[00:00:54] [00:42:02] god, Antonin Scalia is full of shit [00:55:08] LadyMaryDeathVag: Uhhh... [00:55:11] Off-topic much [01:10:03] LadyMaryDeathVag: About what? [01:10:33] Gloria: Oh god don't feed the trolls. [01:10:47] No calling people trolls. [01:11:21] There have been a number of substantial cases lately. [01:12:01] Prado Navarette v. California, Schuette v. BAMN, and a few more today, I think. [01:12:09] I think there was a 6–2 today about the EPA. [01:13:29] Substantial maybe but not really germane in #mediawiki. [01:14:28] <^demon|away> Well with the bots all gone the channel's boring now. Gotta do something to pass the time. [01:15:33] marktraceur: Off-topic chat is allowed in here as long as it doesn't interfere with real questions. [01:15:47] Plus, exactly what ^demon said. [01:20:53] Hi ! [01:22:40] Hi Dranna. [01:23:17] I don't know if i'm on the right place, but, coming from the website, i'm actually looking for some help about MediaWiki ... [01:23:31] <^demon|away> You are indeed in the right place. What's up? [01:23:37] Just ask your question. :-) [01:24:13] In fact, i try to make a collapsible table, but it seems that i'm wrong somewhere [01:24:29] Which version of MediaWiki do you have? [01:24:39] Collapsible tables require additional JavaScript on your wiki. [01:24:49] But that JavaScript is included in newer versions of MediaWiki, I believe. [01:24:52] 1.18.1 [01:25:03] Yeah, you'll need the JavaScript. Have you copied it over? [01:25:06] I added the code on my Common.js and .css but nothing ... [01:25:08] It's on mediawiki.org somewhere. [01:25:15] Can you provide a link to your wiki? [01:25:17] Is it public? [01:25:36] I think so http://www.esperia-rp.net/wiki/index.php/Bienvenue_%C3%A0_la_biblioth%C3%A8que_publique_d%27Esperia [01:26:59] So, i tried to add the code on the common pages (both js and css) by copy-pasting it on the page, but neither collapsible nor navframes are working :/ [01:28:24] Yup, the code on this page [01:28:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements [01:28:50] I tested it on previsualitation on our sandbox but nothing [01:29:17] Oh, you found that page. Nice. [01:29:28] Let me look. [01:29:43] Yes, sorry. [01:30:26] Dranna: Are you familiar with your Web browser's JavaScript error console? [01:30:32] You have two errors in there. [01:30:44] not really familiar but i can try, where are they ? [01:30:53] http://www.esperia-rp.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bienvenue_à_la_bibliothèque_publique_d%27Esperia also doesn't seem to be using class="collapsible" or whatever. [01:31:20] Dranna: It's usually available in a menu in the browser. [01:31:35] "Error Console" or "JavaScript Error Console" or something. [01:31:50] Yes, none of our pages use the collapsible at the moment, i test it on the sandbox [01:31:57] > TypeError: 'undefined' is not a function (evaluating 'mw.hook('wikipage.content')') [01:32:07] > TypeError: 'undefined' is not an object (evaluating '$.client.profile') [01:32:11] Those are the two errors I see. [01:32:20] > mw.hook('wikipage.content').add(createNavigationBarToggleButton); [01:32:22] Yes, i see them [01:32:39] And > var profile = $.client.profile(); [01:32:57] It's possible that the JavaScript code you're using is too recent or too new for your version of MediaWiki. [01:33:19] Zut ... [01:33:41] Does the manual say which versions of MediaWiki are supported? [01:33:57] > This module is in MediaWiki core by default as of MediaWiki 1.18 and higher. [01:34:03] Don't you have 1.18.1? [01:34:07] The strangest thing is that this page says that the module oh, you found it [01:34:13] yes, we are on 1.181 [01:34:18] 1.18.1* [01:34:38] http://www.esperia-rp.net/wiki/index.php/Spécial:Version [01:34:39] Yes. [01:34:48] Dranna: Try removing that code to make the JavaScript errors go away. [01:35:03] I added if after trying without [01:35:05] but i will [01:35:15] Just the JS. [01:35:21] The CSS can stay for now. [01:35:28] But I think you may already have the necessary code. [01:35:33] The manual says you should... [01:35:44] Pretty skin, by the way. :-) [01:36:03] Where is the sandbox? [01:37:03] http://www.esperia-rp.net/wiki/index.php/HRP:Bac_%C3%A0_sable [01:37:35] Still not working [01:38:09] * Gloria looks. [01:39:34] You still have a JavaScript error. [01:40:12] I see it, profile [01:40:21] Yeah. [01:40:50] But i don't know what it is or how to resolve it [01:41:23] Did you install your own version of jQuery? [01:41:48] I am not the one who installed the wiki [01:42:00] Okay. [01:42:21] I'd recommend getting a clear error console and trying again. [01:42:31] You may want to upgrade MediaWiki. [01:42:40] But that's a bigger project. [01:42:46] Getting collapsing working shouldn't be too difficult. [01:43:00] But I think any errors will potentially block execution of that code, maybe? [01:43:07] It also seems like your sidebar kind of flashes at me. [01:43:12] Not sure what that's about. [01:43:30] I dunno, it seems to be on a user thing. The sidebar is flashing ? What do you mean ? [01:43:43] It appears for a moment and then disappears. [01:43:54] Ah, it seems it collapses. [01:44:28] When you click on the arrow, you can hide it [02:00:36] No ... I can't fix it, but i don't see why it would affect the collapsible [02:11:40] Now, who else should I ping... [02:11:56] Oh, Yaron. [02:12:02] [02:12:08] Huh, what? [02:12:24] Wikifarm extensions released? [02:13:11] [02:13:13] Ah, not yet... it's been on my to-do list for an extremely long time (like, a year), but I really am planning to get to it soon. [02:14:06] There. All better. [02:14:11] The big things I was working on (my book, and Semantic Bundle) are now both done. [02:14:21] Wow, amazing. :) [02:14:28] [02:15:23] I've actually been asked to consult on wikifarmage, which is silly, but your e-mail sounded very interesting. [02:16:05] "which is silly" is ambiguous. [02:16:44] Really? I never would have guessed. [02:17:34] BTW Yaron, there was a coder at Berlin 2012 from Norway who had a db configuration extension for wikifarm management. [02:17:46] Sumanah introduced me, but I've forgotten his name. [02:17:48] How do you add an ssh key for gerrit and crap? [02:17:52] Alright. [02:18:10] I know I'm probably asking in the wrong place, but I've completely lost track of this mess of channels. [02:18:30] * Gloria pets Amgine. [02:18:40] Isarra: Did you generate a public key and private key pair? [02:18:45] Aye. [02:18:58] I just have no idea where to put the public key. [02:18:59] If so, go to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org and somewhere under user preferences you can add your public key. [02:19:04] Actually. [02:19:11] It may be https://wikitech.wikimedia.org [02:19:22] There's surely documentation about this... [02:19:32] ^demon: ^ [02:19:51] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Tutorial#Set_Up_SSH_Keys_in_Gerrit [02:19:56] Read that. ^ [02:20:15] nothing gives me feels quite like Call the Midwife feels [02:20:36] That tutorial is a bit rough. [02:20:42] It mixes command syntax a bunch. [02:20:47] Ah. Didn't even think to look on mw.org, and wt (which was where it was when I last did it) had nothing. >.< [02:20:51] And include inline comments and shit. [02:21:03] We're good at hiding things. [02:22:19] We need more abbreviations, acronyms, jargon... [02:22:41] Why are there no links to special:novakey on wikitech? >.> [02:23:02] And thank you, strange person. [02:23:32] I did not find the soluce, anyway, Gloria, thanks for your help [02:23:43] Dranna: One day you will! [02:23:55] I still recommend upgrading MediaWiki. [02:24:26] ++Gloria; [02:24:26] At least to the latest 1.18.X series. [02:24:26] If not 1.22. [02:24:26] Héhé, i don't even know how to upgrade it [02:24:59] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading <- read [02:25:15] Okay, i will, thanks, our dev just ... vanished [02:25:26] Poof. [02:25:42] ooo, ouch. Been there. It's actually pretty easy to upgrade, but DO BACKUPS! you will thank me later. [02:26:18] [02:26:40] Anyway, it's 4 am and i'll sleep, bye and thanks again [04:02:01] Heya, I am running a local media wiki through ampps and stumbled upon "VisualEditor" only the installation bit gets a tiny bit confusing for me at the Parsoid bit. [04:04:18] #mediawiki-parsoid [04:04:27] i should go there right? :P [09:01:49] Is it possible to load and render external mw markup (posted on github or gist etc)? [13:06:55] Joelmo: Can you explain that question a little bit more? It's possible to transclude from an external source wiki (but dangerous): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding [13:10:44] Amgine: That was what i wanted, its ok i will just use this wiki [13:10:54] thanks! [13:11:00] You're welcome. [13:11:20] Anyone knows what the foundations plans are for moving away from PHP 5.3? [13:12:18] Joelmo: Remember to prune your interwiki, to avoid the risk of an editor transcluding from sites you do not wish to allow. [13:13:34] it was all set to false, or transclusion from others were disabled [13:15:29] Joelmo: once $wgEnableScaryTranscluding=true;, then an editor can transclude content from *any* site in your database's interwiki table. [13:17:10] JeroenDeDauw: It's 0615 in WMF HQ Land. [13:17:33] Amgine: not according to the documentation, see : Both $wgEnableScaryTranscluding and the iw_trans bit in the interwiki table must be set for this to be enabled. so the iw_trans bit also needs to be set [13:18:10] Remember scary transclusion is scary. [13:18:23] Good then that we have staff all over the globe :) [13:18:35] MediaWiki has no staff. [13:18:49] I could repeat it in #wikimedia-dev if that comforts you [13:18:50] Ah! I didn't see that. Well, I would still prune the interwiki table to just those sites you really need to have interwiki links to. [13:19:07] Yeah, first thing I do on a new install. Purge interwiki [13:19:19] [13:19:21] Extension:Interwiki might make it easier if you'd rather not go into the db [13:19:22] Sane defaults? Pffffft. [13:19:39] Think i will do that too, was some questionable urls like "zzz.wiki.ee" [13:20:02] Yeah, and the zz one seems to be hard to remove via the extension. At least last I tried. [13:20:08] Something about it contianing a space instead of an underscore. [13:20:10] Amgine: crazy people, why is it 0615 there? [13:20:25] Pacific Standard Time. [13:20:38] [13:20:48] Aren't we in PDT again? [13:21:15] oh, yah, whatever. [13:21:42] stupid messing with my sleep patterns. [13:22:19] Krinkle: do you have any idea about WMF plans for php version requirements? [13:22:30] I do not. [13:22:41] #wikimedia-operations / wikitech-l might [13:22:46] I think we're not going to [13:22:48] There was a recent discussion. [13:22:51] instead we're going to focus on hhvm [13:22:55] which is based on php 5.4 [13:22:57] We already have PHP version requirements. [13:22:58] (currently) [13:23:24] You need 5.2.X already, I think. Probably 5.3 soon. [13:23:49] Luckily MW is no longer that far behind [13:23:52] Tim says it's probably best if MediaWiki continues to work on Wikimedia servers. [13:24:02] no! [13:24:13] Yes, it's a controversial view, I realize. [13:24:29] Clearly he has no idea what he is talking about [13:24:43] [13:30:24] hello [13:30:46] Hi! [13:31:07] do you own a wiki server? [13:31:42] hello everyone i want to contribute to mediawiki but i am not sure is this the right channel to ask my doubts.please help me.thankx in advance [13:34:38] hello everyone [13:34:53] Hello zealfire_alok [13:34:58] how would you like to contribute [13:35:01] Just a second, finishing a task. [13:36:38] well i am new to this have just read all the tutorials provided in [gerrit] page.Is my approach correct? [13:36:41] Withoutaname: Yes, I have a couple of wiki servers, primarily for my personal use. [13:37:51] do you think you could use it to help me test code? [13:37:55] zealfire_alok: Yep! that's the right starting point. Also, join #wikimedia-dev and ask if Qgil or Sumanah are around to point you in various directions: they are volunteer organizers. [13:38:42] Withoutaname: I don't think I could, but there *is* a WMF project which helps people hack on Mediawiki. [13:38:46] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute [13:38:49] Mmm, no... [13:39:16] thank you @Amgine for providing me with right guidance.Will definetly join [13:39:17] no I'm afraid running my own server might be too costly [13:40:19] I've already written the code, I just need to check for syntax errors and server load [13:40:34] Withoutaname: Actually, WMF has a system created which allows you to create a temporary Mediawiki server-and-instance on your own machine. Unfortunately, I don't know how to use it yet. [13:41:01] The benefit is specifically to help people who want to hack on mediawiki, test code, but *not* run a server. [13:41:25] Amgine Withoutaname this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant [13:41:57] Yep! that! [13:42:21] Its pretty simple to setup and very useful for Withoutaname's case [13:43:32] i'll think about it, but i'm still concerned about bandwith and hdd bloat [13:44:18] Legitimate concerns, but it is a one-time cost for bandwidth. I don't know how large it is on disk. [13:44:50] * prtksxna checks [13:45:18] Withoutaname: < GB [13:45:27] thnx [13:45:28] Withoutaname: ~800MB [13:57:54] I'm seeing Special:NewPages entries classified based on the status of the page as of the timestamp, not the latest revision. Is it intentional? [13:58:50] For example, if a page created in User space and then moved to the main space, it's classified as into User space. [14:00:11] <^demon|away> Known bug I think. [14:03:23] anyone have a good guide to follow for ldap auth? ive never had any problems getting ldap auth to work on a product. when i follow the extension configuration on the wiki, i get no errors in any of my logs, and a blank page, disable the module, reload apache, site works again [14:03:31] ^demon|away: Thanks, will be searching in bugzilla. [14:03:38] i've been googling, and the information seems to so wildly varied [14:04:08] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication/AD_Configuration_Examples <-- what a i followed, single domain, using search (samaccount) with a bind (proxy) in use. [14:31:07] Can a BZ admin please move https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13006 to "spam"? [14:31:39] you need an actual admin to do that? [14:32:53] Already marked invalid. [14:41:15] what the heck is this Phabricator thing [14:41:53] somehow libpr0n sounds more professional than that [14:49:15] I need to check my website's session for a user ID, but when UserLoadFromSession is called, the MW session is already started ... what is the best way to do this? [14:52:20] darkangel: I think you need to slow down and explain what you're trying to do better [14:52:44] I think so [14:52:59] I saw more entries under "Spam" product, "spam" component [14:53:06] SamB: I want to log a user into MW if they are currently logged into my website. [14:53:13] it's so I could filter when searching through old bugs [14:53:24] in "advanced search" queries [14:54:15] SamB: I have an Auth plug-in that allows them to login via the MW login form, but I want them to be logged in automatically via my website's session. [14:55:08] SamB: UserLoadFromSession seems appropriate, but I need to start my own session in order to access the user ID stored in it. [14:55:44] SamB: But MW's session is already started there ... idk if I'm supposed to end it, do my thing, and restart it, or something. [15:06:44] hi there. we have some issues using campaigns in the uploadwizard extension [15:07:04] every time we try to create a page in the campaign namespace, we get "Call to undefined method WikitextContent::getJsonData()" [15:07:36] we're using a campaign from WLM on Commons, there are different JSON related errors when we try to create minimal campaigns [15:07:44] only thing that seems to be working is to create an empty file [15:07:52] empty page, that is [15:10:08] After successfully installing mediwiki, I confirmed that my username exists in the user table. However, when I try to log-in it says that the user does not exist. I am puzzled. [15:21:49] ravigehlot: did you use the exact same upper/lowercase pattern? [15:22:12] projektlabor: what pattern? [15:22:21] csteipp: Hi, are you a MW dev? [15:22:48] projektlabor: bingo [15:22:54] it worked. thanks [15:22:56] ravigehlot: what i mean is: if you're username is MediaWiki and you try to log in as mediawiki, this won't work [15:23:04] ravigehlot: great, glad that i could help [15:23:24] thanks [15:28:32] I have a project which uses a bot (crawler) for some round checks. Where do I have to put this bot in tool-labs (my repo)? [15:34:18] projektlabor: Hi! I'm reading your question now, sec [15:36:24] marktraceur: thanks. i just filed a bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64660 [15:36:36] marktraceur: you can find the full error messages in there [15:38:34] 'kay [15:38:39] I suspect it's a missing dependency [15:39:05] marktraceur: that is our guess as well, but we couldn't find any hints in the source code or documentation [15:39:09] projektlabor: Have you installed https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EventLogging ? [15:39:30] marktraceur: no, but we could do this right now [15:39:47] 'kay [15:40:26] I blame YuviPanda [15:41:18] marktraceur: what do we do after we've installed the extension? [15:42:24] projektlabor: Try again! :) [15:42:27] ok [15:42:53] marktraceur: that fixed it [15:43:13] marktraceur: will you add this to the documentation and close the bug? or can we add it ourselves? [15:46:14] projektlabor: You can add it, someone will need to review your change [15:46:22] But I'm telling Yuvi he's an idiot in a different channel. :) [15:46:29] marktraceur: OK, we'll do this [15:46:56] marktraceur: thanks a lot, we've been trying for hours to get it running ;-) [15:47:03] *nod* [15:50:31] projektlabor: Yuvi says he fixed it :) [15:50:49] marktraceur: ok, great! [15:51:26] are you BZ admin? [15:51:33] !ask | Withoutaname [15:51:33] Withoutaname: Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :) [15:51:51] [07:31] Withoutaname Can a BZ admin please move https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13006 to "spam"? [15:52:02] thnx [15:58:15] marktraceur: I'm assuming it needs a bugzilla admin to move because I can't seem to change the "product" field myself to 'spam' [16:00:00] Withoutaname: Is there a product named spam? I can't see one. [16:00:50] marktraceur: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?component=Spam&list_id=310711&product=Spam&query_format=advanced [16:01:24] Weird. [16:01:28] Well I can't touch that [16:01:41] I'll tell andre__ next time he's around, but I dunno when that will be [16:02:14] The engineering community folks are humorously inconsistent about being on IRC. :P [16:05:37] marktraceur: Andre__ works from Germany, right? He's probably having/preparing dinner, then. [16:06:22] valhallasw: qgil and sumanah are also not present [16:06:46] guillom: Do you hav BZ admin rights? [16:10:46] marktraceur: nope, sorry [16:11:53] marktraceur: valhallasw; andre is usually on IRC but he's in India this month [16:14:11] guillom: Ah. [16:14:12] Hiya, curious what editor extension http://en.wikipedia.org uses [16:15:05] Also, is there an easier way to edit wiki pages? kinda like a live editor. where you see your page and edit it live. [16:15:33] i looked into VisualEditor but i found the installation to be confusing. [16:17:58] oh found it i think [16:18:00] LovingitMuch: en.wikipedia uses VisualEditor. [16:18:18] LovingitMuch: there are some initial studies for an in-line editor, but nothing ready for production. [16:25:25] the page i was one was using Extension:WikiEditor [16:25:37] i kinda want visualeditor to work on my local mediawiki [16:25:54] but i dont know if its save when its not stable etc [16:26:37] btw it says wikieditor is bundled above 1.18. but i cant see where i can activate it. [16:26:47] valhallasw [16:27:15] LovingitMuch: I have no clue -- I have never installed it. [16:27:44] also, WikiEditor is not VisualEditor [16:28:00] yeh i know [16:28:09] im just trying to make my local wiki more user friendly [16:28:25] like... ive beeen so many apps to organize my work, and my projects. [16:28:39] maybe somebody here has good ideas about organizing files. [16:28:44] visually aswel [16:29:01] - i tried OneNote, its pretty fun but its stored in cloud. i dont want that. [16:29:14] also tried Evernote. But its to weak feature wise. [16:29:26] So i thought about using mediawiki. but mediawiki takes long to edit things. and you cant drag and drop images. [17:49:11] hi getting "l10n_cache seems to be corrupted" -- what should i do? thanks in advance [17:53:59] what is an i10n cache vs i18n cache? do i have something misspelled? [17:56:25] hypergrove: I'm not sure, but even though l10n and i18n are technically different things (localization vs internationalization), they are often used interchangeably [17:57:42] hypergrove: based on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:L10n_cache_table , I think you should be able to just clear the table; the error might also just go away when corrupted values are replaced by correct values [18:10:44] valhallasw, thank you much for your reply [19:07:49] hi [19:08:00] can I set more if functions for one parameter? [19:09:02] So I have been asked to set up multiple wikis on the same instance. What is the simplest method of going about this? I want the wiki's to be seperate, and accessed on different urls. [19:09:49] I see farm extensions but that looks like management of already set up multi tenancy installations. [19:11:30] akio: so install them to different subdomains at least [19:12:29] than think about the same or different database [19:13:56] different database [19:14:15] the subdomains would point to the same box [19:18:48] akio: what you mean same box? [19:24:53] same ip address [19:24:55] same webserver [19:25:09] basically there are two teams that need a wiki [19:26:52] akio: well, I think youll find the way than [19:29:30] What are the default values for "smaxage" and "maxage" on WMF wikis? Is it supperfluous to add "&smaxage=21600&maxage=86400" to raw js URLs? [19:29:36] is there a way to include more images at the same time? [19:30:36] yeah looks like a php script in the locla settings file that reads the url request and picks the right settings [20:25:53] https://twitter.com/OccupyWallStNYC/status/461598775048671232 [21:05:37] LadyMaryDeathVag: Please stop posting random off-topic things in this channel. [21:10:46] <^d> Channel's boring. [21:10:50] <^d> Need the entertainment. [21:11:08] ^d: I'm sure we can come up with interesting things to say. [21:11:18] Things that aren't random political statements [21:11:28] <^d> I doubt it. We're a boring lot. [21:12:00] Well, alternatively the channel will just have to be boring then. [21:12:18] <^d> Could bring the bots back. [21:12:20] <^d> That was fun [21:13:13] Hi, i have a table for sorting contacts. class="wikitable sortable" [21:13:23] I would like to know thoug how i can add elements inside where i can expand each contact [21:13:32] i would like to be able to Sort + Expand certain people. [21:13:57] but only the contacts that i have extra info on. [21:14:56] Tried lots of combinations. wondering if its possible. [21:17:25] :) [21:17:41] marktraceur: you're the only one who seems to be bothered by it, which means I don't care [21:17:41] these only collapse everything - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Collapsing#Sortable_tables [21:18:06] LadyMaryDeathVag: This really isn't a channel for that sort of thing, though. [21:18:28] There are a lot of social or political channels on freenode [21:18:31] This is not one of them [21:19:00] again, no one else seems to care [21:19:07] so regardless of what this channel is ostensibly "for" [21:19:09] it doesn't matter [21:19:40] /topic LadyMaryDeathVag's variety and ranting radio show with your special guest ^d the dancing monkey. [21:19:40] you'd have a valid point if it were interrupting or disrupting ongoing discussions [21:19:49] because what it's "for" should perhaps get priority [21:19:56] -- I have an on topic question [21:19:57] but that's plainly not the case [21:20:19] <^d> LadyMaryDeathVag: Ok, now you're just being a dick to marktraceur. He's actually right, this isn't the place for it. [21:20:29] <^d> The fact that I wasn't bothered was mostly to troll him, but now you are bothering me. [21:20:32] <^d> Cut it out. [21:20:35] Is my text even comming through? :P [21:20:42] LovingitMuch: Yeah, sec [21:20:59] LovingitMuch: Can you pastebin the table wikitext you're playing with? [21:21:35] yop! [21:24:16] http://pastebin.com/KjCbdhTG [21:25:13] LovingitMuch: So the idea is that one of the columns is usually not visible but can be shown if toggled? [21:25:19] exactly! [21:25:21] extra info could be like [21:25:25] a whole document. [21:25:30] so i dont want it cluttering the neat table. [21:25:44] LovingitMuch: Do you want the entire column toggled, or only one cell at a time? [21:26:32] colspanned [21:26:38] like from left to right underneath it [21:26:39] I don't know what that means. [21:26:42] pushing the people unerneath away [21:26:52] spread from left to right [21:27:07] its called Colspan in mediawiki right? [21:27:14] I mean, it's called colspan in HTML [21:27:20] But I don't know why that's applicable here [21:27:34] cause the new table needs to expand underneath the other 5 [21:27:38] so that its easy to read [21:27:47] its like a note under each name that you can expand. [21:27:48] :) [21:27:58] "new table" doesn't make any sense. There's only one table in the example you gave me. [21:28:04] sorry [21:28:07] um how to say. [21:28:16] you have vertical [21:28:20] john [21:28:29] america [21:28:33] male [21:28:37]