[00:18:37] <enfcer>	 Anyone know at the bottom of an IP page the box where the whois and other links are what that mediawiki namespace item is called.  The tool server has changed, and it hasnt been update on simple yet and I am trying to find it to update it
[00:22:37] <enfcer>	 Nevermind I found it
[01:42:14] <cj>	 hey folks
[01:42:26] <cj>	 how do I use html markup in <pre> elements?
[01:42:40] <cj>	 I note that none of my <b> or <i> tags are getting evaluated
[01:43:41] <cj>	 ah, I see.  prefix the text with two spaces instead seems to work.
[09:15:12] <Reedy>	 !blankpage
[09:15:12] <wm-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[09:44:47] <ireas>	 hi there. I can’t edit Flow talk pages on mediawiki.org.  If I try to add a topic, I get: ‘An error occurred while contacting the server.’
[09:51:11] <Reedy>	 Hmmm
[09:51:23] <Reedy>	 I'm not sure who's even about from flow
[09:57:44] <ireas>	 I’d like to give some feedback regarding the compact personal bar, but the talk page does not work.  are there alternatives?
[13:37:29] <kishanio>	 Hello
[15:11:00] <kishanio>	 Hello im trying to get started with the wikimedia dev. so far i got gerrit & mediawiki-vagrant on local
[15:11:08] <kishanio>	 now reading through the workflows
[15:11:48] <kishanio>	 im a-bit newbie to overall opensource apart from using it. 
[15:22:21] <marktraceur>	 kishanio: Hi! Feel free to ask us any questions you may have :)
[15:23:28] <kishanio>	 marktraceur: Thanks. So im reading through code conventions right now. Where do you think i need start esp. on which project? 
[15:23:49] <marktraceur>	 kishanio: You can start wherever you'd like!
[15:25:33] <kishanio>	 marktraceur: Alright. 
[15:25:46] <kishanio>	 marktraceur: there are so many of them lol
[15:25:48] <sumanah>	 JeroenDeDauw: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Performance_guidelines#How_to_think_about_performance
[15:25:57] <Vulpix>	 kishanio: you can start fixing small and easy bugs to get familiarized with the code
[15:26:04] <sumanah>	 JeroenDeDauw: that page also links to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Performance_profiling_for_Wikimedia_code which is the HOWTO I mentioned
[15:27:31] <kishanio>	 Vulpix: im going through gerrit right now. is this ideal? Or should i watch bugzilla
[15:29:14] <Vulpix>	 kishanio: look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs
[15:29:25] <marktraceur>	 kishanio: Gerrit is the list of changes that are currently already written and waiting for review
[15:30:40] <kishanio>	 Vulpix: Ah awesome. thanks. 
[15:32:28] <kishanio>	 marktraceur: oh yes. im reading the code-diff  and trying to pick up the conventions
[15:33:00] <Vulpix>	 there's also a page about conventions
[15:33:20] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions
[15:33:27] * sumanah  presumes someone has already linked kishanio to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker 

[15:34:52] <kishanio>	 Vulpix: yes generic ones. 
[15:35:09] <kishanio>	 sumanah: yes that was the one of the first pages i read. 
[15:35:17] <sumanah>	 I figured as much. :) Welcome kishanio 
[15:36:52] <kishanio>	 sumanah: i read your name somewhere in dev sections that you use to grant dev access
[15:37:06] <kishanio>	 before automated registrations
[15:37:14] <sumanah>	 Yes!
[15:37:25] <sumanah>	 I did that particular bit of tedious work and am glad computers do it now. :-)
[15:40:33] <kishanio>	 sumanah: Ah oka. 
[15:48:40] <ebraminio>	 "Compact personal bar" I like it! But needs some tweak for RTL
[15:52:38] <ebraminio>	 Anyone want to fix its bugs so I would help?
[15:53:11] <Reedy>	 What are the bugs?
[15:53:48] <ebraminio>	 Reedy: On "Compact personal bar" for RTL, just needs some minor tweaks
[15:53:53] <Reedy>	 Which are?
[15:55:47] <ebraminio>	 On #p-personal #pt-flyout > div a { background-size: 24px 24px; }
[15:56:43] <ebraminio>	 Reedy: this should rewritten with percentage so CSSJanus could take care of making it look good for RTL
[15:57:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 sumanah: what I often see go wrong with regard to performance is people sacreficing design for performance and then hurting performance because of the bad design without realizing it
[15:58:09] <sumanah>	 OK
[15:58:10] <ebraminio>	 Reedy: in fact it needs " background-position: 0%; "
[15:58:17] <JeroenDeDauw>	 sumanah: managing dependencies, and generally minimizing them, is a very general design goal that is important there
[15:58:53] <ebraminio>	 Reedy: there are more if you interested
[15:59:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 sumanah: for instance, if I want to write a console script to do something, and I use the Jobs stuff from MediaWiki, a whole load of MW stuff gets initialized, which is very silly if thats not needed
[15:59:43] <sumanah>	 JeroenDeDauw: When you say "Jobs stuff" is this the same as the job queue, or something different?
[16:00:11] <sumanah>	 This sounds like the intersection of performance +  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_guidelines 
[16:01:17] * Vulpix  remembers that now the on-request job queue opens a new internal request to load another MediaWiki instance just to run jobs... and it was done "for performance"

[16:01:42] <Reedy>	 ebraminio: It might be easier opening a bug and listing all the issues
[16:03:14] <ebraminio>	 Reedy: Okay :) I thought someone would be interested to quick fix it
[16:03:37] <Reedy>	 You'd need to find the right guys...
[16:07:29] <JeroenDeDauw>	 sumanah: wrong label... the maintenance stuff
[16:15:16] <sauce>	 hey i just installed mediawiki 1.22.5 but I can't figure out how to use syntax highlighting, it supposedly comes pre-bundled with "SyntaxHighlight GeSHi" extension (reference: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21#Bundled_extensions) 
[16:15:56] <MartijnH>	 happy hackathon everybody!
[16:17:27] <Vulpix>	 sauce: have you tried the syntax provided on the extension's page?
[16:18:01] <sauce>	 oh yes i have, it doesn't parse on my vanilla mediawiki install though
[16:20:13] <Vulpix>	 sauce: ah, well, it's "bundled", but not activated by default. On install, you have to enable it, or add it manually to LocalSettings.php
[16:20:46] <sauce>	 oh ok cool, i can handle that.  how do i "enable it" without going to LocalSettings.php?
[16:21:34] <sauce>	 i probably begin here, correct?: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi#Step_2:_Installation
[16:21:35] <sumanah>	 Thanks MartijnH!
[16:21:43] <Vulpix>	 yes
[16:22:16] <sumanah>	 JeroenDeDauw: I think what you're saying falls a little bit under YAGNI
[16:22:37] <sumanah>	 which I need to strengthen on the arch guidelines page
[16:22:38] <sumanah>	 thank you
[16:23:25] <sauce>	 thanks Vulpix, that worked! i added one line to LocalSettings.php
[16:24:15] <sumanah>	 Thanks all
[16:30:03] <Vulpix>	 yw :)
[17:10:09] <JuJuBee>	 I inherited a wiki server and know little about them.  I seem to be unable to upload an image file to the server so I can attach it to a page.  Please help.
[17:10:38] <Reedy>	 Do you get an error?
[17:10:46] <JuJuBee>	 Looks like using 1.16.2
[17:11:09] <JuJuBee>	 Reedy, no error on page, the progress indicator simply keeps spinning...
[17:13:40] <JuJuBee>	 Looking at LocalSettings.php, I see   $wgEnableUploads       = true;
[17:14:21] <Reedy>	 If it's just spinning, chances are it's a JS type error
[17:14:27] <Reedy>	 Check your browser console
[17:17:05] <JuJuBee>	 Ah, see that it looks for connectors dir in FCKeditor and that does not seem to exist.
[17:18:32] <JuJuBee>	 This is a 404 error...  wiki/extensions/FCKeditor/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/connectors/php/upload.php?Type=Image but the connectors dir is missing
[17:18:42] <Reedy>	 FCKeditor sucks
[17:19:09] <JuJuBee>	 Suggestions?
[17:19:28] <Reedy>	 try visiting Special:Upload
[17:19:47] <Vulpix>	 ^
[17:20:16] <Krenair>	 1.16.2 is very obsolete
[17:20:36] <JuJuBee>	 Will images uploaded form there be  available for users to insert later?
[17:20:45] <Reedy>	 Yup
[17:20:54] <Reedy>	 Immediately available
[17:22:09] <JuJuBee>	 Thanks.  SO if I want to create a link on the site for logged in users, how do I go about that?
[17:23:53] <JuJuBee>	 Tried to upload a file and get an error telling me the mime type does not match the extension...
[17:26:29] <Vulpix>	 JuJuBee: be sure that the image has the correct extension. Some programs do weird things like saving BMP files with .png extensions and such
[17:27:40] <JuJuBee>	 I opened in gimp and re-exported it and it works now.  Thanks.
[17:28:51] <JuJuBee>	 When adding the image, is it possible to browser the images?  what if an image was uploaded a while ago and I don't remember the name?  How do I search
[17:29:31] <Vulpix>	 Go to Special:NewFiles
[17:30:20] <Vulpix>	 or look at your contributions, there's a link to the files you've uploaded (on recent versions, not in 1.16)
[17:35:31] <JuJuBee>	 I will upgrade when I have some time.  First I have to get the server up to date... running ubuntu 13.04.
[17:36:04] <JuJuBee>	 Ill be  back when I am ready to upgrade.  Is there an upgrade mechanism built in to MW?
[17:36:20] <Vulpix>	 !upgrade
[17:36:21] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[17:37:01] <Vulpix>	 no built-in. 1) Perform backup, 2) copy new files, 3) run update script
[17:37:07] <JuJuBee>	 Thanks.
[18:01:52] <Vulpix>	 !db page_props
[18:01:53] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:page_props_table
[21:01:52] <biberao>	 hi
[21:03:08] <biberao>	 when i add a File:
[21:03:17] <biberao>	 on page
[21:03:28] <biberao>	 where does it usually pick the images?
[21:38:22] <Chiyo>	 hey there, whats the text you can add to the end of a url to see where the text was generated from?
[23:22:37] <Gloria>	 Hi Chiyo.
[23:22:49] <Chiyo>	 hello Gloria :)
[23:23:08] <Gloria>	 "add to the end of a URL" sounds like a query string.
[23:23:09] <Gloria>	 Or URL parameter.
[23:23:20] <Gloria>	 Such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=history
[23:23:47] <Gloria>	 The "?action=history" part is a URL parameter and its value. It's part of the query string.
[23:24:04] <Chiyo>	 yea it's like that, but it turns things to (SomeMediawikiPage)
[23:24:17] <Gloria>	 Oh.
[23:24:21] <Gloria>	 I think you want ?uselang=qqx
[23:24:46] <Gloria>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_exit_interview/Sue_Gardner&diff=8463673&oldid=8456218&uselang=qqx
[23:24:57] <Chiyo>	 thats the one, thanks :)
[23:25:06] <Gloria>	 No problem.
[23:25:50] <Chiyo>	 out of interest, what is it called? as I couldn't remember qqx
[23:26:06] <Gloria>	 It's a hack, is what it is.
[23:26:14] <Gloria>	 "qqx" is a made-up language code.
[23:26:22] <Chiyo>	 ahh :P
[23:26:25] <Gloria>	 "uselang" is a means of changing the interface language.
[23:26:32] <Gloria>	 Like it would typically be ?uselang=de for German.
[23:26:46] <Chiyo>	 I mean if you were searching mediawiki for it
[23:26:59] <Gloria>	 qqx or uselang, probably.
[23:27:04] <Gloria>	 It's an obscure feature. :-)
[23:27:16] <Chiyo>	 right :)
[23:27:19] <Gloria>	 It doesn't have any user interface exposure, I don't think.
[23:27:35] <Gloria>	 I used to get qqx and qxx confused.
[23:28:13] <Chiyo>	 ah :P