[00:09:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia: Translation of namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574  +comment (10umar.dagirov)
[00:59:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Cross-wiki watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3525  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[01:01:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) A minor error in tables.sql still exist. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48608 normal; MediaWiki: Database; ()
[01:02:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) A minor error in tables.sql still exist. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48608  +comment (10zoglun)
[01:02:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) A minor error in maintenance/tables.sql still exist. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48608  summary (10zoglun)
[01:06:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) A minor error in maintenance/tables.sql still exist. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48608   +easy (10MZMcBride)
[01:51:30] <aboSamoor>	 I am trying to parse Wikimedia markup and I noticed that images could have different tags depending on language for English "File" and for German "Datei", is that expected how to deal with this issue to support any language?
[01:53:58] <Susan>	 Don't try to parse wikimarkup.
[01:54:03] <Susan>	 There's a parse module in the MediaWiki API.
[01:54:05] <Susan>	 Use that. :-)
[01:54:13] <Susan>	 There's also a module to extract image links.
[01:54:26] <Susan>	 What are you trying to do, aboSamoor?
[01:56:30] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Well, I am doing research to build classifiers for 100+ language, I am using bliki engine to parse wikipedia dumps. I do not network-based processing is an option here.
[01:57:16] <Susan>	 Bliki? Heh.
[01:57:29] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Bliki works fine, till I use another language where people use different names for tags like "Image" or "File". I was so surprised, that it is allowed, as usually markup languages are expressed in one lanuage "English".
[01:57:57] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Bliki --> Java library to parse Wikipedia markup.
[01:58:11] <Susan>	 Markup is partially localized.
[01:58:17] <Susan>	 "File" is a namespace name.
[01:58:18] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: :'(
[01:58:26] <Susan>	 This is a feature, not a bug. ;-)
[01:58:39] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: where can I find the mappings between all languages tags?
[01:58:39] <Susan>	 Namespaces are high-level content separators within MediaWiki.
[01:58:45] <Susan>	 In what format?
[01:58:51] <Susan>	 They're in the PHP MediaWiki code.
[01:59:00] <Susan>	 But they're also available in the MediaWiki API, I think.
[01:59:17] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: can you link me?
[02:00:00] <Susan>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=tree;f=languages/messages;h=628f7122ba1282c080d4fb19801a814aa075bd0a;hb=a232f2c105b6b466949fe0b347efa1635fba782e
[02:00:16] <Susan>	 For example, inside MessagesDe.php, you can see...
[02:00:24] <Susan>	   78 $namespaceNames = array(
[02:00:25] <Susan>	   79         NS_MEDIA            => 'Medium',
[02:00:25] <Susan>	   80         NS_SPECIAL          => 'Spezial',
[02:02:10] <Susan>	 On a per-site basis, you'd look at (for example) https://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases&format=jsonfm
[02:05:41] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Thanks.
[02:06:03] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: if you are involved with mediawiki project, I would like to share my frustration.
[02:06:34] <Susan>	 Sure, you can vent here. :-)
[02:06:40] <Susan>	 But before you do...
[02:07:16] <Susan>	 I'll remind you that MediaWiki an open-source project that's nearly ten years old. It's been hacked upon by people with varying levels of understanding of both English and PHP. And it runs one of the most popular Web sites in the world.
[02:07:26] <Susan>	 Your turn. :-)
[02:08:37] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: I am a researcher for 3 years now, and I managed many students to do several taskk with Wikipedia. It is so great resource.
[02:08:59] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: However, there are couple of milestones where people get lost
[02:09:55] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Every researcher get to meet this page at some stage or another http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers
[02:11:13] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: this page is actually is sufficient to waster your time for a year or so. So many projects that none of them do the work right. The problem is that Wikimedia only consider one implementation for parsing their markup that actually is not popular.
[02:12:35] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: we can not actually find students who know php nowadays. I understand re-writing the whole thing is so hard. However, having a small lexical analyzer of the wiki-markup in (J)(F)lex should not be impossible.
[02:13:24] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: I understand this is an open source project, but we are also as researchers struggle a lot. Only big companies can take advantages of Wikipedia, as small teams can not deal with the complexities of its formats.
[02:13:36] <Reedy_>	 wikitext isn't formally definable
[02:13:37] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: and that makes me sad and frustrated.
[02:13:49] <Krenair>	 <aboSamoor> I am trying to parse Wikimedia markup
[02:13:58] <Krenair>	 <aboSamoor> Susan: Bliki --> Java library to parse Wikipedia markup.
[02:14:00] <aboSamoor>	 Reedy: That makes things worse
[02:14:09] <Krenair>	 You probably should read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki
[02:14:10] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[02:14:12] <Reedy>	 Or almost impossible
[02:14:33] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: Thanks for listening, I am just so frustrated.
[02:15:18] <Susan>	 aboSamoor: Are you familiar with the Parsoid project? :-)
[02:15:29] <Susan>	 aboSamoor: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid
[02:16:49] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: no, checking ...
[02:23:07] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: how much this project is mature? I am downloading the source code to try it? Is it ready?
[02:27:21] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: do you think tags will be localized in the HTML version?
[02:34:37] <Susan>	 aboSamoor: It's in active development.
[02:34:48] <Susan>	 It's a Wikimedia Foundation project with substantial technical support.
[02:34:55] <Susan>	 aboSamoor: You can join #mediawiki-parsoid for more info.
[02:35:07] <Susan>	 The folks in there are usually around Monday through Friday during PST business hours.
[02:35:20] <marktraceur>	 I'm around now, if you have questions immediately :)
[02:35:23] <Susan>	 So... not on a Saturday night. But otherwise they're around and very helpful. ;-)
[02:35:30] <Susan>	 Oh, hah.
[02:35:31] <marktraceur>	 Aw, thanks Susan
[02:35:40] <Susan>	 :-)
[02:36:46] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: Tags like <syntaxhighlight> or so? We do localisation for namespaces and parser functions, but extension tags aren't currently done. There's an open bug, I think.
[02:37:32] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: well, I think I ran into more basic issue, this is the caption of an image "thumb|right|250px|Ang Kalye Cabildo sa"
[02:37:49] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: it seems adding the attributes to the caption
[02:38:13] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: There's a patch in the review pipeline that fixes a lot of image stuff
[02:38:44] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57817
[02:38:56] <Susan>	 Yeah... file inclusion syntax is an abomination.
[02:39:08] <Susan>	 We should issue an official MediaWiki apology for that.
[02:39:53] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: I see. will an attribute describing that the link is an image will be added? I only see "rel="mw:WikiLink"?
[02:40:40] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: well, I was actually complaining about the localalization of the tags as it makes writing software way harder, hope that the HTML attributes will be unified with extra ones for localization
[02:43:44] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: What do you mean by tags?
[02:44:08] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: And we do something like <span typeof="mw:Image"> to signify images
[02:44:24] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: currently, in the markup Datei and File could be used for both German and English.
[02:44:39] <marktraceur>	 Oh huh
[02:44:41] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: none of the 3rd party tools I used support multilingual setup
[02:44:41] <RAN1_out>	 Passive question, does anyone here know when VisualEditor will get image and template support? Will it be right as the beta comes out in June?
[02:45:25] <p858snake|l>	 If anyone objects to me deleting the extension pages for these extensions, Which have had security warnings for over 1 year and replace them with "This has been deleted due to security issues etc etc" warning, object now or forever hold your peace: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Peachey88/Sandbox/22
[02:45:30] <marktraceur>	 RAN1: Image support is nearly ready, we'll enable it soon-ish. I think template support is coming up too, but I'm not sure how quickly. gwicke_away is the one working on it.
[02:46:06] <RAN1>	 Cool, sounds great. Can't wait for that to come out.
[02:46:08] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: We deal with Datei: and Fichier: and all the localised namespaces just fine, depending on per-wiki configuration
[02:48:22] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: yeah, Susan mentioned that. The problem for me, I am trying to deal with all wikipedia languages, 3rd party tools do not use the localized namespaces. I am trying to figure out a way before modifying one of them to support as this is not a trivial issue.
[02:49:16] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: if the HTML version will have canonical attribute/tag that I can search for, that would make it way easier for supporting all languages.
[02:49:56] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: Then yeah, typeof="mw:Image" should do it
[02:51:00] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: and that will not be called in the German one typeof="mw:Datie" or something similar, sorry for asking twice.
[02:51:07] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: just to make sure
[02:52:19] <marktraceur>	 aboSamoor: No, it won't
[02:52:31] <aboSamoor>	 marktraceur: great :)
[02:52:59] <aboSamoor>	 Susan: marktraceur thank you again very much, the discussion was helpful.
[02:53:22] <marktraceur>	 *nod* ta
[03:02:43] <Elecbullet>	 So, when you make changes on UserRights, it returns you to UserRights, with no success message or anything. If you have removed your OWN rights, then it brings you to UserRights, but gives a "Permissions error", which confuses users into thinking no changes have been made
[03:03:01] <Elecbullet>	 y'all think it'd be a good idea to implement some sort of "you successfully changed XXX's rights" message?
[03:11:42] <Susan>	 aboSamoor: Useful discussions are certainly better than the other kind. No problem. :-)  And please remember that MediaWiki.org is a wiki. If you see something that's really wrong, feel free to fix it!
[03:33:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) UserRights confusing when removing own rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48609 minor; MediaWiki: Special pages; ()
[03:33:47] <Elecbullet>	 :3
[03:46:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UserRights confusing error message when removing own rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48609  summary (10Stephen Lafleur)
[03:52:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor, CodeEditor, editing page source directly user experience - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48610 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; ()
[04:02:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Show grid status in Ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48338  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[04:45:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard broken in Opera 12.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48091  +comment (10nischayn22)
[04:46:47] <Nischayn22|Away>	 Does anyone know how to add scripts into head node?
[04:47:08] <Nischayn22|Away>	 for body 	$this->getOutput()->addScript() is used
[06:59:04] <liangent>	 where's the script controlling the class="collapsible" feature of <li id="ca-history" class="collapsible" ?
[07:02:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Internal error: Could not determine if the copy succeeded. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43967  +comment (10nischayn22)
[07:19:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can't upload more than one file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46845  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[07:21:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) QUnit tests: Missing expert destruction leads to failing tests when resourceloaderdebug is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48611 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[07:28:11] <Nikerabbit>	 plop
[07:34:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) mwe-upwiz-license-cc-zero: Parse error at position 28 ... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47132   +i18n (10Nischay Nahata)
[07:34:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-signaturetimestamp-result: Parse error at position 19 in input: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42107   +i18n (10Nischay Nahata)
[07:38:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) IE7/test2wiki: "Syntax error" upon clicking UW link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42922  +comment (10nischayn22)
[07:46:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Commons' UploadWizard shows wrong thumbnail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44772  +comment (10nischayn22)
[07:50:50] <harej>	 Hi.  I have a wiki that uses re-captcha for account registrations, but that hasn't deterred a great number of spam bots from registering.  Are there newer and better ways to keep the spam bots out?
[07:54:44] <Susan>	 Proving deterrence can be difficult.
[07:55:19] <harej>	 I can prove the deterrence rate is lower than 100%.
[07:56:00] <harej>	 Even if it is 95%, I am wondering if there is something better than the re-captcha we currently use.
[07:57:15] <Susan>	 !spam
[07:57:15] <wm-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[07:57:42] <Susan>	 Perhaps the AbuseFilter would help?
[07:57:46] <Susan>	 It depends what your goal is.
[08:04:03] <harej>	 AbuseFilter could be useful
[08:23:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) mwe-upwiz-license-cc-zero: Parse error at position 28 ... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47132  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:50:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation from 2.4.x CVS to the latest version (3.2.6) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  +comment (10me)
[09:03:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) mwe-upwiz-license-cc-zero: Parse error at position 28 (<br /> unsupported) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47132  -testme ; summary (10Nemo)
[09:08:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Campaigns: Add option to mark second ID as optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48612 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[10:14:53] <JamEngulfer>	 I'm having a really weird issue with my Wiki
[10:16:09] <JamEngulfer>	 I'm trying to embed a table defined by a template into a page. When I click 'save' I can see it on the page, but when I go to edit it again, the code for the table disappears
[10:35:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard broken in Opera 12.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48091  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[10:39:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor, CodeEditor, editing page source directly user experience - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48610  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[11:09:48] <JamEngulfer>	 I'm trying to embed a table defined by a template into a page. When I click 'save' I can see it on the page, but when I go to edit it again, the code for the table disappears. Any idea why?
[11:10:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[11:10:29] <petan>	 MatmaRex it's back
[11:10:31] <petan>	 !ping
[11:10:31] <wm-bot>	 Pong.
[11:11:00] <MatmaRex>	 petan: liangent: yay
[11:14:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Search and replace not working for lookahead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48614  +comment (10Platonides)
[11:18:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Search and replace not working for lookahead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48614  +comment (10Platonides)
[12:03:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) SpecialPreferences: <p> should not be inside <strong> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33438  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[12:35:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Aramaic WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47229  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[12:46:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Chechen Wikipedia: Translation of namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47574  +comment (10tomasz)
[12:53:45] <JasonLewis>	 Hey guys, is there a way to use external stylesheets (Google webfonts) with the ResourceLoader?
[13:00:39] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Aramaic WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47229  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:18:17] <Nischayn22|Away>	 Krenair: Thanks that was helpful
[13:18:35] <Nischayn22|Away>	 I had no idea its a difference to use var or to not use it
[13:19:19] <Krenair>	 I meant do stuff like ( new mw.Api ).post( ... etc.
[13:19:29] <Krenair>	 instead of var api = new mw.Api; api.post( ... etc.
[13:20:25] <Nischayn22|Away>	 the var is only in the function scope right?
[13:20:41] <Nischayn22|Away>	 Krenair: In that case it won't matter much
[13:20:45] <Krenair>	 no it won't
[13:20:50] <Krenair>	 it's just my preference :p
[13:21:42] <Nischayn22|Away>	 I think var api = new mw.Api() is simpler to read
[13:28:17] <aboSamoor>	 [6~
[13:43:52] <JasonLewis>	 How is the Linker class supposed to work? Say I want to have a custom menu for my skin, can I use Linker::link('Page title') to generate the HTML? Doesn't seem to be working for me.
[13:45:00] <MatmaRex>	 !class Linker
[13:45:00] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classLinker.html
[13:45:08] <MatmaRex>	 i think it has a bunch of methods for linking
[13:45:33] <MatmaRex>	 JasonDC: the first argument has to be a Title
[13:45:37] <MatmaRex>	 argh
[13:45:39] <MatmaRex>	 JasonLewis: ^
[13:45:41] <JasonLewis>	 Yeah I'm looking at the class
[13:45:42] <MatmaRex>	 !class Title
[13:45:42] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classTitle.html
[13:46:49] <MatmaRex>	 JasonLewis: you probably want Title::newFromText
[13:46:53] <JasonLewis>	 Ah, so I'd use Title::makeTitle() or something?
[13:46:56] <JasonLewis>	 ah newFromText
[13:46:57] <JasonLewis>	 cool
[13:47:14] <JasonLewis>	 Cheers guys. Rolling a custom skin. :)
[13:47:32] <MatmaRex>	 JasonLewis: so the entire thing would be Linker::link( Title::newFromText( 'Page title' ) )
[13:47:41] <MatmaRex>	 (probably. ;) )
[13:47:48] <JasonLewis>	 :D
[13:47:51] <JasonLewis>	 See how we go.
[13:47:52] <JasonLewis>	 Thanks
[13:48:22] <JasonLewis>	 Works beautifully.
[14:10:39] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard broken in Opera 12.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48091  +comment (10nischayn22)
[14:13:05] <MatmaRex>	 !wg EmailNotificationSystembeep
[14:13:06] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailNotificationSystembeep
[14:13:20] <MatmaRex>	 awww man, no docs for it?
[14:14:31] <MatmaRex>	 why did we kill such a fine option? :D
[14:15:19] <MatmaRex>	 !wg ShowUpdatedMarker
[14:15:19] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowUpdatedMarker
[14:29:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Submitted RevDel form should have reason submitted prefilled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48508   +easy +patch-in-gerrit (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[14:29:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Submitted RevDel form should have reason submitted prefilled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48508  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[14:34:19] <cronix2>	 Who The hell
[14:34:28] <cronix2>	 invented mediawiki's templating / skin system?
[14:34:40] <thedj>	 hehe
[14:34:41] <cronix2>	 someone please bitchslap that guy / 
[14:34:56] <cronix2>	 i mean, common, what the hell?
[14:35:56] <thedj>	 i'm not sure it was a concious decision by one person.
[14:36:22] <cronix2>	 well its bad
[14:36:33] <cronix2>	 ive had about 15 minutes of contact with the skin system
[14:36:37] <cronix2>	 and i already hate it
[14:36:59] <thedj>	 jus subclass vector or monobook and only change the css
[14:37:30] <cronix2>	 nope
[14:37:47] <cronix2>	 i want to completely redesign mediawiki into a 3 column 3 row template
[14:38:10] <cronix2>	 so i need a whole new template
[14:38:15] <thedj>	 then subclass SkinTemplate and get your world of hurt :D
[14:38:22] <cronix2>	 but why is the templating that bad? ;C
[14:38:34] <thedj>	 cronix2: that part was never designed as a 'template'
[14:38:50] <cronix2>	 mhm
[14:39:15] <thedj>	 cronix2: wherever you now see tpl in the data structure of templates, all of that was sort of tacked on later.
[14:39:15] <cronix2>	 any other wiki alternatives out there which tightly integrate into phpbb and have a decent templating engine included for skinning purposes?
[14:41:29] <thedj>	 also, our skins contain a lot of UI (because MW is complex), a lot of i18n and bi directional capabilities for languages and strict script and stylesheet managment.
[14:49:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Use a context of [[Special:RevisionDelete]] even if the page is accessed from title=PageName&action=revisiondelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48616 normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; ()
[14:51:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Commons' UploadWizard shows wrong thumbnail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44772  (10jsayre64)
[15:03:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Implement Wikipedia mobile site on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48617 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; ()
[15:10:04] <JasonLewis>	 Is there any way to pull the table of contents for the current page (if there are any) from within a skin?
[15:11:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Image uploading social workflow and motivation - display result on context pages! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33234  +comment (10flominator)
[15:16:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Fonts in IE6/7 too big when scaling font size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24515  (10entlinkt)
[15:20:24] <ashley>	 JasonLewis: the Linker class (includes/Linker.php) has some toc* methods like generateTOC() and whatnot but I'm not sure if they're of any use to you; what are you trying to accomplish, out of curiosity?
[15:21:32] <JasonLewis>	 ashley: Trying to pull the TOC from a page and display it in a sidebar.
[15:21:48] <JasonLewis>	 I can do it with some CSS/JS trickery
[15:22:12] <ashley>	 I'm thinking that Skizzerz (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Skizzerz) *might* know a bit more about ToC stuff than most folks, so you could drop him a line and see if he knows a more elegant (heh, as if there's any elegance in MW's clusterfuck of a skin system :D) solution to your issue
[15:22:13] <JasonLewis>	 But would prefer an alternative.
[15:22:33] <JasonLewis>	 ashley: Cheers :P
[15:24:12] <ashley>	 chances are that you'll end up cursing everything and everyone while working on your code, but don't worry, that's the standard reaction by everyone who has to touch skin stuff (even me, and I've been messing around with that for a bit longer than most folks)
[15:25:13] <JasonLewis>	 Yeah I must admit it's a bit of a pain when you stray too far off the beaten track, so to speak.
[15:25:35] <JasonLewis>	 I could whip it up and have it looking much like a standard wiki site. But I want to make it a little more custom. Which itself is proving to be a little difficult.
[15:26:14] <JasonLewis>	 ashley: do you know if you can get the Parser instance used to parse the page?
[15:31:36] <MatmaRex>	 JasonLewis: would it be acceptable to do it in JS? because that would be trivial
[15:31:41] <MatmaRex>	 i assume it wouldn't, eh.
[15:31:49] <MatmaRex>	 wouldn't be acceptable*
[15:32:35] <MatmaRex>	 JasonLewis: the "proper" way to do this would be to get an HTML parser, parse the page body, and rip out the element with id=toc
[15:32:54] <MatmaRex>	 or at least as proper as it gets...
[15:33:39] <JasonLewis>	 MatmaRex: I can do it with JS and have done it. It works fine, just looks strange because everything shuffles around once the page fully loads.
[15:33:54] <JasonLewis>	 But if it's going to be a pain to do it any other way I can settle with that.
[15:35:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Search result on Commons does not contain search term - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48573  +comment (10Peter James)
[15:39:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[15:40:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Remove wgArticleRobotPolicies from InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48478  +comment (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[15:47:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) gerrit: swap CR / V columns in dashboard view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45038  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[15:48:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Remove wgArticleRobotPolicies from InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48478  +comment (10krenair)
[15:48:57] <liangent>	 generally should I +1 or -1 a changeset if it's better than nothing, but worse than a perfect one?
[15:51:28] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Auto-selection covers adjacent text over punctuation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48487  +comment (10James Forrester)
[15:52:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Paste is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48602  +comment (10James Forrester)
[15:54:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: [Regression] Cursor should move to end of inserted contents after paste - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48603  normal->minor (10James Forrester)
[15:54:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Selecting and copying one node throws an exception - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48604  (10James Forrester)
[15:55:28] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Empty annotations are dropped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48605  (10James Forrester)
[15:55:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[15:55:55] <MatmaRex>	 liangent: depends on whether you care enough to point out the issues :P
[15:57:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For edit summary field, use textbox rather than textarea so users can use browser memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48274  +comment (10James Forrester)
[15:59:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10matma.rex)
[15:59:08] <liangent>	 MatmaRex: so +1 with nothing or -1 with some comments?
[15:59:56] <MatmaRex>	 probably
[16:00:18] <MatmaRex>	 liangent: if these are minor things like code conventions, etc, you could probably just fix them yourself
[16:00:26] <MatmaRex>	 in a new patchset, or in another changeset
[16:00:47] <MatmaRex>	 liangent: this just might be simpler for both you and the patch owner
[16:00:49] <MatmaRex>	 ;
[16:00:50] <MatmaRex>	 :)
[16:02:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10peter.krautzberger)
[16:03:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) gerrit: swap CR / V columns in dashboard view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45038  (10christian)
[16:03:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Bad diff from seeming noop VisualEditor usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48427  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[16:06:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Aramaic WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47229  +comment (10bashar.hanna)
[16:07:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Remove wgArticleRobotPolicies from InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48478  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[16:10:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor expanding image links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48596  +comment (10James Forrester)
[16:10:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Parsoid: Image links are interpreted as image inclusions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48387  +comment (10James Forrester)
[16:12:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Retries when badtoken happened should request new tokens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42984  (10James Forrester)
[16:21:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Empty annotations are dropped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48605  +comment (10esanders)
[16:25:01] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[16:27:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor doesn't support section editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48429  +comment (10jforrester)
[16:30:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Use a context of [[Special:RevisionDelete]] even if the page is accessed from title=PageName&action=revisiondelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48616   +easy +patch-in-gerrit (10Alex Monk (Krenair))
[16:30:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Use a context of [[Special:RevisionDelete]] even if the page is accessed from title=PageName&action=revisiondelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48616   +easy +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[16:30:35] <Krenair>	 I think I made gerrit have an edit conflict with me? o.O
[16:32:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Parsoid: Image links are interpreted as image inclusions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48387  +comment (10b)
[16:32:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) InstantCommons broken for some images: Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32387  +comment (10federicoleva)
[16:35:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Use a context of [[Special:RevisionDelete]] even if the page is accessed from title=PageName&action=revisiondelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48616  +comment (10liangent)
[16:37:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Store Commons path in a variable in InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48618 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[16:39:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Store Commons path in a variable in InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48618  +comment (10sam)
[16:43:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Implement Wikipedia mobile site on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48617  +comment (10brion)
[16:48:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) CentralAuth wikiset manager complains about pa_uswikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46746  +comment (10mfwarburg)
[16:51:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10matma.rex)
[16:58:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can't upload more than one file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46845  +comment (10jacklee)
[17:01:05] <balasankarc>	 Hi all, I've got a doubt regarding Special:Export and djvu files. Can anyone help me?
[17:02:21] <balasankarc>	 I am using Proofread Page extension in my wiki. I want to export a file, index page related to it, and all the pages in the "Page" Namespace generated from that index page along with their revision histories. Is it possible?
[17:04:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) InstantCommons broken for some images: Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32387  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[17:15:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:16:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10matma.rex)
[17:21:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10zhorishna)
[17:22:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Options form at the top of Special:Watchlist needs cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48615  +comment (10Isarra)
[17:29:19] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Non existent user subpages should return 404 (again) instead of 200 response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46491  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[17:33:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can't upload more than one file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46845  +comment (10nischayn22)
[17:34:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can't upload more than one file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46845  (10Nischay Nahata)
[17:41:02] <dbolser>	 hello
[17:41:31] <dbolser>	 does anyone have push rights to gerrit?
[17:41:38] <dbolser>	 or only devs?
[17:41:54] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: anyone can submit a patch for review
[17:42:05] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: but only certain people can actually merge it into master
[17:42:18] <dbolser>	 MatmaRex: I have a patch for an extension, but it's three atomic comits
[17:42:27] <dbolser>	 just wondering how to contribute that history
[17:43:01] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: you can submit multiple commits at once, they will be set as dependent on each other, and will be reviewed separately
[17:43:08] <MatmaRex>	 !git
[17:43:08] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki development is using git, a distributed source control manager, starting on March 21st, 2012; details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_happens Instructions for using it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow To get an account: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Labsconsole_accounts
[17:43:38] <dbolser>	 MatmaRex: I suould get an account?
[17:43:43] * dbolser  goes to read

[17:43:50] <MatmaRex>	 yup
[18:02:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Search and replace not working for lookahead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48614  +comment (10riley.liam)
[18:06:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:13:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[18:26:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Booleans not sortable in template format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48591  +comment (10bugzilla)
[18:27:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Non existent user subpages should return 404 (again) instead of 200 response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46491  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[18:32:10] <Raylton>	 Reedy, When you have time you can take a look here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/64460/ ? 
[18:32:24] <Raylton>	 please 
[18:34:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Booleans not sortable in template format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48591  +comment (10bugzilla)
[18:36:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Malayalam, Hindi, and Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[18:40:23] <Reedy>	 Raylton: Sure, I try to process changesets in gerrit within a couple of days or so
[18:41:19] <Raylton>	 Reedy, Thank you :) 
[18:45:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Database runs amok after using Special:Import - Apache and MySQL use full CPU - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44106  +comment (10dasch)
[18:50:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Non existent user subpages should return 404 (again) instead of 200 response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46491  +comment (10hoo)
[18:54:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Booleans not sortable in template format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48591  +comment (10bugzilla)
[18:59:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Search and replace not working for lookahead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48614  +comment (10riley.liam)
[19:00:16] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, do the Wikimedia Foundation sites have anything for the EU Cookie Law (I'm assuming there are cookies on wmf sites somewhere :P) ?
[19:03:47] <MatmaRex>	 Lcawte: no. no cookies laws in 'Merica!
[19:03:58] <MatmaRex>	 (or at least that's what i assume is the reasoning)
[19:05:18] <Lcawte>	 I think I read somewhere that it applies to any sites operating within the EU or something... its been a while since I looked into it :/
[19:10:15] <richtroye>	 Hi, is there a good way in python to grab a wikipedia page that is gzip-encoded, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/metaphysics ?
[19:10:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Malayalam, Hindi, and Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[19:12:34] <thedj>	 Lcawte: it's in our disclaimer (although that does not satisfy the laws i think)
[19:12:46] <thedj>	 for anon users, as far as I know, we shouldn't have cookies
[19:13:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10mflaschen)
[19:13:31] <Vulpix>	 richtroye: It's gzip-encoded if you have an "Accept-Encoding=gzip, deflate" header on the request
[19:13:33] <thedj>	 although I believe that the a/b testing might use session cookies
[19:14:29] <thedj>	 Lcawte: so yes, officially, we are likely breaking EU laws. Practically, no one cares.
[19:14:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [Lockdown] wgActionLockdown gives incorrect error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48619 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; ()
[19:14:53] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, well, I'm not particularly worried about WMF sites, just wondering if they'd come up with a solution / extension or something that ShoutWiki could use since we're UK based and we should probably comply with this stuff :/
[19:15:31] <Vulpix>	 Or just wait, since UK wants to leave the EU :)
[19:15:48] <Lcawte>	 Haha, if only that debate was that simple...
[19:16:20] <richtroye>	 I see that I'm using python's urllib module ... I'll inspect there to see what I can do.  Thanks, Vulpix 
[19:16:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [Lockdown] wgActionLockdown gives incorrect error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48619  +comment (10mah)
[19:16:33] <thedj>	 Lcawte: in that case, add a disclaimer to MediaWiki:loginstart
[19:16:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Math extension doesn't support many languages including Malayalam, Hindi, and Tamil - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48032  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[19:16:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Many character sets don't work in texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/798  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[19:17:24] <Lcawte>	 Some people want to hang around and see if the EU fixes itself, or if we can be exempt from half their crap, and everyone else wants out... also, technically its UK law, since the EU said it had to be put into legislation by <cutoff date />, and I doubt if we leave it'll be top of their agenda...
[19:17:46] <odder>	 Lcawte: are you sure this law really is about all sites operating in the EU?
[19:18:01] <odder>	 wouldn't it rather apply to all companies which are HQ in the EU?
[19:18:33] <Lcawte>	 thedj: We've got AdSense & Analytics (self-hosted Piwik) cookies as well :L
[19:18:34] <thedj>	 no, that's a US approach :D
[19:18:35] <odder>	 I mean—I haven't seen those stupid 'Press OK if you agree with our cookie policy or else get lost' banners on Google sites
[19:18:44] <Reedy>	  ^
[19:18:49] <thedj>	 in EU we don't really care about where the company is located :D
[19:19:06] <odder>	 And Google has loads of offices in the EU
[19:19:06] <Reedy>	 everything is verboten
[19:19:07] <Lcawte>	 But since when did Google care about laws other than those in the US? :P
[19:19:15] <dbolser>	 where do I put my ssh.pub on wikitech?
[19:19:20] <thedj>	 Lcawte: well then you need to build your own I think. 
[19:19:22] <Lcawte>	 Actually, Google has cookie notifications on the bottom of YouTube for one...
[19:19:36] <thedj>	 the funny thing is that you need a cookie, in order to keep track if someone dismissed the notice :D
[19:19:43] <Reedy>	 dbolser: Why?
[19:19:46] <Lcawte>	 Oh, and Google.com... anyway, I'm not a lawyer, just looking for a solution :P
[19:19:51] <dbolser>	 Reedy: to submit a patch
[19:20:17] <odder>	 Lcawte: move your wiki (company?) to Scotland and pray for a yes vote?
[19:20:19] <dbolser>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Getting_started # don't say
[19:20:21] <Reedy>	 dbolser: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-openstack
[19:20:30] <dbolser>	 Reedy: ic
[19:20:35] <dbolser>	 expected to find 'ssh' somewhere
[19:20:37] <odder>	 Lcawte: this would solve all the EU-related problems :-P
[19:20:38] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:21:03] <Lcawte>	 odder: Scotland still has UK law at the moment, and as I said, its not going to be on the first page of laws they'll change :P
[19:21:23] <Reedy>	 ach nie
[19:21:42] <odder>	 Lcawte: yes, but EU law wouldn't apply to Scotland if they decide to leave the UK :)
[19:22:01] <odder>	 Reedy: ach tak!
[19:22:11] <odder>	 MatmaRex: ^^ :)
[19:22:36] <dbolser>	 hrm... still get permission denied 
[19:22:42] <dbolser>	 Permission denied (publickey).
[19:23:08] <Reedy>	 Err
[19:23:21] <Reedy>	 dbolser: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/settings/ssh-keys
[19:23:29] <Reedy>	 Might need to be there aswell
[19:23:32] <Reedy>	 Or instead
[19:23:33] <Reedy>	 Or both
[19:23:34] <dbolser>	 oic
[19:25:07] <Vulpix>	 odder, Lcawte: Searching in google now I'm getting this below the search box: "Cookies help us deliver our services. By using our services, you agree to our use of cookies. [OK] [Learn more]"
[19:25:18] <Lcawte>	 ^
[19:25:32] <dbolser>	 Reedy: the latmer
[19:25:33] <odder>	 ah yes.
[19:25:35] <Vulpix>	 but that doesn't seem to be a "inform before setting them"
[19:25:47] <odder>	 I've never seen that before.
[19:26:00] <BigKing>	 Hallo, kann ich einen Template erstellen, welches beim erstmaligen erstellen einer Seite im Editier-Fenster angezeigt wird... und der User �berschreiben kann?
[19:26:02] <dbolser>	 deleted from wikitech.wm.org, added to gerrit.wm.org, ssh works
[19:32:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For edit summary field, use textbox rather than textarea so users can use browser memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48274  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:44:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Monobook action tabs are off one pixel in certain browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17602  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[19:47:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Monobook action tabs are off one pixel in certain browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17602  -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[19:48:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For edit summary field, use textbox rather than textarea so users can use browser memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48274  +comment (10jforrester)
[19:56:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) When clicking the delete link you should be warned if page has changed since you loaded it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6315  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:07:45] <dbolser>	 I'm just at the 'git review' step, but I'm wondering ... I've already committed three atomic commits
[20:07:55] <dbolser>	 will 'git review' just submit the last one?
[20:08:07] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: it should submit all three
[20:08:14] <dbolser>	 MatmaRex: here goes...
[20:08:22] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: and it will ask you if there's more than one anyway
[20:08:42] <dbolser>	 :D
[20:09:13] <dbolser>	 error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://dbolser@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/SemanticDrilldown'
[20:09:16] <dbolser>	 bah
[20:09:30] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: since, as you probably already knwo, the gerrit workflow involves a lot of commit amending
[20:09:31] <MatmaRex>	 ugh
[20:09:35] <MatmaRex>	 what's the full error message?
[20:09:54] <MatmaRex>	 hmm, did you get the commit-msg hook installed first?
[20:11:02] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: see any change, e.g. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60695/ - is has the "Change-Id: I5f8bcc89...." line - gerrit will reject commits which don't include one
[20:11:06] <Vulpix>	 last time I checked, review will ask you to install the hook, or even it will install it for you
[20:11:33] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: so yeah, like Vulpix says, if you committed those before installing git-review and the hook, you'll have to amend the commit messages
[20:13:20] <dbolser>	 ah
[20:13:21] <dbolser>	 right
[20:13:38] <dbolser>	 yeah, I only just installed git-review
[20:13:46] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: can you do that? or should i help?
[20:14:37] <dbolser>	 MatmaRex: currently thinking that I'll just re-do the commits
[20:15:19] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: do you know what an interactive rebase is?
[20:15:45] <dbolser>	 I have an idea... 
[20:15:46] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: (the change-id will be auto-generated if you have the hook installed, btw, no need to add it yourself)
[20:15:53] <dbolser>	 right
[20:16:11] <dbolser>	 yeah I did git review -s, which I guess installed the hook
[20:16:40] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: well, then you could just `git rebase -i HEAD~3`, and then
[20:16:42] <dbolser>	 is this per repo?
[20:16:46] <MatmaRex>	 yes
[20:16:50] <dbolser>	 or will all my git ... OK
[20:17:11] <MatmaRex>	 change each 'pick' to 'reword', save&close the editor, and just resave each commit message
[20:17:21] <MatmaRex>	 and the commit-msgs should get autogenerated
[20:24:35] <odder>	 good luck dbolser
[20:24:49] <dbolser>	 hehe... just trying to rebase now...
[20:24:54] <odder>	 I had awful problems with setting up git on my machine
[20:25:11] <odder>	 but it's like second nature now, I just had to practice and read lots of documentation :)
[20:30:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620 enhancement; Wikimedia: Extension setup; ()
[20:31:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620   +shell (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[20:37:47] <dbolser>	 I did the rebase on another branch but I get the same message
[20:37:53] <dbolser>	 error message I mean
[20:38:33] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: if it wasn't interactive rebase, the commit messages probably didn't get changed
[20:38:55] <dbolser>	 I did --interactive, but then just selected 'pick', the default
[20:38:59] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: that is, if it wasn't interactive rebase where you had the opportunity to edit each commit message
[20:39:02] <MatmaRex>	 yeah
[20:39:07] <MatmaRex>	 that's not enough. :)
[20:39:27] <dbolser>	 oh... what did you say again? I looked back but didn't spot the message
[20:39:42] <MatmaRex>	 change each 'pick' to 'rebase'
[20:39:44] <MatmaRex>	 argh
[20:39:49] <MatmaRex>	 to 'reword' *
[20:39:50] <dbolser>	 sorry, ty
[20:39:53] <dbolser>	 ok
[20:40:04] <MatmaRex>	 and then just save each commit message without changes
[20:40:46] <dbolser>	 can I rebase without creating a new branch to do it on?
[20:41:22] <MatmaRex>	 yes, assuming the commits are near the "top" of the log, sure
[20:41:27] <dbolser>	 yup
[20:41:34] <MatmaRex>	 git rebase -i <some-sha1-before-your-commits>
[20:41:34] <dbolser>	 OK, lemmy try
[20:41:37] <MatmaRex>	 or simply
[20:41:42] <MatmaRex>	 git rebase -i HEAD~3
[20:41:51] <dbolser>	 TY
[20:41:52] <MatmaRex>	 (which means the third parent of current HEAD)
[20:42:00] <MatmaRex>	 s/parent/ancestor/
[20:42:26] <dbolser>	 gotcha
[20:43:43] <dbolser>	 cool, I see the Change-Ids now
[20:44:21] <MatmaRex>	 yay
[20:44:57] <MatmaRex>	 well, looks like it worked :)
[20:45:06] <dbolser>	 will Gerrit pipe up ?
[20:45:07] <dbolser>	 nice
[20:45:23] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: there's a live feed of new gerrit changesets on #wikimedia-dev
[20:45:23] <dbolser>	 I wonder if I squash gerrit messges
[20:45:29] <dbolser>	 oic
[20:45:56] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: and wikibugs_ will hopefully soon be moved there, too
[20:46:07] <MatmaRex>	 as it can get quite spammy
[20:46:24] <dbolser>	 ty
[20:46:26] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: also, if you were committing these on master, you'll need this now:
[20:46:34] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: git reset --hard gerrit/master
[20:46:45] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: this will basically throw away your changes
[20:46:59] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: and make it possible to pull changes from gerrit without hassle
[20:47:16] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: you can later download the changes from gerrit using `git review -d change-id`
[20:47:25] <dbolser>	 MatmaRex: the commit id's will be the same, so git should be smart enough
[20:47:48] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: in general, it's simply a bad idea to have commits on your local master that are not in gerrit master
[20:48:07] <dbolser>	 ic
[20:48:11] <dbolser>	 but it's on a branch
[20:48:23] <MatmaRex>	 ah, okay then
[20:48:38] <MatmaRex>	 i assumed it was on master, since you mentioned something about not creating branches earlier :)
[20:48:41] <dbolser>	 now I need to go ask the maintainer to review it?
[20:48:46] <dbolser>	 oh sorry
[20:48:56] <dbolser>	 I just had lots of topic branches for the same topic
[20:49:00] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: yes
[20:53:09] <dbolser>	 hmm... git review mentions the new branch:
[20:53:15] <dbolser>	  * [new branch]      HEAD -> refs/publish/master/log_scale_for_tag_cloud
[20:53:42] <dbolser>	 but my reviews on gerrit all quote... "master (..." oh
[20:53:47] <dbolser>	 my branch name is in brackets
[20:53:55] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: gerrit calls those "topic branches"
[20:54:11] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: and they bear absolutely no relation to real git branches
[20:54:38] <dbolser>	 OK
[20:54:39] <MatmaRex>	 topic branches are like lightweight categories you can mark your changesets with
[20:54:44] <dbolser>	 I've added the maintainer
[20:57:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Echo broken icw Modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47932  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[20:58:19] <MatmaRex>	 @seen siebrand
[20:58:19] <wm-bot>	 MatmaRex: Last time I saw siebrand they were quitting the network with reason: Read error: Connection reset by peer N/A at 5/16/2013 6:40:25 PM (3.02:17:53.2291290 ago)
[21:01:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add the extensions Translate and TranslateNotifications on Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41585  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:01:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:02:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620   +patch-in-gerrit (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski)
[21:09:32] <dbolser>	 So... how do flag one commit as being dependent on another?
[21:09:40] <dbolser>	 cus some can't merge for obvious reasons
[21:09:57] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: they are flagged already? :)
[21:10:03] <dbolser>	 uber
[21:10:13] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: (at least those three you just submitted)
[21:10:19] <dbolser>	 yes
[21:10:24] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: gerirt simply uses the "parent" relation for tracking dependencies
[21:10:40] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: so you'd just have to rebase one commit on top of another
[21:10:43] <MatmaRex>	 (or cherry-pick)
[21:10:49] <dbolser>	 right
[21:11:00] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: you can also have multiple dependencies if you create a merge commit
[21:11:00] <dbolser>	 the reviewer has to do that?
[21:11:06] <MatmaRex>	 but that's not well-supported
[21:11:15] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: sorry? i don't understand
[21:11:26] <MatmaRex>	 dbolser: the commits will simply refuse to merge in the wrong order
[21:11:34] <dbolser>	 ok
[21:13:07] <dbolser>	 so my job here is done?
[21:13:36] <MatmaRex>	 yep, just wait for any reviews and respond :)
[21:13:45] <dbolser>	 :D
[21:13:47] <dbolser>	 night
[21:13:52] <MatmaRex>	 (gerrit will mail you about everything)
[21:13:58] <dbolser>	 tys
[21:14:19] <dbolser>	 oooh... jenkins
[21:16:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620   +i18n; +comment (10Nemo)
[21:16:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Bug and feature requests related to Wikimedia Commons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37883  (10Nemo)
[21:16:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Use language code subpages for subtitles to allow Translate extension usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42790  (10Nemo)
[21:21:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Disable TTMServer update jobs for test.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46602  +comment (10federicoleva)
[21:23:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Categories marked for translation don't have anything translatable, page display title available only is there's another string to translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44867  (10Nemo)
[21:23:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Bug and feature requests related to Wikimedia Commons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37883  (10Nemo)
[21:23:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Show translated titles per user language in categories too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29928  (10Nemo)
[21:23:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Bug and feature requests related to Wikimedia Commons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37883  (10Nemo)
[21:24:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Categories marked for translation don't have anything translatable, page display title available only is there's another string to translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44867  (10Nemo)
[21:25:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Translate extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48620  +comment (10tomasz)
[21:55:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) changing a Snak's time value from a valid to an invalid one will not disable Claim's "save" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48621 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[21:57:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Invalid flickr URLs pointing to "flickr.com/photos/null" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46559  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[22:03:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) changing a Snak's time value from a valid to an invalid one will not disable Claim's "save" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48621  +comment (10daniel.werner)
[22:16:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) changing a Snak's time value from a valid to an invalid one will not disable Claim's "save" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48621  +comment (10daniel.werner)
[22:21:39] <strekoza>	 Are a lot of you using Scribunto (Lua) at this time and for what type of things  -- just curious -- having a lot of fun making templates 
[22:28:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) co-ment-like tool for inline comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46440  (10ganeshaditya1)
[22:51:38] <Elecbullet>	 hey y'all. how hard would it be to get an extra Special: page on my wiki that's just an iframe?
[22:59:23] <skay>	 hi, I want to be able to use wikipedia's citation template on my own wiki. are there instructions somewhere for installing all the deps needed to copy their template? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation
[23:00:13] <RAN1>	 skay: Deps?
[23:00:28] <Elecbullet>	 dependencies, presumably
[23:00:38] <etesp>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export with include templates on?
[23:00:40] <skay>	 that page lists Lua, so I was thinking it is is a depency
[23:00:43] <etesp>	 oh
[23:00:54] <skay>	 arg, spelling. dependency
[23:00:57] <RAN1>	 Hmm.
[23:01:05] <RAN1>	 I believe it's Extension:Scribunto.
[23:01:07] <RAN1>	 Let me check.
[23:01:17] <strekoza>	 Yes its Scribunto
[23:01:39] <RAN1>	 skay: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
[23:01:49] <strekoza>	 citation being rewritten to use Lua
[23:02:31] <skay>	 RAN1: thank you. I will install that. At which point I should be okay to just copy the wikipedia Template:Citation page?
[23:02:42] <RAN1>	 Hmm.
[23:02:55] <etesp>	 you'll need to export with the link I gave to get all template called by it
[23:02:57] <RAN1>	 Try using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export instead for attribution
[23:03:11] <etesp>	 and have include templates on
[23:03:25] <RAN1>	 Make sure to get the full history too.
[23:03:45] <strekoza>	 they are modules as far as I know
[23:04:08] <skay>	 thanks, I didn't know about the export page
[23:04:48] <skay>	 today is the first time I've installed an extension. that's my level of experience.
[23:05:11] <Elecbullet>	 you've done more than I have
[23:05:15] <strekoza>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lua/Modules -- might be worth looking at
[23:09:42] <strekoza>	 The citation templates still exist as far as I know in wikipedia -- whether the Lua modules are complete I am not sure
[23:38:09] <skay>	 I got far enough to get a script error. I installed Scribunto, SyntaxHighlight and CodeEditor, exported/imported the citation templates... and made a test page.
[23:38:38] <skay>	 My version http://vegetablegargoyle.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Version and test page http://vegetablegargoyle.com/wiki/index.php/Literature
[23:38:58] <skay>	 can anyone do a sanity check to see that I've got the right versions and I'm not missing anything?
[23:39:22] <skay>	 I think it's weird that my SpecialVersion page doesn't say anything about lua
[23:53:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) JavaScript UI fails if entity page data model contains unexpected DataValues JSON - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48622 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[23:54:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) JavaScript UI fails if entity page data model contains unexpected DataValues JSON - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48622   +javascript (10Daniel Werner)
[23:54:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) JavaScript UI fails if entity page data model contains unexpected DataValues JSON - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48622  (10Daniel Werner)