[00:01:08] <biberao>	 mediawiki is killing me
[00:03:07] <p858snake|l>	 I didn't know mediawiki's ai had progressed that far yet
[00:13:49] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: hi there!
[00:14:04] <fhocutt>	 hi sumanah!
[00:14:21] <sumanah>	 csteipp: I'm sorry I missed the meeting; tried to make it but train wifi wasn't quite good enough
[00:14:45] <csteipp>	 sumanah: No problem! I took some notes :)
[00:14:54] <Amgine>	 <gives sumanah a satellite dongle>
[00:14:56] <csteipp>	 They'll be up on mediawiki sometime next week.
[00:15:26] <sumanah>	 Thanks csteipp!
[00:15:34] <sumanah>	 Amgine: yeah, the more I travel the more I think about doing that
[00:16:27] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: how has your learning been going?
[00:16:52] <fhocutt>	 I read the SOA intro, and also some of the other architecture chapters
[00:17:01] <fhocutt>	 including the MediaWiki one
[00:17:12] <fhocutt>	 I was not aware that wikitext was quite so hacked-together! 
[00:17:16] <sumanah>	 YES
[00:17:43] <fhocutt>	 I've been working on more dreamwidth stuff, I patched two bugs! 
[00:17:52] <sumanah>	 coooool
[00:17:59] <fhocutt>	 they are waiting for code review. Very exciting. 
[00:18:00] <sumanah>	 Are the patches merged?
[00:18:01] <sumanah>	 oh got it
[00:18:04] <fhocutt>	 not yet.
[00:18:08] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Code_review/Getting_reviews
[00:18:17] <sumanah>	 might be interesting for you
[00:19:11] <fhocutt>	 useful, thanks. 
[00:19:15] <sumanah>	 cool
[00:19:37] <sumanah>	 anything else particularly striking you or confusing right now?
[00:19:42] <fhocutt>	 I was actually just going to start hunting for API client libraries
[00:20:23] <fhocutt>	 any good places to look besides google, github, bitbucket, and various official language libraries?
[00:20:48] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: mind asking that question in email to me + Tollef + Brad + Merlijn? I think they'll have some ideas
[00:20:56] <fhocutt>	 can do. 
[00:21:31] <sumanah>	 I presume you specifically want ones that are reasonably well-written, right? to practice with?
[00:21:41] <fhocutt>	 I just want to find what's out there. 
[00:21:56] <Amgine>	 language.
[00:22:04] <fhocutt>	 to see how complete API:Client Code is
[00:22:14] <fhocutt>	 Amgine: Ruby, Perl, Python, JS, Java
[00:23:06] <sumanah>	 Got it. I think you might try randomly choosing popular services and searching for "[thing] api client library"
[00:23:15] <sumanah>	 and get stuff like https://dev.twitter.com/docs/twitter-libraries and https://github.com/blobaugh/WordPress-API-Client
[00:23:22] <sumanah>	 and https://www.flickr.com/services/api/
[00:23:46] * fhocutt  nods

[00:23:48] <Amgine>	 <nods> 
[00:24:00] <thedj>	 btw, SOA in dutch stands for STD
[00:24:06] <sumanah>	 ohhhhh
[00:24:17] <sumanah>	 ECT often stands for Electroconvulsive therapy
[00:24:38] <fhocutt>	 ah! Good to know
[00:25:07] * sumanah  has a team named ECT; knows it is weird

[00:25:20] <sumanah>	 team was previously named TL;DR
[00:25:28] <fhocutt>	 oh excellent
[00:25:40] <thedj>	 hah
[00:25:50] <Amgine>	 <chuckles>
[00:25:59] <sumanah>	 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/15/tld/
[00:27:17] <fhocutt>	 sumanah, another question
[00:27:20] <Amgine>	 w/o the 'relations', it'd been the tld.
[00:28:01] <fhocutt>	 my testing on simplemediawiki was mostly trying to get it to work and testing a handful of things, not systematic at all
[00:28:17] <fhocutt>	 do you have suggestions for how I can go about that more systematically?
[00:29:07] <fhocutt>	 smw exposes enough of the API that once it's working with tokens etc. it's pretty much "make an API call with it, make an API call with the sandbox/browser, compare results"
[00:29:39] * sumanah  considers

[00:32:03] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: so, it might be time for you to look at api.php
[00:32:48] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: did you already read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API/Tutorial ? I know videos are not the best way for you to take in information but it might be worth you watching it (especially if you don't mind taking some notes to improve that page along the way)
[00:33:07] <sumanah>	 (there's a video embedded on that pg you see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:The_MediaWiki_Web_API_and_How_to_use_it_-_San_Francisco_Wikipedia_Hackathon_2012.ogv )
[00:33:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The newly added section title is missing in preview when a new section is added in mobile edit of the lead (first) section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62652  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[00:35:00] <fhocutt>	 let me see. I know I looked at *an* API tutorial page but it might have been the wikipedia one?
[00:36:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Flow: Viewing a difflink to a deleted Topic gives Error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63247 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Flow; ()
[00:37:32] <sumanah>	 (the Amtrak employees are now discussing BitStrips, animated self-insertion comics on Facebook)
[00:37:43] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: I totally missed that API:Tutorial was notes for the video
[00:37:54] <fhocutt>	 no wonder I found it really sketchy
[00:37:54] <sumanah>	 I can understand that!
[00:38:00] <sumanah>	 it is
[00:38:12] <fhocutt>	 so yes, I can totally take notes to the video. 
[00:38:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The newly added section title is missing in preview when a new section is added in mobile edit of the lead (first) section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62652  (10Jon)
[00:39:26] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: ok. I suggest you take a look at that, and maybe at http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php and http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php
[00:39:41] <sumanah>	 I don't think you should try to read those api.php pages straight through
[00:40:30] <sumanah>	 I just want you to see them, and to know about them as references in case you're trying to think about what edge cases to fiddle with
[00:40:31] <fhocutt>	 the mediawiki api.php page is not very beginner-friendly.
[00:40:42] <sumanah>	 IT IS SO HOSTILE. You are right
[00:40:44] <fhocutt>	 ok! 
[00:40:55] <fhocutt>	 it also doesn't mention how to use tokens :P
[00:41:01] <sumanah>	 Another thing you should check out: http://seealso.hatnote.com/
[00:41:02] <fhocutt>	 that was confusing me
[00:41:12] <sumanah>	 "This is a collection of our favorite projects built on open data from Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Source code and more details about this page are available on Github."
[00:41:29] <fhocutt>	 oh nice! 
[00:41:32] <fhocutt>	 that is very cool
[00:41:34] <sumanah>	 yes
[00:41:49] <fhocutt>	 that is some nice visualization. 
[00:42:02] <sumanah>	 And it gives you ideas for things you might want to have as test ideas that you could implement over and over in lots of different languages
[00:42:16] <fhocutt>	 ah, ok. 
[00:42:18] <sumanah>	 similarly: http://tools.wmflabs.org/
[00:42:49] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I'm sorry, I worry that I haven't been very available this week - I know I have not responded to your email about conferences yet. Did I leave you in the lurch?
[00:43:13] <fhocutt>	 so you're suggesting I see what the API makes hard/touchy, and see if these libraries make it possible/easy to handle those?
[00:44:11] <fhocutt>	 sumanah, not yet on the conferences! I talked with hypatia on OSB so I have some ideas there. I'd appreciate feedback on the wikiconference ones though, I am not sure at all who the audience is there
[00:44:23] <sumanah>	 Got it
[00:45:07] <fhocutt>	 OSB deadline isn't till the 4th, so I'll be working on the wikicon ones this weekend
[00:45:07] * sumanah  thinks

[00:45:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Styling issues in search overlay - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63246  +comment (10rkaldari)
[00:45:41] <sumanah>	 I think one difficult thing is that we don't quite know yet who will show up at Wiki Conference USA - but we have some idea
[00:45:48] <sumanah>	 current submissions to Wiki Conference USA: http://wikiconferenceusa.org/index.php?namespace=106&days=30&title=Special%3ARecentChanges
[00:46:06] * fhocutt  nods

[00:46:22] <fhocutt>	 I took a look through some of those
[00:48:16] <fhocutt>	 I'd be really interested in doing something on how impostor syndrome interacts with "the wiki way"
[00:48:35] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: so, as I understand it, right now you are sort of itching to do more exploration in a more systematic way to learn more about APIs in general, the MediaWiki API, and various client libraries, so you can gain better understanding of what developers want and what your criteria will be (basically prepping for your Week 1 task "Research and decide on criteria to evaluate these libraries in more depth.")
[00:48:50] <fhocutt>	 yes. 
[00:50:20] <sumanah>	 OK. So, I suggest you perhaps pick some API - such as the Flickr API or the Etsy API - and do a tiny fun project *two different ways* -- one "directly" interacting with the API (using something like the Python requests library, a general-purpose API interface), and the other using a language-specific client library
[00:50:46] <harej>	 sumanah: I may have some insight on who will attend WikiConference USA. Are you asking in terms of demographic or technical audience vs. relatively less technical audience?
[00:51:09] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: example project: spit out to the command line the titles and URLs of the 10 most recent Flickr photos that have the tag 'squid'
[00:51:25] * fhocutt  notes 

[00:51:42] <fhocutt>	 sounds interesting and doable.
[00:51:46] <sumanah>	 oh hi harej! Right! Hmm, I'd love to know how many registrations you have
[00:52:02] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: if you wouldn't mind documenting what we just talked about in an email to me + Brad/Tollef/Merlijn, that would be great
[00:52:14] <fhocutt>	 sure, can do.
[00:52:19] <fhocutt>	 thanks! 
[00:52:19] <sumanah>	 so they can check whether I've been reasonable in my suggestion -- whether that idea would help you towards your goal
[00:53:34] * fhocutt  nods

[00:53:36] <sumanah>	 harej: I'd also love to know about what proportion of the attendees would be interested in a "show me the code"-level technical talk, versus what proportion would be interested in a more "technical but accessible to a smart layperson" talk
[00:54:29] <sumanah>	 harej: I spread the word about Wiki Conference USA at the Code4Lib conference this week and encouraged attendance and talk submission, btw
[00:54:34] <harej>	 Hooray!
[00:55:31] * sumanah  listens after spouting off all these possibly ill-formed questions

[00:56:55] <harej>	 registrations: i will get that number from the conference director herself shortly
[00:57:00] <sumanah>	 \o/
[00:58:12] <harej>	 i'm not sure what the audience would be like for highly technical presentations but as far as i know we're reaching out to new york-based open source folk
[01:00:09] <harej>	 Jennifer thinks there would be people interested in highly technical presentations, "if it has some type of explanatory session too"
[01:01:23] <sumanah>	 OK, I'm going to interpret that as the idea of a 2-part session, part I being background for smart noncoders, part II being codey bits
[01:01:42] <sumanah>	 er, I sort of mean a two-session talk
[01:04:01] <harej>	 That sounds doable. The best way to find out is to submit a proposal and then get your friends to express support for it!
[01:04:13] <harej>	 Also, have people apply for scholarships. I want our scholarship process to actually be somewhat competitive.
[01:04:35] <sumanah>	 harej: I think "the best way" might be a bit of an overstatement, but I'll agree with "a good way". :)
[01:04:55] <sumanah>	 Do you feel free to talk about how many scholarship applications you have received and how many you will be able to fund?
[01:05:17] <harej>	 We're planning on funding about 30 scholarships.
[01:08:22] <sumanah>	 I gotta go, but thanks harej 
[01:08:28] <sumanah>	 and thanks fhocutt, see you on email
[01:15:06] <biberao>	 all working finally
[01:15:16] <biberao>	 how can i hide the parsoid 8000 frm others?
[01:21:20] <gwicke>	 biberao, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup#Run_the_server
[01:21:37] <gwicke>	 export INTERFACE=127.0.0.1
[01:21:37] <gwicke>	 export PORT=8142 
[01:21:37] <gwicke>	 node api/server.js
[01:21:46] <biberao>	 like
[01:21:53] <biberao>	 im trying to run it on gentoo
[01:22:06] <biberao>	 on server.js where it says http://
[01:22:18] <biberao>	 i meant localsettings.js should i make http://127?
[01:23:47] <gwicke>	 biberao, those are env vars
[01:23:52] <gwicke>	 see the link
[01:27:05] <biberao>	 i got this
[01:27:41] <biberao>	 parsoidConfig.setInterwiki( 'localhost', 'http://externalip/api.php'
[01:27:44] <biberao>	 wrong?
[02:27:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248 normal; MobileFrontend: General/Unknown; ()
[02:30:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10bingle-admin)
[02:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [New UserLogin] Messages 'loginstart', 'loginend' and 'login-https' missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47883  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[02:36:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  (10Faidon Liambotis)
[02:45:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; ()
[02:54:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  normal->04CRIT (10Greg Grossmeier)
[02:57:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249  (10Greg Grossmeier)
[02:57:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249  (10Greg Grossmeier)
[03:33:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Provide oo.initClass() to initialize .static and potentially other things in the future - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63250 normal; OOjs: General; ()
[03:47:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[04:27:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Only accept CAPTCHA responses with diacritics removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63216  +comment (10Nikola Smolenski)
[04:29:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser tests for guided tours being delivered by the GettingStarted toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52246  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[04:29:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Maps should pass jshint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61611  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:32:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[04:32:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncacheable RecentChanges feed, outlier in frontend cache misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63249  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[04:33:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cite references disappear when Maps in included before Cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38539  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:33:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) References not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32713  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:33:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cite references disappear when Maps in included before Cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38539  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[04:34:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write a script to generate a unique installation of OpenLayers for every supported user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19651  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:35:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Don't display OpenLayers control when printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19667  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:36:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The language of google map is hardcoded by the first viewer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30947  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:37:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) overlapping markers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23739  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[04:53:10] <legoktm>	 http://insights.ubuntu.com/news/juju-bundles-and-quickstart-create-an-entire-cloud-environment-in-seconds/
[05:21:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing stats for zh.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61420  +comment (10zhuyifei1999)
[05:31:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Can't paste in ref dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63252 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; ()
[05:56:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10Nikola Smolenski)
[06:07:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Score should support note names in other languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47604  +comment (10jeanluc.thiebaut)
[06:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10Emufarmers)
[06:55:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Hovercards/Popups do not close in browsers without animationend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63253 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Popups; ()
[06:56:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Hovercards/Popups do not close in browsers without animationend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63253  normal->major (10Prateek Saxena)
[07:28:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GWtoolset uploaded a file with non-normalized unicode characters causing subtle breakage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62870  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[07:58:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10federicoleva)
[08:07:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The language of google map is hardcoded by the first viewer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30947  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:07:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize captcha images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5309  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[08:08:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize captcha images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5309  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[08:11:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  (10Nemo)
[08:23:54] <imorg>	 how can i change from index.php?title=Hauptseite to just /Hauptseite ?
[08:26:11] <imorg>	 and how is this called?
[08:29:25] <Saruman>	 imorg: short URL
[08:29:26] <Saruman>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[08:33:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize captcha images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5309  +comment (10federicoleva)
[08:54:06] <imorg>	 Saruman thanks!
[08:55:28] <Saruman>	 np
[09:17:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Maps should pass jshint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61611  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:18:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [upstream] Maps should pass jshint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61611   +upstream; summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:22:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Jenkins jobs for SwiftCloudFiles extension repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63245  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:22:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Jenkins: Jobs for SwiftCloudFiles extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46262  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:24:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review, merge and deploy chinese-collation branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44667  +comment (10250055655)
[09:29:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow for using language-specific collations for category sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43799  +comment (10250055655)
[09:30:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow for using language-specific collations for category sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43799  +comment (10250055655)
[09:30:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow for using language-specific collations for category sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43799  +comment (10250055655)
[09:41:22] <siebrand>	 I blocked the user account 250055655@qq.com
[09:42:20] <siebrand>	 There's probably also 541329866@qq.com
[09:42:20] <siebrand>	 541329866@qq.com
[09:42:27] <siebrand>	 541329866@qq.com I men
[09:42:28] <siebrand>	 mean
[09:43:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow for using language-specific collations for category sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43799  (10Siebrand Mazeland)
[09:45:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review, merge and deploy chinese-collation branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44667  (10Siebrand Mazeland)
[10:00:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [upstream] Maps should pass jshint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61611  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[10:24:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Jenkins: Add a lint job for JSON - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58279  +comment (10Nemo)
[11:03:45] <gleki>	 hello. how can i list all files in File: namespace with a given suffix (extension) ?
[11:05:03] <Vulpix>	 gleki: filter by extension is not possible, but you can try by mime type: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MIMESearch
[11:05:32] <gleki>	 Vulpix: any extensions for that?
[11:05:47] <Vulpix>	 I think it's part of core
[11:06:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GWtoolset uploaded a file with non-normalized unicode characters causing subtle breakage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62870  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[11:06:14] <gleki>	 i mean for extensions, not MIME
[11:06:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Commons support for Flickr HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63254 enhancement; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; ()
[11:07:44] <Vulpix>	 I doubt anyone has come with an extension for that, it's not really useful to filter by that
[11:08:15] <Vulpix>	 imagine if you have files with .jpg, .JPG and .jpeg extensions
[11:08:31] <Vulpix>	 MIME search is more powerful
[11:09:04] <gleki>	 then i would search for /\.jp(e|)g$/i    ;)
[11:09:16] <gleki>	 but thank you
[11:10:25] <Vulpix>	 gleki: such extension would imply database changes: add the extension to a new table column and add an index for that
[11:10:29] <Vulpix>	 it's not so easy to do that
[11:10:53] <gleki>	 'k
[11:21:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unneeded line break after combobox fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32678  (10s7eph4n)
[11:25:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GWtoolset uploaded a file with non-normalized unicode characters causing subtle breakage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62870  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[11:26:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) check standard spam prevention features work in Wikibase - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63255 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[11:27:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) check standard spam prevention features work in Wikibase - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63255  (10Lydia Pintscher)
[11:37:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[11:37:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[11:40:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[11:40:59] <Robhob>	 Hi guys
[11:43:11] <Robhob>	 i need some help with the ConfirmAccount extension please
[11:48:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[11:51:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) runQuery "Additional Query" label needs CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41538  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[11:51:46] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: ??
[11:52:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) runQuery "Additional Query" label needs CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41538  (10s7eph4n)
[11:52:28] <Vulpix>	 !telepathy | Robhob 
[11:52:28] <wm-bot>	 Robhob: All our telepaths are on vacation, so we can't help you unless you provide more details.
[11:53:04] <Robhob>	 well, i get the infamous "1146: Table 'my_wiki.account_requests' doesn't exist (localhost)". error, running the web update didnt help
[11:53:06] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix: nice
[11:53:47] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: do you have ssh access?
[11:54:10] <Robhob>	 well, no, i am an absolute noob, running mw on a synology nas
[11:54:12] <andydev711>	 i get an error while cloning vagrant ...here's the transcript https://gist.github.com/ImPacific/9853109 ...
[11:54:18] <andydev711>	 pls help
[11:55:48] <Betacommand>	 !e ConfirmAccount
[11:55:48] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[11:56:49] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: what is the output of upgrade.php ?
[11:57:00] <Vulpix>	 andydev711: well, you have a DNS problem. gerrit.wikimedia.org resolves fine for me
[11:57:35] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: what do you mean?
[11:57:57] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: when you ran the web upgrade did it provide any output?
[11:58:16] <Betacommand>	 any messages, notices, errors or the like
[11:58:35] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: yeah, i got a new LocalSettings.php which i copied in the mw folder again
[11:59:17] <Betacommand>	 any other messages?
[11:59:36] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: nope, just the download came up
[12:00:18] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix: any ideas with Robhob ?
[12:00:55] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: is this a local setup or do you have a hosting provider?
[12:01:06] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: its local
[12:01:36] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: can you login the machine that is running mediawiki?
[12:02:11] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: yeah, i get access via synology webinterface or via normal browser
[12:02:32] <Betacommand>	 let me look something up
[12:03:32] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: can you try getting command line access? http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Enabling_the_Command_Line_Interface
[12:04:08] <Betacommand>	 with command line access we can do quite a bit more
[12:04:09] <Vulpix>	 Robhob: huh, a new LocalSettings? what MediaWiki version are you using?
[12:04:50] <Vulpix>	 when LocalSettings is present, it asks you for a token, and then it performs the database update. It doesn't generate a new LocalSettings
[12:04:54] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: havent tried it but give me a second
[12:06:12] <Robhob>	 vulpix: i run 1.19. i used /mediawiki/mw-config
[12:09:22] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: i think i have it running with putty :)
[12:09:55] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: can you cd to the location of your mediawiki install?
[12:11:03] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: yep i am there
[12:11:17] <Betacommand>	 cd maintenance 
[12:11:26] <Betacommand>	 php update.php
[12:12:38] <Robhob>	 PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method MysqlUpdater::dropExtensionIndex() in /volume1/web/MediaWiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount/backend/schema/ConfirmAccountUpdater.hooks.php on line 22
[12:13:31] <Betacommand>	 ah
[12:14:10] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: when you downloaded the extension did you ensure that you got the version for 1.19?
[12:14:29] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: actually, no ^^
[12:14:39] <Betacommand>	 thats your problem
[12:14:55] <Betacommand>	 odds are something changed between 1.19 and 1.23
[12:15:22] <Betacommand>	 and the 1.23 checkout isnt compatible with 1.19
[12:15:47] <MaxSem>	 pfft. in MobileFrontend, we simply perform a version check and refuse to cooperate with older MW versions
[12:16:02] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: i thought the mw package for synology would be up to date, but now i see the problem, where do i get an older confirmacc version?
[12:16:20] <Betacommand>	 !e ConfirmAccount
[12:16:20] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[12:17:03] <Robhob>	 ok thanks
[12:17:16] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/ConfirmAccount
[12:18:22] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: when installing any extension ensure that you get the 1.19 version, or upgrade your wiki
[12:19:19] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: i will try the 1.19 version, upgrading the mw maybe would be better but maybe to complex?
[12:19:32] <Vulpix>	 MaxSem: hah, I've just seen this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:MobileFrontend/upstream_not_working_with_MW_1.22.4
[12:19:34] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: upgrading isnt that hard
[12:20:57] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: Im in the process of upgrading my local wiki now
[12:20:59] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: i am still messing around, don't have any content in my mw, so if there is a easy way to upgrade then i will do it
[12:21:13] <MaxSem>	 Vulpix, yep - I already merged that fix:)
[12:21:24] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: yeah upgrading is fairly easy
[12:21:40] <Vulpix>	 Robhob: but be sure to perform a backup in case you find a bug or something broken (no suitable extension for the new version, etc)
[12:21:58] <Betacommand>	 Vulpix: no content
[12:22:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add Lua and JS code completion for Mediawiki libraries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63256 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeEditor; ()
[12:22:49] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: http://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.22/mediawiki-1.22.5.tar.gz
[12:23:09] <Betacommand>	 extract that and dump it in the mediawiki folder
[12:23:27] <Betacommand>	 do the same for all extensions
[12:23:38] <Betacommand>	 the run update.php
[12:24:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Lua and JS code completion for Mediawiki libraries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63256  (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[12:24:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Lua code-completion support to CodeEditor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48828  (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[12:24:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Lua and JS code completion for Mediawiki libraries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63256  normal->15enhancement (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[12:29:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Lua and JS code completion for Mediawiki libraries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63256  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[12:34:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF AutoEdit API doesn't require edit token - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51505  (10s7eph4n)
[12:43:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Migrate MwEmbedSupport to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63257 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MwEmbedSupport; ()
[12:44:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Migrate TimedMediaHandler to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63258 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; ()
[12:44:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate MwEmbedSupport to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63257  (10Siebrand Mazeland)
[12:50:54] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Template's html code shows on page when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63259 normal; VisualEditor: General; ()
[12:51:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template's CSS code shows on page when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63259  summary (10Stryn)
[12:57:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add Jenkins jobs for TextExtracts extension repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63260 normal; Wikimedia: Continuous integration; ()
[13:04:43] <Robhob>	 Betacommand: thank you very much for your help, got 1.22.5 running :)
[13:04:57] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: no problem
[13:05:29] <Betacommand>	 Robhob: I use bleeding edge, master checkout :)
[13:08:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [New UserLogin] Messages 'loginstart', 'loginend' and 'login-https' missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47883  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[13:17:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template's CSS code shows on page when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63259  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[13:35:48] <RickyB98>	 i see in some templates in wikipedia something like [[irc:#chan]] how does that work?
[13:37:09] <Vulpix>	 irc: may have been registered as an interwiki link
[13:37:13] <Vulpix>	 !interwiki
[13:37:13] <wm-bot>	 Interwiki links are links between wikis. For instance, on Wikibooks, [[w:Article name]] or [[wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article. To set up interwiki links, see <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Guide_to_setting_up_interwiki_linking> and <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki>. For easy configuration, use <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki>
[13:38:28] <RickyB98>	 oh.. okay
[13:38:32] <RickyB98>	 thanks Vulpix :-)
[13:39:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser tests for guided tours being delivered by the GettingStarted toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52246  +comment (10zfilipin)
[13:42:15] <RickyB98>	 Vulpix, is it possible to include more than one argument in interwikis? like $1, $2, $3..
[13:44:36] <thedj>	 i wonder how long the wikieditor toolbar has been broken in IE7
[13:45:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate MwEmbedSupport to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63257  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[13:45:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate MwEmbedSupport to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63257  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[13:45:44] <Lcawte>	 Don't know, nobody uses IE :)
[13:46:04] <Vulpix>	 RickyB98: nope, otherwise how would you specify them when making links?
[13:46:49] <RickyB98>	 right... :\ coz i needed irc links directed to more than one server..
[13:46:58] <RickyB98>	 ok, no problem, thanks :-)
[13:47:09] <RickyB98>	 gonna use {{{1}}} stuff :P
[13:47:54] <Vulpix>	 use the normal link, [irc://server/channel]
[13:48:26] <Revi>	 lol, Korean banks forces everybody to use IE
[13:48:48] <Revi>	 *force
[13:50:25] <Lcawte>	 Poor bank workers in Korea... why are they editing from their secure office terminals anyway? :P
[13:53:00] <Revi>	 they use ActiveX, and their machine OS is WinXP... OMG....
[13:53:07] <Revi>	 I wanna escape here
[13:57:05] <biberao>	 Revi: here too
[13:57:18] <biberao>	 every bank here runs IE and WinXP
[13:57:19] <Revi>	 Oh....
[13:57:25] <biberao>	 even hospitals
[13:57:37] <Revi>	 Oh, hospital too...
[13:57:38] <biberao>	 an i5 with >4gb ram with windows xp
[13:57:38] <biberao>	 :|
[13:57:46] <Revi>	 :P....
[13:58:01] <Revi>	 Currently almost 50% uses WinXP (iirc)
[13:58:19] <biberao>	 ATMs here run winxp
[13:58:21] <biberao>	 hehe
[13:58:47] <RickyB98>	 Vulpix, look how weird: if i write just "irc:blah" it turns that into an irc link and doesn't allow me to add a port :o
[13:59:01] <Revi>	 :P South Korean gov will develop new OS based on Linux 
[13:59:26] <biberao>	 north korea
[13:59:29] <biberao>	 demands linux
[13:59:40] <Revi>	 lol NK has linux too
[13:59:49] <Revi>	 iirc, Kwangmyeong....
[14:17:39] <RickyB98>	 Nemo_bis, italiano preferito, ci sei? :P
[14:43:24] <Kolega2357>	 How to translate MediaWiki:Rollback-success  
[14:48:51] <Vulpix>	 Kolega2357: I don't know the question.... if you know the message, just edit it
[14:51:54] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 what Vulpix said
[14:52:31] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 also, if you want your translation to be displayed on all wikis you can go to translatewiki.net and request translator rights
[15:02:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[15:03:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10matma.rex)
[15:04:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10matma.rex)
[15:05:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10matma.rex)
[15:09:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[15:09:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[15:21:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Using <section> prevents from inheriting CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63233  +comment (10schenonef)
[15:23:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) namespaces above ID 127 are not shown correctly in the log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31397  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:27:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The newline added to a template, magic word, variable, or parser function that returns line-start wikicode formatting (*#:; ) causes unexpected parsing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12974  +comment (10Jesús Martínez Novo (Ciencia Al Poder))
[15:31:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Using <section> prevents from inheriting CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63233  +comment (10matma.rex)
[15:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Alter table abuse_filter_log afl_namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63261 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; ()
[15:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema changes for Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49188  (10se4598)
[15:41:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Alter table abuse_filter_log afl_namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63261  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:41:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) namespaces above ID 127 are not shown correctly in the log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31397  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:06:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Visualization issues with Firefox Aurora 29.0a2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62645  +comment (10strynwiki)
[16:10:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The newline added to a template, magic word, variable, or parser function that returns line-start wikicode formatting (*#:; ) causes unexpected parsing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12974  +comment (10dragonlordofxanther)
[16:19:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File pages with upload versions but no page revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40178  +comment (10Marco)
[16:25:36] <guser>	 Hi, I'm trying to edit some URLs for interwiki linking. I've updated the row in the interwiki table, and I've run 'php maintenance/purgeList.php --all' and 'php maintenance/clearInterwikiCache.php', but the old links still show up. What do I need to do to refresh the links?
[16:26:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File pages with upload versions but no page revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40178  +comment (10maic274)
[16:30:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search local titles with another language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44038  +comment (10scott)
[16:39:31] <Betacommand>	 guser: try rebuildall
[16:40:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MediaWikiExtensionMessageGroup should not extend SingleFileBasedMessageGroup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63262 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[16:45:11] <aharoni>	 Does anybody now a tool that can automatically "play" all the diffs of an article? To show how it grew over time?
[16:45:22] <aharoni>	 I remember seeing something like this, but can't find it now.
[16:52:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWikiExtensionMessageGroup should not extend SingleFileBasedMessageGroup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63262  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:05:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10faidon)
[17:08:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) There doesn't seem to be a help page, user help manual, or link to the Wikipedia app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52795  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:09:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Headings left aligned in Hebrew - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61260  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:09:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/745  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:10:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The lead section is duplicated with section heading "undefined" in articles with only a lead section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62721  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:10:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) action=mobileview shouldn't return sections when the range of sections asked for is out of range - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61868  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:13:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) content is left aligned in rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61867  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:22:55] <guser>	 Betacommand: Alright, that worked. Thanks!
[17:24:48] <Betacommand>	 guser: odds are there was something in the links, or other tables that was causing a cache issue. Rebuildall purges all of that
[17:27:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unable to edit on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61872  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:31:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "Wikipedia-android-strings-last updated text" message needs to be more flexible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63263 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; ()
[17:33:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:34:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Directionality of "contributors like you" and license on the bottom of the page is assigned according to the page language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39048  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:35:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) when editing an article in the Hebrew Wikipedia, the edit box's direction is LTR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63264 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; ()
[17:35:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:36:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unable to edit on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61872  +comment (10amir.aharoni)
[17:37:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Alter table abuse_filter_log afl_namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63261  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:40:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) timestamp in Hebrew and possibly other languages must support more than singular and plural - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63265 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; ()
[17:48:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10jrobson)
[17:58:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:59:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) edit summary field in an RTL wiki is initially LTR on Android tablet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63266 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; ()
[17:59:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:02:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "last edited" timestamps in the Android seem too old - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63267 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; ()
[18:25:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10Amgine.Saewyc)
[18:31:47] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 if Gloria's around, snerk's still doing the cite error business. I haven't been seeing it happen lately but just now it did again
[18:31:59] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 [14:31] <snerk> Eggdrop is a popular IRC bot and the oldest still in active development.[1][2][3]Cite error: There are  tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist}} template (see the help page).
[18:33:15] <gleki>	 hello. how can i return the name of the current section in a mediawiki page? That should i use? ParserFunctions? Soory im completely a noob.
[18:33:32] <gleki>	 *hello. how can i return the name of the current section in a mediawiki page? What should i use? ParserFunctions? Sorry im completely a noob.
[18:48:54] <Reedy>	 llwy-ar-lawr: Because it's only parsing the first section I bet
[18:48:58] <Reedy>	 gleki: Quick look suggest there isn't
[18:52:45] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 Reedy: but sometimes it shows reference numbers and then doesn't do a cite error. usually in fact. and isn't there a way to make it parse the whole thing or whatever? or does that take too long?
[18:54:26] <Reedy>	 depends on the page
[18:54:35] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 apparently so
[18:54:44] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 what are you thinking of?
[18:54:48] <Reedy>	 parsing New York will take a while
[18:54:58] <Reedy>	 This is an API bug more than a snerk one
[18:55:05] <Reedy>	 just maybe snerk could handle it a bit better
[18:55:21] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 also, maybe it should just strip out any cite error text, because it's probably not useful in most cases
[18:56:06] <Reedy>	 [18:55:04] <Reedy> just maybe snerk could handle it a bit better
[18:56:39] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ?
[18:56:39] * Reedy  kicks Gloria

[18:56:46] <Reedy>	 it being the error
[19:01:23] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 trying to turn off the weird fonts on mediawiki.org...
[19:01:41] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I don't think this is such a hot idea because they may not render correctly on all browsers
[19:01:57] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I'm using a css file because there's apparently nothing in preferences
[19:01:59] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ych
[19:03:44] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 oh ew this is not working at all
[19:04:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Projects tile should link to the list of projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58567  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[19:04:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Projects tile should link to the list of projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58567  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[19:27:25] <biberao>	 hi
[19:27:30] <biberao>	 anyone using parsoid?
[19:38:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) search pageimages feature causes significant extra infrastructure load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63248  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[19:39:21] <Thisismyrofl>	 Hay d00ds
[19:39:38] <biberao>	 yo
[19:39:42] <biberao>	 Thisismyrofl: do you use parsoid?
[19:40:06] <Thisismyrofl>	 I had to google that to find out what that is
[19:40:09] <Thisismyrofl>	 My conclusion is no
[19:40:35] <biberao>	 hehe
[19:40:51] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 hi
[19:41:11] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I think I remember you from some automated message on my wikia talk page, Thisismyrofl
[19:41:20] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 fwiw
[19:42:19] <Thisismyrofl>	 I am an admin of http://community.wikia.com
[19:42:45] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 makes sense
[19:43:04] <Thisismyrofl>	 I wanted to know how one might go about patrolling a page if the only revision on the page is marked as unpatrolled
[19:43:18] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 there should be a link
[19:43:47] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 if you're using a version prior to 1.22, go to the history, find the revision id of the only revision, and add ?rcid=<revisionid> to the url
[19:43:54] <Thisismyrofl>	 On the diff page, right? I can't accessa  diff page if there's but the one revision
[19:44:06] <Thisismyrofl>	 Well that'd be it probably. Wikia runs on ol d
[19:44:13] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 diff page? I thought I said history
[19:44:24] <Thisismyrofl>	 I posted that before I saw the message
[19:44:27] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ok
[19:45:19] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 anyway hope that helps
[19:45:34] <Thisismyrofl>	 http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Yami_Arashi/global.js?oldid=1218801&rcid=1218801 dunno if that's the kind of URL I need to be looking at
[19:45:40] <Thisismyrofl>	 don't see a link
[19:46:18] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 hm.
[19:46:25] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I don't know
[19:46:29] <Thisismyrofl>	 it is the tiniest thing, no matter
[19:46:34] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ttue
[19:46:37] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 *true
[19:47:12] <biberao>	 llwy-ar-lawr: parsoid?
[19:47:22] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I don't have the foggiest what that is
[19:47:26] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I'm sorry
[19:48:25] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 also does anyone know why mediawiki.org suddenly has different fonts and stuff?
[19:48:36] <Thisismyrofl>	 Was wondering myself
[19:49:06] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I've found a way to turn it off, but it involves your common.css file and that seems suboptimal
[19:49:07] <SamB>	 I thought that was supposed to go live in April
[19:49:32] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I read something somewhere but I forget the details
[19:49:42] <SamB>	 hold on, I'll grab you a link from the beta thing elsewhere ...
[19:49:43] <biberao>	 like visual editor requires that parsoid thing
[19:50:05] <SamB>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh
[19:50:11] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ah thanks
[19:50:11] <SamB>	 llwy-ar-lawr: that's the thing
[19:51:14] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 it says 'Note: the change has not yet happened in MediaWiki core, the present time of this document is still in the future as of 2014-03-14'
[19:51:23] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 something has certainly happened
[19:51:32] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 it's happened on mediawiki.org and on the test wikis
[19:51:52] <biberao>	 any of you guys use visual editor?
[19:51:58] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 no
[19:52:06] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I've used it a bit, but not extensively
[19:52:28] <biberao>	 it requires parsoid and i wanted it to run as localhost and on another user
[19:52:44] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 please don't ask me, I have no idea
[19:52:45] <biberao>	 i should make a bash script i guess
[19:52:49] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 sorry...
[19:54:01] <biberao>	 well gtg
[19:54:02] <biberao>	 bye
[19:54:05] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 bye
[19:54:48] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 SamB: think it might help anyone to link to my common.css page, since I've got a thing there for overriding the new style?
[19:54:55] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 or something
[19:59:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Superscripts and subscripts change line height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49965  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:03:42] <Thisismyrofl>	 I had no problem with typography refresh until that day that they went idiotic fixed-width like Wikia
[20:05:35] <SamB>	 Thisismyrofl: they didn't revert that?
[20:05:59] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 Thisismyrofl: but you're a wikia admin so why are you criticising them
[20:06:01] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 or what
[20:06:03] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 argh
[20:06:13] <SamB>	 why wouldn't that be allowed?
[20:06:19] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 er
[20:06:27] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 because I say stupid stuff, that's why
[20:07:25] <Thisismyrofl>	 They did revert it I suppose but I never bothered to switch back
[20:07:48] <Thisismyrofl>	 I like Wikia because it is a large collection of repositories of information; I do not approve of many of the decisions they make
[20:07:57] <SamB>	 llwy-ar-lawr: if you want to provide any information about what you did, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh#Can_I_opt_out_of_changes_to_the_default_fonts.3F looks like the appropriate place to link to it from
[20:08:10] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ok I'll edit that
[20:08:18] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 but I think someone should make it a preferences option
[20:08:32] <Thisismyrofl>	 http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Editcount/Craiglpalmer The CEO of Wikia has like 200 edits ever :/
[20:08:32] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 not everyone wants to fiddle with css...this seems slightly suboptimal
[20:08:40] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 wow weird
[20:09:29] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I used to edit wikia but then I got blocked, and I created a sockpuppet to get around it and did ok things for a while but now I've decided I'm just sick of the whole thing
[20:09:43] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 by 'wikia' I mean the collective sites
[20:10:10] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 and yes I apparently love telling people dumb stuff about my history even though they don't care
[20:10:31] <Thisismyrofl>	 I was listening intently!
[20:10:44] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 :)
[20:12:14] <Lcawte>	 Thisismyrofl: He's "new" ... ish... and besides, is it that common for a CEO to get involved or use the product his company sells/provides
[20:13:04] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 hmm that's true
[20:14:00] <Thisismyrofl>	 Part of me wants to post a cynical retort, the other part is hungry and wants to go get chik fil a
[20:14:03] <Thisismyrofl>	 Good bye
[20:14:34] <Thisismyrofl>	 Oh I knew that guy
[20:17:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[Special:ChangeEmail]] form should be rewritten to use HTMLForm with vform styling and prettier error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56363  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[20:17:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[Special:ChangeEmail]] form should be rewritten to use HTMLForm with vform styling and prettier error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56363  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:17:57] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 Thisismyrofl: I guess you should eat something then
[20:48:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) default=now for datepicker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61363  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:48:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) default=now for datepicker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61363  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[20:49:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[20:50:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924  +comment (10hartman.wiki)
[20:55:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) searchGetNearMatchBeforeHook - incorrect parameter specification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63268 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CirrusSearch; ()
[20:57:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate MwEmbedSupport to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63257  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[20:58:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) version.py crashes on tool labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61846  +comment (10abshirdheere)
[21:07:52] <Thisismyrofl>	 Metamucil is the best thing to have ever happened to me. That is all. Goodbye
[21:09:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate TimedMediaHandler to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63258  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[21:09:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate TimedMediaHandler to use JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63258  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[21:15:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) worker-javascript.js is 404 when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46588  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[21:15:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) worker-javascript.js is 404 when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46588  (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[21:20:11] * SamB  wonders why wikisource keeps losing his session data ...

[21:26:45] <Gloria>	 llwy-ar-lawr: Try Monobook.
[21:26:47] * Gloria  kicks Reedy.

[21:26:56] <Gloria>	 Someone should fix firstparagraph.py to not be so stupid.
[21:30:51] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 Gloria: I'm sorry, why am I trying monobook? to override the skin thing? I've already put together a css opt-out dealy
[21:31:09] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 er, the typography refresh thing
[21:31:19] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 also I put some instructions for using my code on the page
[21:32:15] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Typography_refresh&diff=944120&oldid=942652
[21:32:34] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 also also I think I prefer vector
[21:51:55] <overdrive>	 hi ppl, i have an issue, i was working with a local installed mediawiki for long time, however I decided install phpmyadmin, after that I cannot connect to my local wiki through my browser, i got this message: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost))" 
[21:52:00] <overdrive>	 any idea how to solve that? :-/
[21:52:24] <overdrive>	 looks like phpmyadmin from apt-get screw up some mysql configuration/permissions
[21:54:10] <Kolega2357>	 DEFAULTSORT is not good sorting on sh wiki
[22:01:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) transcode error reporting should truncate long errors. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60562  +comment (10Umang)
[22:09:19] <Gloria>	 llwy-ar-lawr: All right.
[22:09:47] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I'm told the code I put together has wrong elements in it but when I change the font-size to 0.8em it shrinks everything
[22:27:54] <Betacommand>	 !release
[22:27:54] <wm-bot>	 Soon... promise!
[22:28:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10smolensk)
[22:28:17] <Betacommand>	 anyone know when the next release is scheduled?
[22:34:19] <bd808>	 Betacommand: I haven't heard a hard date. There is a vague "May 2014" date listed on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle
[22:34:34] <Betacommand>	 bd808: thanks
[22:34:43] <Betacommand>	 I knew it was soon, just wasnt sure when
[22:35:24] <Betacommand>	 bd808: Im about to suggest a wiki upgrade for a project I work with, and Ill wait for the new stable before making that push
[22:35:39] * bd808  nods

[22:36:02] <bd808>	 We just pushed 1.23wmf20 to the testing servers this week.
[22:36:09] <Betacommand>	 they are back on 1.19
[22:36:11] <bd808>	 s/servers/wikis/
[22:36:34] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 1.19??
[22:37:19] <bd808>	 That is the current LTS (long term stable) release
[22:37:38] <Betacommand>	 llwy-ar-lawr: yeah last LTS release
[22:37:55] <Betacommand>	 1.23 will be the next LTS
[22:38:28] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 oh
[22:38:53] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 so the ones in between aren't LTS?
[22:38:56] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 what are they?
[22:39:18] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I can probably read all this somewhere but I have no idea where
[22:40:20] <Betacommand>	 llwy-ar-lawr: just regular releases
[22:40:25] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ok
[22:40:46] <Betacommand>	 LTSs get fixes and back ports for more issues
[22:41:12] <Betacommand>	 non-LTS get released and forgotten about
[22:41:29] <bd808>	 llwy-ar-lawr: non-LTS releases get security patches for a year
[22:41:40] <bd808>	 LTS for 3 years
[22:41:59] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 ah
[22:42:17] <bd808>	 llwy-ar-lawr: More than you probably wanted to know at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle
[22:44:18] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 thanks
[23:02:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prototype CAPTCHA optimized for multilingual and mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62960  +comment (10federicoleva)
[23:03:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) default=now for datepicker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61363  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:06:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:06:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[23:09:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) default=now for datepicker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61363  (10s7eph4n)
[23:10:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT Call to a member function ... on a non-object at different places - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17553  +comment (10federicoleva)
[23:16:22] <Nemo_bis>	 RickyB98: no :(
[23:24:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Toolbar looks slightly broken if text causes overflow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61230  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:27:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) background-image-svg does not embed correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61941  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:40:08] <Kolega2357>	 Why DEFAULTSORT articles with the letters Ć Š Ž Đ Dž Nj be at the bottom of the categories?0,00 
[23:41:21] <MatmaRex>	 Kolega2357: because you don't have $wgCategoryCollation set to the right value
[23:41:23] <MatmaRex>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCategoryCollation
[23:41:33] <p858snake|l>	 are you using the default category sorting type?
[23:42:31] <MatmaRex>	 Kolega2357: if this is about a Wikimedia wiki, file a request to change it on Bugzilla; follow the way existing ones were done: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20wgCategoryCollation
[23:42:55] <Kolega2357>	 I am not know, problem a long time ago there on sh wikipedia 
[23:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) isBetaFeatureEnabled does not take into account compatibility of skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62897  +comment (10gerritadmin)
[23:44:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) isBetaFeatureEnabled does not take into account compatibility of skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62897  (10Gerrit Notification Bot)
[23:45:23] <Kolega2357>	 MatmaRex How to set $wgCategoryCollation for sh wikipedia ?
[23:46:48] <p858snake|l>	 get community consenus to change it, then file a bugzilla bug for it
[23:48:35] <llwy-ar-lawr>	 I thought that stuff was in CommonSettings.php.
[23:50:53] <Kolega2357>	 <p858snake|l> Does to change default sorting on sh wikipedia ?
[23:59:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser tests for guided tours being delivered by the GettingStarted toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52246  +comment (10swalling)