[00:16:52] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:17:41] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:21:36] Hola. Buenas Tardes, estoy comenzando a utilizar mediawiki y quisiera algunos orientaciones sobre esto [00:22:42] Ahhh [00:23:08] Javier_Lopez: I don't suppose you speak English [00:24:33] Thank you... Hello I'm begging to use MEDIAWIKI and I want to help for to began. [00:24:43] Sorry my english is bad [00:25:00] Javier_Lopez: Awesome. [00:25:22] Javier_Lopez: It's OK, it probably can't be worse than my Spanish - but anyway, what can I help with? [00:25:38] Javier_Lopez: And if you can't express something in English, I may be able to auto-translate from Spanish [00:27:27] thanks...so I need to help 'cause I need to create a book about Funtions of Calc [00:28:32] Right. [00:28:58] Javier_Lopez: A physical book, or a PDF, or something else? [00:29:43] I don't know in this moment [00:30:39] for this moment Im trying of create a doc in mediawiki as exemple [00:31:05] but I dont know to insert a image into [00:31:47] well I serch in the site but I dont have [00:31:49] Javier_Lopez: First, you need to upload the file - the page Special:Upload on your wiki should let you do that [00:31:54] anything [00:32:18] Javier_Lopez: Then use the name of the file (like Picture.jpg) to include it - [[File:Picture.jpg]] [00:32:40] is these... but i dont find where I can upload the file [00:33:12] Javier_Lopez: If your wiki's main page is at http://example.org/wiki/Main_Page, for example, go to http://example.org/wiki/Special:Upload [00:34:37] ok... I go to do... wait please [00:34:54] Great! I will wait :) [00:38:16] links redirects me to this http://www.iana.org/domains/example [00:38:33] Javier_Lopez: Can you give me a link to your wiki? [00:38:54] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Xavier.loos [00:39:09] I did the exemples [00:39:28] But i need add it images [00:39:30] Javier_Lopez: Oh, you're trying to do this on mediawiki.org [00:39:46] and all the funtion of the mediawiki [00:39:58] Javier_Lopez: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Upload [00:41:25] the page say [00:41:28] Errores de permisos [00:41:29] No tienes permiso para subir este archivo, por el siguiente motivo: [00:41:29] La acci�n que has solicitado est� restringida a los usuarios de uno de estos 3 grupos: Usuarios autoconfirmados, Administradores, Usuarios confirmados. [00:42:05] Permissions errors [00:42:05] You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason: [00:42:05] The action you have requested is limited to users in one of these 3 groups: Autoconfirmed Users, Administrators, Members confirmed. [00:45:30] ok... I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard&?withJS=MediaWiki:FileUploadWizard.js [00:46:27] Javier_Lopez: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard [00:46:29] Try that [00:46:30] but I dont understan why redirected me a wikipedia [00:46:52] Javier_Lopez: We can put your pictures on Commons, then include them on MediaWiki.org [00:48:58] I did it... I uploaded my images but I didn't can to insert into mediawiki [00:49:41] Javier_Lopez: Why not? [00:50:00] Javier_Lopez: Can you send me a link to an image you want to insert? [00:50:04] I dont know [00:50:58] yes, wait [00:55:49] 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690 +comment (10rkaldari) [00:57:00] Uh oh. Hope he comes back or figures it out. [01:02:53] 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690 +comment (10Steven Walling) [01:06:45] 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690 +comment (10b) [01:07:45] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10tomasz) [01:08:45] 03(mod) $wgContentHandlerUseDB should be set to false during the upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47271 +comment (10gerritadmin) [01:09:22] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10tomasz) [01:11:41] Hello... sorry but my computer was crashed [01:12:16] marktraceur: I have seen that there is a student that applied... did he contact you first? [01:12:56] Micru: No [01:13:06] Javier_Lopez: It's all right - I've put the image into the page [01:13:30] marktraceur: bad, bad... should I tell him to come over and work in a bug? [01:13:43] Micru: If you want to...I was gonna leave it up to him [01:13:51] 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690 +comment (10rkaldari) [01:13:51] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Xavier.loos [01:14:03] its are my images [01:14:09] Yup [01:14:17] marktraceur: ok, I'll drop him a line [01:14:20] Javier_Lopez: See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Xavier.loos [01:15:11] Micru: For my money if a student applies but doesn't talk to anyone in the community that's a problem [01:15:31] How do you did? [01:15:40] Javier_Lopez: Look at the source [01:16:07] [[File:Sidebar (Barra Lateral).PNG|thumb|La sidebar de OpenOffice 4.0.0]] [01:18:50] marktraceur: I see your point and I totally agree, but I think it is necessary to explain things to avoid creating bad feelings. Maybe it was a confusion, in my opinion the procedure is not totally clear [01:18:57] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413 +comment (10gerritadmin) [01:19:23] marktraceur thanks... look at this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Xavier.loos#Sidebar [01:19:44] Great :) [01:19:50] Javier_Lopez: I'm glad we could help! [01:20:01] Javier_Lopez: If you need more editing help you might try #wikipedia-es [01:20:18] Really I don't know why I didn't point you there at first [01:21:06] marktraceur Thank you.... very very thanks [01:21:37] marktraceur you has saved me [01:26:38] marktraceur: I left him a message, in any case you decide which student you prefer [01:27:59] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Link inspector crashes when trying to annotate first character in the document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47623 normal; VisualEditor: User Interface; () [01:28:03] Micru: Indeed [01:28:26] Micru: Maybe it won't come down to that, but yeah, the process is nowhere near over [01:28:47] 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 (10James Forrester) [01:30:13] marktraceur: in any case I like your approach of getting interested people to solve a bug first :) [01:31:19] Micru: It's a trick from OPW :) [01:31:30] In any case, it's good for them to have some experience [01:32:55] *nods* [01:35:03] marktraceur I need to installed wikimedia? [01:35:24] Javier_Lopez: Only if you want to run the software locally [01:35:39] Javier_Lopez: You probably don't need to just to play around with it, mediawiki.org is pretty good for that [01:35:40] ohh thanks [01:36:08] ahem testwiki and testwiki2 are for playing around [01:37:08] p858snake|l: I mean, he's basically trying to show what the format for a page would be - user pages on mw.org seems OK for that [01:37:33] Hey [01:37:56] Hey! [01:38:19] I'm still trying to make the UW fail [01:38:21] :( [01:38:31] Aayush|Away: Really? It's not usually that difficult. [01:38:34] so that I can see the feedback form [01:38:40] Ah. [01:38:47] Tell me then. [01:38:55] Aayush|Away: Try throwing an error somewhere in the main code [01:39:09] Aayush|Away: Like in the callback for when the "next" button is clicked [01:39:14] throw new Error(); [01:39:31] and marktraceur [01:39:51] is it fine if I also apply for a project I'm more interested in? [01:39:58] you won't mind righgt? [01:39:59] Aayush|Away: I would encourage it! [01:40:16] Thanks [01:40:55] And anyways I plan on sticking to you guys even after GSoC is over so I can still help you with this :) [01:41:06] marktraceur How can I change the name of the mediawiki (User talk:Xavier.loos)? [01:50:55] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link inspector crashes when trying to annotate first character in the document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47623 (10James Forrester) [01:51:02] marktraceur I don't play with this, is a documentation that my boss my ordered but I need learn more about this. [01:51:02] Before all I give you thanks for your help [01:51:34] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413 +comment (10James Forrester) [01:52:03] this documentation is about OpenOffice calc 4.0 sidebar [01:54:30] Javier_Lopez: To move the page, just take the text out of that page and put it into a new one [01:56:43] 03(mod) Parsoid: Numbered Cite blocks are not generated starting from 1 but from a (random?) other number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47513 (10ssastry) [01:58:42] thanks [02:04:29] liangent: Hi. [02:04:39] I see you read my memo. [02:05:39] Susan: yeah I saw it [02:23:54] 03(NEW) A non-working "WikiLove" tab is shown when JavaScript is not enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47624 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiLove; () [02:26:47] marktraceur Thank you for your help. [02:26:47] we are in contact [02:41:03] 03(NEW) WikiLove is having some stupid JavaScript code calling document.write? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47625 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiLove; () [02:53:21] 03(NEW) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TorBlock; () [02:57:02] are there "official" release candidate snapshots, or is it just "checkout latest from the branch till it's the release"? [02:59:06] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 +comment (10Liangent) [03:12:49] 03(mod) Show newlines as a visible line break in HTML of schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47592 +comment (10gerritadmin) [03:21:32] there's no extensions in the snapshot either [03:23:14] 03(mod) WikiLove is having some stupid JavaScript code calling document.write? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47625 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [03:23:14] 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [03:31:38] never mind, found it [03:34:47] 03(mod) isGettingStarted function returns true for account creations regardless of whether they were served GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47590 (10spage) [04:03:40] 03(mod) isGettingStarted function returns true for account creations regardless of whether they were served GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47590 (10spage) [04:04:33] 03(mod) isGettingStarted function returns true for account creations regardless of whether they were served GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47590 +comment (10gerritadmin) [04:58:59] 03(mod) badlogin CAPTCHA doesn't work in new login form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47371 +comment (10gerritadmin) [05:04:51] Hi. Can we update our applications for OPW? [05:18:35] anyone around? [05:20:05] hi Shaudius [05:20:35] hey [05:22:01] Shaudius: hey is there any problem ? [05:22:26] oh I just had a general wiki question but I think I may have solved it [05:23:22] Shaudius: ohh that is awesome :) [05:25:03] ugh, that didn't work [05:31:20] Is anyone associated with Proofread page extension around? [05:32:27] saper or Raymond? [05:35:48] Tpt: Hi! [05:36:26] I had a few questions. [05:38:03] 03(NEW) Use mediawiki.ui classes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47627 normal; MediaWiki extensions: GuidedTour; () [05:51:33] 03(mod) Error 'Unbalanced tag. Translation template: ' when page is too big - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47605 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [05:55:06] 03(mod) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace due to higher memory consumption after upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466 +comment (10thomaspt) [06:02:10] Is Raymond_ around? [06:22:55] 03(mod) Use mediawiki.ui classes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47627 +comment (10Steven Walling) [06:23:13] 03(mod) log database in s1-analytics-slave has charecter set utf8, while every other database has charset binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47368 +comment (10ori) [06:23:59] Rtdwivedi: not really. leaving a hotel now and a whole day with a client [06:24:42] Oh. Thanks! :-) [06:26:10] 03(mod) Error 'Unbalanced tag. Translation template: ' when page is too big - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47605 +comment (10carsten.schmitz.hh) [06:48:21] 03(mod) [TUX] Definition diff not shown if message is not fuzzy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47608 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:03:00] 03(mod) Error 'Unbalanced tag. Translation template: ' when page is too big - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47605 (10Siebrand) [07:23:17] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-vi' on all Vietnamese wikis and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45979 +comment (10Minh Nguyễn) [07:35:31] 03(NEW) Failed to deserialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47628 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; () [07:38:35] 03(NEW) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47629 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; () [08:02:04] 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47629 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:07:42] 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47629 +patch-in-gerrit (10Siebrand) [08:08:15] 03(mod) glusterfs log files are not rotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41104 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [08:13:05] 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47629 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:21:44] Would be cool if media wiki had a dev interface. [08:22:20] has a nice edit interface. but dev one would be cool , say for working on modules in place saving versions of it. [08:22:32] preview new php code etc. [08:23:04] php code? [08:23:19] module php code. [08:23:37] so you can have a nice work environment always setup. [08:23:45] PTIa to set one up each time. [08:23:46] i think that executing php code isn't possible [08:23:50] would be nice to have one in place. [08:24:04] well you would need a module for that. [08:24:11] but currently yes you are correct. [08:24:17] admin dev mode [08:24:18] 03(NEW) Web fonts are not disabled immediately - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47630 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [08:26:10] executing php isn't possible, because vandals will can destroy servers [08:26:29] Well you have to be admin to activate it. [08:26:49] and can keep login time and executions times of active sessions. [08:27:06] or the security issues, which is why it will never be on the main wmf cluster [08:27:19] you can also disable it for admin and re-enable it while admin , to add further security [08:27:42] there is a few extensions already that allow you to run php code on mw pages... [08:27:45] Just would make life easier. [08:28:15] woudl only allow to run it in iframe session not media wiki session would add sec. [08:28:40] Hi which call to API is used in upper right corner of Wikipedia to get the most likely pages begining with given string ? [08:28:58] 03(mod) Unable to Create a New Developer Account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46951 +comment (10anubhav914) [08:33:10] 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [08:34:42] 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [08:35:50] is it possible with "MediaWiki:Bad image list" to restrict certain images to certain namespaces? rather than just a certain file? [08:36:13] eg. just to main ns, and disallow in project ns [08:37:18] sDrewth: afaik no [08:37:25] k, thx [08:37:44] hmm, do I bump up my open bugzilla count [08:39:06] sDrewth: ? [08:45:52] p858snake|l: apologies rhetorical statement about whether I think I should request it in bugzilla [08:46:18] <- has lots of open requests and gets beaten about them in a jovial manner by Susan [08:46:31] - thinks too much [08:47:45] all the other bugzilla requests about image blocking from memory have all failed [08:47:50] to eventuate [08:49:13] and you object to this beating by Susan? [08:49:23] yes [08:49:34] too much pleasure for Susan is not a good thing [08:49:46] I don't think it would be a feature that would be used much, but if you desire it, go ahead and file [08:50:31] moved on already, not my wiki, others can fuss [08:59:41] 03(mod) Editing large (10k+) watchlist [Special:EditWatchlist but not /raw] fails with HTTP error 500 (fatal error, OOM) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39510 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:02:52] 03(mod) Image urls should have far future expires - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17577 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [09:06:25] 03(mod) update Precise image to get the latest patches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45617 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [09:10:11] 03(mod) Zuul should update submodules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43045 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [09:15:04] 03(mod) A non-working "WikiLove" tab is shown when JavaScript is not enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47624 normal->major (10Andre Klapper) [09:17:51] 03(mod) Unable to Create a New Developer Account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46951 (10Andre Klapper) [09:31:29] 03(mod) [Tablesorter] Headers with rowspan should be considered for all rows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38911 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [09:39:38] 03(mod) A non-working "WikiLove" tab is shown when JavaScript is not enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47624 +javascript (10Andre Klapper) [09:43:32] 03(mod) "Updated since last visit" markers should not be reset by viewing old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41759 +comment (10Michael M.) [09:48:15] 03(mod) WMF deployment config for Wikibase needs to be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47610 +ops (10Andre Klapper) [09:48:24] 03(NEW) Module invoke: Links not expanded? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47631 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Scribunto; () [09:48:46] 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612 (10Andre Klapper) [09:49:17] 03(NEW) Use case sensitive collation in wb_items_by_site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47632 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [09:49:20] 03(mod) Indenting staves causes the staff to be duplicated (works with raw="1") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47616 summary (10Andre Klapper) [09:51:10] 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612 +i18n (10p858snake) [09:55:22] 03(mod) Special:nearby doesn't work on desktop version of wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47598 +mobile; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:57:40] 03(mod) Hiding user of latest unflagged page revision causes it to become unreviewable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40599 summary (10Andre Klapper) [09:59:04] 03(mod) Error uploading file [via API] with underscore in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30924 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [09:59:33] 03(mod) [TUX] Split export functionality off of Special:Translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47072 summary (10Niklas Laxström) [10:00:06] Hi, I'm looking for a wiki that would have these functionnalities : keywords search, keywords tagging by page and access restriction on pages depending on the page. Do you know if mediawiki does it? [10:00:07] 03(mod) Using at the translatable subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46925 (10Niklas Laxström) [10:00:33] 03(mod) Move test.wikipedia.org from srv193 and make it a more "normal" test wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43722 +comment (10aklapper) [10:00:41] 03(mod) Update Translate Solr schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46840 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [10:02:20] 03(mod) Special:nearby doesn't work on desktop version of wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47598 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [10:05:23] 03(mod) Allow the "See also" field to accept PHP bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32504 +comment (10aklapper) [10:05:55] 03(mod) Upload by URL fails without giving any error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39507 +testme (10Andre Klapper) [10:08:19] 03(mod) Add script to rebuild translatable pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47286 (10Niklas Laxström) [10:08:40] 03(mod) [TUX] Group selector and language selector popups overlap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45699 (10Niklas Laxström) [10:09:38] 03(mod) formatNum doesn't default to the wiki's content language for formatting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44905 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [10:12:15] anyone who can help with git review bugs here? [10:17:28] 03(mod) Module invoke: Links not expanded? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47631 +comment (10Matt Walker) [10:18:43] 03(NEW) git review dies if non-utf8 text as commit subject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47633 major; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [10:20:39] 03(NEW) Installed non-compiled files should keep their original timestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47634 minor; openZIM: zimlib; () [10:27:58] lejocelyn: no [10:29:33] Nemo_bis: and just restric access depending on the account ? [10:30:06] !e Lockdown | lejocelyn [10:30:06] lejocelyn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown [10:30:13] !cms | lejocelyn [10:30:13] lejocelyn: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access. [10:45:04] 03(mod) Tab index sorting doesn't make sense - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29199 +comment (10rubendw) [10:59:25] 03(mod) User list includes MediaWiki:Viewprevnext without rendering markup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11454 +comment (10Andrey Kiselev) [11:04:41] okay [11:05:05] hello, can i do this? [11:06:51] !kick c boh, can I or cannot I [11:07:19] !!! [11:07:20] There is no such key, you probably want to try: !hss, !tss, [11:07:20] ! [11:07:21] ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain [11:07:21] ! [11:07:22] ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain [11:07:23] 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457 +comment (10krinklemail) [11:07:42] !botbrain [11:07:43] Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot [11:08:05] !botbrain hello [11:08:06] Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot [11:08:40] 03(NEW) Browser freezes when trying to edit translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635 critical; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [11:10:44] !vulnerability [11:10:44] If you believe you have found a security problem in MediaWiki or in one of Wikimedia's web sites, please contact security@wikimedia.org directly so we can prepare a bug fix release. [11:11:05] !webinspector [11:11:05] WebKit browser (Chrome, Safari) come with a console and debugger package built-in. Once enabled right click to Inspect and bring up the consoles. How to enable: http://mactips.info/2010/07/use-safari-5s-web-inspector | http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/webmasters-faq.html [11:13:09] i'm venjix, the most strong virus in the world [11:14:21] !access [11:14:21] For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [11:15:07] !hss [11:15:08] ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl [11:15:27] !tss [11:15:28] ZOMG!! http://goo.gl/e2631 (join #semantic-mediawiki) [11:24:37] 03(mod) DjVu files are prone to causing OOMs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47618 (10Andre Klapper) [11:29:35] ouch, split [11:35:31] 03(mod) Diff for outdated translations is broken, left side has whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46562 +comment (10federicoleva) [11:35:34] 03(NEW) Nearby link on wikivoyage that doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47636 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [11:36:32] 03(mod) Word-ending links do not work in or/hi, update linktrail rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36966 (10Andre Klapper) [11:37:09] 03(mod) Property values with a space in them do not work in ”not equal”-queries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31151 +comment (10Thibault Taillandier) [11:37:44] 03(mod) Warning alternates between default and specified warning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25086 +comment (10aklapper) [11:40:08] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:40:35] 03(mod) next/prev for All pages navigation differs between link and form method. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21969 +comment (10aklapper) [11:42:27] 03(mod) Categories marked for translation don't have anything translatable, page display title available only is there's another string to translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44867 +comment (10aklapper) [11:42:29] 03(mod) Gerrit can be bypassed obscuring code changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36927 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [11:42:44] 03(mod) Merge RenameUser into core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25482 +comment (10aklapper) [11:44:04] 03(mod) Firefox search bar not using Secure search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45765 +comment (10aklapper) [11:44:35] 03(mod) Recreation of renamed username should be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32647 +comment (10aklapper) [11:45:20] 03(mod) "Couldn't resolve host 'ms-fe.pmtpa.wmnet'" CloudFiles errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40514 +comment (10aklapper) [11:46:05] 03(mod) [TUX] Buttons to insert non-translatable parts like parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38350 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [11:47:02] 03(mod) SUL account recently created with no attached or unattached accounts, and undeletable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35792 +comment (10aklapper) [11:48:53] 03(mod) Wikibase throws localised exceptions in ErrorPageError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44111 +comment (10aklapper) [11:49:26] Good day, looking for support [11:50:01] hosting a wiki page, but lost rights to edit/add new pages [11:50:50] 03(mod) Enable the SQL box admin feature to allow OTRS admins to run SQL queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46439 +comment (10aklapper) [11:52:53] 03(mod) Transclusion: Section edit links linked improperly on the transcluding wiki page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38614 (10Andre Klapper) [11:53:46] 03(mod) ClickTracking: Don't use deprecated wfGenerateToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42054 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:55:23] 03(mod) Suggest to add WebFonts to Min-nan language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47190 +comment (10aklapper) [11:56:23] 03(mod) Mediawiki:Geshi.css imported multiple times - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26860 +comment (10aklapper) [11:56:41] 03(mod) Polygons not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47210 +comment (10aklapper) [11:57:15] 03(mod) Page deletions and blocks aren't showing up on watchlists on enwiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33591 (10Andre Klapper) [11:57:16] 03(mod) Delete and upload log does not show on watchlist on hu.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26549 (10Andre Klapper) [11:59:26] 03(mod) ext.math.mathjax throws null exception in IE10 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47192 +comment (10aklapper) [12:01:19] 03(mod) Do not show messages under Special:NewMessages for logged out users. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47222 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:02:25] 03(mod) Uploading just spins when 'enableFormData' set to 'false' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47175 summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:03:40] 03(mod) CodeEditor and the experimental "live preview" preference are not compatible. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47235 (10Andre Klapper) [12:05:10] 03(mod) Incorrect filter totals in cache; need to be purged in eqiad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46536 +comment (10aklapper) [12:05:34] 03(mod) Gerrit can be bypassed obscuring code changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36927 +comment (10Chad H.) [12:06:46] 03(mod) Error cloning remote repo 'origin' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47331 +comment (10aklapper) [12:08:07] 03(mod) Out of memory on High number of categories mediawikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46718 +comment (10aklapper) [12:08:42] 03(mod) Entries "vibrate" on Chrome by one pixel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47369 normal->minor; summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:09:37] 03(mod) Specific animated GIF with large number of frames has no thumbnails created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47409 summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:10:19] 03(mod) Use a dropdown menu for mass block reasons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41481 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:10:21] 03(mod) Enhance Blocking and tagging from checkuser interface: add dropdowns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22120 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:18:41] 03(mod) "Unable to compile LilyPond input file: Converting to PNG...GS exited with status: 9" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47534 (10picander78) [12:19:04] 03(mod) Custom repo name mapping for Gerrit/Git integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47274 (10Andre Klapper) [12:19:28] 03(mod) Wikidata specific tables in the dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44844 (10Andre Klapper) [12:21:19] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Port MW core changes back to 1.19.x, 1.20.x and 1.21.x series so VE can run on them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43898 +comment (10aklapper) [12:24:05] 03(mod) Browser freezes when trying to edit translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:30:21] 03(NEW) [TUX] Task/view selector (List/Page/Proofread) is not initially visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47637 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; () [12:38:53] 03(mod) Incorrect filter totals in cache; need to be purged in eqiad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46536 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [12:39:41] 03(mod) Unable to open activity log after adding note - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46996 (10Matthias Mullie) [12:40:17] 03(mod) highlighted feedback entry gets duplicated after moderation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46899 (10Matthias Mullie) [12:44:00] 03(mod) Special:nearby doesn't work on desktop version of wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47598 (10Andre Klapper) [12:46:16] 03(mod) Undefined offset: 634 in UniversalLanguageSelector/data/LanguageNameSearch.php on line 32 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45327 (10Niklas Laxström) [12:46:26] 03(mod) Undefined offset: 634 in UniversalLanguageSelector/data/LanguageNameSearch.php on line 32 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45327 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:49:23] 03(mod) On Special:Translate, top link should always go to the translation page you're editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47185 (10Niklas Laxström) [12:50:11] 03(mod) Translation page does not contain the latest translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46716 (10Niklas Laxström) [12:51:53] 03(mod) JavaScript error in ULS in getScript: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46841 +comment (10federicoleva) [12:52:55] 03(mod) JavaScript error in ULS in getScript: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46841 (10Nemo) [13:00:00] is the design ML on gmane or not? [13:03:33] 03(mod) Meta pages use non-existing meta.wikipedia.org/apple-touch-icon.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44680 +comment (10tomasz) [13:07:36] 03(mod) Toolbar icons overlap edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47506 (10filzstift) [13:08:09] 03(mod) Browser freezes when trying to edit translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635 (10Siebrand) [13:11:03] 03(NEW) Jenkins: Job failing due to .git/index.lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47638 critical; Wikimedia: Continuous integration; () [13:12:03] 03(NEW) Jenkins: Job mediawiki-core-qunit fails sometimes due to database being read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47639 normal; Wikimedia: Continuous integration; () [13:14:19] 03(mod) UW hangs on upload in some circumstances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47384 +comment (10zfilipin) [13:15:59] 03(mod) Favicon, apple-touch-icon links matching the defaults should not be sent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19392 +comment (10tomasz) [13:18:05] Is Tpt_ around? [13:18:18] Rtdwivedi: Yes [13:18:27] Hi! [13:19:36] Hi! I had a few questions regarding 'Refactoring of Proofread Page extension'. [13:20:04] 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612 +comment (10Dereckson) [13:20:21] Rtdwivedi: Yes? [13:20:48] The main aim is to split it into smaller parts in such a way that it can be integrated with Visual Editor. Isn't it? [13:21:06] 03(mod) Categories marked for translation don't have anything translatable, page display title available only is there's another string to translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44867 +comment (10Nemo) [13:22:13] Rtdwivedi: Not really. The main aim is to have a clean codebase that can be easily modified + yes, make things in order to be able to have as less code duplication as possible for the Visual Editor integration. [13:22:40] Example of code that can be shared: the zoom system. [13:24:29] Also don't we want to allow editing using visual editor? [13:24:34] Dereckson: "dck" doesn't make me think of Dereckson, BTW. [13:24:52] 03(mod) Please modify the MediaWiki:Group-centralnoticeadmin-member message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47613 +comment (10Dereckson) [13:25:11] Susan: DereCKson [13:25:27] That's much more of a stretch than DiCK. ;-) [13:25:59] Okay... [13:26:10] Rtdwivedi: Yes, I would be very nice. But I don't know if we'll have time in a summer. And you should be mentored for that by a member of the Visual Editor team. [13:27:23] Oh.. Making it compatible would also require a mentor from the Visual editor team? [13:27:40] Tpt_: hello [13:27:52] Dereckson: Hi! [13:27:54] Did you see bug 47596? [13:28:18] Dereckson: I'll look at it later today. [13:28:25] Okay. [13:30:25] Tpt_: Forgive me if I'm asking naive questions but what are the major problems in current code? [13:30:47] Rtdwivedi: Answer of your previous question: If by "Making it compatible " you mean only "make ProofreadPage more modular" not really but, in fact, it's maybe clever to plan the implementation of the Visual editing of page Pages before doing the refactoring. [13:31:29] Rtdwivedi: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage.git;a=blob;f=modules/ext.proofreadpage.page/ext.proofreadpage.page.js;h=c0ced3b868edba4056470d8591717e1fe312212d;hb=HEAD [13:32:11] A lot of things done here should be done in PHP [13:32:19] anomie, ping [13:32:29] yurik: pong [13:33:15] anomie, i will post a reply on the path_info (the biggest beneficiary is the ability to partition server farms - so that parser module can be ran on a separate cluster) [13:33:24] Rtdwivedi: and some features like the zoom system should be moved in separate component in order to be able to understand the most importants part of code easily. [13:33:25] 1. Split it into classes which do specific tasks so that one file doesn't have to do all the work. Is that fine? [13:33:38] Rtdwivedi: Yes. [13:33:41] anomie, do you have time to plan amsterdam? [13:34:20] yurik: Not at the moment, ping me again in half an hour or so. [13:34:42] anomie, sure thing, let me know when you have a moment [13:34:45] Tpt_: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46616 [13:35:16] Quim's comment lists a lot of things that have to be done. [13:36:11] Except last two points it doesn't have to work with Visual Editor. [13:38:31] Tpt_: After taking into account the points in the comment is there anything I am missing? [13:38:35] Rtdwivedi: Yes. But I think we should cleanly design code in order to make the VisualEditor integration more easy in the futur. [13:39:45] Rtdwivedi: I don't think so. [13:40:43] Is it unethical if I use Quim's comment to design the phases/timeline in my proposal? [13:42:45] Quim was only quoting what I've written. So, I can allow you to copy/past it and I do :-) . [13:44:41] 03(NEW) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [13:46:52] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 +comment (10yaron57) [13:47:29] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10michael) [13:50:51] * GorillaWarfare hugs the Extension:Score people [13:50:54] Morning everyone (at least where I'm at). Does anyone know if Watchlist email notifications should send even if the edit is very small (such as a few words)? [13:51:20] ckoerner: afaik, yes. [13:51:27] I have some users of a wiki I admin saying they aren't getting emails with very small edits (not minor edits, that's different). [13:51:59] Hmm, thanks MatmaRex. That's what I thought, and I couldn't find any documentation stating otherwise. [13:53:10] 03(NEW) FATAL ERROR: "Edit" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; () [13:53:21] 03(mod) git review dies if non-utf8 text as commit subject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47633 +comment (10brion) [14:00:58] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:01:33] Tpt_: still around? [14:01:58] Rtdwivedi: Yes [14:02:47] Can I base my proposal on the aims mentioned in the comment? I have a few more points. [14:03:45] I hope it's not an issue if I take help from Quim's comment. [14:03:50] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 +comment (10yaron57) [14:03:58] Rtdwivedi: Yes, of course :-) [14:04:16] 03(mod) Wikibase throws localised exceptions in ErrorPageError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44111 +comment (10Max Semenik) [14:04:32] Rtwivedi: No, it was here to help creation of proposals [14:04:35] Posting my proposal to GSoC and OPW then! :-) [14:04:44] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10krinklemail) [14:04:51] Rtdwivedi: Good! [14:04:55] GorillaWarfare: Hi! [14:05:03] Hi Tpt_ :) [14:06:09] 03(mod) CategoryTagCloud: Fix "Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 summary (10Krinkle) [14:08:33] 03(mod) Parsoid: Re-used refs contain unescaped HTML in attributes which causes issues in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 summary; +comment (10James Forrester) [14:15:38] hey [14:16:36] can someone help me on my wiki? [14:16:56] 03(mod) Update favicons to provide high res variant (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45036 +tracking; summary; +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:16:59] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:17:00] 03(mod) High-density display issues (tracking) xhdpi hdpi Retina high-resolution HiDPI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:17:06] 03(NEW) [TUX] Page view doesn't fit long page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47642 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; () [14:17:17] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 ; +comment (10jesus.perez) [14:17:20] can someone help me on my wiki??? [14:17:34] 03(mod) [TUX] Page view doesn't fit long page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47642 +comment (10federicoleva) [14:17:43] !ask | Teensy [14:17:44] Teensy: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. [14:18:31] how do I promote a wiki? [14:18:58] 03(mod) [TUX] Page view doesn't fit long page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47642 (10Nemo) [14:19:34] 03(mod) Jenkins: Jobs should not be affected by .git/index.lock of previous run - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47638 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [14:19:53] how do I promote a wiki? [14:20:05] Arrghhh, I am asking! [14:20:39] promote? [14:20:41] 03(NEW) FATAL ERROR: "edit" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47643 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SelectCategory; () [14:20:43] yes [14:20:49] I want to promote a wiki. [14:20:59] Teensy: What do you mean, like advertise it? [14:20:59] how do I do? [14:21:04] Yes. [14:21:55] My wiki is PT. My friends don't know about wikis. I want to promote to people. [14:21:57] 03(mod) CategoryTagCloud: Fix "Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 +comment (10jesus.perez) [14:22:00] Any way you want, I suppose... [14:22:09] My wiki is PT, but accept any language. [14:22:15] So, I want to promote. [14:22:17] well, this isn;t a mediawiki issue, so i can't really help you :) [14:22:34] Hmm... [14:23:02] Can someone help? Coming in private, please. [14:23:04] Teensy: I'm not really sure what you're looking for... MediaWiki provides the software to run the wiki -- promoting it really isn't our business. [14:23:18] GorillaWarfare: Okay. [14:23:59] GorillaWarfare: Have you a wiki? [14:24:46] Of my own, no. I edit Wikipedia, Wikisource, etc. [14:24:52] Hmm... [14:25:50] I did not need to learn from Wikipedia. [14:26:23] I taught myself. [14:26:29] Sorry, my english is bad. [14:26:52] 03(mod) Update upload.wikimedia.org favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46368 -easy +shell (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:26:52] 03(mod) Update favicons to provide high res variant (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45036 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:28:20] Hm. [14:28:32] * GorillaWarfare shrugs [14:28:38] yurik: ping [14:29:54] anomie, yep [14:30:34] 03(mod) Browser freezes when trying to edit translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635 +comment (10federicoleva) [14:31:19] 03(mod) IME icon is lost and browser freezes when trying to edit translation bordering the screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635 summary (10Nemo) [14:33:53] Hi Raylton [14:34:12] 03(mod) Update doxygen from 1.7.x to 1.8.x on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46771 +comment (10krinklemail) [14:34:46] anomie, so I am thinking of three areas we could concentrate on: 1) the changes proposed in RFC (new structure, cleanup, tokens, errors, etc) [14:34:57] Hi Molly! how are you? :) [14:34:58] 2 -- content api [14:35:03] I'm doing well, and you? [14:35:03] GorillaWarfare, [14:35:14] :) [14:35:19] fine! [14:35:23] anomie, 3 - restructure the entire MW to be layered architecture based on API :) [14:36:16] GorillaWarfare, Can I help? [14:36:52] No, just saying hello [14:37:29] GorillaWarfare: Somme comments/suggestions on your GSoC submission (as there is no magical solution, I may have wrong on some points and feel free to don't answer to a question): [14:37:31] 1) We should avoid as much duplication as possible so I think that the main page of books should be able to get data from the Index: pages. So, data like "scan format" will be, I think stored in the main page page of books. It'll be, I think, pretty easy if there is a "index" field in the main page and if index and main pages share the same storage system. [14:37:33] 2) We should, I think, try to have typed data (maybe based on types created for Wikidata) and allow to set more than 1 value to some fields (like author) [14:37:35] 3) tags has a feature that create automatically a header for pages with the header=1 parameter. It will be nice to have an easy way to migrate this feature to the new header system (maybe using a bot?) [14:37:37] 4) I think that user should be able to input "by hand" the TOC in order to allows use of custom design for each books. Some contributors are, I think, very attached to it. The toc of the books will be, in that case, guess from the links of the toc as Proofread Page does. [14:37:39] 5) Will the header append automatically to the pages, or will we have to use a template? [14:37:41] What about chapters in more than one books? [14:38:43] GorillaWarfare, ok, Good to see you! [14:38:59] 03(mod) CategoryTagCloud: Fix "Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [14:39:19] Tpt_: I'm not sure I understand #1... Are you suggesting changing the Index pages? [14:39:22] 03(NEW) [TUX] Yellow warning for non-priority language translation without reason is ugly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47644 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; () [14:40:47] GorillaWarfare: Yes and no: I suggest to make main pages to be able to get data from index pages and, if needed, I will do changes in index pages in order to use the same storage system. [14:40:57] ... as main pages. [14:41:02] Oh, I see. That makes sense. [14:41:19] Regarding #2, I agree that some fields should take more than 1 value. [14:41:33] Regarding #3, I'll look into the pages tag [14:41:44] yurik: Very ambitious, especially #3. Are you talking a presentation, or trying to get people to actually write code? [14:41:47] 03(mod) Enable Narayam on Urdu Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32515 (10urdu.text) [14:42:13] anomie, # 3 is a grand plan, to think about but not yet to act on [14:42:20] Regarding #4, I agree with you. I fully intend to make the auto TOC optional [14:42:38] lol [14:42:38] Regarding #5, that would be optional as well. I don't anticipate using a template. [14:42:56] And what do you mean about chapters in more than one book? [14:43:18] anomie, #wikimedia-dev ? [14:43:30] yurik: ok [14:43:33] I mean that a wiki page can (maybe) be included in more than one book. [14:43:50] 03(NEW) PageTriage: different timezone settings cause looping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47645 major; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; () [14:44:45] Tpt_: Hmm... I guess I haven't thought about it, to be honest [14:48:28] Did bugzilla just die? [14:49:42] 03(NEW) handling of link parameter a bit odd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47646 minor; MediaWiki: Parser; () [14:49:42] bawolff: nah, still kicking. [14:50:03] seems to work now [14:50:08] GorillaWarfare: I don't see any good solution: we should be able to put a chapter in more than one book but in that case, what to do for header? [14:50:09] 03(mod) co-ment-like tool for inline comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46440 +comment (10Quim Gil) [14:52:25] I was getting 500 errors for a bit there [14:52:39] Tpt_: What's the use case that you have in mind? Wikibooks? [14:53:02] 03(mod) [SelectCategoryTagCloud] FATAL ERROR: "edit" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47643 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [14:53:35] 03(mod) CategoryTagCloud: Fix "Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47641 +comment (10aklapper) [14:53:54] GorillaWarfare: For Wikisource books that are splited into volumes may have a main page for the book and a main page for each volume/main part. [14:54:37] Oh, I see. [14:54:40] 03(NEW) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47647 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [14:55:14] Perhaps in that case the header should be omitted [14:55:28] But I'll try to think of a better solution than that, as it's not optimal. [14:58:09] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 +comment (10yaron57) [14:59:05] GorillaWarfare: Thanks :-) [14:59:05] And a news: as there is a student for Proofread Page, I can't mentor you if her proposal is accepted for GSoC or for the Outreach Program for Women. [14:59:59] 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141 +comment (10MZMcBride) [15:02:04] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 summary; +comment (10Gabriel Wicke) [15:03:40] * GorillaWarfare nods [15:03:42] I did notice that [15:03:52] 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:04:00] As much as I'd love to have you as a mentor, I also want to see ProofreadPage get as many developers as possible :) [15:04:42] 03(mod) [SelectCategoryTagCloud] FATAL ERROR: "edit" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47643 +comment (10jesus.perez) [15:05:16] 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47647 (10MZMcBride) [15:06:09] 03(mod) Jenkins: Set up validation for puppet templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42377 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:08:25] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 +comment (10jesus.perez) [15:09:21] 03(NEW) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login screen inexplicably has "W" icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47648 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [15:10:17] 03(mod) Tab index sorting doesn't make sense - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29199 +easy (10Quim Gil) [15:11:25] 03(mod) Support multi-page DjVu files in image galleries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8480 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:11:42] 03(NEW) frame too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47649 normal; MediaWiki: File management; () [15:11:47] 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612 +comment (10yurik) [15:12:29] 03(mod) FATAL ERROR: "Edit with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47640 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [15:12:32] So my google-fu has thus far failed me. I've set up a instance of a wiki (1.19) and every thing seems to work, except the mailing of passwords. [15:12:38] GorillaWarfare: Thanks :-) [15:13:08] Is there a reference I can go through to check, or suggestions of things to try and find my missing configuration? [15:13:24] 03(mod) Support multi-page DjVu files and other image handler parameters in image galleries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8480 +patch-in-gerrit; summary; +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [15:13:32] Micru: ---^ [15:14:37] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Port MW core changes back to 1.19.x, 1.20.x and 1.21.x series so VE can run on them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43898 +comment (10mah) [15:16:27] 03(mod) JavaScript error in ULS in getScript: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46841 +comment (10amir.aharoni) [15:17:50] 03(NEW) Echo extension showing a "W" icon inexplicably next to user rights changes notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47650 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [15:17:53] 03(NEW) Honor $wgLegalTitleChars in wiki link targets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47651 normal; Parsoid: JS/tokenizer; () [15:18:00] hi Tpt_ [15:18:07] 03(mod) Honor $wgLegalTitleChars in wiki link targets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47651 (10Gabriel Wicke) [15:18:09] sumanah: Hi! [15:18:17] hi tjoneslo - when you look at logs, what's happening or failing to happen? [15:18:18] !debug [15:18:18] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [15:18:57] Tpt_: remind me, are you going to Wikimania? Proposal deadline is 30 April [15:19:21] 03(mod) Echo extension showing a "W" icon inexplicably next to user rights changes notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47650 +comment (10b) [15:19:23] sumanah: No, I won't. [15:20:10] I would like to get some family holidays at the same time. [15:20:28] tjoneslo: Does normal mailing work? [15:20:30] sumanah: I've looked at the apache log and seen no errors or other indication of failure. I've not looked at any other logs. [15:20:38] bawolff: Yes. [15:21:06] oh that's unusual. 99% of times when mailing fails it fails across the board [15:21:39] 03(mod) JavaScript error in ULS in getScript: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46841 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:22:21] bawolff: Yes. This is why I'm confused. I'll try more experiments with normal mail to prove it's all working correctly. [15:22:36] 03(mod) Jenkins: Set up validation for puppet templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42377 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:22:37] 03(mod) JavaScript error in ULS in getScript: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46841 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [15:23:18] 03(NEW) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [15:23:38] bawolff: I suspect its a PHP configuration. I set up a simple call to mail() in a php script. It doesn't error, but I get no mail either. [15:23:59] 03(mod) Echo extension showing a "W" icon inexplicably next to user rights changes notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47650 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:24:02] good luck tjoneslo that must be a bit frustrating [15:24:15] tjoneslo: To clarify, when you said normal mail, did you mean the system "mail" command, or other things in mediawiki like Special:Emailuser [15:24:58] yes, we use php's mail() command. If that's broken, the mailing won't work (There's an option to use an external smtp server if you can't get the mail command to work) [15:24:59] bawolff: the system configured web mail system works. Nothing in mediawiki appears to. [15:26:15] tjoneslo: If you have shell access to the webserver, does the command line unix mail program work (if its a unix server) [15:27:00] GorillaWarfare, [15:27:38] Raylton: Yes? [15:27:53] bawolff: It is a linux server. I do not have command line access (shared server). I'm 99% sure the smtp server on machine is up and running correctly. [15:28:08] GorillaWarfare, chapters in more than one books not seem to be a problem, if you have a list, then your items need not necessarily be part of the same book [15:28:49] tjoneslo: If you have info on the smtp setup, try setting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP in LocalSettings.php [15:29:36] bawolff: I do not have access to server at the moment. but I will try that. Thank you for the pointers. [15:29:41] tjoneslo, you can also try asking the hosting provider that they fix it [15:29:49] they are unlikley to fix a "mediawiki doesn't send emails" [15:29:58] 03(mod) Special:nearby doesn't work on desktop version of wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47598 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Jon) [15:30:01] but they could look the simple mail() test case [15:30:14] 03(mod) Echo extension showing a "W" icon inexplicably next to user rights changes notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47650 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:30:15] (they should, but not all hostings are serious...) [15:30:18] 03(mod) Honor $wgLegalTitleChars in wiki link targets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47651 +comment (10C. Scott Ananian) [15:30:31] 03(mod) Special:nearby doesn't work on desktop version of wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47598 +comment (10jrobson) [15:31:07] 03(mod) Echo extension showing a "W" icon inexplicably next to user rights changes notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47650 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:33:15] 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login screen inexplicably has "W" icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47648 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:33:59] 03(mod) Overhaul and standardize apple-touch-icons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27911 +comment (10tomasz) [15:35:01] 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141 +comment (10Jon) [15:37:21] 03(mod) Provide a plain linked data interface for accessing entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42063 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [15:37:24] 03(mod) Special:EntityData should support RDF output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44577 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [15:37:41] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [15:39:31] 03(mod) RDF serializer for entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44578 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [15:39:32] Raylton: What about generating headers? [15:40:47] 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:41:14] 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login screen inexplicably has "W" icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47648 +comment (10krenair) [15:41:29] 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login screen inexplicably has "W" icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47648 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [15:42:49] GorillaWarfare, excuse-me? [15:43:00] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10gwicke) [15:43:17] Tpt_ asked about the multiple-book thing because of its relation to auto-generating headers [15:45:25] GorillaWarfare, [15:45:28] if ( page is in the list) then [15:45:29] show header [15:47:41] 03(mod) Doxygen doesn't generate output for comments with @var declarations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34457 normal->minor; -upstream ; +comment (10Krinkle) [15:48:09] 03(mod) Provide a plain linked data interface for accessing entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42063 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [15:50:14] 03(mod) [Tablesorter] Headers with rowspan should be considered for all rows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38911 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:51:31] 03(mod) git review dies if non-utf8 text as commit subject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47633 +upstream (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:51:52] 03(mod) Jenkins: Set up validation for puppet templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42377 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:51:59] GorillaWarfare, makes sense? [15:52:02] bawolff: thanks a lot! I never imagined I would be able to see 8480 fixed in my lifetime :) [15:52:09] 03(mod) Give a reason for user rights notification change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47062 +comment (10b) [15:52:29] 03(mod) Update doxygen from 1.7.x to 1.8.x on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46771 +comment (10krinklemail) [15:53:30] Micru: Nagging people on irc does wonders :) [15:54:34] I think so [15:54:36] I'm still working through it :P [15:55:10] !b 8480 [15:55:10] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8480 [15:57:39] 03(mod) [SelectCategoryTagCloud] FATAL ERROR: "edit" page if "$wgSelectCategoryEnableSubpages = true" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47643 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [15:59:09] GorillaWarfare, fine! [16:00:44] Raylton_away: Raylton: just wanted to say hi and thank you for mentoring [16:01:37] What does a Jerkins Merge LOST mean (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60627/) [16:02:00] jenkins [16:02:02] i mean [16:02:35] hi physikerwelt_ [16:02:47] hi [16:02:51] sumanah, I say thank you :) [16:03:21] physikerwelt_: I have never seen that error before. hashar what does jenkins Merge LOST mean (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60627/)? [16:03:28] "mwext-Math-merge" [16:04:21] sumanah: usually it means the jenkins job could not be found [16:04:24] Raylton_away: By the way, did you add yourself to the "willing to mentor" list on the GSoC site? [16:04:38] GorillaWarfare: do you mean Melange or mediawiki.org ? [16:04:50] Melange [16:04:52] hashar: can I restart the action? [16:05:15] GorillaWarfare, i think so :) [16:05:20] physikerwelt_: post a message with CodeReview +2 :) [16:05:26] physikerwelt_: I can do it if you cant [16:05:46] physikerwelt_: done :) we will see what happens [16:06:05] nice bawolff [16:06:14] thanks [16:06:18] * sDrewth winds up the nagometer [16:06:21] ha [16:06:31] keep in mind the commit has not been reviewed yet [16:06:47] and puts in a splitter [16:06:55] physikerwelt_: that happens from time to time. Usually because jenkins is overloaded or the frontend proxy has too many connections :/ [16:07:11] Raylton_away: Great, thanks! [16:07:23] hashar: ok I din't want to break something [16:07:37] GorillaWarfare: good luck with the GSOC application [16:07:50] physikerwelt_: If at first the unit tests don't succede, try try again [16:08:15] Thanks, sDrewth [16:08:15] bawolff: they're nondeterministic? :) [16:08:17] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10James Forrester) [16:08:17] and the f**** stupid git is slow again [16:08:26] ok thank you very much [16:08:39] sumanah: Actually, they unfortunately are... [16:08:52] hashar: I resemble that [16:09:24] in particular the file backend lock test seems to fail at random on occasion [16:09:50] physikerwelt_: merged :-] [16:10:09] ok cool. [16:10:14] physikerwelt_: and I note that there is not unit test being run :/ [16:11:11] 03(mod) Using "frame" for images seems ignores the thumbnail size value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47649 normal->minor; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:11:23] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 (10James Forrester) [16:12:28] 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413 (10James Forrester) [16:12:48] hashar: unfortunately they are never run at the serverside [16:13:06] at least not for the math extension [16:13:06] 03(mod) Using "frame" for images seems ignores the thumbnail size value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47649 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:13:33] maybe I should anouce them somewere so that the server knows that there are unit tests [16:13:59] "dear server. Enclosed please find unit tests. No seriously. Love, physikerwelt_" [16:14:07] physikerwelt_: yeah I will handle that :-] [16:14:19] sumanah, hello [16:14:38] hashar: if you manged to do it let me know [16:15:15] hi Rahul21 [16:15:34] 03(NEW) wikimedia.de via HTTPS loads resources over HTTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47653 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [16:15:46] sumanah, Finally free , how have you been? [16:16:04] sumanah, have i missed out on anything recently ? [16:16:22] * sDrewth wonders if it is wrong to baby shake Toolserver [16:16:32] Rahul21: I'm okay! I'm glad to be helping lots of people who are getting into open source this month [16:17:10] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Port MW core changes back to 1.19.x, 1.20.x and 1.21.x series so VE can run on them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43898 +comment (10James Forrester) [16:17:20] Rahul21: You might like to read the last few editions of the Signpost's Tech Report, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-22/Technology_report [16:17:38] I had a question regarding OPW & GSoC. The web blog link asked in the application form can be unrelated to tech as well? [16:18:15] Rtdwivedi: If you have a nontechnical blog that you are comfortable showing us, then yes, please go ahead and share it. However, as part of OPW and probably as part of GSoC, we're going to ask you to blog regularly about your internship [16:18:24] so your blog will partly turn into a technical blog :) [16:18:37] also your skill at writing in English, in general, will contribute towards our decisions [16:19:30] I have mainly blogged on social issues related to women in India. [16:20:09] sumanah, i was working on my mini project titled "Forum Implementation" as a part of my college curriculum and had my term submissions [16:20:22] Yes, experience at Wikimedia is a good thing to blog about. :-) [16:20:40] 03(mod) wikimedia.de via HTTPS loads resources over HTTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47653 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [16:20:43] physikerwelt_: I am off for today but will get math unit tests enabled tomorrow. [16:20:51] physikerwelt_: I don't want to risk a mistake just before leaving :-] [16:21:33] Rtdwivedi: We also encourage you to add your blog to en.planet.wikimedia.org (Although in that case we prefer that you have some sort of tag setup so only mediawiki/wikimedia posts go to the aggreagator) [16:22:38] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:22:44] bawolff: currently there is no post regarding mediawiki/wikimedia on my blog. I'll write one and then add it to en.planet.wikimedia.org. [16:22:58] Cool :) [16:23:14] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-used refs wrongly expanded to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47417 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:23:36] hashar: For me it's just a nice to have. [16:23:44] 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652 (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [16:24:17] 03(mod) Wikidata SSL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41437 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:27:21] 03(mod) Using "frame" for images seems ignores the thumbnail size value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47649 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [16:30:37] 03(mod) git review dies if non-utf8 text as commit subject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47633 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [16:30:46] 03(mod) Parsoid: Numbered Cite blocks are not generated starting from 1 but from a (random?) other number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47513 +comment (10James Forrester) [16:30:59] Tpt_: Mailed my OPW application. :-) [16:35:23] bawolff, hello [16:35:29] Hi [16:40:05] bawolff, the gsoc melange form has a field IM network , what is mw's full network name? [16:40:08] 03(mod) Change the bot code so that it's possible to create #*.wmflabs channels too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37404 +comment (10aklapper) [16:40:26] Rahul21: you can say irc://chat.freenode.net/mediawiki [16:40:38] if it asks for a url [16:40:49] Or you can just say #mediawiki on freenode.net [16:41:39] question about the qunit tests, i have two that fail from the default suite because they call the API and expect a response of `[]` but they get '{"debugInfo":{...}}' [16:41:40] If you mention the word irc in some way or another, we will be able to figure out what you mean [16:43:02] 03(mod) Remove @ie6-bug, @ie7-bug and @ie8-bug tags from Jenkins jobs where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47550 (10Željko Filipin) [16:43:43] 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:44:11] 03(NEW) Tablesorter: colspan in buildHeaders is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47654 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; () [16:44:11] 03(mod) tablesorter (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31601 (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [16:44:23] 03(mod) Run accept_language.feature on Chrome and IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47548 +comment (10zfilipin) [16:45:15] 03(mod) shop.wikimedia.org should be HTTPS only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37790 +comment (10aklapper) [16:46:06] Tpt_: around? [16:46:28] Apparently it is not trivial to change the directory in which an installed MW resides? Changing the path in LocalSettings alone results in fail [16:47:08] . [16:47:28] 03(mod) mw:Bugzilla/Fields vs. Bugzilla's fields.html - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42524 (10Andre Klapper) [16:47:28] JeroenDeDauw: (i'm missing the context, but) are you sure it's not the caching keeping old links? [16:47:46] I'm not sure no [16:48:01] JeroenDeDauw: mv the files, adjust $wgScriptPath and/or $wgArticlePath, and presto, it should work [16:48:18] I did that [16:48:20] then run `php update.php`, which should purge all caches [16:48:51] 03(mod) Auto-login to other Wikimedia Foundation projects is funky (icons not always loading) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41610 +comment (10aklapper) [16:49:08] 03(mod) Create Selenium test for PDF generation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46224 +comment (10zfilipin) [16:49:27] JeroenDeDauw: What parts are failing, Is it still giving you old urls? [16:49:47] JeroenDeDauw: In theory editing LocalSettings.php should kill parser cache [16:49:58] Do you have file cache on (or varnish/squid) [16:50:17] 03(mod) news: URL protocol conflicts with News: namespace on de.wikivoyage.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41960 +comment (10aklapper) [16:51:13] Rtdwivedi: Yes. I haven't receive your mail. [16:51:55] Which mail? OPW proposal? Just a second. I'll forward it to you. [16:52:09] 03(NEW) Cleanup of Test backlog page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47655 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [16:52:52] Rtdwivedi: Oh. Sorry. I've understood that you send me the proposal. [16:53:27] 03(mod) Enable VisualEditor extension on test.wikipedia.org and test2.wikipedia.org for all namespaces; for NS0 and NS2 on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43018 +comment (10aklapper) [16:55:29] 03(mod) Cleanup of Test backlog page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47655 (10Željko Filipin) [16:55:33] 03(NEW) Publish the Wikibase ontology file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47656 normal; Wikimedia: Wikidata; () [16:56:36] 03(NEW) Refactor pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47657 normal; Wikimedia: Quality Assurance; () [16:56:42] 03(mod) Refactor pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47657 (10Željko Filipin) [16:56:48] Tpt_: This https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Proofread_Page_extension_needs_to_be_refactored says that one of the goals is integration with VisualEditor. [16:57:26] So, we'll just make changes that will make it easier for people to integrate the two? [16:57:42] 03(mod) news: URL protocol conflicts with News: namespace on de.wikivoyage.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41960 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [16:57:56] 03(mod) Create "Data Commons" or "Wikidata" project (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30345 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:59:12] Rtdwivedi: I don't know. It depends on how much time we took to refactor the current code. The idea is that if we have time we works on visual editing and if not we don't. [17:00:28] Oh.. Thank you. [17:00:57] 03(NEW) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Thanks; () [17:02:09] 03(mod) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658 +comment (10b) [17:02:39] 03(mod) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658 +comment (10b) [17:03:59] 03(mod) Move Git conversion issues from wiki pages & mailing list into BZ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [17:04:14] does anyone understand how to use to order a list of internal links by last modified on top with their dates beside them [17:04:55] 03(mod) Checkuser rights not being correctly applied on test.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41772 -testme (10Andre Klapper) [17:05:08] I dont understand how you make it use a list [17:05:27] ori-l, ping [17:05:27] 03(mod) Publish the Wikibase ontology file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47656 +comment (10denny.vrandecic) [17:05:27] NoSu010: Generally that extension gets better support at http://mediawiki.org/wiki/extension_talk:DynamicPageList_(third-party) [17:05:34] * bawolff only knows about the Wikimedia version of that extension [17:07:20] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Deploy to the Hebrew Wikipedia as an opt-in for testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45749 +comment (10James Forrester) [17:08:31] bawolff http://unlab.ca/w/Project_Ideas [17:08:41] this is what I was trying to do [17:09:00] I dont understand how to feed the list of items into it [17:09:21] the documentation confuses me pretty bad [17:10:32] I put the code in a 
 at the top as it was just puking errors as I not sure how to feed it a list
[17:12:17] 	 You generally don't feed it a list, but use dpl to generate a list from somewhere else
[17:12:30] * bawolff  really isn't familar enough with the third party dpl to give help for it
[17:13:03] 	 I just read, that the visual editor is deployed in dewiki... how do I actiavate it?
[17:13:24] 	 lbenedix: Preferences -> Editing -> the very last option at the bottom
[17:13:30] 	 :(
[17:13:54] 	   nice
[17:13:57] 	 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login screen inexplicably has "W" icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47648  +comment (10jrobson)
[17:14:18] 	 03(mod) Change the bot code so that it's possible to create #*.wmflabs channels too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37404  +comment (10bugzilla+org.wikimedia)
[17:14:48] 	 so do you I would make the list on another page then on that page I feed it the page name or something
[17:14:49] 	 03(NEW) WikiCategoryTagCloud Extension: Undefined index: linkstyle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47659 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; ()
[17:16:04] 	 03(mod) Installations of Scribunto extension (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44625  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:16:48] 	 NoSu010: In the original DynamicPageList, you put the articles all in a category, and then got a list of them using the category option
[17:17:16] 	 lol, special:import is so broken
[17:17:27] 	 If I was a user, I'd have given up after this amount of errors
[17:17:30] 	 >_>
[17:17:57] 	 NoSu010: Like in https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:South_Africa&action=edit
[17:18:48] 	 I guess I would have to understand how to use a category
[17:19:05] 	 Just put [[Category:Name of Category]] on the article
[17:19:17] 	 and then it will appear in the page named "Category:Name of Category"
[17:19:33] 	 NoSu010: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[17:19:46] 	 bawolff ok I will try that thank you.
[17:19:59] 	 Good luck
[17:20:14] 	 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:20:17] 	 ******
[17:20:34] 	 ** ****
[17:20:56] 	 03(NEW) Expands all tree - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47660 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; ()
[17:21:12] 	 03(mod) Enable translation import on wikis with Translate extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40341  +comment (10aklapper)
[17:22:29] 	 03(mod) Current version being displayed as old revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44661  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:23:02] 	 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:24:27] 	 03(mod) Move Git conversion issues from wiki pages & mailing list into BZ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:24:44] 	 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141  +comment (10jrobson)
[17:25:55] 	 03(mod) Run refreshImageMetadata.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30961  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:30:30] 	 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141  +comment (10mpinchuk)
[17:33:00] 	 yurik: hey
[17:33:45] 	 hi ori-l , when you have a moment (I know, its almost impossible :)) - could you take a look at the https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60775/
[17:34:00] 	 03(mod) Add a link on the client when a Wikidata item exists, even when no other interwiki is already defined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46229  +comment (10Mikko Silvonen)
[17:35:34] 	 yurik: yep, I saw it, but it'll take me a day or two
[17:35:48] 	 I'm a bit behind at the moment
[17:35:55] 	 ori-l, thx! no need to merge, just a few comments would do :)
[17:35:59] 	 03(mod) IME icon is lost and browser freezes when trying to edit translation bordering the screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47635  +comment (10federicoleva)
[17:36:03] 	 any mentor for GSOC here...
[17:36:48] 	 03(mod) 'Name of wiki' field accepts 'MediaWiki' and '#' as the inputs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26720  +comment (10Chad H.)
[17:37:12] 	 Micru: Got an email from nazmul, says he's on it...told him to come on IRC too
[17:38:30] 	 I mailed at wikitech two days ago but none answered.
[17:40:31] 	 marktraceur: at least he sent you an email and not the commit :D
[17:40:49] 	 Micru: I would have been fine with either
[17:40:57] 	 Vishal_: Hi, what do you need?
[17:42:46] 	 marktraceur: i need an answer which none have answered directly till now.... 
[17:43:42] 	 03(mod) Document JavaScript code in javascripts/common - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44127  normal->15enhancement (10Jon)
[17:43:44] 	 Vishal_: Ask the question, then
[17:44:09] 	 03(mod) "Donate Image" button shows on Windows Phone 8 (mobile IE 10), but does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47374  (10Jon)
[17:44:23] 	 Hey guys
[17:44:36] 	 marktraceur: i am wishing to propose my project for GSOC which needs wikipedia actually it's about wikipedia. I hope to know is there any chance it will be considered or Wikimedia don't take projects for wikipedia as GSOC as hinted on their ideas page
[17:45:22] 	 Vishal_: Let me look at your idea.
[17:46:37] 	 marktraceur: it will be my pleasue but please answer  yes or no at end...
[17:46:50] 	 Maybe. I may not be the person who can decide that.
[17:47:31] 	 Vishal_: Where is your user page?
[17:47:50] 	 You posted to wikitech but forgot to include a link, which is partly why we haven't answered you
[17:48:12] 	 Vishal: I think mediawiki takes project for GSoC which are about Wikipedia
[17:48:25] 	 marktraceur: ok, i am sorry and just give me a minute
[17:48:29] 	 It's all right
[17:48:43] 	 Vishal_ : I think mediawiki takes project for GSoC which are about Wikipedia
[17:49:01] 	 anubhav: It depends - let's see what the project is
[17:49:23] 	 Yes it does, as it with other projects. 
[17:49:55] 	 But I meant to say that if the project is about wikipedia that's not a reason mediawiki won't select it for GSoC. 
[17:50:48] 	 marktraceur: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Making-it-yours Caution: it's poorly formatted and incomplete and i am guilty for that 
[17:51:13] 	 That's OK :)
[17:52:06] 	 03(mod) Update checkStorage.php to not use deprecated Revision::getText - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44357  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:53:22] 	 Vishal_: OK, I think you may want to talk to jorm about some of this - I don't know if he's mentoring, or if he already has other students on the line, but it seems like the sort of thing he'd want to weigh in on
[17:53:43] 	 03(mod) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658  +comment (10rkaldari)
[17:53:45] 	 You know, if he has time
[17:56:05] 	 03(mod) Update checkStorage.php to not use deprecated Revision::getText - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44357  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[17:56:27] 	 03(mod) Undo of initial approve needs does not return the page to the pristine, non-reviewed state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43966  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[17:56:54] 	 marhtraceur: Thanks! but you too can say if you wish to mention
[17:57:14] 	 Vishal_: My first impression is that it might be a little more than we want to change
[17:57:43] 	 03(mod) Update doxygen from 1.7.x to 1.8.x on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46771  +comment (10lcarr)
[17:57:44] 	 Vishal_: But some of the bits are just exposing existing functionality in a more user-friendly manner, which is something we might want to do
[17:59:22] 	 marktraceur: do you know it includes a lot more but i didn't included it in my proposal because everyone turned me down by saying it's too ambitious...
[18:00:01] 	 Vishal_: Indeed :)
[18:00:22] 	 Vishal_: You might want to reframe it in terms of what you want to change in MediaWiki, as opposed to Wikipedia specifically
[18:00:35] 	 Vishal_: e.g. making customizing the interface a lot easier, somehow
[18:00:40] 	 03(mod) Create Selenium test for PDF generation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46224  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:01:07] 	 Vishal_: I think you should edit your Deliverables. Deliverables are project milestones that you wish to achieve. Time line is added under a different heading Project Schedule
[18:03:11] 	 BZ: no more "Zarro Boogs found", now "Zero reports found"
[18:03:20] 	 anubhav: thanks! for watching it. I certainly will .
[18:05:51] 	 03(mod) Publish the Wikibase ontology file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47656   +ops (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:07:32] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Deploy to the Hebrew Wikipedia as an opt-in for testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45749  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:13:46] 	 bawolff thanks figured it out http://unlab.ca/w/Ongoing_Projects
[18:16:23] 	 03(mod) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658  +comment (10b)
[18:16:51] 	 now I just need to figure out how to escape the date/time from the url
[18:17:31] 	 03(NEW) CR vs V order is inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47661 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; ()
[18:19:14] 	 03(NEW) override system notification icons for wikipedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47662 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[18:19:40] 	 03(mod) override system notification icons for wikipedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47662  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[18:19:41] 	 03(mod) Bugs that should be fixed before deploying Echo to en.wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43833  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[18:20:41] 	 THere we goes! w00t
[18:20:52] 	 03(mod) meta.m.wikimedia.org user login doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47647  normal->major (10MZMcBride)
[18:20:55] 	 03(mod) CR vs V order is inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47661  +comment (10Chad H.)
[18:20:57] 	 03(mod) gerrit: swap CR / V columns in dashboard view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45038  +comment (10Chad H.)
[18:26:54] 	 Platonides, andre__, good luck. We're all counting on you.
[18:30:14] 	 mutante: die.
[18:30:25] 	 Zarro Boogs was so cool :-(
[18:30:29] 	 hate you now
[18:31:03] 	 03(mod) Thanks workflow needs further thought - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47658  +comment (10rkaldari)
[18:31:09] 	 odder: don't blame me. i did not merge it
[18:32:03] 	 i'm the deployer / messenger 
[18:32:25] 	 hey, mutante, you deployer, you.
[18:32:27] 	 ah. I see. You are mourning the change, too. Sob.
[18:32:28] 	 why is wikibugs still here.
[18:32:30] 	 D:
[18:34:31] 	 long live wikibugs
[18:34:48] 	 I have a question
[18:34:49] 	 does somebody know here how to disable some options in [[special:preferences]] by default?
[18:35:09] 	 is a bug required?
[18:35:16] 	 !man $wgDefaultUserOptions | Vogone
[18:35:16] 	 Vogone: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions
[18:35:23] 	 !wg HiddenPrefs | Vogone
[18:35:24] 	 Vogone: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHiddenPrefs
[18:35:35] 	 Bam
[18:35:42] 	 :D
[18:35:44] 	 ah, thank you
[18:36:31] 	 so indeed a bug in bugzilla is required
[18:36:39] 	 for WMF wikis
[18:37:00] 	 yes
[18:38:58] 	 and how do I find out what the name of an option is? :P
[18:39:08] 	 What exactly do you need changing?
[18:39:19] 	 Vogone: i think they're sort of documented somewhere
[18:39:24] 	 !preferences
[18:39:24] 	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !deleteuser, !externaleditor, !MediaWiki:badsig, !MediaWiki:datedefault, !MediaWiki:emailauthenticated, !MediaWiki:localtime, !MediaWiki:mypreferences, !MediaWiki:oldpassword, !MediaWiki:personaltools, !MediaWiki:preferences, !MediaWiki:prefs-common-css-js, !MediaWiki:prefs-edits, !MediaWiki:prefs-help-realname, !MediaWiki:prefs-i18n, !MediaWiki:prefs-info, !MediaWiki:prefs-misc, !MediaWiki:prefs-rc, !MediaWiki:prefs-resetpass, !MediaWiki:prefs-skin, !MediaWiki:prefs-textboxsize, !MediaWiki:prefs-watchlist, !MediaWiki:qbmyoptions, !MediaWiki:qbsettings-fixedleft, !MediaWiki:qbsettings-fixedright, !MediaWiki:qbsettings-floatingleft, !MediaWiki:qbsettings-floatingright, !MediaWiki:resetprefs, !MediaWiki:savedprefs, !MediaWiki:saveprefs, !MediaWiki:searchresultshead, !MediaWiki:servertime, !MediaWiki:siteuser, !MediaWiki:skin-preview, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-africa, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-america, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-antarctica, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-arctic, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-asia, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-atlantic, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-australia, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-europe, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-indian, !MediaWiki:timezoneregion-pacific, !MediaWiki:timezoneuseoffset, !MediaWiki:tog-fancysig, !MediaWiki:tooltip-preferences-save, !MediaWiki:tooltip-pt-preferences, !MediaWiki:yourname, !MediaWiki:yourpassword, !MediaWiki:yourpasswordagain, !prefsrant, 
[18:39:28] 	 ughhh
[18:39:43] 	 odder: on hewikivoyage the last option in https://he.wikivoyage.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93:%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%AA#mw-prefsection-misc
[18:39:46] 	 yes, at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions#Available_preferences
[18:39:48] 	 but yeah, "what do you want" is a good question.
[18:40:21] 	 Vogone: you want that set to false?
[18:40:23] 	 Vogone: that's part of some extension you have enabled
[18:40:55] 	 odder: yep
[18:41:17] 	 well, not me … actually the community wants that :P
[18:41:24] 	 I'm using the vagrant setup for mediawiki from gerrit/r/mediawiki/vagrant and its exceptionally slow(10-15s to fetch Main_Page from the default install).  Any ideas what i should look into to fix?  Machine is quad i7 w/8G.  The virtual machine is setup for 1 core and 1G mem,  any suggestions on how to make it not so slow?
[18:41:45] 	 03(mod) Zeroadmin rights deployed at Meta-Wiki without the associated MediaWiki messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47612  +comment (10maurelio)
[18:43:19] 	 Vogone: as in, on by default, or on for everyone?
[18:43:53] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TocTree is the one you use, Vogone
[18:44:07] 	 03(mod) Create Selenium test for PDF generation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46224  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:44:10] 	 03(mod) on he.wikivoyage TOC are on the left instead of right as you would expect in RTL wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46864  +comment (10eikes)
[18:44:38] 	 odder: see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46864#c6
[18:44:49] 	 (eikes is me)
[18:44:55] 	 the CSS works fine
[18:45:50] 	 the option in the preferences is actually preventing that the TOC shows up at the top of the page
[18:46:50] 	 03(mod) Firefox search bar not using Secure search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45765  +comment (10rlane32)
[18:47:05] 	 $wgDefaultUserOptions['toc-floated'] = true;
[18:47:24] 	 who uses that, anyway?
[18:47:47] * Vogone  shrugs
[18:47:52] 	 03(mod) news: URL protocol conflicts with News: namespace on de.wikivoyage.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41960  +comment (10krenair)
[18:48:16] 	 Well, that was probably a badly asked question, because the answer is: Wikivoyage
[18:48:32] 	 What I wanted to ask is: Why are you using this in the first place? :)
[18:48:48] 	 I don't use Wikivoyage :P
[18:52:16] 	 I just came in touch which the issue after I was asked to modify the Common.css (as they have no local sysops)
[18:52:16] 	 *with
[18:53:06] 	 odder: so, what do you think makes more sense? removing the extension or disabling the option in the preferences + CSS
[18:55:44] 	 Well, I think I know what the extension does, but I am not sure why Wikivoyage is using it.
[18:56:02] 	 anomie, re langlinks, weren't we planning to add the "source" column to langlinks table?
[18:56:17] 	 yurik: Guess they decided not to
[18:56:28] 	 anomie, they?
[18:57:17] 	 actually, switiching to #wikimedia-wikidata
[18:57:42] 	 yurik: I don't know who exactly "they" includes, but yes.
[18:57:47] 	 Vogone: removing the extension would mean that there will be no "tree" option in TOC, while disabling that option would just get rid of the floating problem while keeping the tree option
[18:58:01] 	 while disabling that option in preferences*
[18:59:19] 	 Amgine_, hello
[19:01:08] 	 odder: could you commit a gerrit change for the latter option then, plese?
[19:01:12] 	 *please
[19:03:33] 	 03(mod) on he.wikivoyage TOC are on the left instead of right as you would expect in RTL wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46864  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[19:06:06] 	 anyone else using the vagrant setup for mediawiki from gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vagarnt?  Basically its running very slow(as verified by next desk over, who runs it on bare metal) taking 10-15s to render Main_Page.  Where should i start looking for reasons?
[19:06:19] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration in production should not ignoreHidden on user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42936  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[19:07:42] 	 03(NEW) Wikibase\SiteLinkTable::saveLinksOfItem deadlocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47663 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[19:11:18] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration in production should not ignoreHidden on user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42936  normal->trivial (10James Forrester)
[19:13:17] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[19:13:19] 	 03(mod) Bugs that should be fixed before deploying Echo to en.wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43833  (10MZMcBride)
[19:14:34] 	 Rahul21: Hello
[19:15:48] 	 anomie, was looking at the code, seems like wikibase is doing a hook approach, which might work good for the individual page, but not for the complex querying
[19:16:23] 	 plus at some point we might decide to move categories in that direction too
[19:16:31] 	 so this should be a more generic approach IMO
[19:16:42] 	 03(NEW) When resubscribing to a notification type, it might add a lot of old unread notifications to your archive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47664 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[19:17:40] 	 anomie, from the APIs perspective, there are 3 patterns: get langlinks for a pageset, get all langlinks, and get pages using a specific langlink
[19:18:34] 	 plus there might be some filtering by other modules (pages with no links, etc). So i wonder how they want to handle SQL-like behavior for all these cases
[19:18:46] 	 aude, ^^
[19:20:11] 	 Amgine_: Look what I just found http://documentcloud.github.io/visualsearch/ ;) I'm thinking that would work beautifully in Gareth when search/filter is implemented.
[19:20:26] 	 
[19:20:50] 	 Stupid buggy irc client
[19:21:19] 	 heh
[19:21:22] 	 ;) the message went through... but it isn't present from my perspective
[19:21:28] 	 It
[19:21:32] 	 It's as if I never sent it.
[19:22:49] 	 It's very intriguing...
[19:23:59] 	 I like the ability to subtract elements from the search, but it'd be nice if there were an equally visually oriented method of adding 'facets'
[19:24:22] 	 ^_^ Looks like I won't have to implement something like that myself.
[19:26:32] 	 Does Gerrit still break external links?
[19:28:59] 	 Amgine_: Well, the kind of search Gerrit and Gareth do are quite 'facet' oriented.
[19:29:37] 	 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413  +comment (10James Forrester)
[19:29:42] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652  +comment (10fflorin)
[19:29:57] 	 Yep. A nice tool to add specific facets to the search text would be useful, but not required.
[19:32:02] 	 Q: Does Gerrit still break external links? A: It does.
[19:32:24] 	 
[19:34:02] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[19:41:14] 	 03(NEW) Echo notifications should have a larger clickable surface area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47665 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[19:43:38] 	 03(mod) Home screen icon needs love - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45025  +comment (10Maryana Pinchuk)
[19:47:27] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652  +comment (10vbamba)
[19:49:05] 	 Vogone: I commented on the bug for now, but sure, I can commit a change later on
[19:49:56] 	 WordPress & OpenStack are now participating in OPW :-) cool, more stuff we'll benefit from
[19:50:15] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications should have a larger clickable surface area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47665  +comment (10b)
[19:51:19] 	 odder: ty :)
[19:52:59] 	 03(mod) Undo of initial approve needs does not return the page to the pristine, non-reviewed state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43966  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[19:54:31] 	 03(mod) Cannot submit review form with enter from the reason field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42295  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[19:54:36] 	 03(mod) User list includes MediaWiki:Viewprevnext without rendering markup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11454  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[19:57:31] 	 03(mod) current time as revision time of first revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46630  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[19:57:57] 	 03(mod) [Regression] VisualEditor: Link tool produces "undefined" in normal use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47413  +comment (10James Forrester)
[20:04:16] 	 03(mod) User can mark as being reviewed even though they cannot accept it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45628  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[20:04:32] 	 03(NEW) All system messages should have sender=-1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47666 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[20:13:30] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration in production should not ignoreHidden on user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42936  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:13:34] 	 03(mod) Switch instance bootstrapping to use salt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43650  (10Ryan Lane)
[20:15:26] 	 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-vi' on all Vietnamese wikis and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45979  +comment (10matma.rex)
[20:16:58] 	 03(NEW) Also block a user when removing a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47667 enhancement; MediaWiki: Page deletion; ()
[20:22:30] 	 03(mod) Run refreshImageMetadata.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30961  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[20:22:54] 	 03(mod) Echo notifications menu looks rather silly in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47652  +comment (10vbamba)
[20:23:22] 	 03(mod) User list includes MediaWiki:Viewprevnext without rendering markup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11454  +comment (10rumata)
[20:26:18] 	 hi gabithume 
[20:30:00] 	 03(mod) "Undefined" uploads via mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47103  normal->major (10Maryana Pinchuk)
[20:31:26] 	 Submitted my GSoC proposal. :-)
[20:31:45] 	 Rtdwivedi: Nice! :)
[20:32:28] 	 marktraceur: Hi!
[20:33:51] 	 sumanah, hey
[20:33:54] 	 sumanah: In case I get selected for OPW, is it fine if I start by 15th May?
[20:34:09] 	 Rtdwivedi: Hey there! Quim Gil is in charge of that kind of decision
[20:34:15] 	 I think he is leaning towards "ok"
[20:35:26] 	 sumanah, I'm actually reading a project idea for wikia OPW page, is wikia and mediawiki OPW related?
[20:35:45] 	 trying to understand the requestes for NLP analysis on wikia
[20:36:05] 	 Oh! For me its at least better than last time because in Round 5, during the whole internship period I had college classes. :-)
[20:36:07] 	 gabithume: Wikia is running its OPW program separately; sorry that I do not know more
[20:36:23] 	 sumanah, np, thank you so much! is there any channel to ask?
[20:36:40] 	 Thanks a lot for accomodating!
[20:36:41] 	 gabithume: I suggest you ask on the wikitech-l list and CC the Wikia mentor
[20:36:54] 	 sumanah, thanks!
[20:36:56] 	 Hey sumanah
[20:37:00] 	 Hi Aayush251 
[20:37:20] 	 sumanah, I'll try it
[20:38:05] 	 Rtdwivedi: my regrets regarding the scheduling stuff.  It is simply very difficult to run one 12-week program that accommodates lots of people around the world :/
[20:38:22] 	 sumanah I think I already asked you this question but let me ask you again.
[20:38:54] 	 What if I want to work on idea already posted in Mediawiki Idea page?
[20:39:39] 	 sumanah: Not at all! I understand how big the community is.
[20:40:06] 	 It is important to follow rules.
[20:40:20] 	 Aayush251: I'm not quite clear on your question. Could you give more context?
[20:40:59] 	 There is a section for " Featured project ideas " in Mediawiki website
[20:41:23] 	 If I want to contribute to any of the Idea's mentioned there.
[20:42:27] 	 (Like In my case I really want to work in improving the API for mediawiki)
[20:42:42] 	 Aayush251: So, by default, in open source, anyone should feel free to pop up and start volunteering and working on anything they think is interesting.  Does that help you?
[20:43:04] 	 Just like on Wikipedia -- if you see a page and you think it could use improvement, you do not need permission to edit it - you can just hit Edit.
[20:43:27] 	 03(mod) Articles load improperly on Kindle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47499  (10Arthur Richards)
[20:43:57] 	 03(mod) Articles load improperly on Kindle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47499  +comment (10arichards)
[20:44:51] 	 But those project are part of GSoC .
[20:45:45] 	 Aayush251: OK. Can you sort of explain your understanding of how you think this sort of claiming/stepping-back works? that will help me understand what you think and what I might need to tell/explain :)
[20:46:21] 	 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:46:40] 	 03(mod) Mobile site clips edges of large tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36936  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[20:46:47] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013
[20:46:50] 	 On this page
[20:47:15] 	 there are some featured project ideas
[20:48:25] 	 If I want to work on one of them how should I apply? 
[20:48:53] 	 By submitting allll the patches
[20:49:37] 	 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690   +patch-in-gerrit +patch-need-review (10Steven Walling)
[20:50:38] 	 marktraceur, I don't think you're answering Aayush251
[20:51:16] 	 Aayush251: Right, did you sign up on the GSoC website?
[20:51:28] 	 Platonides: Sorry, I thought he was just meaning to work on a project, not apply for a program
[20:51:29] 	 Aayush251, does any of them attract you specially?
[20:51:29] 	 Only signed up
[20:52:30] 	 Platonides : API versioning :)
[20:52:36] 	 Aayush251: ok, so, I think you might be sort of misunderstanding how open source works in general
[20:53:01] 	 Aayush251: almost all of the time, there is no formal application process to start working on a bit of open source
[20:53:08] 	 just like there is none for editing a Wikipedia page
[20:53:20] 	 Then there are EXCEPTIONS like Google Summer of Code
[20:53:51] 	 03(NEW) Commons app should provide a visual during first sync - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47668 normal; Commons App: Android; ()
[20:54:04] 	 GSoC is meant to provide a sort of on-ramp for people who need a mentored, structured, certification-y, paid internship as an intro to open source collaboration
[20:55:03] 	 and so the idea is that, because there are only so many people who can take the time to mentor students intensively, and because Google only allots a certain budget for paying GSoC stipends, there needs to be an application process so mentoring organizations can choose who each summer's interns will be
[20:56:06] 	 and we have this page to give the seeds of ideas for things that GSoC interns could work on, because otherwise new people will be scared or puzzled or intimidated, and to suggest (by example) the scope of a reasonable project idea
[20:56:50] 	 you can also propose an idea of your own for GSoC
[20:56:53] 	 yes
[20:57:09] 	 as well as you can code for wikimedia related projects outside of GSoC
[20:57:18] 	 I've already been in contact with yurik and he'll be happy to mentor me.
[20:57:30] 	 Platonides : Oh yes I'll love to do that as well :)
[20:58:08] 	 you're welcome
[20:58:11] 	 Aayush251: ok. So it sounds like you are asking for this information: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Where_to_start
[20:58:11] 	 Aayush251, assuming you are approved :-P
[20:58:28] 	 Yes yurik :)
[20:58:31] 	 I'll try my best
[20:58:51] 	 (then again, whoever wants to do API stuff will get my full support... time permitting :D )
[20:59:58] 	 03(mod) Internal error when changing a user talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41689  (10Erik Bernhardson)
[21:00:14] 	 03(mod) Duplicate thank you allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46690  (10Erik Bernhardson)
[21:00:32] 	 Aayush251: I'm still not sure whether you have gotten an answer to your question.
[21:02:27] 	 Nope
[21:02:36] 	 03(mod) 'thanks-thanked' needs GENDER support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46595  (10Erik Bernhardson)
[21:02:42] 	 but re-reading guide lines
[21:03:40] 	 maybe that'll help
[21:04:04] 	 Aayush251: ok. So are you asking "how do I apply to do this MediaWiki API project as GSoC" or "how do I start contributing to MediaWiki API work as a regular volunteer"?
[21:04:52] 	 (the answers will mostly overlap but there are crucial extra things if it is GSoC)
[21:04:57] 	 1st one :)
[21:05:15] 	 okay! So, yes, reread the guidelines.
[21:05:18] 	 !gsoc
[21:05:18] 	 Start a draft on mediawiki.org. In April, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list, revise both wiki & Melange versions. Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, Melange may crash at the 'last minute', so don't wait. Check the Melange FAQ & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
[21:05:20] 	 !gsocapp
[21:05:20] 	 Start a draft on mediawiki.org. In April, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list, revise both wiki & Melange versions. Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, Melange may crash at the 'last minute', so don't wait. Check the Melange FAQ & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
[21:06:08] 	 So main troubling question is
[21:08:22] 	 (and by the way, Aayush251, I want to reassure you -- simply by being here and talking with us now, you are miles and miles ahead of dozens of applicants who are too scared or lazy to speak here)
[21:08:35] 	 If I apply for MediaWiki API project as GSoC do I will need to submit a proposal or a different application (since Proposal is your idea you yourself right? and this project is someone else's Idea)
[21:09:01] 	 OK! So, Aayush251 it is ok to base your proposal on an idea that the mentoring organization (Wikimedia/MediaWiki) has published.
[21:09:31] 	 Aayush251: Try to imagine what it would be like if we did not allow you to do that!  What would the point of featuring these ideas be?
[21:10:16] 	 That was what I was looking for :)
[21:10:18] 	 The balance is this: you are going to have to write out a proposal, and you will have to have a lot of details in there, including proposed schedule
[21:10:53] 	 Aayush251: the one paragraph we have provided is a seed, but it is your job to grow that seed into a small tree
[21:11:30] 	 Thanks sumanah now my doubts are clear :)
[21:11:32] 	 Aayush251: Can you talk about where you got the idea that it is not okay to base your proposal on an idea you get from the mentoring organization's web page? I can try to address it
[21:11:44] 	 (for everyone else in this room: in Indian English, they say "doubt" instead of "question")
[21:12:03] 	 and "clear" instead of "answered"
[21:12:19] 	 Thats true.
[21:12:34] 	 That's interesting!
[21:12:34] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Links are not shown as redlinks when their target is blank (or as 'stub-alternate-colour' if appropriate) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37901  +comment (10matanya)
[21:12:34] 	 Aayush251: in US English, "doubt" has a connotation of suspicion
[21:12:38] 	 as though you think the other person is lying or mistaken
[21:12:48] 	 03(mod) improve sort order in entity selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45351  (10Lydia Pintscher)
[21:12:49] 	 03(mod) Entity suggester for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46555  (10Lydia Pintscher)
[21:12:49] 	 "question" is a more neutral word to use
[21:13:04] 	 funny, I didn't notice the semantic issue
[21:13:05] 	 I don't know how did I learn that.
[21:13:24] 	 sumanah: I've seen some consistent playing with the order of words, too - "only" and "but" in particular seem to come after two clauses rather than between them
[21:13:27] 	 Aayush251: also US people don't understand phrases like "do the needful" or "the same" (as in "we will do the same")
[21:13:41] 	 (in general)
[21:13:51] 	 and what does "we will do the same" mean?
[21:14:00] 	 Platonides: me neither, but that's because we're not english native speakers :P
[21:14:02] 	 assuming it doesn't mean "we will do the same things"
[21:14:04] 	 03(mod) Display the categories on the mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22660  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[21:14:13] 	 marktraceur: if you want to sort of start listing things about Indian English that are different from US English, fine, but I here want to concentrate on things Aayush251 might say that will get mistaken or misread
[21:14:13] 	 I think there's a lot to learn with you guys haha.
[21:14:22] 	 *nod*
[21:14:27] * marktraceur  wasn't trying to derail
[21:15:11] 	 Is it okay if I submit my application by next week? (need to finish exams and practicals)
[21:15:14] 	 odder: it's usually in a sequence like "Nancy told Todd to fix the JS but not to fiddle with the CSS. I advised him to do the same" or something like that
[21:15:50] 	 odder: in that context it means "I advised him to do the same thing Nancy advised him to do".
[21:16:13] 	 And this isn't generally understood in US English? o_0
[21:16:15] 	 Aayush251, it's ok but it would be nice if you could provide an advance in the mailing list
[21:16:16] 	 Or maybe in an email, I say "You should do x" and the Indian person replies "thank you, I will do the same"
[21:16:50] 	 sumanah: aha! as a non-native English speaker, I would have to Google that to get the meaning :-)
[21:16:59] * Platonides  wonders if him is Nancy or Todd
[21:17:15] 	 haha
[21:17:18] 	 odder: when I bring it out clearly like this, it's easy to understand. In the context of accents, mixed-up grammar and punctuation, etc. it gets harder, when it isn't an idiom you've grown up with
[21:17:31] 	 Platonides: Nancy is usually a women's name in the US and Todd is usually a men's name in the US
[21:17:44] 	 Aayush251, something like Hello I am X... and I plan to work on XYZ in the a,b,c way
[21:17:50] 	 should've used Joe and Jane, sumanah :-P
[21:18:04] 	 it doesn't need to be the final proposal of course
[21:18:06] 	 odder lol, you're right
[21:18:09] 	 Aayush251: if you're asking what is OK, technically, it is okay to submit your application at the last minute, but it drastically reduces your chances of being accepted
[21:18:30] 	 odder: Platonides - but this way you learned something? kinda?
[21:18:31] 	 but would allow for more feedback
[21:18:48] 	 Aayush251: I strongly advise you to follow this advice:
[21:18:53] 	 !gsocapp | Aayush251 
[21:18:53] 	 Aayush251: Start a draft on mediawiki.org. In April, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback in IRC and on the wikitech-l mailing list, revise both wiki & Melange versions. Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, Melange may crash at the 'last minute', so don't wait. Check the Melange FAQ & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
[21:19:10] 	 Marybelle: Nice, shiny new nick
[21:19:37] 	 Many times I don't care to look at the gender of the names
[21:19:40] 	 Aayush251: start the draft as soon as possible. Like today. Email a link to wikitech-l as soon as possible. Like today.  It is ok to then take a few days to think about feedback and revise things and respond to the conversation
[21:19:52] 	 since they are mostly "foreign" and thus unknkown
[21:19:56] 	 *unknown
[21:20:01] 	 I agree in this case it was clear
[21:20:07] 	 Marybelle.
[21:20:13] 	 doesn't have the same ring to it.
[21:20:33] 	 Alright this is the first thing I'll do today before going to college
[21:20:39] 	 :)
[21:20:44] 	 And do you understand why we suggest this?
[21:20:48] 	 That's pretty important too
[21:20:59] 	 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks (move section edit links next to headers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729  +comment (10mflaschen)
[21:21:07] 	 (in open source, unlike in some education systems, we care a lot about you understanding why you are doing things, and not just following rules by rote)
[21:21:56] 	 sumanah: yes!
[21:22:21] 	 I'm doing this to learn how organization works , ofcourse learn coding and via gsoc get a certification :)
[21:23:01] 	 learn coding?
[21:23:20] 	 I mean like working on real project
[21:23:36] 	 heh, I suspect meaning collaborating on a larger project than just a personal one.
[21:23:37] 	 03(mod) Deprecate inline styles (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35704  +comment (10arichards)
[21:23:48] 	 Yes Amgine_
[21:24:15] 	 I think I understand Aayush251 -- software engineering is more than just writing a function or 2. It's design, architecture, testing, collaboration, learning from others, getting to make the world better
[21:24:53] 	 Yes
[21:25:08] 	 something *real*
[21:25:41] 	 and here in India all we get is theoretical (Atleast my university does that)
[21:26:06] 	 http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/chequered-pasts?page=0,4    �And the �live project� these training institutes boast of that comes with the course�there�s nothing �live� about it,� he said. �They are dummy projects, done over and over, by every batch, every 45 days.�
[21:26:27] 	 Aayush251: it's not just in India, unfortunately, but it seems quite prevalent there
[21:27:12] 	 (the start of the article: http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/chequered-pasts )
[21:27:38] 	 03(NEW) Please change the name of the Wiki Loves Monuments product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47669 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[21:27:38] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42164  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:29:52] 	 03(mod) Attempting upload of lead image results in low memory error in Chrome Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46008  +comment (10arichards)
[21:30:00] 	 03(mod) Attempting upload of lead image results in low memory error in Chrome Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46008  +comment (10arichards)
[21:30:02] 	 03(NEW) Re-upload on Commons doesn't seem work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47670 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; ()
[21:30:35] 	 pragunbhutani: hope things are going well
[21:32:14] 	 03(mod) Re-upload on Commons doesn't seem work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47670  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[21:32:45] 	 03(mod) Mobile site should have selenium tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37260  +comment (10Michelle Grover)
[21:32:58] 	 03(mod) Mobile site should have selenium tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37260  +comment (10mgrover)
[21:33:44] 	 03(mod) Please change the name of the Wiki Loves Monuments product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47669  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[21:34:12] 	 03(NEW) Commons app crashes when taking photo with no camera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47671 normal; Commons App: Android; ()
[21:36:00] 	 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks (move section edit links next to headers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729  +comment (10matma.rex)
[21:36:38] 	 03(mod) [Contributions] Allow people to submit coordinates for articles that don't have them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42786  +comment (10arichards)
[21:36:41] 	 03(mod) MyISAM warning even if you don't get to choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34430  (10Erik Bernhardson)
[21:36:41] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Provide a way to expand data using an IVStore for transmission over the wire - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47318  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:37:25] 	 03(mod) Re-upload on Commons doesn't seem to work properly (caching issue?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47670  summary (10MZMcBride)
[21:37:25] 	 03(mod) MyISAM warning even if you don't get to choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34430  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:39:20] 	 03(NEW) Sequential floated images are stacking in VE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47672 normal; VisualEditor: General; ()
[21:39:31] 	 03(mod) Commons app crashes when taking photo with no camera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47671  +comment (10brion)
[21:41:10] 	 03(mod) Compilation failed: regular expression is too large in ApiQueryExtracts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46581  +comment (10arichards)
[21:43:44] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Sequential floated images are stacking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47672  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[21:44:35] 	 03(mod) UploadWizard: Wiki Loves Monuments contest issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37144  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:44:35] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42164  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:44:54] * sumanah  was just passive-aggressive on an internet message board :(  http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/014961.html#1322529
[21:48:22] 	 03(mod) User list includes MediaWiki:Viewprevnext without rendering markup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11454  +comment (10krenair)
[21:48:27] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42164  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:54:06] 	 03(mod) Create tool listing user WLM contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39293  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:54:32] 	 03(mod) Add syntax highlighting to Edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11627  +comment (10Eduard Braun)
[21:57:41] 	 sumanah: 
[21:57:44] 	 yes they are!
[21:57:51] 	 great!
[21:57:58] 	 I'm almost done drafting my proposal! :)
[21:58:22] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Inserting two paragraphs inside another paragraph results in the original paragraphs being separated by a blank paragraph - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46800  (10Ed Sanders)
[21:58:25] 	 I've already tried out WIkibase with MobileFrontend as suggested on the mailing list
[21:58:42] 	 and we've used the results to come up with a solution approach
[21:58:57] 	 pragunbhutani: may I see the proposal? (in its current unfinished state)
[21:58:58] 	 I'm jotting it down right now :)
[21:59:17] 	 I'm glad that you are happy and trying things out and generally learning stuff
[21:59:34] 	 sumanah: sure!
[21:59:36] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Pragunbhutani/GSoC_2013_Proposal
[21:59:59] 	 pragunbhutani: and let me thank you and praise you for putting it on mediawiki.org from the start.
[22:00:17] 	 Some people start off wanting to pass around MS Word documents, which makes things harder in the long run
[22:00:19] 	 you have the right idea
[22:00:35] 	 thanks :)
[22:00:42] 	 I wanted to see how it looked as well!
[22:00:48] 	 makes it easier to format
[22:00:49] 	 pragunbhutani: I added the {{draft}} tag to help you out
[22:01:20] 	 appreciated :)
[22:01:29] 	 pragunbhutani: we should encourage students to scope for more like 6 weeks than 12. A well-scoped project is a dream to run. Our chant should usually go, "Can you really do that in a summer?"
[22:01:50] 	 also pragunbhutani you might want to read http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-November/064498.html
[22:02:01] 	 it would be easier as well, to be quite honest
[22:02:15] 	 scoping for 12 weeks from the get go is not very easy
[22:02:25] 	 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[22:02:31] 	 and I'm pretty sure a lot of things might change as we progress
[22:02:43] 	 pragunbhutani: you might want to look at http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html re scheduling
[22:03:04] 	 sumanah, hey. how are you?
[22:03:19] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Sequential floated images are stacking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47672  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:03:23] 	 the title itself tells me that I'll like it
[22:03:35] 	 I'll read both those in a few mins
[22:03:38] 	 hi Krenair! I'm okay. I'm always happy to teach, and the newbies in #mediawiki have been giving me a lot of opportunities to teach :-) Hope you are enjoying the spring
[22:03:42] 	 (just cooked some scrambled eggs) :)
[22:03:48] 	 yum!
[22:04:10] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11454#c12
[22:04:23] 	 Someone seemed interested in fixing this bug
[22:04:27] 	 sumanah: I'd appreciate it if you could give me some feedback on the proposal, in it's current state
[22:04:34] 	 I'm done with most of it 
[22:04:43] 	 But didn't know how
[22:04:45] 	 So I pointed them to the tutorial
[22:04:59] 	 pragunbhutani: well, you should probably look at what you can actually do in 6 weeks
[22:05:34] 	 pragunbhutani: I highly recommend that you think about how much time you will need for code review and response to that feedback, testing and revisions in response to the bugs you will find, writing documentation and then revising it in response to feedback, and integrating it into the master codebase
[22:06:10] 	 Krenair: hmm, yes, I don't think I've included enough time for those 
[22:06:25] 	 I'll give those articles a read and look over my timeline once more
[22:06:31] 	 Hm?
[22:06:45] 	 03(mod) User list includes MediaWiki:Viewprevnext without rendering markup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11454  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:06:51] 	 Krenair: I think Pragun meant me. :-) 
[22:07:07] 	 Krenair: sumanah yes I did
[22:07:09] 	 :)
[22:07:12] 	 :)
[22:07:31] 	 24-hour chat channel :D
[22:07:44] 	 (scrambled eggs time)
[22:07:45] 	 brb
[22:07:51] 	 be right back
[22:07:52] 	 cool!
[22:08:12] 	 Krenair: in linguistics there is a concept called "code switching" - have you heard of it?
[22:08:24] 	 Hello there. Im looking for a way to implement a metod of imputting events from a form into a calendar. Any pointers or places I should start?
[22:08:26] 	 No...
[22:08:47] 	 hi DBAG 
[22:09:18] 	 Krenair: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching "Both in popular usage and in sociolinguistic scholarship, the name code-switching is sometimes used to refer to switching among dialects, styles or registers, such as that practiced by speakers of African American Vernacular English as they move from less formal to more formal settings."
[22:10:18] 	 I do that kind of translation and dialect-switching a lot, especially between engineer and person-who-is-smart-at-something-other-than-keyboards
[22:10:31] 	 DBAG: inputting events from a MediaWiki form into a calendar?
[22:11:03] 	 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457  +comment (10rkaldari)
[22:11:12] 	 ah
[22:11:14] 	 sumanah: Yes
[22:11:58] 	 DBAG: so if I were you, I would start by skimming https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix to see whether someone had already written a MediaWiki extension that does what I want
[22:12:48] 	 The idea that a chat channel would randomly close at a certain hour if it were not 24-hour just amused me slightly
[22:13:00] 	 DBAG: you could look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MKCalendar https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar_%28Cdamian%29 
[22:13:06] 	 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks (move section edit links next to headers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729  +comment (10mflaschen)
[22:13:10] 	 Krenair: I bet there are channels like that! :( 
[22:13:19] 	 sumanah: Ive been looking at a few extensions, notibly this one (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar_(Kenyu73)) yet they seem to lack the functionality im looking for
[22:13:35] 	 more seriously, if all the developers for a particular project live in, like, South America, then it's not really a 24-hour channel
[22:15:24] 	 but in any case I am glad to have amused you, even if only slightly, Krenair :)
[22:15:43] 	 DBAG: so the functionality of being able to add an event through a form .... I haven't messed with forms & MediaWiki too much yet
[22:16:33] 	 DBAG: we use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox at Wikimedia Foundation .... and a lot of people use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
[22:16:49] 	 sumanah:Yes exactly, thats what I was just wondering. To see If anyone had any experiance in the area
[22:17:57] 	 03(NEW) an empty list item is not shown on the output page, but visible in the VisualEditor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47673 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; ()
[22:18:29] 	 DBAG: btw do you know about the mediawiki-l list?
[22:18:31] 	 03(NEW) Wiki Loves Monuments blog needs to use responsive design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47674 enhancement; Wiki Loves Monuments: General; ()
[22:18:31] 	 !lists
[22:18:31] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42164  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[22:18:31] 	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[22:18:43] 	 sometimes people answer questions there more than in here
[22:18:54] 	 sumanah: Ill have to look over those links, do some more research
[22:18:58] 	 nod
[22:19:00] 	 sumanah:Thanks!
[22:19:04] 	 good luck DBAG 
[22:19:29] 	 03(mod) Outdated README file in the tarball - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47576  +comment (10Kelson [Emmanuel Engelhart])
[22:25:39] 	 03(NEW) Images on 'my uploads' view flicker repeatedly during initial sync on Android 2.3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47675 normal; Commons App: Android; ()
[22:26:12] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments blog needs to use responsive design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47674  +comment (10tomasz)
[22:26:51] 	 03(mod) Wiki Loves Monuments blog needs to use responsive design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47674  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[22:27:27] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Possibly! Can you remind me which it was?
[22:27:36] 	 
[22:27:58] 	 marktraceur: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43412#c1
[22:30:08] 	 back
[22:30:24] 	 hi pragunbhutani 
[22:30:52] 	 sumanah: is it possible to get a few wikimedia tshirts/stickers/badges or something of the sort?
[22:30:54] 	 Great! Should be simple enough.
[22:31:11] 	 Kyzz: Any help you need, I'll be around most-ish of the night
[22:31:23] 	 pragunbhutani: tell me more! Are you running an event of some kind?
[22:31:24] 	 the OSDC at my uni is planning to organize an "OSS camp" soon
[22:31:47] 	 03(mod) Allow mobile users to be "remembered" on login. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46241  +comment (10arichards)
[22:32:01] 	 we have an open source developers club at college
[22:32:16] 	 and two years ago, one of our seniors organized an OSS camp
[22:32:38] 	 which was a 3 day event
[22:32:48] 	 with talks and workshops and hackathons 
[22:32:51] 	 in our campus
[22:33:02] 	 it wasn't limited by organization
[22:33:48] 	 so we had events on android, mozilla, chrome, wikimedia, drupal, wordpress, KDE and gnome and a few more
[22:34:00] 	 pragunbhutani: when will the event be?
[22:34:31] 	 well we had our first meet up today, regarding organizing such an event
[22:34:57] 	 we're going to have another one on the coming tuesday/wednesday
[22:35:31] 	 and we'd probably like to talk to a few more people on foss.in to see if we can get representation for more organisations
[22:35:32] 	 pragunbhutani: so what month would this event take place?
[22:35:54] 	 Before July, because that's when the current semester ends
[22:36:08] 	 May seems likely
[22:36:14] 	 towards the end of May
[22:37:09] 	 03(mod) Varnish cluster 503's should disaply a better error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36498  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[22:37:46] 	 it would be nice to have a few goodies
[22:37:57] 	 tshirts or badges or even stickers
[22:37:58] 	 pragunbhutani: ok. In that case, email me with the complete address (including name) 
[22:38:47] 	 and I will probably be able to get you a small packet of some things - like ~25 buttons, ~50 stickers, a few pens
[22:39:08] 	 I think that should be sufficient
[22:39:28] 	 not a lot of 1st and 2nd year students are involved with OSS organizations
[22:39:45] 	 and they're the target audience
[22:39:50] 	 my email is sumanah at wikimedia dot org
[22:40:06] 	 already on record :)
[22:40:09] 	 marktraceur: Still setting up the environment still and my wifi is acting up again for whatever reason 
[22:40:10] 	 okay :)
[22:40:26] 	 pragunbhutani: I also suggest you consider an OpenHatch Comes to Campus event
[22:40:28] 	 openhatch.org has more information
[22:41:25] 	 Wifi dropped and it wont let me click connect to re authenticate lol x.x 
[22:41:38] 	 Ouch.
[22:42:05] 	 I am not online either ;)
[22:42:29] 	 sumanah: oooh definitely
[22:42:39] 	 I'll make it a point to write to them as well
[22:42:57] 	 03(NEW) The 'cancel' message is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47676 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; ()
[22:43:26] 	 we do have a group of active 3rd years, seniors and pass-outs among us
[22:43:35] 	 What is a pass-out?
[22:43:47] 	 people who've passed out of college
[22:44:17] 	 but a few of them still participate with the OSDC
[22:44:25] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration in production should not ignoreHidden on user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42936  +comment (10James Forrester)
[22:44:29] 	 they're the ones who started it, to be honest!
[22:44:32] 	 Aha! so, in US English we call those "alumni"
[22:44:44] 	 oh yes, sorry :)
[22:44:51] 	 "alumni" is plural. "alumnus" for one male, "alumna" for one female
[22:45:02] 	 pragunbhutani: "to pass out" in US English is to faint
[22:45:09] 	 like, to get dizzy and fall down
[22:45:11] 	 lol I know :p
[22:45:22] 	 and it sounds a little like "drop out" which means to leave college before you get your degree
[22:45:28] 	 but colloquial usage makes its way into your vocab
[22:45:32] 	 noted 
[22:45:44] 	 sumanah: Alumnae for many female, innit?
[22:45:57] 	 Indeed
[22:46:05] 	 I doubt if we have a lot of 'alumnae' among the OSDC
[22:46:23] 	 we should definitely have a talk on OPW then
[22:46:27] 	 in any case, don't call a single one "an alumni" or people like me will get a tiny bit sad
[22:46:52] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Inserting two paragraphs inside another paragraph results in the original paragraphs being separated by a blank paragraph - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46800  (10James Forrester)
[22:47:10] 	 pragunbhutani: also, just because it's cool, look at this http://software-carpentry.org/about/audience.html
[22:47:16] 	 "an alumni", misuse of e.g. or i.e., ect.
[22:47:22] 	 When setting up a rsa key is there a suggested place to save ut>
[22:47:24] 	 it*
[22:47:38] 	 Kyzz: I think .ssh/  ?
[22:47:55] 	 Kyzz: ssh-keygen should give you a saneish default
[22:48:13] 	 pragunbhutani: good luck with your event, and with (in general) helping students understand the joy of FLOSS!
[22:49:02] 	 pragunbhutani: a lot of Indian students have enjoyed my speech "Be Bold: An Origin Story" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OczqFEcUTA (text is available:  http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2012/Keynote_by_Sumana_Harihareswara ) in case you want to pass it around your club
[22:49:18] 	 dash1291 (ashish) is an ex-GSoC student from Wikimedia
[22:49:24] 	 He's going to be around as well
[22:49:53] 	 Oh that's great!  Ashish Dubey will (I hope) continue to collaborate with us on MediaWiki improvements
[22:50:57] 	 I'm sure he will
[22:51:01] 	 he has been, indirectly
[22:51:26] 	 he does help students around for sure
[22:52:03] 	 same goes for drecodeam
[22:52:15] 	 but then we come from a very annoying university
[22:52:25] 	 oh?
[22:52:25] 	 drecodeam++
[22:53:11] 	 yep, the university seems to exist for the sole purpose of supplying workers to (infosis, accenture, tcs...)
[22:53:46] 	 you'll find most of the better developers carrying a few backlogs around 
[22:53:56] 	 hello ive got a problem with the mediawik1.20.4 
[22:54:21] 	 marktraceur: After I have created a ssh key where do I put it exatly?  I installed xclip
[22:54:21] 	 T1bbY: What's the problem?
[22:54:35] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You need to submit it somewhere in Gerrit...
[22:54:39] 	 Uh, sec
[22:55:03] 	 pragunbhutani: I was just talking earlier about that endemic problem - http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/chequered-pasts is the most recent thing I read about it
[22:55:03] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/settings/ssh-keys
[22:56:25] 	 i want to put thedisclaimer into the footer but how..
[22:56:56] 	 !footer
[22:56:56] 	 For changing the page footer, see the FAQ (!) . More information at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Footer and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning#Footer
[22:57:30] 	 y i know that pages but it will not work..
[22:57:35] 	 marktraceur: Marybelle is a much older nick. It's my alt in case Susan isn't available. :-)
[22:58:04] 	 im using the vector skin 
[22:58:07] 	 Oh, darn. Thought we'd hit the new nick mark.
[22:58:15] 	 Not yet!
[22:58:32] 	 T1bbY: Why won't it work?
[22:59:13] 	 ive change the parts what the help pages say but on my site it changes nothing
[22:59:13] 	 marktraceur: I can't remember the exact order, but it's something like... Marybelle --> something --> something --> Annemarie --> Ashlee --> Joan --> Susan.
[22:59:25] 	 Susan: Brooke was before Susan
[22:59:26] 	 There are certainly more than I can remember.
[22:59:29] 	 Brooke, that's right.
[22:59:39] 	 That was your first one during my tenure
[22:59:47] 	 RIP, Brooke.
[23:00:04] 	 T1bbY: Can you pastebin your LocalSettings.php with any secret information removed so we can see what you did?
[23:00:15] 	 sumanah: 23% falsification?!
[23:00:22] 	 I'm sure that's an underestimate
[23:00:26] 	 y where can i send you that file?
[23:00:29] 	 added my key :)
[23:00:40] 	 !pastebin | T1bbY 
[23:00:40] 	 T1bbY: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. When sharing multiple lines of code, please use a pastebin such as  or  and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[23:00:52] 	 sudo apt-get install git-core
[23:00:56] 	 oops x.x
[23:01:02] 	 okay one moment
[23:01:16] 	 hi pragunbhutani - you're talking about the Software Carpentry thing?
[23:01:23] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Support editing nowiki blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47678 enhancement; VisualEditor: General; ()
[23:01:33] 	 sumanah:  yes, reading the article right now
[23:01:59] 	 03(mod) support editing nowiki blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47677  +comment (10James Forrester)
[23:02:00] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Support editing nowiki blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47678  +comment (10James Forrester)
[23:02:00] 	 but I just realized, baseless 'certificates' don't count as falsification
[23:03:07] 	 http://p.defau.lt/?GuyH_JfGx4BsZyQzhupZTg
[23:05:45] 	 T1bbY: And that doesn't do anything at all?
[23:05:54] 	 T1bbY: Can you link to your wiki?
[23:05:57] 	 03(mod) Gerrit: Links containing git hash are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38103  +comment (10krinklemail)
[23:06:52] 	 http://learn-it-wiki.de/ in the bottom i want to get a link to Disclaimer in the same line of "Datenschutz"
[23:09:34] 	 T1bbY: https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classSkin.html#add899cbb52437a8ecdb3cc6f0b3a5544
[23:09:42] 	 You need two arguments to footerLink, you only have one
[23:09:46] 	 marktraceur: git review -s
[23:09:46] 	 Cannot determine where .git directory is.
[23:09:46] 	 The following command failed with exit code 128 "git rev-parse --show-toplevel --git-dir"
[23:09:47] 	 sumanah: just read that last article
[23:09:49] 	 -----------------------
[23:09:51] 	 fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[23:10:03] 	 Any suggestions on what I could be doing incorrectly setting up git-review?
[23:10:06] 	 sumanah: I can't say I'm surprised
[23:10:11] 	 pragunbhutani: Yeah.
[23:10:17] 	 !pastebin | Kyzz[Mobile]
[23:10:17] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. When sharing multiple lines of code, please use a pastebin such as  or  and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[23:10:40] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Where are you running git review?
[23:10:58] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Support editing nowiki blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47678  +comment (10James Forrester)
[23:11:21] 	 I just installed it and entered "git review -s" and received that error
[23:11:55] 	 sumanah: but that isn't even the worst part. The worst part is, even for those students' who genuinely graduate, this Quora thread presents a shockingly accurate picture
[23:11:58] 	 sumanah: http://www.quora.com/Computer-Science/How-are-students-in-Indian-colleges-taught-programming
[23:12:10] * sumanah  looks
[23:12:47] 	 okay i check thy
[23:13:38] 	 T1bbY: Feel free to stick around here :)
[23:14:26] 	 :)
[23:15:41] 	 marktraceur: So I'm not sure how to asnwer the question of where am i running it 
[23:17:23] 	 03(mod) Agora CSS gives labels conflicting styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47532  (10spage)
[23:17:33] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Report that the save dialog omits the save description entry box on hewiki/Windows/Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47679 minor; VisualEditor: General; ()
[23:18:09] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: pwd
[23:18:47] 	 marktraceur: /home/kevin
[23:19:14] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Unless you're doing something really strange, that seems right to me, because your home directory is almost certainly not a git repository
[23:19:24] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Try downloading MediaWiki and running it there
[23:19:33] 	 (download via git, mind you)
[23:19:35] 	 !download
[23:19:36] 	 The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from . Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Git repository .
[23:20:59] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Saved annotated content cannot be unannotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47680 major; VisualEditor: General; ()
[23:21:38] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Report that the save dialog omits the save description entry box on hewiki/Windows/Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47679  (10James Forrester)
[23:21:48] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Saved annotated content cannot be unannotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47680  (10James Forrester)
[23:22:07] 	 03(mod) MyISAM warning even if you don't get to choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34430  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:23:30] 	 03(NEW) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47681 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); ()
[23:23:30] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: After saving a page, the VisualEditor tab points at the oldid content not the new one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47682 normal; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; ()
[23:25:11] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Warn the user more prominently that they are editing an out-dated version of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47683 normal; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; ()
[23:26:36] 	 marktraceur: So I grabbed the core...now what should I be doing exactly?
[23:26:59] * Kyzz[Mobile]  needs to learn screen so its less annoying 
[23:27:50] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You can cd into the core directory and use git commands there
[23:28:11] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You'll need to download SemanticWatchlist, which is an extension, to work on that bug
[23:28:19] 	 03(mod) Deploy Account creation user experience to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45313  (10Monomium)
[23:28:20] 	 I'm not sure what the setup is like for SW, though
[23:28:35] 	 03(NEW) Integrate password and username checking JS into ACUX deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; ()
[23:28:35] 	 03(mod) Deploy Account creation user experience to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45313  (10Monomium)
[23:29:08] 	 03(mod) Integrate password and username checking JS into ACUX deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685  (10Monomium)
[23:29:11] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  (10Monomium)
[23:31:57] 	 03(mod) Integrate password and username checking JS into ACUX deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:32:32] 	 when i want to add the disclaimer to my site where i have to call the  disclaimerLink() funktion?
[23:32:45] 	 03(mod) Add password and username checking JS to core login and signup forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685  summary (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:34:10] 	 03(mod) Add password and username checking JS to core login and signup forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685  +comment (10swalling)
[23:34:55] 	 sumanah: I just shared your talk and the phrase "Free is better than safe" on Facebook
[23:34:56] 	 marktraceur: Got SemanticWatchlist as well as the core now what heh 
[23:35:11] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Now find the problem and fix it :)
[23:35:13] 	 and a friend of mine very kindly pointed out that the line can be very misleading, out of context
[23:35:18] * marktraceur  could be less helpful if you prefer
[23:35:28] 	 pragunbhutani: Yes, out of context, sure
[23:35:34] 	 sumanah: should've shared them at the same time!
[23:35:39] 	 didn't even cross my mind :p
[23:36:11] 	 pragunbhutani: what was your friend's argument?
[23:36:24] 	 (and I mean "argument" neutrally, like, point or insight)
[23:37:10] 	 sumanah: so I was watching the video and when you said, 'Free is better than safe', I thought that is was so relevant to the scenario in India
[23:37:19] 	 Yep
[23:37:22] 	 sumanah: so I thought about it and then shared it as a status
[23:38:17] 	 and this friend of mine pointed out that if I don't supply a context, it can be very misleading if someone associates the line with sex!
[23:38:26] 	 Ah.
[23:38:44] 	 sumanah: and I was like whoa! No! :p
[23:38:52] 	 but I see that he has a point
[23:39:19] 	 03(NEW) Hide "(optional)" when I check "Use a temporary random password and send it to the email address specified below" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47686 enhancement; MediaWiki: User login and signup; ()
[23:39:23] 	 pragunbhutani: I am an adult and so sometimes I forget what college students are like.
[23:39:33] 	 marktraceur: Alright...I feel kinda dumb I navigated to "cd /SemanticWatchlist/"
[23:40:00] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Don't worry about it, I'm not waiting for you or anything :)
[23:40:03] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Pawn ♙ appears when two paragraphs of different language are next to each other(?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47687 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; ()
[23:40:06] 	 marktraceur: "ls" then "gedit SemanticWatchlist.i18n.php"
[23:40:09] 	 sumanah: I know, I didn't think of that either!
[23:40:17] 	 marktraceur: Yeah haha this should be common sense I feel though
[23:40:30] 	 a funny moment, nonetheless :)
[23:40:33] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You don't need to give me the play-by-play if you're just working on it
[23:40:34] 	 Sure.
[23:40:47] 	 marktraceur: I'm just curious if I'm opening the correct file.  
[23:41:00] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: That's one file you'll need to change, yes
[23:41:02] 	 (it is not our fault what little cardboard-cut-out versions of us are saying or doing in other people's heads)
[23:41:24] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You'll need to do others because the message is in a different file I think
[23:41:38] 	 03(mod) Add password and username checking JS to core login and signup forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47685  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:41:40] 	 sumanah: It's my fault really, for quoting that out of context
[23:41:41] 	 03(mod) Implement English Wikipedia-only enhancements for other Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:41:42] 	 03(mod) Deploy Account creation user experience to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45313  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:41:46] 	 SpecialSemanticWatchlist.php in fact
[23:41:49] 	 pragunbhutani: no, it's your friend's fault honestly
[23:41:54] 	 !i18n | Kyzz[Mobile] 
[23:41:55] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Internationalisation for developer help on MediaWiki internationalisation. To translate MediaWiki in another language, please visit http://translatewiki.net
[23:41:56] 	 in my opinion
[23:41:59] 	 but I'm happy to drop it
[23:42:18] 	 anyway, glad you liked the talk!
[23:42:31] 	 I did
[23:42:45] 	 it's so very relevant to the scenario over here
[23:43:18] 	 the importance given to a certificate over a skill
[23:43:38] 	 03(mod) Deploy Account creation user experience to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45313  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:43:41] 	 I mean, that's a metaphor for what you said precisely!
[23:45:25] 	 :)
[23:46:18] 	 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:47:00] 	 marktraceur:  when i want to add the disclaimer to my site where i have to call the  disclaimerLink() funktion?
[23:47:16] 	 sumanah: as for the proposal, is there anything else that you think I should look over again?
[23:47:23] 	 other than the scope of the project
[23:47:26] 	 pragunbhutani: have you already changed the timeline?
[23:47:27] 	 hmmm
[23:47:57] 	 no, but I know what I need to change so I'll get to that in a bit
[23:48:02] 	 first - I'm glad you used the application template (summary, deliverables, etc)
[23:48:07] 	 also - nice use of "tracked in Bugzilla"
[23:48:17] 	 marktraceur: I'm a little confused for what I'm supposed to be looking at exactly.  
[23:49:01] 	 sumanah: I referred a couple of proposals from previous years )
[23:49:07] 	 pragunbhutani: and of course you need to add "about me", "participation" etc
[23:49:17] 	 pragunbhutani: :) and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template right?
[23:49:43] 	 sumanah: yes, plus the applications that were shared on the mailing list
[23:50:24] 	 pragunbhutani: "erstwhile" is another word that Indians use way more than US folks
[23:50:59] 	 pragunbhutani: mentioning who the mentor would be is pretty useful
[23:51:12] 	 I wonder.
[23:51:28] 	 pragunbhutani: basically, I think I need to see the additional sections that are currently empty, and the changes to the scope and timeline, in order to give you more feedback that would be useful
[23:51:29] 	 When did Wikimedia start using Git/Gerrit?
[23:51:35] 	 odder: March 2012
[23:51:57] 	 sumanah: I'll have to ask on wikimedia-wikidata as for the mentor, I'm not quite sure yet
[23:51:57] 	 Why are we thinking about "a Gerrit successor" in April 2013?
[23:52:03] 	 I've received consistent support from 3-4 people
[23:52:17] 	 phone call, sorry
[23:52:20] 	 back in a bit
[23:53:03] 	 T1bbY: You don't have to call it, MediaWiki will call it for you
[23:53:07] 	 sumanah: no problem
[23:53:20] 	 I'll fill in the sections and modify the scope
[23:53:25] 	 will ping you then
[23:53:39] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: So somewhere in the SpecialSemanticWatchlist.php file there's a place where "[NEW]" is hardcoded. We want to be able to internationalise that string.
[23:54:17] 	 marktraceur: hmm i dont get it if i paste the sample from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Footer here i dont get the link from that sample too
[23:54:40] 	 03(mod) Mediawiki Upload Error and Search not working in Oracle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36726  +comment (10rgherrera.meralco)
[23:54:48] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Pawn ♙ appears when two paragraphs of different language are next to each other(?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47687  +comment (10inez)
[23:54:56] 	 03(NEW) "(help me choose)" should open link to username policy in new tab/window or as a popup within the same tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47688 normal; MediaWiki: User login and signup; ()
[23:54:57] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Saved annotated content cannot be unannotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47680  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:54:59] 	 marktraceur: I'm just looking at the correct line 359 but I don't see that heh 
[23:55:49] 	 T1bbY: Can you show me the LocalSettings again?
[23:55:56] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: It may have moved
[23:55:57] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Saved annotated content cannot be unannotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47680  +comment (10James Forrester)
[23:56:02] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Text search for "NEW"
[23:56:02] 	 y one moment
[23:56:10] 	 marktraceur: y one moment
[23:56:11] 	 Ryan_Lane: Is it just me... or is ops starting to mistake wikitech-l for wikitech.wm?
[23:56:12] 	 andre__: <3<3<3
[23:56:32] 	 Dantman: are you complaining about us being more open?
[23:56:44] 	 marktraceur: Well line 59 is currently "'swl-watchlist-insertions' => 'New:',"
[23:56:54] 	 Right, I'll look.
[23:57:11] 	 wm.org isn't ours. Stop using it.
[23:57:34] 	 03(mod) Some user/user talk pages start to load on Commons and Wikipedia but then go blank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47457  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:57:36] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: You're sure line 359 doesn't have the string "[NEW]" on it?
[23:57:39] 	 Ryan_Lane: lol... not really... but I don't see any CC to an actual ops list.
[23:58:00] 	 marktraceur: http://p.defau.lt/?IuNxTSe2Bk46_v_h0EO3gg
[23:58:10] 	 03(NEW) "Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message for incorrect captcha could do with rewording - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47689 enhancement; MediaWiki: User login and signup; ()
[23:58:18] 	 Kyzz[Mobile]: Because http://www.ur1.ca/dj5q1 seems to disagree with you
[23:59:16] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Pawn ♙ appears when two paragraphs of different language are next to each other(?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47687  +comment (10inez)
[23:59:17] * Dantman  thinks we need a "url shortener" version of !hss
[23:59:40] 	 marktraceur: http://learn-it-wiki.de/ and there is no link to the thermsofservice in the footer
[23:59:57] 	 marktraceur: Hmm I'm currently looking in the file SemanticWatchlist.i18n.php and I see everything in German on line 359.