[00:04:17] 03(mod) Book upload customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47561 (10dacuetu) [00:39:54] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 normal->major; +ops; +comment (10Krinkle) [00:54:44] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 major->04CRIT; +comment (10Techman224) [01:13:25] 03(mod) API: Echo should use a standard notcontinue parameter instead of notoffset + nottimestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48054 +comment (10gerritadmin) [01:24:49] 03(NEW) Mobile Main Page outdated before logging in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48062 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [01:28:01] 03(mod) Mobile Main Page outdated before logging in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48062 +comment (10sean) [01:29:59] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 +comment (10Techman224) [01:43:39] 03(NEW) Don't allow changes while in read-only mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48063 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; () [01:52:58] 03(mod) Don't allow changes while in read-only mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48063 +comment (10krenair) [02:12:00] 03(mod) moving a page with suppressredirect produces misleading message "A redirect has been created" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45348 +comment (10Jens K Andersen) [02:31:47] 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032 +comment (10me.praveen) [02:38:27] 03(mod) UploadWizard does not support responsive web design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47917 +comment (10Nazmul Chowdhury) [02:55:12] 03(mod) PHP Fatal error: Cannot instantiate abstract class Installer in Installer.php on line 468 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47489 summary (10Krinkle) [03:06:46] 03(NEW) Don't include mediaWiki_htmlEmitter in jqueryMsg output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48064 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; () [03:07:30] 03(mod) Labslogbot should auto-link git hashes and Gerrit change-ids - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35876 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [03:16:27] 03(NEW) Wikitech: SAL transclusion on project pages should be limited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48065 normal; Wikimedia Labs: bots; () [03:20:27] 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa-testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057 +comment (10Krinkle) [03:22:54] 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa-testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057 +comment (10krinklemail) [03:24:56] 03(mod) addwiki.php should send notification email to mailing list 'newprojects' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24398 +comment (10Hydra) [03:28:17] 03(mod) Increase coverage of ResourceLoader isCompatible() in startup.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35906 +comment (10gerritadmin) [03:28:22] 03(mod) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47202 +comment (10gerritadmin) [03:31:49] 03(mod) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47202 -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Ori Livneh) [03:31:55] 03(NEW) API not available for wikimania2014 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48066 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [03:35:04] Sooo yeah, I have a problem. [03:35:15] I'm close to getting my mediawiki powered site running... [03:35:16] * marktraceur listens [03:35:30] I have WampServer, Apache, PHP, MySQL, blah blah [03:35:30] Go on, Cead [03:35:46] And...when I go to ..well [03:35:54] I think I'll screenshot. [03:35:57] MC27: Protip, WAMP == Windows/Apache/MySQL/PHP [03:36:41] ...:areyouserious: ok [03:37:49] 03(NEW) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067 normal; MediaWiki: Skin and page rendering; () [03:38:46] ok [03:38:53] http://images.wikia.com/central/images/5/5e/Screenshot_7.png [03:38:57] There you go [03:39:00] What do I do? [03:43:52] Hey Cead, er [03:44:13] You can use a web browser to read a bare HTML file just fine. But PHP is scripts. It has to be interpreted by a server first [03:44:28] So you can use file:// to read HTML but not PHP [03:44:34] MC27: put the mediawiki-1.20.3 folder in C:\wamp\www [03:44:49] ok [03:45:31] then open up ur browser and type in "localhost" [03:46:07] you will see the mediawiki-1.20.3 folder link there click it and go through the forms to set it up [03:53:26] 03(mod) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067 (10spage) [03:54:27] Someone please help me. I submitted my proposal to wikimedia yesterday. Now in my dashboard of GSoC it's showing that I have withdrawn my proposal. But, I didn't do that. .. [03:56:07] It's not working [03:56:46] 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa-testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057 +comment (10Quim Gil) [03:58:00] Vishal_, I'll tell you who to email by PM [03:58:30] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 (10jeremyb) [03:58:38] So should it be this? C:\wamp\www\mediawiki-1.20.3 [03:58:48] Or did I do it wrong? [04:01:23] MC27: that seems right [04:01:34] weeel it's not working so [04:01:50] did you start the wamp server? [04:02:54] 03(mod) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47202 (10Krinkle) [04:02:58] 03(mod) Mobile Main Page outdated before logging in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48062 normal->major; +mobile +ops; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [04:03:05] I'll try that :] [04:03:33] nooo [04:03:35] it didn't work [04:03:37] 03(mod) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47202 (10Krinkle) [04:03:53] click on your little window logo on the bottom left of the screen type "wamp" in the search box "start WampServer" [04:04:08] should pop up click on that [04:04:18] the wut [04:04:26] allow the program to execute [04:04:45] ...I'm on windows 8, the only thing on the bottom left is Libraries [04:04:51] Which I suppose is still usable [04:05:48] 03(mod) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47202 +comment (10Krinkle) [04:08:08] I'll show you what's happening [04:09:50] Krinkle: if we apply the change to RHEL1_20, do you think we need to update the release notes? [04:13:11] ori-l: you mean remove from 1.21 notes? [04:14:02] That's one option, yeah. I don't actually know how to handle some like that properly. [04:14:08] * something [04:14:19] there's a protocol, not sure which it is [04:14:39] I think since 1.21 isn't released yet it shouldn't be mentioned thre [04:14:45] but it is a backport [04:14:55] lets check previous cases [04:16:22] ori-l: yeah, remove from 1.21 [04:17:01] notes from 1.x.y releases are not included in notes for 1.(x+1).0 release [04:17:34] * Krinkle signs off.  [04:17:47] OK [04:17:51] it's tagged in bz, we wont forget :) [04:18:05] ?=pending, +=done,-=not done [04:18:46] I can barely manage my personal inbox [04:25:09] 03(mod) Commons app should provide a visual during first sync - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47668 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [04:27:09] 03(mod) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067 (10spage) [04:50:24] 03(mod) Echo: placement of notifications in HTML makes it hard for screen-reader users to access - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47993 +comment (10grahamwp) [05:00:44] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 +comment (10Chad H.) [05:03:49] hey everyone. is there a mediawiki extension that queues edits made by a user? the idea being, they could make edits as quickly as they want, but there's only one applied every X minutes [05:07:52] 03(mod) SVG JavaScript detection bypass - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47304 +comment (10gerritadmin) [05:07:56] 03(mod) Extensions can't fully block password changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46590 +comment (10gerritadmin) [05:18:59] 03(mod) jQuery.IME extensions for Firefox and Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46647 +comment (10kaushal.singh07) [05:32:58] 03(mod) Dumps should be incremental - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28956 +comment (10questpc) [05:35:04] 03(mod) Minor GIF image glitch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48042 +comment (10Ankit Maity) [05:42:48] anybody is awake and know details about the SUL merge of Wikimedia projects? [05:47:53] 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032 +comment (10physik) [05:52:15] 03(mod) Add wikitext bold and italic support to jqueryMsg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43512 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [06:06:38] 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032 +comment (10manojkmohanme03107) [06:53:18] 03(NEW) Claim qualifier autosummary is misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48068 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [06:54:00] 03(mod) Claim qualifier autosummary is misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48068 +comment (10aude.wiki) [06:56:56] 03(NEW) Indent doesn't work well with multiple list items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48069 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; () [06:56:59] 03(NEW) Table caption not rendering correctly in edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48070 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; () [06:57:30] 03(mod) Table caption not rendering correctly in edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48070 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [07:11:10] 03(NEW) action=setnotificationtimestamp & newerthanrevid = current revid throws fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48071 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [07:25:21] 03(mod) action=setnotificationtimestamp throws fatal error when parameters for the page are missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48071 summary; +comment (10Michael M.) [07:28:25] 03(mod) Talk page notifications should link to the section of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47954 +comment (10Spinningspark) [07:34:06] 03(mod) Talk page notifications should link to the section of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47954 +comment (10federicoleva) [07:41:29] 03(mod) Weekly bug summary: "quickly fixed a report" section empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42496 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:46:59] 03(NEW) Bugzilla Weekly Report email to wikitech-l includes wrong data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48072 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; () [07:49:12] 03(mod) Add option for all visitors to toggle Math modes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48036 +comment (10physik) [07:59:55] 03(NEW) Google Map extension does not support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48073 major; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [08:02:13] has anyone managed to work with gerrit and eclipse as described here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Advanced_usage#How_to_comment_on.2C_review.2C_and_merge_code_in_Eclipse [08:19:24] 03(mod) Bugzilla Weekly Report email to wikitech-l includes wrong data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48072 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:20:19] 03(mod) #tag cannot produce XHTML-style self-closing tags, required by LST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37256 +comment (10fastgoldfish) [08:29:57] 03(mod) Bugzilla Weekly Report email to wikitech-l includes wrong data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48072 (10Andre Klapper) [08:49:54] 03(NEW) Recent Changes - clicking on the verification link it loads a new page to confirm the execution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48074 major; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [08:50:56] 03(mod) Recent Changes - clicking on the verification link it loads a new page to confirm the execution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48074 (10Andyrom75) [08:56:26] I'm still looking for the deployment-dates of extensions in enwiki... I started looking at CommonSettings.php from the git-repo and found that there are several ways of including extensions... are there no style guidelines for the configs? [08:59:44] 03(NEW) Localizing dv.wikipedia namespace and sitename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48075 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [09:00:29] 03(mod) Allow users to delete their own pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17309 +comment (10gqqnbig) [09:05:19] lbenedix: do you mean the date of initial deployment, or of deployment of the latest version? [09:05:37] initial deployment [09:06:15] there are 83 extensions right now in enwiki and I want to know when they got there [09:07:06] plus the removal dates of the extensions that were deployed in enwiki before [09:07:33] there's the mediawiki/tools/release.git repository that is used to house scripts used to cut a new branch [09:07:52] there's one file in there in particular that needs to get edited whenever new extensions are added or old ones removed [09:08:05] that's make-wmf-branch/default.conf [09:08:21] the git log for that goes back just over a year, but SVN should take you further if you need to [09:08:32] do you mean CommonSettings or InitaliseSettings? [09:08:41] no, those are in a different repository altogether [09:09:24] those are a richer source of information because the history of those two files (common/initialise settings) can tell you when an extension was enabled on enwiki, whereas the make-wmf-branch file tracks extensions that are deployed to any wiki [09:09:37] but those files are also way noisier [09:09:54] whereas commits to make-wmf-branch/default.conf track extension addition / removal pretty closely [09:09:55] yepp [09:10:12] can you give me the link to the repository [09:10:20] erm, sure, just a sec [09:10:45] git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/tools/release [09:11:24] thx [09:11:59] there are some extensions very well documented in InitialiseSettings like 'Collection' "'enwiki' => true, # 2009-02-26 bv whee :D" [09:12:01] 03(NEW) Page creator can see the deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48076 normal; MediaWiki: Page deletion; () [09:12:35] well, you can do a git blame on the line even if there is no comment [09:12:48] so, if your editor shows you that you are on line 10472 (just making up a number here) [09:12:57] 03(mod) Page creator can see the deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48076 normal->15enhancement (10gqqnbig) [09:12:58] git blame InitialiseSettings.php -L10472,10472 [09:13:12] shows you the commit that last touched that line [09:13:16] I'd like to not to do it by hand for all extensions [09:13:30] script & automate! :P [09:13:57] and the stucture of InitialiseSettings is... erm... interesting [09:14:26] I mean CommonSettings where I have to look up the extensions [09:15:14] I see at least three different ways of including an extension there [09:16:29] is there a particular piece of information you are looking for, or are you looking to compile some aggregate picture? [09:16:52] eep have to run battery dying -- sorry! [09:17:04] even more ways to include an extension: include( "" ), include "", require( "" ), require "", require_once( "" ) [09:17:18] I just want the history of extension usage in enwiki [09:18:15] in the end I want something like: EXTENSIONNAME; DEPLOYMENT_DATE; REMOVAL_DATE [09:19:40] lbenedix: it's even more than that [09:20:01] it often happens that people use if ( $wmgXXX ) { require( "" ); } [09:20:14] then turn $wmgXXX to true after some time [09:20:21] yes [09:20:42] then I have to look $wmgXXX up in the InitialiseSettings [09:21:09] and enwiki is not always the first to have some extension enabled [09:21:20] especially in recent years [09:21:43] that is not a problem I'm interested especially in extension-usage in enwiki [09:23:26] lbenedix: then maybe you can set up some fake extension "setup" files, then just execute the whole initialisesettings and commonsettings and see what happens [09:24:11] I dont understand [09:34:26] 03(NEW) Add support for {{padleft:}} and {{padright:}} to jqueryMsg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48077 enhancement; MediaWiki: JavaScript; () [09:38:19] 10 01has anyone managed to work with gerrit and eclipse as described here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Advanced_usage#How_to_comment_on.2C_review.2C_and_merge_code_in_Eclipse01 [09:42:05] I managed to connect to bugzilla [09:42:24] but not to the gerrit review system [09:50:47] 03(mod) Enabling extensions during install process displays empty readonly textbox on status page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46802 +comment (10waldir) [10:02:56] 03(NEW) Vector drop down menu hidden behind toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48078 normal; VisualEditor: General; () [10:03:12] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Vector drop down menu hidden behind toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48078 summary (10Erwin Dokter) [10:26:51] 03(mod) Localizing dv.wikipedia namespace and sitename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48075 normal->15enhancement; +shellpolicy; +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [10:54:09] 03(mod) Gerrit: HTTP 500 "Guice provision errors: Cannot open ReviewDb" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48061 (10christian) [11:01:38] 03(mod) Recent Changes - clicking on the verification link it loads a new page to confirm the execution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48074 major->normal; +code-update-regression (10Andre Klapper) [11:26:30] 03(mod) Replace outdated translations with source text on translation pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44328 +comment (10federicoleva) [11:57:12] 03(mod) Remove redundant CSS from chick/main.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33494 +comment (10Erwin Dokter) [11:59:02] 03(mod) Styling for p-personal menu in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28835 +comment (10Erwin Dokter) [12:04:07] 03(mod) Invalid value for HTML5 dir attribute ("auto") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39912 +comment (10Erwin Dokter) [12:05:56] hi, I have quick question. If I download all sql dumps from http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/, install fresh mediawiki and using mysql command import all this dumps to mediawiki database -> will I have copy of english wikipedia? [12:06:40] 03(mod)   causes HTML tags to close unexpectedly (when using tidy) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26516 (10Erwin Dokter) [12:06:46] 03(mod)   causes HTML tags to close unexpectedly (when using tidy) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26516 (10Erwin Dokter) [12:15:15] frogie: you'll need the extensions as well [12:30:36] lbenedix: thanks, I'll try to manage this :/ [12:32:01] but... I think that generally it should work without extentions (maybe some differents in look) [12:34:49] is there a feasible interface for page properties? [12:36:26] 03(mod) action=setnotificationtimestamp throws fatal error when parameters for the page are missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48071 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:36:36] 03(mod) action=setnotificationtimestamp throws fatal error when parameters for the page are missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48071 +patch-in-gerrit (10Brad Jorsch) [12:48:21] 03(mod) Translation of Magic word "REDIRECT" in Assamese wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47863 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:49:03] 03(mod) Rename Module talk namespace for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47933 +comment (10burthsceh) [13:01:38] 03(mod) Translation of Magic word "REDIRECT" in Assamese wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47863 +patch-in-gerrit (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [13:57:12] 03(mod) Google Map extension does not support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48073 +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair)) [14:00:33] where do I find this stylize.php on my local mediawiki installation? [14:03:18] Its a seperate tool? [14:04:42] ok i thought it was in the tools directory [14:19:58] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48076 Feels dupey [15:14:20] Can I clone a mediawiki remotely without using any credentials? I.e. just rip it for local search purposes? [15:15:25] fasta_: git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git [15:15:33] I was thinking of using something like this: https://github.com/Bibzball/Git-Mediawiki [15:15:45] liangent: no, not media wiki the software. [15:15:55] liangent: I am talking about an instance of mediawiki. [15:17:09] fasta_: or you mean [[Special:Export]]? [15:17:23] !export [15:17:23] To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See for an example of this form. See also: !import [15:20:11] liangent: no, I just want to get a complete data copy of a wiki, but I have no special privileges. [15:20:42] Export or via the API are about your only choices if you can't get a copy of the database [15:21:24] Reedy: what do I need for the API? [15:21:32] Reedy: do I need just a login? [15:21:35] No [15:21:39] Reedy: or some 'admin' login? [15:21:43] Just visit it essentially [15:21:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php [15:22:29] Reedy: I went to /w/api.php, but it gave a 404. [15:22:50] find where index.php is (try and edit a page), then swap for api [15:23:57] Reedy: I found the url via a heuristic. [15:24:05] Reedy: thanks for the general method. [15:27:37] So how do I get my server to read/run PHP scripts? [15:28:04] Also, this is what happens in localhost, as I was saying last night. http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Upload [15:28:07] oops [15:28:33] http://community.wikia.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_8.png [15:30:55] RTFM? http://www.thesitewizard.com/php/install-php-5-apache-windows.shtml [15:31:40] though, if you've put mediawiki files in, chances are index.html has a higher priority than index.php [15:33:32] Reedy: ok, I wrote a program to get the URL now for every installation of mediawiki :) [15:38:01] So what do I do? [15:38:16] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Table captions were alienated so looked wrong and couldn't be edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48070 summary; +comment (10James Forrester) [15:49:36] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Vector drop down menu hidden behind toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48078 normal->minor (10James Forrester) [15:53:26] 03(mod) Flood flag for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48013 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:53:57] 03(mod) Add "sitesupport-url" to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg for wikidatawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45696 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:56:08] physikerwelt___: I think the mediawiki/tools/code-utils repo. Not sure [15:56:30] 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:58:49] 03(mod) Activate Flagged Revisions for modules namespace on Polish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48043 +comment (10gerritadmin) [16:00:02] 03(mod) Rename Module talk namespace for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47933 +comment (10gerritadmin) [16:02:40] 03(mod)   causes HTML tags to close unexpectedly (when using tidy) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26516 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [16:07:01] 03(mod) Flood flag for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48013 (10eikes) [16:07:18] 03(mod) Activate Flagged Revisions for modules namespace on Polish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48043 -patch-in-gerrit (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:13:53] Well, this has been less than unhelpful [16:15:02] 03(NEW) Wikimarkup error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48079 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Infrastructure; () [16:16:24] 03(mod) Large thumbnails of "lossless" files return error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48003 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [16:16:59] Mc27: what's the issue? [16:19:27] 03(mod)   causes HTML tags to close unexpectedly (when using tidy) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26516 +comment (10erwin) [16:20:26] Well apparently my server isn't configured to run PHP scripts [16:21:25] 03(mod)   causes HTML tags to close unexpectedly (when using tidy) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26516 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [16:22:03] Yeah, that can cause problems [16:31:19] ohai TyA [16:31:31] Master Ceadeus here \o [16:53:58] 03(mod) Numbered list markup with 
 inbetween creates empty first bullet after 
 section on wikitech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48079  normal->minor; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:57:41] 	 03(mod) Numbered list markup with 
 inbetween creates empty first bullet after 
 section on wikitech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48079  (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[16:58:52] 	 03(NEW) Sync source and editor like TeXShop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48080 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; ()
[17:10:20] 	 is there a way to make a comment in the mediawiki editbox?
[17:10:25] 	 something that is not rendered then?
[17:10:32] 	 
[17:10:40] 	 thanks
[17:10:55] 	 do you mean the traditional edit box or the Visual Editor?
[17:11:09] 	 the traiditional.. though it does not seem to work :S
[17:11:26] 	 nvm it works!
[17:11:47] 	 03(mod) current time as revision time of deleted revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46630  summary; +comment (10Fomafix)
[17:16:16] 	 Hello guys! How can i change password of a user?
[17:16:37] 	 It is there a page in special pages?
[17:17:09] 	 No special page. Probably a maintenance script
[17:17:15] 	 ....
[17:17:46] 	 If i understand, maintenance script has to be runned from console...
[17:17:55] 	 The server has not a console
[17:18:14] 	 We don't have a special page, because in general we assume only the user themselves should be changing their pass
[17:18:24] 	 Yes that's correct
[17:18:43] 	 I have a stupid user that forget his password
[17:19:05] 	 Why can't he hit the forgot my password button?
[17:19:24] 	 DoctorD90, the server has no console..?
[17:19:39] 	 No
[17:19:43] 	 ...
[17:19:52] 	 It is there? 
[17:20:01] 	 (forget button)
[17:20:05] 	 I check
[17:20:18] 	 Well presumably it has one, doctord90 probably just doesnt have access
[17:20:41] 	 You have email enabled?
[17:21:07] 	 Ok, it isnt there forget button
[17:21:20] 	 Im the noob wiki owner...
[17:21:38] 	 (Email needed for password reset to work)
[17:22:00] 	 It hasnt set 1 email
[17:22:27] 	 I tried with reset password in special pages
[17:22:34] 	 Insert the username
[17:22:44] 	 And get back 'no mail'
[17:22:57] 	 How can i solve xP ?
[17:24:51] 	 No mail might mean the user has no email set to send the new pass to
[17:25:07] 	 03(mod) use vipsthumbnail to scale images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47311  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:25:26] 	 And can i add mail for him?
[17:26:31] 	 Oh I totally lied
[17:27:00] 	 Someone added a special page to reset other people's passwords
[17:27:15] 	 Tricksy devs keep adding new features
[17:27:24] 	 ???
[17:27:34] 	 So? XD it is there a way?
[17:27:52] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords
[17:28:50] 	 Or nevermind that still requires there email to be set
[17:29:21] 	 You need to mess with db to add email for user
[17:29:50] 	 I come from that page xP
[17:30:08] 	 Ok i will to check how add stuff in db
[17:30:22] 	 !db user
[17:30:22] 	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:user_table
[17:31:17] 	 DoctorD90: ^ see that table, there you can see the password field. Be careful when doing updates, or you can end updating all user's emails :)
[17:31:17] 	 You should perhaps consider telling the user just to make a new account
[17:32:23] 	 ....
[17:32:37] 	 Lok
[17:32:54] 	 03(mod) use vipsthumbnail to scale images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47311  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[17:59:31] 	 03(mod) #tag cannot produce XHTML-style self-closing tags, required by LST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37256  +comment (10dovijacobs)
[18:06:22] 	 03(NEW) Parsoid: Relative internal wiki links show the wikitext rather than their traditional label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48081 minor; Parsoid: JS/General; ()
[18:06:50] 	 03(mod) Speedy deletion template "Db-g7" only exists on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34624  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[18:07:06] 	 03(mod) Parsoid: Relative internal wiki links show the wikitext rather than their traditional label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48081  (10James Forrester)
[18:07:51] 	 Hey y'all. I'm from wikia community central, we have a template that makes a few links, but if we use linebreaks in calling the template (for neatness) it breaks the links.
[18:07:57] 	 Any idea how to get around this?
[18:12:03] 	 anyone know how to protect page/file that do not exist(need it for testing purposes)?
[18:12:12] 	 can someone tell me what needs to be in .gitreview
[18:12:25] 	 No '.gitreview' file found in this repository.
[18:12:26] 	 We don't know where your gerrit is. Please manually create ...
[18:12:31] 	 blah blah :(
[18:12:46] 	 !git-experts
[18:13:00] 	 Rasel160: you can just ?action=protect the page
[18:13:11] 	 Or click the "Protect" button on the blank page
[18:13:37] 	 Elecbullet: thanks!
[18:14:17] 	 d00d, i didn't know I knew enough to answer a question on #mediawiki but ok
[18:14:33] 	 petan, take a look at the one for core
[18:14:50] 	 Krenair I have absolutely no such file on my system
[18:14:59] 	 in any repository
[18:15:03] 	 Well I do
[18:15:09] 	 I'll paste it in PM
[18:15:09] 	 this is almost new pc
[18:15:12] 	 ok
[18:15:36] 	 Just change the project bit
[18:15:54] 	 this is second time I asked someone for it, shouldn't this be in manual?
[18:16:22] 	 Actually it might be possible to generate it. I think that's what 'git review -s' does?
[18:18:10] 	 03(mod) Remove "huggle" Bugzilla user group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46586  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:18:55] 	 gitrevies -s is same error :/
[18:19:03] 	 This is a new repository, right?
[18:19:10] 	 well, not really
[18:19:13] 	 it exist for some week
[18:21:14] 	 what repo?
[18:24:39] 	 hi everyone. while I was editing a template on my wiki, I noticed that when I write , I can't close it anymore with . why? thanks
[18:26:21] 	 oh hi Betacommand and Reedy!
[18:43:02] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Indenting multiple list items now broken in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48069  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[18:48:33] 	 03(mod) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:50:11] 	 03(mod) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067  +comment (10rkaldari)
[18:51:16] 	 03(mod) inconsistent close icon in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48067  +comment (10rkaldari)
[18:54:03] 	 03(mod) Minor GIF image glitch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48042  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:02:13] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Indenting multiple list items now broken in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48069  +comment (10moriel)
[19:10:16] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla Weekly Report email to wikitech-l includes wrong data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48072  +comment (10aklapper)
[19:21:47] 	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10physik)
[19:24:08] 	 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[19:26:37] 	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10physik)
[19:30:54] 	 03(mod) Use normal grey triangle for mw-collapsible toggle for enhanced recentchanges and watchlist in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44853  -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[19:42:27] 	 03(mod) Add "sitesupport-url" to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg for wikidatawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45696  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[19:42:27] 	 robla: has anyone talked to you about the discussion of categories and tags at the recent GLAMWiki Boot Camp?  There was significant interest and folks from the group want to get involved if possible to help with finding solutions.
[19:43:50] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10tomasz)
[19:44:48] 	 03(NEW) Score fails to render if $wgUseImageMagick is off (no trimming) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48082 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; ()
[19:45:55] 	 03(mod) Rename Module talk namespace for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47933  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[19:49:19] 	 03(mod) Score fails to render if $wgUseImageMagick is off (no trimming) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48082  +comment (10brion)
[19:50:11] 	 03(mod) Collapse/expand buttons in enhanced watchlist are misaligned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31492   +testme; +comment (10Umherirrender)
[19:51:07] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10paul.kaganer)
[19:56:30] 	 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578  +comment (10brion)
[20:01:29] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:02:05] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10tomasz)
[20:31:36] 	 03(NEW) Installer environmental checks don't update when reloading page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48083 normal; MediaWiki: Installer; ()
[20:37:52] 	 03(NEW) Installer sets $wgLogo default path incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48084 normal; MediaWiki: Installer; ()
[20:37:56] 	 03(mod) Broken HTML showing up in block log on [[Special:CentralAuth]]: templates are parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45629  summary (10Nemo)
[20:38:04] 	 i shoulda showed up to that installer bugfest :)
[20:43:12] 	 brion_: what's $wgStylePath set to?
[20:43:34] 	 ori-l, $wgStylePath = "$wgScriptPath/skins";
[20:43:42] 	 $wgScriptPath is "/core" as i expect
[20:43:51] 	 huh
[20:44:12] 	 i'm shocked nobody's created a gui for updating the logo yet
[20:44:55] 	 brion: 	 $tpl->setRef( 'logopath', $wgLogo );
[20:45:07] 	 $wgLogo = false;
[20:45:10] 	 Defaults to "{$wgStylePath}/common/images/wiki.png".
[20:45:16] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10paul.kaganer)
[20:45:19] 	 $wgStylePath = false;
[20:45:21] 	 Defaults to "{$wgScriptPath}/skins".
[20:45:30] 	 $wgScriptPath = '/wiki';
[20:45:33] 	 so yeah.
[20:45:48] 	 shouldn't happen
[20:45:53] 	 purge?
[20:45:55] 	 MatmaRex, $wgLogo is hardcoded by the installer
[20:46:04] 	 ah.
[20:46:05] 	 ## The relative URL path to the logo.  Make sure you change this from the default,
[20:46:05] 	 ## or else you'll overwrite your logo when you upgrade!
[20:46:05] 	 $wgLogo             = "/wiki/skins/common/images/wiki.png";
[20:46:09] 	 well, that's silly.
[20:46:12] 	 :)
[20:46:24] 	 why does it even set that?
[20:46:43] 	 well it's in there so it's visible so you can override it
[20:46:49] 	 i think this was coded pretty recently
[20:46:53] 	 but it shouldn't be an expanded path, especially a wrong one
[20:47:12] 	 yeah, Ia6efdf931b0b6be7556fc16c040aa7493845cdfc, 2012-09-30 10:15:55
[20:49:35] 	 03(mod) Installer sets $wgLogo default path incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48084  +comment (10brion)
[20:50:33] 	 03(mod) Installer sets $wgLogo default path incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48084  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[20:52:27] 	 03(NEW) Special:CentralAuth table is broken for unattached accounts rows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48085 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[20:55:06] 	 03(mod) Special:CentralAuth table is broken for unattached accounts rows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48085  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[20:55:07] 	 03(mod) Misplaced links on Special:CentralAuth for unattached accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47951  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[20:58:27] 	 Hey. Any way to trim whitespace/newlines from template parameters?
[20:58:43] 	 Elecbullet: yes, use named ones.
[20:58:56] 	 Elecbullet: or fake them with {{template|1=asdf}}
[20:59:38] 	 Hm.
[21:00:22] 	 I'm an admin at Wikia Community Central, I'm trying to rework a template there... Think I could use unnamed parameters to call a template that turns them into named parameters on another template?
[21:00:28] 	 If you follow me...
[21:00:43] 	 yup, named parameters are stripped, unnamed ones arent. someone ten years ago though it was a good idea and it stayed.
[21:00:56] 	 Implying that it's not a good idea?
[21:01:01] 	 Elecbullet: if you have parser functions enabled, you cna use this:
[21:01:12] 	 {{#if:whatever| {{{1}}} }}
[21:01:22] 	 Elecbullet: this will strip the value of {{{1}}} too
[21:01:42] 	 Elecbullet: and don't ask me about why unnamed parameters to parser functions are stripped. D:
[21:02:15] 	 someone, uh, i guess seven years ago or so though this was a good idea as well
[21:02:27] 	 thought*
[21:02:34] 	 LIterally, then, you mean for me to say {{#if:whatever
[21:02:35] 	 which will always return yes
[21:02:41] 	 yep
[21:03:14] 	 Ooookay, I will try that, thank you
[21:03:19] 	 see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Trim
[21:03:24] 	 that's the trick it uses
[21:03:56] 	 I saw those but was a bit mystified about how it worked
[21:05:05] 	 oh, i just realized that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Strip_whitespace exists
[21:05:11] 	 which, funnily, uses the second trick i mentioned
[21:05:28] 	 i have no idea why would enwp need both of them...
[21:05:29] 	 03(NEW) "edit=autoconfirmed" not working for confirmed users on Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48086 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[21:09:44] 	 Implies one can be subst'd and the other not
[21:12:19] 	 well, this just means one is better than the other
[21:12:32] 	 also, there's no reason why the second one couldn't be made to be substable
[21:19:57] 	 03(mod) Collapse/expand buttons in enhanced watchlist are misaligned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31492  +comment (10matma.rex)
[21:20:16] 	 03(mod) Collapse/expand buttons in enhanced watchlist are misaligned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31492  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[21:21:36] 	 {{#if seems to work lovely-ly, thank you MatmaRex http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Elecbullet/Interwikilink
[21:21:48] 	 happy to help :)
[21:30:04] 	 03(NEW) Notifications should provide an option to disable the popup list of notifs and just head straight to Special:Notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48087 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[21:32:16] 	 Aight, my template is working perfectly and I'll ask the admins about it. thank you
[21:35:00] 	 03(mod) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[21:45:34] 	 03(mod) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626  +comment (10sam)
[21:48:01] 	 03(mod) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626  +comment (10Nemo)
[21:50:25] 	 03(mod) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626  +comment (10tylerromeo)
[21:53:36] 	 03(mod) Run our own Tor client for Tor block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30716  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[22:04:01] 	 03(mod) Claim assertion failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47022  +comment (10sam)
[22:07:34] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=blame;f=CommonSettings.php;hb=HEAD
[22:07:37] 	 seriously.
[22:09:36] 	 03(NEW) Score doesn't output image size (width/height) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48088 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Score; ()
[22:10:09] 	 odder: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=blame;f=wmf-config/CommonSettings.php;hb=HEAD
[22:10:11] 	 Learn2path
[22:10:34] 	 03(mod) Project & File namespaces renaming for udm.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47820  +comment (10tomasz)
[22:11:16] 	 03(mod) TorBlock catches Tor relay node - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47626  +comment (10haakonn)
[22:11:19] 	 Reedy: weird, I just cliked the link on noc.wm.org
[22:11:42] 	 Which link?
[22:11:52] 	 https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
[22:11:54] 	 'blob'
[22:11:59] 	 blame
[22:12:56] 	 I wonder if those are newly broken
[22:13:37] 	 dunno
[22:13:55] 	 Have a look at the history of highlight ;)
[22:18:38] 	 Guys, password problem fixed. My new one is: how can i enable multilanguage support?
[22:18:48] 	 03(mod) Specify default language on a per-page basis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9360  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:21:18] 	 DoctorD90: what exactly do you want? Consider checking out the Universal Language Selector
[22:21:27] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector
[22:21:46] 	 sry, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector
[22:21:53] 	 Sorry you have rigth...i 'd like get 'translate page'
[22:22:09] 	 oh, then you need the Translate extension
[22:22:11] 	 To allow supporting more languages
[22:22:21] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
[22:22:30] 	 How it works? :)
[22:22:44] 	 DoctorD90: MediaWiki is bundled with every language it is translated to by default
[22:23:13] 	 But pages that i create no :)
[22:23:21] 	 03(NEW) talk page links in notifications should not follow redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48089 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[22:23:24] 	 Only if i translate them :)
[22:24:00] 	 I don't know what to answer :)
[22:24:26] 	 Id like get 'translate page' and get at end/top page 'this is available in english russian italian deutch etc'
[22:25:58] 	 DoctorD90: do you want an automatic translation?
[22:26:24] 	 if you just want to translate them yourself, then take a look at Translate
[22:26:30] 	 wizardist: nice to see you alive.
[22:26:34] 	 check the link above
[22:26:47] 	 odder: I'm alive and well functioning.
[22:26:59] 	 how about answering my e-mails then?
[22:27:36] 	 I dont want auto google translation :) just link to other lamguage on which page is available :)
[22:28:10] 	 odder: concerning WLM, I can't say anything certain
[22:28:26] 	 wikilovesmonuments.by is dead, for one
[22:29:05] 	 I'm now involved in other activities, and I can't give as much attention as I would love to give :[
[22:29:39] 	 I kind of notice that, yes.
[22:31:09] 	 Wizardisr how i install it? :)
[22:32:39] 	 DoctorD90: check out the docs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension-Translate
[22:33:24] 	 Yes yes!
[22:33:29] 	 Like this xP
[22:35:16] 	 03(mod) Update repo on page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36729  +comment (10FocalPoint)
[22:38:13] 	 Thx wizardist :) i will install tomorrow ^^
[22:50:46] 	 odder: Seemingly newly broken
[22:50:48] 	 / Figure out path to selected file in the mediawiki-config repository 
[22:50:48] 	 59	+»	»	$selectedFileRepoPath = ( dirname( $selectedFilePath ) === 'wmf-config' ? 'wmf-config/' : '' ) .
[22:50:48] 	  $selectedFileName;
[22:56:01] 	 03(mod) Add 'Retina' hi-dpi display support to Extension:Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47523  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:56:01] 	 03(mod) Score doesn't output image size (width/height) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48088  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:57:48] 	 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578  +comment (10brion)
[23:30:40] 	 03(mod) Flood flag for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48013  -patch-in-gerrit  (10eikes)
[23:45:57] 	 03(mod) Allow to use the Lua API on the repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47071  +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia)
[23:46:08] 	 here's this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow_Portal/lnteractive_Prototype
[23:50:41] 	 03(mod) Allow use of the Lua API on a Wikibase repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47071  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))