[00:00:06] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10jrobson) [00:00:12] 03(mod) Image viewer stretches small images. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63553 +comment (10bingle-admin) [00:02:02] (Python tips would also include coverage.py, virtualenv, requests) [00:03:15] fhocutt: I haven't ever given a talk about that, no. [00:03:28] I think that could be interesting on the culture track [00:03:59] we could use more about how to mentor people from underrepresented groups [00:04:17] in a way that is supportive and understands where they're coming from and is not creepy :P [00:04:38] I would go for the Python talk too [00:05:41] * sumanah thinks [00:11:00] fhocutt: I've basically only ever done business/culture talks in the past, with a bit of "cooking" around outreach events [00:11:14] so I sort of want to branch out into more technical talks [00:11:22] sumanah, makes sense [00:11:31] * sumanah thinks some more, will probably submit multiple things [00:11:43] python tricks would totally fit into "cooking" [00:12:02] I also sort of just want to coast on my reputation and say "I promise to show up and say entertaining things. Trust me." [00:12:09] (this would be unfair.) [00:12:35] * fhocutt grins [00:12:55] I didn't do that for AdaCamp, you shouldn't do it here ;) [00:13:31] I think I'm just going to submit the API talk and the leadership one [00:13:42] (once I figure out what's in the API talk) [00:14:01] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link does not get applied after concatenating a text to the existing link and reapplying the link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63386 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:14:15] 03(mod) Styling issues in search overlay - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63246 +comment (10gerritadmin) [00:14:18] 03(mod) Implement redirection to a workflow or a post using a special page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63510 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:14:19] 03(mod) Styling issues in search overlay - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63246 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [00:15:06] fhocutt: That makes sense to me [00:15:12] (those 2 I mean) [00:15:16] right [00:17:02] sumanah, anything on technical writing, now that you're officially doing that? [00:17:07] 03(mod) Flow: Come up with preliminary idea of data mapping for ES - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63492 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:17:34] fhocutt: I'll think about that but I think that might be a 2015 talk [00:21:09] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10vbamba) [00:22:49] 03(mod) Flow: Fix broken tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63479 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:23:09] 03(mod) security review of Flow's templating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63445 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:23:32] 03(mod) Flow: new JS and PHP templating (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63443 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:24:01] 03(mod) Flow query API sometimes returns unnecessary block data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63346 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:29:19] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10mrtnclzd) [00:31:29] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10mrtnclzd) [00:43:00] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Caption field is not appearing for any image in Betalabs and throwing error TypeError: Object # has no method 'initializeSelection' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63554 normal; VisualEditor: Editing Tools; () [00:43:19] 03(mod) Add a README - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63125 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:45:34] 03(mod) Most recently edited topic are not moved to top of page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63160 major->15enhancement (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:45:51] 03(mod) Flow: Viewing a difflink to a deleted Topic gives Error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63247 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:51:39] 03(mod) title card visibility states should not show when no topics exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63092 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:53:01] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10mrtnclzd) [00:53:16] 03(mod) Flow: add "change visibility" button on Special:Contributions for users that can revdel edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63024 +comment (10mpinchuk) [00:54:20] 03(mod) Flow: add "change visibility" button on Special:Contributions for users that can revdel edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63024 (10Maryana Pinchuk) [00:55:34] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link does not get applied after concatenating a text to the existing link and reapplying the link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63386 (10James Forrester) [00:56:55] 03(mod) Typography refresh body type renders incorrectly in Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63512 +comment (10swalling) [01:02:12] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Switch action=opensearch calls to list=prefixsearch where appropriate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63555 enhancement; VisualEditor: Technical Debt; () [01:02:18] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Switch action=opensearch calls to list=prefixsearch where appropriate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63555 (10James Forrester) [01:09:09] 03(mod) GlobalBlocking isn't properly handling conflicting range block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63552 summary; +comment (10Marius Hoch) [01:10:34] 03(NEW) Page issues are not hidden by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63556 normal; MobileFrontend: beta; () [01:10:40] 03(mod) GlobalBlocking isn't properly handling conflicting range block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63552 +comment (10gerritadmin) [01:10:42] 03(mod) GlobalBlocking isn't properly handling conflicting range block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63552 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [01:15:14] 03(mod) Page issues are not hidden by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63556 +comment (10bingle-admin) [01:29:59] 03(mod) Add a README - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63125 (10spage) [01:31:42] fhocutt: I have submitted http://opensourcebridge.org/proposals/1329 [01:35:01] hmm, can I add stuff to the ToC without adding a visible header? [01:35:08] 03(NEW) Delete confirmation on threads generates error when javascript is disabled in browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63557 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; () [01:35:37] 03(mod) Delete confirmation on threads generates error when javascript is disabled in browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63557 +comment (10aditya.iiita102) [03:14:05] [x-post #wikimedia-operations] Hi. I thought you were not going to deploy 1.23wmf21 until the l10n bug was fixed. [03:16:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Missing_interface_messages [03:22:48] :O what's this? bug? http://puu.sh/7Wq7d.png [03:23:07] Revi: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Missing_interface_messages [03:23:12] Revi: !log Going to revert deployment of 1.23wmf21 again - still broken [03:23:21] I already reported it in -operations [03:23:21] seems not reverted [03:23:32] 1.23wmf20 will be there soon enough [03:23:41] that was like a minute ago [03:23:51] not everything is 1 second [03:24:01] ok, clearing cache... [03:24:17] that won't do anything [03:24:23] it is server-side cache, not yours [03:24:27] ah. [03:25:07] Revi: see http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-operations/20140405.txt from [03:13:47] and below [03:25:39] well [03:25:48] I can see without log :P [03:29:47] 03(mod) Install package mwparserfromhell - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63539 (10Tim Landscheidt) [03:58:11] Revi: fixed, see !log andrew rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: Revert mw.org, test2wiki and testwikidatawiki to 1.23wmf20 due to localisation issue [03:58:41] But now we have a couple of edits with the summary :P [05:28:38] 03(mod) Metadata fields are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58078 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [05:28:39] 03(mod) Metadata fields are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58078 +comment (10gerritadmin) [07:09:53] 03(mod) show diffs for sorting changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/57918 +comment (10Aude) [07:18:13] 03(NEW) Not obvious how to move statement group (multiple snaks grouped by same property) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63558 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [07:26:15] 03(NEW) When reordering the first statement, the order is saved incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63559 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [07:51:10] 03(NEW) Confusing how to add qualifiers when adding new statement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63560 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [07:51:24] 03(mod) Confusing how to add qualifiers when adding new statement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63560 +comment (10aude.wiki) [07:53:06] Something's broken? http://i.imgur.com/MOhNNVI.png [07:53:32] 03(NEW) When cancel adding references, it still says "1 source" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63561 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [07:56:16] BPositive: It's working fine for me. [07:56:42] kondi, Uhmm. Were you already logged in? [07:57:03] BPositive: yes [07:57:14] logout and go to mediawiki.org again [07:57:20] 03(mod) When cancel adding references, it still says "1 source" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63561 +comment (10aude.wiki) [07:57:34] 03(mod) When cancel adding references, it still says "1 source" then cancel, reload and source is still there - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63561 summary (10Aude) [07:58:29] BPositive: :\ [07:58:32] re-enter the URL I mean [07:58:45] able to reproduce? [07:58:52] BPositive: yes and yes [08:00:55] kondi, I am filing a bug [08:01:11] does it go under General or "Skin and page rendering" [08:08:19] 03(NEW) it takes a while for "add" another qualifier appears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63562 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:09:06] 03(NEW) Login and Create Account links broken on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [08:10:18] 03(mod) Log entries are difficult to localize; convert old style logs to the new code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24620 summary (10Niklas Laxström) [08:10:18] 03(mod) Update logging for block log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55402 (10Niklas Laxström) [08:10:19] 03(mod) Update logging for page merging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55403 (10Niklas Laxström) [08:10:21] 03(mod) Update logging for import log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/55404 (10Niklas Laxström) [08:10:30] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links broken on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 +comment (10pr4tiklahoti) [08:14:29] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links broken on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 (10Pratik Lahoti) [08:15:21] 03(NEW) Don't visually group property values by property in qualifiers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63564 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:17:39] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Copy wikiEditor's search-and-replace tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48368 +comment (10amir.aharoni) [08:21:04] 03(NEW) [editedit] link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63565 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:22:10] BPositive: I don't have the slightest idea. [08:23:17] 03(NEW) When click edit, the property value disappears from text field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63566 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; () [08:24:07] 03(mod) it takes a while for "add" another qualifier appears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63562 +comment (10Aude) [08:24:32] kondi, I have already reported it. If anyone wishes to change the component, they will : https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63563 [08:30:29] 03(NEW) linking pages on Wikipedia can caused error: $number needs to be a integer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63567 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; () [08:30:37] 03(mod) linking pages on Wikipedia can cause error: $number needs to be a integer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63567 summary (10John Mark Vandenberg) [08:35:11] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links broken on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 +code-update-regression (10p858snake) [08:40:53] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Copy wikiEditor's search-and-replace tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48368 +comment (10Eran Roz) [08:47:39] 03(mod) linking pages on Wikipedia can cause error: $number needs to be a integer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63567 normal->major; +comment (10John Mark Vandenberg) [09:07:08] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [09:40:06] 03(mod) Make ETLZeroData.php work with JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63513 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:40:07] 03(mod) Make ETLZeroData.php work with JSON i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63513 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [09:58:17] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 +comment (10gerritadmin) [09:58:18] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [10:06:50] 03(NEW) KeyError 'query' in checkimages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63568 normal; Pywikibot: General; () [10:11:20] 03(NEW) redirect.py should process CircularRedirect exception silently instead of break the script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63569 normal; Pywikibot: redirect.py; () [10:26:42] 03(mod) enable SSL/https support again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63538 +comment (10gerritadmin) [10:26:44] 03(mod) enable SSL/https support again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63538 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [10:27:17] 03(mod) enable SSL/https support again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63538 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:32:21] 03(mod) mediawiki.util: Deprecate mw.util.$content in favor of mw.hook( 'wikipage.content' ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63466 +comment (10fomafix) [10:32:27] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 +comment (10mal.malego) [10:36:53] 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [10:37:12] 03(mod) Add additional CodeEditor toolbar buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/59924 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [10:42:32] 03(mod) linking pages on Wikipedia can cause error: $number needs to be a integer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63567 major->normal; +comment (10John Mark Vandenberg) [10:51:25] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [10:58:15] 03(mod) Migrate i18n file format to JSON - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63327 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [10:59:29] 03(NEW) UPdate mw-htmlform-tooltip apperance to be similar with this from Extension:Flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63570 normal; MediaWiki: Skin and page rendering; () [11:00:19] 03(mod) UPdate mw-htmlform-tooltip apperance to be similar with this from Extension:Flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63570 +comment (10lukas.cello) [11:00:50] 03(mod) Update .mw-htmlform-tooltip design to be similar with this from Extension:Flow and others - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63570 summary (10Rezonansowy) [11:09:17] thedj: Are you there? [11:10:11] physikerwelt: i am [11:10:46] I have a loiok at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Displaying_a_formula?section=36 [11:10:53] for me the renderin looks fine [11:11:04] (with texvc) [11:11:53] with texvc yes, not with mathjax [11:12:29] ok because the page says works with MathJax but not Texvc for one example [11:13:19] with mathjax half the colors are gone compare with earlier version: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Displaying_a_formula&oldid=598085949#Color [11:13:42] that used to work. i'm sure of it [11:16:16] ok I see, but it's a problem that affets mathjax rendering only [11:16:23] yes [11:17:00] could you alredy solve the issue, or do I need to start to investigate? [11:17:17] i haven't looked at it yet [11:17:39] i'm fighting git with dependencies right now on something else [11:18:30] I wanted to finish the displaystyle issue first [11:18:46] I'm sure the color table worked with mathoid [11:19:04] so thats somehow strange that it has stopped working on the client side [11:20:22] does mathoid use resourceloader ? [11:20:34] no [11:20:44] that's the reason then [11:21:31] probably the file is not defined in RL, and then due to different load structure, mathjax cannot 'autoload' the dependency [11:21:55] what do you mean by the file [11:22:11] the file that contains the color extension [11:25:23] 03(NEW) updateSearchIndexConfig.php hangs forever - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63571 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CirrusSearch; () [11:28:20] damn it [11:28:42] ^^ what's wrong [11:29:01] oh stupid changeset that is confused [11:29:16] i hate gerrit at times [11:29:48] I have estimates that I use at least 30% of the time to manage gerrit git and vagrant [11:30:04] oh shit. [11:30:20] i got a change from one changeset in it's earlier dependency [11:38:36] no wonder.. something changed the topic [11:48:51] 03(mod) [Compact links] With compact-links beta feature, "Featured Article" and "Good Article" tags vanish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62376 +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal) [11:56:35] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:17:20] Hi, I'm trying to clean up a database that has a very large number of spam-user registrations [12:17:47] Was looking at user.user_editcount to find contributors [12:18:12] And at the full xml dump contributions [12:18:58] Unfortunately that's not a match. from xml dump has more names than there's users with an editcount != 0 [12:33:04] 03(mod) Compact-interlanguage link doesn't show up correctly for RTL languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62981 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [12:33:04] 03(mod) Compact-interlanguage link doesn't show up correctly for RTL languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62981 +comment (10gerritadmin) [12:33:28] 03(mod) Compact-interlanguage link doesn't show up correctly for RTL languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62981 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [12:36:11] 03(NEW) Missing info on create new instance notification email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63572 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [12:52:39] 03(mod) Hovercards: cards create accessibility issues (e.g. problems with screen readers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62948 +comment (10psaxena) [12:54:26] 03(mod) Update .mw-htmlform-tooltip design to be similar with this from Extension:Flow and others - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63570 (10Andre Klapper) [13:01:18] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links show raw strings (qqx) on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 -code-update-regression ; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [13:01:57] 03(mod) Delete confirmation on threads generates error when javascript is disabled in browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63557 +comment (10aklapper) [13:02:12] 03(mod) Flow: new JS and PHP templating (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63443 +tracking (10Andre Klapper) [13:02:13] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Andre Klapper) [13:11:49] 03(mod) Hovercards: cards should respect typography of the wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63508 +comment (10Prateek Saxena) [13:11:58] 03(mod) Hovercards: cards create accessibility issues (e.g. problems with screen readers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62948 +comment (10gerritadmin) [13:50:45] 03(mod) Clean up and expand Wikibase page on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63226 +comment (10christopher.johnson) [14:16:24] how can i delete a user from the mediawiki [14:16:29] do i need an extension ? [14:17:33] gischy: there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BlockAndNuke [14:18:50] haha hi Vulpix [14:18:52] thank you [14:19:03] but there is no possibility to do it without an extension? [14:19:26] no, there's no way to do it in core [14:19:48] which is a pain, since it can't be integrated with other extensions [14:22:57] That extension should be merged into core, or at least the basic functionality of deleting a user [14:26:34] 03(mod) Watch rollbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4488 +comment (10duplicatebug) [14:35:07] 03(NEW) http->https rewrite (=prefershttps) also rewrites http search urls for Special:Linksearch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63573 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [14:55:59] hey, is there a list of low-hanging bugs ? [14:56:15] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links show raw strings (qqx) on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 +comment (10pr4tiklahoti) [14:56:17] I thought I'd give a try at solving at least one mediawiki bug.. [14:58:02] !easy | average [14:58:03] average: Bugzilla maintains a list of easy bugs for us, that are considered a good first step for new MediaWiki developers. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=keyword%3Aeasy for the list. [14:58:16] Niharika: thanks ! :) [14:58:23] :) [15:00:57] Niharika: should I branch out of the latest release if I want to solve one ? [15:02:16] average: bugs should be solved always on master. They may be backported to release branches if needed [15:05:03] Vulpix: thank you [15:09:11] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links show raw strings (qqx) on mediawiki.org (no localisation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [15:12:35] 03(mod) Watch rollbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4488 +comment (10jackmcbarn+wmbz) [15:15:03] 03(mod) Login and Create Account links show raw strings (qqx) on mediawiki.org (no localisation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63563 +comment (10Jesús Martínez Novo (Ciencia Al Poder)) [15:20:37] 03(mod) (Config) Enable local STIX fonts for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63016 (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [15:43:34] 03(mod) Make domas' pageviews data available in semi-publicly queryable database format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 +comment (10emw.wiki) [15:46:43] 03(NEW) Color no longer working in MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63574 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math; () [15:47:50] 03(mod) Color no longer working in MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63574 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [15:52:47] 03(mod) Missing info on create new Wikimedia Labs instance notification email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63572 summary (10Andre Klapper) [15:53:38] any idea why I get mixed fonts in one word in article title? [15:54:03] http://oi60.tinypic.com/2vtrx47.jpg [15:54:17] ż is Times, rest is Georgia [15:55:49] lazowik: maybe the primary font is not capable of displaying all characters, and it fallbacks to another on certain characters. But that's weird [15:56:00] it is [15:56:04] (capable) [15:56:20] and I haven't heard about per-word fallbacks :) [15:56:27] me neither [15:56:28] *per-character [15:56:42] 03(mod) MathJax introduces new ways to enter math - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54026 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [15:57:07] oh [15:57:08] wait [15:57:14] it isn't capable [15:57:25] but why per-character then? [15:58:06] because it only replaces those characters by a fallback font that your primary font cannot display I guess. [15:59:13] so it's a feature, not a but? [15:59:14] *g [16:00:15] What will happen when this typography refresh thing is enabled on wikis with non-latin characters? (japanese, chinese, arabic, russian...) [16:04:43] Vulpix: this -> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh#Inconsistent_font_heights_with_Georgia_for_CJK [16:06:20] but this looks like another feature [16:06:29] ok, whatever [16:06:40] thanks [16:09:52] 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186 +comment (10hartman.wiki) [16:12:16] 03(mod) MathJax don't render correctly in TOC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38641 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [16:24:22] 03(NEW) Replication has stopped for s1 and s4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63575 blocker; Wikimedia Labs: Infrastructure; () [16:27:48] 03(mod) Replication has stopped for s1 and s4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63575 +comment (10Phoenixoverride) [16:39:52] 03(mod) Special:SpecialPages lacks margin on headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63426 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:39:53] 03(mod) Small margin between h2 and special page table element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63312 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:40:09] 03(mod) UX: suggest "Compact personal bar" and "Winter" be made a single beta preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63239 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:48:22] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Copy wikiEditor's search-and-replace tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48368 +comment (10he7d3r) [16:54:15] 03(mod) Document Special:PermanentLink in the interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45221 +easy; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:54:23] 03(mod) Document Special:PermanentLink and Special:Diff in the interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45221 summary (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [16:55:03] 03(mod) $wgNamespaceAliases for sh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56169 +comment (10kolega2357) [17:05:54] 03(mod) Merge "Recent changes" and "Watchlist" preferences tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51941 +easy; summary; +comment (10MZMcBride) [17:16:48] 03(mod) User preferences in MediaWiki to be removed (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52807 (10MZMcBride) [17:16:48] 03(mod) Move WikiLove user preference to "Appearance" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52757 summary; +comment (10MZMcBride) [17:16:49] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [17:16:50] 03(mod) $wgNamespaceAliases for sh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56169 +comment (10aklapper) [17:18:53] 03(mod) MathJax doesn't work in LivePreview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36060 +comment (10gerritadmin) [17:18:58] 03(mod) Remove legacy Wikibase\SiteLink class from WikibaseLib - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63527 +comment (10gerritadmin) [17:19:01] 03(mod) MathJax doesn't work in LivePreview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36060 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [17:25:42] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [17:25:43] 03(NEW) Move "Pending changes" ("Edit review" from FlaggedRevs) user preferences into the "Editing" user preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63576 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; () [17:26:15] 03(mod) Native Microsoft SQL Server Support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22093 +comment (10db) [17:32:50] 03(NEW) Move "Email options" user preferences from "User profile" tab to separate "Notifications" tab in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63577 enhancement; MediaWiki: User preferences; () [17:32:51] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [17:56:05] hi [17:57:06] ive seen this wgGroupPermissions['educator']['educator-editor'] [17:57:19] so educator is a group and what is educator-editor? please [17:57:24] an user? [17:58:09] !wg GroupPermissions [17:58:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions [17:58:25] educator-editor is a right [17:59:05] is that a custom right? [17:59:36] Probably part of the EducationProgram extension [17:59:42] oh [17:59:46] never seen such thing [17:59:46] hehe [18:00:18] Its kind of obscure. Its used on wikipedia, but its target audiance is a rather small group of people [18:00:38] ok thanks [18:01:26] so i have to enable those permissions then right [18:02:18] apparently, that right and group is not on enwp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights [18:03:01] maybe they changed it [18:03:02] let me check [18:03:22] I don't see anything for "right-educator-editor" [18:03:43] ill check it where i found it [18:04:01] maybe a custom extension [18:04:43] educator seems to be a group as we saw it [18:06:15] isnt it possible to see where it belongs too? [18:07:03] there are ep- rigths though [18:07:46] from what i can see [18:07:49] its just a group? [18:09:20] educator-editor (educator-editor) [18:12:06] 03(mod) Move "Email options" user preferences from "User profile" tab to separate "Notifications" tab in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63577 (10MZMcBride) [18:12:06] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [18:12:06] 03(NEW) Move Echo's user preferences to "Notifications" core user preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63578 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; () [18:12:40] i have no idea hehe [18:17:10] any other ideas please guys? [18:19:10] biberao: where did you find it? [18:19:12] private wiki? [18:19:29] yup [18:19:41] i got access to the localsettings.php and so on [18:19:47] thats where ive seen that syntax [18:19:49] What does it say in Special:ListGroupRights? [18:20:12] it says educator is a group [18:20:21] you can also do a recursive grep for "educator-editor" if you want to see where the right is used [18:20:26] by the code [18:20:46] ill paste it [18:21:09] before that [18:21:16] content-editor is also a right? [18:21:25] maybe look at [[Special:Version]] [18:21:47] theres no out of the ordinary extension [18:22:44] theres a wgnamespaceprotection called education which got the first educator-content [18:22:56] educator-editor i mean [18:23:16] What wiki is this? [18:23:28] Did you ask the [other] maintainers? [18:23:33] nope [18:24:01] if "educator-editor" is a right name, then somewhere in the code there will be a call to see if $wgUser has that right [18:24:23] and then you can figure out what it does [18:24:26] $wgNamespaceProtection often uses custom or made up right names [18:24:55] ive seen this wggrouppermission educator = user [18:24:56] ah [18:25:07] biberao: does it have $wgNamespaceProtection[...] = "educator-editor" ? [18:25:18] * array ( "educator-editor" ) [18:25:35] I don't think it actually has to be an array (It could be though) [18:26:17] theres one yes [18:26:19] huh: [18:26:27] then it means that editing that namespace is restricted to that right [18:26:42] and the groups which have that right can edit it, others cannot [18:26:51] so i can have custom rights on custom namespaces [18:27:06] very nice [18:27:08] yes [18:27:52] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection [18:28:00] biberao: ^ [18:30:34] thanks [18:30:41] mediawiki is awesome :) [18:37:01] 03(mod) Global JS only loads in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62602 +comment (10MZMcBride) [18:39:31] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [18:39:32] 03(mod) Move or remove EducationProgram "my courses" user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52758 (10MZMcBride) [18:39:32] 03(mod) Hide, move, or remove EducationProgram "did you know" user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52759 (10MZMcBride) [18:40:07] 03(mod) Move or remove EducationProgram "my courses" user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52758 normal->15enhancement; +easy (10MZMcBride) [18:40:25] 03(mod) Remove EducationProgram "did you know" user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52759 +easy; summary (10MZMcBride) [18:44:34] lol, redesign special:preferences <-- Didn't we already do that? [18:44:37] 03(mod) wikimedia.de via HTTPS loads resources over HTTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47653 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:45:02] 03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, footnotes, Cite, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2700 +comment (10gerritadmin) [18:45:50] 03(NEW) QUnit tests for jquery.makeCollapsible often failing on Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63579 major; MediaWiki: JavaScript; () [18:50:38] 03(mod) QUnit tests for jquery.makeCollapsible often failing on Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63579 +comment (10matma.rex) [18:51:46] 03(mod) "category.py move" adds categories from transcluded templates. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58084 +comment (10Amir Ladsgroup) [18:52:41] 03(mod) UnboundLocalError: local variable 'status' referenced before assignment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60068 +comment (10gerritadmin) [19:00:16] 03(mod) Make domas' pageviews data available in semi-publicly queryable database format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 (10mrjohncummings) [19:17:21] 03(mod) http->https rewrite (=prefershttps) also rewrites http search urls for Special:Linksearch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63573 +comment (10Umherirrender) [19:17:40] 03(mod) Move Echo's user preferences to "Notifications" core user preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63578 +easy (10MZMcBride) [19:23:50] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [19:23:50] 03(NEW) Change "Date format" part of "Date and time" user preferences into a drop-down menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63580 enhancement; MediaWiki: User preferences; () [19:27:26] 03(NEW) Move "Time offset" user preference in MediaWiki core to "User profile" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63581 enhancement; MediaWiki: User preferences; () [19:27:28] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [19:34:14] 03(NEW) Move "Date format" user preference in MediaWiki core to "Appearance" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63582 enhancement; MediaWiki: User preferences; () [19:34:15] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [19:34:27] 03(mod) Move "Date format" user preference in MediaWiki core to "Appearance" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63582 (10MZMcBride) [19:34:28] 03(mod) Move "Time offset" user preference in MediaWiki core to "User profile" tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63581 (10MZMcBride) [19:34:28] 03(mod) Change "Date format" part of "Date and time" user preferences into a drop-down menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63580 (10MZMcBride) [19:36:45] 03(mod) [mediawiki.feedback.js] MediaWiki's "feedback" tool fails badly when it can't write to the target page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/49636 (10ganeshaditya1) [19:37:41] hi back [19:38:08] ive seen a wiki with a slideshow on the main page how could i manage to do that? [19:38:46] make it possible to upload pdfs? [19:38:48] that's one way [19:39:46] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 (10MZMcBride) [19:39:46] 03(NEW) Change MediaWiki core user preferences from tabs to stacked collapsible sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63583 enhancement; MediaWiki: User preferences; () [19:39:57] biberao: Do you have a link to the wiki? I could probably tell you how they're doing it [19:39:59] biberao: did you look at the wikitext for tyhat page? [19:42:29] i dont have a login for that site [19:42:34] i can only access through ssh [19:43:42] 03(mod) Change MediaWiki core user preferences from tabs to stacked collapsible sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63583 +comment (10MZMcBride) [19:47:06] biberao: You can always change directory to the maintenance directory, and then run [19:47:08] php getText.php Main_Page [19:48:31] if it's a slideshow, it might be done via JS [19:50:23] i believe so [19:50:30] what will php getTest.php do? [19:50:40] wont damage it right? [19:50:40] :X [19:50:56] [[Manual:getText.php]] [19:50:58] @link [19:50:58] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:getText.php [19:51:13] biberao: ^ [19:51:26] thank you [19:51:35] it mist be js for sure [19:51:42] whats the best way to add js? [19:52:11] --> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript [19:54:15] biberao: if you ran getText.php, you have the wikitext [19:54:24] do you see anything that looks like a slideshow? [19:54:57] You could try https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Javascript_Slideshow or something if you can't figure it out [19:56:56] i will try it [19:57:01] asking for permission [19:58:43] 03(mod) User rights on promotion are unlogged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58748 +comment (10Siebrand Mazeland) [19:59:49] 03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, footnotes, Cite, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2700 (10Jesús Martínez Novo (Ciencia Al Poder)) [20:01:32] going to test when i get home thanks [20:05:21] is it possible to add specific extensions for namespaces? [20:06:35] biberao: what do you mean? [20:06:49] not usually. Unless the extension specifically supports it [20:06:54] ah ok [20:07:02] i was reading about the preloader extension [20:07:03] You can add extensions, you can add namespaces. Some extensions add namespaces. [20:07:10] I do not understand the question. [20:07:24] and some dude was having a problem in one of the namespaces with the extension [20:07:56] so i just remembered if we could assign special templates for a namespace [20:11:24] 03(mod) updateSearchIndexConfig.php hangs forever - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63571 +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [20:12:31] bbl [20:12:34] thanks guys [20:17:25] i have login problem . I have updated to the last mediawiki version. cookie is created in tmp dir. but http error code 403 in apache and site say my cookie are not enabled. Can i post my debug output here? [20:17:50] thomashasnoidea: it would be better to use a pastebin if it is more than three lines [20:20:14] 03(mod) Change "Date format" part of "Date and time" user preferences into a drop-down menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63580 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [20:20:59] 03(mod) Move "Email options" user preferences from "User profile" tab to separate "Notifications" tab in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63577 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [20:22:53] 03(mod) Allow "go" search feature to reach messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60570 +comment (10siebrand) [20:23:29] ok i have wrote the debug output to pastebin.com thomasmediawiki [20:23:44] thomashasnoidea: share the URL [20:23:53] http://pastebin.com/S9U9186u [20:24:29] thomashasnoidea: Where are you getting a 403 from? [20:24:46] in my apache log [20:25:06] how does github mw work? can I pull request there instead of messing with gerrit? [20:25:26] how is it synced though with gerrit [20:25:51] 03(mod) Rename SpecialRedirectToSpecial class to something that doesn't imply being a working special page (it's an abstract class) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58215 +comment (10gerritadmin) [20:26:05] 03(mod) Rename SpecialRedirectToSpecial class to something that doesn't imply being a working special page (it's an abstract class) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58215 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [20:26:21] petan: yuvipanda used to operate a bot that does the syncing [20:26:30] ok [20:26:40] so it is possible to work both way? [20:26:55] I mean on gerrit as well as github [20:27:02] petan: you can also use the gerrit patch uploader to move github pull reqs to gerrit changesets, but that's one-way only [20:27:07] * bawolff doesn't really know how the bot worked [20:27:17] yuvi's bot was doing some limited syncing iirc [20:27:22] MatmaRex: I am more interested in using github only [20:27:46] that's not possible right now, i'm afraid [20:27:51] thomashasnoidea: For what page though, is the POST to Spezial:Anmelden returning 403, or something else [20:28:22] petan: But why wouldn't you want to use the usability utopia that is gerrit? [20:28:22] I avoid gerrit wherever I can, despite I like it's philosophy, I think the idea is perfect, just somehow I find it difficult and annoying to work with it [20:28:22] petan: you can use http://tools.wmflabs.org/gerrit-patch-uploader/ to not have to touch command-line gerrit tools [20:28:45] maybe it's just the wmf configuration which makes me hate it, like puppet, I did hate it on labs, but since I started using on my own servers I love it [20:28:45] (you'd still read and write comments on the changeset, but use that to push new patches) [20:29:06] petan: nah, I'm pretty sure its gerrit you're not liking [20:29:22] maybe not [20:29:44] when I read about gerrit how it works and what is it meant to do, I actually think it's brilliant way of working with git [20:30:10] just... it's somewhat complicated, either the interface or out configuration is a mess, it's just horribly complicated to work with it [20:30:34] personally i think that both the premise and the implementation are broken beyond repair :P [20:30:36] I actually came to the conclusion the other day, that gerrit is essentially the same work flow as accepting patches through bugzilla, just with a few things automated [20:30:52] maybe the primary reason I don't like it is that I can't configure it myself like repositories in github [20:31:06] What sort of configuration would you want to configure? [20:31:18] I alwas need to ask someone or wait for someone and that's annoyinh, that's why I use github myself for projects like huggle or wm-bot [20:31:32] bawolff: for instance, basic configuration I would like is... [20:31:37] creating new repositories myself? :P [20:32:05] on github it's matter of 10 seconds to make a repo [20:32:06] oh yes + a billion. The lack of being able to do that is one of my least favourite things about the switch from svn [20:32:36] other thing I like on github is I can configure webhooks myself, like irc bots etc [20:32:44] here I need to beg someone to set up a irc bot for me [20:33:01] gerrit /could/ have these options for normal people, not just sysadmind [20:33:33] Well setting up commit hooks is probably something most repos not owned by you are going to prevent you from doing [20:33:56] yes, I meant repo owners should be able to do that [20:34:21] Its of course entirely possible to set something up yourself using gerrits stream-events api, but that's a pain [20:34:38] Well depending on what type of hook you're talking about, I don't know about that [20:34:57] I wouldn't want repo owners being able to execute arbitrary code on the git server using a hook [20:35:27] another thing that is annoying is that you can't directly just commit and push using native git workflow, you need to use that git-review python wrapper instead or you need level 200 git skills to do that yourself :PP [20:35:34] bawolff: that's not how webhooks work [20:35:52] webhooks are triggering something, eg. opening a webpage sending some POST data on push [20:35:59] so that you can hook to that push event [20:36:22] you create a PHP script and git server will just "remotelly" trigger it for you [20:36:29] Ok, that sounds a lot safer then executing random code :) [20:36:30] by opening the URL / link you give it [20:36:59] Still I could kind of see why somebody might not want repo owners to be able to set that up [20:37:16] I believe it's totally save, github is used by millions [20:37:23] well, thousands :P [20:38:04] github has a lot of resources to dedicate to making sure there's no loop holes in code like that, and quickly respond if something bad happens [20:38:09] I think people should collect somewhere "why I hate gerrit" so that gerrit devs and local devs can fix it :P [20:41:02] petan: git-review is essentially a wrapper for "git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/master", where 'gerrit' is the remote git-review creates (you can usually use 'origin' instead), 'HEAD' means the commit you are looking at right now (checked out), 'refs/for/' is Gerrit magic and 'master' is the name of branch you want to push to [20:41:38] (it also does a whole lot of checks to prevent you from doing some stupid things, like adding a new commit instead of amending) [20:42:20] as for pulling from gerrit, you'd just copy the commands from the "Download" box on each changeset [20:42:44] Of course, half the download box links are incorrect :P [20:43:07] sometimes i feel that the abstraction git-review provides is not really worth learning another tool [20:43:11] bawolff: hm, how so? [20:43:43] Also, I think being able to memorize git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/master is what petan meant by being a level 200 git master :P [20:44:28] Oh hmm, maybe they fixed the download links [20:44:36] A while back it had incorrect urls [20:45:51] bawolff: it's just a step above the "git push origin master" that every githubber learns [20:46:05] but so many colons, and /'s [20:46:20] the download commands have always worked for me, as far as i remember [20:46:26] and without git review, what's going to go and change my topic to something other then what I want it to be [20:54:19] it's more complex, you also need to have hooks preinstalled and if you commit before having them you are fucked up [20:55:00] I never end up having to rm -rf my git repository, clone again and redo my patches like I often do on gerrit using github [20:55:24] 03(NEW) API responds with "mediatype": "VIDEO" for an audio file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63584 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [20:55:46] 03(NEW) Allow user to associate Persona sign in email to an existing account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63585 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Persona; () [21:00:29] I'm pretty sure that no matter what the problem was, there was an easier solution then rm -rf [21:00:46] 03(mod) Allow user to associate Persona sign in email to an existing account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63585 +comment (10gerritadmin) [21:00:46] 03(mod) Allow user to associate Persona sign in email to an existing account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63585 (10Gerrit Notification Bot) [21:04:04] Nemo_bis: around? [21:04:18] 03(mod) File pages with upload versions but no page revisions (revision #0 does not exist) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40178 summary; +comment (10Marco) [21:04:28] Nemo_bis: shouldn't https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Helppage be an optional message? and, shouldn't we nuke all of https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Helppage/ either way? [21:09:22] Nemo_bis: (ah, it is optional, i was looking at old version somehow; so, just the second question stays) [21:12:09] 03(mod) File pages with upload versions but no page revisions (revision #0 does not exist) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40178 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:12:11] 03(mod) Descriptionless files (Missing page_latest referential integrity issue) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32551 +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [21:14:44] 03(mod) Allow user to associate Persona sign in email to an existing account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63585 +comment (10gerritadmin) [21:17:36] 03(mod) Change "Date format" part of "Date and time" user preferences into a drop-down menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63580 +comment (10b) [21:18:18] There is a discussion going on at WP:VPT regarding the new typeface which has basically boiled down to it's ugly/broken vs stfu and like it. I'm in the hate it camp, but don't expect it to change. FWIW: Next time you're contemplating a major change to the default skin, the right way to do it is a banner giving users a chance to preview it, not burying it in some discussion at MW.org then ambushing the 6th busiest site on the web. The typeface ch [21:18:36] ange is done, fine, but please consider a widely advertised preview in the future. [21:19:07] 03(mod) Redesign Special:Preferences (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62559 +comment (10b) [21:19:08] RobertLabrie: I'd point out that people are already complaining we use banners too much [21:20:12] bawolff, I would complain about the banners less if they were inserted server side, instead of post render resulting in a delayed layout change :). I compare to YouTube and SouthParkStudios both of which have lengthy opt-in betas before pushing a major change [21:20:24] RobertLabrie: it was on Watchlist notice [21:20:26] and Signpost [21:20:28] and Tech News [21:20:46] 03(mod) Change MediaWiki core user preferences layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63583 summary; +comment (10MZMcBride) [21:20:52] I'd also point out enwikipedia can make its own banners too [21:20:53] all great for WP regulars who login, have a watchlist, and read signpost [21:21:06] RobertLabrie: they tell me it has actually been available in the Beta tab of the preferences for 6 months [21:21:21] look, I'm not hating on some obviously well intentioned and carefully considered changes, just that they just sort of appeared out of nowhere [21:22:35] RobertLabrie: this is probably not the best place to complain since i'm pretty sure none of the people who might lurk here on a saturday were involved in the change [21:22:50] RobertLabrie: Yes of course, just keep in mind we are being told that we spam people too much, and not enough, at the same time. Its hard to do both [21:23:31] You can use custom CSS to override it (mostly) [21:23:45] although people without accounts cannot, unfortunately [21:23:46] huh, I did, but I have to login for it to take effect [21:24:10] huh: well, they could, with stylish or so [21:24:11] gadgets, CSS hacks, signpost, watchlist, beta tab, all those items are for WP regulars who are logged in [21:24:36] but obviously that only applies to regulars who just don't like being logged in for whatever reason ... [21:24:44] the wiki is configured only access with username/pass for all sites. the 403 return the start site - i hope i have understand your question correct [21:25:19] Go to SouthParkStudios.com, some popup says classic or beta, you pick one, it sets a cookie, if you hate it you click "I hate it". Just kick it around for the next major look and feel change [21:25:22] RobertLabrie: I'm not the biggest fan of the new fonts [21:25:40] but it was announced (although the way it was announced was only visible to regulars) [21:26:25] RobertLabrie: You know English Wikipedia is having a discussion about going back to old typography? [21:26:49] RobertLabrie: btw, there are comments from the other side of the barricade, too. http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028615/the-beautiful-wikipedia-design-that-almost-was [21:26:52] huh: I hear that worked out well on dewiki :P [21:26:58] : [21:27:01] :P [21:27:08] bawolff: I think CN for this would not have hurt necessarily [21:27:13] huh, yes, at WP:VPT [21:27:36] since it is a major redesign [21:28:52] huh: perhaps. I can't think of a time where we used central notice for a tech change, other then site downtime/read only [21:29:06] (for those who don't know CN=CentralNotice=banner. SiteNotice=banner on one wiki) [21:29:32] bawolff: not even for monobook->Vector? [21:29:46] oh hmm, I don't remember what happened there [21:30:36] RobertLabrie: but also what MatmaRex said - keep in mind that all three of us are volunteer developers, you probably want to direct your complaints more at either the design team or growth team [21:30:49] and perhaps their managers [21:31:09] RobertLabrie: probably the people who posted the various notices would be good targets ;) [21:31:46] huh: All I remember about vector rollout was "OMG where is the search bar" [21:32:35] bawolff, MatmaRex, understand totally, and I'm certainly not here to denigrate anyone. #wikipedia suggested I come here [21:32:57] 37.82.21.35 - - [05/Apr/2014:22:14:30 +0200] "POST /index.php HTTP/1.0" 403 511 "http://wiki.XXXXXXX.de/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&action=submitlogin&type=login" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0 [21:33:05] would #wikimedia be a better target? I don't want to suggest that my lone voice from the wilderness should be deserving of any special attention [21:33:36] thomashasnoidea: hm? [21:34:56] RobertLabrie: maybe design mailing list [21:35:01] RobertLabrie: this being weekend, probably no irc channel is a good target right now [21:35:01] * bawolff doesn't actually know [21:35:20] RobertLabrie: i suggest email or relevant talk pages [21:35:37] thomashasnoidea: So you can't log in because your web server is giving 403s - sounds like you need to change configuration of your server [21:35:47] bawolff: do you think anyone would have objected to having a translated CentralNotice banner for logged-in+anon for a day or two about it? [21:35:53] 03(mod) AJAX validation of username for password reset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/56025 (10Jackmcbarn) [21:36:03] huh: honestly probably not [21:36:08] Yeah, I agree [21:36:25] ok, fair enough. There is already a good thread going at en WP:VPT, so maybe I'll start a new subsection there suggesting a "Central Notice" for user impacting tech changes [21:36:39] although CN is not something enwiki controls :P [21:36:39] And the more I think about it, a "click to enable the beta feature" for a couple days before hand, probably would have stopped much of the shock [21:36:47] Yeah [21:37:07] RobertLabrie: maybe you would be interested in some of the stuff at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors [21:37:30] The changes should definitely be announced, but even if they are, people will get angry about them [21:37:37] However, I wouldn't want banners to be used for most tech changes, just the sort of once in 2 years majorly user visible changes [21:37:54] Agreed. [21:38:06] For everything else, there's Tech News and mailing lists. [21:38:13] bawolff, right. You don't need a banner for hey, now we can use lua for templates [21:38:51] yeah, just for they "hey, this change is probably going to stir up an angry mob" [21:39:12] yo [21:39:13] im back [21:39:17] Hello biberao [21:39:22] any of you uses flashmp3? [21:39:23] Which given that there was a 200 email flame war about it long before anyone started telling users - probably should of been a given [21:39:25] Did you figure out the slideshow? [21:39:27] hm [21:39:42] huh: not yet sorry [21:39:45] You mean https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlashMP3? [21:39:47] the guy left [21:39:49] huh: yes [21:40:22] or you advise any other similar extension? [21:40:22] 03(mod) Change "Date format" part of "Date and time" user preferences into a drop-down menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63580 +comment (10matma.rex) [21:40:22] some are outdated [21:40:22] not sure [21:40:48] there are a lot of extensions in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Audio_player_extensions [21:42:30] cool [21:42:31] thanks [21:42:43] biberao: did you try FlashMP3? [21:42:48] huh: nope i havent [21:42:59] it was on the list to install it [21:43:10] but it hasnt been updated for 2 years [21:43:37] RobertLabrie: you could probably comment on design-l or the mw.org talkpage if you have comments specific to that change (or try #wikimedia-design #wikimedia-growth (?) #wikimedia-tech ) [21:45:14] biberao: FlashMP3 looks kind of crappy [21:45:38] huh: hehe [21:45:41] oops badon [21:45:46] bawolff: i mean [21:45:57] bawolff: well, the code is on the page [21:45:57] what about this survey extension [21:46:01] i cant find any similar [21:46:19] biberao: I would recomend Mp3Handler over flashmp3, because at least that one integrates with media handler properly [21:46:19] oh wait it was updated [21:46:23] What survey extension? [21:46:30] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Survey [21:46:52] its been updated on git [21:46:53] (I haven't used either, but Mp3Handler was written by somebody who I know knows what they are doing) [21:47:01] oh JeroenDeDauw [21:47:22] thats a famous dude? [21:47:40] Well, he's in this channel and he created that extension [21:47:53] (Survey) [21:48:14] ya [21:48:37] And he's a long term mediawiki contributor [21:48:50] :) [21:48:57] huh, bawolff, MatmaRex thanks for your feedback and guidance. Genuinely appreciated. [21:48:58] thanks jeroen [21:49:13] RobertLabrie: do you have more comments/questions ? [21:49:31] Glad to help, good luck [21:50:06] huh not on this item, I'm going to read the tech ambassador page a bit, and see where else I can plant the seed of "use wide notification of visibily impacting tech changes", which happen rarely enough [21:50:37] huh: and bawolff Vulpix and SamB thanks too [21:50:37] :) [21:50:48] biberao: no problem, happy to help [21:51:23] im going to try your command [21:51:25] RobertLabrie: WMF also has "community liaisons" who are supposed to keep the communities under control notified [21:51:39] lol, nice strike out [21:52:18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdennis_(WMF)/Job_description#Job_summary apparently [21:53:24] RobertLabrie: You may want to talk to Guillom to, he's a wmf employee who does lots of the technical notifications (He's a really nice guy. Generally he pushes for transparency and notification, and is generally "part of the solution") [21:53:33] huh: it has this #REDIRECT [[Special:Home] [21:54:25] huh: All the community liaisons are really nice people, but I've always found the idea of it slightly creepy [21:54:29] its javascript that page thingy [21:54:45] biberao: what wiki is this? [21:54:52] bawolff thanks, I think a note on his talk page is probably a good way to start [21:54:59] You should be able to find the code in SpecialHome.php or something [21:55:05] maybe it's an extension [21:55:15] huh: you want the link? [21:55:22] if it's public [21:55:32] huh: Also the whole liaison thing means that developers are even more separate from the actual users, which I don't think is a good thing [21:55:40] but I guess it allows them to concentrate on their work [21:56:00] huh: wheres that file located? [21:56:07] I don't know [21:56:17] biberao: does it have any wacky extensions? [21:56:25] also, FWIW, I'm a huge fan of MW. I've deployed 3 at my current (soon to be previous) employer, and intend to drop one off within weeks of starting at my new one. It's a great project to hack on, and the technical support I get from a largely volunteer community is outstanding. Please keep it up! [21:56:39] bawolff: Guillom is very nice [21:56:51] He is [21:56:57] and really helps communicate between developers and the communities [21:57:06] (as part of his job description too https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Technical_Communications_Manager ) [21:57:16] huh: it has one private extension [21:57:26] And he also is one of the two main writers of Tech News ... [21:57:28] MatmaRex: we don't nuke but fuzzy in such cases; I'm not sure if Raymond handled core yet, better ask him [21:57:30] and theres also a file called AdminSettings.php [21:57:44] that it has the db user and so on [21:58:40] biberao: Woo, we haven't used that since like 1.17 [21:58:42] i dont know even know where does it include [21:58:48] its 1.17 i believe [21:59:00] we're working on an upgrade [21:59:06] MediaWiki 1.17.0 (r97732) [21:59:26] biberao: AdminSettings.php gets included by the Maintinance class when running some scripts (like update.php) [21:59:36] oh nice [21:59:43] i cant find SpecialHome uuhuh [21:59:57] Generally people don't use it. The idea is you can have different passwords for mediawiki generally, and one for upgrade operations [21:59:58] biberao: is it in includes ? [22:01:08] biberao: try using grep [22:01:37] huh: its not [22:02:24] biberao: try adding ?uselang=qqx to the Special:Home url [22:02:39] do you see any message names that would indicate where it comes from? [22:03:48] nothing happens [22:04:23] and you can't find it via grep or other searching at all? [22:04:37] Nemo_bis: for optional messages as well? [22:04:42] im going to use grep [22:07:29] anyone could provide me an example of grep? [22:08:04] grep -R 'SpecialHome' . [22:08:12] (note the period is important) [22:08:16] assuming in main directory for wiki [22:08:33] ya im there [22:08:39] also you might want to use -iR if you want case insensitive [22:08:41] what scares me is if its using . to search root [22:08:49] biberao: it's just search [22:08:58] dot searches current directory. / is root [22:09:04] ok [22:09:09] since its taking some time [22:09:09] .X [22:09:17] that old rhel will die [22:09:29] biberao: if they doesn't work, try searching for Special:Home or something :/ [22:09:46] You might just want to contact the maintainers of the site or use another extension if you can't find it [22:10:03] Or perhaps just 'Home' but that might have some false positives [22:10:04] well i can search for Special:Home inside a file [22:10:20] bawolff: +1, good idea but FPs [22:10:24] its taking a lot of time [22:10:39] but featured pictures? [22:10:48] biberao: you can suspend or kill it if you want [22:11:09] You did put . right? [22:11:11] ya [22:11:34] oh false positives [22:11:41] mind didn't connect there [22:12:54] sorry [22:14:23] i have there an ajax.js that sends to special:home [22:14:51] Could be Special:Home isn't actually a page at all, but done entirely in js or something [22:15:14] ive checked the code [22:15:20] it doesnt specify much [22:16:30] biberao: is the wiki public? [22:17:11] yes it is [22:17:25] but i gotta ask my boss if i can share details for help [22:17:26] ok? [22:17:29] tomorrow or monday [22:17:36] thanks for all your help [22:17:37] guys [22:18:40] very much :) [22:19:29] no problem [22:21:45] 03(mod) Ridiculous amount of CSS rules for external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54604 +comment (10gerritadmin) [22:23:00] 03(mod) Allow user to associate Persona sign in email to an existing account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63585 +comment (10gerritadmin) [22:24:28] 03(mod) Allow "go" search feature to reach messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60570 +comment (10federicoleva) [22:28:35] RobertLabrie: if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask [22:30:39] MatmaRex: deletion in itself doesn't do anything [22:38:31] 03(mod) False positives for MEDIATYPE_VIDEO due to looking for string theora in (audio) ogg files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63584 summary; +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) [22:39:43] ugh, stupid git hash auto-linker screwing up my comment [23:00:08] 03(mod) moving a page with suppressredirect produces misleading message "A redirect has been created" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45348 +comment (10Kronf) [23:35:27] 03(NEW) Special characters menu defaults to open in wikitext editor, despite being closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63586 minor; MediaWiki: Page editing; () [23:49:30] 03(mod) Reconsider the usage of the "Beta features" section in the Editing tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28555 +comment (10gerritadmin) [23:49:31] 03(mod) Reconsider the usage of the "Beta features" section in the Editing tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28555 (10Gerrit Notification Bot)