[00:01:32] <sumanah>	 Go forth fhocutt 
[00:01:40] <sumanah>	 in your usual, decisive, diligent, intelligent way
[00:02:10] * fhocutt  exits in a dignified manner, followed by cats, no bear in sight

[00:02:16] * sumanah  laughs aloud

[00:02:38] <cscott>	 sumanah: where/when is wiki conference USA?
[00:03:26] <cscott>	 i only go to conferences that lilatretikov attends. ;-p
[00:03:50] <sumanah>	 cscott: NYC, May 30-June 1
[00:04:12] <PiRSquared>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_USA
[00:04:18] <cscott>	 that's soon!
[00:05:47] <Meiko>	 I wish I could go
[00:06:04] <Meiko>	 it's just too much of a busy week for me to make it
[00:06:13] <sumanah>	 Meiko: even for one half-day?
[00:06:28] <Meiko>	 yeah, I'm in Virginia so I'd have to take the train which would consume more time
[00:06:41] * bawolff  contemplating going

[00:06:58] <Meiko>	 Is it going to be in NYC every year? If so I'll make it in 2015 unless some urgent matter comes up
[00:07:00] <bawolff>	 hotels in new york are appearently quite expensive if you don't plan far in advanced
[00:07:18] <Meiko>	 bawolff: Yeah, they're extremely expensive
[00:07:42] <sumanah>	 Meiko: well, this is the first year they are doing it, so I do not know whether it will be annual
[00:07:48] <Meiko>	 bawolff: At least all the ones I've stayed at, all of which were at Times Square, so that could have had something to do with it
[00:07:50] <sumanah>	 maybe it will only be in years when Wikimania is not in North America
[00:07:53] <sumanah>	 hostels work
[00:08:07] <Meiko>	 Does NYC even have hostels?
[00:08:15] <sumanah>	 yes
[00:08:16] <Meiko>	 I've honestly never seen a hostel in the US. :o
[00:08:23] <sumanah>	 hostels exist in nearly every city in the US
[00:08:27] <bawolff>	 I've never stayed at a hostel before
[00:08:37] <sumanah>	 I stayed at a hostel in Zurich and it was nice
[00:08:39] <Meiko>	 I've seen them in Germany
[00:08:50] <sumanah>	 guillom stayed at one in Los Angeles
[00:08:56] <Meiko>	 I guess motels are kind of the equivalent of a hostel
[00:09:25] <sumanah>	 https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/New_york_city#Sleep mentions hostels
[00:09:29] <Meiko>	 I can't believe I wasn't involved in Wikimedia a few years ago because I missed Wikimania in DC.
[00:09:40] <sumanah>	 "There are several hostels in Manhattan including two Jazz Hostels (located at 36 West 106th Street and 184 Eleventh Avenue) and one official Hostelling International hostel (located at 891 Amsterdam Avenue--between 102nd and 103rd Streets--in Manhattan)"
[00:09:44] <Meiko>	 I'm like an hour out of DC so i'd have gone
[00:09:51] <fhocutt>	 that is where they are putting up the scholarship attendees
[00:09:55] <harej>	 Hi! I can answer questions about WikiConference USA
[00:10:11] <Meiko>	 harej: Is it going to be in NYC in 2015?
[00:10:27] <harej>	 WikiConference USA will be in NYC this year (i.e., next weekend). I don't know where it will be next year.
[00:10:43] <Meiko>	 Technically if it's anywhere on the east coast I can go
[00:10:52] <harej>	 As far as hostels go, our main choice Hostelling International has filled up but Jazz (mentioned by Sumanah above) is our alternate that I've booked some people in.
[00:11:14] <sumanah>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASFIC is a scifi convention that happens in North America "scheduled only during years where the Worldcon is being held outside of the North American continent." I would suggest that Wikimedia NYC & Wikimedia DC consider this idea :)
[00:14:58] <sumanah>	 Meiko: <harej> As far as hostels go, our main choice Hostelling International has filled up but Jazz (mentioned by Sumanah above) is our alternate that I've booked some people in.
[00:15:09] <Meiko>	 I saw that :P
[00:15:45] <sumanah>	 sorry
[00:15:50] <sumanah>	 I saw you disconnected, wasn't sure.
[00:16:02] <Meiko>	 it's fine mate
[00:16:47] <Meiko>	 I have parallel monitors so sometimes when I press Ctrl+W it'll close an IRC connection instead of a chrome tab, since I never check which window I have focused :P
[00:16:52] <sumanah>	 harej: what is the situation with registration? is WCA full?
[00:17:51] <harej>	 Situation with registration is that there's a waitlist but Richard just sent an email blast to people not attending to drop their registrations to clear some room on the registration list.
[00:18:00] <sumanah>	 ok
[00:20:42] <sumanah>	 harej: do you know how many people are on the waitlist now?
[00:20:55] <sumanah>	 I'm trying to get a feel for whether I should tell people "go ahead sign up on the waitlist" etc
[00:27:05] <harej>	 sumanah: A not insignificant number, I believe, but we're making plans to up attendance. People can register with the hopes of getting in!
[00:28:09] <sumanah>	 cool
[00:29:36] <sumanah>	 harej: "We have plans to record the major sessions for the conference. More details soon. " - so, just the keynotes?
[00:29:48] <harej>	 Probably. (Of which you're one!)
[00:29:53] <sumanah>	 Yes!
[00:30:13] <harej>	 Forgive me if I'm not more conversant on the conference logistics—I'm a good 200 miles away, running the scholarship program!
[00:32:07] <sumanah>	 harej: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-May/076635.html I've posted about WCA to the wikitech-l list
[00:32:36] * harej  wonders how WikiConference USA gets abbreviated "WCA," the abbreviation of the defunct Wikimedia Chapters Association.

[00:32:51] <sumanah>	 sorry
[00:33:05] <sumanah>	 "WCU" to me sounds like a Marvel superteam of crimefighters
[00:33:08] <cscott>	 World Cube Association
[00:34:05] <cscott>	 sumanah: bug me about wikiconference USA next week.  i'm still in SFO, i need to get back home and see how the household is doing before i decide whether i can abandon them the weekend after next.
[00:34:21] <sumanah>	 cscott: I cannot promise to bug you
[00:34:26] <sumanah>	 you may wish to set a cron job
[00:35:29] <cscott>	 sumanah: my wife has some cloud-based cron service she uses.  i should figure out what it is.
[00:35:46] <cscott>	 she also has a much better brain-hosted cron than i do.
[00:36:12] <sumanah>	 ha
[02:13:10] <RingtailedFox>	 heya guys.... i was wondering if it's safe to install Extension:CentralAuth on my wiki...
[02:13:55] <RingtailedFox>	 the server i help run has a few wikis on it and i like the new Extension:GettingStarted but it lists CentralAuth as one of its dependencies
[02:15:13] <PiRSquared>	 It should be "safe", but it would change the way the wiki integration works
[02:15:32] <PiRSquared>	 What are you currently using? $wgSharedDB?
[02:24:14] <RingtailedFox>	 ahh, no, each one has a different account and a different database
[02:24:49] <RingtailedFox>	 i just want something that tells newcomers or those with accounts that are not logged in to have a sign when they click edit that says "hey!  you gotta log in first!  no account?  make one and join the fun!"
[02:25:50] <PiRSquared>	 You could edit MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning
[02:26:00] <PiRSquared>	 Are you sure GettingStarted requires CentralAuth?
[02:26:07] <PiRSquared>	 hm
[02:26:14] <StevenW>	 It does
[02:26:54] <StevenW>	 GettingStarted requires CentralAuth since that is how it redirects users back to the page they were on
[02:27:31] <StevenW>	 You might be able to get rid of the CentralAuth dependency if you can add code to GettingStarted to redirect users to their returnto parameter
[02:28:05] <StevenW>	 RingtailedFox: for that use case, most of GettingStarted is probably unnecessary
[02:28:21] <PiRSquared>	 I think GettingStarted is mostly for WMF
[02:28:43] <StevenW>	 Yeah the code is in a bit of state of flux
[02:28:58] <StevenW>	 If you want the part that prompts users to log in if they're anonymous
[02:29:16] <StevenW>	 what I would do is install GuidedTour, and move the tours related to that from GettingStarted into GuidedTour
[02:29:26] <StevenW>	 You shouldn't need GettingStarted if you do that
[02:30:20] <RingtailedFox>	 GuidedTour?  ok
[02:30:52] <StevenW>	 Yeah the part that prompts users to log in is dependent on GuidedTour. We just hosted it in GettingStarted extension since that is what was easiest for us.
[02:31:07] <StevenW>	 You shouldn't need the rest of GettingStarted if that is what you want.
[02:31:56] <RingtailedFox>	 yes
[02:31:57] <RingtailedFox>	 thanks
[02:32:33] <RingtailedFox>	 i'll talk with the wiki admins on our server and see if that's what they need, or if they meant to just alter LocalSettings.php to disallow anonymous editing
[02:39:43] <superm401>	 Hey RingtailedFox, I work on GuidedTour if you want to talk.
[02:39:47] <superm401>	 Looking through the scrollback now.
[02:40:54] <superm401>	 Yeah, we should probably make CentralAuth an optional dependency.
[02:41:03] <superm401>	 In the meantime, there are a couple things you could do:
[02:41:39] <superm401>	 One of:
[02:41:43] <RingtailedFox>	 ok
[02:42:02] <superm401>	 1. Just install it anyway.  I think it will work, except you won't get the GettingStarted modal that shows up on signup (but you haven't mentioend that feature anyway).
[02:42:15] <superm401>	 2. Move the tour to another extension (e.g. GuidedTour).
[02:42:30] <superm401>	 1 means install GettingStarted without CentralAuth.
[02:42:54] <RingtailedFox>	 well, let me see how it works out on the test wiki we also set up for just this type of thing
[02:42:56] <superm401>	 3. Move the tour to a wiki page.  See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour/Write_an_on-wiki_tour .
[02:43:09] <RingtailedFox>	 ooh, a wiki page would work nicely
[02:47:53] <RingtailedFox>	 thanks for the help
[02:48:07] <superm401>	 Yeah, the downside is copy and paste, but if you want to customize the flow (e.g. add/remove a step), having your own on-wiki copy will allow that.  However, now that I think about it you will still need some additional setup code, either in an extension or Common.js or something.
[02:48:11] <Withoutaname>	 what function is responsible for producing interlanguage-link interwiki-xx links
[02:48:36] <PiRSquared>	 Withoutaname: it's in the skin files
[02:48:57] <superm401>	 RingtailedFox, due to that issue (the code that sets up the click listeners, launches the tour, etc.), you may want to try #1 first instead.
[02:49:39] <PiRSquared>	 Withoutaname: SkinTemplate.php getLanguages function
[02:50:57] <RingtailedFox>	 ok
[02:51:29] <superm401>	 RingtailedFox, and we'll look at making CentralAuth officially optional (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65619)
[06:34:57] <Nemo_bis>	 This is getting weird https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:%22Deepali%22,n,z
[07:16:57] <Withoutaname>	 pray tell why would it be weird
[08:08:22] <gleki>	 hello, i noticed that webp images are not supported in MediaWiki. More precisely I can't see their thumbnails. What can be done?
[08:16:59] <oops>	 gleki: just taking a quick look: imagemagick, which handles thumbnail creation for mediawiki, does support webp. I also see that in the mediawiki codebase, under includes/media, there is a handler class for each image type that is currently supported
[08:17:12] <oops>	 so my guess: take one of them as an example, make one for webp, and go from there
[08:22:23] <gleki>	 i see. then i guess i need to start from installing imagemagick
[08:22:26] <gleki>	 thank you
[08:23:55] <oops>	 if you already have a working installation, then imagemagick is installed
[08:51:40] <voldial>	 I want to "include" a text file in a wiki page... the text file is available as a url. Optimally it would work like <code></code> and update automatically when the source file changes... like a frame. I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Include but it's kinda old, is there another way? 
[09:33:43] <voldial>	 Widgets rock. found the Iframe widget, works perfect
[14:32:31] <alstu>	 hi - I'm using the MediaWiki API to grab extracts using the query action and the extracts prop. Is there a way to grab a different language variant extract on say the serbian or chinese wikipedias? 
[14:32:57] <alstu>	 say, pull a zh-tw extract rather than zh-hans (which I get as default).
[14:33:36] <alstu>	 (my apologies if this is the incorrect place to ask such a question - pointers to the correct place appreciated)
[14:37:24] <alstu>	 for example - compare http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Биг_Бен and http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Биг_Бен?variant=sr-el If i use 'variant' as on the api query action, I get a 'unknown parameter: variant' :/
[17:46:10] <apsdehal>	 Hi everyone, I want to host a server side redirect of my client side app for wikimedia login, please tell me where, if WMFLabs, then how to apply for one?
[17:49:17] <bawolff>	 Sounds kind of like a tool labs type thing. wmf labs also has their own irc channel at #wikimedia-labs
[17:50:25] <apsdehal>	 Thanks, maybe I should ask there.
[19:00:07] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Ready to talk about JS API libraries?
[19:00:58] <fhocutt>	 yes! 
[19:02:09] <fhocutt>	 anomie: I don't have any experience in JS and it's pretty different from languages I do know, so telling me the sorts of things that you're looking for when you look at one will be helpful. 
[19:02:30] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Well, to start with I'd say that jQuery.ajax and Reactive Extensions for JavaScript aren't really in-scope, as they're just libraries for making generic web requests. If they're included, Perl's LWP::UserAgent could be considered an API library.
[19:03:08] <anomie>	 (and I say this having used LWP::UserAgent for writing my own bot)
[19:03:27] <fhocutt>	 ah, so more or less equivalent to Python's requests library?
[19:03:42] <anomie>	 Yes, I believe so
[19:03:49] * anomie  isn't too familiar with Python

[19:04:28] <fhocutt>	 ok, so those are out. 
[19:06:07] <fhocutt>	 I'm making notes as we talk on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API_talk:Client_code#JavaScript
[19:07:34] <anomie>	 fhocutt: As far as the code criteria, at this early stage of evaluation there isn't too much to look at. When I looked at the code, I mainly did a search for "continue" to see if there was any support for continuation. It turns out that macbre/nodemw tries to extract the continuation parameter but doesn't otherwise handle it, mediawiki.api doesn't seem to do it at all, nor does the "ultra light wrapper". rompetoto/wiki does have a method to handle it,
[19:07:35] <anomie>	  but it's not in the documentation and I'm not sure whether it's externally visible or used for implementing the high-level methods.
[19:08:13] <fhocutt>	 how do you tell if something's written for node.JS or standard JS?
[19:08:19] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Recent updates, documentation, and presence of tests you should be able to evaluate without digging into the code
[19:08:24] <fhocutt>	 (if they don't flat out say)
[19:08:31] <fhocutt>	 how about cookies?
[19:08:47] <anomie>	 fhocutt: You've got me there, I really don't know beyond whether they offer themselves as an npm package
[19:08:58] <fhocutt>	 ok. 
[19:09:20] <fhocutt>	 it doesn't look like mw.Api does
[19:09:30] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Cookies tend to be automatically handled in JS code by the underlying browser or the underlying request library.
[19:09:51] <anomie>	 fhocutt: mw.Api, for example, runs in the browser and the browser handles the cookies.
[19:10:38] <fhocutt>	 anomie: what about for node.js? Would that use the request library then?
[19:11:47] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Truth is I'm not too familiar with node.js. But given that one of the touted "benefits" of node is that the code can be shared between browsers and backend, I'd find it odd if it didn't handle cookies for you.
[19:12:13] <fhocutt>	 anomie: hm, ok. 
[19:13:05] <anomie>	 fhocutt: One other thing I note about the libraries is that rompetoto/wiki at first glance doesn't appear to support anything except action=query: its basic request method forces that action.
[19:13:33] <fhocutt>	 anomie: ok--that is good to know. 
[19:14:40] * anomie  notes that his familiarity with JS originally comes from the mid 90s and he's not fully up to date on all the newer stuff like node.

[19:14:51] * fhocutt  nods

[19:15:02] <fhocutt>	 still more than I currently have!
[19:20:13] <fhocutt>	 anomie: am I reading this right that it just sends your API requests for you? https://github.com/brettz9/mediawiki-js
[19:21:04] <fhocutt>	 and as you said, probably doesn't need to handle cookies, but certainly doesn't do logins
[19:21:17] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Yes; it does some minimal protocol handling (e.g. format=json and basic response parsing (sort of)). One interesting thing there is that it uses jsonp (signified by the use of the "callback" parameter) which means it cannot be used for logged-in requests.
[19:21:38] <fhocutt>	 anomie: why's that?
[19:23:42] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Security. The way that jsonp works is that instead of just returning data, it returns actual javascript code that calls a function with the data as a parameter. It's mainly from before the days when browsers had XMLHTTPRequest so people had to do calls to apis by inserting <script> tags into the DOM. But a side effect of this is that it violates the browsers' same-origin policy restrictions (are you familiar with those?)
[19:24:33] <anomie>	 So MediaWiki, when returning a jsonp response, forces the request to be processed as if the user was logged out so some malicious website can't do things with your login credentials.
[19:24:48] <fhocutt>	 anomie: the phrase is familiar but that's about it
[19:25:07] <fhocutt>	 ok
[19:26:06] <anomie>	 fhocutt: The short version is that browsers don't let a script from one site see data from another site, so for example www.evil-site.com can't load www.your-bank.com in a frame and try to read your account information if you happen to be logged into your bank.
[19:26:20] <fhocutt>	 ok, makes sense
[19:27:05] <anomie>	 fhocutt: But loading actual code from a different site and then calling functions from it is common, and jsonp is a function call.
[19:28:39] <anomie>	 fhocutt: So, our time is almost up and I have other stuff to get to. Any last questions, or a desire to schedule another chat tomorrow? Or else you could always email.
[19:28:41] <fhocutt>	 anomie: so it's ok to use code, just not credentials? 
[19:28:51] <anomie>	 fhocutt: That's the idea anyway.
[19:29:26] <fhocutt>	 anomie: I will email then, or see if you happen to be around on IRC if I have small questions come up
[19:29:31] <fhocutt>	 thanks very much!
[19:29:36] <anomie>	 fhocutt: You're welcome
[19:40:51] <bfig>	 hello, I'm having trouble pasting captions from the linux console. Even if I surround it with <nowiki> tags, they wrap around like there were no line breaks. Any ideas how to make it look like the real capture?
[19:41:18] <bawolff>	 bfig: put it in a <pre>
[19:41:26] <bfig>	 bawolff: thanks, let's see
[19:41:52] <bfig>	 nice :) thanks!
[19:42:04] <bawolff>	 glad to help :)
[20:04:53] <ayoub>	 hello administrator(s)
[20:05:48] <bawolff>	 Hello ayoub 
[20:06:07] <bawolff>	 ayoub: This channel isn't for wikipedia admins, if that is what you're looking for
[20:06:34] <ayoub>	 i need a mediawiki help
[20:06:36] <bawolff>	 although if you need a mediawiki.org admin, I could help you with that
[20:06:47] <bawolff>	 what's the problem
[20:07:25] <ayoub>	 just i have a problem when i need to show sandbox button on the arabic script of mediawiki
[20:09:02] <bawolff>	 ayoub: The one in the upper-right corner of en.wikipedia.org ?
[20:09:44] <ayoub>	 yes
[20:11:32] <bawolff>	 ayoub: ITs a (default enabled) gadget - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-mySandbox.js
[20:11:44] <bawolff>	 ayoub: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets/export/mySandbox
[20:12:29] <ayoub>	 where i must put the js file ?
[20:13:33] <ayoub>	 because the problem on the arabic version maybe
[20:14:27] <bawolff>	 ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-mySandbox.js I would guess (after adding the line "* mySandbox[ResourceLoader|dependencies=mediawiki.util,mediawiki.Title,mediawiki.Uri|default|rights=createpage]|mySandbox.js" to Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition
[20:14:54] <bawolff>	 oh well, looks like that page already exists
[20:15:34] <bawolff>	 ayoub: Actually it looks like there already is a sandbox link at ar wikipedia
[20:15:35] <Withoutaname>	 hey bawolff
[20:15:39] <bawolff>	 Hi Withoutaname 
[20:15:56] <Withoutaname>	 I'd like to save a custom search for "sort by: bug severity" -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?format=advanced
[20:16:00] <Withoutaname>	 how do I do that
[20:16:42] <bawolff>	 ayoub: So it looks like it already works for me, is it not working for you?
[20:17:34] <ayoub>	 i dont know how to add it to my wiki http://ar.newheur.ml/
[20:17:39] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: Hmm, good question
[20:17:52] <bawolff>	 ayoub: Oh sorry, i thought you were trying to add it to ar.wikipedia.org
[20:19:15] <ayoub>	 ok how can i add it and i'm sorry for your time
[20:19:17] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: Maybe ask andre
[20:20:15] <bawolff>	 ayoub: Follow instructions at https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D8%A5%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%AA/export/mySandbox
[20:21:25] <bawolff>	 ayoub: Also, make sure you have the gadgets extension installed on your wiki
[20:21:57] <Vulpix>	 Withoutaname: apparently, you can do that by fiddling with the URL of the search. order=bug_severity worked for me :P
[20:22:37] <Withoutaname>	 Vulpix: yeah I managed to figure that out recently (~a week ago) but I'd like to save it as a custom search
[20:22:50] <quiddity>	 Withoutaname, just click the appropriate column header, and save as normal (click "Remember search" at bottom).  It remembers sort order.
[20:23:07] <Withoutaname>	 ok
[20:23:30] <Withoutaname>	 actually quiddity it's not really in any of the column headers
[20:24:28] <quiddity>	 Withoutaname, click "change columns" at the bottom of the search results.
[20:25:00] <Withoutaname>	 wow thanks!
[20:25:03] <quiddity>	 :)
[20:25:52] * bawolff  learns something new

[20:26:02] * quiddity  customizes ALL the things.

[20:29:37] <bawolff>	 Oh that's fun
[20:29:46] <Maadison>	 when I git fetch from gerrit, check out 1.21.3, and then git merge 1.22.6, I get dozens of merge conflicts. Is that to be expected? e.g. because 1.21.3 came out after the 1.22 branch was created?
[20:29:48] <bawolff>	 php parserTests.php just dropped my user table
[20:30:05] <bawolff>	 on my test wiki
[20:31:32] <bawolff>	 Maadison: probably yes. Important fixes get backported from time to time
[20:32:09] <Maadison>	 yeah, I'm trying to figure out what 1.21.x tag was the source for the 1.22 branch so I can try it from there.
[20:32:21] <Maadison>	 it'd be nice to be able to update my install straight out of git
[20:32:34] <legoktm>	 1.21.0 is probably the cleanest
[20:32:35] <Maadison>	 but I guess the upshot would be that I'd always have to switch up when a new .0 comes out.
[20:32:38] <legoktm>	 but
[20:32:55] <legoktm>	 you should really just do git checkout 1.22.6
[20:35:44] <bawolff>	 You could checkout the REL1_22 branch, and then git pull every time a new point release is made
[20:36:14] <Maadison>	 at one point I had some hacks to MW core in my install, and I was trying to see if I could use git to upgrade and get automatic merges, not having to repatch byhand.
[20:36:41] <Maadison>	 but I guess once you're out on a backport branch you can't use rebase either.
[20:37:19] <thedj>	 in that case just get a new base and cherry-pick your own changes back onto that new base.
[20:37:20] <legoktm>	 I would recommend just checking out 1.22 and then trying to cherry-pick your hacks on top
[20:37:22] <thedj>	 much easier
[20:39:28] <Maadison>	 how do you initiate the cherry-pick at that point?
[20:40:59] <thedj>	 just in your git log find the id's of your commits. then checkout -b new_branchname origin/upstreambranch; and then git cherry-pick yourcommitid
[20:41:26] <Maadison>	 gotcha. so filter by committer. 
[20:41:26] <Maadison>	 ok. thanks for the discussion!
[20:42:46] <sumanah>	  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/SOA_Authentication  Will have to take a further look at this
[20:42:48] <Maadison>	 (this makes me think that it removes pretty much all benefit of obtaining mw core from git... better at that point to not have the huge number of MW commits in my repo complicating things.)
[20:54:12] <Withoutaname>	 bawolff: is git.wikimedia.org slow for you
[20:54:36] <bawolff>	 Well its always slow relative to my local copy of the repo :)
[20:54:56] <bawolff>	 yeah it does seem slow
[20:56:39] <Withoutaname>	 I think it died
[20:57:02] <legoktm>	 use the github mirrors
[20:59:10] <^d>	 git.wm.o is always dead.
[20:59:16] <^d>	 i wouldn't rely on it.
[20:59:18] <^d>	 for anything.
[20:59:30] <^d>	 flaming pile of donkey poo, that software.
[21:00:42] <Reedy>	 github4lyf
[21:06:30] <p858snake|l>	 ^d: phab4lyfe
[21:06:49] <^d>	 svn4life.
[21:06:52] <^d>	 duh
[21:06:54] <^d>	 git sucks
[21:07:18] <p858snake|l>	 cvs!
[21:07:35] <p858snake|l>	 whats the MS one again? we should use that
[21:07:42] <^d>	 visual source safe.
[21:07:42] <p858snake|l>	 foundationserver or whatever
[21:07:50] <bawolff>	 MediaWiki as revision control!
[21:07:50] <^d>	 team foundation server is the new thing.
[21:07:58] <^d>	 visual source safe is the old tried-and-true method.
[21:08:03] <bawolff>	 flagged revs as code review
[21:08:09] <^d>	 Oh yeah, reminds me.
[21:08:13] <^d>	 I need to remove FR from mw.org
[21:08:29] <bawolff>	 Woo
[21:08:55] <bawolff>	 FR doesn't work to well when nobody reviews things
[21:10:26] <^d>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134935
[21:12:43] <Vulpix>	 ^d: but if people don't review things, vandalisms will show more prominently. At least now there's a list of things to review
[21:13:01] <^d>	 nobody vandalizes mw.org because it's boring.
[21:13:09] <^d>	 plus if they do, they tend to get blocked on-sight with no warning.
[21:17:02] <Vulpix>	 maybe the autoreview and reviewer flags should have been given more generously to recurrent editors
[21:17:30] <Withoutaname>	 No people think I don't deserve such a flag
[21:17:51] <^d>	 merge tiem.
[21:18:41] * Vulpix  carpe diem

[21:18:50] <Withoutaname>	 can we destroy autoreview as well
[21:18:53] <bawolff>	 If we were to keep it, I would say that review flag should be merged into the autoconfirmed group
[21:21:33] <^d>	 Gone.
[21:23:25] <^d>	 $techDebt--;
[21:24:33] <bfig>	 \q
[21:36:02] <Withoutaname>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134940
[21:37:31] <Withoutaname>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext <- this too please
[21:38:45] <^d>	 I have to finish cleaning up the users first.
[21:39:07] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: I did the mediawiki text
[21:41:34] <Withoutaname>	 shouldn't you use bot flag and should we create "autopatrolled" group
[21:41:42] <Withoutaname>	 for non-admins
[21:41:52] <FunPika>	 Is there even a point in the coder.group now? All that has now is autopatrol and the ability to add other people to the coder group.
[21:42:13] <Withoutaname>	 I thought it was kept as legacy for when MediaWiki used Special:CodeReview
[21:42:45] <Withoutaname>	 from what I heard using the wiki interface for revision control wasn't very good
[21:42:59] <StevenW>	 ^d: ping
[21:43:04] <^d>	 yo.
[21:43:34] <FunPika>	 There aren't even Special:CodeReview related rights on it now looking at ListGroupRights.
[21:43:34] <^d>	 FunPika: We can probably remove it in the near-ish future too.
[21:43:39] <^d>	 I think I kept it because it had autopatroll stuff.
[21:44:25] <^d>	 StevenW: That "yo." was a pong, sorry :)
[21:44:32] <Withoutaname>	 ^d: bot flag
[21:44:44] <StevenW>	 ^d you changing mah permissions?
[21:45:02] <^d>	 StevenW: Yep. Revoking all FlaggedRevs-related perms from mw.org, disabled it.
[21:45:13] <^d>	 Part of a mass action, nothing special about you :)
[21:45:52] <^d>	 StevenW: Not that you're not special, just that this isn't anything special :p
[21:47:02] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: I liked the wiki interface to code review :P
[21:47:15] <bawolff>	 I still kind of miss being able to tag certain revisions, or mark them fixme
[21:47:41] <Withoutaname>	 well I haven't tried Extension:CodeReview to find out for meself
[21:47:45] <^d>	 Redoing CR for git would've been awful.
[21:47:58] <^d>	 (I too liked it...for SVN)
[21:48:46] <Withoutaname>	 ^d: don't you usually have a script handy for mass removing groups
[21:49:21] <^d>	 Withoutaname: It's called tabbed browsing :p
[21:49:40] <^d>	 Probably could've whipped up something with eval.php that still would've logged everything.
[21:49:42] <^d>	 But lazy.
[21:49:57] <Withoutaname>	 okey
[21:50:16] <Withoutaname>	 wait do we want to keep autochecked users
[21:50:24] <Withoutaname>	 rename it autopatrolled
[21:51:08] <Krenair>	 Isn't the coder group needed for commenting on revisions in SVN or something?
[21:51:37] <^d>	 Nobody can comment on CR revisions anymore.
[21:51:40] <Withoutaname>	 [14:42]	Withoutaname	I thought it was kept as legacy for when MediaWiki used Special:CodeReview
[21:51:41] <^d>	 I revoked those permissions some time ago.
[21:52:08] <^d>	 We should double check but I think it can go too.
[21:52:27] <^d>	 Ok, reviewer group empty. Now to editor.
[21:52:31] <Withoutaname>	 ^d: double check coder or autochecked user?
[21:52:36] <^d>	 coder.
[21:53:22] <Withoutaname>	 does anyone have suggestions for autochecked user then?
[21:55:34] <Withoutaname>	 perhaps it was a mistake not creating an autopatrolled group
[21:56:21] <FunPika>	 I think we should just keep autochecked user and rename it to autopatrolled user.
[21:58:03] <^d>	 Renaming actual groups is annoying. Just rename the MW messages so it changes what's displayed.
[21:58:53] <firebus>	 i have an extension that is not compatible with 1.19. i'd like to bring it up to date to work with 1.22. is there any reason i'd want to get it working in 1.19, 1.20, 1.21 first? or should i just go straight to 1.22?
[21:59:42] <^d>	 Gah, 159 more users to fix.
[22:06:17] <bawolff>	 firebus: just go 1.22 unless you have good reason to do the others
[22:06:32] <firebus>	 thanks bawolff!
[22:12:26] <Withoutaname>	 bawolff: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Group-autoreview <- rename to autopatrol I guess
[22:12:31] <Withoutaname>	 thanks
[22:13:17] <bawolff>	 there's 2 messages I think you need to change
[22:13:45] <Krenair>	 Okay, so what are we going to do about all the old log entries?
[22:13:49] <Krenair>	 That are now broken./
[22:14:28] <bawolff>	 Krenair: Hmm, what old log entries?
[22:14:34] <Krenair>	 FlaggedRevs ones
[22:14:45] <Krenair>	 <Nemo_bis> [22:39:37] logs don't look particularly well https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Extension%3ATimedMediaHandler%2FClient+download
[22:14:49] <Krenair>	 (from #wikimedia-operations)
[22:15:07] <^d>	 We could delete the logs.
[22:15:11] <Nemo_bis>	 the only fix for that would be: 23.40 < Nemo_bis> Can't we keep the extension enabled just revoking all user permissions and all effects?
[22:15:20] <^d>	 No, that's not an option.
[22:15:29] <^d>	 It'd fall back to defaults.
[22:15:45] <Nemo_bis>	 They can be overridden
[22:15:52] <bawolff>	 ugh, that's silly that the logging system explodes so
[22:16:28] <Nemo_bis>	 bawolff: if it didn't, someone would already have migrated all logs to the new system ;)
[22:16:57] <^d>	 Who's a bcrat and wants to help me finish emptying the group?
[22:17:08] <Nemo_bis>	 It's not enough to be a crat.
[22:17:31] <^d>	 Blergh.
[22:17:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Logs are not catastrophically broken though, they're almost readable. :)
[22:18:04] <^d>	 I mean it's not fataling.
[22:18:08] <^d>	 Just giving funny text.
[22:18:31] <Withoutaname>	 bawolff: it did when AFTv5 was pulled if you remember
[22:18:45] <Krenair>	 I'm sure it looks even weirder if you change to a non-English language.
[22:18:50] <bawolff>	 ^d Nikerabbit : true
[22:19:04] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: I mostly ignore wikipedia
[22:19:11] <bawolff>	 They get too much attention as it is
[22:19:17] <^d>	 I still think we should just delete the logs.
[22:19:20] <Nemo_bis>	 Krenair: not really, I'm looking in Italian
[22:19:30] <Krenair>	 RTL languages?
[22:19:39] <Nemo_bis>	 How would that matter
[22:20:31] <Nemo_bis>	 Looks mostly the same
[22:21:44] <Withoutaname>	 if you want ^d someone might right a script to clean user rights
[22:22:02] <^d>	 I don't think we have a maintenance script for it.
[22:22:05] * bawolff  thinks we should just leave it alone. Who really looks at logs anyhow

[22:22:27] <Withoutaname>	 s/right/write
[22:22:40] <^d>	 92 users to go.
[22:22:45] <Withoutaname>	 should be easy
[22:22:47] <^d>	 I'll be done before someone can whip up a script I bet.
[22:22:50] <Nemo_bis>	 hoo could
[22:24:19] <Nemo_bis>	 Or Reedy, werdna. Period, no other crat has userrights
[22:24:36] <Krenair>	 Crat status is irrelevant
[22:24:51] <Krenair>	 Any steward/sysadmin/staff should be able to do it, I think
[22:26:08] * ^d  is doing all of it.

[22:26:52] <Nemo_bis>	 Krenair: yes but most users with Staff or sysadmin have no idea what Special:UserRights is. :) And stewards are so bureaucratic. ;)
[22:27:02] <jackmcbarn>	 ^d: why are editor rights now obsolete?
[22:27:13] <^d>	 FlaggedRevs removed from mw.org
[22:27:17] <jackmcbarn>	 ah
[22:28:09] <Krenair>	 btw ^d, how bad was Special:PendingChanges before you nuked it?
[22:28:40] <bawolff>	 The highest was 190 days I think
[22:28:40] <^d>	 Krenair: < 50 entries. didn't bother paging.
[22:28:47] <Krenair>	 Um.
[22:28:48] <^d>	 s/</>/
[22:29:04] <Krenair>	 That's pretty good for mediawiki.org standards.
[22:29:05] <^d>	 less than/greater than is hard.
[22:29:09] <Krenair>	 Ah, okay.
[22:29:13] <Krenair>	 makes more sense
[22:29:25] <Nemo_bis>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.org_ValidationStatistics.png
[22:30:38] <Nemo_bis>	 Now compare https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Spezial:Sichtungsstatistik :D
[22:31:30] <Nemo_bis>	 Or, more worrying, https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ValidationStatistics (and this is a wiki WMF is spending hundreds thousands dollars on)
[22:31:37] <Reedy>	 DELETE FROM userrights...
[22:33:06] <^d>	 Reedy: I considered coming up with a one-liner for eval that'd still log.
[22:33:10] <^d>	 But meh, tabbed browsing.
[22:36:29] <^d>	 Ok, 51 to go, taking a break, will finish in a few.
[22:39:33] <marktraceur>	 ^d: Being OCD about user rights? :)
[22:40:22] <^d>	 marktraceur: No OCD. Just cleaning up so we can remove them.
[22:40:29] <marktraceur>	 Ah!
[22:40:46] <Withoutaname>	 oh that reminds me how come autopatrolled is not a default usergroup for wmf wikis
[22:54:30] <sumanah>	 hi ^d - did you just remove some people's editor rights on mediawiki.org?
[22:54:34] <sumanah>	 (such as mine)
[22:54:37] <^d>	 Everyone's.
[22:54:47] <^d>	 Editor/reviewer are gone, FlaggedRevs is gone from mw.org
[22:55:12] <sumanah>	 okay! I figured there was a big sweep like that but just wanted to double check in case
[22:55:17] <sumanah>	 thanks
[22:55:19] <^d>	 yw.
[22:55:44] <Withoutaname>	 bawolff: i think something went wrong again
[22:55:50] <Withoutaname>	 can you help
[22:56:04] <bawolff>	 with?
[22:56:12] <Withoutaname>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/134940/
[22:56:26] <Withoutaname>	 something caused patch set 3 to overwrite patch set 2
[22:56:49] <Withoutaname>	 i mean the change from patch set 2 was lost
[22:56:59] <Withoutaname>	 how do i recover
[22:57:22] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: hmm, the edit commit message worked against the wrong patchset
[22:57:44] <Withoutaname>	 k i guess ill download ps3
[22:57:48] <Withoutaname>	 and reapply ps2
[22:57:58] <bawolff>	 Withoutaname: you can download 2 by doing
[22:58:04] <bawolff>	 git fetch https://<USERNAME>@gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/operations/mediawiki-config refs/changes/40/134940/2 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD
[22:58:17] <bawolff>	 then change the commit message, and then do git review
[23:03:04] <^d>	 Ok groups empty.
[23:03:30] <Withoutaname>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/134969/ thats just weird now
[23:04:15] <Withoutaname>	 but w/e, one of them gets the job done
[23:05:17] <Withoutaname>	 bawolff: should I abandon the other patch
[23:05:40] <bawolff>	 yeah
[23:05:48] <bawolff>	 i guess
[23:05:54] <bawolff>	 which one do you mean by other?
[23:06:25] <Withoutaname>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/134940/
[23:06:51] <Withoutaname>	 it didn't commit to the same review page but to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/134969/
[23:06:52] <bawolff>	 I guess it doesn't really matter. Personally I try to get it uploaded to the 134940 one so history is preserved
[23:07:04] <Withoutaname>	 yeah
[23:07:09] <bawolff>	 That happens if there is no change-id: line at the bottom of the commit message
[23:08:22] <Withoutaname>	 I can't put in the change id because git review acts weird :S
[23:08:33] <Withoutaname>	 but that's alright
[23:10:23] <bawolff>	 git review should be able to handle the change-id already in the commit message just fine