[00:23:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578  +comment (10James Forrester)
[00:46:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some files generated by Lilypond are not displayed due to OOM error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47826  (10Rob Lanphier)
[00:56:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo breaks the hasmsg API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47962  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[01:01:49] <Rasel160>	 quick question on code formating in js, when creating multiple vars
[01:02:00] <Rasel160>	 ex. "var one = something, <newline> two;" should there be indented or 4 spaces before "two" in the new line?
[01:03:12] <MatmaRex>	 Rasel160: just indent
[01:03:36] <MatmaRex>	 Rasel160: we're basically not aligning anything with spaces
[01:04:29] <Rasel160>	 MatmaRex: ahh ok, thanks!
[01:12:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo breaks the hasmsg API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47962  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[01:17:05] <p858snake>	 jorm: why is it not on labs?
[01:17:37] <jorm>	 It's going to move there eventually.  the Time To Live is too high right now.
[01:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Concurrent uploading is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48090 major; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[01:52:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload Wizard: User preference for concurrent uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39607  +comment (10erik)
[01:53:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) UploadWizard broken in Opera 12.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48091 critical; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[03:32:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Anonymous users have identifying cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44327   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Adam Wight)
[04:32:04] <litanwei>	 有中国大陆的朋友么？
[04:57:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) GET parameters for pages in all namespaces supported by basic parser expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48092 minor; MediaWiki: Parser; ()
[05:17:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Should expose extension version data for Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48093 normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; ()
[05:38:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Q1759675 incorrectly thinks Q3909888 referenced by a property is a "Deleted item" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47214  +comment (10Legoktm)
[05:40:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Backport "Pending changes" messages from WP? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48094 normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; ()
[05:47:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Tracking: integration with Extension:Nonlinear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48095 normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; ()
[05:50:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow multiple bug entries at once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10929  +comment (10Adam Wight)
[05:59:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Integrate under FlaggedRevs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48096 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Nonlinear; ()
[06:30:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Concurrent uploading is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48090  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[06:45:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow use of the Lua API on a Wikibase repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47071  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[07:15:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CodeEditor extension should support CSS/JS pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39653  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[07:59:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow upload-by-URL from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42473  +comment (10at.light)
[08:29:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) namespace Rubrika in Czech Wikizpravy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34529  +comment (10Miroslav Langer)
[08:29:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Request Sorting Thai Wikipedia (and sister projects) with UCA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48097 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[08:56:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request Sorting Thai Wikipedia (and sister projects) with UCA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48097  +comment (10octahedron80)
[08:59:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change $wgCategoryCollation values to appropriate one for each Wikimedia wiki (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30996  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[08:59:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request Sorting Thai Wikipedia (and sister projects) with UCA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48097  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[09:01:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request Sorting Thai Wikipedia (and sister projects) with UCA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48097  +comment (10octahedron80)
[09:10:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some pages on enwikipedia didn't have their collation updated to the 1.17 form. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29799  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[09:26:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) No links to articles in link notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48098 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[09:26:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No links to articles in link notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48098  (10Wiliam D. Graham)
[09:27:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Keyboard Icon of Language selector for RTL languages should be at left - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45585  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:47:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [TUX] Description shortening doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48099 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[09:47:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [TUX] Save button in proofreading could be more context sensitive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48100 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[09:58:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] Save button in proofreading could be more context sensitive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48100  (10Nemo)
[09:58:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] Make proofread mode keyboard friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47797  (10Nemo)
[10:17:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [TUX] Editing translation proofread by other does not clear proofread marker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48101 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[10:33:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Vicu�aUploader logo not loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48103 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[10:42:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Vicu�aUploader logo not loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48103  (10Niklas Laxström)
[10:42:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Vicu�aUploader logo not loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48103  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[11:12:25] <lbenedix1>	 is it possible to set a permission for one user? 
[11:12:45] <lbenedix1>	 in my extension I do the following: $wgGroupPermissions[ '*' ][ 'foobar' ] = true;
[11:13:23] <lbenedix1>	 I want to override this for a testuser
[11:14:49] <Dantman>	 lbenedix1: No...
[11:15:41] <valhallasw>	 lbenedix1: you can create a new group and only add that test user to that group
[11:16:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rename Module talk namespace for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47933  -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Burthsceh)
[11:22:57] <lbenedix1>	 okay
[11:28:23] <lbenedix1>	 its not working
[11:28:49] <lbenedix1>	 $wgGroupPermissions[ '*' ][ 'foobar' ] = true; $wgGroupPermissions[ 'test_group' ][ 'foobar' ] = false;
[11:29:35] <Dantman>	 liangent: Rights are cumulative
[11:30:02] <Dantman>	 liangent: Setting somethng to false doesn't remove the permission
[11:30:40] <lbenedix1>	 so its not possible to override the 'true' for one user or group?
[11:32:16] <liangent>	 Dantman: what?
[11:32:34] <liangent>	 lbenedix1: there's a $wgRevokePermissions
[11:32:50] <Dantman>	 liangent: Sorry wrong nick
[11:38:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some pages on enwikipedia didn't have their collation updated to the 1.17 form. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29799  +comment (10Svick)
[11:40:50] <lbenedix1>	 thx
[11:41:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) opening new mailing list for Wikimedia Israel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48104 normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; ()
[11:49:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) opening new mailing list for Wikimedia Israel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48104  +comment (10itzik)
[11:49:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) creation of wikidata-tech mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47778  +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[11:51:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa-testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057  +comment (10Thehelpfulonewiki)
[11:52:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New langcom@ mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47196  +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[11:53:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Close wikimedia-de-by-ltp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46016  +comment (10Thehelpfulonewiki)
[11:55:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create new mailing list for Wikimedia Israel Education team - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48104  normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[11:56:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create new mailing list for Wikimedia Israel Education team - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48104  +comment (10itzik)
[11:57:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Entity suggester for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46555  +comment (10nilesh)
[12:05:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create new mailing list for Wikimedia Israel Education team - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48104  +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[12:25:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rename Module talk namespace for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47933  (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[12:49:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Close wikimedia-de-by-ltp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46016  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[13:00:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CodeEditor extension should support CSS/JS pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39653  +comment (10bjorsch)
[13:02:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Better, central default for MediaWiki:Edithelppage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45977   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[13:07:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Steward, global sysop and SWMT tasks bugs (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41492  (10Marco Aurelio)
[13:07:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User name blacklist should be managed globally to avoid SUL fragmentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36939  (10Marco Aurelio)
[13:24:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Set $wgLogo to the URL.." in the default MediaWiki logo should be internationalized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43680  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:39:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocomment formatter section link should be wider than just the one arrow character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342  (10jidanni)
[13:41:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Hindi, Arabic, Malayalam, Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10Jiabao Wu)
[13:42:33] <kangecha>	 I am from indonesia :)
[13:45:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Set $wgLogo to the URL.." in the default MediaWiki logo should be internationalized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43680  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:49:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocomment formatter section link should be wider than just the one arrow character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342  (10jidanni)
[13:50:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocomment formatter section link should be wider than just the one arrow character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342  (10jidanni)
[13:53:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Set $wgLogo to the URL.." in the default MediaWiki logo should be internationalized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43680  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:57:24] <Rahul21>	 @notify superm401
[13:57:24] <wm-bot>	 I will notify you, when I see superm401 around here
[14:14:15] <kangecha>	 ???
[14:20:26] <ashwin>	 Using mediawiki api how can i list all categorymembers of a category starting with 'a'?
[14:31:49] <liangent>	 ashley: I guess you have to do action=query&list=allcategories first to get the exact category na,e
[14:31:51] <liangent>	 *name
[14:32:20] <ashley>	 tabcomplete fail, though ;)
[14:55:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "LocalSettings.php" is inside a plain-text <code></code> wrapper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44475  +comment (10richa jain)
[15:07:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Usernames in history of imported pages should refer to original wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7240  +comment (10federicoleva)
[15:19:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "sudo chown ..." asks for password which doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48105 normal; Wikimedia Labs: tools; ()
[15:20:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Usernames in history of imported pages should refer to original wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7240  +comment (10federicoleva)
[15:24:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Score should output SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47578  +comment (10brion)
[15:25:43] <Richlv>	 can i have an external image (that works) with a custom link ?
[15:27:49] <kYuZz>	 hi guys, I'm having a strange problem. I moved a mediawiki install from one server to another following all the steps
[15:28:05] <kYuZz>	 when I reinstalled it on the new server I noticed that there are a lot of pages missing
[15:28:12] <kYuZz>	 they kind of disappeared
[15:28:25] <kYuZz>	 on the original wiki there are 207 pages
[15:28:26] <Richlv>	 i can't use "<a href", and looks like i can't use [] syntax either
[15:28:37] <kYuZz>	 and on the the new one there are only 133
[15:28:45] <kYuZz>	 I can't really get my mind round it
[15:28:48] <MatmaRex_>	 Richlv: there's a config option for that, let me find it
[15:28:50] <kYuZz>	 any suggestions?
[15:29:03] <jubo2>	 kYuZz: do the missing articles belong to a certain namespace ?
[15:29:12] <kYuZz>	 !
[15:29:12] <wm-bot>	 ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain
[15:29:21] <MatmaRex_>	 !wg AllowExternalImages
[15:29:21] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages
[15:29:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Compilation of tests fail due to missing linker flag for cxxtools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48106 normal; openZIM: zimlib; ()
[15:29:58] <kYuZz>	 jubo2: no, some missing articles don't have a namespace
[15:29:58] <MatmaRex_>	 !wg AllowExternalImages | Richlv
[15:29:58] <wm-bot>	 Richlv: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages
[15:30:29] <kYuZz>	 !botbrain
[15:30:29] <wm-bot>	 Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot
[15:30:31] <MatmaRex_>	 Richlv: and also
[15:30:36] <MatmaRex_>	 !wg AllowImageTag | Richlv
[15:30:36] <wm-bot>	 Richlv: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowImageTag
[15:31:02] <kYuZz>	 jubo2: any clues?
[15:31:03] <Richlv>	 MatmaRex_, just pasting url to extrnal image works, but i can't make it have a custom url
[15:31:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add 'Retina' hi-dpi display support to Extension:Score - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47523  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[15:31:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Compilation of tests fail due to missing linker flag for cxxtools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48106  +comment (10kamathvasudev)
[15:31:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Score doesn't output image size (width/height) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48088  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[15:31:35] <Richlv>	 MatmaRex_, maybe allowing img tag might work...
[15:31:55] <jubo2>	 kYuZz: nope.. I had a problem a while back that was a namespace thing.. also having "missing" articles
[15:32:14] <kYuZz>	 this is weird
[15:32:41] <kYuZz>	 might it have to do with some form of database caching?
[15:33:22] <kYuZz>	 I can't find the missing pages in the SQL dump either
[15:47:22] <kYuZz>	 I checked on the original server
[15:47:32] <kYuZz>	 and the missing pages are NOT in the 'page' table
[15:47:43] <kYuZz>	 it's like they're not even in the database on the original server
[15:47:46] <kYuZz>	 how come is that?
[15:50:04] <MatmaRex_>	 kYuZz: you're probably using some weird extension that managed them
[15:50:47] <MatmaRex_>	 kYuZz: try just copying over any non-standard tables
[15:50:56] <MatmaRex_>	 ie, ones that weren't created by MediaWiki
[15:50:58] <MatmaRex_>	 and see what happens
[15:50:59] <MatmaRex_>	 !schema
[15:51:00] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[15:51:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: We should bind an access key to the "edit source" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48107 minor; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; ()
[15:51:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: We should bind an access key to the "edit source" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48107  (10James Forrester)
[15:53:38] <MC27>	 Is this where MediaWiki should be set up at? C:\wamp\www\mediawiki-1.20.3
[15:53:40] <MC27>	 oops
[15:53:46] <MC27>	 http://community.wikia.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_10.png
[15:55:57] <brion>	 MC27, if you put 'index.php' on the end of that url does it show the installer screen?
[15:56:05] <brion>	 or does it prompt you to download, or show you source code or something?
[15:56:37] <MC27>	 let me see
[15:56:53] <MC27>	 Source code
[15:57:06] <brion>	 :P
[15:57:12] <brion>	 ok PHP isn't quite enabled right i guess
[15:57:21] <brion>	 oh wait
[15:57:24] <brion>	 that's a filesystem url :D
[15:57:28] <brion>	 you need the http://
[16:00:03] <MC27>	 Didn't work
[16:00:45] <MC27>	 Besides that, google chrome hides http://
[16:03:03] <MC27>	 So what do i do.!?
[16:03:05] <MC27>	 D:
[16:18:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] Translation tabs are not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47003  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[16:21:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] Text in tooltip of group selector is not parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47446  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[16:26:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Separate breadcrumb functionality from group selector module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48108 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[16:34:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Refactor: remove mw.translate.getGroup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48109 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[16:34:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) can't save changes that only change case in sitelinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46451  (10od_mishehu)
[16:41:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Q1759675 incorrectly thinks Q3909888 referenced by a property is a "Deleted item" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47214  +comment (10T. H. Kelly)
[17:00:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bad escaping of characters in Titleblacklist-forbidden-new-account when triggered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38894  +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:00:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa-testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057  +comment (10qgil)
[17:04:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a form-based editor SpecialPage for MediaWiki:Titleblacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27988  +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:15:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Adjacent annotations which are equal by name but not reference do not serialise correctly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48110 normal; VisualEditor: Data Model; ()
[17:23:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a form-based editor SpecialPage for MediaWiki:Titleblacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27988  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[17:31:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] Statsbar does not update after changing group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46879  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:37:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Request for new mailing list: qa@lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48057  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:57:34] <dardo82>	 hi
[17:57:44] <dardo82>	 anyone here?
[17:57:50] <dardo82>	 apart bots?
[17:58:14] <Vulpix>	 !help | dardo82 
[17:58:15] <wm-bot>	 dardo82: There are a lot of topics you could be asking about. Besides, this bot is mostly for experienced users to quickly answer common questions. Please just ask your question and wait patiently, as the best person to answer your question may be away for a few minutes or longer. If you're looking for help pages, we moved that to !helpfor.
[17:58:20] <Vulpix>	 oops
[17:59:07] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: lots of people and just one bot
[17:59:07] <dardo82>	 do you know what a domain hack is?
[17:59:17] <dardo82>	 what about wikine.ws?
[17:59:28] <dardo82>	 or wikispeci.es?
[18:00:14] <Vulpix>	 have you tried searching on google?
[18:00:40] <Vulpix>	 that doesn't seem to be a topic about MediaWiki
[18:01:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TUX] No details provided for message check failures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47923  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:01:20] <dardo82>	 no,it’s more about wikimedia…
[18:02:11] <dardo82>	 but this is all i got from them:
[18:02:14] <dardo82>	 [19:03] <odder> nobody cares.
[18:02:14] <Krenair>	 Then why are you asking #mediawiki?
[18:02:19] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: i see you've asked at #-tech as well
[18:02:25] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: it's weekend
[18:02:37] <dardo82>	 exactly…
[18:02:39] <MatmaRex_>	 the only people who are sitting here are nolifes and volunteers
[18:03:09] * Vulpix  is nolife

[18:03:20] <dardo82>	 if you don’t do such things in your spare time,when do you do them?
[18:03:29] <dardo82>	 me too i suppose…
[18:05:12] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: what is it exactly you want? if you want the WMF to buy these domains, you should contact the WMF :)
[18:05:54] <ashley>	 MatmaRex_: you forgot the "nolife volunteers" ;)
[18:06:03] <dardo82>	 didn’t you read about their reaction that i reported above?
[18:06:28] <Vulpix>	 dardo82: if wmf doesn't care, we couldn't care less
[18:06:36] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: odder is a volunteer as well...
[18:07:17] <dardo82>	 ok,who cares of that shit called wikipedia…
[18:07:24] <dardo82>	 -_-
[18:07:48] <Vulpix>	 that was rude
[18:07:53] <ashley>	 and uncyclopedia is the worst
[18:08:02] <dardo82>	 you were too…
[18:08:13] <ashley>	 really, though, Wikipedia and MediaWiki are awesome
[18:08:19] <dardo82>	 "we couldn’t care less"
[18:08:26] <ashley>	 the people here are a lot friendlier than in many other channels and wikis
[18:08:33] <dardo82>	 isn’t that rude?
[18:08:56] <ashley>	 there is a difference between "we couldn't care less" (fact) and "GTFO" (outright rude)
[18:09:00] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: i have already explained to you that you are in the wrong place.
[18:09:19] <dardo82>	 i am where i can…
[18:09:21] <Vulpix>	 dardo82: well, you should understand what mediawiki is, and what wmf is. wmf owns, wikimedia wikis, while mediawiki is the software that runs those wikis and many more
[18:09:37] <Vulpix>	 those domains have noting to do with us
[18:09:40] <dardo82>	 that is clear…
[18:10:23] <dardo82>	 you mean you have nothing to do with wikimedia?
[18:10:33] <Vulpix>	 exactly
[18:10:47] <Vulpix>	 it's a very different scope
[18:10:54] <dardo82>	 WIKIMEDIA != MEDIAWIKI?
[18:11:12] <dardo82>	 well,thanks i can read too…
[18:11:30] <Vulpix>	 there are many wikis out there that use the MediaWiki software
[18:11:35] <dardo82>	 i can read and even swap words!
[18:11:44] <dardo82>	 go figure…
[18:11:45] <ashley>	 correct! take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki if you're confused by all the funny words involving "wiki" :-)
[18:12:01] <Vulpix>	 they have no relationship with the Wikimedia foundation
[18:12:16] <dardo82>	 seems so strange to me…
[18:14:48] <Vulpix>	 although we have #wikimedia-dev, the code on github is in /wikimedia and the bot is called wm-bot :P
[18:16:15] <dardo82>	 what about the wikimedia banner on the mediawiki site?
[18:16:40] <dardo82>	 that is exactly the same as on every wikimedia site?
[18:17:09] <Vulpix>	 yes. The fact is that mediawiki.org is hosted on WMF servers
[18:17:49] <dardo82>	 so, in italian we call this "scarica barile"…
[18:18:04] <dardo82>	 nothing new under the sun…
[18:18:19] <Vulpix>	 but as we already said, this channel is for developers of MediaWiki (the software), not for WMF-related things
[18:19:04] <Vulpix>	 we don't buy domains for the WMF
[18:20:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) if a revert is performed after a page is moved, the mover gets a revert notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48111 minor; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[18:21:55] <dardo82>	 ok,i suppose my expections were just too high…
[18:22:31] <dardo82>	 then don’t tell Jim Wales not to pump the whole thing too much…
[18:23:23] <dardo82>	 if you can’t even get a meaningful reply to an humble suggestion…
[18:28:07] <valhallasw>	 dardo82: well, you haven't clearly stated your point, but it seems you are worried about domains such as 'wikine.ws' existing. To which the reaction - rightfully so - is: we are aware that they exist, but it's not an issue
[18:28:49] <dardo82>	 it’s not an issue,it’s an opportunity!
[18:29:10] <dardo82>	 a feature,if you want to call it that way…
[18:29:17] <valhallasw>	 So that's the answer to your question. The secondary point is that this is not the right channel to discuss these issues, because this channel discusses about development of the software, not of domains to buy or not.
[18:29:51] <valhallasw>	 dardo82: a feature no-one seems to care about - except you ;-)
[18:30:26] <dardo82>	 what does that means?
[18:30:36] <dardo82>	 i’m more clever than others?
[18:31:02] <dardo82>	 or just different?
[18:31:07] <valhallasw>	 If you think you are, go ahead and buy those domains, and see if you can monetize them.
[18:31:24] <dardo82>	 MONETIZE?
[18:31:54] <Vulpix>	 yes, put ads on them for people that go to those domains
[18:32:09] <valhallasw>	 Or place a copy of wikinews there, with ads.
[18:32:16] <dardo82>	 WTF? are you serious?
[18:33:30] <dardo82>	 i would be doing all this fuss just to…
[18:33:50] <valhallasw>	 dardo82: /you/ seem to think those domains are worth effort
[18:35:06] <dardo82>	 i think they are MEANINGFUL, not a GOLDEN EGG HEN!
[18:36:22] <dardo82>	 unbeliveable… and you are the savvy keeper of the global wisdom…
[18:38:23] <dardo82>	 oh,sorry,not you… the ones that hosts you…
[18:38:55] <dardo82>	 if there is any MEANINGFUL difference in that…
[18:40:04] <dardo82>	 this world is doomed…
[18:40:11] <dardo82>	 no hopes here…
[18:40:24] <valhallasw>	 dardo82: this world is doomed because we see no reason why the WMF should buy wikine.ws?
[18:41:06] <dardo82>	 BECAUSE NOONES GIVES A SHIT ABOUT HIS DUES!
[18:41:12] <MatmaRex_>	 lol dues
[18:41:16] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: i have already explained to you that you are in the wrong place.
[18:41:26] <dardo82>	 right…
[18:41:31] <MatmaRex_>	 we are not WMF employees
[18:41:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocomment formatter section link should be wider than just the one arrow character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47342  +comment (10prageck)
[18:41:39] <MatmaRex_>	 we can't do anything about this
[18:41:55] <dardo82>	 the problem is there is no right place for me…
[18:42:07] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Contact_us
[18:42:15] <dardo82>	 so,at least, /I/ am doomed
[18:42:26] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: there: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Contact_us
[18:43:28] <Thehelpfulone>	 dardo82, which domains?
[18:43:38] <lbenedix1>	 Krinkle|detached: ping
[18:45:02] <dardo82>	 but who care if /I/ am doomed,the world will go on the same even without me…
[18:46:22] <dardo82>	 i could write them an email message…
[18:46:46] <dardo82>	 that would be just gently ignored…
[18:48:07] <lbenedix>	 what exactly is the problem?
[18:49:46] <Richlv>	 looks like random domain names with 'wiki' in them
[18:52:30] <dardo82>	 no PROBLEM…
[18:52:41] <lbenedix>	 anyone seems to be doomed
[18:52:43] <dardo82>	 or maybe there is a problem…
[18:53:22] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: i have already explained to you that you are in the wrong place.
[18:53:24] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: there: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Contact_us
[18:53:33] <MatmaRex_>	 please start talking to the right people
[18:53:42] <Thehelpfulone>	 dardo82, if you email me a list of domains I can pass them on to the right people - thehelpfulonewiki [at] gmail.com
[18:54:03] <marktraceur>	 This seems like it escalated quickly :/
[18:54:05] <dardo82>	 that makes any sense finally!
[18:54:19] <MatmaRex_>	 Thehelpfulone: he mentioned wikine.ws and wikispeci.es
[18:54:23] <MatmaRex_>	 once, an hour ago or so
[18:54:31] <MatmaRex_>	 then no other ones
[18:54:58] <dardo82>	 wait i have more ones…
[18:55:24] <lbenedix>	 what is wrong with wikinews.org?
[18:55:50] <dardo82>	 what is wrong with domain hacks?
[18:56:03] <lbenedix>	 .org like in non profit organisation
[18:56:45] <Vulpix>	 lbenedix: everybody can buy an .org domain, if I'm not mistaken, for whatever reason
[18:56:56] <lbenedix>	 thats right
[18:57:58] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: I suspect we don't want to spend any significant amount of time or money on something that's so superficial
[18:58:15] <dardo82>	 what about mediawi.ki?
[18:58:20] <marktraceur>	 (I am not a decision-maker, just offering some thoughts, speculation)
[18:58:28] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: See above re: superficial
[18:58:56] <dardo82>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_hack
[18:59:19] <dardo82>	 someone wasted his time writing about superficial things…
[18:59:27] <marktraceur>	 We understand what it is.
[18:59:37] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: People write about Paris Hilton too, superficial doesn't mean not-notable
[18:59:50] <Vulpix>	 we're not responsible about people typing random domains and expecting them to give the site they want to find
[19:00:46] <moogsi>	 HOW DO I INTERNET
[19:00:55] * moogsi  mashes keyboard

[19:01:05] <Vulpix>	 lol
[19:01:07] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: And anyway, many people (probably of both sexes) have contributed to that article
[19:01:16] <lbenedix>	 is there any advantage with mediawi.ki instead of mediawiki.org?
[19:01:34] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: ^ lbenedix asked a great question
[19:02:09] <moogsi>	 lbenedix: no
[19:02:33] <moogsi>	 what about me.diawi.ki... or me.mediawiki.ki
[19:02:35] <lbenedix>	 what about: medi.aw/iki/
[19:02:40] <moogsi>	 :D
[19:02:44] <dardo82>	 so domain hacks makes no sense?
[19:03:09] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: Not in this case, unless you have a good reason we should consider them.
[19:03:09] <dardo82>	 and writing about them makes even less sense…
[19:03:33] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: They're an important social phenomenon in the tech industry right now, it's good to document their existence.
[19:03:46] <dardo82>	 what is the reason for  who.is?
[19:04:13] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: It's for finding domain registration information about various websites
[19:04:16] <dardo82>	 don’t you want to be part of an important social phenomenon in the tech industry right now?
[19:04:35] <lbenedix>	 mediawiki is right in the middle of an important social phenomenon in the tech industry
[19:04:37] <dardo82>	 it couldn’t just be whois.org or .net?
[19:05:06] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: Not really. We aren't some startup hungry to look hip and have short URLs, we're perfectly happy with mediawiki.org.
[19:05:20] <MatmaRex_>	 D:
[19:05:24] <MatmaRex_>	 seriously
[19:05:25] <MatmaRex_>	 guys
[19:05:28] <moogsi>	 what is this conversation even about? did someone forget to renew mediawiki.org?
[19:05:38] * moogsi  looks

[19:05:44] <marktraceur>	 moogsi: I'm almost certain we have that stuff figured out :)
[19:05:49] <MatmaRex_>	 moogsi: no, dardo has lots of idea and absolutely no clue :(
[19:05:52] <MatmaRex_>	 ideas*
[19:05:52] <moogsi>	 nope still there
[19:06:00] <moogsi>	 :p
[19:06:02] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_: Just chill, we're talking. :)
[19:06:17] <moogsi>	 meejuhweekee is free
[19:06:27] <dardo82>	 THEN TAKE MY IDEAS AND GIVE ME THE CLUES!
[19:06:43] * moogsi  steals all dardo82's ideas

[19:06:43] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: While there _are_ valid reasons for people to buy domains along those lines, we don't see any of those reasons here, and you haven't brought any up.
[19:06:51] <dardo82>	 so we both will have ideas and clues…
[19:06:55] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: the clue is to write to the WMF itself
[19:06:55] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: So why do you think a domain hack is _compelled_ here?
[19:07:00] <moogsi>	 all dardo82's ideas ©me 2013
[19:07:19] <moogsi>	 that's how copyright works
[19:07:26] <lbenedix>	 dardo82: why dont you just buy them and forward to wikinews.org?
[19:08:12] <Vulpix>	 ^ 
[19:08:29] <lbenedix>	 by the way: you could get dar.do
[19:08:41] <Vulpix>	 pun!
[19:09:35] <dardo82>	 maybe dar.do/82
[19:09:44] <MatmaRex_>	 dar.do:82
[19:09:49] <MatmaRex_>	 port hacks, that's something new
[19:09:56] <dardo82>	 ops…
[19:09:57] <moogsi>	 however, you cannot have dil.do, the netherlands' greatest sex toy store
[19:09:58] <MatmaRex_>	 i should patent it
[19:10:12] <dardo82>	 i meant dar.do/82
[19:10:14] <moogsi>	 *may or may not be the greatest
[19:10:25] <lbenedix>	 http://xona.com/domainhacks/search?q=MatmaRex
[19:10:42] <lbenedix>	 so many possibilities
[19:10:45] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: I'm waiting for your reason for being so insistent here. If you have some compelling reason that we should be serving mediawiki.org content through mediawi.ki instead, let's hear it.
[19:11:28] <moogsi>	 all the kids are doing it
[19:11:33] <moogsi>	 it's the hotness
[19:11:44] <MatmaRex_>	 lbenedix: woah, i'm so hackable.
[19:12:07] <marktraceur>	 moogsi: Did I say compelling? I meant compelling.
[19:12:19] <MatmaRex_>	 it's a pity they killed http://to./ , though
[19:12:22] <MatmaRex_>	 that was nice
[19:12:48] <moogsi>	 marktraceur: are you not compelled? by hotness?
[19:12:49] <dardo82>	 thanks lbenedix!
[19:13:06] <moogsi>	 i'm compelled and impelled
[19:13:09] <moogsi>	 but not re
[19:13:10] <marktraceur>	 moogsi: Nooope
[19:13:15] * Vulpix  is compiled

[19:13:17] <moogsi>	 seems you are re
[19:13:23] <marktraceur>	 moogsi: I'm rappelled by hotness
[19:13:34] * marktraceur  doesn't like the look of that

[19:13:36] <moogsi>	 i c
[19:13:44] <marktraceur>	 No, it's cool.
[19:13:57] <MatmaRex_>	 http://serverfault.com/questions/90737/how-the-heck-is-http-to-a-valid-domain-name these were the times.
[19:16:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [[d:Q8497800]] is still in wb_items_per_site table even though it's been deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48112 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[19:17:03] <dardo82>	 Thehelpfulone: please add wikizionar.io to the list as it would be the italian version of the wiktionary,thanks…
[19:17:20] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: Seriously, why is this such a serious need for you?
[19:17:28] <dardo82>	 i’m happy to have spawned such a discussion…
[19:17:47] <dardo82>	 but it really took to much time and effort…
[19:17:57] <moogsi>	 even a frog will leave after spawning
[19:18:03] <moogsi>	 who knows how it feels about it
[19:18:39] <dardo82>	 i haven’t got it…
[19:18:49] <dardo82>	 sorry,i’m italian…
[19:18:51] <moogsi>	 oh, i remember why i cam in here, dis bug → https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46741
[19:19:02] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: So you're going to come in, make some points, not support them, and expect us to spend some hundreds of dollars to act on them. Mmmkay.
[19:19:08] <dardo82>	 if it is some kind of english pun…
[19:19:38] <moogsi>	 dardo82: no you're not, no-one apologizes for being italian
[19:20:10] <dardo82>	 thanks God some one else replied to me apart from you…
[19:20:27] <dardo82>	 moogsi: you are right! and it is dinner time here…
[19:20:42] <moogsi>	 anyway, dat bug, why is it? causes problems on Commons because we have lots of files which are just the same but different formats, so it makes sense to be able to upload them with the same name
[19:21:12] <Vulpix>	 well, many more people replied, but you seemed to ignore us anyway
[19:21:14] <moogsi>	 is it a configuration thing, possibly?
[19:21:23] <dardo82>	 so can i this time be sorry if i don’t reply to you in a swift as i am eating?
[19:21:34] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: Take your time, but _answer_ please.
[19:24:21] <dardo82>	 ok,i could buy dar.do/82 but i am not an organization (that then rightly have the .org domain)… so i don’t have to be so organized to even have my own website…
[19:24:27] <dardo82>	 uhm…
[19:24:53] <dardo82>	 would you fancy an url shortner?
[19:25:03] <dardo82>	 like goo.gl?
[19:25:37] <lbenedix>	 goo.gl/e sends you to google.com
[19:25:45] <dardo82>	 right!
[19:25:54] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: We have thought about this - I think it's in the works
[19:26:01] <dardo82>	 really?
[19:26:08] <dardo82>	 THAT IS MY POINT!
[19:26:34] <MatmaRex_>	 marktraceur: actually i'm pretty sure it was decided that we don't need one
[19:26:42] <MatmaRex_>	 or at least it wasn't decided that we do
[19:26:52] <dardo82>	 the domain for the url shortner should be mediawi.ki!
[19:27:07] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: I think it was for wikipedia, so it would probably not be
[19:27:41] <dardo82>	 there is no .ia tld sadly
[19:27:47] <lbenedix>	 wiki.pe/dia/
[19:28:27] <dardo82>	 http://wi.ki/pedia/
[19:28:30] <marktraceur>	 And a shame, too, psychologists would love that
[19:28:58] <lbenedix>	 but what exactly should the wikipedia do with it?
[19:29:58] <moogsi>	 if someone is really into tweeting wikipedia articles then maybe... but no
[19:30:19] <lbenedix>	 http://wi.ki/pedia/en/Elephant is not much shorter than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant
[19:30:56] <moogsi>	 it would obviously be en.wi.ki, but even then you have the name of the article which can be looooong
[19:31:02] <MatmaRex_>	 wi.ki is taken anyway
[19:31:04] <superdadsuper>	 hello.
[19:31:12] <MatmaRex_>	 and last time i checked the owner wanted some serious bucks for it
[19:31:29] <superdadsuper>	 I need to speak with Wikimedia employee, 
[19:31:47] <superdadsuper>	 well I eitheir need a liscence or
[19:31:48] <moogsi>	 i guess for people to share stuff from commons there could be a shorter version of commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
[19:31:48] <dardo82>	 goo.gl is not much shorter than  google.com
[19:31:49] <superdadsuper>	 just ask
[19:31:59] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: it's weekend, i wouldn't count on it.
[19:32:08] <dardo82>	 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/137552
[19:32:10] <superdadsuper>	 Aaron Shulz is here.
[19:32:11] <moogsi>	 but of course there is no .ns or .on tld
[19:32:25] <superdadsuper>	 I was wondering if I could add MediaWiki to sourceforge,net
[19:32:25] <dardo82>	 IT ALREADY EXISTS!
[19:32:39] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: he's also idle for 1 day and 20 hours
[19:32:48] <moogsi>	 alright mistar shouty man
[19:32:48] <superdadsuper>	 oh.
[19:33:13] <superdadsuper>	 but would i be in trouble if I added MediaWiki to sourceforge.net without permission.
[19:33:26] <superdadsuper>	 https://sourceforge.net
[19:33:29] <MatmaRex_>	 "added"?
[19:33:31] <marktraceur>	 superdadsuper: What are you trying to do?
[19:33:56] <superdadsuper>	 its a site where you may add free open source projects
[19:34:01] <superdadsuper>	 really popular site
[19:34:10] <superdadsuper>	 Semantic MediaWiki is on there.
[19:34:14] <MatmaRex_>	 mediawiki is free software, licensed under the GNU GPL
[19:34:14] <lbenedix>	 why you want to add mediawiki there?
[19:34:15] <dardo82>	 I SHOULD HAVE SEARCHED FOR URL SHORTNER INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME WITH YOU!
[19:34:16] <superdadsuper>	 and some extentsios
[19:34:24] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: yes, you should have
[19:34:28] <superdadsuper>	 extensions.
[19:34:30] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_: Chill
[19:34:30] <MatmaRex_>	 dardo82: and i have no idea why you did that anyway
[19:34:35] <moogsi>	 dardo82: YOUR time?
[19:34:39] <MatmaRex_>	 oh well.
[19:35:03] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: We didn't understand that you were trying to find a single URL shortener and not forwarding for _every wikimedia site_ under these domains
[19:35:05] <superdadsuper>	 I wanted to add it on there, to help more people find MediaWiki if they are looking for software for their wiki.
[19:35:26] <dardo82>	 but i ashamedly stopped at the domain hack stage…
[19:35:37] <dardo82>	 it is mainly my fault…
[19:35:41] <marktraceur>	 superdadsuper: You're allowed to redistribute modified or unmodified copies of MediaWiki under the GPLv2 without restriction.
[19:35:55] <dardo82>	 for relying on you…
[19:35:59] <marktraceur>	 (so long as you distribute _under the GPLv2)
[19:36:00] <superdadsuper>	 https://sourceforge.net/directory/os:windows/freshness:recently-updated/?q=MediaWiki
[19:36:37] <superdadsuper>	 well I'm not really making a copy, just basically linking mediawiki.org and stuff.
[19:36:38] <dardo82>	 as you like everyone else are usually unreliable…
[19:37:21] <superdadsuper>	 its funny how the original mediawiki isn't posted there.
[19:37:31] <superdadsuper>	 but all sorts of extensions and stuff
[19:37:33] <superdadsuper>	 are
[19:37:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Adjacent annotations which are equal by name but not reference do not serialise correctly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48110  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[19:38:05] <superdadsuper>	 so marktracuer i can add it o there correct.
[19:38:13] <superdadsuper>	 i just don't want to claim it is mine.
[19:38:17] <marktraceur>	 !tabcompletion | superdadsuper
[19:38:18] <wm-bot>	 superdadsuper: Instead of manually typing another person's nickname in IRC, you can type the beginning of their name and hit TAB on your keyboard to get it autocompleted, like on the command line.  This avoids misspellings.  Just make sure it's the right person!
[19:38:44] <marktraceur>	 superdadsuper: The copyright notices are prominent in the COPYING file and in some file headers
[19:38:59] <marktraceur>	 superdadsuper: You wouldn't be claiming it as your own, you'd be distributing a copy.
[19:39:07] <superdadsuper>	 okay.
[19:39:20] <superdadsuper>	 thanks marktraceur 
[19:39:25] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: i have no idea how this works, but if the files were hosted on SF, someone would have to update them when new versions are released
[19:39:59] <superdadsuper>	 I would.
[19:40:02] <MatmaRex_>	 and there's a new major version every six month or so, with minor versions being released more often
[19:40:11] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_: Should be possible with a simple update script - could run it nightly, even
[19:40:19] <MatmaRex_>	 i think there's a mailing list for announcements
[19:40:20] <MatmaRex_>	 !lists
[19:40:20] <wm-bot>	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[19:40:26] <superdadsuper>	 I don
[19:40:36] <superdadsuper>	 know how to script that.
[19:40:42] <MatmaRex_>	 (not these, but they are cool too)
[19:40:46] <superdadsuper>	 I was thinking just update it when major updates come out.
[19:40:48] <MatmaRex_>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce
[19:41:00] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: the miinor ones are usually security update
[19:41:01] <MatmaRex_>	 s
[19:41:08] <superdadsuper>	 or just put MediaWiki and then link mediawiki.ort and give a short description
[19:41:35] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: and we're at 1.20.5 right now, which means five minor updates since 1.20
[19:41:55] <dardo82>	 THANKS FOR HAVING WASTED MY TIME!
[19:41:57] <MatmaRex_>	 they're usually not "critical", no remote code execution etc
[19:42:03] <superdadsuper>	 okay so that link you gave me I email in and they give me the source code to update it.
[19:42:05] <MatmaRex_>	 but they're often kind of important
[19:42:09] <superdadsuper>	 like the script
[19:42:13] <superdadsuper>	 to auto-update,
[19:42:32] <dardo82>	 THE ANSWER WAS SIMPLE: URL SHORTNER != DOMAIN HACK
[19:42:54] <marktraceur>	 dardo82: I'm sorry we couldn't help more effectively. Hopefully you won't take this as a reflection on us, we *did* want to answer you, but misunderstood.
[19:43:04] <lbenedix>	 dardo82: your shift key is broken
[19:43:20] <dardo82>	 more or less like mediawiki != wikimedia
[19:43:20] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: if SF permits that, you should probably just link MediaWiki to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[19:43:29] <superdadsuper>	 yah, thats what I said earlier.
[19:43:41] <dardo82>	 no that is my tab key sadly…
[19:43:45] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: this would ensure that the most recent version would always be available
[19:44:03] <superdadsuper>	 yah.
[19:44:15] <MatmaRex_>	 i'm not sure why we aren't on sourceforge
[19:44:34] <superdadsuper>	 a huge amount of other extentions to it are.
[19:44:39] <superdadsuper>	 Semantic is on therw.
[19:44:58] <MilConDoin>	 Hi. Is it possible to display only a part of an image? Say my picture is 100x30, but I only want to display the bottom right 80x25 (so the top 20px and left 5px aren't shown)?
[19:45:10] <superdadsuper>	 that would be iframes.
[19:45:16] <superdadsuper>	 MilConDoin: 
[19:45:28] <MatmaRex_>	 MilConDoin: in core MediaWiki, not really
[19:45:36] <superdadsuper>	 that is advanced HTML, lots of math.
[19:45:39] <MatmaRex_>	 but that depends on what exactly you're trying to do
[19:45:56] <superdadsuper>	 or you could just take the image and cut everything off but the part you want,
[19:46:26] <MilConDoin>	 Well, depending on a parameter in a template, I want to display a part of the image. It's a tall one, but depending on the parameter I need to display only a certain part of the bottom
[19:46:40] <MilConDoin>	 Since this is dynamic, cutting off isn't feasible.
[19:47:01] <MilConDoin>	 With this I mean: cutting off beforehand in an image editor and uploading each variant.
[19:47:28] <superdadsuper>	 MilConDoin the only other way would be uploading it, and then using an iframe to embed only a certain portion of it.
[19:47:38] <MilConDoin>	 But IFrames are a good tip, I'll search for that. Something all you need is the keyword to start your search ;)
[19:47:39] <superdadsuper>	 you would have to embed the iframe from the pictures location.
[19:47:45] <MatmaRex_>	 MilConDoin: CSS has a clip() property
[19:47:46] <lbenedix>	 it could be done with css
[19:47:53] <MatmaRex_>	 you could try that
[19:48:02] <MatmaRex_>	 but it would be kind of ugly
[19:48:09] <MilConDoin>	 why ugly?
[19:48:10] <superdadsuper>	 i don't know how to iframe, but I know what it does.
[19:48:41] <superdadsuper>	 i'm learning HTML currently. this summer i'm taking a course on CSS and HTML5
[19:51:41] <lbenedix>	 http://codepen.io/lbenedix/pen/KCxnq
[19:51:42] <superdadsuper>	 I don't get how MediaWiki mail works. Like when you register it automatically sends you an email noreply at the website, does MediaWiki automatically include a built in mail sub-domain?
[19:51:42] <dardo82>	 can i say one last thing?
[19:52:20] <superdadsuper>	 or do you have to get your own mail sub-domain?
[19:52:53] <lbenedix>	 MilConDoin: is that what you wanted to do?
[19:53:11] <dardo82>	 io tld… like in wikizionar.io!
[19:53:13] <dardo82>	 :-P
[19:53:28] <superdadsuper>	 really! Source Forge is having problems.
[19:53:46] <superdadsuper>	 like with me being able to publish "my" project of MediaWiki,
[19:54:18] <dardo82>	 all i have to add is that this is a technical channel,no?
[19:54:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Anonymous users have identifying cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44327  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[19:55:18] <superdadsuper>	 okay, can somebody respond to my mail question.
[19:55:19] <MilConDoin>	 thanks lbenedix, that looks nice
[19:55:58] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: i don';t understand the question
[19:56:18] <dardo82>	 you can see it from afar as it is one or maybe the most active one among the ones about all the wiki stuff!
[19:56:58] <dardo82>	 i mean that techies feel like home on IRC, IMHO… 8-)
[19:57:51] <dardo82>	 what do you think about that? do you agree?
[19:58:17] <superdadsuper>	 okay, when registering for a site using MediaWiki software it automatically sends you a confirmation email being sent from the website. Does MediaWiki have a built in mail server that you can use as a sub-domain to maintain mail, do you have to get your own mail and then program the mail to automatically send?
[19:58:42] <MatmaRex_>	 MW just uses the settings of the server
[19:58:49] <MatmaRex_>	 unless you configure it to use different ones
[19:59:13] <superdadsuper>	 so, would you have to get like a gmail sub-domain or something?
[19:59:29] <dardo82>	 i wouldn’t dislike your view on that…
[19:59:39] <MatmaRex_>	 you don't need one to be able to send e-mails?
[19:59:47] <superdadsuper>	 or does MediaWiki send it from mediawiki.org and then cloak it to appear it come from your site.
[19:59:57] <superdadsuper>	 from your site I mean,
[19:59:58] <MatmaRex_>	 it sends it from your site, if your server isconfigured to allow that.
[20:00:06] <MatmaRex_>	 it doesn't send anything otherwise
[20:00:47] <superdadsuper>	 .okay. So if you wanted to write up your own mail sent from your site would you have to get a mail sub-domain. Like if you wanted to make accounts for the admins and stuff.
[20:01:02] <superdadsuper>	 or could you configure everything through the servers?
[20:01:18] <MatmaRex_>	 i'm not sure what you're asking about
[20:01:26] <MatmaRex_>	 MW doesn't include any facilities for receiving e-mail
[20:01:30] <MatmaRex_>	 only for sending it
[20:01:56] <dardo82>	 devs are used to use IRC for help from the dawn of the internet…
[20:02:00] <MatmaRex_>	 just like just about anything else, CMSes, forums, etc
[20:02:33] <dardo82>	 "i’m not sure what you're asking about"
[20:02:50] <dardo82>	 where i have already heard that?
[20:03:01] <dardo82>	 oh,yeah,it was about me!
[20:03:02] <superdadsuper>	 let me give an example.
[20:03:06] <dardo82>	 ;-)
[20:04:28] <superdadsuper>	 Wikimedia Employees they have mail accounts at wikimedia.org, but they also have many automated mailing scripts. So the automated scripts would be configured through the servers and the Employees's mailing acounts would be operated on a sub-domain.
[20:05:35] <dardo82>	 this is also the channel with the most users…
[20:06:27] <dardo82>	 that would be strange if not explained by my theory…
[20:06:31] <superdadsuper>	 correct?
[20:07:01] <dardo82>	 as the wikipedia is much more famous than mediawiki…
[20:07:06] <MatmaRex_>	 superdadsuper: yeah. but MediaWiki itself doesn't manage these addresses, nor e-mail.
[20:07:55] <superdadsuper>	 so what mail hoster does wikimedia use?
[20:08:03] <superdadsuper>	 like for their sub-domain.
[20:08:04] <MatmaRex_>	 i have no idea
[20:08:10] * marktraceur  uses scary voice

[20:08:13] <marktraceur>	 *Google apps*
[20:08:35] <marktraceur>	 Guess there are worse things.
[20:08:39] <superdadsuper>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo
[20:09:09] <marktraceur>	 Mailman does most of the mailing lists
[20:12:57] <superdadsuper>	 all right well gtg
[20:13:05] <superdadsuper>	 bye! 
[20:14:25] <dardo82>	 MatmaRex_: dardo82 has got some clues and still has many ideas…
[20:14:41] <dardo82>	 i suppose that this means i have won!
[20:15:22] <MatmaRex_>	 were we fighting?
[20:16:13] <dardo82>	 not exactly against you…
[20:16:29] * moogsi  awards dardo82 1 internet

[20:16:47] <Amgine>	 <tickles MatmaRex>
[20:16:56] <MatmaRex_>	 hi Amgine
[20:16:57] <dardo82>	 but against the problem and the misunderstandings…
[20:18:18] <dardo82>	 the problem being i can’t get  my ideas in your head and your clues in mine…
[20:19:13] <dardo82>	 so we are all  happy now,no?
[20:19:16] <dardo82>	 ^_^
[20:22:27] <dardo82>	 "I love it when a plan comes together." (cit.)
[20:22:39] <dardo82>	 don’t you?
[20:26:29] <yurik>	 ori-l_, around? (you always are)
[20:30:35] <dardo82>	 ok,bye…
[20:30:56] <dardo82>	 and thanks for all the fish…
[20:31:05] <dardo82>	 :-)
[20:44:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Not receiving notifications from template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48113 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[21:03:02] <Quentinv57>	 hi there. I was wondering if there is a limit somewhere (on Wikimedia websites) who prevents to go to another website with Ajax
[21:03:36] <Quentinv57>	 because I'm trying to send even a GET request to http://google.fr and all I get is an error
[21:03:44] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: this is a security feature of browsers
[21:03:44] <marktraceur>	 Quentinv57: What error?
[21:03:54] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_: Not with GET requests, with POSTs
[21:04:17] <MatmaRex_>	 marktraceur: no, with all requests. you can't AJAX to a different domain.
[21:04:21] <Quentinv57>	 marktraceur, $.ajax( error) function is called, that's all I know
[21:04:32] <MatmaRex_>	 marktraceur: you *can* load scripts from different domains, but that's a different thing.
[21:04:34] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, hmm... how can I do this else then ?
[21:04:43] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: you can't.
[21:04:58] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: you can "talk" between Wikimedia wikis thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing
[21:05:12] <MatmaRex_>	 but only because this has been explicitly enabled
[21:05:45] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, is this any other way I could call some external script with Javascript ?
[21:06:08] <Quentinv57>	 I want to make something simple for patrollers to send a report to an external website
[21:06:16] <Quentinv57>	 and it's the only way I found
[21:07:08] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: well, you can send data to anywhere
[21:07:14] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: you just can't receive any
[21:07:37] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, ah... true, thanks
[21:07:53] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: you could also not use AJAX, just redirect to some address, and have a website there that will redirect the user back
[21:08:08] <MatmaRex_>	 (or submit a HTML form to there)
[21:08:23] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, and if the site A loads a JS script on a site B, can the site A send Ajax request to PHP files on the site B ?
[21:09:19] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: you can refer to any scripts anywhere by creating a <script> element and adding it to the current page
[21:09:24] <MatmaRex_>	 (this is what importScript() does)
[21:09:33] <MatmaRex_>	 (or importScriptURI() )
[21:09:39] <Quentinv57>	 ope, not necessarily on a wiki
[21:09:51] <MatmaRex_>	 with cooperation from the other site, you can transfer arbitrary data both ways
[21:09:57] <Quentinv57>	 it makes me think about a chat project I'm codding yet
[21:10:15] <Quentinv57>	 the site A would include a JS of the site B, who will send Ajax requests to the site B
[21:10:18] <MatmaRex_>	 but 'cooperation' is the key here :)
[21:10:38] <Quentinv57>	 but the chat will be displayed on site A
[21:10:40] <Quentinv57>	 there won't be problem here, I hope ?
[21:10:40] <MatmaRex_>	 (same with CORS - site B has to explicitly allow site A to send ajax requests)
[21:11:13] <MatmaRex_>	 basically any AJAX or JavaScript communication between different domains is a fragile thing
[21:11:29] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, ah, it's to site B to allow site A... but I don't see where it could be a security issue, if the script is executed and the result just not forwarded to site A...
[21:11:30] <MatmaRex_>	 due to security restrictions
[21:11:45] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: AJAX requests have all of your cookies
[21:12:07] <MatmaRex_>	 Quentinv57: so I could AJAX to facebook.com, look at the result and suddenly know what the real name of anyone who visits my site is
[21:12:18] <MatmaRex_>	 as well as their interests, date of birth, friends, messages, ...
[21:12:23] <Quentinv57>	 ok, so it's site B who executes the script but refuses to give the answer ?
[21:12:42] <Quentinv57>	 and thanks, what you say is really interresting, I didn't think about this
[21:14:39] <MatmaRex_>	 it's the browser "intercepting" the requests and preventing the result from being shown to site A
[21:14:51] <MatmaRex_>	 even if the request itself goes through
[21:34:49] <Quentinv57>	 MatmaRex_, ok, thanks :)
[21:35:09] <Quentinv57>	 and do you know how an exception can be specified on the site B to allow this ?
[21:41:58] <Havvy>	 Can files be uploaded to subdirectories?  I.e.  File:Logos/chatzilla.png
[21:42:19] <legoktm>	 Havvy: Don't think so
[21:42:26] <legoktm>	 It's probably better to just use categories
[21:42:40] <Krinkle>	 MatmaRex_: Quentinv57: If you control both ends of the operation, a much cleaner approach (instead of redirecting back and forth) would be to use JSON-P which isn't subject to the same-origin security policy.
[21:43:02] <Havvy>	 legoktm: Categories wouldn't be helpful here.
[21:43:21] <Krinkle>	 jQuery implements support for it built-in. If AJAX isn't allowed it falls back to JSON-P (which is a <script> tag with javascript callback)
[21:43:24] <Havvy>	 Since I want to do some template magic.
[21:45:22] <Quentinv57>	 thanks Krinkle, and maybe you know how to allow Ajax operations if I control both domains ?
[21:45:52] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: technically they will no longer be AJAX, since that is disallowed (as previously said)
[21:46:13] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: What you do (or rather, what jQuery does for you) is making a request to the other server by adding  <script src=".."> tag
[21:46:18] <Krinkle>	 since it isn't AJAX, you can't read the response
[21:46:21] <Krinkle>	 so how to get the result?
[21:46:34] <Krinkle>	 You make the server on the other end output javascript (instead of plain JSON) that calls the callback function
[21:47:03] <Krinkle>	 This is widely known as "JSON-P" (JSON with padding - padding being the little bit of javascript around the JSON literal)
[21:47:15] <Krinkle>	 so instead of Response: {"foo":123}
[21:47:22] <Krinkle>	 you output callback({"foo":123})
[21:47:33] <Krinkle>	 I wrote a SO anwer on this, let me find it for you :)
[21:47:42] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: Note, if you're using MediaWiki, this is all done for you.
[21:47:47] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: Are you using MediaWiki on both ends?
[21:47:54] <Krinkle>	 (then I won't have to explain)
[21:49:16] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, nope, not in this situation
[21:49:30] <Quentinv57>	 I'm using a chat server, and a client
[21:49:35] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8811412/319266
[21:50:10] <Krinkle>	 then you call it like $.ajax( { url: ...., data: .... } ).done( function ( response ) { .. } );
[21:50:24] <Krinkle>	 jQuery will detect that the url is cross-domain and attempt JSON-P protocol.
[21:50:51] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, in fact, it's usnig "application/json" as a charset on the answer that is ok ?
[21:51:03] <Quentinv57>	 I also answer with a json encoding on the site B
[21:51:23] <Krinkle>	 Read the entire code snippet that I wrote there
[21:51:44] <Krinkle>	 you reply with application/json and the json as body - IF the request is for JSON
[21:52:03] <Krinkle>	 if the request is JSON-P you reply with text/javascript with the callack invocation as body
[21:52:50] <TheNotary>	 Is it possible to 'include' a section from article A in say article B, without needing to copy and paste each section, and periodically check that the section's haven't fallen out of sync due to subsequent edits?
[21:53:34] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, ah, I see now how it's done... :)
[21:53:55] <Quentinv57>	 but JSON does not work for cross domain, I necessarily have to use JSONP, allright ?
[21:55:13] <Dantman>	 blech JSON-P
[21:55:51] <Dantman>	 From a security perspective...that needs to die a fiery death!
[21:56:21] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: Indeed. Unless CORS is an option (depends on your browser support requirements). In which a regular AJAX/JSON request will work fine.
[21:56:35] <Krinkle>	 ... cross domain
[21:57:36] <TheNotary>	 nvm, using Templates
[21:58:25] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, sorru I didn't understand... for most browsers AJAX+JSON would be ok ?
[22:11:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Set $wgLogo to the URL.." in the default MediaWiki logo should be internationalized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43680  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:12:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Default MediaWiki logo should not be hard-coded "Set $wgLogo to...." text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43680  summary (10Krinkle)
[22:13:02] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57_: For most modern browsers AJAX+JSON *over CORS* works fine
[22:13:13] <Krinkle>	 plain AJAX+JSON never works cross-domain
[22:13:19] <Krinkle>	 with CORS it can, but that's relatively new
[22:13:33] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57_: JSON-P is easy to implement, especially if you already have a JSON server
[22:24:04] <Quentinv57_>	 Krinkle, I'm sorry, but I don't know what means CORS
[22:24:23] <Krinkle>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing
[22:24:44] <Quentinv57_>	 Krinkle, and CORS needs to be installed on the "site B" server ?
[22:24:59] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57_: It means the server you get the data for responds with Access-Control-Allow-Origin headers that indicate "site A" is allowed to ajax
[22:25:12] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: Yes
[22:25:56] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, I think I'd better install that, if not too complicated
[22:26:14] <Quentinv57>	 because I still don't understand the difference between JSON and JSONP :P
[22:26:39] <Krinkle>	 It isn't "installing" as much as using. You need to change the website to respond to certain HTTP headers according to the CORS protocol
[22:27:23] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: {"foo":123} = JSON; callback({"foo":123}); = javascript
[22:27:27] <Krinkle>	 the latter is JSON-P
[22:28:24] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: If the explaination here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8811412/319266 is not enough, I don't think you're going to get this to work with either CORS or JSON-P
[22:28:30] <Quentinv57>	 ah ok, in fact it's a kind of hack... you don't send Json text but a javascript file ?
[22:28:38] <Krinkle>	 exactly
[22:29:01] <Krinkle>	 a dynamically generated javascript file that is only 1 line: a function call passing an object literal.
[22:30:13] <Krinkle>	 jQuery.ajax( .. ).done( function ); The function passed to jQuery, jQuery temporarily puts in a global variable and passes its name to the json-p server
[22:30:25] <Krinkle>	 e.g. siteb.org/api.php?callback=jQuery1234252362
[22:30:31] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, last question : and on the JS side, I can keep the .ajax() request as it was, without any change ?
[22:30:38] <Krinkle>	 then siteb is supposed to respond with text/javascript: jQuery1234252362({data})
[22:30:48] <Quentinv57>	 yes, I just change this to send the callback then ?
[22:30:57] <Quentinv57>	 no more changes needed ?
[22:31:07] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8811412/319266
[22:31:15] <Krinkle>	 be sure to sanitize the callback
[22:31:25] <Krinkle>	 and only do the callback + text/javascript is callback is set
[22:31:58] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: It depends on your exact code, but in most cases jQuery.ajax is the same for JSON and JSON-P 
[22:35:56] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, ok :)
[22:36:09] <Quentinv57>	 I just wonder why the callback should be satanised
[22:36:20] <Quentinv57>	 what are the security issues with this ?
[22:36:39] <Quentinv57>	 I understand it could do something wrong to the client, but to the server ? :/
[22:43:40] <Amgine>	 +1 Quentinv57 for satanised.
[22:44:40] <Elecbullet>	 Hi. Template input shall be an integer number X.  Any eloquently-coded way then to display X iterations of a string? {{Template|4}} would yield stringstringstringstring
[22:45:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [INTERLANG] Rectangle visible in MonoBook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47967  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:45:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [INTERLANG] Change "In other languages" to "Languages" if there are no interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47972  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:45:51] <Quentinv57>	 Amgine, I should really really go to bed :/
[22:46:04] <Amgine>	 <grins> But it's *so* suitable!
[22:46:15] <Quentinv57>	 Krinkle, thanks a lot for helping me, and sorry for not being a JS expert :/
[22:46:18] <Amgine>	 "Yes, I satanised the user input...."
[22:46:24] <Quentinv57>	 xD
[22:46:27] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: {{#ifexpr:{{{1}}}>0|string}}{{#ifexpr:{{{1}}}>1|string}}...{{#ifexpr:{{{1}}}>99|string}}
[22:46:29] <Krinkle>	 Quentinv57: No worries :)
[22:46:46] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: (no, seriously, that's the only way. unless you install some weird extensions.)
[22:46:52] <Quentinv57>	 Amgine, in fact I said myself that "sanitize" sounds like "satanize"... till I definitely wrote it x)
[22:46:58] <Elecbullet>	 I was thinking about casing it
[22:47:05] <Elecbullet>	 |1=string
[22:47:07] <Elecbullet>	 |2=stringstring
[22:47:26] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: basically, wikitext has no loops
[22:47:41] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: you might be able to somehow about {{padleft:, too
[22:47:43] <Amgine>	 <whisper>yet</whisper>
[22:47:46] <Havvy>	 FR: Bounded loops.
[22:48:03] <Elecbullet>	 Ehe what?
[22:48:14] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: {{padleft:|string|18}} should yield stringstringstring
[22:48:21] <MatmaRex_>	 unless i messed up the parameter order
[22:48:26] <MatmaRex_>	 or forgot how it works
[22:48:47] <Elecbullet>	 The string by the way is actually just a character
[22:48:51] <Havvy>	 Anybody else hate wikicode?
[22:49:15] <Amgine>	 !e Scribunto | Havvy
[22:49:15] <wm-bot>	 Havvy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
[22:49:34] <Havvy>	 When Scribunto accepts JS, I'll use it.
[22:49:48] <Havvy>	 (Seriously...just hook up a Node.js server....)
[22:50:07] <Elecbullet>	 {{padright:_|*}} should yield ***** right?
[22:50:09] <legoktm>	 You can actually do some pretty powerful things with Scribunto
[22:50:13] <Dantman>	 Havvy: Node.js is not sandboxed. That would be a security vulnerability.
[22:50:18] <Elecbullet>	 Because that actually will work exquisitely
[22:50:23] <Havvy>	 You can sandbox Node.js
[22:51:37] <MatmaRex_>	 Elecbullet: the sytnax is, i think, {{padleft:some string|string to pad it with|length to pad to}}
[22:51:51] <MatmaRex_>	 sorry, the last two are in reverse order, actually
[22:51:58] <MatmaRex_>	 so for example you can zero-pad a number
[22:52:11] <MatmaRex_>	 {{padleft:9|3|0}} will yield 009
[22:52:22] <Elecbullet>	 I don't even need any character in particular I just need a string that is X characters long lols
[22:52:48] <MatmaRex_>	 you can leave the first parameter empty
[22:52:56] <Elecbullet>	 I always come on here with the most delicious silly requests
[22:52:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Link insertion annotation makes it difficult to add plain text after a link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48114 normal; VisualEditor: Data Model; ()
[22:56:21] <Dantman>	 Havvy: The reason Lua was picked over JS is Lua is designed to be embedded and sandboxed. You can restrict memory, execution time, etc... and you can sandbox/restrict execution time not by time but by execution steps. ie: You can make it so that even while sandboxed the same code will always work if it is meant to work and always fail if it's meant to fail. You won't get code that fails sometimes and works other times because of differences in how lo
[22:56:44] <Havvy>	 in how lo...
[22:56:52] <legoktm>	 I feel like there's an article discussing this somewhere.
[22:57:14] <legoktm>	 found it
[22:57:15] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sumanah/Lua_vs_Javascript
[22:57:18] <legoktm>	 Havvy: ^
[22:57:20] <Elecbullet>	 Y'all are using words too big for me ): ):
[22:59:32] <Havvy>	 But yeah, I understand why you would choose Lua as an initial language.
[23:04:16] <Elecbullet>	 Sooooo. Any chance of me padright'ing with a space as the padding o3o
[23:09:12] <Havvy>	 Why is there no {{#contains:}} in ParserFunctions?  :(
[23:10:03] <legoktm>	 Havvy: What do you mean?
[23:10:17] <Havvy>	 {{#contains: xyz | y | true | false }}
[23:10:48] <Dantman>	 Havvy: Probably the same reason that PHP doesn't have an in_string... You can already do it with #pos
[23:11:44] <Havvy>	 Yeah...I invariably end up writing a contains? function quite often.
[23:14:27] <Havvy>	 Though a contains? function doesn't buy me much in MediaWiki...I might as well just inline it.
[23:37:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Gerrit does no longer inform change reviewers via email about new patch sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48115 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; ()
[23:37:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gerrit does no longer inform change reviewers via email about new patch sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48115  (10christian)
[23:41:57] <Havvy>	 If I have a set of templates, how can I format them to just plop them into a wiki? As a package or something.