[01:11:36] Hii, I am OPW contestant. [01:11:55] Can anyone help me with my questions? [01:14:58] gicode: Hii [01:23:18] Anyone here [01:23:22] a bit [01:25:04] I am stuck somewhere, just need some quick suggestions if you have time. [01:28:56] !ask [01:28:57] Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :) [01:29:03] seriously. [01:29:27] and actually i gotta go now. see you tomorrow [01:30:40] I am OPW contestant and I start with with CSS extension project idea. [01:31:26] I have read code of current CSS extension and understand it well. [01:32:17] I have read the documentation guide on how to develop extension [01:32:17] nice. :) Url? what's the question in that? [01:33:07] Svetlana: url of css extension is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS [01:33:52] Svetlana: question is I don't know how to proceed furthur with my application process. [01:35:46] Svetlana: I found the limitations of CSS extention and try to find solution. [01:37:08] right, if it's got problems they may be formulated and fixed; as that's related to OPW I'm looking into architecture of that first [01:37:45] it's rather nice and I'm surprised they don't have their own irc channel yet [01:40:02] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Allowing_3rd_party_wiki_editors_to_run_more_CSS_features looks like that's where you've picked it up [01:40:17] Yes [01:40:53] Svetlana: I have not any technical question. [01:41:09] gicode is listed as a mentor for this and s/he's in here [01:41:32] right, so where are you at? what's up? :) [01:42:37] Svetlana: now less then 10 days left to submit proposal. [01:43:51] please idle here a bit: I am heading out for a meal and I'd have to read a bit more about how proposals are made [01:44:15] ideally you could idle here for few hours before gicode wakes up (I assume he's familiar with this particular project) [01:44:32] if you have specific questions about parts of the proposal, just ask [01:45:25] Svetlana: I try to contact with gicode, email him and ping on IRC not good response. that's why I ask here. [01:46:07] Svetlana: okay I will wait. [02:19:58] navdeep_, I read down a bit and located the documentation about writing proposal. Which bits are you at? Have you got a draft? Any questions? [02:45:46] navdeep_: Hey, sorry I missed your email earlier [02:46:53] gicode: its okay. can you reply now [02:47:46] navdeep_: Besides the proposal, the main thing you need is a microtask [02:48:17] gicode: okay. [02:48:24] Can you think of a small coding task for the extension that could be completed before the proposal deadline [02:48:48] gicode: Yes I am ready to do coding task. [02:49:01] gicode: Please guide me on it. [02:49:25] Hmm [02:49:32] gicode: give me any idea about microtask. [02:49:55] Did you notice any small bugs in the extension that could use fixing? [02:50:19] Yes I found this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35820 [02:51:20] gicode: You want me to solve this bug [02:51:25] Ah, yeah, if you fix that bug as suggested though, the project is complete. ;-) [02:51:32] :) [02:51:36] We should find something smaller [02:51:48] gicode: okay [02:52:36] Hmm [02:53:27] Maybe there is a small bug in core that would be appropriate [02:54:46] gicode: micro task or bug should be related to this extension or I can solve any other also? [02:56:03] navdeep_: Well, it would be best if it was a task related to the extension or even the project, but I am not sure what is available. [02:56:12] Are you familiar at all with HTML Purifier [02:57:24] I am trying to see if it can be used on pure CSS or if it is only for CSS in HTML [02:57:55] no I am not familiar. But if any microtask related this in ur mind. I will do. [03:01:23] navdeep_: It doesn't look like HTML Purifier does quite what we need. I am reading through some core bugs to see if there is a good one. [03:01:52] gicode: okay, I also try to find. [03:17:10] gicode: one question I have to develop some this kind of parser : https://github.com/sabberworm/PHP-CSS-Parser [03:18:29] gicode: Is this PHP-CSS-Parser(https://github.com/sabberworm/PHP-CSS-Parser) helps me ? [03:19:09] That is the parser I think should be integrated, yeah. [03:19:41] I already asked someone to write a small example script for it though. [03:19:57] but if you don't mind the risk of a little duplicate work, you are welcome to do the same. [03:20:40] I just feel bad recommending the same microtask to two people [03:21:49] gicode: please don't feel bad. we will find some other task. [03:22:15] gicode: BTW, script for what? [03:24:01] gicode: I will not do copy paste or any duplicate work, I just take idea from this parser and implement better one. [03:24:04] The task I suggested to someone else is to create a git submodule for the CSS parser within the CSS extension and then add a small example script to show how to use it. [03:24:34] is this task suggested to some OPW participant? [03:24:55] Yeah, someone else working on a proposal for the same project [03:26:05] gicode: has she done with it? if not I will do. [03:26:27] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Style Parsoid's
s to look like MediaWiki's
s rather than replacing them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53436 (10James Forrester) [03:26:27] 03(mod) Link MediaWiki styles and create Parsoid-specific CSS styling to match MediaWiki's for differing DOM elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51245 (10James Forrester) [03:27:19] navdeep_: I believe she started, but it is not donw [03:27:21] done* [03:28:28] gicode: I also want to start with some task, I feel I am late. [03:28:38] :( [03:29:39] 03(mod) Default "Other resolutions" options do not make sense for SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56508 (10Dmcdevit) [03:29:40] 03(mod) SVG rasterisation and management on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8901 (10Dmcdevit) [03:29:41] 03(mod) Multimedia support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42725 (10Dmcdevit) [03:29:41] navdeep_: You still have a whole week [03:30:12] I need to start now so that I complete and write a good proposal. [03:37:35] Hmm [03:39:24] gicode: what can I do now? [03:40:18] There has to be something [03:40:24] We just need to find it [03:40:39] Unfortunately, most people are offline until tomorrow [03:43:28] gicode: Can I do documentation of CSS extension? [03:43:54] Good question [03:44:32] What documentation do you think would be good to add? [03:45:17] gicode: sorry [03:47:02] navdeep_: Why sorry? [03:47:13] navdeep_: Have a look at this issue: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29865 [03:47:24] Does that look like something you could help with? [03:48:08] It looks like there is some overlapping text: http://i.imgur.com/KHa0h.jpg [03:49:06] It looks like a lot of people want it fixed. [03:49:17] yes [03:50:29] gicode: Can I start working on this bug? [03:52:19] Gosh darn it. It was too good to be true. That extension isn't maintained anymore and has been superceded by a different one. [03:52:23] Sorry :-( [03:53:45] gicode: Please don't be sorry. [03:58:05] gicode: I have to go out for some work. please mail me if any idea comes in your mind. [03:58:15] navdeep_: Sure, no problem [03:58:23] navdeep_: Thanks for hanging in there [03:59:02] gicode: thanks to you for giving me time. [03:59:35] gicode: Talk you soon. Bye [03:59:48] Glad to help. Catch you later [04:00:15] gicode: Are you available tomorrow on IRC at the same time? [05:45:16] 03(mod) [SpecialSearch.php] [patch] [hook] to determine default search profile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37342 +comment (10MWJames) [06:03:19] 03(mod) Provide a form of incategory: which covers subcategories as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35402 +comment (10gqqnbig) [06:18:30] In a gadget how do I redirect a user to another wiki's page creation URL with content filled in? I have the target wiki name, page title, and page content in 3 variables. [06:19:52] 03(mod) "This page is a translated version of ..." in English /en page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56518 +comment (10qgil) [06:31:18] Svetlana: Could you save the content in localStorage, redirect, then load the content into the editor? [06:35:46] What's the proper way to clear a user's login session and force them to logout? [06:40:01] lego: in PHP there's session_close() [06:40:18] but I'd think MW is more sophisticated than that [06:40:52] $user->logout() [06:40:55] >.> [06:42:55] oh [06:42:59] but that logs the current user out [06:45:06] w/ CA you could delete their session entry in the database [06:45:14] that's worked on my own wikis [06:45:43] (and does $user necessarily be the current user? It has to be only a user object, right?) [06:47:21] no matter what User object you use, logout() logs out the current user. [06:48:06] i'll look into the CA thing. [06:51:00] gicode: it sounds simpler to ask the user to copy paste [06:51:17] maybe.. or maybe there are existing examples of doing it the way you described? [06:59:13] Svetlana: Sorry, I don't know of a MediaWiki example. A Google search for localStorage might help though. [06:59:20] ta [07:04:52] for the bug(https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50954),how can i reproduce it? [07:29:24] 03(NEW) Google uses unsighted version of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56526 minor; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; () [07:43:54] it's late at night here, and very early in the morning in .eu, so i don't expect many to be active right now, but i do have a problem [07:44:06] i need to display anonnotice to certain namespaces only [07:44:10] and i can't see how to do that [07:44:28] any ideas? [07:47:06] roycroft: Google finds this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Anonnotice [07:50:03] roycroft: This might work: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralNotice [07:51:56] i looked through the annonotice talk page before, and i just perused it again, and did not see anything that looked like it would help [07:52:46] i need to embed some php code into the anonnotice to do this [07:52:48] roycroft: there is mention about This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}. [07:53:03] roycroft: I do not know what it does, however. [07:53:08] and it's not parsing the php [07:54:43] thanks, though [07:55:58] * roycroft thinks he'll retire for the evening and take a fresh look at it in the morning, after his extra hour of sleep [07:59:25] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Don't encourage users to set a group for reference lists (as that's only rarely used) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55725 +comment (10juandevojnikov) [08:09:27] Whoops https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit%2FReports%2FOpen_changesets_by_newbie_owner&diff=812977&oldid=812552 [08:15:06] 03(mod) $namespaceAliases change Korean message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53617 -shell (10Nemo) [08:23:51] 03(mod) last search results page contains next page link if result count is multiple of limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19938 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:27:27] 03(mod) Show category links above the edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2679 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:29:15] 03(mod) Show category links above the edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2679 +comment (10federicoleva) [08:39:25] Hey, I am working on the bug 51378 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51378&list_id=224151 I have cloned the extension, I want to know what I should Do next. Can anyone please help me? [08:41:50] 03(mod) Gerrit makes many unnecessary requests to fetch gravatars on each page load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56350 +comment (10Nemo) [08:42:42] where is the translation editor in locally installed mediawiki page [08:42:43] > [08:42:59] roopak: What is a translation editor? [08:44:08] actually I was working on the bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50954 adn I was not able to reproduce the bug. [08:50:51] 03(NEW) Gerrit [apparently] not sending emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56527 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [08:52:13] 03(NEW) grrrit-wm (and perhaps gerrit mails) silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 major; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [08:53:35] 03(NEW) LocalisationUpdate failed: git pull of extensions failed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56529 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; () [08:54:14] 03(mod) Gerrit [apparently] not sending emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56527 +comment (10Nemo) [08:54:15] 03(mod) grrrit-wm (and perhaps gerrit mails) silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 +comment (10Nemo) [08:54:43] 03(mod) [PostgreSQL] Query failed: ERROR: column "uoi_user_registration" does not exist ...ID::getUserOpenIDInformation */ uoi_openid, uoi_user_r... in includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php line 254 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34844 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:54:45] 03(mod) [PostgreSQL] update.php: Call to undefined method PostgresField::isMultipleKey() in OpenID.hooks.php on line 361 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34846 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:55:45] 03(mod) [PostgreSQL] Query failed: ERROR: column "uoi_user_registration" does not exist ...ID::getUserOpenIDInformation */ uoi_openid, uoi_user_r... in includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php line 254 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34844 +comment (10T. Gries) [08:56:32] 03(mod) [PostgreSQL] update.php: Call to undefined method PostgresField::isMultipleKey() in OpenID.hooks.php on line 361 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34846 +comment (10T. Gries) [08:59:54] (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50954) how can I reproduce this bug in my loacally installed mediawiki?? [09:01:36] roopak: the "Steps to reproduce" section should help with to the reproduce the bug [09:02:28] Im not understanding that which is the translation editor [09:02:57] Do you have the translate extension setup? [09:03:09] yes [09:04:43] I got the js file having the bug, but I m not able to test it [09:05:35] have you set the extension up in MediaWiki and started using it? [09:05:37] 03(mod) {{#switch}} should not cast values to integers or floats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46095 +comment (10pleasestand) [09:06:26] 03(mod) Query to get feedback for watchlisted pages performs poorly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39326 +comment (10Innocenti Maresin) [09:08:10] no actually I dont know how to set up the extension.Can you help me on doing that [09:08:35] roopak: If that is your problem, you should have asked that first. [09:13:33] 03(mod) pywikibot transliteration should support more scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56524 +comment (10ebraminio) [09:25:26] where is the function for add documentation defined? [09:35:14] 03(mod) Wrong place for References header in noreferences.py - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55409 +comment (10xqt) [09:35:14] 03(mod) After adding documentation, "Add documentation" should be "Edit documentation" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50954 +comment (10roopak) [09:39:15] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: do not remove line break before first category when a user deletes {{DEFAULTSORT}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56530 normal; VisualEditor: General; () [09:42:25] Does someone know? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:ConfirmEdit/Use_2_captcha_types [10:02:47] 03(NEW) -verbose option fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56531 normal; Pywikibot: General; () [10:06:53] 03(mod) Internal error with Modern and Monobook on specific pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56409 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:20:54] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-run wikipage content handlers (jquery.makeCollapsible, jquery.tablesorter) when rendering new revision after save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51565 +comment (10Helder) [10:23:41] Weird, Shinjiman has not registered on gerrit yet? [10:27:36] Has anyone used mediawiki to convert doc , docx files to wiki text? [10:27:47] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: saving a page should update both wgRevisionId and wgCurRevisionId - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56532 normal; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [10:28:24] 03(mod) Revision deletion's radio buttons labelled yes/no can be confusing, replace with hidden/visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56210 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:45:57] 03(mod) -verbose option fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56531 (10xqt) [10:55:40] 03(mod) -verbose option fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56531 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:55:43] 03(mod) -verbose option fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56531 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [11:03:02] 03(mod) grrrit-wm (and perhaps gerrit mails) silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 +comment (10federicoleva) [11:07:53] 03(mod) MeetBot for #wikimedia-office - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46377 +comment (10Nemo) [11:17:28] 03(mod) "replace all" does not work with a regular expression that contains a caret or a dollar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56228 (10orlodrim) [11:18:38] 03(mod) MeetBot for #wikimedia-office - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46377 (10Nemo) [11:18:38] 03(NEW) Let MeetBot logs be indexed and archived - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56533 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [11:19:34] 03(mod) Misspelled global variable in SecurePasswords.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51378 +comment (10durgasubramanian94) [11:20:43] 03(mod) Misspelled global variable in SecurePasswords.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51378 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [11:20:44] 03(mod) Misspelled global variable in SecurePasswords.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51378 +comment (10gerritadmin) [11:25:21] 03(mod) Misspelled global variable in SecurePasswords.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51378 +comment (10gerritadmin) [11:26:07] 03(mod) Misspelled global variable in SecurePasswords.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51378 (10Siebrand Mazeland) [11:26:56] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Re-run wikipage content handlers (jquery.makeCollapsible, jquery.tablesorter) when rendering new revision after save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51565 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:27:48] How cna I import libreoffice mediawiki_web exports? [11:28:08] 03(mod) Internal error with Modern and Monobook on specific pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56409 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:31:32] 03(mod) Change style of "Your edit was saved." message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56313 +comment (10aranet100) [12:10:38] !wikipmediawiki [12:10:38] Confused about the differences between MediaWiki, Wikimedia, Wikipedia and wiki? See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki [12:26:15] 03(mod) Success messages shouldn't use red color - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49077 -easy (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:26:39] 03(mod) Success messages shouldn't use red color - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49077 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [13:31:53] 03(NEW) Wikidata diff page doesn't show added reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56534 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; () [14:11:01] 03(mod) Guided bug reporting links en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56423 -easy (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:12:36] 03(mod) Contact us URL behavior needs tweak on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52505 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:27:19] 03(mod) Can't create account "Nojhan" (user with a former SVN account not migrated) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53793 summary (10Nemo) [14:36:44] 03(NEW) Can't create account on wikitech: unhelpful error if shell username is taken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56535 normal; Wikimedia Labs: wikitech-interface; () [14:38:44] 03(mod) Multiple uploads with the same title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31208 +comment (10Pikne) [14:45:46] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GitHub readme is 404 [14:51:32] 03(NEW) The "About Beta Features" link on prefs tab should link to translated page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56536 major; MediaWiki extensions: BetaFeatures; () [15:03:44] 03(mod) Wikidata diff page doesn't show added reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56534 +comment (10thorsten.h) [15:13:28] Which extention is preferred for getting video support, looking for webM and ogg theora. Can store video elsewhere, but upload from panel preferred. Bonus for youtube embedding. Found this so far http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Html5mediator [15:13:37] 03(NEW) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 normal; MediaWiki extensions: BetaFeatures; () [15:13:55] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 normal->15enhancement (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [15:14:22] 03(mod) Don't use current translation of a string as a suggestion for it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40711 +comment (10federicoleva) [15:22:02] MatmaRex: how does one disable the wikieditor edit toolbar nowadays? I don't find it in https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing [15:22:14] ah there it is, sigh [15:22:48] so many idiotic defaults to change when creating an accoount [15:22:57] Nemo_bis: why would you want to use that wretched thing :( [15:23:22] btw, Nemo_bis – tell me, is it just me about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 ? [15:24:16] MatmaRex: I'm not using it, that's why I disable it [15:24:30] also, the welcome notification uses (!) as icon [15:25:26] MatmaRex: I don't understand, why do you think that the extension should not have a meaningless name? [15:26:00] It's just a marketing extension to make people test the last shiny explosive thing, it must be a buzzwords soup. [15:26:20] Nemo_bis: because i still care! [15:26:35] Care about what [15:26:42] the humanity! [15:27:04] and you can be full of buzzwords and not name your project the stupidest thing [15:27:05] The name serves the purpose of the extension. Do you disagree with the purpose? [15:27:14] no. i disagree with the name. [15:28:09] 03(NEW) Wrong character encoding of URL provided to media player - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56538 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; () [15:34:49] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 +comment (10Nemo) [15:36:30] 03(mod) Add timestamp/time to complete each entry in update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28278 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:36:32] 03(mod) Add timestamp/time to complete each entry in update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28278 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [15:39:02] 03(mod) Revision deletion's radio buttons labelled yes/no can be confusing, replace with hidden/visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56210 (10Tony Thomas) [15:39:18] replied on the bug because it's you but I doubt anything useful is going to come from it :) [15:39:26] 03(mod) gerrit mails and grrrit-wm silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 major->04CRIT; summary; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [15:40:56] heh Nemo_bis, okay [15:41:33] i doubt either, i would probably have to report this a few weeks ago to make it actionable (and that's assuming i am in fact right, which is not necesarily the case) [15:41:44] but i felt like seying it, so i did [15:41:45] brb [15:42:09] MatmaRex: can you check if I'm right about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93324 [15:43:00] MatmaRex: What do you mean, "the English word" for 'beta'? It's a Hreek word. [15:43:08] Or Greek, for those who can type. [15:44:39] 03(mod) Using SD to browse subobjects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31271 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [15:55:38] James_F: well yeah, it's greek in origin, but the [15:55:43] gah [15:55:53] 03(mod) gerrit mails and grrrit-wm silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 +comment (10federicoleva) [15:55:54] but the "beat features" name is clearly english, and so's the "beta" in it [15:56:17] blah, i said "Latin" in the bug… of course i meant "Greek" there [15:56:56] MatmaRex: Replying on the bug. [15:57:49] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 +comment (10James Forrester) [15:58:17] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 +comment (10matma.rex) [15:59:12] 03(NEW) Wikidata is the number five in number of active editors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56539 normal; Analytics: Limn Dashboards; () [15:59:33] James_F: the closest "broad, inclusive term" is "functionality", and now *that* sounds really clinical to me :( [15:59:47] MatmaRex: So… don't call it that in your language. [15:59:58] there is no other term for this in my language [16:00:00] MatmaRex: Bugzilla is not the place to discuss translation issues; that's translatewiki.net. [16:00:05] except for "things" [16:00:20] MatmaRex: So call it "things" then? [16:00:28] MatmaRex: "Experimental functionality" is an insane term to use in English, however. [16:00:47] James_F: i agree, which is why it sucks that it gets used in translations [16:01:03] MatmaRex: "Experimental functionality" is an insane term to use in English, however.? [16:01:05] you don't need to know them all to spot all the 'functions' and 'experiments' in them, with some diacritical marks [16:01:07] Err. [16:01:09] MatmaRex: So say something on translatewiki.net, where the translators will see it? [16:01:27] James_F: do you think people read documentation before translating? :> [16:01:33] MatmaRex: Yes. [16:01:35] (not to mention that i know of no place to put such documentation) [16:01:41] James_F: fun fact, they don't! :D [16:01:50] MatmaRex: It's the qqq message. Do you not do translation? [16:02:06] MatmaRex: Evidence for that claim? Translatewiki.net proclaims otherwise. [16:02:15] James_F: do you want to write a multi-paragraph translation guide in the qqq? [16:02:24] MatmaRex: Go for it. [16:02:43] sounds like a bad idea to me [16:03:03] we should strive to use terms that are not untranslateable instead of writing pages of docs for them [16:03:04] anyway [16:03:14] MatmaRex: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&language=qqq&group=ext-betafeatures&action=proofread&filter=translated%7C%21reviewer%3Anull%7C%21last-translator%3Anull [16:03:15] i recognize there's probably not much that can be done [16:03:43] So… why make all the heat and so little light if you think it's pointless anyway? [16:04:12] what heat? D: / for principles? [16:04:15] James_F: um, what about that link? [16:04:28] ah, you're suggesting i edit it, i guess [16:04:29] MatmaRex: That's where you can add notes about how it's meant to be translated. [16:04:46] 03(mod) Using SD to browse subobjects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31271 +comment (10MWJames) [16:05:15] James_F: somebody responsible for the project should do it, i don't even know if "Beta Features" is supposed to be a normal expression or a proper name [16:05:36] and i don't want to come up with the answer to such questions if i didn't work on the project itself [16:05:46] MatmaRex: So… ask on the wiki's talk page? :-) [16:06:03] like anybody reads those. [16:06:08] i wrote a bug instead [16:06:09] MatmaRex: Navigating this complexity is hard for newbies, but you're not one of them. :-) [16:06:11] these tend to get read [16:06:19] * James_F sighs. [16:06:23] WP:POINT, much? [16:06:41] James_F: your team is the lovely exception to the rule that nobody reads the talk pages [16:06:42] 03(mod) Wikidata is the number five in number of active editors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56539 +comment (10dvanliere) [16:07:14] MatmaRex: I read the Beta Features talk page, let alone other people. [16:07:15] James_F: the only way to extract a reply from a WMF person is their e-mail address [16:07:20] MatmaRex: Thank you for the compliment. :-) [16:07:23] or at least that was my experience [16:07:53] MatmaRex: Ha. I probably manage to get to look good by /not/ doing my e-mail as much as I should, and mostly doing Bugzilla and wiki page farming. [16:09:16] bugs go directly to e-mail address and hopefully not everyone filters them away [16:09:33] MatmaRex: No-one I know at WMF looks at their Bugzilla e-mail. [16:09:45] MatmaRex: It's just noise. Hundreds of e-mails a week. [16:09:48] well, good think i followed that mail up with a direct mail then [16:09:52] that bug with a mail* [16:10:20] James_F: hmm. maybe everyone should start reading them, eh [16:10:30] i'd have to close less duplicates [16:10:47] MatmaRex: There's a backlog of hundreds of bugs that haven't even been looked at yet. And now you added yet another bug that you knew was pointless when you created it. [16:10:48] people even file duplicates of bugs they reported themselves a few months earlier [16:11:11] James_F: unlike WMF people, i care about my bugs and tend to review them from time to time [16:11:25] James_F: if nothing happens / nothing can be done, i'll wontfix it myself [16:11:50] yeah, the problem with leaving talk pages messages is that it's hard to keep track of what was addressed and not [16:12:01] I use talk page for stuff I don't care about/I can't do anything about [16:12:01] and well, i still have a glimmer of hope that something can and will be done [16:12:35] you know, our community really sucks at naming things. [16:12:53] MatmaRex: I care about my bugs, but that doesn't mean I react to them within microseconds. :-) [16:13:03] Nemo_bis: This is what LQT gives you, of course. [16:13:14] James_F: this what? [16:13:35] Nemo_bis: "yeah, the problem with leaving talk pages messages is that it's hard to keep track of what was addressed and not" [16:13:41] Nemo_bis: Threading. Closing. Summaries. [16:14:28] Are you saying that LQT makes tracking the status of discussions harder? I agree. [16:14:51] But that's not what I was talking about, I'm talking of a user perspective not project perspective. [16:15:17] On bugzilla it's very easy to find the bugs I reported which were not changed/commented in X months and check them again. [16:17:11] Nemo_bis: You said that you have difficulties using talk pages. I pointed out that LQT solves this issue (and that LQT is generally used on the talk pages we're talking about). [16:17:34] James_F: I never said I have difficulties using talk pages. I can use them very well. [16:17:59] And I disagree that LQT solves the issue, see above. Normal talk pages are much easier to manage, much more efficient. [16:18:12] Luckily most of the talk pages on mediawiki.org use the normal system. [16:18:16] Nemo_bis: "I use talk page for stuff I don't care about/I can't do anything about". That's a defeated attitude, from someone with difficulties. [16:18:38] Defeated attitude? [16:21:36] "God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the Courage to change the things I can, and the Wisdom to know the difference." [16:21:59] Let's try again: wikis live in a state of http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WikiNow ; bugs exist to be closed. [16:25:50] 03(mod) grrrit-wm silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 04CRIT->major; summary; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:32:21] !htmllogs [16:32:21] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wm-bot/logs/index.php?display=%23mediawiki [16:33:08] !htmllogs del [16:33:09] Successfully removed htmllogs [16:33:11] !htmllogs is http://tools.wmflabs.org/wm-bot/logs/ [16:33:12] Key was added [16:33:20] (this is shown on other channels as well) [16:34:06] MatmaRex: I was wondering recently if this is relevant for you https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bug_Ness_law [16:35:44] 03(mod) grrrit-wm silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56528 +comment (10Nemo) [16:36:33] 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670 +comment (10Ruslan) [16:39:14] Nemo_bis: hm. [16:39:49] 03(NEW) Api returns the wrong timestamp for the date of latest edit of user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56540 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [16:42:03] Nemo_bis: heh, i think you should link that on #-tech right now. [16:42:28] Nemo_bis: personally i rarely work with "crashing" bugs, but mostly the ones that you can take a screenshot of [16:44:30] MatmaRex: you can do so if you wish, enough spam for me today ;) [16:45:38] 03(mod) Api returns the wrong timestamp for the date of latest edit of user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56540 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:45:51] 03(mod) Api returns the wrong timestamp for the date of latest edit of user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56540 +comment (10matma.rex) [16:50:37] hi, what would cause " Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in wiki/includes/ProxyTools.php on line 97" on 1.19? [16:50:42] 03(NEW) Provide anchors (ids) for easy linking to a specific line of a diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56541 enhancement; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; () [16:51:32] umarzuki: having exec() disabled on your server, naturally [16:52:03] is that a security issue related? [16:53:55] 03(mod) Api returns the wrong timestamp for the date of latest edit of user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56540 +comment (10mybugs.mail) [16:54:17] umarzuki: in case you misunderstood: already "having exec() disabled" is the *cause*. to resolve the issue you need to enable that [16:59:36] thanks, i'll ask support to enable it [17:02:06] Hey MatmaRex -- Your pull request has been merged on GitHub. Now you just need to find someone to complile and upload to Bastion... ;) [17:02:33] T13: quick. :D [17:03:30] MatmaRex: Like a bunny... [17:03:59] wat? [17:39:00] Having problems getting MediaWiki 1.21.2 installed on CentOS 6.4. Using nginx, php-fpm, and memcached -- keep getting this error: "PHP message: PHP Fatal error: session_start(): Failed to initialize storage module: memcache (path: /var/run/memcached/memcached.sock) in /var/www/html/BlindSeeker/public_html/wiki/includes/templates/NoLocalSettings.php on line 50" [17:39:10] 03(mod) HotCat not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56052 +comment (10Rob Kam) [17:41:58] My web-foo isn't strong, but pretty sure that means that its failing to realize that I want to use memcached as my session handler. the unix socket is there and other webapps I've installed have no problme using it, so I'm at a loss here. [17:42:24] are you sure other webapps are using it correctly? [17:42:27] are they PHP-based? [17:42:31] it knows you want to use memcached [17:42:38] it's having trouble doing that though [17:42:53] absolutely certain. vanilla and wordpress are definitely php and both are using memcache [17:43:20] there are other people experiencing this error if you do a google search [17:43:37] actually using it or failing over silently? can you see keys in the cache? [17:44:07] I'm sorry can you tell me what terms to search for on google? I tried googling for snippets of the log line I posted and got no good hits. [17:44:54] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Failed+to+initialize+storage+module%3A+memcache [17:50:21] 03(mod) drop obtrusive style rule for the element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55591 +comment (10gerritadmin) [17:51:02] okay, so the google link you sent me identifies that it's a common error and most the time its because whatever webapp the user wants to use is overriding the php-fpm config that explicitly states to use memcached as the session handler and trying to use files or another method for session management. I don't see any solutions or places to check that are specific to mediawiki. [17:57:21] DA_667, the PHP bug result claims that safe_mode breaks this. have you read that result? [18:00:50] 03(mod) Provide reviewer counts per Gerrit changeset in batch form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52329 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:04:43] I haven't, but I've checked php.ini and safe mode is set to off [18:16:15] 03(mod) Provide reviewer counts per Gerrit changeset in batch form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52329 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [18:21:16] So, just want to make sure I'm not crazy: To get the direct URL of any file (not just an image) I would use the something like action=query&prop=image&iiprop=url&titles=File:whatever.pdf ? [18:21:47] er, imageinfo** [18:22:54] 03(mod) drop obtrusive style rule for the element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55591 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [18:32:21] 03(mod) Cite: Module "ext.cite" should not be loaded on pages without (e.g. Special pages) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55684 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:33:18] 03(mod) Api returns the wrong timestamp for the date of latest edit of user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56540 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [18:37:15] 03(NEW) Database::upsert does not handle sequences for the insert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56542 normal; MediaWiki: Database; () [18:40:01] 03(mod) Wikidata diff page doesn't show added reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56534 +comment (10db) [18:40:03] 03(mod) Some changes are missing when viewing a diff with more than one change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47068 +comment (10db) [18:43:22] 03(mod) Some changes are missing when viewing a diff with more than one change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47068 +comment (10db) [18:44:06] 03(mod) SetClaim diff does not show references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53142 +comment (10db) [18:44:46] 03(mod) Some changes are missing when viewing a diff with more than one change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47068 +comment (10db) [18:57:55] 03(mod) Provide default time zone selection in installer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19991 +comment (10gerritadmin) [19:05:08] 03(NEW) Mobile frontend gives wrong resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56543 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [19:05:57] 03(mod) Create "Main Page" for Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56258 +comment (10db) [19:07:20] 03(mod) Mobile frontend gives wrong resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56543 +comment (10bingle-admin) [19:08:43] 03(mod) Spacing with "\:" leads to lexical error message with PNG-rendering, while MathJax renders ok. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56513 +comment (10emailseelsorge) [19:29:09] 03(mod) allow time values more precise than day - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55755 +comment (10db) [19:34:16] 03(mod) Cite: Module "ext.cite" should not be loaded on pages without (e.g. Special pages) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55684 (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) [19:38:04] 03(mod) keyboard of ULS doesn't support ZWNJ correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54117 (10ebraminio) [19:41:46] 03(mod) Beta: Special:Uploads JavaScript exception - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56424 +comment (10Jon) [19:43:51] 03(mod) Syndicated feeds of Watchlists include non-existent edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51427 +comment (10db) [19:49:10] 03(mod) URL parameter uselang=qqx do not work for message "wikibase-error-sitelink-already-used" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51059 +comment (10db) [19:59:53] 03(mod) ConfirmEmail displays "requires that you validate" even if it's already valid. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56443 +comment (10gerritadmin) [19:59:56] 03(mod) ConfirmEmail displays "requires that you validate" even if it's already valid. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56443 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [20:01:00] 03(mod) Provide information about changes to Wikidata items liked with watched pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47720 +comment (10db) [20:02:08] 03(mod) Mobile frontend gives wrong resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56543 +comment (10brion) [20:03:39] 03(mod) "Category:…" search shows the query as a category in which the page is - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47053 +comment (10db) [20:14:00] 03(mod) Get Wikimania 2008 videos back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42317 +comment (10federicoleva) [20:17:27] 03(mod) Add necessary functions to $wgRedactedFunctionArguments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54413 (10T. Gries) [20:19:23] 03(mod) remove deprecated, deleted functions like DataBase::safeQuery and User::getSkin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54509 summary (10T. Gries) [20:28:31] 03(mod) MeetBot for #wikimedia-office - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46377 +comment (10qgil) [20:29:02] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 +comment (10MZMcBride) [20:52:16] 03(mod) Special:Students doesn't list accurate "first enrollment" and "last active" dates, includes non-enrolled students - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44110 (10Andrew Green) [20:54:02] 03(mod) Institution with current course listed as "Inactive" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40433 (10Andrew Green) [21:03:52] 03(mod) pywikibot transliteration should support more scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56524 +comment (10ebraminio) [21:28:31] Has anyone used MwImporter to import html. [21:40:13] 03(mod) Date cannot be set to German month "M�rz" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53843 +comment (10michaelfreiberg) [21:41:13] 03(mod) Date cannot be set to German month "M�rz" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53843 +comment (10michaelfreiberg) [21:45:59] 03(mod) Mobile frontend gives wrong resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56543 +comment (10Jon) [22:05:14] 03(mod) Evaluate which resource loader modules really need position => top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47075 +performance (10Ori Livneh) [22:07:01] 03(mod) Add necessary functions to $wgRedactedFunctionArguments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54413 +comment (10Ori Livneh) [22:07:25] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [22:07:26] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [22:14:07] So, I wrote this thing [22:14:21] It's a go wrapper for the mediawiki API [22:14:22] https://github.com/sadbox/go-mediawiki [22:19:40] that looks pretty cool, you should add it to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code [22:22:37] Will do [22:46:00] 03(mod) The very name "BetaFeatures" is really really bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56537 +comment (10matma.rex) [22:48:08] 03(NEW) Lazy loading main page puts the last modified bar at the top of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56544 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); () [22:48:20] 03(mod) Lazy loading main page puts the last modified bar at the top of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56544 +comment (10bingle-admin) [22:50:40] 03(mod) Wikis show more and more pages in an old cached version instead of the current one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54647 +comment (10orangevolker) [22:58:15] is Jeroen in ? [22:58:34] JeroenDeDauw: I have a Maps question [23:01:40] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:02:02] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:03:35] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:06:05] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:09:27] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:10:50] 03(mod) Contact us URL behavior needs tweak on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52505 +comment (10b) [23:11:12] 03(mod) [Regression] Missing "media => screen" breaks Vector styles for printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56366 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [23:14:36] 03(mod) Contact us URL behavior needs tweak on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52505 +comment (10matma.rex) [23:18:15] MatmaRex: What about Extension:Instability? :-) [23:18:23] I'm a late adopter. [23:19:21] heh [23:19:55] ori-l: thanks [23:20:10] Elsie: i'm off for now, see you tomorrow [23:20:11] for closing the "redacted-function" [23:21:46] Closing the what? [23:21:50] Oh. [23:21:59] Never mind. [23:24:13] Elsie: it was about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54413#c2 [23:25:04] Ah, thanks. [23:25:29] Wikinaut: the argument redaction feature was not totally abandoned, just simplified [23:25:53] so there's no blacklist of arguments to redact, but instead all argument values are indiscriminantly dropped from user-facing stack traces [23:26:42] the resultant stack trace is usually still adequate for debugging, and it's actually safe to display [23:27:07] hrm, we should re-enable showing stack traces to users on wmf wikis [23:27:30] I mean, I think that's the plan, but I don't think there's a bug to coordinate it or anything [23:27:36] HINT HINT [23:28:30] ori-l: You should file one. [23:28:40] 03(mod) Add necessary functions to $wgRedactedFunctionArguments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54413 +comment (10b) [23:28:45] ori-l: https://bugs.wikimedia.org [23:29:59] the interface is confusing [23:30:11] where do i indicate that i did not find what i was looking for? [23:30:23] why is it only available in vector? [23:30:32] i'm afraid i must rely on the kindness of strangers [23:31:20] Grah, typo. [23:31:21] 03(mod) Show category links above the edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2679 +comment (10b) [23:31:57] ori-l: Try restarting. [23:32:05] * YuviPanda is writing JS in a jQuery free environment. Nicer than I expected [23:49:40] 03(mod) Wikis show more and more pages in an old cached version instead of the current one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54647 +comment (10Volker Alexander)