[00:02:36] <jenia_>	 hello everyone
[00:02:49] <jenia_>	 im trying to install mediawiki and im having great trouble
[00:03:05] <jenia_>	 include_once( "$IP/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki.php" );
[00:03:05] <jenia_>	 enableSemantics("$IP");
[00:03:16] <jenia_>	 the last line doesnt work
[00:03:34] <jenia_>	 please please help
[00:04:05] <Technical_13>	 !hss
[00:04:05] <wm-bot>	 ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl
[00:04:44] <jenia_>	 haha
[00:05:23] <Technical_13>	 We have an odd sense of humor here.
[00:06:00] <MatmaRex>	 jenia_: i think a separate irc channel where semantic people lurks exists, they might be able to help you there better than us
[00:06:06] <MatmaRex>	 !semantic
[00:06:06] <wm-bot>	 Not many people around here use Semantic Mediawiki or the other Semantic extensions. You might try asking in #semantic-mediawiki
[00:06:08] <Technical_13>	 Unfortunately, it's 1am where most of the people in this channel that can help you are.
[00:06:34] <jenia_>	 ahh okay thanks
[00:06:36] <jenia_>	 you mean germany?
[00:06:49] <ashley>	 jenia_: the enableSemantics() line should be something like enableSemantics( 'foo.example.com' ) if your wiki is available at foo.example.com
[00:07:00] <MatmaRex>	 !hss
[00:07:00] <wm-bot>	 ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl
[00:07:05] <ashley>	 !iss
[00:07:06] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !allowoverride, !anglebrackets, !dismissablesitenotice, !domdocument, !filepermissions, !IE9, !list, !lists, !newusergroup, !packagefix, !phpinfo, !redlinks, !siwae, !tabcompletion, !templateproblems, !userapproval, 
[00:07:14] <jenia_>	 its at http://localhost/mediawiki-1.21.2/index.php
[00:07:17] <MatmaRex>	 !hss del
[00:07:18] <wm-bot>	 Successfully removed hss
[00:07:19] <MatmaRex>	 !hss is ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl – #semantic-mediawiki
[00:07:19] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[00:07:27] <Technical_13>	 Lol
[00:07:34] <jenia_>	 so i should have http://localhost/mediawiki-1.21.2 there?
[00:07:42] <ashley>	 try enableSemantics( 'localhost' ), maybe it'll just work (or then not!)
[00:08:13] <ashley>	 (I've actually never tried this out myself, but I've installed SMW on some production wikis, though)
[00:13:14] <jenia_>	 why dont you guys use semantic media wiki?
[00:13:36] <T13|sleeps>	 !hss
[00:13:36] <wm-bot>	 ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl – #semantic-mediawiki
[00:13:39] <T13|sleeps>	 !!!!!
[00:58:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Log spam blacklist hits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1542  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[01:10:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Log spam blacklist hits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1542  +comment (10Legoktm)
[01:16:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support transitive properties in SPARQL queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50911  (10Emw)
[01:16:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Query by one property and one value (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52385  (10Emw)
[01:54:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899 normal; MediaWiki: File management; ()
[01:59:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) A button placed next to a link is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53900 normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; ()
[03:20:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Impossible to move pages ending in .js into userspace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53115  +comment (10Legoktm)
[03:26:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Optional AntiSpoof integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53901 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TitleBlacklist; ()
[03:32:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) translatewiki.net: git fetch ... bails out with "hash mismatch" "key_verify failed for server_host_key" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53895  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:08:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Watchlist doesn't show earlier normal edits when hiding bot edits, own edits or minor edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9790  (10nought_0000)
[04:21:11] <Prodi>	 i'm trying to get uploadwizard working on my wiki but it's not loading the main interface
[04:31:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Optional AntiSpoof integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53901  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[04:31:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Optional AntiSpoof integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53901  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[04:32:51] <marktraceur>	 Prodi: Do you see any errors?
[04:33:26] <Prodi>	 where should i check?
[04:33:32] <Prodi>	 i don't see anything int he server logs
[04:33:38] <Prodi>	 and i don't see anything in my js console
[04:34:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Optional AntiSpoof integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53901  (10Legoktm)
[04:34:08] <Prodi>	 all i see is a spinning circle when I visit Special:UploadWizard
[04:34:22] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[04:34:28] <marktraceur>	 Prodi: Latest master?
[04:34:40] <Prodi>	 1.21 branch
[04:34:46] <marktraceur>	 K
[04:34:57] <Prodi>	 with 1.21.2 code
[04:35:00] <marktraceur>	 Just a minute
[04:35:06] <Prodi>	 kk
[04:45:14] <marktraceur>	 Prodi: Arright, I'm looking
[04:47:10] <marktraceur>	 Prodi: I see "missing dependency: mediawiki.api.titleblacklist
[04:47:14] <marktraceur>	 Can you confirm that?
[04:47:56] <Prodi>	 where?
[04:48:07] <marktraceur>	 The JS developer console is best
[04:50:59] <Prodi>	 pretty sure i have that enabled
[04:51:03] <Prodi>	 lemme check if the script is loaded
[04:51:17] <legoktm>	 marktraceur: maybe it's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46165 ?
[04:51:39] <legoktm>	 and something not getting backported properly...
[04:52:04] <marktraceur>	 Sounds pretty accurate
[04:53:07] <Prodi>	 i have that loaded
[04:53:14] <marktraceur>	 Huh
[04:53:46] <marktraceur>	 Well, I have to assume that everything else is OK
[04:53:54] <marktraceur>	 Without other JS errors, I dunno what it could be...
[04:54:07] <marktraceur>	 Prodi: I don't suppose you could pull the latest UW and test?
[04:54:34] <Prodi>	 k, lemme try
[04:54:37] <Prodi>	 5 mins :)
[04:56:27] <marktraceur>	 Sure sure
[05:01:05] <Prodi>	 nope, no luck
[05:01:47] <Prodi>	 Upload Wizard (Version 1.3)
[05:03:33] <Prodi>	 looks like other people having the same problem?
[05:03:38] <Prodi>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:UploadWizard#Page_stuck_on_loading_image
[05:14:57] <Prodi>	 12(marktraceur12): any other ideas i can try?
[05:24:38] <Prodi>	 looks like there's some kind of conflict with the skin i use
[05:24:42] <Prodi>	 cause when i use vector, it works
[05:24:56] <marktraceur>	 Not currently for me
[05:25:03] <marktraceur>	 I have very few ideas
[05:25:14] <marktraceur>	 At 22:30 on Saturday
[05:25:20] <Prodi>	 :D
[05:25:21] <marktraceur>	 (not drinking, but veeeerrry tired)
[05:25:32] <Prodi>	 1:25 am here :D
[05:25:43] <marktraceur>	 OK, you win
[05:25:56] <Prodi>	 not drinking either though :(
[05:26:00] <Prodi>	 you still have time!
[05:27:03] <marktraceur>	 Meh
[05:27:15] <marktraceur>	 I should probably go back to mindless things and/or sleep
[05:27:33] <Prodi>	 heh
[05:57:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MobileFrontend links by default "Terms of use" to WMF's terms of use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53902 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[06:00:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend links by default "Terms of use" to WMF's terms of use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53902  +comment (10arichards)
[06:14:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Latest snapshot offered via Extension:MobileFrontend is old (March 2013) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53903 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[06:15:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Latest snapshot offered via Extension:MobileFrontend is old (March 2013) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53903  +comment (10arichards)
[06:17:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Optional AntiSpoof integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53901  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[07:04:55] <Amgine>	 ++Nemo_bis re: CirrusSearch on Wiktionary.
[07:10:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bug and feature requests related to Wikimedia Commons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37883  (10Nemo)
[07:10:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Point local sidebars to UploadWizard rather than old Commons upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53904 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[07:10:57] <Nemo_bis>	 Amgine: hi
[07:11:05] <Nemo_bis>	 caffelatte gets cold, give me a moment :)
[07:11:29] <Amgine>	 hehe.
[07:18:51] <Nemo_bis>	 and done
[07:19:04] <Amgine>	 heh. Microwave for the win.
[07:24:37] <Nemo_bis>	 nah, it's the efficiency of caffelatte biscuits
[07:24:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Amgine: so, good or bad thing?
[07:25:10] <Amgine>	 Very good thing. Do you have any idea how many CJK terms cannout be searched?
[07:25:14] <Nemo_bis>	 I noticed en.wikt is perhaps not the project with the happiest karma about experimental software 
[07:25:25] <Nemo_bis>	 ah, glad to see you like it
[07:25:46] <Nemo_bis>	 No idea, if you consider individual search terms it's probably in the tens of millions?
[07:25:52] <Amgine>	 They're... conservative. C'mon, these are people who have serious arguments about when a spelling form is acceptable!
[07:26:04] <Nemo_bis>	 :D I often do too
[07:26:19] <Nemo_bis>	 That's what brought me to Wikimedia projects in 2005 :P
[07:26:27] <Amgine>	 Yes, and growing fast. We have dozens of people on en.WT who do *nothing* but CJK.
[07:28:10] <Nemo_bis>	 Amgine: oh, I see Nik already replied positively about en.wikt, wanna write something on the grease pit or whatever?
[07:29:30] <Amgine>	 Okay, will do in just a couple minutes
[07:29:54] <Amgine>	 Where did Nik reply?
[07:30:05] <Amgine>	 oh, wikitech-l?
[07:32:04] <Nemo_bis>	 yes
[07:32:09] <Nemo_bis>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071717.html
[07:45:52] <Amgine>	 Nemo_bis: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Grease_pit/2013/September#w00t.21_New_search_indexing_with_all_scripts.2Ftemplate_expansion
[08:07:30] <Nemo_bis>	 Amgine: nice! I made a small correction (you can already try it on mediawiki.org! http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2013-August/000363.html )
[08:56:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Create global account on login/rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53905 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[09:01:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) A button placed next to a link is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53900  +comment (10db)
[09:01:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Restore all default settings" should be a button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18961  +comment (10duplicatebug)
[09:03:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Selecting file to upload no longer populates "Destination filename" or shows thumbnail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53859  +comment (10db)
[09:05:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhanced Recent Changes mechanism missing the old "OldChangesListRecentChangesLine" hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53851  +comment (10db)
[09:10:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Convert jasmine tests to QUnit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53906 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[09:14:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.config doesn't expose page existence information about the target of a special page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53774  +comment (10db)
[09:17:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ULS sets sans-serif font for edit-textarea on language subpages despite having set "use browser default" in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53759  +comment (10db)
[09:17:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setting language to anything other than "en" changes default edit-window font from monospaced to sans-serif - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53734  +comment (10db)
[09:19:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When database table prefix is set, tables in SQL should be aliased into their original names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53760  +comment (10db)
[09:23:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Entering "10 september" displays a block expiry time of "00:00, 10 September 1970" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53907 normal; MediaWiki: User blocking; ()
[09:27:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Convert jasmine tests to QUnit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53906  +comment (10mflaschen)
[09:29:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) import doesn't work on oracle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53710  +comment (10db)
[09:30:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) provisioning browsertests role fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53864  +comment (10ori)
[09:40:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate is false on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53908 major; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[09:40:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Recursion detected in Language related StubObject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44754  (10Nemo)
[09:43:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate is false on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53908  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[09:43:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate is false on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53908  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[09:49:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Sorting keys for Russian Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52997  +comment (10dubrow)
[11:00:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Point local sidebars to UploadWizard rather than old Commons upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53904  +comment (10dereckson)
[11:02:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate is false on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53908  +comment (10dereckson)
[11:05:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Point local sidebars to UploadWizard rather than old Commons upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53904  +comment (10federicoleva)
[11:25:04] <Ward>	 hello, I was wondering if there is a special page to show the active extensions on a wiki
[11:27:37] <ori-l>	 Ward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[11:27:44] <ori-l>	 (comparable URL at other wikis)
[11:27:46] <Ward>	 great thanks
[11:31:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Remove wikimania2005 whitelist from InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53909 trivial; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[11:31:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tidy up wmf-config CommonSettings.php and InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29902  (10This, that and the other)
[11:31:30] <Saqib>	 is it possible to use AWB on mac OS X?
[11:33:10] <Saqib>	 !awb
[11:33:14] <Saqib>	 @link
[11:33:14] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
[12:20:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categorize {{#babel}} categories on sv-wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43742  +comment (10326374)
[12:57:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) century in the time datatype can't be translated? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53910 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[12:57:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) century in the time datatype can't be translated? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53910  (10Lydia Pintscher)
[13:23:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[13:34:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) On File: pages redirect links should be linked "redirect=no" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50051  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:34:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) On File: pages redirect links should be linked "redirect=no" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50051  (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[13:40:46] <_black-man_>	 !ops BEND OVER AND TOUCH YOUR TOES IM GONNA SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES
[13:41:13] <_black-man_>	 JFJJFJF
[13:41:13] <_black-man_>	 FJF
[13:41:14] <_black-man_>	 F
[13:41:14] <_black-man_>	 F
[13:41:14] <_black-man_>	 R
[13:41:15] <_black-man_>	 G
[13:41:15] <_black-man_>	 Y
[13:41:15] <_black-man_>	 F
[13:41:15] <_black-man_>	 E
[13:41:16] <_black-man_>	 E
[13:41:16] <_black-man_>	 Y
[13:41:17] <_black-man_>	 Y
[13:41:17] <_black-man_>	 G
[13:41:18] <_black-man_>	 H
[13:41:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Watchlist doesn't show earlier normal edits when hiding bot edits, own edits or minor edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9790  +comment (10mr.heat)
[13:42:23] <Vito>	 Barras: [15:41:27] <-- _black-man_ (a68950ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.166.137.80.238) è uscito (Excess Flood)
[13:42:26] <Vito>	 (lol)
[13:44:26] <Vulpix>	 I though the nick black-man caused automatic KLINE
[13:44:38] <Vulpix>	 maybe the underscores did the trick :(
[13:49:15] <Sid-G>	 Hi. I'm trying to test the title blacklist. It
[13:49:33] <Sid-G>	 *It's stopping a user from uploading a file
[13:49:47] <Sid-G>	 However, since I have sysop rights, it didn't stop me
[13:50:22] <Sid-G>	 So my question is: Is there any way I can test the titleblacklist with an account with sysop rights? Like a special page or something?
[13:54:28] <Vulpix>	 !e TitleBlacklist
[13:54:28] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleBlacklist
[13:56:25] <Vulpix>	 Sid-G: nope, TitleBlacklist doesn't provide that functionality
[13:56:50] <Vulpix>	 you can create a sockpuppet account to test it
[13:58:08] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[13:58:08] <Sid-G>	 thanks Vulpix, will do
[13:59:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[14:14:21] <Bryan>	 does anybody know if I need the x64 version of PHP if running under IIS on an x64 Windows?
[14:15:23] <Bryan>	 and where the hell did the MSIs disappear to
[14:16:10] <Bryan>	 oh god
[14:16:16] <Bryan>	 I haven't even installed PHP
[14:16:21] <Bryan>	 and I hate it already
[14:16:52] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: the mistake you've made is trying to run it on windows ;)
[14:17:02] <Sid-G>	 lol
[14:17:10] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: it will probably be less painful if you run it inside a virtual machine instead, and no, i'm not kidding
[14:17:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Purge foreign pages using an image/media file where this data is available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22390  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[14:17:30] <Bryan>	 MatmaRex: yes, because setting up a virtual machine is done in 10 minutes
[14:17:32] <MatmaRex>	 (unless you're setting up production environment on windows, in which case – gods help you)
[14:17:37] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: yes, it is
[14:17:47] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: you could also use vagrant to get it done in 20 seconds + download time
[14:17:49] <MatmaRex>	 !vagrant
[14:17:49] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[14:18:00] <MatmaRex>	 (assuming you're doing it all for MediaWiki)
[14:19:00] <Bryan>	 for all the command line junkies perhaps
[14:19:27] <Bryan>	 oh right, I needed fcgi support
[14:20:25] <Bryan>	 which offcourse, is only installed if you're installing cgi
[14:20:33] <Bryan>	 like it's the same thing
[14:20:34] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: all i'm saying is, don't expect any help when running MediaWiki and PHP on Windows, because nobody else does this ~
[14:21:50] * bawolff  thinks Bryan can probably handle any debugging steps necessary once he gets php installed

[14:31:24] <Bryan>	 no shit
[14:31:27] <Bryan>	 it actually works
[14:34:53] <Bryan>	 oh yes, rule number one; never edit a php file with notepad
[14:36:21] <Nemo_bis>	 +1
[14:37:17] <Nemo_bis>	 that is, right after 0. Don't use Windows ever
[14:38:00] <Elsie>	 Bryan wants pain.
[14:38:07] <Elsie>	 Bryan: Install PHP 4 while you're at it. ;-)
[14:38:12] <Elsie>	 And MySQL 4.
[14:38:16] <Elsie>	 Just to keep things interesting.
[14:38:48] <Vulpix>	 oh, Elsie, could you please edit the topic to reflect the latest release of MediaWiki?
[14:38:55] <Bryan>	 it used to be not so difficult you know; back in the days when php had an installer
[14:39:07] <Bryan>	 but apparently they want to give windows users the linux experience as well
[14:39:11] <Elsie>	 +t is gay.
[14:39:27] <Elsie>	 Bryan: `apt-get install php5` ?
[14:39:42] <Elsie>	 Vulpix: Chris should've done that...
[14:39:51] <Elsie>	 It's on the release checklist, I'm sure.
[14:40:37] <Bryan>	 all right, now how to enable sqlite
[14:42:47] <Bryan>	 we use the regular sqlite3 right? not the pdo driver
[14:43:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scaler's stderr should be captured and logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53824  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[14:45:17] <bawolff>	 I think we use PDO
[14:45:45] <Bryan>	 ah thanks, that works
[14:47:03] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Where can I find the documentation for the new code editor and what do I group bug reports under?
[14:47:30] <bawolff>	 T13|needsCoffee: Bug reports go to "MediaWiki extensions" -> Code Editor
[14:47:36] <bawolff>	 !e CodeEditor
[14:47:36] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CodeEditor
[14:48:01] <bawolff>	 T13|needsCoffee: Per usual, not a whole lot of docs ;)
[14:48:01] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Thanks bawolff 
[14:48:19] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Yeah... that's what I expect. :/
[14:48:21] <Lcawte>	 Ok, so wikitech.wm.org and gerrit usernames/passwords are the same right?
[14:48:31] <Elsie>	 Yes.
[14:48:55] <Lcawte>	 Well I'm failing big style then... :|
[14:49:13] <Elsie>	 <fail type="whale" />
[14:50:04] <T13|needsCoffee>	 !whale Lcawte 
[14:51:12] <Lcawte>	 Oh come on, how can I type that password wrong so many times when I use it for most things.
[14:51:18] * Lcawte  blames keyboard

[14:53:30] <MatmaRex>	 Lcawte: if it still doesn't work with a definitely correct password, then you're the second person to encounter this bug :/
[14:54:29] <Lcawte>	 Nope, I'm in now, took quite a few guessings to work out I wasn't being stupid and it's more than likely my keyboard being really bad and not responding to so many hits of shift so quickly
[14:57:44] <Wikinaut>	 bawolff: can you perhaps help me with a problem in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/81629/6/SpecialOpenIDCreateAccountByMail.body.php ?
[14:59:11] <bawolff>	 Wikinaut: What's the problem?
[14:59:21] <bawolff>	 I don't think permissions will work properly for that
[14:59:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Long lines don't word wrap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53911 major; MediaWiki extensions: CodeEditor; ()
[14:59:37] <bawolff>	 The whole special page constructor thing for permissions is kind of confusing
[14:59:45] <Wikinaut>	 bawolff: the module is a wish by Ryan, and myself. problem is this:
[14:59:59] <Wikinaut>	 let me explain:
[15:00:30] <Wikinaut>	 as an admin, when I go to this special page, I can enter a new username and e-mail
[15:00:44] <Wikinaut>	 when sending this (account creation by mail)...
[15:00:52] <Wikinaut>	 the next page says
[15:01:05] <Wikinaut>	 "You are already logged in" (this comes from my extension OpenID)
[15:01:09] <Wikinaut>	 help is needed
[15:01:18] <Wikinaut>	 what is wrong, the context ?
[15:01:20] <Wikinaut>	 .
[15:01:38] <Wikinaut>	 (Ryan told me, he's not an expert in this)
[15:01:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Lcawte: not completely the same thing, they are escaped differently
[15:02:00] <Nemo_bis>	 For instance I can't used underscore
[15:02:05] <Nemo_bis>	 * use
[15:02:26] <Nemo_bis>	 Bryan: so, are we going to see you come back in grand style, this time to fix a bunch of Windows bugs? :D
[15:03:09] <Bryan>	 presumably
[15:03:20] <bawolff>	 Whoo!
[15:03:21] <Bryan>	 currently I'm already happy that I've been able to install phpunit
[15:03:44] <bawolff>	 That's impressive, I can barely do that on linux
[15:06:12] <Vulpix>	 Well, after years using Windows (and I'm now in GNU/Linux) I can say that, on Windows, things "simply work" or "just don't work and you won't be able to make it work"
[15:06:18] <Elsie>	 I flossed.
[15:08:02] <bawolff>	 Wikinaut: I'm not really sure. The first thing I would wonder though, is why you get that error message in general. Creating accounts is allowed for logged in users
[15:08:32] <Amgine>	 before or after?
[15:09:17] <Vulpix>	 you can be logged in and create another account. Yes, that's possible
[15:09:41] <Wikinaut>	 bawolff: yes. My question to: in general, look this code good to you?
[15:10:34] <Bryan>	 so does anybody have experience in running phpunit from eclipse?
[15:10:38] <Wikinaut>	 One addition: after having entered a name and e-mail address, the wiki is _not_ sending the new account mail with the temp.password
[15:10:45] <Bryan>	 it's not listening to my php.ini
[15:11:14] <Wikinaut>	 Bryan: run "php -i" on the command line to see what is used
[15:11:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Long lines don't word wrap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53911  (10Technical 13)
[15:11:33] <Wikinaut>	 or write a short file woth "phpinfo()" in it
[15:12:41] <bawolff>	 Wikinaut: To be honest, not super familar with the login code, but nothing sticks out at me as being wrong. I would probably still reccomend setting the context on the LoginForm object, but I'm doubtful that that would make any difference
[15:13:22] <Amgine>	 Bryan: there are often two php.ini - one for cli and one for server. Make sure your edited php.ini is the one being used.
[15:13:46] <Wikinaut>	 Bryan: and: after a modification, restart your server!
[15:16:23] <Wikinaut>	 bawolff: whom else would you ask for this specific problem ?
[15:17:07] <bawolff>	 Umm, csteipp knows a lot about the login code, but he's often a very busy person
[15:17:30] <Wikinaut>	 good idea.
[15:17:32] <Wikinaut>	 thx
[15:17:35] <Bryan>	 hmm looks like eclipse is trying to be intelligent
[15:19:29] <Amgine>	 How refreshing.
[15:19:42] <bawolff>	 Interesting, the permissions on limit.sh no longer seem to include execute rights
[15:19:47] <bawolff>	 locally anyway
[15:20:32] <bawolff>	 hmm, maybe it was always like that
[15:24:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) No fallback implemented for mb_strtolower - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53912 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; ()
[15:25:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable "File mover" flag on it.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53913 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[15:26:42] <Bryan>	 I pity the person who has to implement that
[15:27:24] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: what about Language#lc?
[15:27:49] <MatmaRex>	 it starts with if ( function_exists( 'mb_strtolower' ) ) { and includes some sort of alternate implementation
[15:29:07] <Bryan>	 that could work
[15:29:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No fallback implemented for mb_strtolower - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53912  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[15:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No fallback implemented for mb_strtolower - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53912  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[15:31:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Doesn't get along with MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53914 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeEditor; ()
[15:31:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Doesn't get along with MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53914  normal->04BLOCKER (10Technical 13)
[15:33:07] <MatmaRex>	 T13|needsCoffee: i'm tempted to wontfix that ^ and say that wikEd should get along with CodeEditor instead
[15:33:41] <MatmaRex>	 actually, why would wikEd load on .js pages?
[15:34:02] <T13|needsCoffee>	 CodeEditor should unload wikEd on the backend before the page loads.
[15:34:27] <MatmaRex>	 that'd be silly
[15:34:57] <MatmaRex>	 it's wikEd that shouldn't fire on .js pages, as it's rather useless there anyway, no?
[15:35:25] <Vulpix>	 T13|needsCoffee: WikEd is a "user script". MediaWiki code can't be aware of every single userscript people use on their own
[15:35:28] <T13|needsCoffee>	 I use to use wikEd for .js pages before CodeEditor.
[15:35:46] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Vulpix: its in preferences...
[15:36:08] <T13|needsCoffee>	 It's a Gadget.
[15:36:11] <Vulpix>	 it's a gadget, tell it's maintainers to fix it?
[15:36:58] <T13|needsCoffee>	 So Extension:Gadgets isn't getting along with Extension:CodeEditor or visa-versa
[15:37:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Visual editor: issues with removing leading space pre blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51758  +comment (10Spinningspark)
[15:38:38] <Vulpix>	 T13|needsCoffee: Extension:Gadgets has nothing to do with WikEd
[15:39:23] <Vulpix>	 T13|needsCoffee: It's like if you file a bug for MediaWiki because some script in the MediaWiki:Common.js that you wrote breaks something in MediaWiki
[15:39:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Automatic bracket/quote completion/pairing needs a way to be disabled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53915 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: CodeEditor; ()
[15:41:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Automatic bracket/quote completion/pairing needs a way to be disabled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53915  (10Technical 13)
[15:50:10] <Wikinaut>	 bawolff: we spoke about this LoginForm. Just for your information, both, my extension page and also LoginForm "extend(s) SpecialPage". Can this cause the problem ?
[15:50:42] <bawolff>	 Depends on what the special page does
[15:51:11] <bawolff>	 It might make more sense for your special page to extend LoginForm
[15:51:38] <Wikinaut>	 basically, I only want to "call" this
[15:52:08] <Wikinaut>	 You need to know, that Extension OpenID also extends the SpecialPage for Login
[15:52:37] <Wikinaut>	 perhaps this causes the problem, but I don't have the knowledge to fix this quickly
[15:52:51] <Wikinaut>	 an expert will only need two minutes.
[15:52:57] <Wikinaut>	 will contact csteipp
[15:53:03] <Wikinaut>	 by mail
[15:54:00] <Wikinaut>	 bye
[16:01:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set wgBlockDisablesLogin to true for ALL Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53871  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:01:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Raw mw_math_png instead of the description on [[mw:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53916 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math; ()
[16:02:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw mw_math_png instead of the description on [[mw:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53916  (10Helder)
[16:02:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing messages at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50971  (10Helder)
[16:11:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor BETA popup shows "Version false" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53917 normal; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; ()
[16:24:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Live preview (requires JavaScript) feature bugs (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39272  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[16:24:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Collapsible lists on edit page footer no longer collapsible after live preview is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53918 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; ()
[16:27:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Collapsible editpage footer toggler should look/behave like the Vector sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53213  major->trivial; summary; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[16:28:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Add keyboard shortcut for heading level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33512  +comment (10Helder)
[16:33:33] <T13>	 Is there a better way of adding a link to the toolbox in the sidebar than mw.util.addPortletLink()?
[16:34:27] <bawolff>	 Isn't that the way you're supposed to do it?
[16:35:09] <T13>	 According to the Resource loader docs it's the "legacy" method.
[16:35:17] <T13>	 That's why I'm confused.
[16:36:10] <MatmaRex>	 !bug 1
[16:36:10] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=1
[16:36:13] <MatmaRex>	 T13: docs where?
[16:36:20] <bawolff>	 I though addPortletLink was the legacy one (The version without the mw.util part)
[16:36:44] <MatmaRex>	 also, what bawolff said
[16:37:03] <MatmaRex>	 (these are actually different functions with different implementations)
[16:37:43] <Vulpix>	 T13, MatmaRex: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RL/DM#addPortletLink
[16:47:11] <T13>	 ^^ yeah what Vulpix linked
[16:47:31] <T13>	 Says legacy wikibits and shows example with mw.util
[16:48:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "(thank)" is shown if JS is disabled, but it's a broken link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49161  +comment (10Ricordisamoa)
[16:50:21] <ori-l>	 anyone know if the w3c's license (http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231) allows images and texts from specs to be uploaded to wikimedia wikis?
[16:50:50] <ori-l>	 ugh, probably not: "No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is granted pursuant to this license."
[16:53:52] <Betacommand>	 ori-l: that would be no
[16:54:05] <ori-l>	 yeah, lame.
[16:55:21] <ori-l>	 i wanted the image from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webperf/raw-file/tip/specs/NavigationTiming2/Overview.html#processing-model
[16:55:26] <ori-l>	 i guess i'll roll my own
[16:56:56] <Ward>	 3 mins of visio and you can make a better graphic than that
[16:57:34] <Vulpix>	 visio?
[16:57:59] <ori-l>	 yeah, i'm looking for the right software tool now
[16:58:04] <ori-l>	 visio has a free trial, i could try that
[16:58:25] <Vulpix>	 but can Visio export to svg?
[16:58:37] <Ward>	 I shall check
[16:58:44] <ori-l>	 looks like it, yeah
[16:58:46] <Ward>	 otherwise there´s a few online graphing tools that can
[16:59:03] <Ward>	 I just got visio 2013
[16:59:21] <Vulpix>	 http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Dia
[16:59:36] <Ward>	 yeah dia is good
[16:59:49] <Ward>	 less smooth than visio but more flexible
[17:00:49] <Ward>	 I can´t find svg export in visio
[17:01:13] <Ward>	 oh it´s in the save as options
[17:01:21] <Ward>	 so yeah it can
[17:03:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Show editcount for unattached accounts on Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53919 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[17:07:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Show global groups on Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53920 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[17:13:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-canonical HTTPS URLs quietly redirect to HTTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31369  +comment (10Donald Lancon)
[17:17:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add message to provide useful links on Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53921 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[17:23:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Strike closed wikis on Special:CentralAuth and Special:MergeAccount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53922 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[17:23:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't handle VP9. (Transcode error) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53863  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[17:27:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Doesn't get along with MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53914  +comment (10db)
[17:34:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Browser Search (Ctrl + F) does not wirk in Code Editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53923 major; MediaWiki extensions: CodeEditor; ()
[17:36:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser Search (Ctrl + F) does not work in Code Editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53923  (10wikipedia)
[17:36:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser Search (Ctrl + F) does not work in Code Editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53923  (10wikipedia)
[17:41:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Inputting dates with written out months only works if you're inputting them in English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53924 normal; Wikimedia: Wikidata; ()
[17:41:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inputting dates with only works if you're inputting them in English or numerically, not if you're inputting them with other languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53924  summary (10Sven Manguard)
[17:49:10] <kama_>	 hi all
[17:49:46] <kama_>	 how to config, so some modification may not be stored in the history?
[17:50:08] <kama_>	 since i do minor edit on some page very oftenly, maybe 20 times per day
[17:50:35] <kama_>	 if all modification are stored in the database, this could be a big waste of the database space
[18:01:34] <Betacommand>	 kama: create a cron to delete those from the revision table?:4
[18:03:35] <Vulpix>	 Betacommand: messing with the database? That doesn't seems to be a good advice unless you know what are you doing
[18:04:44] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix: mediawiki has made it a point to otherwise make permanent removal of text almost impossible 
[18:05:50] <Vulpix>	 I know, but that's not an excuse to tell a (just guessing) inexperienced user to delete contents from the database
[18:06:28] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix: its just about the only way to do what they want
[18:06:35] <MatmaRex>	 Betacommand: false
[18:06:36] <MatmaRex>	 kama: you can run maintenance scripts to remove old revisions
[18:06:40] <MatmaRex>	 !maintenance
[18:06:40] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maintenance_scripts
[18:07:04] <MatmaRex>	 kama: you want https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DeleteOldRevisions.php and/or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DeleteArchivedRevisions.php
[18:07:06] <Betacommand>	 MatmaRex: that effects all page histories, not just the single page in question
[18:07:49] <Betacommand>	 MatmaRex: not false, depends on the scope of the question
[18:07:50] <MatmaRex>	 Betacommand: in this case there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DeleteRevision.php , but that's gonna be cumbersome.
[18:08:02] <MatmaRex>	 there is no need to mess with the database
[18:08:30] <Vulpix>	 ^
[18:08:51] <Vulpix>	 Or a more easy one: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:NukePage.php before editing the page
[18:08:54] <Betacommand>	 MatmaRex: that doesnt do what he asked, "moving them to the archive table."
[18:09:54] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix's suggestion is the only option that I have seen that does what the user asked
[18:12:22] <Vulpix>	 It may be useful to add a parameter to deleteOldRevisions.php and deleteArchivedRevisions.php to perform the action only on a given page
[18:15:38] <Vulpix>	 Oh, look! deleteOldRevisions.php has that option, but guess what? it's Undocumented :)
[18:16:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Video rendering/transcoding fails for certain .ogg and.ogv files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46650  (10Jan Gerber)
[18:21:41] <Vulpix>	 !class Maintenance
[18:21:41] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classMaintenance.html
[18:23:14] <Vulpix>	 the way the --page_id argument is code is really awkward
[18:23:18] <Vulpix>	 *coded
[18:26:40] <Vulpix>	 wtf
[18:31:12] <Vulpix>	 kama: actually, you can use deleteOldRevisions.php, passing the "page id" as argument, to perform the deletion on that page. The thing is... how I'm supposed to explain how to obtain that page id?
[18:35:34] <Vulpix>	 kama: If you're interested, you can get the page id viewing the HTML source code of the page. Search for wgArticleId
[18:36:03] <Amgine>	 Vulpix: also, &action=info
[18:36:35] <Amgine>	 <suddenly wonders if that's some weird extension on mw.org>
[18:36:55] <MatmaRex>	 Amgine: nah, core
[18:37:07] <Vulpix>	 Amgine: Oh, no! I was trying to save an explanation about the API ;)
[18:37:19] <Amgine>	 <laughs>
[18:39:45] <kama>	 Vulpix: i mena not delte all revisions
[18:40:54] <ankur2405>	 hi everyone :)
[18:41:24] <ankur2405>	 I am a first time contributor
[18:41:41] <Vulpix>	 kama: deleteOldRevisions.php will delete the history of all pages except the most recent revision. If you pass a page id to it, it will perform the deletion only to that page and not all of them
[18:41:54] <marktraceur>	 ankur2405: Hello and welcome!
[18:42:20] <bawolff>	 Hi ankur2405 
[18:42:21] <Amgine>	 kama: actually, having all those revisions will not greatly increase the database size. I wouldn't worry about it unless you find your wiki is really beginning to eat a large/worrisome percentage of your storage.
[18:42:30] <Amgine>	 Hi ankur2405!
[18:42:49] <ankur2405>	 I have got a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42723#c0 but unable to find its URL where i can get the code or documentation to work on/around
[18:43:32] <ankur2405>	 as i am a first time contributor so seeking help
[18:43:48] <ankur2405>	 unable to find something relevant on mediawiki FAQs
[18:44:05] <Vulpix>	 wait, why that bug has an +easy tag on it?
[18:44:48] <Amgine>	  !ask Reedy
[18:45:04] * bawolff  agrees, seems an odd task to propose to newbies

[18:45:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable "File mover" flag on it.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53913   +shell (10Roberto Mura)
[18:45:26] <bawolff>	 although I suppose it is technically easy to do
[18:45:33] <Vulpix>	 is that bug actually fixable somewhat?
[18:45:54] <bawolff>	 yeah, just copy and paste stuff from various branches
[18:46:03] <ankur2405>	 Reedy : could you please help me? 
[18:46:37] <ankur2405>	 Can anyone suggest me any ticket to start with?
[18:46:37] <Vulpix>	 >> Reedy: idle for 1 day, 3 hours, 42 minutes, 48 seconds (on since vie 06 sep 2013 22:19:57 CEST)
[18:46:37] <ecmabot-wm>	 Vulpix: SyntaxError: Unexpected token for
[18:46:39] <ankur2405>	 i am a beginner
[18:46:40] <bawolff>	 He's asking that the HISTORY file in master, include stuff that's in the RELEASE-NOTES file in the REL1_19, REL1_20, REL1_21 branches
[18:47:12] <Amgine>	 ankur2405: I meant that Reedy tagged it as easy. Unfortunately, Reedy may be afk since it's evening on Sunday in xyr locale.
[18:47:33] <ankur2405>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40485 got this one too but problem is same couldn't find the code or doc to work on
[18:47:58] <Vulpix>	 bawolff: Oh, I misinterpreted what that bug say
[18:48:24] <bawolff>	 ankur2405: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35486 may be more of a programming bug
[18:48:42] <ankur2405>	 Thanks bawloff :) i will have a look
[18:50:30] <ankur2405>	 i want something in PHP only. and moreover bawolff still the problem persists where is the code on which i have to work? :(
[18:50:51] <bawolff>	 oh, yeah we should probably tell you that ;)
[18:51:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Doesn't get along with MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53914  +comment (10Technical_13)
[18:51:01] <bawolff>	 just a moment
[18:52:16] <ankur2405>	 thanks for the prompt reply :)
[18:52:36] <bawolff>	 ankur2405: How much do you know about git?
[18:53:25] <bawolff>	 ankur2405: There's a tutorial at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Tutorial
[18:53:48] <bawolff>	 ankur2405: Basically we use a program called git to store all our source code
[18:54:04] <Amgine>	 (also [[mw:Download from Git]])
[18:54:26] <ankur2405>	 ok thanks will have a look at it :)
[18:54:59] <ankur2405>	 yeah i know that we store our code in git
[18:55:06] <ankur2405>	 i am a newbie in using git
[18:55:18] * Bryan  craves back to SVN days

[18:56:02] <bawolff>	 I've finally gotten to like git. Took me about 6 months of using it until I stopped craving svn
[18:56:15] <Amgine>	 <does too> Not with even the slightest justification, mind.
[18:57:31] <Bryan>	 git is not that bad once you're used to it
[18:57:47] <MatmaRex>	 git is the best thing ever
[18:57:48] <Bryan>	 but I just got back to it after a few months of absence and it was already horrible 
[18:58:08] <Bryan>	 so I don't even want to imagine what it is like to a beginner
[18:58:13] <bawolff>	 Well one I say not liking git, I really mean not liking gerrit/our git workflow
[18:58:18] <bawolff>	 *when
[18:58:27] <Amgine>	 That's like saying "using a hammer isn't bad once you get used to it." It can do too much, be tweaked too much.
[18:58:31] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: speaking from my own experience, it's much easier if you've never used SVN in the past
[18:59:29] <Bryan>	 Amgine: at the university we had a saying, "everything can be used as a hammer, and a hammer can be used for anything" :)
[18:59:36] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: also, graphical interface for at least viewing commits is a must, for beginners and pros alike
[18:59:37] <ori-l>	 MatmaRex: i take that as a variant of "lisp/haskell is super-easy if you haven't already been poisoned by C-like imperative languages"
[18:59:38] <Bryan>	 *to solve for anything
[19:00:02] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: heh
[19:00:03] <Amgine>	 'zactly. And an acetylene torch is also known as flame wrench.
[19:00:20] <Bryan>	 MatmaRex: yeah, I'm using the Eclipse git client which is pretty awesome
[19:00:30] <Bryan>	 without it I would have given up on MediaWiki long time ago
[19:00:59] <MatmaRex>	 i'm using a little plugin for sublime, but only because it's marginally faster not to alt-tab to console when i'm coding
[19:01:23] <MatmaRex>	 and i usually have gitk open for viewing commits
[19:01:36] <MatmaRex>	 git gui is also ocasionally useful and less painful than git add -p
[19:02:43] <MatmaRex>	 git's command-line "language" does suck (you have to learn it like, well, a foreign language, especially if you're already fluent in svn ;) ), but basically all other parts of it are awesome
[19:03:10] <MatmaRex>	 also, meld for rebasing.
[19:03:14] <MatmaRex>	 Bryan: ^
[19:07:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Extension:ParserFunctions may be misused to cirvumvent spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53925 major; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; ()
[19:18:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899  +comment (10PRO)
[19:19:11] <ori-l>	 hey MatmaRex, got a sec?
[19:20:17] <ori-l>	 nevermind, figured it out
[19:25:46] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: alright. i'm around, though.
[19:26:07] <ori-l>	 i figured out bug 53734, updating it
[19:26:51] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: oh, cool
[19:27:07] <Vulpix>	 whoa, that explains why on mediawiki.org I no longer had monospace font on the normal edit window
[19:27:19] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#Nastaliq_template_broken.3F is probably also the same thing, isn't it?
[19:27:32] <MatmaRex>	 (brb)
[19:40:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899  (10kelvinsong10)
[19:40:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setting language to anything other than "en" changes default edit-window font from monospaced to sans-serif - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53734  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[19:44:18] <ori-l>	 MatmaRex: it's not the same thing; CodeEditor (= MediaWiki extension wrapping ACE Code Editor) is now the default editor interface for JS / CSS, and its styling is deliberate
[19:44:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899  +comment (10perhelion1)
[19:44:57] <ori-l>	 it may make sense to style it differently (or not to style it at all), but either way it's not the ULS issue
[19:47:06] <Nemo_bis>	 uh, thanks ori-l 
[19:47:41] <ori-l>	 uh, you're welcome :P
[19:47:46] <Nemo_bis>	 of course everyone's flying again
[19:50:11] <Nemo_bis>	 wtf http://www.panynj.gov/airports/jfk-wifi-instructions.html
[19:50:23] <Nemo_bis>	 let's hope twn doesn't go down again then :)
[19:51:19] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: i meant the last section on that page :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#Nastaliq_template_broken.3F
[19:52:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 'middle' clicking "view changes' to open in a new tab causes you to navigate in the current dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50949  +comment (10Quiddity)
[19:52:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo: ctrl+click & middle click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52319  +comment (10Quiddity)
[19:54:35] <rnauser>	 Hello, does someone have the time to help me with Categories, pm me if you feel like you want to help. regards
[19:56:39] <Nemo_bis>	 rnauser: what's your issue?
[19:57:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Help is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category
[19:57:55] <rnauser>	 ye i been reading that page ;) but i think i am missing somethings, or perhaps i dont know how categories works
[19:58:27] <ori-l>	 MatmaRex: sounds related but I'm not sure
[19:58:43] <ori-l>	 probably not the exact same problem because <span> elements do inherit font styles
[20:00:06] <rnauser>	 Nemo_bis i have a Category on my wikipage with the name "Category:Templates", i only want templates too show up there but somehow all my wikipages shows up there :P
[20:00:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activate Huggle in Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50590  +comment (10a.m.h.e.s)
[20:00:38] <ori-l>	 https://dpaste.de/eSjV6/ should fix 53734 but I'm not submitting it since I'm (a) not sure it's the best solution; (b) not sure if there are any browsers that *do* allow input elements to inherit font styles by default.
[20:01:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Notification when user becomes auto-confirmed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52690  (10Quiddity)
[20:01:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add echo notification to alert users when they are added/removed from a group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45859  (10Quiddity)
[20:01:49] <Nemo_bis>	 rnauser: if you put the category on the template, you have to use <noinclude> tag around it
[20:02:26] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: all mainstream browsers use monospace font for textareas
[20:02:47] <rnauser>	 Nemo_bis think i have done that with every template, but i check it again, thx for the help so far :)
[20:02:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activate Huggle in Arabic Wikipedia (arwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50590  +comment (10a.m.h.e.s)
[20:03:01] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: btw, you'd probably have to submit that patch to the github repo, because the language team are special snowflakes :/
[20:03:39] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: it's not specific to them
[20:04:16] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: who else does?
[20:04:33] <MatmaRex>	 who else uses github as primary code repository? *
[20:04:51] <ori-l>	 analytics for certain things, I think
[20:04:54] <MatmaRex>	 some mobile and analytics stuff is on github
[20:05:09] <MatmaRex>	 but that stuff is not MediaWiki extensions
[20:05:55] <ori-l>	 neither is this, strictly speaking, since ULS treats jquery.webfonts.js as an upstream
[20:06:03] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: i'd revert https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.webfonts/commit/39e3851ca1e17e7e9d5968b0af1a0523abf87060 and deploy that four days ago :/
[20:06:12] <rnauser>	 Nemo_bis lol sorry but i had forgotten to but in <noinclude></noinclude> on two templates, thx for help, and sorry :D
[20:06:35] <Nemo_bis>	 rnauser: :)
[20:07:24] <ori-l>	 MatmaRex: well, just because the fix screws up input elements doesn't mean that it doesn't actually fix non-input elements that would be broken otherwise (due to inappropriately inheriting font-family from a parent)
[20:07:28] <MatmaRex>	 ori-l: also lol, you're right, this is ran for every element on the page with lang, style or class attribute. i'm sure it's preformant as hell
[20:07:54] <ori-l>	 yeah, that's the deeper reason not to hack it; i think the whole approach needs to be reconsidered
[20:08:13] <Elsie>	 Hello.
[20:08:14] <Elsie>	 I'm here.
[20:08:57] <MatmaRex>	 i wonder if it's possible to revert commits from web interface on github. it seems like it's not, sadly
[20:13:46] <ori-l>	 my intuition (i haven't actually thought it through in detail) is that it'd be better to assemble a block of CSS that uses specific selectors that do not cascade and inject that into the page in one go as a <style> element
[20:13:46] <ori-l>	 this code accesses the DOM a whole lot more than it should
[20:13:48] <ori-l>	 i think temporarily disabling that part of the code might be warranted on grounds of performance
[20:13:48] <ori-l>	 that's not what users are complaining about but that's likely because performance degradation isn't something you can pinpoint easily
[20:13:48] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: that's not a MediaWiki extension either
[20:13:48] <Nemo_bis>	 the extension is on gerrit
[20:13:48] <Nemo_bis>	 sure, so far the actual usage outside MediaWiki is slight, but there is some interest and it has a rationale
[20:13:48] <Nemo_bis>	 it's not like the language team members like it either :) it's not for their fun
[20:15:47] <ori-l>	 we could probably obviate the need for that by making github replication a bit nicer
[20:16:42] <Nemo_bis>	 Elsie: I don't see you.
[20:17:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo should support user subscriptions to feeds (for newsletters and publications such as The Wikipedia Signpost) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43840  +comment (10Quiddity)
[20:18:21] <z4sk0>	 hi all
[20:18:23] <z4sk0>	 i am trying to record my voice with "rec audio.wav rate 64k silence 3 0.1 1.5% 2.3 3.0 3%". The idea is that only record when detect my voice, but the problem its that to many times cut the first letters of the sentence. Any ideas?
[20:19:17] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't think you're in the right channel
[20:19:31] <Jasper_Deng>	 z4sk0: are you sure you have a MediaWiki-related issue here?
[20:20:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: <div class="ve-ce-protectedNode"> not always preventing editing in VE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53767  (10kwwilliams)
[20:26:23] <ashley>	 does the ResourceLoader not play nice with CSS @imports or...?
[20:27:17] <T13>	 ashley: need type=raw
[20:27:36] <ashley>	 huh?
[20:27:44] <ori-l>	 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35562
[20:27:54] <T13>	 For the url of the page you are importing.
[20:28:26] <ashley>	 what if I'm not importing a /page/? duh
[20:28:31] <ashley>	 "For core and extensions we do not support usage of @import"
[20:28:40] <ashley>	 sometimes I honestly wonder if there is something ResourceLoader supports...
[20:28:50] <ori-l>	 there's a good reason for that
[20:29:37] <ori-l>	 resourceloader achieves performance gains by concatenating multiple resources so that they can be fetched in a single request
[20:30:37] <ori-l>	 if you're using import, you're essentially deferring it to the browser to realize that it needs another stylesheet and to make a separate request to the server for it
[20:31:10] <ori-l>	 its approach is "here's everything you need" vs. "here's what you asked for, but by the way you're going to also want X, Y & Z"
[20:32:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG masks fail to render (or even display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53899  (10kelvinsong10)
[20:32:19] <ori-l>	 you could have resourceloader preprocess CSS to substitute the actual imported CSS whenever an @import is encountered but there are problems with that
[20:32:44] <ori-l>	 namely avoiding duplication if a CSS file is imported multiple times and avoiding having two separate notations on the server for declaring dependencies between CSS modules
[20:34:16] <ori-l>	 adopting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining by browser vendors will make this trick obsolete eventually
[20:34:37] <ori-l>	 anyhow.
[20:34:41] * ori-l  is talking to himself.

[20:35:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) br tags are not processed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53926 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; ()
[20:41:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw mw_math_png instead of the description on [[mw:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53916  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[20:41:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing messages at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50971  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[20:42:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) br tags are not processed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53926  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[20:48:53] <lazowik>	 MatmaRex: http://escapedevnull.com/instance/devnull-google-poland-krakow/
[20:48:59] <lazowik>	 rejestracja już zamknięta :(
[20:49:04] <lazowik>	 ale może kiedyś powtórzą
[20:50:17] <lazowik>	 hmm, wrong chnnel :)
[20:50:33] <lazowik>	 but person right :D
[20:50:44] <MatmaRex>	 lazowik: :D interesting
[20:51:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing messages at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50971  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[20:52:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Windows 8 App: About wikipedia page image and more info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45796  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[20:52:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) App icon broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44995  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[20:52:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Windows 8 App: About wikipedia page image and more info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45796  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[20:53:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) See about custom user-agent string for Windows 8 app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37278  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[20:56:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Templates and tables {{infobox ship begin}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53927 normal; Parsoid: General; ()
[20:58:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unintuitive echo notification counter when reading HTML (text browser) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53928 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[21:06:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove user icon from personal tools in Vector and Monobook skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45056  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:16:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Win8 app crashes when hub loaded in Tamil (ta) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41431  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:18:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Win8: Chinese "on this day" entries show huge text, "undefined" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41432  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:26:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "Reset your password" link should come after the password box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53929 normal; MediaWiki: User login and signup; ()
[21:28:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Reset your password" link should come after the password box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53929  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[21:28:37] <varnent>	 is there any "technical" reason why MW couldn't publicly hide the IP address of anon users?  I can't imagine why there would be - but before I say that...
[21:31:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inputting dates with only works if you're inputting them in English or numerically, not if you're inputting them with other languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53924  (10Andre Klapper)
[21:34:45] <Betacommand>	 varnent: it would make blocking a bitch
[21:35:20] <varnent>	 so allowing for admins to be able to see them
[21:36:18] <varnent>	 Betacommand: so basically just limit display of IP to non-sysop level or above, checkuser, staff - so not displayed for most reg users and anon users
[21:36:57] <Betacommand>	 varnent: why not just have users create accounts?
[21:37:48] <varnent>	 betacommand: well - I could give a long-winded privacy answer - but let's just leave it at it's something folks are wondering about - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Still_no_IP_privacy_protection.
[21:38:57] <Betacommand>	 varnent: its something that is doable but tradeoff just isnt there
[21:39:26] <Betacommand>	 would require a lot of re-writing core code, and adding a LOT of new features
[21:39:31] <varnent>	 well - I personally think tradeoff is debatable - but I am more interested in technical aspect
[21:40:03] <Betacommand>	 varnent: if someone is worried about privacy they should create an account
[21:40:16] <varnent>	 would it though?  we're basically talking about a display code that switches based on permissions
[21:40:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Item and Property talk pages should have the name of the item/property at the top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44942  +comment (10Yair Rand)
[21:40:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change the display of the title of talk pages of items and properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51044  +comment (10Yair Rand)
[21:40:47] <Betacommand>	 varnent: yes, its not just "display code"
[21:40:55] <varnent>	 betacommand: rightly or wrongly - that's just not an argument you're going to win with some people - sorry - and I think it's at least worth listening to that crowd - I obviously don't care personally as I have an account
[21:41:25] <Betacommand>	 its block lookup, contrib lookup, talk pages, page history and a lot more places
[21:41:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) watchlist and recent changes should show label for talk page changes too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52672  +comment (10Yair Rand)
[21:42:27] <Betacommand>	 realistically it would require a major rewrite and it would break a lot of extensions
[21:42:46] <varnent>	 I'm curious if others agreee
[21:43:07] <Betacommand>	 varnent: there is nothing to disagree about those facts
[21:43:26] <Betacommand>	 its theoretically possible
[21:43:45] <Betacommand>	 but would require way too much re-writing
[21:43:49] <varnent>	 when it came up in a dev conversation in HK - that was not the reaction of other developers also familiar with core
[21:44:04] <varnent>	 which is why I am curious what others think as well
[21:44:12] <Betacommand>	 varnent: what was their thought?
[21:44:34] <Betacommand>	 how much experience with the code do they have?
[21:45:12] <Betacommand>	 you also need to factor in the wiki side of things
[21:46:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable "File mover" flag on it.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53913  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:46:07] <varnent>	 they were supervisor level engineering folks - I am confident they know the core - but the context didn't go into details - it was a chat about the privacy policy and a thought that this change was likely at some point - someone said how hard would that be and the murmured reactions were "it'd be doable - not too hard"
[21:46:22] <varnent>	 that is why I was asking though - it didn't go in depth
[21:46:43] <varnent>	 so I'm curious what technical arguments against it there could be - and I think you brought up really great ones - but I am curious what others think as well
[21:46:43] <Betacommand>	 varnent: they where full of crap
[21:47:06] <Betacommand>	 Not too hard is utter bullshit
[21:47:14] <varnent>	 okay - and I appreciate your opinion - but again - I am only saying I am curious what others think.. calm down
[21:47:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) See about custom user-agent string for Windows 8 app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37278  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[21:47:48] <Betacommand>	 they have no clue on the structure of mediawiki nor how things are stored, processed or displayed
[21:48:52] <varnent>	 let's just agree to disagree on the qualifications of who was there as I don't recall names - just that it was a group I felt was qualified - all people whose name appears on the Version page
[21:49:01] <Betacommand>	 varnent: I think you missed a key point, they are a supervisor , which means they are clueless of how things work
[21:49:30] <varnent>	 anyway - I would encourage you to express your concerns about the technical challenges on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Still_no_IP_privacy_protection.
[21:49:43] <Reedy>	 Amgine: The fix for that bug is to copy paste
[21:49:49] <Reedy>	 There's nothing any more complex than that
[21:49:59] <Reedy>	 If point release notes aren't in HISTORY, add them
[21:52:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update HISTORY with point release changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42723  +comment (10sam)
[21:52:35] <Betacommand>	 varnent: There is nothing at all a regular user would need to know another's IP for. Not sure where that has come from, but I take it you havent done much abusive users
[21:53:12] <Betacommand>	 Its often useful for IDing sock, COI and a host of other activities that shouldnt be happening
[21:53:14] <varnent>	 Betacommand: exactly my point - so if most users don't need to know another's IP - why bother displaying it?
[21:53:32] <Betacommand>	 varnent: a lot of users deal with that stuff
[21:53:46] <Betacommand>	 quite a few of them are non-admins
[21:54:19] <Betacommand>	 one example is identifying IP addresses of schools, which are a known source of abuse
[21:54:22] <varnent>	 betacommand: I think you are missing my point entirely - this is a conversation worth having from a privacy perspective - it is in-fact happening already without you or I doing anything - so at this point - I am more contemplating if it could be done in code or if it would completely break the whole thing
[21:54:36] <varnent>	 I am not going to debate this more with you - sorry - take it on-wiki https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Still_no_IP_privacy_protection.
[21:54:56] <varnent>	 I will happily debate it there with you  :)
[21:54:58] <Betacommand>	 varnent: you can do anything without breaking stuff if done correctly
[21:55:02] <varnent>	 but it should be on-wiki
[21:55:10] <varnent>	 that's all I wanted to hear  :)
[21:55:37] <Betacommand>	 however the downside is drastic and wide ranging
[21:57:33] <Technical_13>	 Break stuff?
[21:58:02] <Betacommand>	 Technical_13: ??
[21:59:12] <Sid-G>	 Hi. I've just found a misbehaving rule in titleblacklist. Its quite complex, so I need help fixing it.
[21:59:17] <Sid-G>	 Here's the rule:
[21:59:30] <Sid-G>	 चित्र:\P{L}*((Ima?ge?|Pict?(ure)?|Media|Photo)[^\p{L}\p{M}]\P{L}*)?((\p{L}\p{M}*){1,2}[^\p{L}\p{M}]\P{L}*)*((orig|copy|thumb|small)\P{L}*|(\p{L}\p{M}*){1,2})?\.[^.]+  <reupload | errmsg=titleblacklist-custom-imagename>
[21:59:56] <Sid-G>	 The beginning is the localized namespace name for File
[22:01:09] <Sid-G>	 Elsie: Maybe u can help?
[22:01:21] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: where is this?
[22:01:29] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: hi-wp
[22:01:37] <Sid-G>	 It's matching a hindi filename
[22:01:54] <Sid-G>	 Filename :  हाथी_छाप_लोगो.png
[22:01:55] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: whats the filename thats being caught?
[22:02:02] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: ^
[22:02:31] <Sid-G>	 its being caught both with and without underscores
[22:02:46] <Betacommand>	 undersores are converted to spaces
[22:03:15] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: how did you narrow it down to that rule?
[22:03:25] <Sid-G>	 the deva first char is a letter, second is a mark, third's a letter, fourth's another mark
[22:03:38] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: got the user to give me the error message
[22:03:47] <Sid-G>	 used a param in the errormessage
[22:04:04] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: it gave you that specific rule?
[22:04:24] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: the message gave the user who found the trouble that specific rule
[22:05:08] <Sid-G>	 here's the errormessage: https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki%3ATitleblacklist-custom-imagename
[22:05:54] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: I used the $1 and $2 params in the message according to the examples at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Blacklist
[22:08:09] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: so, how do I fix it?
[22:08:27] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: Im still looking into it
[22:09:17] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: btw, a comment above the rule says:
[22:09:19] <Sid-G>	 # no more than two contiguous letters (raising to three would be tempting, but needs more testing):
[22:10:29] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: looks like the mixed lettering is what is causing the problems, can you select a name that doesnt mix them?
[22:10:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) See about custom user-agent string [or alternative] for Windows 8 app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37278  summary; +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[22:10:54] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: mixed lettering?
[22:11:10] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: do u mean letters+marks ?
[22:11:13] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G	the deva first char is a letter, second is a mark, third's a letter, fourth's another mark
[22:11:20] <Sid-G>	 ah
[22:11:27] <Sid-G>	 well, that can't be changed
[22:11:47] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: it can be
[22:12:06] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: vowels in deva are written with diacritics, which are encoded in unicode as marks. these marks combine with consonants to form single graphemes
[22:12:31] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: create a different file name
[22:12:32] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: so basically, most words cant be written without marks
[22:12:56] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: read above ^
[22:12:57] <Betacommand>	 or find someome who can override the the blacklist
[22:13:04] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: well, i can
[22:13:28] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: i need to fix that rule
[22:13:34] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: talk to the admin who created the filter
[22:13:45] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: inactive
[22:13:54] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: also, it was cdopy-pasted from en
[22:14:01] <Sid-G>	 *copy-pasted
[22:14:20] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: could you tell me what this rule actually does?
[22:14:45] <Betacommand>	 let me look at enwiki's list
[22:15:30] * Sid-G  waits

[22:16:01] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: its an issue between languages
[22:16:17] <Sid-G>	 ok
[22:16:44] <Betacommand>	 IE there are only 2 letters between non-letters
[22:16:47] <Sid-G>	 so, any idea what it is supposed to do?
[22:16:56] <Betacommand>	 IE 15as64494sd6263.jpg
[22:17:40] <Betacommand>	 In English a descriptive title would include at least 3 letters together
[22:17:51] <Sid-G>	 still dont get it
[22:18:03] <Reedy>	 ABC.jpg
[22:18:23] <Reedy>	 Pi
[22:18:32] <Betacommand>	 while AB.jpg should have a better name
[22:19:40] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: am I getting the point across?
[22:20:04] <Sid-G>	 right, so it discounts marks as not being valid, and considers a name valid only if contains more than two consecutive chars with the unicode letter property
[22:21:41] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: ?
[22:21:46] <Betacommand>	 yeah
[22:22:56] <Betacommand>	 language quirks which is why things shouldnt be copy/pasted to other languages without understanding how it works
[22:24:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set wgBlockDisablesLogin to true for ALL Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53871  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[22:24:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set wgBlockDisablesLogin to true for ALL Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53871  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[22:24:56] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: Is my interpretation correct?
[22:28:15] * Sid-G  waits for a response

[22:31:26] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: yeah
[22:33:09] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: ok, so will modifying it to accomodate Mn and Mc unicode classes fix it?
[22:33:55] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: most deva diacritics fall under them
[22:34:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't hide items on Special:Notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46692  +comment (10Quiddity)
[22:34:23] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: Im not sure how to do that
[22:34:32] * Sid-G  sighs

[22:34:38] <Sid-G>	 Elsie: You here?
[22:34:56] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: 1. A <big>thanks</big>
[22:35:31] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: 2. What potential problems could arise from deleting this rule?
[22:35:48] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: crappy file names
[22:35:54] <Sid-G>	 ah
[22:36:03] <Sid-G>	 well we'll handle that then
[22:36:48] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: not all title rules should be copy/pasted from en, this is a good example of one that doesnt work on non-latin based languages 
[22:37:12] <Sid-G>	 Betacommand: yup
[22:37:38] <Sid-G>	 btw, adding a # will comment it out, right?
[22:38:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Round, floor, and ceil on negative numbers may give -0 (negative zero) for the result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53930 minor; MediaWiki: Parser; ()
[22:38:38] <Technical_13>	 Why is that an issue?
[22:38:50] <Frakir>	 ??? https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal&list=alltransclusions
[22:39:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Round, floor, and ceil on negative numbers may give -0 (negative zero) for the result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53930  (10Will Murray (Willscrlt))
[22:39:43] <Betacommand>	 Sid-G: I think so
[22:41:12] <Technical_13>	 Ha
[22:41:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo should provide notifications about your revision being approved or rejected on wikis with FlaggedRevs enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52510  +comment (10Quiddity)
[22:47:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) metrics.wmflabs.org got an invalid certificate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53892  +comment (10dvanliere)
[22:48:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) metrics.wmflabs.org got an invalid certificate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53892  +comment (10dvanliere)
[22:57:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Round, floor, and ceil on negative numbers may give -0 (negative zero) for the result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53930  +comment (10Technical 13)
[22:58:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Recursive data structures are silently broken in LuaSandbox, cause an error in LuaStandalone, when sent to PHP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48393  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:06:42] <Sid-G>	 the links to hi-wp contained in email notifications are percent-encoded. Don't most modern browsers support doing that automatically, allowing the emails to contain readable links with devanagari?
[23:07:40] <Sid-G>	 so that http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF_%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE:Siddhartha_Ghai
[23:07:40] <Sid-G>	 can be written in email as
[23:07:40] <Sid-G>	 http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/सदस्य_वार्ता:Siddhartha_Ghai
[23:14:37] * Sid-G  waits for a response

[23:41:48] <RD>	 hi