[00:05:02] I had a question abotu MW obviously. [00:05:13] why does MW show I.P adressed of annons [00:05:29] good question [00:08:29] its how non-registered users are identified [00:09:00] why are they identified in such a way. [00:09:12] I mean can't they have another random numerial generator as well. [00:09:20] similair to i.ps exceot it isn;t [00:09:31] well, one thing is that it's easiest to catch abuse when IPs are known [00:10:38] and finding abuse from similar IP ranges can allow range blocks without getting a checkuser involved [00:10:54] I see. [00:11:10] wonder why freenode won't answer my question about why they have it. [00:11:17] similair reasons [00:11:18] Was there a bug report about the complaints about the new "# since last visit" links on watchlist? [00:11:37] T13: not that I am aware if [00:11:39] *of [00:11:58] Okay. [00:12:06] and they can't help me with my i.p cloak eitheir [00:12:27] ircs are great sometimes, other times they are just unresponsive [00:12:31] There were complaints on enwp... I've written js to remove for those that want it. [00:12:56] IRC's seem mainly a easy way to get information and such out their. [00:13:06] they aren't very decorative or anything [00:13:13] Superdadsuper: cloaks are meant to hide IP addresses [00:13:17] however you can alter such things most chat's would provider [00:13:24] however, IP info is a key part of IRC [00:13:32] much for the same reasons as for wikis [00:13:38] wouldn't let you. [00:13:50] they seem to be more focused on social things. [00:13:57] of course they are used for support. [00:13:58] let you what?> [00:14:08] IRC seems honeslty something that programmer's like. [00:14:17] just the way it is formatted. [00:14:22] it kinda is [00:15:19] IRC's are more plain, informationa;. [00:15:23] all about the information [00:15:39] the other kinds of chats are designed to be more comfortable looking [00:15:48] much depends on your client too [00:15:49] most users would find such cluttered text, stressing. [00:16:18] a lot of profesional ComSups like to have more colorful and such chats. [00:17:48] what was I just saying [00:18:10] one of those acidentally x outs. [00:18:28] oh yes. What programming language could I program a chat bot with? [00:18:48] various [00:18:50] like Python [00:20:11] so would it be possible to use JavaScript? [00:20:21] ehh JS isn't really recommended [00:20:27] or is their an IRC cleint that have a scripting language I can use [00:20:38] mIRC and XChat both have scripting [00:20:47] but those are called scripting for a reason [00:20:50] Python in all honestly, I would only get into the very basics of it. [00:21:00] much like you would call a JS thing on MediaWiki a script [00:21:17] a chat bot would be a program you should write using a desktop, rather than web, programming language [00:21:19] yah. I use bots on MediaWiki all AWB. [00:21:32] what do you mean? [00:21:43] only python I would learn is for when I used pywikipediabot [00:21:55] like, C# and JS would kinda be not the first choices for IRC bots [00:22:10] C++, Java, and Python are better for IRC bots [00:23:39] with pywikipediabot do I really need to learn any python? [00:23:45] I've been told I just need to know two things [00:24:00] 1. How the software works, and interacts with mediawiki [00:24:14] 03(NEW) Force HTTPS for /token if the Consumer is not using an RSA key - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54110 normal; MediaWiki extensions: OAuth; () [00:24:25] 2. How to make loops. Basically just the syntax and a loop. [00:24:36] to make it automatically [00:25:11] All I know right now is HTML and CSS. [00:25:19] as of now(literally) now now [00:25:22] Superdadsuper: depends on what your goal is [00:25:34] I am just reviewing over the course right now. [00:25:49] so that way i'm up to date ont ehri standards when I moved on to js [00:26:03] HTML, and CSS I only learned what is necessary\] [00:26:39] Superdadsuper: If you don't know a C-like language already, I'd highly recommend you do so [00:26:48] basically all the important elements of web pages. Images, text (bold, italized, underlines, sub scripts, and super scripts) [00:26:50] also, learning object-orientated programming would also help [00:26:53] I am planning on learning java [00:26:57] or soem of it [00:26:58] HTML and CSS are not programming languages [00:27:02] I know [00:27:09] markup and stylesheets [00:27:15] * Jasper_Deng knows Java with a good deal of proficiency and PHP with some proficiency, along with the ability to read but not write C++ [00:27:17] here is my agenda for programming [00:27:41] HTML, CSS (learn only what I need, basic elements, syntax, complete layouts) [00:27:47] then js [00:27:59] which I will move on to more in dept in areas. [00:28:17] learn everything I need, and then perhaps learn AJAX and Jquery [00:28:25] also learn XML [00:28:28] XSLT [00:28:30] XHTML [00:28:51] and then how tomake js, ajax, jquery and all the languages to work amongst each other more highly [00:29:00] then move on to PHP [00:29:10] PHP is a bad language to start with [00:29:16] it encourages bad programming habits [00:29:28] why i'm not starting with it [00:29:33] and its scripting [00:29:38] i am starting with js [00:29:49] then jquery, and ajax and xml languages [00:30:02] probably actionscript and some just ECMA scripts [00:30:06] you really ajax isn't a language [00:30:10] *realise [00:30:16] its a variatns [00:30:27] jquery isn't reallty eitheir [00:31:01] I would learn scripting more or less that is spefic to only one sort of software. [00:31:12] infact actionscript I may not even use with Flash [00:31:29] I could use a gif or animations program to animate and actionscript and js to do the rest. [00:31:32] variant? [00:31:41] so after php, I would learn SQL [00:31:57] MySQL I mean [00:32:05] MySQL is not a programming language on its own [00:32:16] and then basic Java [00:32:19] SQL is a different kind of language... you can script with it but it doesn't have full programming [00:32:20] somewhere along those lines [00:32:23] I'd highly recommend you do Java first [00:32:28] (or C++ first) [00:32:29] and basic Python as well [00:32:47] I just may never really get into that field veyr much jasper. [00:33:02] all my programming and coding I want to do is web based. [00:33:12] all of it I would learn for the web\ [00:33:27] even a web designer should learn a strict programming language like Java to encourage good programming habits [00:33:27] There's no point "learning" languages for the sake of learning lagnuages [00:33:55] I would not learn a language if I did not need it, but Java taught me important things; for example, having mixed data types in an array is kinda undesirable [00:34:36] what would I leanr java for the web? [00:35:51] python, and java I would python would both probably be used for [00:35:58] automated things [00:37:00] Java is a bit resource-intensive, but Python is very versatile on the web [00:37:08] MediaWiki could've been written in it [00:37:44] what python or jabva? [00:38:28] both [00:38:43] also sometimes a lot of it, its the basics are more imporant then all the advanced thigns [00:39:52] well, Java teaches some basics you won't find in PHP [00:40:03] like primitive data types or not [00:40:38] 03(mod) Add a drop-down list for the tags in Recentchanges and Newpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25909 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [00:45:09] like what [00:45:42] Java and Python I would both learn what i need to know [00:45:50] well i may get into depth more on the web stuff [00:46:11] a lot of things also you need to know how it all works, the software, api's how it works with the servers [00:46:41] and you also need to know all the different server functions and stuff. Like what resoureces are, server hardware and software things [00:46:50] how it all works [00:47:18] i'm just afraid when it comes to that confidental database password information being carried by the servers if I write the file wrong then [00:47:25] its exposed [00:47:37] the other files you can mess up. [00:48:00] the first time, and fix it, but if you get those wrong somebody could get into your database. Passwords and alls ort stolen [00:48:13] like in Mysettings.php [00:48:56] in all honesty mysql doesn't seem very hard. [00:49:59] what i don't get though is when you make scripts that ask servers things and all like mysql, and it asks servers stuff and all where does it respond and [00:50:05] aren' they basically just [00:50:15] files. That are set up and stuff. [00:50:26] and don't have a constantly updating file. [00:51:49] I don't even. [01:18:49] 03(mod) Puppet script for LaTeXML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54034 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [02:28:34] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Expose build number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53050 (10Oliver Keyes) [03:19:24] 03(mod) API: Access old versions of items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38971 +comment (10Legoktm) [04:06:41] 03(NEW) WikiLove + LQT adds a duplicate signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54111 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiLove; () [04:23:43] 03(mod) Implement support for LESS pre-processor in ResourceLoader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40964 +comment (10gerritadmin) [04:23:46] 03(mod) Implement support for LESS pre-processor in ResourceLoader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40964 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [04:43:08] 03(NEW) Status bar goes haywire when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54112 minor; Commons App: iOS (iPhone or iPad); () [04:58:05] @seen MatmaRex [04:58:05] T13: Last time I saw MatmaRex they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: ~ Miranda N/A at 9/13/2013 10:48:11 PM (6h9m54s ago) [05:06:53] 03(mod) Some infoboxes are clipped on some smartphones (wrong "min-resolution" value?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52572 +comment (10kagatlin) [05:09:21] @seen T13 [05:09:22] dan-nl: Last time I saw T13 they were changing the nickname to T13|sleeps and T13|sleeps is still in the channel #AndChat-beta at 9/14/2013 5:05:31 AM (3m50s ago) [05:09:33] @seen dan-nl [05:09:34] dan-nl: are you really looking for yourself? [05:21:43] 03(mod) monobook and RTL: ULS form (the one opened by the keyboard icon) is out of screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52154 +comment (10gerritadmin) [06:23:08] 03(mod) monobook and RTL: ULS form (the one opened by the keyboard icon) is out of screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52154 +comment (10gerritadmin) [06:25:02] 03(mod) monobook and RTL: ULS form (the one opened by the keyboard icon) is out of screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52154 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [07:21:47] 03(NEW) What links here could be improved with section for article title as full text search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54113 normal; MediaWiki: Search; () [07:22:04] 03(mod) What links here could be improved with section for article title as full text search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54113 normal->15enhancement (10Jared Zimmerman (WMF)) [07:23:44] 03(mod) Puppet has to frequently manage Apache service, for some mysterious reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51426 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [07:25:19] 03(mod) Some patch set refs not fetchable on command line, but visible in web UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53841 (10Ori Livneh) [07:28:19] 03(mod) Broken pipe error traceback from eventlogging-devserver - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52828 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [07:34:41] 03(mod) provisioning browsertests role fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53864 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [07:36:44] 03(mod) eventlogging role requires python server module, port forwarding, and special flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52872 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [07:36:45] 03(mod) Make role::eventlogging run eventlogging-devserver on port 8100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54042 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [08:02:55] 03(mod) Search suggestions misplaced in Vector after resizing window due to collapsible tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54091 +comment (10listenleser) [08:07:24] 03(mod) [Regression] Placeholder for search input is black instead of gray - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54069 +comment (10listenleser) [08:10:27] 03(mod) Search suggestions misplaced in Vector after resizing window due to collapsible tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54091 +comment (10listenleser) [08:22:45] 03(NEW) possible to edit item source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54114 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:22:59] 03(mod) possible to edit item source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54114 normal->04BLOCKER (10Lydia Pintscher) [08:28:09] 03(mod) Configure git-deploy for Gdash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53377 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:28:15] 03(mod) Configure git-deploy for Gdash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53377 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [09:13:21] 03(NEW) Allow to detect mobile externally without using AMF module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54115 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); () [09:15:32] 03(mod) Allow to detect mobile externally without using AMF module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54115 +comment (10arichards) [09:16:36] 03(mod) possible to edit item source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54114 04BLOCKER->normal (10Lydia Pintscher) [09:20:51] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link inspector should make it easier to change the label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51438 (10Chris McKenna) [09:20:52] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Improvements and behaviour changes to the link input widget (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48789 (10Chris McKenna) [09:26:07] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 summary (10db) [09:41:28] 03(mod) Can't click on you have a new message on cs.wikipedia RC page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31651 normal->minor; +comment (10Nemo) [09:52:16] 03(NEW) [Enhanced RC] Align wrapped summaries to the date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54116 enhancement; MediaWiki: Recent changes; () [09:52:19] 03(mod) Watchlist and recent changes usability issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51942 (10Nemo) [09:52:24] 03(mod) Some Claim GUIDs use lowercase q, others use uppercase Q breaking wbremoveclaims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54109 (10Addshore) [09:58:14] 03(NEW) keyboard of ULS doesn't support ZWNJ correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54117 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [10:00:17] 03(mod) [Enhanced RC] Align wrapped summaries to the date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54116 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:00:19] 03(mod) Watchlist and recent changes usability issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51942 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:01:56] Anyone know where protection log formatting is done, or does it use the default? [10:02:20] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [10:22:40] Lcawte: I'm guessing that the protection log's also using LegacyLogFormatter (see /includes/logging/LogFormatter.php) [10:28:13] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 +comment (10matma.rex) [10:30:32] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:30:34] 03(mod) Merge the 'collapsiblenav' component of Vector extension into the Vector skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46512 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:43:21] 03(mod) Figure out what to do with the 'expandablesearch' component of Vector extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46515 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:43:24] 03(mod) Figure out what to do with the 'expandablesearch' component of Vector extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46515 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [10:43:27] 03(mod) Vector's 'expandablesearch' component is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27647 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:43:29] 03(mod) Vector's 'expandablesearch' component is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27647 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [10:44:54] 03(mod) Tidy up and deploy Vector's sectionEditLinks (move section edit links next to headers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41729 +comment (10matma.rex) [10:47:13] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:47:13] 03(mod) Vector skin & extension issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44881 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:48:17] 03(mod) FOUC on main page, showing a "navigation"-caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53940 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:48:17] 03(mod) "Navigation" in sidebar is visible for a moment before disappearing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25510 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:49:47] 03(mod) SimpleSearch should use native event handling (open link in or submit form to a new tab) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34756 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:49:49] 03(mod) SimpleSearch should use native event handling (open link in or submit form to a new tab) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34756 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [10:53:47] 03(NEW) Add 'patrolmarks' right to "autoconfirmed" on ckb.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54118 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [10:54:15] 03(mod) Add 'patrolmarks' right to "autoconfirmed" on ckb.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54118 (10Calak) [11:06:03] 03(NEW) Autologin autocreate is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54119 major; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; () [11:17:29] 03(mod) SQLite support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20257 (10Jackmcbarn) [11:17:29] 03(mod) AbuseFilter doesn't work with SQLite as a backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54078 (10Jackmcbarn) [11:21:46] 03(NEW) Fatal error when $wgDebugDBTransactions is enabled with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54120 normal; MediaWiki: Database; () [11:21:47] 03(mod) Fatal error when $wgDebugDBTransactions is enabled with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54120 (10Jackmcbarn) [11:21:48] 03(mod) SQLite support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20257 (10Jackmcbarn) [11:33:48] @seen MatmaRex [11:33:48] T13|sleeps: MatmaRex is in here, right now [11:34:10] hi. [11:34:19] MatmaRex: check your memoserv messages. :) [11:35:39] seen 'em [11:41:54] I expect a fair number of people will use the code to change "since last visit" to "new". [11:43:14] Hello. I have a question about how Wikipedia generates lists. [11:43:17] Vertical real estate is expensive on smaller screens like mobile and tablet [11:43:31] In my private mediawiki-Installation I use the extension DPL (Dynamic Pagelist (Third Party)) to generate lists of pages depending on templates I use in articles. [11:43:31] Now I am afraid if DPL stops developing this extension and its not compatible with furter versions of mediawiki. [11:43:41] In the "special pages -> versions" of wikipedia I can't find the extension how they automaticaly generate lists. Which mechanism do they use? [11:44:37] !e DPL [11:44:37] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DPL [11:44:40] ??? [11:45:21] JanH: ^^^ that extension? [11:45:32] no, this one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28third-party%29 [11:47:17] T13|needsCoffee: Do you know how wikipedia generates lists? [11:47:31] JanH: I see it hasn't been updated in over a year. [11:48:08] T13|needsCoffee: Till know it is running on actual versions of mediawiki [11:48:44] Actually, Wikipedia itself doesn't generate the lists, the extensions add themselves to to list at [[Special:Version]] [11:49:13] T13|needsCoffee: I know ... [11:49:55] T13|needsCoffee: I can't imaging that they don't generate lists [11:50:27] That being said, the extensions are mostly (if not all) completely open source. So, if it fails to be compatible with a new version of the MediaWiki core... [11:51:17] You can create a ticket on Bugzilla to hopefully get someone to fix it or, you can fix the code yourself. [11:51:46] thanx - tht could help :-) [11:52:17] Usually, trying the first option first is better because when the maintainers fix it it is quickly put into place for all to use. [11:53:08] I just found an other extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28Wikimedia%29 [11:53:25] If you fix it yourself, I encourage you to go back to the Bugzilla ticket and propose a patch (once approved you could add yourself to maintainer list :0) [11:54:08] Sorry about my slow typing, I'm on an Android. [11:54:30] Happy wikiing! [11:55:41] I am astonished - they don't have that extension on their special page. [11:56:54] ok I "missread" somethint ... :-( [11:57:08] Thanx ... byebye [11:57:14] 03(NEW) Please upload > 250 mb video to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54121 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [12:00:15] 03(NEW) CDC mystery at Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54122 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [12:11:39] 03(mod) Importing a page gives link, in edit summary, to localized version of namespace making the link not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40192 +comment (10This, that and the other) [12:13:28] 03(NEW) Error message after Commons registration from campaign link on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54123 major; MediaWiki: User login and signup; () [12:34:05] 03(mod) Importing a page gives link, in edit summary, to localized version of namespace making the link not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40192 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:34:07] 03(mod) Importing a page gives link, in edit summary, to localized version of namespace making the link not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40192 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [12:43:11] 03(mod) Cite back links miss accessibility properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38141 +comment (10grahamwp) [13:25:27] 03(mod) Marathi/Devanagari: Type a word and press space bar = eliminates typed text immediately - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53700 +comment (10mahitgar) [13:30:53] 03(mod) sulinfo is unusable (takes tens of seconds) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53987 +comment (10MZMcBride) [13:33:26] 03(mod) sulinfo is unusable (takes tens of seconds) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53987 (10Cyberpower678) [13:43:31] :-( [13:43:46] Internal error [13:43:46] Unexpected value: ‘oldimage’=‘’. [13:44:02] not helpful at all. [13:45:14] What were you doing? [13:45:16] Vulpix: What? [13:46:19] Elsie: trying to revert https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vladimir_Putin%27s_press_conference_on_2012-12-20.ogv [13:46:44] Perhaps I can try deleting the file and restoring only the correct version. [13:46:52] 03(mod) Read timeout after marking pages for translation, or after sending translation notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53769 +comment (10b) [13:47:00] Elsie: your restoration of "easy" tag [13:47:11] also, slow [13:47:14] Vulpix: Yeah, some of the removals were questionable. [13:47:59] example? [13:49:47] The ones where I re-added the keyword. ;-) [13:49:56] I still haven't caught up on bugspam, though. [13:49:59] So there may be further re-additions. [13:50:21] you can search for -easy in logs [13:51:39] 03(mod) CleanChanges needs an off switch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54090 +comment (10b) [13:51:44] Elsie: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42135 yeah, a bug that needs people knowing how to design the schema change properly, marked "easy", for newcomers? [13:51:49] that's really questionable [13:52:15] It's not very difficult to update the database schema. [13:52:50] Vulpix: There's often some confusion about what an "easy" bug is. [13:52:55] It doesn't mean "no thought required." [13:53:32] If someone attempts that bug and picks the wrong approach, it'll get caught in review. [13:53:46] I know, but the difficulty here is to choose the right way to do it. I'm pretty sure a new developer wouldn't have the experience to design a good schema change [13:54:16] An old developer probably wouldn't either. ;-) [13:54:22] Database schemas are hard. [13:54:27] But implementing changes to them isn't very difficult. [13:54:36] Elsie: that's my point. New developers shouldn't be involved in long review discussions just because they aren't capable of doing this in their first time [13:54:57] 03(mod) Record stats on extension downloads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25844 +comment (10p858snake) [13:55:48] Elsie: If the bug has a good design choice, the easy keyword is fine. If it still needs further discussion, there's no point for a newcomer to take that bug [13:56:50] Elsie: that's my point. New developers shouldn't be involved in long review discussions just because they aren't capable of doing this in their first time Vulpix: Becoming a developer requires learning how to deal with the review process. :-) [13:58:13] p858snake|l: I'm pretty sure a experienced developer new to mediawiki won't need to go throug +easy bugs. That's for the not-so-experienced new developers (or at least that's what I think) [13:58:33] LET'S JUST GET RID OF ALL THE BUGS. [13:58:40] Problem solved. [13:58:49] assign all the bugs to Elsie \o/ [13:58:55] Noooooooooooooooooooooooo. [13:58:58] that's a good idea ;) [13:59:12] I'll vote for that. [13:59:44] If we make a consensus, will it be done? [14:00:19] We only need 4 let's do it votes, right? [14:00:25] :/ [14:01:26] 03(mod) GitBlit markdown parser doesn't handle ` starting on a newline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54050 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:01:43] Some days ago a new developer came here looking for bugs to resolve. When I saw some of the bugs he was picking based on that keyword... well, I was sort of scared. That's why I did a quick review of bugs marked with the +easy tag [14:02:01] but feel free to revert that, I don't really care (it's not my problem) [14:05:44] 03(mod) Enable CleanChanges extension on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53541 +comment (10b) [14:15:07] 03(NEW) Create proxy configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54124 normal; Huggle: Application; () [14:15:18] 03(mod) Create proxy configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54124 normal->15enhancement (10Peter Bena) [14:19:40] 03(NEW) Can't revert to previous version of a big file (Unexpected value: ‘oldimage’=‘’) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54125 normal; MediaWiki: File management; () [14:20:44] 03(mod) Can't revert to previous version of a big file (Unexpected value: ‘oldimage’=‘’) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54125 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [14:25:59] 03(mod) Enable Echo a little sooner in Persian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54068 +comment (10ladsgroup) [14:28:36] 03(NEW) Cite tests consistently failing on jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54126 major; Wikimedia: Continuous integration; () [14:30:51] 03(mod) Install and provide monospace fonts for all characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54102 +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [14:40:27] Hello. I would like to export all pages from my wiki and have those exported files updated evertime the original pages are updated. This is so I can sync those exported pages with another device. Any suggestions on extensions that might help do this ? [14:44:33] Just found PDF book extension, but how do I auto trigger that ? [14:46:16] grobda24: by "another device", what kind of device are you talking about? and what format do you need to feed that device? [15:03:20] marktraceur: could you explain the use of bind in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/68835/14/resources/mw.ApiUploadFormDataHandler.js [15:07:03] Vulpix: it does'nt matter. As long as I have a directory of files (in HTML, Open Document, whatever) then I can sync that directory. [15:13:14] grobda24: there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Recentchanges where you can query recent changes for the wiki in a machine-readable format, and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#UDP_updates for a UDp connection where it would output all changes [15:13:54] you'll have to check that output to get the list of pages that have been changed and recreate them on the directory with the method you use [15:17:34] Vulpix: thanks :) I'll take a look [15:27:48] Vulpix: I reluctantly agreed with you about the Bugzilla classification bug being easy. [15:28:08] Though I doubt even a new developer could make the current classification worse... [15:29:59] not a problem, maybe it's me I'm not interpreting correctly what kind of new developer are we talking about. Much of that classification is subjective [15:35:07] 03(NEW) "MediaWiki:Editing" notice did not parse a link when tried so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54127 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; () [15:38:45] 03(mod) "MediaWiki:Editing" notice did not parse a link when tried so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54127 (10Mahitgar) [15:38:47] 03(mod) internal linkings to a page, in specific mediawiki message not working when used with abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45195 (10Mahitgar) [16:09:22] 03(mod) VisualEditor breaks when Polish-language diacritics (ążśźęćńół) are input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53747 +comment (10matma.rex) [16:15:49] 03(mod) Add role=directory to the ToC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52783 (10Marius Hoch) [16:23:26] 03(mod) Unintuitive echo notification counter when reading HTML (text browser) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53928 +comment (10hoo) [16:41:34] 03(mod) Allow to detect mobile externally without using AMF module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54115 +comment (10Max Semenik) [16:41:51] 03(NEW) "Edited by author" text creates too much white space on Special:NewMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54128 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; () [16:43:24] 03(mod) "Edited by author" text creates too much white space on Special:NewMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54128 +comment (10mybugs.mail) [16:54:59] 03(mod)

unreadable on high contrast theme - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35200   +accessibility (10Marius Hoch)
[17:00:21] 03(mod) Special:BrowseData with SQL error browsing a category having filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43260  -accessibility  (10Marius Hoch)
[17:04:08] 03(mod) Allow to detect mobile externally without using AMF module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54115  (10yorktown)
[17:13:39] 03(mod) Allow full caching of all HTML, even for logged in users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2119  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[17:22:35] 03(mod) Status bar goes haywire when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54112  +comment (10Ktr101)
[17:41:07] 03(mod) Install and provide monospace fonts for all characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54102  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[17:42:54] 03(NEW) Mark mw.msg as deprecated and use mw.log.deprecate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54129 enhancement; MediaWiki: JavaScript; ()
[18:00:57] 03(mod) Mention notification text broken if there is no section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52507  +comment (10mybugs.mail)
[18:14:25] hi
[18:14:44] I have a problem in my customized skin in mediawiki 1.21.1
[18:15:05] My skin is simply not applied on the page
[18:15:52] to test, I just copied monobook skin to foobar skin and replaced the needed parts, still the new skin is not applied even with no real change to the monobook skin
[18:15:56] can anyone help?
[18:17:59] helloooo
[18:20:37] any helps?
[18:24:22] 03(mod) CodeEditor: Migrate from Ace to CodeMirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48826  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[18:24:58] 03(mod) Install and provide monospace fonts for all characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54102  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[18:27:44] 03(mod) CodeEditor: Migrate from Ace to CodeMirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48826  +comment (10yuvipanda)
[18:34:47] 03(mod) CodeEditor: Migrate from Ace to CodeMirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48826  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[18:37:35] is there someone to help me?
[18:42:35]!skinning
[18:42:35] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial and the historical archive [18:45:53] gods, that bangcode is so useless.
[18:45:55]!skinning del
[18:45:55] Successfully removed skinning
[18:46:53]!skinning is General skin help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins / List of available skins: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_skins / Skinning guides: From scratch: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial Based on another skin: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/28/mediawiki-subskin-tutorial/
[18:46:53] Key was added
[18:46:55]!skinning
[18:46:55] General skin help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins / List of available skins: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_skins / Skinning guides: From scratch: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial Based on another skin: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/28/mediawiki-subskin-tutorial/
[18:47:15] more like !skinning is a royal pain in the ass ;)
[18:47:27] heh
[18:47:36] actually, i should structure this differently
[18:47:37]!skins
[18:47:37] General skin help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins / List of available skins: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_skins / Skinning guides: From scratch: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial Based on another skin: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/28/mediawiki-subskin-tutorial/
[18:47:40]!skins unalias
[18:47:41] Alias removed!
[18:47:54]!skins is General skin help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins / List of available skins: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_skins / Creating a new skin: see !skinning
[18:47:54] Key was added
[18:47:56]!skinning del
[18:47:57] Successfully removed skinning
[18:48:37]!skinning is From scratch: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Tutorial / Based on another skin: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/28/mediawiki-subskin-tutorial/ / See also !skins for general help and list of available skins
[18:48:37] Key was added
[18:48:46]!skin
[18:48:46] There are multiple keys, refine your input: skingallery, skinning, skins, 
[18:48:53]!skin alias skins
[18:48:53] Created new alias for this key
[18:48:58]!skingallery
[18:48:58] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles
[18:49:01]