[00:17:52] 03(NEW) "Create another account" button is poorly labeled in new account signup page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56854 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; () [00:37:10] 03(mod) "Create another account" button is poorly labeled in new account signup page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56854 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:37:13] 03(mod) [[Special:UserLogin]] missing link to signup form when user is logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53306 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:38:03] 03(mod) "Create another account" button is poorly labeled in new account signup page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56854 +comment (10matma.rex) [01:02:25] 03(mod) "Create another account" button is poorly labeled in new account signup page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56854 +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia) [01:41:23] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 (10Roan Kattouw) [01:42:08] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 +comment (10gerritadmin) [01:43:29] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 (10Roan Kattouw) [02:04:43] 03(NEW) Two SimpleAntiSpam? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56855 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [02:06:44] 03(mod) Undeploy SimpleAntiSpam (merged into core) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56855 +shell; summary; +comment (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) [02:17:36] 03(mod) UserProfile displays page that user was thanked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56818 +comment (10Steven Walling) [02:17:49] 03(mod) UserProfile displays page that user was thanked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56818 (10Steven Walling) [02:54:06] Hi gicode [02:56:32] gicode: Hi [03:13:57] 03(mod) UserProfile displays page that user was thanked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56818 +comment (10jrobson) [03:31:58] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Instead of adding indentation to the new line, pressing "Tab" from the keyboard adds indentation to other numbered/bulleted list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56810 (10ryasmeen) [04:00:59] 03(mod) UserProfile displays page that user was thanked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56818 +comment (10swalling) [04:31:51] I disabled account creation and yet bots still create accounts :-( [04:31:59] I used this: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; [04:39:08] 03(mod) trouble with show/hide button on templates of Korean wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56824 +comment (10eraser1594) [04:53:31] 03(mod) Previous pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 summary; +comment (10Jared Zimmerman (WMF)) [05:04:52] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs extension on ce.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56408 +comment (10umar.dagirov) [05:06:05] 03(mod) trouble with show/hide button on templates of Korean wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56824 +comment (10Alex Z.) [05:54:01] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs extension on ce.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56408 +comment (10umar.dagirov) [06:15:25] 03(mod) [[w:]] on betawikiversity points to https://beta.wikipedia.org which doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55733 +comment (10gerritadmin) [06:15:28] 03(mod) [[w:]] on betawikiversity points to https://beta.wikipedia.org which doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55733 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [06:15:29] 03(mod) "w" interwiki on 'br.wikimedia' is linking to 'br.wikipedia' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56207 +comment (10gerritadmin) [06:15:31] 03(mod) "w" interwiki on 'br.wikimedia' is linking to 'br.wikipedia' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56207 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [06:15:33] 03(mod) Make interwiki links in br.wikimedia.org point to Portuguese projects iunstead of Breton - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53011 +comment (10gerritadmin) [06:15:35] 03(mod) Make interwiki links in br.wikimedia.org point to Portuguese projects iunstead of Breton - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53011 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [07:08:08] 03(mod) Previous pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10Nemo) [07:08:18] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 summary (10Nemo) [07:22:12] 03(mod) Add map widget for coordinate selection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56612 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:22:13] 03(mod) Add map widget for coordinate selection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56612 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [07:22:17] 03(mod) Add requested image list to UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56614 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:22:19] 03(mod) Add requested image list to UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56614 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [07:30:54] 03(mod) Expose contentmodel in action=info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56033 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:34:25] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10jared.zimmerman) [07:35:09] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 -design (10Jared Zimmerman (WMF)) [07:37:05] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:37:08] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [07:37:29] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch to wikitext feature does not return in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56767 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:43:00] 03(mod) Expose contentmodel in action=info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56033 (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) [07:44:17] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aravikn) [07:46:04] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:46:16] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia) [07:51:28] hello [07:51:30] is this the right place for a question about dev account setup issues, particularly vagrant issues? [08:01:41] while installing mediawiki I reached this stage http://localhost/mediawiki/mw-config/index.php?page=DBConnect [08:02:18] now I have to put a database password [08:02:35] how can I get that [08:04:58] please help me with this [08:14:38] YuviPanda|away please help me [08:17:28] legoktm please help me [08:17:36] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10gerritadmin) [08:17:39] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [08:18:44] marktraceur please help me [08:25:51] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10jared.zimmerman) [08:40:52] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10Nemo) [08:58:28] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aravikn) [09:04:22] 03(mod) mw.util.addPortletLink causes TypeError if the provided jQuery object is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56770 (10Umherirrender) [09:05:18] 03(mod) mw.util.addPortletLink causes TypeError if the provided jQuery object is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56770 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:05:22] 03(mod) mw.util.addPortletLink causes TypeError if the provided jQuery object is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56770 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [09:08:15] 03(mod) Add pump.io (identi.ca) support to morebots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50109 +comment (10Nemo) [09:24:41] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip: " in title is escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55847 (10Umherirrender) [09:25:29] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip shouldn't start with a dash on the main pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55865 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:25:34] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip shouldn't start with a dash on the main pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55865 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [09:27:04] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip: " in title is escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55847 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:27:06] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip: " in title is escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55847 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [09:27:46] 03(mod) Interwiki tooltip shouldn't start with a dash on the main pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55865 +comment (10Umherirrender) [09:30:55] 03(mod) Date and time format in archivebot.py - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55144 +comment (10Bojan Kalkan) [09:31:14] 03(mod) Off-by-one error and "empty translation unit" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56838 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:36:32] 03(mod) mw.util.addPortletLink causes TypeError if the provided jQuery object is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56770 +comment (10matma.rex) [09:37:34] 03(mod) Section editing: Off-by-one error and "empty translation unit" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56838 normal->15enhancement; summary (10Nemo) [09:41:46] 03(mod) 2 strings on Special:Upload are not translateable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56813 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [09:46:38] 03(mod) Anonymous icon on watchlist is weird looking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56815 (10mgalloway) [09:49:42] 03(mod) Anonymous icon on watchlist is weird looking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56815 normal->15enhancement (10Jared Zimmerman (WMF)) [09:57:07] 03(mod) Malformed hlist rendering due to missing linebreaks between list items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39617 +comment (10erwin) [10:02:33] 03(mod) Section editing: Off-by-one error and "empty translation unit" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56838 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [10:11:38] 03(NEW) ResourceLoaderULSModule::getModifiedTime updates continuously - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56856 major; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [10:11:43] 03(mod) Make ULS more lightweight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56292 (10Ori Livneh) [10:27:08] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs extension on ce.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56408 +comment (10aklapper) [10:29:08] 03(NEW) Support site level notification type and manual notification creation (with operation logging) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56857 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [10:30:50] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aklapper) [10:31:02] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs extension on ce.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56408 +comment (10umar.dagirov) [10:34:40] 03(mod) Fatal errors in incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56800 (10Andre Klapper) [10:35:50] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Instead of adding indentation to the new line, pressing "Tab" from the keyboard adds indentation to other numbered/bulleted list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56810 +comment (10esanders) [10:36:31] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aklapper) [11:21:30] I installed mediawiki but localhost/mediawiki gets You don't have permission to access /mediawiki on this server. [11:21:59] What's likely to cause that? [11:32:23] permission problems [11:32:34] 03(mod) Edit conflict detection has regressed and suffers a race condition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56849 normal->major (10Andre Klapper) [11:33:04] yeah but where? [11:33:21] installation instructions give no special instructions. [11:33:53] however, I have var/lib/mediawiki on a separate partition. [11:35:19] check directory permissions. The user running the http service should have read (and execute) access to it [11:36:09] also, check whether the http service is configured to access that folder ( permissions in apache, for example, etc) [11:39:26] apache is running as root, so I would think it had access to everything. [11:39:42] myphpadmin is up and working. [11:39:43] apache running as root? WTF [11:39:49] dumb user. [11:41:15] pac1: httpd.conf should have a section set with access to /var/lib/mediawiki, otherwise apache will refuse to serve it even if it has filesystem permissions [11:45:08] I can't seem to find an httpd.conf [11:49:31] bigger problem is maybe apache set up incorrectly. [11:50:04] if I sudo apache2ctl it starts, but should I be doing something else? [11:51:55] have you looked at /etc/apache2/ ? [11:53:19] you should read the apache documentation anyway and configure it *properly* [11:53:20] there's apache2.conf, but no httpd.conf [11:53:46] MediaWiki can't cover all http installations [11:54:39] MediaWiki installation instructions, of course [12:05:47] I start apache sudo apache2ctl. This leaves me with processes /usr/sbin/apache2 -k restart running as root, with five more running as www-data [12:06:07] Is that not reasonable? [12:07:05] that seems right. You said apache was running as root, not me ._. [12:08:40] actually its httpd that is running as root. [12:09:07] [13:05:47] I start apache sudo apache2ctl. This leaves me with processes /usr/sbin/apache2 -k restart running as root, with five more running as www-data [12:09:14] > www-data [12:10:05] ubuntu [12:11:06] !lmgtfy apache allow access to directory [12:11:06] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apache+allow+access+to+directory [12:19:00] in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/mediawiki.conf, I uncommented Alias /mediawiki /var/lib/mediawiki [12:20:38] but the line above it states: This does not work properly with virtual hosts. [12:22:50] 03(mod) trouble with show/hide button on templates of Korean wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56824 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:24:18] pac1: I don't see why the need to use Alias.. This is a sample vhost for MediaWiki: https://dpaste.de/Rpsr [12:24:54] just put in DocumentRoot and Directory the directory where MediaWiki is installed [12:50:32] 03(mod) "Other languages" box in Translate extension should use an HTML list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55389 (10andnlnbn18) [12:53:37] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aravikn) [12:54:10] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10aravikn) [13:16:52] How to combat spam? I have an unmanageable number of spam posts today :-( ! [13:17:15] ... How they do it in Wikipedia? [13:17:44] 03(mod) Standard pre-echo "you have new messages" bar is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56834 +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [13:18:33] ... It is despite I have set a captcha [13:19:38] ... What to do?! [13:20:10] 03(NEW) Updater: cl_sortkey didn't cover cl_type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56858 normal; MediaWiki: Database; () [13:23:35] 03(mod) "Other languages" box in Translate extension should use an HTML list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55389 +comment (10Nemo) [13:24:23] 03(NEW) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [13:25:01] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 (10snaevar) [13:25:03] 03(mod) Deploy language-specific "uca-xx" collations on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45443 (10snaevar) [13:25:55] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 +shell (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [13:47:54] Nemo_bis: I was just checking if you were still here. :) [13:48:18] So, should I upload the edited patch separately? thems [13:48:31] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [13:49:13] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 +comment (10gerritadmin) [13:49:15] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [13:50:05] 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-is' on Icelandic Wikipedia and rebuild category sort keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56859 (10Tomasz W. Kozlowski) [13:50:47] replied on gerrit [13:55:10] Nemo_bis: For the commit message, should I give reference to the other bug? [13:58:56] 03(mod) rename $wmfRealm to $wmgRealm in mediawiki-config.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43956 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:00:39] arav93: yes, or your patch [14:01:10] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94609/ [14:01:15] This is what I did. [14:07:21] Nemo_bis: yeah, i kinda figured posting it to mediawiki-l might get that response -- I guess there isn't a list for general discussion among system administrators? I can kinda see the logic behind going to wikitech-l, since there are tech issues involved and it's a change to the codebase, but maybe it's good to reach out to the sysadmins rather than rely on their monitoring wikitech-l? [14:08:06] hey, anyone fancy doing a bit of code review? ;) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94600/ [14:13:31] leucosticte: I think MaxSem might just have misinterpreted the purpose of the bug; your long email touched many topics [14:15:00] Nemo_bis: Is this fine? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94609/ ? Or does this look like a 2nd patch for the same bug? [14:16:15] arav93: there can be an unlimited number of patches for a bug :) [14:16:49] That's a new information for me. And by the smiley, I'm assuming what I did is fine. :) [14:17:47] arav93: I don't know what the current record-holder is for patches for a bug, but I've seen at least a few dozen [14:18:22] arav93: or maybe i should say, patches for a change [14:20:14] leucosticte: Oh. :) [14:22:45] UltrasonicNXT, reviewed - needs tests [14:31:15] 03(mod) In CodeEditor, double-clicking a word doesn't highlight it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45876 +comment (10ebraminio) [14:41:04] 03(mod) "Recent translations" (!recent) group should be the first in Special:Translate selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39278 (10Nemo) [14:42:52] 03(mod) Remove "Remember my login"-option from the preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52342 +comment (10gerritadmin) [14:42:54] 03(mod) Remove "Remember my login"-option from the preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52342 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [14:46:13] 03(mod) User preferences in MediaWiki to be removed (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52807 (10Nemo) [14:46:13] 03(mod) Remove "Remember my login"-option from the preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52342 (10Nemo) [14:51:19] Hi is there an more accurate timetable but this one: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor#Timeline [14:53:14] 03(NEW) Improve documentation of API's "dir" parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56860 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [14:53:19] 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1 (10Helder) [15:01:29] 03(mod) Anonymous icon on watchlist is weird looking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56815 +comment (10Vibha Bamba) [15:11:47] 03(mod) on an existing course page "Create source" is used instead of "Edit source" in the tab at the top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56844 +comment (10Sage Ross) [15:11:47] 03(mod) Edit tab replaced with "Create source" for Education Program pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53477 +comment (10Sage Ross) [15:13:33] 03(NEW) Visual Design Fixes to 'Last edited' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56861 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [15:14:23] 03(mod) Visual Design Fixes to 'Last edited' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56861 +comment (10bingle-admin) [15:17:20] Anyone have a good link or two on how to use curl to upload a web page from commandline. [15:21:00] 03(NEW) Last Edited - Visual Treatment based on time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56862 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; () [15:22:36] 03(mod) Last Edited has a green background based on a freshness algorithm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56862 summary (10Vibha Bamba) [15:23:16] 03(mod) List of users who edited the page in enhanced RC/watchlist is clutter and superfluous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51895 +comment (10gerritadmin) [15:24:04] 03(mod) List of users who edited the page in enhanced RC/watchlist is clutter and superfluous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51895 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [15:24:23] 03(mod) Last Edited has a green background based on a freshness algorithm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56862 +comment (10bingle-admin) [15:25:08] 03(mod) Last Edited has a green background based on a freshness algorithm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56862 +comment (10vbamba) [15:32:43] 03(NEW) FlaggedRevs: add ability to specify pages with the {{PENDINGCHANGELEVEL}} magic word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56863 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; () [15:51:10] 03(mod) mw.util.addPortletLink causes TypeError if the provided jQuery object is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56770 (10Krinkle) [15:53:53] Hi guys. I just wanted to know what it the current convention when using titles. Do I need to have a blank line after titles in the mediawiki source code, even if that hasn't any influence of the rendered page? [15:53:53] e.g. [15:53:54] === My subtitle === [15:53:54] [15:53:54] Paragraph... [15:54:42] wget - I don't think you need a blank line after a header or title [15:54:59] it will automatically new line and also include that header in the TOC [15:56:53] wget: It improves code readability, but doesn't affect rendering [15:57:35] Vulpix: Ok. Thanks for your opinion. This is what I thought too about code readability. [15:58:00] the same apply to ==Title== or == Title == [15:59:11] 03(NEW) FlaggedRevs: {{PENDINGCHANGELEVEL}} magic word is undocumented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56864 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; () [15:59:20] Indeed, I prefer the == Title == syntax personally. I'll try to put these recommendations in the ArchLinux Wiki style convention. [16:04:57] 03(mod) Fatal errors in incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56800 (10Chad H.) [16:29:52] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 enhancement; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [16:29:54] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit #REDIRECT status in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47328 (10James Forrester) [16:29:57] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Tracking bugs for VisualEditor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54363 (10James Forrester) [16:30:26] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 (10James Forrester) [16:32:46] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit __NOTOC__ status in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56866 enhancement; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [16:32:47] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 (10James Forrester) [16:33:34] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit __FORCETOC__ status in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56867 enhancement; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [16:33:36] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 (10James Forrester) [16:33:54] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit __NOTOC__ status in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56866 (10James Forrester) [16:37:22] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit {{DISPLAYTITLE:xxx}} in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56868 enhancement; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [16:37:23] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 (10James Forrester) [16:42:26] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit __FORCETOC__ status in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56867 (10James Forrester) [16:42:35] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit behaviour flags in the page metadata panel (tracker) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56865 (10James Forrester) [16:42:38] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit other behavioural flags in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56869 enhancement; VisualEditor: MediaWiki integration; () [16:42:48] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit other behavioural flags in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56869 (10James Forrester) [16:43:17] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit {{DISPLAYTITLE:xxx}} in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56868 (10James Forrester) [16:48:01] 03(NEW) Add DOM support for {{DISPLAYTITLE:xxx}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56870 normal; Parsoid: DOM; () [16:48:02] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Allow users to set/edit {{DISPLAYTITLE:xxx}} in the page metadata panel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56868 (10James Forrester) [16:54:52] 03(NEW) Automatically use boilerplate if page title matches boilerplate description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56871 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MultiBoilerplate; () [17:00:17] 03(mod) Automatically use boilerplate if page title matches boilerplate description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56871 +comment (10yuanxy) [17:55:10] 03(mod) Anonymous editing broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56831 (10Jon) [17:55:39] 03(mod) Anonymous editing broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56831 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:14:18] 03(mod) Edit conflict detection has regressed and suffers a race condition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56849 +comment (10spam) [18:15:45] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 (10pyfisch) [18:22:06] 03(NEW) Special:Browse is broken when there is a slash in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56872 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; () [18:24:26] 03(NEW) Category.isCategoryRedirect() does not work on wikis without category redirect template defined in family file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56873 blocker; Pywikibot: General; () [18:25:11] 03(mod) Category.isCategoryRedirect() does not work on wikis without category redirect template defined in family file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56873 (10pyfisch) [18:25:12] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 (10pyfisch) [18:28:06] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 +comment (10crangasi2001) [18:35:36] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 +comment (10aklapper) [18:36:54] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs: {{PENDINGCHANGELEVEL}} magic word is undocumented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56864 (10Andre Klapper) [18:36:59] 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1 (10Andre Klapper) [18:37:01] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs: add ability to specify pages with the {{PENDINGCHANGELEVEL}} magic word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56863 (10Andre Klapper) [18:37:52] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs: add ability to specify pages with the {{PENDINGCHANGELEVEL}} magic word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56863 +easy (10MZMcBride) [18:38:04] 03(mod) Improve documentation of API's "dir" parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56860 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [18:38:48] 03(mod) In CodeEditor, double-clicking a word doesn't highlight it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45876 (10Andre Klapper) [18:39:33] 03(mod) Last Edited has a green background based on a freshness algorithm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56862 normal->15enhancement (10Jon) [18:40:16] 03(mod) Updater: cl_sortkey didn't cover cl_type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56858 (10Andre Klapper) [18:40:25] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 +comment (10crangasi2001) [18:43:29] Hi. A question on "timeoffset" field returned by "api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo" [18:44:05] does it change with daylight saving? [18:44:20] 03(mod) "Create another account" button is poorly labeled in new account signup page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56854 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [18:44:42] E.g. 60 in winter and 120 in summer ... [18:46:07] 03(mod) Wikipedia Android app not showing file pages correctly (no picture/license info displayed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56852 summary (10Andre Klapper) [18:46:35] 03(mod) Make it easier to get incremental revision data via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56848 (10Andre Klapper) [18:48:32] Hmm, that's an interesting question [18:48:52] there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLocalTZoffset [18:49:17] I imagine if it was set to a timezone that had daylight savings it would [18:49:22] 03(mod) Special:Browse is broken when there is a slash in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56872 +comment (10jaideraf) [18:50:01] 03(mod) 3rd party wiki's with $wgMFAnonymousEditing enabled are not allowed to edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56833 +comment (10jrobson) [18:52:18] bawolff, thanks, that' what I expect too [18:52:50] Mpaa: I should say, that that is a guess, I don't really know [18:53:07] I think we use the underlying operating system's timezone support, so it would probably do whatever that does [18:55:02] bawolff, well, it states "To avoid problems with daylight saving time, you can have PHP calculate the offset for you" ... [18:55:14] I will have to remeber to check nect summer :-) [18:56:38] 03(mod) Subscripts displayed too low in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55555 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [18:58:18] 03(mod) Category.isCategoryRedirect() does not work on wikis without category redirect template defined in family file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56873 +comment (10crangasi2001) [18:59:38] Conceptually I'm looking for something like transclusion but I don't quite know what I'm looking for, hoping it already exists.. [19:00:32] Basically, I want "For each page in (Category:ToolPage), transclude the OperationalStatus section of that page into here". [19:00:52] hmm [19:00:53] !lst [19:01:05] !e LabeledSectionTransclusion [19:01:06] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LabeledSectionTransclusion [19:01:18] myself: ^ [19:01:20] 03(mod) Category.isCategoryRedirect() does not work on wikis without category redirect template defined in family file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56873 +comment (10Strainu) [19:01:49] I can use a Category page to _automatically_ find a list of all ToolPage pages, and I can use transclusion to grab a bit from each page I _manually_ name, but I can't find a way to transclude a section from every page in an _automatically_ generated list of pages. [19:01:58] !dpl [19:01:58] The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [19:02:04] and that, too. :) [19:02:05] oh. [19:02:10] That's it. Thanks. :) [19:02:46] !lst is The Labeled Section Transclusion extension allows selective transclusion of marked-off sections of text. Its functionality is similar to an enhanced version of the tag. [19:02:46] Key was added [19:02:57] myself: happy to help :) [19:06:00] MatmaRex: for a moment I thought you were talking to yourself [19:06:05] :D [19:06:30] 03(mod) Unclosed elements in cause wrong escaping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25792 +comment (10aklapper) [19:07:08] YuviPanda: Who's to say otherwise? [19:08:03] 03(mod) UserProfile dies if an IP address is provided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56822 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [19:08:26] myself: heh [19:10:29] 03(mod) External URLs inconsistent in "use this file" tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56787 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [19:12:49] 03(mod) Database error when deleting items too fast - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56776 (10Andre Klapper) [19:13:38] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Subscript and Superscript applied on same text, making it placed somewhere in the middle of the preceding text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56795 summary (10Andre Klapper) [19:19:01] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Subscript and Superscript applied on same text, making it placed somewhere in the middle of the preceding text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56795 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:19:03] 03(mod) VE allows to mark text as both superscripted and subscripted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53330 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:19:28] 03(mod) VE allows to mark text as both superscripted and subscripted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53330 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:20:54] 03(mod) VisualEditor: JS parse error appears while enabling few gadgets for editors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56806 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [19:21:29] 03(mod) Allow the usage of the URL parameter "testfilter" on [[Special:AbuseFilter/tools]] and [[Special:AbuseFilter/examine]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56784 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [19:22:02] 03(mod) Remove "Printable version" link in toolbox from [[Special:Upload]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56786 normal->minor (10Andre Klapper) [19:28:21] 03(mod) Migrate "DrTrigon's tools" (pywikibot/bots/drtrigonbot) bugs from JIRA (TS) to Bugzilla (set up product etc) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55673 +comment (10aklapper) [19:29:47] 03(mod) Remove gadget modules from local storage when the user disables them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56778 (10Andre Klapper) [19:29:51] 03(mod) localStorage nearly or totally filled with routine operation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56728 (10Andre Klapper) [19:33:46] 03(NEW) Cached non-media files are not invalidated on purge - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56874 blocker; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [19:36:15] 03(mod) Cached non-media files are not invalidated on purge - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56874 04BLOCKER->major (10Andre Klapper) [19:36:32] 03(mod) Add testwikidatawiki as an import source for wikidatawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56215 (10eikes) [19:42:06] 03(mod) Javascript (via action=raw&ctype=text/javascript) not purged on page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56874 major->04BLOCKER; summary; +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [19:42:25] 03(mod) Javascript (via action=raw&ctype=text/javascript) not purged on page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56874 04BLOCKER->major (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [19:50:02] 03(mod) Javascript (via action=raw&ctype=text/javascript) not purged on page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56874 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [19:55:43] 03(mod) Port commonscat.py to Pywikibot core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56774 (10pyfisch) [20:05:32] hey all, is this where I can ask questions about MediaWiki? [20:05:55] There's so much documentation I'm not sure where to start on some topics. [20:07:06] I'll ask anyway: what's the proper formatting for MW page names? Is there a rule? camelCase? NoSpaces? underscored_titles? Simple Spaces? [20:08:00] learningMW: Simple spaces [20:08:39] (What's the difference between camelCase and noSpaces anyway?) [20:09:43] leucosticte: is that a rule or a preference of yours? [20:10:06] learningMW: It's what I'm seen on every MediaWiki installation I've encountered. [20:10:18] learningMW: however, a wiki could adopt a different standard [20:10:33] 03(mod) Special:Browse is broken when there is a slash in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56872 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:10:34] 03(mod) Special:Browse is broken when there is a slash in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56872 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [20:10:53] leucosticte: doesn't that cause URLs to be really long? And involve those \% or whatever characters that mean "space"? [20:11:33] leucosticte: or do spaces become underscores automatically... [20:11:43] MW converts spaces to underscores [20:12:06] thanks MrZ-man [20:14:01] ok, another question then. Maybe this is more of a Wikipedia question. On en.wikipedia, is it OK to use my personal sub-pages for non-wikipedia documentation? For example, I'm learning to use this new IRC client that has really bad documentation on the web. I want to write up a nice guide, I prefer writing technical documenation in mediawiki, and I want to release what I write to the public domain. Are the [20:14:03] User:username/ pages an acceptable place for that? [20:15:11] learningMW: probably yes, as long as you're not trying to host entire websites there or something [20:15:31] learningMW: yeah, the spaces become underscores. i would avoid using wikipedia subpages for such purposes, lest they end up at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion -- if they even give you the courtesy of listing them there rather than summarily deleting your pages [20:16:18] learningMW: i'm not sure where would be a good place for that content. all the wikis I know of try to keep people on-topic -- i.e. they delete stuff that's off-topic [20:16:44] leucosticte: oh I didn't realize user sub pages could be deleted by others. [20:17:01] That's a bummer. [20:17:06] learningMW: the wikisphere needs a general-purpose wiki for miscellaneous content. yeah, sysops can delete that stuff. [20:17:33] leucosticte: oh just sysops, not just any user who decides to be a jerk? [20:18:09] learningMW: just sysops, but the other users can narc on you and get a sysop to delete it [20:18:22] learningMW: you may create a wiki for this project, there are some free (ad-driven) wiki farms out there [20:18:34] learningMW: the wikisphere needs a general-purpose wiki for miscellaneous content. yeah, if you don't mind all the downsides of Wikia [20:19:04] wiki farm > wikia [20:19:06] Vulpix: I don't really need a whole wiki, and I have a moral problem with ads on my intentionally public domain content. hmmm. [20:19:19] so much for wikia then [20:19:44] I think I'll just do it and keep backup copies of everything I write. If I ever get deleted then I'll start my own technical documentation wiki. [20:19:52] Seriously this will be like four or five pages tops, all text. [20:20:02] learningMW: of course, you can also host your won wiki in your own server :P [20:20:14] Vulpix: I'll do that if I'm forced to [20:20:15] *own [20:20:26] leucosticte: btw, who are the sysops? community or the foundation staff? [20:21:24] learningMW: even hosting it in your own computer (not visible for anyone else). And you could contact the author(s) of that IRC client for sending them copies of the docs you write [20:21:36] learningMW: community. by the way, you can post your content in your userspace at my wiki, http://meta.inclumedia.org/ , and I won't delete it. however, people might get confused about why you're hosting it there, since people are not used to wikis being used for off-topic purposes [20:23:47] thanks leucosticte, I'll consider that [20:27:18] what is the right way to determine the correct url for the action field of a form on a specialpage? [20:27:43] "'action' => $this->getTitle()->getLocalURL()" is not working with index.php?title=SpecialFoobar [20:30:12] if I do that I end up with index.php?parameter1=foo¶meter2=bar... what I want is index.php?title=SpecialFoobar¶meter1=foo¶meter2=bar [20:30:29] I am root but keep getting "page so and so .. could not be deleted." Why wont it delete. [20:31:18] factor: MediaWiki doesn't have a "root" concept. Do you mean "sysop"? [20:32:40] 03(mod) Echo: strripos() : Offset is greater than the length of haystack string in DiscussionParser.php on line 743 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56586 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:34:01] factor: what's the exact error? [20:35:04] lbenedix: Commonly people put the title as a hidden on the special page [20:35:23] good idea ;) [20:35:44] 03(mod) Echo: strripos() : Offset is greater than the length of haystack string in DiscussionParser.php on line 743 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56586 (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) [20:36:03] lbenedix: are you sure you don't want to use HTMLForm or, possibly, even FormSpecialPage? [20:36:15] Sorry username is root, and yes sysop [20:36:27] !htmlform [20:36:27] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/HTMLForm/tutorial [20:36:30] bawolff: that was the excat error [20:36:37] I cant get rid of the pages. [20:36:40] The exact error had "..." in it? [20:37:11] What's the text that mediawiki tells you when you hit delete? [20:38:05] Page File:External EndtoEnd html.png could not be deleted. [20:38:07] hi [20:38:22] can we translude from other wp languages? [20:38:37] no... [20:38:42] Bawolff:That is the message on the mass delte page. [20:38:54] (the no was to Juandev ) [20:39:18] adding the hidden field works perfectly well [20:39:30] thx a lot! [20:39:31] Juandev: There is a transwiki transclude feature, it sucks a lot so isn't turned on on wikimedia wikis. [20:39:54] factor: Ok. Do deletions of normal (non file pages) work fine? [20:40:10] There's a lot more that can go wrong with a file page deletion [20:40:12] ok [20:40:19] never mind, I will do it locally [20:40:22] bawolff: Let me check. [20:40:55] !scarytransclusion [20:40:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3A%24wgEnableScaryTranscluding [20:42:18] bawolff: i guess it worked, it just took a long time to delete all thepages. [20:42:25] they are no longer soing up [20:42:28] showing^ [20:42:47] Said they where not being deleted and I could still see them, but now I can not [20:42:56] Hmm, maybe its a bug in Special:Nuke (You were using special:nuke right?) [20:42:57] how can I switch from the "/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Foobar" to the "/wiki/SpecialFoobar" syntax? [20:43:36] lbenedix: In general (like how to set it up for your wiki), or are you asking how do you get the url in pretty form from php [20:44:12] ola [20:44:19] !shorturls [20:44:19] bawolff: Can I purge history of files as well. [20:44:19] To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at or try the new beta tool at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [20:44:19] or [20:44:23] or Title::getFullURL() [20:44:27] lbenedix: ^ [20:44:45] or getLocalURL(), rather. [20:44:46] factor: Depends what you mean by the word "purge" [20:44:58] if you mean delete, then yes [20:44:59] bawolff: remove from history [20:45:10] there should be a link on the file page if you're an admin [20:45:16] ok [20:45:20] factor: Purge in mediawiki speak also means clear cache [20:45:47] is there a good document on best practices for creating a new wiki? ie: page orgnization, etc [20:46:37] jerichodotm: not really. Best practise varies a lot depending on what you want to do with your wiki [20:46:42] bawolff: I get this error Error deleting file: Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-deleted/t/h/1". [20:46:56] It wont let me delte [20:47:19] factor: Check the permissions of your image directory, make it owned by your web server user, and make sure the webserver has all the needed permissions [20:47:35] bawolff, gotcha.thanks. i got the book workingw/ mediawiki and just started it [20:47:54] jerichodotm: Most of the time, how you organize your wiki comes down to personal preference [20:48:17] 03(mod) SpecialWatchlist should extend SpecialRecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48641 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:48:18] bawolff, understood. i guess its a simple as created a main page then creating the "sub" pages and linking them. [20:48:22] 03(mod) SpecialWatchlist should extend SpecialRecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48641 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [20:48:44] Im reading that the WYSIWYG editors all have issues as of the publishing of this book. Is that still the case? [20:48:48] bawolff: ok thanks I imported them as root [20:49:02] jerichodotm: Often people do that in the other order (Create a bunch of links, and then create the links as they go) [20:49:12] jerichodotm: Which book would that be [20:49:20] 03(mod) SpecialWatchlist should extend SpecialRecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48641 +comment (10matma.rex) [20:49:33] bawolff, "workingw/ mediawiki" [20:49:34] 2012 [20:49:47] jerichodotm: And yes, they are all shitty (Except for Visual Editor, which is in active development) [20:50:13] ty bawolff . ill go back to reading the book first [20:50:24] oh cool, yaron wrote a book on mediawiki (/me did not know that) [20:51:08] jerichodotm: Visual editor is a new WYSIWYG editor, that is actually not bad. Its still a little bit beta, but its in use on wikipedia [20:51:12] !visualeditor [20:51:12] VisualEditor is a project to create a simple editor for MediaWiki that would make it far simpler for people to contribute to Wikimedia projects. See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor and #mediawiki-visualeditor channel. [20:51:17] bawolff, ya. its pretty good for people like msyself who are new to actualing creating and maintaining a wiki [20:51:31] noted, bawolff . thx [20:51:58] I've heard tell its a bit more to set up than your average extension, but I haven't tried myself, so I don't know [20:53:04] im not evens ure how to install extensions yet. :) is it like wordpress where there is web GUI or will i need to do it in a shell session? [20:54:17] You'll need a shell session (In theory you can do it even with only ftp, but that's kind of tricky) [20:54:55] Basically you just upload the extension to the extension directory, and add a line to the bottom of LocalSettings.php to tell mediawiki to use it (For most anyways, there's a couple that are more complex) [20:55:38] im looking for LocalSettings.php. dont see it. where is it in relation to /mediawiki-1.21.2? [20:55:50] woops. that directory is actually empty [20:56:05] i see it. its one dir up.. [21:01:11] the author is a fan of semantic.. is it popular? [21:01:25] or more of his baby and thats why its in his book? [21:01:30] !tss [21:01:30] ZOMG!! http://goo.gl/e2631 (join #semantic-mediawiki) [21:01:38] thx [21:02:12] 03(mod) Add support for getting email and real name from API for target wikis using 1.20+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55639 +comment (10Carl Austin Bennett) [21:04:18] jerichodotm: There's somewhat of a split between the normal mediawiki community and the semantic mediawiki community [21:04:31] jerichodotm: The communities tend to be somewhat separate [21:05:10] SMW is a very popular extension (and yaron is one of its primary authors from what I understand), which has plenty of users. There are also plenty of sites that don't use (E.g. Wikipedia) [21:05:11] bawolff, thanks. this is why i should read up befoer asking questions. ;) [21:10:24] 03(mod) List of users who edited the page in enhanced RC/watchlist is clutter and superfluous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51895 +comment (10MZMcBride) [21:13:26] 03(mod) Display "Printable version" links on sidebar on Special Pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48234 +comment (10MZMcBride) [21:13:56] 03(mod) Remove "Printable version" link in toolbox from [[Special:Upload]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56786 (10MZMcBride) [21:15:44] 03(mod) Remove "Printable version" link in toolbox from [[Special:Upload]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56786 +comment (10b) [21:18:30] 03(mod) Add support for getting email and real name from API for target wikis using 1.20+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55639 +comment (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) [21:19:02] bawolff: I did not know that SMW was so popular. When I last used it (a few years ago) I got the impression that it was buggy and that the support website wasn't that great. Anyway, I pretty much created my own SMW from scratch, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BedellPenDragon [21:19:39] 03(mod) Add support for getting email and real name from API for target wikis using 1.20+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55639 +comment (10gerritadmin) [21:19:42] 03(mod) Add support for getting email and real name from API for target wikis using 1.20+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55639 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [21:20:35] leucosticte: I think SMW has a little bit of a wider scope than your thing [21:20:43] They want to do all the fancy semantic web stuff [21:22:18] leucosticte: SMW also has a lot of interest from academic type folks, as "semantic web" is a hot research topic at the moment, and SMW is an example of something that lets users do semantic web things in a somewhat easy to understand fashion [21:23:04] bawolff: isn't SMW going to be mostly deprecated in favor of Wikidata? [21:23:39] I don't know. I feel like the two will co-exist [21:24:51] SMW also has a lot of very powerful features that don't exactly scale, which would be out of scope for wikidata [21:25:12] I imagine the SMW folks would be able to answer that much better than I could [21:29:39] 03(NEW) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [21:29:58] 03(mod) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 summary (10MZMcBride) [21:30:06] MatmaRex: yw [21:38:25] 03(mod) Support site level notification type and manual notification creation (with operation logging) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56857 +comment (10legoktm.wikipedia) [21:42:55] Elsie: After all the fuss people made about us having it in the first place [21:43:49] Yes. [21:44:17] bawolff: who made a fuss where? [21:45:24] Bugzilla is full of bug reports about the printable feature. [21:45:34] 03(mod) Provide log of OAuth-related actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55718 +comment (10Dan Garry) [21:45:35] 03(mod) Review and deploy OAuth extension to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55679 (10Dan Garry) [21:45:41] 03(mod) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:46:02] MatmaRex: If I recall, we removed it at one point and was met with pitch forks or something [21:46:17] * bawolff might be remembering wrong [21:46:43] huh. [21:47:00] 03(mod) OAuth MediaWiki extension post-submission message is confusing after updating an app's grants - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55721 +comment (10Dan Garry) [21:47:01] 03(mod) Review and deploy OAuth extension to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55679 (10Dan Garry) [21:47:08] "printable version" is a thing from the nineties, we should have killed it when RL was introduced [21:47:24] "normal" MediaWiki pages print in exactly the same way "printable" ones do [21:47:36] MatmaRex: Want to make a bet on whether OAuth not having a log causes problems? [21:48:09] The nest thing about the 90's was that I could easily read one of those news article things split over 20 pages, on a single page with less ads by hitting printable [21:48:10] Lots of sites still have a printable version. [21:48:14] s/nest/next [21:48:16] Most news sites, anyway. [21:48:19] s/nest/best [21:48:22] I can type! [21:48:23] Right. [21:48:51] MediaWiki doesn't have the same issue because articles aren't paginated (yet). [21:49:06] and if they did, printable version wouldn't help you [21:49:08] And articles don't include ads (yet). [21:49:43] lol, using words like "yet" in that sentence is a dangerous proposition [21:50:21] bawolff: Want to make a bet on whether OAuth not having a log causes problems? [21:50:34] OAuth doesn't have a log... [21:50:50] Depends, can I have the side of it does cause problems? [21:51:06] No. :-) [21:51:23] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55718 is the bug. [21:52:46] Ok, comment 3 suggests it won't be as massive a problem as the conclusion I would initially jump to [21:52:55] Elsie: You haven't marked it as easy yet? [21:53:23] but still, seems like a logical feature [21:54:03] 03(mod) Provide log of OAuth-related actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55718 +easy (10MZMcBride) [21:54:07] legoktm: yw [21:54:13] ty [21:54:18] I wouldn't be surprised if that gets reverted. [21:54:37] bawolff: There's a log of when each application's request to be an OAuth consumer was authorised. There's not a per-user log of when they authorised applications though (that's what the bug's about). [21:54:51] adding logging to anything is like 10 lines of code in the right spot plus a few i18n messages [21:55:03] DGarry: where is that log? I didn't see it in the dropdown on Special:Log [21:55:11] legoktm: Did you just volunteer? :) [21:55:29] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=mwoauthconsumer&user=DGarry_%28WMF%29&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1 [21:55:48] What a pretty URL. [21:55:58] DGarry: I could see why a paranoid user would want such a log [21:56:17] DGarry: Oh. Is that not enabled on test.wp? [21:56:38] Elsie: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Log/mwoauthconsumer/DGarry_(WMF) [21:56:38] yw [21:56:47] Also, that could use a pretty log formatter. [21:56:56] legoktm: Right now, all the consumer requests go through mediawiki.org. [21:57:03] ok [21:57:07] in the future...? [21:57:08] Something that's untenable in the long term... [21:57:18] Also untenable in the short term. [21:57:19] just make them all go through meta? [21:57:25] In the future I want it to be per-wiki. [21:58:03] Why is having them centralized untenable? [21:58:20] (meta being a more logical place than mediawiki.org obviously) [21:58:36] DGarry: that would make OAuth de facto unusable, because a consumer woul need to register on (250 languages) * (6-or-so families) [21:59:15] valhallasw: No, you can register such that it can be used on any Wikimedia wiki. [21:59:27] valhallasw: It's just that all the registrations go through mediawiki.org. [21:59:34] ah, I see. [21:59:38] bawolff: Well, each wiki should have control over what applications are authorised on their wiki. [21:59:55] But they don't if you can get global approval. [22:00:00] bawolff: Same as they do for their admins, bureaucrats, whatever. [22:00:10] But if you need local approval, as I said, OAuth is basically useless. [22:00:34] valhallasw: Why is that? It would work for the big wikis. [22:00:43] DGarry: I'd point out for very advanced rights, those go through meta :p , but I get your point [22:01:08] DGarry: because the consumer would need to register with all sites, and get approval on all sites, before it can be used there? [22:01:19] which may or may not imply needing different keys for each site [22:01:21] bawolff: Well, sure. The real issue is that the wikis have control over what happens on their wikis. Whether that's social control or actual control in the software isn't so concerning. [22:01:22] DGarry: So to clarify, are you proposing 2 possible levels - Local wikis can approve things locally, or someone can request global approval at a central wiki? [22:01:37] bawolff: Like, stewards might be able to flick the switches, but really they're not the ones that are in control of when they do it. [22:01:45] and which gives one hell of a mess when you need to create a new version [22:01:52] bawolff: Yep, exactly. That's the future plan. [22:02:28] similar to "bot"/ "global bot" distinction [22:02:52] * bawolff should try and make some sort of oauth client, just to see what the fuss is about [22:03:23] bawolff: If you're interested in a test run, try this: https://tools.wmflabs.org/oauth-hello-world/index.php [22:03:30] bawolff: The code for that is in there too. [22:03:43] bawolff: But sometimes there's just no substitute for programming it yourself... [22:04:01] bawolff: alternatively, see https://github.com/valhallasw/flask-mwoauth, but it's a wrapper/hack around another library, so it's not that instructive [22:04:04] hmm, I suppose I should come up with a use case [22:04:18] Moving a wiki to be on wheels probably being a bad use case [22:04:45] "Rename all sysops on your favorite wiki to be "$user on wheels"" [22:04:53] I would approve that! [22:05:04] I've got one. [22:05:07] Random CheckUser. [22:05:13] Why walk when you could be on wheels! [22:05:16] Randomly checks a user and pastes their IP and user agent info on to their talk page. [22:05:25] No, please, don't do that! ^_^ [22:05:43] Is Willey even still a thing? or is he history now a days? [22:06:10] You still get the occasional impersonator. But it's very rare. [22:06:14] 03(mod) Using Google Translate for a Wikipedia page causes forceHTTPS session cookies to be placed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55887 +comment (10salisria) [22:06:15] The original Willy is long gone, I think. [22:06:44] Some of his old accounts were compromised last month [22:07:01] Also is there docs on mw.org about oauth? (Other than https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuth#Using_OAuth )? [22:07:17] Help:OAuth [22:07:30] bawolff: extension:oauth is the best place to look, really [22:07:34] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:OAuth [22:07:45] legoktm: Seriously though, if bashing out a per-user log will only take you 10 minutes, you should totally do that. :) [22:07:56] I think I figured it out [22:08:02] Elsie: Before we roll out, that page needs... well, creating. [22:08:20] That'd be a great thing for me to do tomorrow. [22:08:24] but the example implementation listed there is a bit quirky because it doesn't actually use the normal OAuth protocol but a json alternative [22:09:01] I'm glad DGarry approves of legoktm doing work. [22:10:00] DGarry: I don't see checkuser on the list of rights at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration/propose - how am I supposed to steal IP addresses? [22:10:07] I think it's MWOAuthConsumerAcceptanceSubmitControl::processAction [22:10:11] But I'm not sure. [22:10:31] bawolff: $REMOTE_ADDR? ;-) [22:10:34] Well like obviously I can do so indirectly via "Edit the MediaWiki namespace and user CSS/JS" - but that's hacky :P [22:10:56] Elsie: It's why Terry hired him. :) [22:11:30] Is legoktm an employee now? [22:11:37] contractor* [22:12:09] legoktm: Congratulations [22:12:15] thanks :) [22:12:42] Which team/area are you assigned to? [22:12:48] Me telling him what to do is a bit like the blind leading the... not blind. [22:12:58] Features, but most of the stuff I'm actually doing falls under platform [22:13:27] legoktm: And your time is greatly appreciated, I can tell you that. :) [22:14:08] 03(mod) Hyperlinks seemingly unsupported in app metadata fields in OAuth MediaWiki extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55705 +comment (10Dan Garry) [22:14:08] hmm, so does that mean things like doing maintinance of extensions that were developed by features but are done and being "maintained" by platform? [22:14:08] 03(mod) Review and deploy OAuth extension to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55679 (10Dan Garry) [22:14:28] bawolff: Possibly. Which extension are you thinking about? [22:14:56] bawolff: He's been handling random things for me at the minute, mostly. [22:15:30] Nothing in particular, just curious - I've noticed you often work on things like "echo" which seem to fall into that category [22:16:32] Yeah, I want to do some work on echo, I personally wouldn't consider it even close to "done". But I'm also doing admin tools stuff which falls under platform [22:17:36] legoktm: We should talk about that CSS/JS thing some time. There's a more long term solution on the calendar, but it's a long way off yet. A quick hack might be appreciated in the mean time. [22:17:52] "done" in the sense that from what I understand the primary team who was originally developing it has moved on to other things [22:18:04] DGarry: What is the long term solution? The current method isn't a hack at all :) [22:18:07] legoktm: Also, my email client autocorrects "legoktm" to "assign to legoktm" in the search bar. ^_^ [22:18:18] bawolff: yeah, unfortunately. [22:18:19] bahaha [22:19:01] legoktm: Okay, hack wasn't the right wording. But your solution may end up being superseded... it just depends on how far down the line that is. [22:19:23] Well, what is the future solution? [22:20:02] We have no idea yet. I'm supposed to start coming up with ideas on how to handle it and have some ideas by early December! [22:20:13] Hmm, I kind of feel sketchy about the idea of local wikis approving oauth applications, if that oauth application could have rights like "sendemail" [22:20:20] You can certainly sound blind. [22:20:44] Elsie: It's a definitely skill of mine. [22:21:41] legoktm: I'll shoot you an email about it. There's loads of options on the table, but I'm a bit tired to enumerate them all right now. [22:21:54] Does a user approve an oauth application on any wiki or do they have to do it on the central wiki? [22:21:58] DGarry: sounds good [22:22:27] global gadgets + global options would alleviate the pain a lot. [22:23:10] legoktm: user goes to app, app redirects to mw.o, wm.o redirects back to app [22:23:22] legoktm: mw.o shows a list of the sites the app is allowed to access and with which permissions [22:24:13] valhallasw: but i can go to https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuthManageMyGrants/ and revoke access for gerrit patch uploader even though its only on mw.o [22:24:39] that's probably a bug. [22:25:00] legoktm: maybe the app could also redirect to test.wp.o instead, not sure [22:25:23] well, in the current state it makes logging near impossible [22:25:28] I haven't checked out non-mw.o api requests, to be honest [22:26:12] Hmm, having the "Privacy policy" link right next to the grant this application rights, seems a bit misleading, as it looks like the privacy policy is for that application, not for wikimedia [22:27:14] [10 Nov 13 22:54] adding logging to anything is like 10 lines of code in the right spot plus a few i18n messages [22:27:20] [10 Nov 13 23:25] well, in the current state it makes logging near impossible [22:27:30] how much half an hour can change. :D [22:27:37] >.> [22:27:46] the issue is that oauth lets you change stuff from any wiki [22:27:51] :D [22:28:01] i can add the logging, but it would be split across a bajillion wikis [22:30:15] legoktm: the storage of permissions must be centralised somewhere? the logging should be somewhere there, I guess. [22:30:36] i.e. test.wikipedia calls mw.o in some way, and you should be able to intercept that on the mw.o end [22:30:38] yes but its not easy to add a log entry onto a remote wiki [22:30:56] unless test.wp edits the mw.o database directly, but that would be...weird. [22:31:02] it probably does! [22:31:09] or there is a central db somewhere. [22:34:13] I imagine it would be in the central auth db, if grants are associated with central auth users [22:39:46] 03(mod) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 +comment (10Nathan Larson) [22:41:37] 03(mod) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [22:41:59] extensions. [22:43:11] are wonderful [22:43:38] 03(mod) Evaluate possibly removing "printable version" feature from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56875 +comment (10matma.rex) [22:43:45] bawolff: mid-air collision! [22:44:03] *boing* [22:59:31] can someone help me with the SiteSQLStore?