe you can get them in packs of 5 for about $3 USD. [15:17:35] marktraceur: https://github.com/wikimedia/android-commons/pull/7 [15:17:42] i wish we had sth like that here [15:17:42] marktraceur: the commit fixing it is... strange [15:17:44] I got mine as a free giveaway from a Linux conference in about 1999. [15:18:21] i like smart giveaways like this, better than useless crap like baloons etc... [15:18:37] People with young children like the balloons and stickers. [15:18:53] YuviPanda: How d'you mean? [15:19:10] marktraceur: so, the regex \{\{ was matching the character | [15:19:31] or at least that is what my debugger tells me [15:19:37] that is... very strange. [15:19:58] I could've dug deeper, but realized that I could make my life easier by abandoning regular expressions for this case [15:19:58] Danny_B: http://amzn.com/B006RM1WP2 a pack of 3 Vinyl Pocket Protectors for $4.49 USD [15:20:01] and sensibly did so [15:20:09] YuviPanda: That makes no sense [15:20:14] marktraceur: exactly. [15:20:15] sumanah: thx [15:20:33] Ugh. [15:20:36] marktraceur: but... that is what the debugger told me. I was stepping through it! [15:21:01] YuviPanda: OK, I don't care what the debugger told you, you don't parse a file by stepping through it one character at a time [15:21:28] YuviPanda: Use the regexes, make sure the string that's matched *isn't* a | character. [15:21:49] If there are other things that match, maybe that will provide clues [15:22:21] marktraceur: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Boom_boom_panda.png&curid=69234&diff=170025&oldid=170023 is old code [15:22:39] marktraceur: and so is https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Meh_thia_fonna_get_boeing.png&curid=69233&diff=170024&oldid=170022 [15:22:43] err [15:22:44] i mean wait [15:22:55] marktraceur: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Rounded_android_icon.png&curid=69235&diff=170028&oldid=170027 [15:23:02] they're being processed by the same code [15:23:06] but see the differences [15:23:08] *nod* [15:23:22] YuviPanda: So A) Submit a bug to whatever regex library you're using [15:23:37] yeah, i've already found and worked aorund one bug in the regex library [15:23:51] but I'll need to whittle it down to a narrower case [15:23:52] B) Use the regex library and cover for their idiotic bug by detecting if the matched string is '|' and skipping it if so [15:24:04] down B) lies madness, no? [15:24:17] YuviPanda: Less madness than stepping through the file one character at a time [15:24:42] hmm [15:24:49] true [15:25:51] 03(mod) Stray wiki text on image description page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47380 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [15:26:19] marktraceur: okay, so what i'll do is try to whittle this thing down to a smaller reproducable case [15:26:27] Good plan [15:26:32] i'm still bound to think that i'm doing something stupid than it's a problem with the underlying library [15:26:40] marktraceur: the underlying library is also ICU, which is very widely used [15:26:41] YuviPanda: In the meantime submit the bug, someone else probably encountered whatever problem it is [15:26:46] 03(mod) High resolution equations for printing, Retina displays (hi-dpi) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3840 +comment (10Peter Krautzberger) [15:27:04] YuviPanda: Some more eyes on your code could help with that [15:27:18] yes that too [15:27:33] (github.com/wikimedia/android-commons for those itnerested) [15:27:44] I should setup some workflow that involves Gerrit at some point [15:27:50] Yeeeeeah [15:27:58] but.... butt...! [15:28:08] YuviPanda: We'll have none of your butts [15:28:21] <^demon|away> I like big... [15:28:24] <^demon|away> Ok, I'll stop. [15:28:28] patchsets and I cannot lie [15:28:43] * sumanah listens to Franz Nicolay [15:30:17] YuviPanda: Looks like a big codebase... might want to specify where the issue is. [15:30:23] moment [15:30:34] Or at the least Java makes it look big ;) [15:30:37] Dantman: github.com/wikimedia/android-commons is the commit in question [15:30:40] gah [15:30:44] https://github.com/wikimedia/android-commons/commit/e0c23a6038411b2295dd83bf7021ae2c3534f523 i mean [15:31:04] so that bit of code is supposed to remove entire templates. [15:31:05] https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Rounded_android_icon.png&curid=69235&diff=170028&oldid=170027 [15:31:09] YuviPanda: I'd suggest backpedalling to my commit, then adding the check on top of 'er [15:31:44] but was causing diffs like ^ [15:31:56] which turned out to be because the else if condition with TEMPLATE_END_PATTERN was matching true for | [15:32:09] marktraceur: hmm, right. Let me try that in a bit [15:32:09] YuviPanda: Yes, and you'll fix those by A) checking whether the matched string is '|' and B) testing the commit [15:32:18] okay, moment [15:32:19] 03(NEW) link to blockers in bugmail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47556 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [15:32:23] death to wikitext! move everything to html dom [15:32:44] also, I can't use Apache libs with GPLv2? [15:32:45] brion: I'm with you, but until then, let's just get Yuvi some working code [15:33:00] :) [15:33:03] well, the current one sortof works :P [15:33:15] YuviPanda: You certain that it's actually matching | rather than just being that the pattern is unanchored and you're not doing anything with the index that the characters are matched at? [15:33:15] * ^demon|away will write wikitext until you yank it out of his cold dead hands [15:33:16] apache libs should be fine on gplv2…. afaik [15:33:38] <^demon|away> You can use apache in gplv2, just not the other way 'round. [15:33:58] ^demon|away: apparently not https://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html [15:34:09] Wasn't there supposed to be an issue with including actual Apache code in GPLv2. [15:34:44] <^demon|away> Blahh. [15:34:46] <^demon|away> v3+ [15:34:48] Something about an extra requirement in the Apache license that GPLv2 didn't permit that they had to modify GPLv3 to fix. [15:35:03] <^demon|away> "Despite our best efforts, the FSF has never considered the Apache License to be compatible with GPL version 2, citing the patent termination and indemnification provisions as restrictions not present in the older GPL license. " [15:35:07] Dantman: ugh, hmm, yes. I think I might've mixed up match and find again [15:35:12] psssh [15:35:24] ^demon|away: brion at this point I'm considering just ditching GPLv2 and going Apache for the Commons app too. [15:35:27] bleh [15:35:40] <^demon|away> See, this is why everyone should just release their code into public domain :p [15:35:44] srsly [15:35:46] <^demon|away> Free code for all. [15:35:58] except those who steal it and don't share back [15:36:05] but meh, they're gonna be assholes anyway [15:36:09] <^demon|away> Special place in hell for those folks. [15:36:28] has annyone tried to run fossology over mediawiki and extensions? [15:36:33] brion: "Here, do whatever you want, except for if you want to keep the code away from your users" is kind of the idea of copyleft [15:36:51] yep [15:38:36] <^demon|away> Nikerabbit: Totally unrelated...but I was going to try and split off that TwnMainPage history for you today. Did you want that as an extension or as a repo under translatewiki.net? [15:38:41] YuviPanda: If it's not a real big codebase you want to prevent being turned into proprietary software by someone else... going with something other than GPL is always an acceptable and tbh often preferred option. [15:38:52] indeed [15:38:57] YuviPanda: CC-0 :) [15:39:18] legoktm: IIRC CC licenses aren't reccomended for code no? [15:39:25] ^demon|away: normal extension (mainly because easy of setting that up for translation) [15:39:44] YuviPanda: No, but CC-0 is basically the same level as PD so it should be fine. [15:39:44] <^demon|away> Gotcha, wasn't sure. I'll work on that after lunch. [15:39:55] hmm, right [15:40:08] At this point it should be simple to relicense, since I've been the only committer [15:40:13] (not counting i18n) [15:40:26] Supposedly CC-0 lets you release it as PD if the country doesnt recognize PD [15:40:46] you mean the US 20 years from now? :P [15:41:02] <^demon|away> YuviPanda: Do you agree to relicense? [15:41:17] gerrit returns exit code 255, permission denied (publibkey) [15:41:19] I do [15:41:25] now wondering what to relicense to [15:41:26] it was perfectly fine till yesterday! [15:41:30] Apache, I think? [15:41:40] <^demon|away> brion: I wouldn't mind trying to clarify the licensing of MW one day. Gonna be a PITA to dig up missing folks tho :\ [15:41:59] oh god [15:42:08] rewrite it, srsly [15:42:11] be easier [15:42:15] <^demon|away> Let me rephrase... [15:42:20] <^demon|away> "It would be nice to clarify..." [15:42:29] brion: objections to Apache? [15:42:32] pragunbhutani, do you have your ssh key loaded? [15:42:39] Platonides: I do [15:42:41] <^demon|away> brion: I'm totally ok with that ;-) [15:42:45] YuviPanda: for the app? apache or MIT is fine [15:42:53] GPL is good for big applications like MW. AGPL is good when you also have a reason to want people turning it into a service to hand over their improvements. MIT is good for nearly everything else. Apache is good when you want MIT but there are patents involved. [15:42:55] Platonides: I had been working without a problem till yesterday [15:43:19] Platonides: now I'm trying to amend a patch I'd submitted to gerrit based on review [15:43:23] <^demon|away> Dantman: What about assignment? Does MIT handle that ok? [15:43:24] and it get that error [15:43:30] <^demon|away> I know that's a reason people choose Apache sometimes. [15:43:32] if it's software, there's patents involved [15:43:40] some fucker's got a patent on "var a = 0;" i bet [15:43:43] GPL is good for everything. AGPL is good for web services. If someone whines at you about not using permissive licenses, consider giving them an LGPL copy. [15:43:50] public domain and no questions asked [15:44:01] brion: okay, Apache 2 coming up [15:44:11] * marktraceur throws confetti in the air in celebration of a nice old-fashioned #mediawiki flamewar [15:44:14] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/189 +comment (10Markus Glaser) [15:44:15] ^demon|away: Patent assignment? No. That's why I mention Apache. [15:44:17] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Clean up the way that VE must be configured per wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47557 minor; VisualEditor: Technical Debt; () [15:44:26] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Clean up the way that VE must be configured per wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47557 (10James Forrester) [15:44:53] Of course it's only relevant when YOU or someone you expect to be contributing to your codebase has relevant patents. [15:45:10] For most of us that's not the case. Hence it's simpler to use MIT. [15:45:47] But why it's good when say Google uses Apache for Gerrit instead of MIT. [15:47:12] <^demon|away> I meant copyright assignment, but yeah, same basic premise. [15:47:28] <^demon|away> You left out "And if you're PHP, you write your own license that nobody else uses." [15:47:33] <^demon|away> marktraceur: ^ [15:47:45] ^demon|away: Not just PHP :) [15:48:08] ^demon|away: Not really the same... afaik none of the major licenses include anything about assigning copyright to someone other than the original author. [15:48:41] See e.g. CDDL, EPL, MPL [15:49:01] 03(mod) link to "depends on"/"blocks" in HTML bugmail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47556 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Andre Klapper) [15:49:12] <^demon|away> DanielK_WMDE: Well, Gerrit is apache but you have to sign a CLA to contribute (which assigns all your copyright to Google). [15:49:13] Some of them have provisions that require people to allow their contributions to be used under a more recent version of the license. But don't require actual copyright reassignment. [15:49:18] <^demon|away> Bah, tab-complete fail. [15:49:19] 03(mod) Improve performance of round-trip test setup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44652 (10Gabriel Wicke) [15:49:22] <^demon|away> Dantman... [15:49:38] marktraceur: Dantman brion ^demon|away https://github.com/wikimedia/android-commons/commit/f026bdd924a39cbadc6313654c271627a836676e [15:49:49] 03(mod) Record performance numbers during RT testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46659 (10Gabriel Wicke) [15:50:01] YuviPanda: Downvote [15:50:05] ^demon|away: Yeah, that's done outside of the license. [15:50:27] <^demon|away> YuviPanda: +2, lgtm. [15:50:30] <^demon|away> Oh wait, it's github ;-) [15:50:33] :P [15:50:43] ^demon|away: In fact in a lot of those cases it only applies when you are submitting directly to the primary repo. [15:51:13] YuviPanda: Upgrade to GPLv3+ and your problem is solved without screwing up your copyleft [15:51:35] whee [15:51:54] is gplv3 google play store-friendly? [15:51:58] marktraceur: well, so I actually sortof kinda like BSD type licesnse more... [15:52:12] marktraceur: plus I'll need to completely understand GPLv3 before I can move to it. [15:52:20] yeah, and what brion said. [15:52:30] http://gplv3.fsf.org [15:52:32] <^demon|away> PD is easy to understand. [15:52:36] 03(mod) move mediawiki/rcsub.git under mediawiki/tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47554 (10Andre Klapper) [15:52:38] indeed. [15:52:41] +2 [15:52:45] ^demon|away: In theory you could make changes to Gerrit and make them public while keeping your copyright on them. ;) you just have to fork the repo and not commit it back to Google's. [15:53:03] <^demon|away> Indeed. [15:53:12] I don't know about Google Play, but I wouldn't be surprised if Google pulled some anti-community shit like that [15:53:21] rumor says google play is not gel incompatible. but that's just some wild googling, check with legal if y'all want to be sure :) [15:53:24] *gpl [15:53:32] And force them to allow you to keep the copyright on it if they want to include your commit into their repo. [15:54:23] All I remember is GPLv2 is not supposed to be compatible with the Apple AppStore. [15:54:30] <^demon|away> Heh, so there's some basis in fact here. We're possibly going to fork the gerrit repo so we can apply fixes more quickly than they can get upstreamed. [15:54:47] brion: I see multiple instances of Google Play apps that are GPLv3 [15:54:47] <^demon|away> Granted, we're still going to try to upstream everything, because forking would be really really awful. [15:54:51] brion: Play *is* GPL compatible [15:55:06] Wouldn't doubt that GPLv3 is too. [15:55:18] brion: what makes iOS app store not GPL compatible is their restriction on how many times you can install it even if it is a free app. [15:55:22] doesn't exist with Play [15:55:43] <^demon|away> Reason #8942 I don't like iOS. [15:56:00] marktraceur: 'When we say that GPLv2 and GPLv3 are incompatible, it means there is no legal way to combine code under GPLv2 with code under GPLv3 in a single program.' meh. [15:56:31] marktraceur: good news \o/ [15:56:31] YuviPanda: Single program. I think libraries from each camp work together fine. [15:56:38] YuviPanda: Eh? Sounds like that would only apply to something that is "GPLv2 only" [15:56:45] YuviPanda: also apple won't distribute the source for ya :) [15:56:56] brion: but I think that's fine, since the source can be made available [15:57:01] or maybe not [15:57:03] IANAL, etc. [15:57:12] oh boy, arew we having a ... license flame war!? [15:57:21] Not a super exciting one [15:57:22] yeah the phrasing is from 1991 so it…. isn't clear about modern web downloads [15:57:26] * marktraceur goes to commute [15:57:27] yup. [15:57:29] WORST FLAME WAR EVAR [15:57:33] indeed. [15:57:39] aren't we all on the same side? [15:57:46] can't we all just get along? [15:58:10] * ^demon|away throws fruit punch at brion [15:58:20] LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE [15:58:24] mmmm, nutritious [15:58:29] hah [15:58:45] Dantman: true but the Android Commons app was (IIRC) GPLv2 only, I think [15:58:53] 03(mod) Api documentation on mw.org is out of date, incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29936 +comment (10sam) [15:59:14] Dantman: either way, not worth the hassle, I think [15:59:19] <^demon|away> brion: Sooooo, I've got a fun weekend project I wanna do sometime with you...I wanna try loading CM on one of my phones. But I've always been afraid of bricking it :p [15:59:27] nice [15:59:46] ^demon|away: i haven't fiddled much with CM, but I have flashed some phones and tablets with stock images and ubuntu images. it's not as scary as it sounds :) [16:00:09] <^demon|away> Yeah, the "YOU CAN BRICK YOUR PHONE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED" scared me off. [16:00:27] that's why i have like a million phones ;) [16:00:31] if i kill my gnex, eh [16:00:55] one of the reasons i went back to a GSM provider, i can swap SIMs [16:01:03] GSM FTW [16:01:05] though that's harder now cause you got SIMs, Micro-SIMs, and Nano-SIMs [16:01:16] <^demon|away> One of the reasons I've always liked TMo. [16:01:21] yeah [16:01:36] i gotta see if i need to unlock my wife's iPhone before we can move it to tmobile [16:01:43] <^demon|away> That, and they've always unlocked your phone for free if you just call and ask. [16:02:08] yay [16:02:37] YuviPanda: Does the app explicitly say "only"? [16:03:07] <^demon|away> 74 days in Virginia \o/ [16:03:09] The GPL has a beautiful little paragraph in it "Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the Program specifies a version number of this License which applies to it and "any later version", you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation. If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever pu [16:04:03] "[...] If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation. " [16:04:30] I wish I knew what part of my irc setup is truncating my messages. [16:06:01] heh [16:06:02] Platonides: I'll try and generate a new key and add that to github and gerrit [16:06:11] Dantman: so we just had a COPYING file. not even a preamble [16:07:16] YuviPanda: In other words the GPL's "If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation." should kick in. Allowing you to use any GPL version. Including GPLv3. (Technically though that also allows the use of GPLv1) [16:07:33] hmm, right. [16:08:01] so there never was an actual incompatibility [16:08:02] You could double check with legal on what "specify" might mean. [16:08:38] 03(mod) VisualEditor: MWTemplateNode should serialize original HTML if unchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47394 (10Ed Sanders) [16:09:16] Just on the unlikely chance that including the text of one version of the GPL inside your COPYING file would legally consist of "specifying". [16:09:26] heh [16:09:34] * YuviPanda should add preamble to all files [16:11:03] * Dantman has a long one inside of his Gareth README that he hopes is actually legally valid. [16:11:22] oh I do have the long one, it's just in the COPYING [16:11:54] ;) Oh no, long one besides the license itself [16:12:24] YuviPanda: https://github.com/dantman/gareth#license [16:12:35] ah [16:12:37] right [16:12:58] ah, AGPL [16:13:23] ;) actually the long stuff is the stuff after the AGPL [16:13:51] oh [16:14:01] the 'this can be almost any license you might want, really'? [16:14:04] :D [16:14:29] lol, well it's not 'that' permissive [16:15:33] But I do want to leave it open for small components of Gareth that would be better off as separate python libraries, when turned into actual python libraries, to not be stuck under the AGPL. [16:15:43] right [16:15:48] licensing seems to be a minefield [16:16:32] eg: I have a module of code that acts as a wrapper allowing you to do some git things from python. [16:16:54] Dantman: seen mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/G2G [16:16:55] ? [16:17:31] If someone cleaned that up it could potentially be a valid python library. And it would probably be better off as MIT. [16:17:46] YuviPanda: yeah [16:18:13] https://github.com/yuvipanda/SuchABot [16:18:35] 03(mod) Wikidate Repo preg_match() Unknown modifiers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45287 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [16:23:09] YuviPanda: If you were asking... Yes I intend to give the final iteration of Gareth a real HTTP api. ;) and you can rejoice in the fact that Gareth supports branches with multiple commits. So you don't have to squash any pull request into single changesets. [16:23:23] wheee! [16:23:33] git not pretending to be svn! [16:25:38] YuviPanda: That said... you might not need the bot at all. ;) I am considering a plugin api you could easily use to integrate that right into Gareth. [16:25:47] right [16:25:54] there is one for gerrit too [16:26:06] 03(mod) access.log always shows 127.0.0.1 as host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47547 +comment (10Addshore) [16:26:07] but writing gwt didn't seem like my idea of fun [16:27:13] Heh.. sure, but Gareth is written in python, with some JavaScript and maybe client facing Lua. ;) not Java and Prolog. [16:27:33] YuviPanda: You also get to be pampered by gevent. [16:27:40] ugh, I hate it when random stuff like this happens [16:27:43] ooooo [16:27:53] is it a good idea to generate a new ssh key and add that to github and gerrit? [16:28:23] pragunbhutani: There's nothing wrong with that. But whats the issue? [16:28:43] Dantman: I'm trying to amend a patch I'd submitted for review to gerrit [16:28:49] and when I enter git review -d 60198 [16:28:57] I get a permission denied (publickey) [16:29:05] and this was working perfectly well till yesterday [16:29:09] Ah [16:29:14] I went to sleep, got up, and now this [16:29:47] YuviPanda: Any luck? [16:29:49] Dantman: any ideas [16:29:50] ? [16:29:58] (with the regexes, I don't care about the licenses) [16:30:03] pragunbhutani: Well there's nothing wrong with adding new pubkeys to Gerrit and GitHub. Both allow mutliple keys and don't require you to use the same key you were using before. [16:30:31] pragunbhutani: You could even just add the one you have right now if it's not already in. [16:30:44] marktraceur: yes, I think I found the bug [16:30:56] Dantman: I've tried that, but with no luck [16:30:58] Dantman pointed it out right away [16:31:13] marktraceur: i'm having food, will see if I can build on top of yours right after that [16:31:19] YuviPanda: What was the problem? [16:31:25] marktraceur: so i was using find() [16:31:28] that's not anchored [16:31:35] YuviPanda: ;) I was actually thinking that might be the case before you even showed me the code. lol [16:31:38] it doesn't check the start of the string, but the entire string [16:32:06] Dantman: yeah, I've caused bugs caused by mixing up match and find many times before. Still keep getting tripped up [16:32:21] Dantman: and went off on a completely different tangent, and me and marktraceur were even considering bugs in ICU [16:32:23] YuviPanda: Isn't that what you want? [16:32:36] marktraceur: sure, but then i'm not incrementing the cursor appropriately! [16:32:48] 03(mod) Automatically propose/suggest a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47492 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:33:00] 03(mod) checkuserresults cannot be customized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47505 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [16:33:16] I'm still not sure I see why [16:33:43] YuviPanda: Is it because you could match for {{ on the string "}}{{" and skip over the closing brace? [16:33:52] 03(mod) #tag cannot produce XHTML-style self-closing tags, required by LST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37256 +comment (10aklapper) [16:33:52] Because my patch fixed that. [16:34:02] 03(mod) on he.wikivoyage TOC are on the left instead of right as you would expect in RTL wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46864 +comment (10roland.unger) [16:34:05] no [16:34:06] see [16:34:16] 03(mod) Display error when user tries to create a circular redirect (self-redirect) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27683 (10Andre Klapper) [16:34:16] YuviPanda: In the future though you should be able to get an index out of the pattern or match (can't remember which) instead of stepping char by char. [16:34:17] find on '}}' will always return true [16:34:28] and decrement brace count [16:34:31] even if it is 100 chars away [16:34:39] ...yes [16:34:55] YuviPanda: Why would you not want it to? [16:35:07] 03(mod) temp files left around from some uploads (maybe uploads of new versions only?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36085 +comment (10aschulz4587) [16:35:28] 03(mod) Enable Collection on lbwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47469 +comment (10aklapper) [16:36:29] marktraceur: His code was written to step char-by-char rather than grab the index out of the match. ie: It used something like charIndex++; but used unanchored patterns so even when the match was 100 chars away it would increment by 1 char and change the brace level. [16:36:42] ... [16:36:46] 03(mod) mw.loader.using throws exception when a module doesn't exist [mobile] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47296 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [16:37:10] * marktraceur orders plane tickets to India and a custom-made cluebat with "DO NOT STEP THROUGH THE STRING CHARACTER-BY-CHARACTER" engraved in it [16:37:12] Of course the ideal thing to do would be get the index out of the match. [16:37:29] That's what I DID. [16:38:15] Why is the code still stepping through character by character when we've invented bloody regexes [16:38:23] Though for just getting it working anchoring would work. [16:38:51] 03(mod) Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46640 (10Terry Chay) [16:39:03] Haven't checked the code entirely but it might need a little more than simple modification to do unanchored stuff properly. [16:39:21] Dantman: https://github.com/wikimedia/android-commons/pull/7 would be the simple modification [16:39:36] Of course it doesn't apply to the latest, because the latest is now broken differently [16:40:13] okay, I was distracted by a zebra [16:40:27] Sure [16:42:08] I've always had a dislike for buffered+character readers in java. [16:42:40] YuviPanda: My cluebat is on the way, in 5-7 business days you'll have "ING CHA" imprinted on you [16:42:59] It's so tough to switch from a character stream to a binary stream at the right point. [16:44:24] You should never have to read char-by-char anywhere but C [16:44:53] * Dantman forces himself to get breakfast [16:45:44] YuviPanda: Please, for the love of dog and all that is holey, use my patch [16:46:55] anyone have experience setting up the OpenID extension? nothing's happening when I click Log in, I have debug log [16:48:45] here's my debug log if anyone can figure it out http://pastebin.com/Lvz2ma3s [16:50:13] 03(mod) VisualEditor: MWTemplateNode should serialize original HTML if unchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47394 (10James Forrester) [16:52:51] 03(NEW) ABC notation not support Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47558 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [16:53:31] 03(mod) ABC notation not support Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47558 +i18n (10shi zhao) [16:57:39] yess!! [16:57:48] Dantman: It works now! thanks :) [16:58:04] now I can finally get back to doing what I had to do in the first place e:p [17:01:14] 03(mod) Unintelligible string 'maps-displaymap-par-visitedicon' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44863 (10Nemo) [17:01:14] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Nemo) [17:04:31] Micru: Re: Email, yes [17:04:49] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [17:06:40] Micru: Ta [17:11:19] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/189 +comment (10bennylin) [17:12:53] hi ageis - you might want to ask on mediawiki-l for help with the OpenID extension [17:13:18] 03(mod) Enable [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] on Wikisource sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7355 +comment (10James Forrester) [17:13:51] also - the licensing discussion is over? it's safe to come back? :) [17:13:57] lvillaWMF: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20130423.txt is the log [17:14:43] 03(NEW) The Special page listing the active users is not working at ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47559 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [17:15:12] sumanah: thanks [17:15:17] !lists [17:15:17] mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details. [17:15:30] 03(mod) The Special page listing the active users is not working at ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47559 (10sunil) [17:17:05] Ageis: if you can catch wikinaut on irc, he can help with that extension [17:17:53] 03(mod) MessageBlobStore::clear() causes scaling problems on multi-server setups with CDB l10ncache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27320 +comment (10Rob Lanphier) [17:18:48] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Content in an LTR wiki is displayed RTL in CE block if the interface language is RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33175 +comment (10jforrester) [17:18:51] 03(mod) Add an api to each wiki that will issue a token used for authentication on another wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46905 (10Rob Lanphier) [17:19:14] Oh sweet... jQuery FINALLY supports .css([ "width", "height", "backgroundColor" ]); [17:19:45] I hate to restart the licensing discussion, but skimming it, I should note that CC-0 is not a good code license because it doesn't have a patent grant. [17:19:59] I'm led to believe that CC will be fixing that in the future. [17:20:28] 03(mod) The Special page listing the active users is not working at ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47559 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [17:20:31] 03(mod) Special:ActiveUsers query is very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41078 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [17:22:17] (and Apache <-> GPL 2… I won't start in on that unless someone buys me a drink.) [17:25:35] 03(mod) Run en.wikipedia.org Jenkins jobs after the site is updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47551 +comment (10greg) [17:25:51] 03(mod) Enable Collection on lbwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47469 +comment (10dereckson) [17:25:59] 03(mod) postgresql problems and patches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47180 (10Andre Klapper) [17:27:01] 03(NEW) wap.wikipedia.org (without language) does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47560 normal; Wikimedia: WAP mobile gateway; () [17:29:22] 03(mod) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 +comment (10gerritadmin) [17:31:00] 03(mod) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [17:31:23] 03(mod) Socialization links in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46678 (10Fabrice Florin) [17:32:40] 03(mod) Setup central login domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46902 +shell; +comment (10Peter Gehres) [17:32:58] 03(mod) Socialization links in flyout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46678 summary (10Fabrice Florin) [17:35:07] 03(NEW) Book upload customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47561 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; () [17:35:38] 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925 (10dacuetu) [17:35:38] 03(mod) Book upload customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47561 (10dacuetu) [17:37:31] 03(mod) Migrate hume cron jobs to terbium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47060 +comment (10sam) [17:37:46] 03(mod) VisualEditor: When the diff result is null (no changes), don't show a confusing blank diff but instead a message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43754 +comment (10krinklemail) [17:40:55] 03(mod) Collection: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36781 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [17:41:34] 03(mod) Render server error for specific ZIM or PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46946 +comment (10aklapper) [17:43:12] 03(NEW) Remove web display preference for notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47562 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [17:44:12] 03(mod) Remove web display preference for notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47562 (10Fabrice Florin) [17:44:56] 03(mod) Monitor that LVS config and mw_install are in sync - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23662 +comment (10aklapper) [17:49:32] 03(NEW) Extension:Score needs some people as default CC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47563 minor; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [17:50:40] 03(mod) Add an api to each wiki that will issue a token used for authentication on another wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46905 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [17:50:56] 03(mod) temp files left around from some uploads (maybe uploads of new versions only?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36085 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:51:01] 03(mod) Setup central login domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46902 +comment (10sam) [17:52:50] 03(mod) MediaWiki should check ETags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47529 +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper) [17:59:06] * YuviPanda remembers to buy lvillaWMF a drink when he meets him next [17:59:35] Hong Kong! [17:59:54] (after many, many rounds we'll get into the usage of GPL for server-side software.) [18:00:16] lvillaWMF: deal! [18:00:26] lvillaWMF: I'll hold you to it :P [18:02:34] 03(mod) Missing config option to provide anonymous logging required by german law - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12494 +comment (10PleaseStand) [18:04:12] <^demon|away> lvillaWMF: So is PD problematic for the same reason? [18:04:27] i have a project for wikipedia for my GSOC. Can I propose it ? [18:05:13] There is no such thing as "PD", really. I mean, you can say "I dedicate this to the public domain", but that says nothing about patents, and is probably invalid (for copyright) in most of Europe. [18:05:24] Vishal_: you can tell us about it, and you'll probably get some feedback, but don't rely on this channel for anything opfficial. [18:05:43] So really best to talk about a specific public domain dedication, like CC-0. [18:05:43] <^demon|away> lvillaWMF: *nod* [18:05:45] lvillaWMF: cc0 [18:06:00] Then where should I refer to ? [18:06:21] DanielK_WMDE: right, but (as I was saying a bit ago) CC0 doesn't have a patent grant (hopefully will be fixed in the future) [18:06:21] Vishal_: talk with us here now, then we'll tell you :) [18:07:05] lvillaWMF: iirc MIT doesn't have a patent grant either [18:07:12] Vishal_: welcome to #mediawiki [18:07:17] sumanah: Thanks! [18:07:26] hey sumanah :) [18:07:29] Vishal_: maybe you can start by talking with us about why you are specifically interested in Wikipedia & Wikimedia [18:07:37] hi DanielK_WMDE ! How are you doing? How is your family? [18:07:47] ok [18:08:01] sumanah: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Making-it-yours [18:08:17] sumanah: "pretty good" is the best I can do in a single line :P [18:08:17] Dantman: I should have been more precise - CC0 explicitly says "I don't grant you any patents" [18:08:18] here is my philosophy for wikipedia [18:08:39] MIT is silent on the issue, and was written before software patents were widely considered to be viable [18:08:43] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10aklapper) [18:08:46] so it's different [18:09:14] (that said, no one should use MIT/BSD to start new projects these days either - they should use Apache unless there is some reason that GPL 2 compatibility is extremely, extremely important) [18:09:41] lvillaWMF: Why? [18:10:14] oho! [18:10:19] don't trust this lvillaWMF guy. [18:10:23] because it is much better to rely on an explicit patent grant than to cross your fingers and rely on historical analysis of what was/wasn't typically included in a software license at the time the license was written. [18:10:23] lvillaWMF: Oops. :-) [18:10:27] May I ask for assistance and information regarding the Women's Internship for MediaWiki, please? [18:10:33] I can't see any disclaimers, he cannot be who he says he is. [18:10:39] haha [18:10:57] Sumanah: and you thought it was safe ;-) [18:10:58] ;-D [18:11:10] {{stdlegaldisclaimer}} [18:11:17] bawolff: just when you thought it was safe. OSI 2 - the sequel [18:11:20] sumanah: Did you visit the link ?, what you think about that . [18:11:24] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 (10Andre Klapper) [18:11:31] Lol [18:11:41] lvillaWMF: Which is all fairly irrelevant if the people writing the code don't even own any patents [18:11:42] Vishal_: I am glad that you want to improve knowledge and learning for everyone! That is a good goal and that is our goal as well [18:12:02] Dantman: only if you assume no one who owns patents will contribute in the future [18:12:09] * odder goes to edit {{stdlegaldisclaimer}} so lvillaWMF can see the true value of {{subst:}} :) [18:12:34] sumanah: can i propose the project which hopes to do that [18:12:50] Vishal_: could you be more specific as to how? [18:13:02] Vishal_: You can propose it, but of course you will have to be willing to listen to the criticism of others in order to make your idea better [18:13:05] that is the nature of open source [18:13:48] bawolff: sure! [18:13:49] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Content in an LTR wiki is displayed RTL in CE block if the interface language is RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33175 (10James Forrester) [18:13:53] Vishal_: some pieces of advice for you: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Your_project http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ http://open-advice.org/ and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template [18:14:09] hi Matrix! [18:14:24] yes, please go ahead and ask for assistance -- sorry I didn't see your question originally. I'm an OPW mentor. What can I do for you? [18:14:36] sumanah: Thanks! i am already following them. And I am ready for criticism [18:14:45] Good. :) [18:15:08] Hello, sumanah. I had read all of the information; however, was looking for assistance to begin contributing prior to submitting my application as per requirements. [18:15:24] Matrix: Great. What is the specific project or task you're interested in? [18:15:50] also, Matrix I recommend you start using a dedicated IRC client so that you can easily keep logs of conversations people have with you [18:16:07] I use XChat; others use irssi, ChatZilla, Colloquy, and other applications [18:16:11] 03(mod) VisualEditor: data-parsoid attribute sometimes not preserved properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47430 (10James Forrester) [18:16:25] Honestly, there are so many I was wondering if anyone could help me select based on experience and knowledge; therefore, my contributions would be more efficient. [18:16:28] sumanah: do i have to show my proposal here before submitting my proposal to GSOC or you will consider it afterwasrds. [18:17:07] Vishal_: so let us turn that question around. What do you think is most in keeping with open source philosophy and ways of working? [18:17:28] I did look over the IRC chats, but there were different features. Therefore, I have not had enough time to evaluate them at this time. [18:17:32] Matrix : they are all different - but in the end they Are pretty much all the same. Its probably safe to pick one at random [18:19:01] Matrix: maybe you can start by talking with us about why you are specifically interested in Wikipedia & Wikimedia - that'll help me talk with you about possible projects [18:19:06] * bawolff likes chatzilla [18:19:07] I do need to learn more about coding due to my certifications and educational focus. I would like to learn more about developing; however, I am still a novice. [18:20:47] I, recently, graduated with a BA in Social and Criminal Law specializing in Forensics and posses Cyber Law, Cyber Ethic, Netwrok Assurance, White Collar Crime, and Digital Forensic certifications. [18:21:06] sumanah: Sorry my internet got interrupted due to which i might have lost some messages from you. please copy paste your last 2 messages... [18:21:21] !gsocapp is Start a draft on mediawiki.org. ASAP, preferably in April, submit that draft to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback (by talking here in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list), you revise both the wiki version and the proposal you submitted via Melange. That way there is a public copy that everyone can see and also the official copy that the mentors see and evaluate. Also, prepare for melange t [18:21:21] Key was added [18:21:21] o go down at the 'last minute', so don't wait to finalise it. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._How_does_a_student_apply & http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ [18:21:25] argh. [18:21:33] Matrix: what OS are you using? That's one major factor in picking an irc client :) [18:22:18] Windows 7; however, have a server available [18:22:36] !gsocapp del [18:22:36] Successfully removed gsocapp [18:22:37] Server is Lunix and php available [18:22:41] !gsocapp is Start a draft on mediawiki.org. ASAP, preferably in April, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback (by talking here in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list), you revise both the wiki version & the Melange version. Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, prepare for melange to go down at the 'last minute', so don't wait to [18:22:41] finalise it. www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._How_does_a_student_apply & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ [18:22:41] Key was added [18:22:53] you know, I'm going to fix this in the next iteration [18:22:59] sumanah: /query wm-bot ? [18:23:06] it doesn't work outside a channel anymore DanielK_WMDE [18:23:12] no? that sucks. [18:23:30] sumanah: Thanks!. [18:23:47] Matrix: last I used windows, xchat was powerful but ugly, and chatzilla was prettier but a bit dumb. [18:23:56] Matrix: i'd run irssi on the Linux server inside a 'screen'. that way my IRC sessions stays, and i can just join and part my session on the server [18:24:06] Matrix: mIRC seems to be a favorite around here for Windows users, actually [18:24:27] o_0 [18:24:28] mutante: that's for command line purists :) [18:24:46] sumanah: so,let me draft a wiki version and then ask you for critics. [18:24:46] Matrix: if you want to run it on your Windows machine and free software try something like the free builds of X-Chat http://www.silverex.org/features/ [18:24:46] !gsocapp del [18:24:47] Successfully removed gsocapp [18:24:49] !gsocapp is Start a draft on mediawiki.org. In April, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list, revise both wiki & Melange versions. Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, Melange may crash at the 'last minute', so don't wait. Check the Melange FAQ & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ [18:24:49] Key was added [18:24:52] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10Faidon Liambotis) [18:24:56] DanielK_WMDE: but.. IRC is text-only anyways :) [18:25:05] https?:// [18:25:08] mutante: but tabs! [18:25:20] 03(mod) Freeze some components for archived extensions in MediaWiki extension product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47540 normal->minor; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [18:25:48] DanielK_WMDE: oh well, i hit Alt + a number instead [18:25:58] Vishal_: also, be Sloppy Sam and not Perfect Pat http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos [18:26:00] mutante: also, roster, nice topic editing, etc [18:26:08] * DanielK_WMDE likes Konversation [18:26:12] Matrix: The same advice goes for you http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos [18:26:30] When setting the ICR on the server would I need to remove the content already stored? [18:26:31] DanielK_WMDE: the price is that you'll miss everything being said while you were gone [18:26:54] sumanah: Thanks! [18:27:08] heh, you can also have both worlds, by running a bouncer on the server and connecting to it with your favorite GUI client [18:27:11] Vishal_: it's fine to mention it in IRC every time you add ~250 words to your draft :) [18:27:47] sumanah: I have already added more than 1000 words. Can i show you here. [18:27:51] of course [18:28:36] I used to use mirc til it got all 'pay me', use icechat these days [18:28:47] Matrix: which content do you mean? don't worry too much about the client choice at this point i guess. this should also be fine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatZilla i just wouldn't buy Mirc.. meh [18:29:14] Vishal_: you can look at the channel logs at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20130423.txt if you miss messages due to disconnections. [18:29:32] We link to the channel logs in the "/topic" at the top of the channel. [18:29:32] ok [18:30:06] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Adding a hyperlink to an exsisting page deletes the line. The link doesn't get inserted (undefined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47546 summary; +comment (10James Forrester) [18:30:07] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413 +comment (10James Forrester) [18:30:16] !gsoc [18:30:16] MediaWiki participates in the Google Summer of Code mentorship program. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GSoC Please read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ if you're thinking of applying to GSoC. Student applications are being accepted until April 6. [18:30:22] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10federicoleva) [18:30:32] !gsoc del [18:30:32] Successfully removed gsoc [18:30:36] so, if i wanted to move from a single-server installation of mediawiki (with nginx/php-fpm) to multiple web servers, what are some things to keep in mind? (like, how to handle uploads?) [18:30:47] Because I would like to start with an empty server and complete everything from the beginning to ensure everything starts from the bottom up, would anyone mind helping walk me through this task? [18:31:54] sumanah; how long you will be here ? [18:32:16] Matrix: best work your way through the install guide and come here to ask qhenever you run into a problem [18:32:20] Vishal_: I work at the Wikimedia Foundation for as long as they will have me. Perhaps you mean, how long will I be in #mediawiki today? [18:32:28] !install | Matrix [18:32:28] Matrix: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [18:32:33] yea [18:32:48] Matrix: I do want to ask about why you are specifically interested in Wikipedia & Wikimedia - that'll help me talk with you about possible projects [18:33:25] Vishal_: I plan on being here for about 150 more minutes, although I may take breaks. This is basically my office. [18:33:27] I found those, I just need to know how to remove the data on my server. Begin with a blank canvas for learning while contributing. [18:33:56] Vishal_: However let me also ask you -- based on your reading of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GSoC , if you need help, who else would be able to help you? [18:34:14] Matrix: that very much depends on what's on your server, and whether you might need anything that's on there. [18:34:15] Currently, I have wordpress installed. However, I would like to remove it. [18:34:30] Matrix: delete the respective directory and the respective database [18:34:32] that'll do it [18:34:47] Matrix: and where is the server? did some provider give it to you or is it a PC in your bedroom..or ...? [18:35:01] there's no need to do this though, you can just put mediawiki into another directory and a separate database [18:35:17] hm... [18:35:21] Paying for the server every two years [18:35:23] sumanah: wikitech-1 but i have never used that [18:35:25] i guess the key question is: do you have shell access to that server? [18:35:57] Completely registered as anonymous [18:36:03] Matrix: so if you dont want/need to backup anything on it.. i'd just ask the people you are paying to reinstall it from image [18:36:04] if you have shell access, and it's a linux box, this should be simple enougzh [18:36:10] sumanah: my proposal will be completed in 30 mins max and i will show you complete proposal [18:36:39] Yes, I have access to my server in shell access form [18:36:47] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 (10Ryan Kaldari) [18:36:56] back in a moment [18:38:18] Matrix: is it Ubuntu or Debian or ... [18:38:23] 03(mod) Remove web display preference for notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47562 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:39:06] Vishal_: you can just hit save now and show it to me :) [18:39:10] I would have to take a look, yesterday was the first day I was analyzing it [18:39:16] Vishal_: you should join wikitech-l [18:39:40] Matrix: so a quick way to get the current mediawiki code on it: apt-get install git-core ; git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git [18:39:46] 03(mod) category prefix is lost in watchlist for some Wikidata changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46886 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Umherirrender) [18:40:08] sumanah: i registered for it and recieved a couple of newsletter from them. but i didn't get how to use [18:40:15] Matrix: do you have experience managing a web server? [18:40:24] or working on linux in general? [18:40:38] sumanah: please also tell me what is ASAP. [18:40:44] "As soon as possible" [18:41:17] Vishal_: When did you register to join wikitech-l? How many days ago? [18:41:23] today [18:41:34] OK. Here are the instructions on how to use it: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l [18:41:55] Not really; however, I have read a lot about it. I believe the internship would provide a great hands on experience for what I need while providing valuable contributions. [18:41:59] You send an email to wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org and then hundreds of people get it in their inbox, and it is archived publicly [18:42:20] Matrix: you might also want to look into https://www.hackerschool.com/ as an alternative [18:43:56] sumanah:do you have access to that. Can I try by sending an e-mail from my registered e-mail to see if things are finee [18:44:30] Vishal_: Yes, I am registered on the wikitech-l mailing list. I suggest that you try sending an email introducing yourself and linking to your proposal. That will also work as a test email. [18:44:38] 03(mod) meta=globaluserinfo doesn't display homewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28768 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:44:46] Micru2: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47561 FYI [18:44:56] sumanah: great [18:44:57] Or is that you? [18:44:57] 03(mod) add style to hidden abuse log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28247 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [18:45:26] Oh it totally is. [18:47:05] sumanah: what is ASAP and how to draft my project there [18:47:34] I will defiantly take a look at the hacker school information, thank you. But with the application deadline be so close and I found the information yesterday, does anyone have any viable solutions to ensure my contribution and application is submitted within the given deadline? [18:48:00] Matrix: answering my questions would help :) [18:48:27] Vishal_: ASAP is an adjective meaning "as soon as possible". It is not a place to draft your project. You should draft your proposal on mediawiki.org. [18:48:39] I am attempting to keep up, my apologies sumanah [18:48:43] It's ok :) [18:48:58] I did the same thing when I missed your initial question [18:49:27] sumanah: I hope i didn't disappoint you. [18:49:41] Vishal_: It's quite all right. Everyone makes mistakes. [18:49:58] ok [18:50:22] let me e-mail and come back to you [18:50:34] This is completely a new learning environment for me and I believe it will be exciting. Just please bear with me while I get a handle on things [18:50:42] Of course :) [18:52:07] Ok, so I need to create a proposal for mediawiki first and set up my server, correct? [18:52:28] Matrix: No, I think the very first thing to do is to chat with us more about yourself :) [18:52:35] that way we can determine what the next step would be. [18:52:46] Matrix: perhaps a word on irc... [18:52:49] For some OPW projects, setting up your own MediaWiki installation isn't the best next step. [18:52:53] communication on irc is terse and informal, and semi-asynchonous. don't take it personally if nobody replies, or somebody just vanishes in the middle of a conversation, or tells you "later". [18:52:57] Also, many people here are not native speakers of english. Some niceties may be lost. [18:53:13] Matrix: it's completely fine that you speak in complete sentences and are a bit formal [18:53:20] that too :) [18:53:33] Matrix: it's a welcome bit of refreshment because I run into way too many people who use SMS-speak :) [18:53:36] just don't take it wrong if others don't. [18:53:36] is it possible to get the diff between two revisions of a given mediawikipage [18:53:52] I understand [18:53:56] sumanah: y u no like sms spk? [18:53:58] action=compare gives some weird html-thingy [18:53:58] lbenedix: yup. Go to the page history and look for the radio buttons :) [18:54:13] lbenedix: Don't use an action. [18:54:14] oh you mean programmatically. :) [18:54:17] sumanah: and with the api? [18:54:21] yes [18:54:35] first step: get pageid: done [18:54:44] lbenedix: i... think so. i think it's with action=query&prop=revisions [18:54:53] rvprop=diff or some such [18:54:59] i recall hacking at that code a while ago [18:55:07] Matrix: By the way, are you in North America? [18:55:15] lbenedix: For page views &diff= and &oldid= are used rather than a specific action. [18:55:57] Dantman: which is quite annoying, because it means that the view action has to implement the diff view too [18:56:00] Matrix: You might also enjoy visiting the IRC channel #opw on GNOME's IRC network irc.gnome.org [18:56:04] I'm there as well. [18:56:15] Correct sumanah. US bound and believe in sustainability, education, and society's preeminent interest, safety. [18:56:29] I like all of those things as well! [18:56:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&prop=revisions&format=json&rvlimit=10&titles=MediaWiki%3AGadgets-definition [18:56:48] that gives me the revisions and comments [18:57:03] DanielK_WMDE: There is no 'too' the view action IS where diff is implemented. It's also where &oldid= style is implemented. [18:57:54] Dantman: yes, and that sucks :) [18:58:03] Matrix: So, you might also be interested in Open Technology Institute, and Tor [18:58:13] (as mentoring organizations) [18:58:36] I found mediawiki by researching information to assist establishing a secure platform, which I don't believe has been created to integrate into everyday technology [18:58:55] DanielK_WMDE: That said... My idea of eliminating actions and special pages in favour of PageViews and a real request router would actually make it possible to implement diff in a different area of code. [18:59:26] Matrix: If you're looking for netsec-type projects, you can search "security" in the tags at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 (not to turn you off from the WMF, of course) [18:59:30] Can you tell us more about what you mean by "secure platform" Matrix? I'm especially curious that you're more interested in Wikimedia than in Tor -- not that I mind, of course, because I love having more cool people around Wikimedia tech -- but Tor is a more obvious tool for secure stuff [18:59:36] I just remember seeing there were a number of groups that work with them. [18:59:42] Needless to say, congressional approvals have been pushed aside; therefore, no one is funding a proposal [18:59:42] er, it? [18:59:56] DanielK_WMDE: Maybe, but strictly speaking keep in mind that diffs are in fact also page views. [19:00:02] GorillaWarfare: I believe Matrix is not eligible for GSoC as she has already graduated from one college & is not accepted/enrolled in any other [19:00:14] Ohh, missed that bit :) [19:00:16] Dantman: strictly speaking, everything is :) [19:00:25] * GorillaWarfare goes back to her lurking corner [19:00:48] GorillaWarfare: but thanks for the reminder of course -- all of those groups would be interested in mentoring a person even outside of GSoC's framework, I'm sure [19:01:17] btw GorillaWarfare all the music popping up on wiki pages is nice, isn't it? [19:01:23] DanielK_WMDE: No, not that kind of page views. I mean that by default a diff page does a complete render and display of the page's content in the exact same way as &action=view normally does it. And that's an intentional feature. [19:01:30] GorillaWarfare: like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonatas_and_partitas_for_solo_violin_%28Bach%29#Items [19:01:31] If mediawiki integrates this aspect, it would be open source. As mediawiki has the foundation for what I am attempting to do [19:02:03] sumanah: Ooh, that [19:02:07] *Ooh, that's awesome [19:02:11] Matrix: I'm a little puzzled, but maybe I should just ask for you to speak more about what your vision is [19:02:17] When I get some free time, I'm hoping to work on transcribing some too :) [19:02:22] and I'm also wondering whether you're interested in FreedomBox, Matrix [19:03:04] Give me a moment and I can send a link for it [19:03:48] this is the only diff-like thing I can get [19:03:49] /w/api.php?action=compare&format=json&fromid=14548426&fromrev=176097412&torev=175618632 [19:04:09] GorillaWarfare: if you have a moment to update https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Music_terminology that would be cool [19:04:44] Ooh, yes [19:04:52] 03(mod) Entering search terms with "Wikipedia:" prefix on Wikidata site redirects to Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47215 +comment (10Legoktm) [19:05:00] I was also noticing the distinct lack of documentation for the extension -- some on-wiki info on Lilypond/ABC is also on my to-do list [19:05:05] Which grows ever-longer... >< [19:05:20] http://www.foreffectivegov.org/files/21strtkrecs.pdf [19:05:37] This should help explain it a bit more [19:05:43] prop=revisions is not returning a diff [19:05:57] 03(mod) Entering search terms with "Wikipedia:" prefix on Wikidata site redirects to Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47215 +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia) [19:06:55] Currently, when indivduals want to be employed through gov agencies individuals are provided separate devices to ensure security [19:07:31] 03(NEW) Show a helpful error message if a required PHP extension is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47564 enhancement; MediaWiki: Installer; () [19:07:40] However, the costs are high; therefore, a platform to integrate bother security into the devices is essential [19:07:48] 03(mod) Use of undefined constant JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47356 +comment (10pleasestand) [19:10:49] Additionally, the use of VPNs are increasing. However, if integration of the two transpire, security increases while reducing an environmental footprint [19:11:11] GorillaWarfare: I just wanna link to the existing LilyPond docs really [19:13:11] Matrix: I'm skimming the PDF - can you point me to a specific section or appendix? [19:13:24] "CHAPTER C - NATIONAL SECURITY AND SECRECY"? [19:14:06] One moment [19:14:13] sumanah: The issue with doing that is that the extension uses lilypond a bit differently [19:14:21] DanielK_WMDE: this is the "diff" I get from action=compare: http://pastebin.com/GRYRmDBD [19:14:29] (I think -- I haven't had that long to look at it, that is) [19:17:00] 03(mod) Remove web display preference for notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47562 (10Ryan Kaldari) [19:17:46] sumanah: do you know anyone looking for a gsoc project? [19:18:12] Hi Micru! Yes, I probably do, but qgil is a better person to ask about that since he is administering the GSoC side for Wikimedia this year [19:19:18] ok! [19:21:09] 03(mod) category prefix is lost in watchlist for some Wikidata changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46886 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [19:21:38] Matrix: hey there. Just so you know, I'll still be here in this channel, but if you want to get my attention for when you can continue our conversation, just say my nickname ("sumanah") and my client will make a noise to tell me you have said something I should see. [19:21:45] !tabcompletion [19:21:45] Instead of manually typing another person's nickname in IRC, you can type the beginning of their name and hit TAB on your keyboard to get it autocompleted, like on the command line. This avoids misspellings. Just make sure it's the right person! [19:22:41] * sumanah also waits for Vishal_'s draft  [19:22:51] I would rather see the unfinished thing now than wait for it to be "finished" [19:23:32] sumanah: I havee sent it to wikitech [19:24:19] Vishal_: Well, actually, what you sent to wikitech-l was: "For now my user page is under development. Please bear with this format" which wasn't a good idea. [19:24:32] yes [19:24:34] Vishal_: However, we now know that you have the ability to send email to the mailing list, so that is good! [19:25:02] Vishal_: so, where are you writing this draft? [19:25:12] is it in a text file on your home computer? [19:25:27] sumanah: I have written it in word document [19:25:43] D10 and D15 is what I had found at the moment; however, yesterday I was reading where the use of the FOIA and VPNs was esential. However, a section for the entire opensource must include nondisclosure and classified materials separate from the open material [19:25:43] 03(mod) meta=globaluserinfo doesn't display homewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28768 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [19:25:48] Vishal_: Here's what you do. You copy and paste it into https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Making-it-yours/GSoC2013 right now [19:26:21] Additionally, for it to be configured correctly, the system needs to be installed upon devices prior to release [19:26:30] Matrix: ok. so right now are you using "open source" to mean intelligence gathered from public sources, or software developed via collaboration and protected by OSI-approved licenses? [19:27:30] sumanah: ok , but i swear it's formatting will be disturbed [19:27:38] Vishal_: so what? you can fix that later. [19:28:40] right now, Vishal_, I want to see the text -- the basic idea of what you are thinking - and in open source we "Release early and Release often" [19:28:53] yes [19:29:09] This goes for design documents and proposals as well as code. Remember, you want to be Sloppy Sam, not Perfectionist Pat [19:29:10] That is the main idea [19:29:24] sumanah: i did that [19:30:20] Vishal_: ok, this is a very good development. I'm glad you finally published something [19:30:23] :) [19:31:02] hi Micru , how can I help? [19:31:28] Samanah, any thoughts? [19:31:37] !tabcompletion | Matrix [19:31:37] Matrix: Instead of manually typing another person's nickname in IRC, you can type the beginning of their name and hit TAB on your keyboard to get it autocompleted, like on the command line. This avoids misspellings. Just make sure it's the right person! [19:32:00] qgil, I was just wondering if there is any table with the gsoc candidates that already have proposal and the ones that don't [19:32:03] Vishal_: so I want to give you a suggestion. Go to an example Wikipedia page such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard . On the lefthand side see the print/export options? look at those [19:32:16] Matrix: ok. so right now are you using "open source" to mean intelligence gathered from public sources, or software developed via collaboration and protected by OSI-approved licenses? [19:32:49] Micru, no, there isn't... What are you looking for? [19:32:57] sumanah: ok [19:33:40] Vishal_: Do you see an option to download the article as a PDF? [19:33:53] yes [19:33:57] That is the main idea; however, a universal metadata system and a few other features need to be added or updated [19:34:07] Vishal_: Do you think that would help you study? [19:34:07] qgil, I am looking for potential candidates for the book uploader project, should I spam the people who left a message on the gsoc page? [19:34:19] Micru, it's not a bad idea. Maybe we could start doing this at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Students_interested [19:34:29] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Edit tab should have tooltip and accesskey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47396 +comment (10James Forrester) [19:34:29] I got the message. [19:34:33] sumanah: i don't think so [19:34:36] Why not? [19:34:42] Hey guys [19:34:51] hi Aayush251 [19:35:07] Micru, anybody in that list has showed an interest. What I can do is to move those that have effectively applied to GSoC [19:35:28] qgil, yes, that would be useful to know who is free [19:35:34] Micru, give me 5 mins [19:35:50] qgil: ok! [19:36:03] Matrix: What kinds of devices are being distributed to these security-conscious personnel? are these simply authentication keys, or phones, or tablets, or something else? [19:36:12] Micru I just got your message. [19:37:16] 03(mod) Make new user login/account creation the only version after testing and MW namespace cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46333 +comment (10mflaschen) [19:37:35] 03(mod) Entering search terms with "Wikipedia:" prefix on Wikidata site redirects to Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47215 +comment (10bugzilla-wikimedia) [19:37:53] 03(mod) Make new user login/account creation the only version after testing and MW namespace cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46333 +comment (10mflaschen) [19:38:20] Any device, as it would be BYOD (bring your own device) For example, the service would need to be preinstalled before shipped for resale. Therefore, if anyone becomes employed and needs to use a device the device can avert compromising security [19:38:33] Aayush251, does it interest you or do you have a project already? [19:38:43] 03(mod) Cite error category rapidly populating with phantom entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46978 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [19:39:05] sumanah: it's not that we find everything for an assignment on a single page. so, we have to download the pdf o every page we need and highlight in that pdfs. Ok, suppose I did that. Now, say I developed my project in my home but i need to look some information from those pages from my school. Now, i don't have those pages they are at home. wikipedia surely have those pages but they don't... [19:39:05] ...have highlighted content.h [19:39:16] I wanted to work to QA but that project is for outcast for women [19:39:26] Vishal_: you could use Kiwix [19:39:51] oh [19:39:54] Aayush251: If GSoC would let us mentor projects that are not directly about building open source codebases then we would. Sorry [19:40:06] also, you mean "outreach" and not "outcast" - the two words have very different meanings [19:40:21] Oh [19:40:22] also, Vishal_ you could use Zotero [19:40:25] So sorry >< [19:40:30] My bad [19:40:36] sumanah: let me google it i don't know about them [19:40:37] Understandable :) I've made worse typographical errors than that [19:40:37] * Aayush251 is so sorry [19:41:04] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [19:41:26] greetings from Google Test Automation Conference, where I am showing browser tests to people from Expedia and Align [19:41:34] :-) [19:41:41] So yeah I'm free Micru [19:41:53] Matrix: ok, this helps me understand why you want to install everything yourself from the bare metal [19:42:27] Matrix: when you said "a platform to integrate bother security into the devices" was "bother" a typo? [19:42:51] Aayush251, great! Then read the book uploader proposal and the associated bug >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#UploadWizard:_Book_upload_customization [19:43:01] LOL, do you understand why it is crucial to assist mediawiki now? I meant both, typo error. [19:43:46] sumanah:have you seen it's size it's 18 GB . Who's goona download such large file and from where . In India it's not possible. Plus My project offers other things too... [19:44:20] 03(mod) Make new user login/account creation the only version after testing and MW namespace cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46333 +comment (10swalling) [19:44:28] sumanah: do you have a mobile device what it's hard disk ? [19:44:38] ERROR : Could not connect to commonswiki-p.userdb.toolserver.org : User 'magnus' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 30) [19:44:42] OH NOT AGAIN [19:45:02] Micru are you the mentor? [19:45:47] odder: OH HELL NO [19:45:59] Matrix: OK, I think I have been able to piece together what it is you're interested in pursuing. You specifically want to create an application or operating system-level framework that can get preinstalled on practically any device -- Blackberry, Windows, Android, iPad, laptops, etc. -- that ensures that the users can easily use secure messaging and in fact only use secure messaging when working with classified data, but also allows for them to us [19:45:59] e regular email/IM/etc. for public-sourced info [19:46:00] 03(mod) Make new user login/account creation the only version after testing and MW namespace cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46333 (10Steven Walling) [19:46:08] Reedy: :-P [19:46:46] Matrix: (finishing that cut-off line) but the application or framework or system that you create would also allow them to use regular email/IM/etc. for public-sourced info [19:46:46] Aayush251, no I am not the mentor, just the proposer. Marktraceur would be it. [19:46:49] Is that right, Matrix? [19:46:59] 03(NEW) Spaces moved to the end of the line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47565 normal; Parsoid: General; () [19:47:22] Aayush251: Oh hai there [19:47:34] Vishal_: My mobile device has a capacity of more than 18 gigabytes [19:47:52] 03(mod) Render server error for specific ZIM or PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46946 +comment (10kelson) [19:48:06] Vishal_: OK, so this is good -- we are narrowing down what the use case for your suggestion is [19:48:26] Public sourced info would be available with all of the features, correct. However, separate from classified access while integrating everything being requested from a gov security standpoint [19:48:42] Hey marktraceur [19:48:47] sumanah: i didn't get "OK, so this is good -- we are narrowing down what the use case for your suggestion is" [19:49:11] Vishal_: ok. do you know what "use case" means? [19:49:25] 03(mod) Courses become "Passed" as the beginning of their last day instead of the end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47361 +comment (10jeroen_dedauw) [19:49:29] sumanah: no [19:49:37] Matrix: I do not think MediaWiki is a good application to try to use for the goal you are trying to achieve. [19:49:58] Matrix: MediaWiki is not meant to be installed on mobile devices, for one thing. [19:50:17] 03(mod) Allow disabling of password retyping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45667 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [19:50:33] Vishal_: A "use case" is the situation someone would be in where they would need the thing you are suggesting. [19:50:47] 03(NEW) Install "HTML-Tags" on de.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47566 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; () [19:50:59] For instance, a classic "use case" for a bicycle is that you are in Place A and want to get to Place B that is 5 kilometers away. [19:51:14] sumanah: ok [19:51:14] brion: Why is your last name all caps? [19:51:29] It's a French thing [19:51:39] (probably among other cultures) [19:52:25] Vishal_: so: one use case for Kiwix is that a person downloads the new version of Wikipedia onto a computer, burns DVD copies, and then goes around to schools once a month to update the versions of Wikipedia they have on the computer lab hard drives [19:52:26] So if you were french you'd be HOLMQUIST? [19:52:28] No, it would not need to be "per say" installed but configured to run [19:52:40] Isarra: Yes [19:52:44] Matrix: "per se" [19:54:18] Vishal_: You can also use Wikipedia Zero in many cases to read Wikipedia articles for free on your phone via SMS/USSD -- https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/10/29/wikipedia-zero-grows-readership-in-africa-and-asia/ has an introduction to that. [19:54:31] 03(mod) Install "HTML-Tags" on de.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47566 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [19:54:31] Although this depends on who your mobile carrier is. [19:54:52] sumanah: commented for kwix but that is very cryptic what if you need some information from your friend's house. Your friend might not have that 18 GB in it. [19:56:07] Vishal_: ok. So, also on the left-hand side of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard , just above "download as PDF" is "create a book" -- you might want to play around with that [19:56:22] Currently, the FCC has opened the infrastructure to opensource if block c is purchased; therefore, limitaions are no longer present. [19:56:28] if you know that there is a set of 30 pages that you want information from, you can "create a book" of those pages and then download them all as a nice package [19:56:37] Does anybody know if there is caching in MW for action=history? [19:57:09] JeroenDeDauw: I think it can be squid/varnish cached since we do send htcp purges for history pages [19:57:11] Matrix: can you give a link so I can understand better about that FCC thing you just mentioned? [19:57:19] sumanah: Yeah i know but you don't know what page you will need to assess next moment. [19:57:25] Sure, one moment [19:57:35] Vishal_: do you mean "access"? [19:57:36] bawolff: yeah sure - wjat about MW itself though? [19:57:43] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [19:58:10] http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation [19:58:29] sumanah: i mean suppose your project is on velocity and speed so, you created a book for them [19:58:59] sumanah: Do recent graduates qualify for GSoC? [19:59:09] JeroenDeDauw: I don't think so. Code just looks like squid/varnish or FileCache [19:59:15] Isarra: Please check the GSoC FAQ on that. [19:59:29] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a [19:59:41] "In order to participate in the program, you must be a student. Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." [19:59:44] Isarra: yeah the french and japanese sometimes do that, and it's not uncommon among Esperanto-speakers [19:59:51] "As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of May 27, 2013, you are eligible to participate in the program." [19:59:54] (i actually came to wikipedia through the esperanto edition :) ) [19:59:55] I did - it seemed to say no, but you'd said yes? [20:00:10] sumanah: next moment while reading book you got interested for the meaning of cgs unit while looking theirs. so, need of a new page. so what will you do? download the page or create a new book [20:00:15] bawolff: wondering if I should bother to cache some action I added, and if so, what the best approach would be [20:00:29] sumanah: I'll have either graduated or dropped out by then. [20:00:35] Then you won't be eligible. [20:00:36] How expensive is it? [20:00:45] Okay, that's what I thought. [20:01:13] sumanah: won't be it great you can just highlight the sentences while you are reading on the fly. [20:01:13] 03(mod) morebots goes into an infinite loop of doing nothing after a connection reset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47275 +comment (10rlane32) [20:01:15] I was under the impression that the important date - the date that was the litmus test - was in April. Now it's in late May. Different from last year [20:01:16] Micru, to be best of my knowledge: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Students [20:01:26] Ah. [20:01:37] qgil, thanks [20:01:39] sumanah: no need t download or create book as it consumes time [20:01:53] Well, since you'd kept pinging me about it when I wasn't around, I couldn't ask then. >.< [20:01:57] Isarra: if you asked me about the eligibility before this year's criteria & timeline were announced, maybe that's why there was confusion. [20:02:20] Vishal_: have you heard of "save as HTML"? [20:02:35] I didn't ask! You were the one saying I could do it. It was very confusing. [20:02:43] Vishal_: if you've loaded a page into your browser already, then you can just save a page [20:02:53] sumanah: yes i have how many pages you will save. 1,2,3 .......1000 [20:03:39] Matrix: the page you've given me doesn't mention open source. What am I missing? [20:03:55] sumanah: what if someone on your wikipedia page have a tracking history for your reading list and things are nicely highlighted in it [20:04:13] Vishal_: ok. It sounds like what you want to do is to use the star button at the top right corner of the page and create a "watchlist" maybe? [20:04:56] Isarra: I *do* know you are eligible for https://www.hackerschool.com/ . [20:06:02] Matrix: MediaWiki isn't particularly suited to run on mobile devices. Can you say why you think MediaWiki specifically is a good choice for the need you want to fill? [20:06:17] Vishal_: I also recommend you check out Zotero. [20:06:36] sumanah: you are really very fast [20:06:45] sumanah: That's an interesting link [20:06:48] please wait. [20:07:16] Sure. [20:07:26] bawolff: it really is [20:08:29] sumanah, ref http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-April/068695.html is there any Wikimedia GSoC application that we could use as example? [20:08:29] sumanah: It makes me happy such things exist [20:08:55] qgil: Previous ones are probably on various people's talk pages [20:09:14] Harry Burt's [20:09:18] bawolff, sure but if those of you that were here in previous years recall a good one... [20:09:22] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application [20:09:44] sumanah, perfect, thanks [20:09:46] :) [20:10:16] it might be INTIMIDATINGLY good qgil [20:10:41] 03(mod) Install "HTML-Tags" on de.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47566 +comment (10Dereckson) [20:10:59] http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0321/FCC-12-31A1.pdf [20:11:03] sumanah, well... we all need to get used to this kind of intimidation in cool free software projects :) [20:11:06] qgil: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Drecodeam/GSoC_2012_Application [20:11:17] 03(mod) Spaces moved to the end of the line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47565 +comment (10Gabriel Wicke) [20:11:54] This should provide better information, the first link provided an overview showing no one may block or limit applications to be utilized if a carrier purchases block c [20:12:08] * bawolff attempts to rebase a change that is dependant on another change. I feel like this isn't going to work right. Stupid gerrit [20:12:08] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10sam) [20:13:01] Therefore, if the carrier purchased any amount of block c, limiting innovation is prohibited. Therefore, as innovators we posses the right to run any application we chose [20:13:05] Maybe I should rebase the dependant patch first [20:13:07] bawolff: I think it will - should put your commits on top of current master and resubmit both [20:13:19] bawolff: I vote do it all at once, should be fun [20:13:29] Matrix: ok. The specific bit of confusion here is because you said "Currently, the FCC has opened the infrastructure to opensource if block c is purchased; therefore, limitaions are no longer present." and I don't understand why you specifically mentioned open source [20:13:41] I haven't submitted anything totally wrong to gerrit in a while, why not now :) [20:13:46] Right! [20:13:53] bawolff: It's a tough job [20:14:19] Because block c was established around open source to ensure innovation [20:14:37] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [20:14:50] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [20:14:56] who had the gorgeous idea of calling a key "*"? [20:14:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=compare&format=json&fromid=14548426&fromrev=507398523&torev=508934382 [20:15:05] Matrix: do you mean "open access"? [20:15:24] sumanah: zotero I agree that it my project contains functionality similar to zotero. But, it has to be installed on every browser from which you are assessing wikipedia. second suppose your are trying to use wikipedia from your friends computer and he has it's own zotero installed then what you will do . third it has a part of functionality of my project but this is not project. [20:15:24] lbenedix: well, it was always that way [20:15:35] Freedom of choice is the only thing I can see coming out of that [20:15:35] lbenedix: there's a bug open about changing it to something else someday [20:15:58] as whole [20:16:22] lbenedix: because it was to match the XML format, and it was choosed probably to prevent it from clashing with any other valid key [20:16:27] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10sam) [20:16:34] MatmaRex: how do i get the text with js? [20:16:43] lbenedix: foo['*'] [20:16:46] hey marktraceur [20:16:53] Aayush251: Howdy, what's up? [20:16:55] can I get easy bug to fix as a test? [20:16:59] Oh sure. [20:17:01] * marktraceur looks [20:17:08] bawolff: thx! [20:17:10] Matrix: ok, I have done some more research on my own and I understand a little better now [20:17:17] lbenedix: Compared with the syntax php needs to get an object member named *, js is downright nice ;) [20:17:25] sumanah: i feel that you don't like rather dislike my project. And it's Ok you can say it to me if you feel wikipedia doesn't need such sort of things. [20:17:46] marktraceur, are you looking for this one? :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42775 [20:17:52] Vishal_: I am trying to help you achieve your goal :-) I want you to succeed [20:18:06] Vishal_: this means that I question you so that your proposal gets stronger [20:18:06] I am trying to put it in terms that you can understand. I have researched so much on this it is unbelievable [20:18:32] lbenedix: something['*'] [20:19:06] Micru: If your other student abandoned that one, sure. I have another. [20:19:12] Matrix, I believe you :-) but I still don't understand why MediaWiki specifically is the best choice for this goal [20:19:19] marktraceur, yes, he definitely abandoned [20:19:28] Vishal_: let me give you some of our perspective. [20:19:36] Aayush251: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42775 then :) [20:20:07] sumanah: yeah i understand. And i really appreciate your efforts and time and everything. But, if you feel that it's a wrong direction you can say and i will completely drop this idea. Ofcourse you will help me find a new way. [20:20:26] Vishal_: Some people started English Wikipedia in early 2001. Ever since then there have been people with new ideas of new things to do. Sometimes people tried them. These included putting images in the pages, and having lots of languages available, and customizing things via JavaScript, and so on and so on [20:20:50] and now we have Commons, and Tamil Wikipedia, and Wikidata, and Wikivoyage, and Wikibooks, and Wikiversity, and so on and so on [20:21:17] and the way we get better is by nicely arguing :) [20:21:42] if you have an idea then you shouldn't drop it just because I say "I feel it's the wrong direction" - you should make me say WHY [20:22:54] good software depends on us understanding why a person would want to use it [20:23:00] sumanah: could you just give me that link which you ask me to use when chat is disconnected, I forgot to copy that and it happened again with me [20:23:12] Vishal_: it's in the "topic" at the top of the channel. [20:23:22] Currently, the reason why mediawiki is suitible is because of the following: 1. FCC regulations 2. mediawiki open source ethical standards 3. if mediawiki is involved possibility more information could be released so long as the standards per the requirments are met. 4. possible funding for Wiki Foundation in general [20:23:33] sumanah: Thanks. [20:24:06] Matrix: So it could equally easily be WordPress, Joomla!, Python, or any other open source project that has a parent foundation :-) [20:24:19] * lvillaWMF looks up [20:24:22] FCC regulations? [20:24:26] * lvillaWMF clearly missed something [20:24:28] 03(NEW) Opera Mini: Cannot focus search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47567 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [20:24:48] Matrix: Yeah, we're looking for technical reasons that the project should use MediaWiki, not social or legal or ethical ones [20:24:54] lvillaWMF: Because of the Block C regulations re open source, Matrix thinks it would be a good idea to put MediaWiki on mobile phones, I think [20:24:57] Well, lvillaWMF might be looking for some of those [20:25:11] hehe [20:25:25] I'm not looking for anything, just this is not the sort of thing I would have expected to see pop up here [20:25:41] 03(NEW) Opera Mini: watch star - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47568 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [20:25:53] sumanah: i am not able to figure it out . i know that's annoying. please give me another time [20:26:04] lvillaWMF: You're telling us [20:26:09] Matrix: I agree with marktraceur - I worry that you are trying to fit a square-shaped peg into a round hole [20:26:19] when working with usercontribs is there a way to get the previous rev_id along with the current ID? [20:26:32] Vishal_: do you see a bunch of text that starts "MediaWiki support | https://www.mediawiki.org | https://bugs.mediawiki.org ...."? [20:26:44] Betacommand: from the mediawiki side? [20:26:57] bawolff: Im working with the API [20:26:58] As we do indeed query that when showing Special:Contributions [20:27:09] I don't think its exposed to the api [20:27:18] why not? :( [20:27:19] let me check [20:27:25] Matrix: if you are trying to introduce cross-platform software onto a lot of devices that helps protect the security of messaging, I think you should try chatting with OTI or Tor [20:27:42] Matrix: To clarify I have no idea what you're trying to do, but MediaWiki on a mobile phone strikes me as not being the way to do it [20:27:46] ...probably. [20:28:10] Mediawiki is the foundation of several platforms; therefore, mediawiki should be the one to integrate. However, feedback is welcomed [20:28:14] Mostly, I'm hoping you can convince me that it's a great idea, because if you can then you must have a great plan. [20:28:18] Betacommand: probably because no one asked before [20:28:34] note that the Block C regs are about access to the phone hardware, not really about the software running on the phone itself (with the possible exception of the boot loader) [20:28:47] IIRC [20:28:50] (has been a while) [20:28:50] Matrix: my feedback is that I think you are misunderstanding what the words "platform" and "integrate" mean [20:28:54] Sorry I'm confused. We're talking about mediawiki on mobile phones in order to use secure messaging between users? [20:29:09] I'm all for abusing mediawiki use cases, but that seems to be pushing it [20:29:16] 03(NEW) Opera Mini: Toast messages do not disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47569 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [20:29:19] bawolff: We'll let you know when we untangle it [20:29:24] sumanah: yes support desk [20:29:56] Vishal_: I mean within your IRC environment - in ChatZilla - do you see those words? "MediaWiki support | https://www.mediawiki.org | https://bugs.mediawiki.org" [20:30:04] 03(NEW) Opera Mini: References - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47570 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [20:30:15] 03(mod) Opera Mini: References rendering issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47570 summary (10Jon) [20:30:19] yes [20:30:27] on the top [20:30:35] 03(NEW) Score needs better error differentiation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47571 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [20:30:49] Vishal_: ok. That is the "topic" or "/topic". Within that, do you see the phrase "channel logged"? [20:30:54] or "channel logs"? [20:31:05] yes [20:31:10] ok. Click on the link right next to that. :) [20:31:12] Matrix: are you planning a Extension:PGP where users can post encripted messages on a wiki and only those with the key are able to view the pages? [20:31:15] 03(NEW) Opera Mini (tracking bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47572 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [20:31:58] Mediawiki supplies the platform for wikipedia if I am not mistaken. Additionally, there is a wiki database. However, to provide wikipedia's foundational goal to provide educational information, opening government data is possible [20:31:58] Betacommand: Currently you would have to take all the revision ids from user contribs, then put them in the revisions module to get the parent id out [20:31:59] i clicked there are a lot of files [20:32:10] 03(mod) Opera Mini (tracking bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47572 (10Jon) [20:32:11] 03(mod) Opera Mini: Cannot focus search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47567 (10Jon) [20:32:14] 03(mod) Opera Mini: watch star - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47568 (10Jon) [20:32:15] 03(mod) Opera Mini: Toast messages do not disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47569 (10Jon) [20:32:15] Vishal_: Right. They are datestamped. Look for the one that corresponds to today's date. [20:32:16] 03(mod) Opera Mini: References rendering issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47570 (10Jon) [20:32:29] ok [20:32:41] 03(mod) Opera Mini issues due to javascript (tracking bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47572 summary (10Jon) [20:33:03] bawolff: GRR [20:33:38] Betacommand: Do you want me to add support for fetching that directly in usercontribs - it would take a little while (probably about 2 weeks) before it gets reviewed/deployed [20:33:52] bawolff: Please [20:33:55] ok [20:33:58] Matrix: There are databases in a lot of systems, you still haven't really explained what's special about MediaWiki that you need to use it on a mobile device [20:34:08] save me from filing a bug :P [20:34:11] Matrix: yes, helping distribute more data more widely, including US government data, is something the Wikimedia Foundation would be interested in. But the way to get there is NOT to try to run a PHP-based web app on mobile phones, in my opinion [20:35:02] sumanah: you are a great teacher. Thanks! i have read your messages for me. [20:35:16] Vishal_: Great! Glad to help. [20:35:53] sumanah: so, what you think about project. [20:36:34] The connection would transpire on a VPN not an app [20:36:35] Vishal_: so when I look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Making-it-yours/GSoC2013 I think you haven't thought enough about this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Your_project [20:37:04] Matrix: "MediaWiki != Wikipedia: YES to generic MediaWiki projects. YES to projects already backed by a Wikimedia community. NO to projects requiring Wikipedia to be convinced." [20:37:15] I'm sorry, I meant to address that to Vishal_, not Matrix [20:37:59] Vishal_: what you are proposing would require that you persuade the Wikipedia community that it is a good idea. In our experience, one summer is not long enough for you to do that and build it as well [20:39:06] Matrix: Do you know what the phrase "web app" means? [20:39:17] sumanah: ok, but i think it won't take much just a few databases, tables and java scrippt [20:39:36] php [20:40:04] Application that is hosted and served within the invisible infrastructure of the world wide web? [20:40:11] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 (10Ryan Kaldari) [20:40:39] Isarra: BTW, I really hate how your new favicon for MediaWiki is dulling the level of hate I have for the logo. :-) [20:41:29] <^demon|away> Hey, I totally said we should run a logo contest. [20:41:44] <^demon|away> But you and I never did anything with that :) [20:42:46] James_F: The logo is pretty! [20:42:56] Isarra: It's totally wrong. [20:43:00] It [20:43:03] 's pretty! [20:43:03] Vishal_: You may like to read this: http://bitquabit.com/post/one-which-i-call-out-hacker-news/ [20:43:08] Like mediawiki isn't! [20:43:18] Isarra: Organic stuff in an otherwise vector world. [20:43:21] Isarra: Ha. [20:43:31] I have a vectorised one, you know. [20:43:51] It's enormous and rsvg can't render it, but still! [20:43:55] Matrix: Why "invisible"? You can host a web app on any machine you want. [20:44:17] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10rkaldari) [20:44:39] Invisible represent the airwaves of the transmitted signal connection [20:44:43] Matrix: the key here is that web applications are meant to serve web sites and to live on the kinds of computers we call "servers" [20:45:05] James_F: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_logo_1.svg [20:45:20] sumanah: ok! but, i feel... ok i must be feeling wrong. so, it won't be considered ? [20:45:23] huh? people dislike the logo? [20:45:29] Matrix: Well, OK, but you can host a web app on your own computer and access it locally, too. [20:45:39] i mean, it's not too logo-ish, but it's nice [20:45:41] It becomes more of a point app at that point, but still [20:45:51] MatmaRex: It's too pretty for them. [20:46:10] Vishal_: the point of this discussion is to figure out how you can iterate your idea into something that will work. do you know what "iterate" means? [20:46:26] 03(mod) Use transparent images in Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47444 +comment (10sam) [20:46:59] Matrix: I suspect what sumanah is aiming for is that the idea of a web application doesn't really mesh with being hosted on a mobile device [20:47:21] Integrate means to work into something already existing [20:47:48] Matrix: I suspect you need to read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki to help you understand the differences among Wikimedia, Wikipedia, and MediaWiki [20:47:49] sumanah: in programming context it's meaning is to repeat say iterate over a loop,,, [20:48:01] also, Matrix check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture [20:48:44] Vishal_: Right. In the context of planning, to "iterate" means to try something or think about it, modify it in response to criticism or problems or successes, try or talk about it again, modify it again, and so on and so on. [20:49:07] Isarra: Still vector+sprite. [20:49:36] I don't know what that means. [20:49:51] sumanah: could you suggest me something. Because, my project is on wikipedia and GSOC will not love that fact. [20:50:03] Vishal_: Here, we are discovering issues -- especially the fact that if you want to change the experience for ALL of the users of all the Wikimedia sites, you need a lot of time for community discussion and design [20:50:04] James_F: What's sprite? [20:50:21] Isarra: bitmap [20:50:28] 03(NEW) Add "SPAM" as a deletion reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47573 enhancement; MediaWiki: Page deletion; () [20:50:28] raster image [20:50:35] Ain't nothin raster about this. [20:50:51] 03(mod) redirect.php has gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47279 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:50:56] So I installed wikimedia on local host and I got the extension code [20:51:08] sumanah: yes this is the issue [20:51:09] Isarra: Combining things with sharp divides (like "["s etc.) which can be defined mathematically to arbitrary scale, and things without makes it ugly. [20:51:11] any idea how can I add it into my local wikimedia? [20:51:21] Vishal_: However, the heart of what you want is to improve people's ability to use Wikipedia sites when they are on slow internet connections and they switch from computer to computer, and they want to highlight information to be able to read it later, in the context of the original articles [20:51:28] James_F: The flower is fully vectorised. [20:51:35] Isarra: In that case, it's taken a poor-quality image of a sunflower (of all things) and vectorised it. [20:51:58] Aayush251: s/Wikimedia/MediaWiki; MediaWiki is the software, Wikimedia is the foundation that hosts Wikipedia & other related sites like Wiktionary and whatnot [20:52:01] Isarra: Which is very hard work, but it doesn't flow with the rest of the design. [20:52:25] Vishal_: Is that right? [20:52:25] Isarra: Also, our entire logoset except for MW has no raster elements. [20:52:29] sumanah: not just to that because my proposal was incomplete [20:52:34] Dereckson: going to participate as a mentor in GSoC ? [20:52:34] 03(mod) ABC notation not support Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47558 +upstream; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:52:42] sumanah: I do understand this is something which would take time to develop, logically speaking. However, to do so, I must first begining by learning and contributing to obtain a grasp on the initial though [20:53:13] Isarra: I'm just being grumpy. :-) [20:53:18] James_F: Aye, to use a flower is different, but different is not inherently bad. Wikipedia's globe is also different, and in a similar way. [20:53:30] Vishal_: ok. So, I need to go soon and have a one-hour meeting. In the interim time, here's what I suggest you do: look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen , log into en.wikipedia.org and look at the "Gadgets" section of your preferences, and go ahead and write more in your proposal [20:53:36] Isarra: The global also is a poor logo, for similar reasons. :-) [20:53:55] And the flower itself is higher quality in the vector because the vector allows for it - and demands it. [20:54:05] Isarra: Lacking colour/saturation discontinuity makes it hard to scale, spot and alter for monochrome/etc. [20:54:21] Aye, mediawiki's is better for those things. [20:54:32] yurik_: your bot is everywhere. I clicked on one of the demo links from the api on my local wiki, expecting it to give 0 results. Low and behold I had imported a page from wiktionary that YurikBot had edited :) [20:54:44] hi Aayush251 - please read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki [20:54:48] 03(mod) Open translatewiki tickets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44959 +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni) [20:54:58] sumanah: sorry, i can't do this right now because it's 2:30 a.m here in India . I will do that by tomorrow and will chat with you today's time [20:54:59] Aayush251: I suspect you mean "MediaWiki" and not "wikimedia"? [20:55:06] 03(mod) Filter page histories by user, or contributions by title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10788 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Rob Lanphier) [20:55:07] The flower lends itself quite well to silhouetting, though I dunno that I've ever seen anyone actually do a good job of it. [20:55:09] Vishal_: or you can email the mailing list, which would be better [20:55:16] Vishal_: that way more people have a chance to help you [20:55:17] ok [20:55:23] good luck Vishal_ [20:55:33] thanks! for your great time [20:55:35] bye [20:55:50] 03(mod) jQuery.IME extensions for Firefox and Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46647 +comment (10qgil) [20:56:04] sumanah yeah [20:56:07] 03(mod) Add "SPAM" as a deletion reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47573 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [20:56:15] wow, there's an imagerotate api module. When did that happen :) [20:56:20] Maybe I should get some sleep before I start working on that bug [20:56:21] haha [20:56:26] I lost connect [20:56:34] Aayush251: so you're asking how to install an extension so it's activated on your local MediaWiki installation? [20:56:47] Yeah and I did find how to [20:56:57] Aayush251: example: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#Download_instructions [20:57:24] Aayush251: you usually add certain lines to LocalSettings.php and each extension's README or mediawiki.org page should explain how [20:57:34] 03(mod) Audio player takes a long time to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47533 +comment (10sam) [20:58:30] Matrix_: it's ok, no one said anything to you while you were disconnected [20:59:08] 03(mod) Add "SPAM" as a deletion reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47573 +comment (10VictorPorton) [20:59:28] Matrix_: so, I have to go in a minute for a meeting. But overall I think you need to read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki to help you understand the differences among Wikimedia, Wikipedia, and MediaWiki, and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture to help you understand what MediaWiki can and cannot do [20:59:38] OPW is meant for something that can be accomplished in 3 months [21:00:05] Thanks Installed it :) [21:00:23] 03(mod) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 +comment (10sam) [21:00:34] Matrix_: if you want to understand MediaWiki, read those, and also read this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/304935 and consider trying an installation with vagrant -- yes, I know it won't be the installing-everything-from-scratch route right from the bare metal, but you can do that later [21:00:51] In the end, when I researched information I believed I could help. Therefore, after reading information I came here to figure our what project I would be best suited for contributing to, to help. [21:00:55] hey marktraceur [21:01:07] Hey Aayush251, what can I do for you? :) [21:01:14] can I reply you by email tomorrow? [21:01:19] Absolutely [21:01:20] Matrix_: I think you are best suited to something other than MediaWiki. [21:01:26] Its late and mom wants me to sleep haha [21:01:34] But go ahead and read the resources I have given you so you can think about that. [21:01:39] Aayush251: Understandable - sleep well and chat later :) [21:02:16] Thank you for your feedback and I will read those today. What would you suggest? [21:03:20] 03(mod) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 +comment (10sam) [21:03:39] Betacommand: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60571/ [21:04:26] Matrix_: I have already mentioned Open Technology Institute and Tor. Please look at those. [21:05:18] But frankly, Matrix_, I think you should simply write a clear proposal, on your blog, of what you want to do -- regardless of what technology you want to do in order to achieve it [21:05:23] and then go from there. [21:05:48] 03(mod) \cadenzaOn Lilypond command does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47536 +comment (10sam) [21:06:09] My apologies, I did not see those. However, I know you need to go. Thank you everyone for your time because I too have reading to complete. [21:06:29] 03(mod) Score extension should auto-categorize pages containing invalid input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47351 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:06:42] Good luck. [21:07:43] 03(mod) Open translatewiki tickets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44959 +comment (10jrobson) [21:08:22] 03(mod) Score needs better error differentiation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47571 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:08:22] 03(mod) Score extension should auto-categorize pages containing invalid input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47351 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:08:34] Night guys [21:08:38] 03(NEW) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; () [21:08:49] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3311 +comment (10qgil) [21:10:19] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:11:59] 03(mod) Include language variant conversion and transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37461 +comment (10Quim Gil) [21:12:10] 03(mod) Specify language fallback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36430 +comment (10Quim Gil) [21:16:04] 03(mod) Wikibooks/Wikisource needs means to associate separate pages with books - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15071 +comment (10qgil) [21:17:59] 03(mod) \cadenzaOn Lilypond command does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47536 +comment (10Peter Gervai (grin)) [21:18:49] 03(mod) $wgBookManagerNamespaces should default to $wgContentNamespaces instead of NS_MAIN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30994 +comment (10gerritadmin) [21:23:47] Krinkle: Any plans to add support for the new HTML5 input types in e.g. user preference hooks or form objects? Just reviewing a Nischayn22 change that could probably use an input type="range" [21:24:10] marktraceur: Html already supports it. [21:24:25] marktraceur: afaik it is Special:Preferences specifically stripping these [21:24:35] there is a change about it a few weeks back [21:24:37] I hadn't actually tried to add one [21:24:40] and a few months back [21:24:56] the problem is that our current browser support shows that these wouldn't work in many browsers [21:24:57] BUT [21:24:57] I was just wondering if this was planned [21:25:03] You seemed like the one to ask :) [21:25:19] the real problem is not that they wouldn't work (since they fallback to type=text naturally) [21:25:31] 03(mod) Use transparent images in Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47444 +comment (10Peter Gervai (grin)) [21:25:38] marktraceur: the problem is browsers that support it but in a very poor way user interface wise [21:26:00] marktraceur: For example Safari and Opera (not sure about latest versions) just block submission if the value is invalid [21:26:05] no message or anything [21:26:10] Hm. [21:26:35] so we'd need a polyfill that goes beyond black/white supports it / doesn't support it [21:26:47] but also take over and remove native if it isn't considered good enough [21:26:56] 03(mod) Page Link web or email bundling always show 1 other - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47179 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [21:27:00] marktraceur: note this is about HTML5 form validation [21:27:05] Right. [21:27:05] marktraceur: You were referring to custom input types [21:27:23] No, not custom - HTML5 has range and date natively [21:27:24] marktraceur: Closely related, but in the case of type=range there'd be a bigger problem [21:27:30] I think [21:27:32] sorry, that's what I meant [21:27:40] custom as in: not type=text [21:27:43] Ah. [21:28:02] ... bigger problem, since type=range doesn't degrade very well [21:28:04] like type=date [21:28:10] the format is ambiguous [21:28:20] should probably have a polyfill for those [21:28:53] things like 'number' or 'email' are very progressive enhancements (better keyboard on mobile, and validation of values on desktop) [21:29:03] but date and range are more complex [21:29:15] I'd be for it, but needs a suitable polyfill [21:29:18] no plans yet [21:29:28] but I'll support it. [21:29:50] Cool. [21:30:00] Krinkle: Thanks for the very thorough answer :) [21:30:07] yw [21:30:12] 03(mod) Upload Wizard: User preference for concurrent uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39607 -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Mark Holmquist) [21:30:15] 03(mod) Score needs better error differentiation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47571 +comment (10Peter Gervai (grin)) [21:30:23] 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [21:34:41] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10rkaldari) [21:35:49] Nischayn22: Happy $holiday, I'm merging your patches [21:36:40] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10rkaldari) [21:37:02] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should update the appearance of fields, not only their content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39929 +comment (10gerritadmin) [21:37:48] 03(NEW) Generating PDFs for books with more than one page fails horribly at pl.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47575 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; () [21:37:52] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should update the appearance of fields, not only their content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39929 +comment (10mtraceur) [21:37:56] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should update the appearance of fields, not only their content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39929 (10Mark Holmquist) [21:38:12] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10grin) [21:38:33] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 (10Peter Gervai (grin)) [21:38:45] 03(mod) Generating PDFs for books with more than one page fails horribly at pl.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47575 normal->major (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [21:38:46] 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [21:40:53] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3311 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [21:43:41] 03(mod) Slow user/user talk pages load on Commons with Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10rkaldari) [21:46:56] 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [21:47:17] Does Bugzilla seem to be getting slower for anyone else? [21:48:53] [23-Apr-2013 09:52:25] Catchable fatal error: Object of class ForeignDBFile could not be converted to string at /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf2/extensions/Score/Score.body.php on line 130 [21:49:04] * Aaron|home looks at Reedy [21:49:19] Someone already logged a bug [21:49:26] And I already attached a stacktrace to said bug [21:49:59] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47537 [21:53:21] I don't get http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body - is it deleted or not? [21:53:39] qgil: deleted, displaying the default text. [21:54:14] thanks MatmaRex . Thinking of improving the email new users get when confirming email... [21:54:52] Aaron|home: More amusingly, it's failing before it throws an exception for somethign else [21:57:13] qgil: Out of curiosity, do we know how many gsoc slots we have yet? [21:57:25] bawolff, May 8 [21:57:32] ok [22:00:35] @seen multichill [22:00:35] MatmaRex: Last time I saw multichill they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Gone N/A at 4/23/2013 9:04:20 PM (00:56:14.6367060 ago) [22:00:56] argh. [22:03:20] 03(NEW) Outdated README file in the tarball - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47576 trivial; openZIM: zimlib; () [22:04:20] 03(NEW) "test" repository in the tarball does not compile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47577 normal; openZIM: zimlib; () [22:14:28] 03(NEW) svg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Score; () [22:14:38] 03(mod) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 +comment (10gerritadmin) [22:18:02] 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925 (10dacuetu) [22:18:04] 03(mod) Support multi-page DjVu files in image galleries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8480 (10dacuetu) [22:20:24] 03(NEW) Parsoid: extension blocks not wrapped in a
    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47579 normal; Parsoid: JS/General; () [22:21:10] 03(mod) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:24:15] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 15enhancement->normal (10Umar) [22:24:20] 03(mod) PHP fatal error when override_midi is used and a Lilypond error is encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47537 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:28:25] 03(mod) svg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 +comment (10sam) [22:30:01] 03(mod) Add 'Retina' hi-dpi display support to Extension:Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47523 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:30:02] 03(mod) svg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:33:08] 03(mod) svg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 +comment (10sam) [22:34:01] 03(mod) svg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 +comment (10brion) [22:37:12] 03(mod) Rollback must suppress notifications for rollbacked edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46689 +comment (10rkaldari) [22:37:36] 03(mod) Mobile redirect strips https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35215 +comment (10Matt Walker) [22:37:37] 03(mod) Install "HTML-Tags" on de.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47566 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:37:41] 03(mod) Extensions awaiting code review to be deployed on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31235 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:39:46] 03(mod) Parsoid: extension blocks not wrapped in a
    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47579 (10Gabriel Wicke) [22:42:22] 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:44:02] 03(mod) Rollback must suppress notifications for rollbacked edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46689 +comment (10rkaldari) [22:46:44] 03(mod) Parsoid: extension blocks not wrapped in a
    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47579 +comment (10gerritadmin) [22:46:51] 03(mod) Rollback must suppress notifications for rollbacked edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46689 +comment (10rkaldari) [22:48:22] 03(NEW) "Prevent translations to languages other than the priority languages" should not prevent adding message documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47580 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; () [22:48:53] Does "internal_api_error_MWException: Exception Caught: Could not acquire 'arwiki:messages:ar:status' lock." look familiar to anyone? [22:49:16] Yup [22:49:37] Reedy: Cool, do you know what's going on with it? [22:50:15] I thought that bug was fixed [22:50:40] http://parsoid.wmflabs.org:8001/latestresult/ar/693 says no [22:50:49] !b 43516 [22:50:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43516 [22:51:48] 03(NEW) [Regression] API: paction=serialize returns status "success" when content is false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47581 critical; VisualEditor: General; () [22:52:17] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor API paction=serialize returns status "success" when content is false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47581 summary (10Krinkle) [22:54:22] 03(mod) MessageCache.php: Could not acquire lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43516 +comment (10Mark Holmquist) [22:54:24] Krenair: Thanks [22:54:46] 03(NEW) Category tooltip shows {{PAGENAME}} instead of the page name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47582 normal; MediaWiki: Categories; () [22:57:30] 03(mod) Integrate Redis JobQueue with Echo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46667 +comment (10rkaldari) [22:58:14] Hi, I left MW alone almost a year, today I upgrade and can't edit pages without the intrinsic wysiwyg horror; how can I recover the plain text edition? [22:58:35] Disable the extension [22:59:14] How can I disable it? [22:59:25] Remove the line that enables it from your localsettings [22:59:28] !localsettings [22:59:28] All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [22:59:44] ok thanks a lot :) [23:00:30] 03(mod) Parsoid: extension blocks not wrapped in a
    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47579 +patch-in-gerrit (10James Forrester) [23:01:58] 03(mod) Category tooltip shows {{PAGENAME}} instead of the page name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47582 +comment (10MZMcBride) [23:03:20] O_o won't work, except if I disable JS :( [23:03:35] 03(mod) Rollback must suppress notifications for rollbacked edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46689 +comment (10lwelling) [23:06:17] Jiff: What "wysiwyg" do you have installed? There are quite a few [23:06:36] Jiff: Did you see if it is compatible with the version of mediawiki you upgraded too? [23:07:06] Did it still not work after you disabled the extension with js enabled? Or was that a comment from before? [23:09:51] Krinkle: No extensions installed (/extensions says: WikiEditor, which I commented in LocalSettings.php) [23:10:13] Uncyclopedia has agreed to support MediaWiki by working on documentation translations. [23:10:35] ...be glad we'll never actually get around to it, because the chosen language... well... [23:10:40] It's a bit odd. [23:11:13] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor API paction=serialize returns status "success" when content is false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47581 (10James Forrester) [23:11:44] Krinkle: Yep, it goes on working after commented its line in LocalSettings.php but leaving JS enabled (browser cache was also wiped) [23:12:16] Jiff: What was on the line that you commented out? [23:16:11] Isarra, what chosen language? [23:16:24] RoanKattouw: ###require_once( "$IP/extensions/WikiEditor/WikiEditor.php" ); [23:16:38] Yeah that should do it [23:16:46] Are there any other lines where WikiEditor is included? [23:17:23] Also, did you try creating a brand new page? Does WikiEditor show up on the edit form if you do that? [23:17:23] RoanKattouw: None, I just check [23:17:54] RoanKattouw: I'm testing [23:18:24] Krenair: It's apparently called 'ratchet-ass bitch'. [23:18:30] ... [23:18:47] It? [23:18:55] The language. [23:19:02] Isarra: Link? [23:19:04] RoanKattouw: Yes, the editor appear :( [23:19:04] Do you speak it, Susan? [23:19:33] I have no link. [23:19:49] Aw. [23:19:52] I speak American. [23:19:54] And sass. [23:20:37] What is sass? [23:20:37] Jiff: That's very strange. Let's check you're editing the right version of LocalSettings.php. Please add die("Right one"); at the end of LocalSettings.php [23:20:42] It may be related. [23:20:43] And view any page on the wiki [23:20:44] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sass#English [23:20:58] But as lingo. [23:21:08] You should just see a completely blank page with "Right one". If you don't, you're editing the wrong LocalSettings.php, perhaps in the wrong directory [23:21:33] Isarra, ... so where is the information about this language? [23:21:47] and the translations? [23:21:54] I'm not sure. [23:22:18] 03(mod) Upload verification check broken. mp4 uploaded as .ogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39012 (10Emufarmers) [23:22:45] There may not be any as yet. o_O [23:23:57] RoanKattouw: I edited the LocalSetting.php that is on the root of my svr (/var/www/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php) [23:24:26] OK [23:24:44] If you add a die() call, or garbage, or syntax errors or whatever, does that have any effect on your wiki? [23:26:36] 03(mod) Integrate Redis JobQueue with Echo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46667 (10Luke Welling) [23:27:28] RoanKattouw: No changes, I added: call QSDFG(); as the last line [23:27:44] Sounds like you're editing the wrong file. [23:27:51] Yeah then the edits are not taking for whatever reason [23:27:58] And you're probably editing the wrong file [23:28:02] Where is index.php located? [23:29:08] RoanKattouw: at the site's root: /var/www/mediawiki/index.php [23:29:30] Ahhhh [23:30:12] That's odd, then that LocalSettings.php should be the one [23:30:17] For some reason your edits aren't working though [23:30:50] You should try to find other LocalSettings.php files in different directories then [23:31:53] How are you editing the file? [23:32:10] My guess is that you pulled off a copy locally and keep saving the changes locally. [23:32:56] RoanKattouw: nope, a find . "LocalSett*" only finds this one [23:37:28] RoanKattouw: What is strange is if I specify having the extended bar into the editor in preferences, it works (on and off) [23:37:50] So it shows the preference still? [23:37:55] It shouldn't even have that preference any more [23:38:05] If you go to Special:Version , you'll probably still see the WikiEditor extension listed there [23:38:11] Which would mean it's not actually disabled [23:38:47] Noting WikiEditor isn't a WYSIWYG editor [23:40:04] Reedy: Useful. [23:40:23] [23:58:14] Hi, I left MW alone almost a year, today I upgrade and can't edit pages without the intrinsic wysiwyg horror; how can I recover the plain text edition? [23:40:32] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 (10Umar) [23:41:32] RoanKattouw: Hmm, I suspect setup to be into my sqlite DB: there's a match for "WikiEditor" if I grep it [23:42:04] That seems unlikely [23:42:10] MW doesn't store any configuration in its database [23:42:22] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 (10Umar) [23:42:39] What you're looking at is probably cached resolved image paths or something [23:43:27] RoanKattouw: wait a sec, I test a skin change [23:43:43] 03(mod) morebots goes into an infinite loop of doing nothing after a connection reset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47275 +comment (10tstarling) [23:44:55] Hey. my mediawiki exists at tech.url.internal, but the script src is showing a different url when viewing the source of the Main_page [23:44:59] What would cause this? [23:45:03] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 (10Umar) [23:46:54] Doyle: $wgServer configuration in LocalSettings.php perhaps? [23:46:54] [23:47:16] 03(NEW) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47583 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; () [23:47:46] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47583 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [23:47:48] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 +comment (10krenair) [23:47:51] 03(NEW) Table with multiple class attributes gets the last one as canonical - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47584 normal; Parsoid: JS/General; () [23:49:46] ... [23:50:22] RoanKattouw: I changed the skin but no changes into LocalSettings.php (but the skin changes!?) [23:50:36] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 +comment (10Roan Kattouw) [23:50:46] Where did you change it? [23:51:18] Reedy: into the preferences screen [23:51:28] 03(mod) MobileFrontend extension should validate against W3C in Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31876 +comment (10Jon) [23:51:28] Right. That won't change LocalSettings.php [23:52:41] Anyway, don't bother, the important thing is I recovered the former behavior w/ JS off [23:52:59] 03(mod) Table with multiple class attributes gets the last one as canonical - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47584 +comment (10gwicke) [23:53:34] Have a good niay (or daight:), bye [23:54:28] 03(mod) Table with multiple class attributes gets the last one as canonical - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47584 normal->minor; +comment (10Mark Holmquist) [23:57:06] 03(mod) make section link larger - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43350 (10jidanni) [23:57:06] 03(mod) Do not provide one character wide links ("→") when whole sentence following is also relevant to be the same link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342 (10jidanni) [23:57:24] 03(mod) Install "HTML-Tags" on de.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47566 +comment (10csteipp) [23:57:40] 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578 +comment (10grin) [23:58:27] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTML_Tags/Implementing_LRMI#WikiEditor_changes [23:58:28] Scary [23:58:48] 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574 +comment (10umar.dagirov) [23:59:46] Reedy: my history follows me [23:59:54] You did that?