[00:28:16] Looking for some help with gerrit. Trying to submit a change and getting error: [00:28:17] committer email address iowajason@gerrit.mediawiki.org←[K [00:28:34] following instructions on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Getting_started [00:29:32] It's looking for my main email on file. SHould I register a gerrit.mediawiki.org email on my profile? [00:30:50] copy didn't work. Part of message is: [00:30:51] remote: ERROR: committer email address iowajason@gerrit.mediawiki.org←[K [00:31:00] remote: ERROR: does not match your user account.←[K [00:31:09] Heya, how do I change my username? [00:31:33] I am the owner of the wiki and I want to change the name I appear with. [00:36:57] Emily see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [00:46:42] iowajason: isnt that part of core? [00:48:06] Betacommand: I thought so, but am getting error message. With a second set of eyes, did I misspell something in the email address that might of made it not work? Thanks. [00:48:56] iowajason: what email did you register with your gerrit account? [00:51:39] It's a hotmail account [00:53:55] Or could there be a case sensitivity issue. On one page, I show up as Iowajason (capital I at start). [00:54:20] iowajason: you cant use an @gerrit account name [00:55:23] Betacommand: when I look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Getting_started [00:55:37] it tells me to use: $ git clone ssh://@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git [00:56:31] I don't see any part of instructions on how to use "real" email as identity. Any advice? Thanks. [00:56:50] iowajason: one sec [00:58:14] iowajason: see https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git [00:58:31] git config --global user.email "your_email@example.com" [00:58:47] needs to be the same as what is on wikitech [01:00:01] Betacommand: Thanks. I will try. Probably take me 10 mins or so to run through it all. [01:02:23] How do I enable uploads? [01:02:26] for images? [01:07:22] Betacommand: Fixed my problem. Thanks for your support. A new extension now has some source code and I will start more robust documentation. Well done. [01:20:53] How do I enable uploads for images? [01:22:13] Also how do I edit the stuff on the side navigation? [01:33:06] !uploads Emily_ [01:33:27] !sidebar Emily_ [01:33:50] Thanks :) [01:34:18] Emily_: np [01:36:00] It wont work anymore. [01:40:18] All I did was change false to true [01:54:19] Ok so all I did was change $wgEnableUploads = true; in the LocalSettings.php and now my wiki wont show up. [01:54:59] !blankpage [01:55:30] Emily_: are you sure you used the correct syntax? [01:58:33] Yeah [01:58:37] Positive. [02:03:36] What should I do? [02:03:45] Emily_: is it a completely blank page? [02:03:58] http://www.carpathia.starfleetuk.org/lcars/index.php?title=Main_Page [02:04:09] Nothing there. [02:04:10] LCARS? [02:04:19] Star trek [02:04:20] Trek fan I presume? [02:04:23] nvm [02:04:29] Yeah [02:04:40] Tis what it is for. [02:04:41] try adding error_reporting( -1 ); ini_set( "display_errors", 1 ); to the end of LocalSettings [02:05:04] note that anyone will be able to see the errors however [02:05:21] Just did. [02:05:24] Still blank. [02:07:27] Is there anything else I can try? [02:07:43] maybe [02:07:48] Are you sure you didn't forget a semicolon on the previous/next line, or something else simple? [02:08:24] Is safe mode on? [02:08:27] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode [02:08:55] I dont have a php.ini [02:08:57] file [02:09:13] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode#Image_upload_and_deletion_workaround [02:10:15] Do I replace the #$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; command? [02:10:54] Does '/usr/bin/convert' exist on your server? [02:11:18] that's the default value, so you shouldn't need to modify it unless it doesn't [02:11:36] not in the lcars folder [02:11:40] It won't be used anyway, unless you enable $wgUseImageMagick [02:11:53] (AFAIK) [02:12:00] Just check your server error logs. [02:12:15] it won't be in the lcars folder. That path is from the file system root. [02:12:19] Ah [02:12:36] I dont have /bin in it. [02:12:39] you can try "which convert" on the command line to check if it is there. [02:13:02] that will also tell you the path if it is installed somewhere else for some reason. [02:13:10] Sure, but this seems tangential. [02:13:22] You need to figure out why setting $wgEnableUploads = true; causes a fatal error. [02:13:30] yeah. ImageMagick is optional. The wiki won't crash if it is missing. [02:13:45] I tried to change it back to false but it didn't fix it. [02:13:57] That indicates that something else changed. [02:14:03] Yes. [02:14:14] Check your server error logs. [02:14:18] Really. [02:14:47] You may have accidentally touch another line in LocalSettings.php as well. The best place to look is the php error logs. [02:15:11] yeah, probably a syntax error [02:15:21] Where do I check that, I have no clue. [02:15:34] Depends on the operating system and Web server. [02:15:55] Perhaps /var/log/apache2/. [02:16:04] If you're using Apache on a Linux box. [02:17:06] Nope, nothing there. I have /var/tmp/ then but there is nothing in that folder. [02:17:46] Find the Apache configuration and look where it's putting logs. [02:18:20] A Web server generally keeps access logs and error logs somewhere on the file system. [02:21:26] I cant find it. Is there another document I can check this against? [02:21:38] Emily_: run phpinfo() and look for error_log [02:22:27] I found it. [02:22:28] php -i | grep error_log [02:23:11] Qapla'! [02:24:31] It says there is an error on line 14 [02:25:25] Can you fix it? [02:25:39] I dont know whats wrong... [02:25:52] if ( !defined( 'MEDIAWIKI' ) ) { [02:26:11] was there a previous open quote? [02:26:23] semicolon on the previous line? [02:26:31] what was the error exactly? [02:27:28] [Thu Jun 05 03:19:13 2014] [warn] [client ] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /var/www/vhosts/valkyrie.starfleetuk.org/site4/lcars/LocalSettings.php on line 14 [02:27:28] [Thu Jun 05 03:19:13 2014] [warn] [client ] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /var/www/vhosts/valkyrie.starfleetuk.org/site4/lcars/LocalSettings.php on line 14 [02:27:28] [Thu Jun 05 03:19:13 2014] [warn] [client ] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /var/www/vhosts/valkyrie.starfleetuk.org/site4/lcars/LocalSettings.php on line 14 [02:27:28] [Thu Jun 05 03:19:13 2014] [warn] [client ] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /var/www/vhosts/valkyrie.starfleetuk.org/site4/lcars/LocalSettings.php on line 14 [02:27:28] [Thu Jun 05 03:19:13 2014] [warn] [client ] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IF in /var/www/vhosts/valkyrie.starfleetuk.org/site4/lcars/LocalSettings.php on line 14 [02:27:30] missing closing brace? [02:27:39] Eh [02:27:54] # Protect against web entry [02:27:54] if ( !defined( 'MEDIAWIKI' ) ) { [02:27:54] exit; [02:27:54] } [02:28:35] You probably missed a semicolon or something [02:28:52] and please dont mass paste [02:29:02] pastebins are your friend [02:29:08] Sorry [02:29:21] Emily_: Could you put the entire LocalSettings.php (minus passwords and things) into a pastebin? [02:30:19] I am new to Kiwi IRC, how do I put it in a pastebin? [02:30:37] https://dpaste.de/ http://pastebin.com etc. [02:30:57] then give a link [02:32:06] http://pastebin.com/CuTbNjFx [02:32:34] Emily_: First line, should be lol [02:33:01] WOW [02:33:23] Interesting error message though.... I would expect something different [02:33:30] I FEEL SO STUPID..... [02:33:38] everyone knows PHP error messages suck [02:33:46] Lol, sorry for wasting everyones time :) [02:33:54] http://phpsadness.com/sad/44 [02:34:14] I guess if short tags are on, it kind of makes sense but not really [02:39:17] Is no, it is interpreting it as Silly, silly. [02:54:57] the unfortunately that doesn't help something like mediawiki that doesn't want to require the newest version of php. [02:56:50] sigilbaram: MediaWiki policy is to never use short tags [02:56:54] Its a stupid feature [02:57:54] yeah. [02:59:02] If I ever worked on actual software instead of little personal projects I would avoid them as well. [02:59:36] considering I only use short echo anyway I should probably just get in the habit. [05:59:59] I think this needs to documented: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65938 [06:07:03] Hello! How to reprogram "+" to add section at the top of the discussion page, not at the bottom? Thank you! [06:20:29] Upon registration: "Get Well Soon, Phabricator" [06:20:50] Is this supposed to be a pun? I'm not sick, I just have to verify an email. :) [08:46:44] !stable [08:46:47] !version [08:46:51] !download [08:47:03] I do remember there was some key that needed updating...oh well. [08:47:28] !brain [08:47:49] !1.22 [08:47:52] !1.23 [08:48:10] !1.23 is MediaWiki 1.23 is the latest version of MediaWiki, released on June 5th 2014. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.23 [08:48:17] !1.22 del [08:48:38] !1.22 is MediaWiki 1.22 is a legacy version of MediaWiki, released on Dec 6th 2013. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22 [08:49:10] !1.21 del [08:49:23] oh wait [08:49:26] !1.21 is MediaWiki 1.21 is a legacy version of MediaWiki, released on May 25th 2013. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21 [09:30:04] $wgAppleTouchIcon is not working on my mediawiki [09:32:14] Hey, [09:32:29] im having truble with the pdfbook extension [09:40:35] hello anyone knows how to make whAppleTouchIcon works? [09:44:59] hello does anyone knows how to set the icon for mobile in mediawiki? $wgAppleTouchIcon is not working [09:45:09] please can anyone help? [11:20:20] hey, i cant seem to get the pdfbook extension up and running...kinda. I can klick convert to pdf and it will give me a pdf of the actuell site but i cant get the "create book" to work. Wiki 1.22.7. Tank you! [11:20:45] thank* [11:42:14] mranti: You can use the ?action=pdfbook query to download a page [12:02:05] Heya, me again. So I'm having two more problems. I'm attempting to customize my skin a bit and the logo in the top left is not showing up and I also need help changing the font color of the headers. [12:06:14] is your wiki available publicly? [12:06:41] Emily_: ^ [12:06:57] Yes [12:07:06] may I gaze upon it? [12:07:25] http://www.carpathia.starfleetuk.org/lcars/index.php?title=Main_Page [12:08:05] Its not much yet. [12:08:24] and how did you go about specifying the logo? [12:08:57] $wgLogo = "/wiki/skins/common/images/wiki.png"; [12:09:02] I just replaced that [12:09:21] you uploaded an image to that location? [12:09:27] Yes [12:09:51] k, replace the first wiki with lcars. [12:10:00] Yeah, just saw that :) [12:10:01] $wgLogo = "/lcars/skins/common/images/wiki.png"; [12:10:34] * Emily_ nods [12:10:36] fixed [12:10:50] 1.23 just came out today too, btw :D [12:11:09] so if you're not too involved yet, you may want to update to that release. [12:11:18] that's the new long term support release - will be supported til 2017. [12:13:49] I'll stick with this for now. Dont want to break anything so soon. [12:14:33] Oh also, how do I change the default skin? [12:15:24] do you want to force the default skin to all users, but still allow them to pick? [12:15:32] or force the default skin and users can't pick anything else? [12:16:01] Force it so they cant pick anything else. [12:16:19] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultSkin [12:16:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSkipSkins [12:18:38] Thanks. Now how do I change all font to white and the sub boxes to black? [12:19:38] Also how do I remove the contents box on the first page? [12:19:43] in a skin, or via MediaWiki:Common.css? [12:20:13] generally speaking, it looks like you're just changing colors and stuff, so I wouldn't do that as a new skin. [12:20:23] I"d just use MediaWiki:Common.css, which is a CSS oevrride for all skins. [12:21:13] for contents box, use __NOTOC__ in your page. [12:21:34] NOTOC: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words [12:21:43] CSS: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS [12:26:33] Now how do I change boxes and stuff to the right color? [12:26:34] Emily_: i've always wanted to get into a Star Trek sim. [12:26:50] Emily_: well, you'll just have to figure out the right CSS paths and stuff. [12:26:55] Do your RP? [12:26:58] are you familiar with CSS and/or view-sourcing to find etc. [12:27:03] Emily_: aye. [12:27:23] This is the site that my sim has http://www.carpathia.starfleetuk.org [12:28:46] What is the right CSS document to look in? [12:29:49] kunalg: i can allready download the displayed page [12:30:16] mranti: What is the issue then? [12:30:27] Emily: For your own sanity, I would /not/ recommend you modify the skin's CSS file - this will make upgrading harder in the future. I would instead recommend you /override/ the CSS inside: http://www.carpathia.starfleetuk.org/lcars/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css [12:30:32] but there is for example @wikipedia.com to create a pdf-book [12:30:42] like different pages in one pdf [12:32:03] here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Book&bookcmd=book_creator&referer=Main+Page [12:35:32] Emily_: I would add, perhaps, .portlet { background-color: green; } to MediaWiki:Common.css and see if that gets you anywhere. [12:36:51] It changed the side navigation. [12:37:27] Emily_: is that part of what you wanted? [12:37:39] But the edit box, right now is white and so is the color of the background. [12:38:12] The inside of the side navigation boxes is what I wanted to do. [12:38:14] .portlet .pBody { background-color: blue; } [12:38:16] try that one. [12:38:16] mranti: This should help https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection#Generating_PDFs.2C_OpenDocument-_.26_DocBook-Exports You can use the Pediapress server [12:39:30] That one works :) [12:41:14] Emily_: this is how you should think about your theme edits - doing it inline in here. they'll follow you around as you upgrade the site, saving you a ton of time. [12:41:29] Now can you help me fix stuff like the edit box and stuff like this http://www.carpathia.starfleetuk.org/lcars/index.php?title=Category:General_Reference [12:41:34] Thanks, Morbus :) [12:42:31] kunlag: my problem is that i a) dont want my wiki be acessable and b) use someone elses server [12:42:37] so thats not really an option [12:43:49] Emily_: do you know how to view source/inspect element/find the css classes yourself? [12:44:03] we're getting into dangerous "nothing to do with mediawiki" territory. [12:44:06] ;) [12:44:21] Kinda... [12:53:00] mranti: You can set up your own server https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection#Setup_your_own_render_server [12:54:22] and on a windows platform? :S [12:57:10] mranti: Hmmm. The doc says to use mwlib but is not supported on windows [12:58:00] mhh ok...i guess i stick with the 1 site 1 pdf solution then :D [12:58:03] tanks thoe [12:58:08] !XAMPP | mranti [12:58:13] !xampp | mranti [12:59:05] oh, pdf renderer... might be more tricky :) [12:59:16] mranti: This might help https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mwlib/iHf114FOyOY [13:00:15] from a quick look, it seems to be mostly python based, so should work on windows. [13:00:21] mranti: It is easiest to use the renderer server though [13:00:36] DanielK_WMDE: The site says, it doesn't :P [13:00:44] yea i know but thats not safeenough for me [13:01:20] mranti: Ok. [13:04:23] mranti: The PdfBook extension can download a whole category as well, might help [13:04:27] anomie: Hi [13:04:39] hi kunalg [13:06:08] anomie: Made the Page Language selector part without touching much in Title.php, Robin is working to simplify the Title and ContentHandler part. [13:06:31] anomie: Would be great if you can review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135312/ [13:07:48] kunalg: how is taht [13:07:50] that [13:08:57] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PdfBook#Usage [13:15:40] ohh...! my pdf is empty [13:15:55] even if its just the displayed page [14:20:30] hi Mithrandir - how's it going? [14:21:43] sumanah: stressful. I don't like openssl vulnerabilities. [14:22:30] Crap. I'll leave you to your work then Mithrandir. (Tiny update: Frances was coworking with me in NYC earlier this week but is now back in Seattle. This week she is concentrating on Python library evaluation and wants to collaborate with Merlijn on that.) [14:23:14] valhallasw: ^ you probably saw Frances's email asking to chat with you about that. and my email about Memory Alpha. [14:23:42] sumanah: yep, we'll be working on it tomorrow [14:23:46] Thank you :) [14:24:02] anomie: wish you'd been at Wiki Conference USA to meet Frances and see her API presentation rock the house! http://franceshocutt.com/2014/06/02/wikiconference-usa-2014-rundown/ is a good set of links. [14:25:15] Are there recordings of the presentations? [14:25:28] sumanah: I missed the original announcement, so by the time I heard about it it was too late for me to try to go :( [14:25:41] Hello, I need some help related to OAuth, I have build up an API on top of it, to do OAuth from a browser plugin, but I am getting some problem, I am unable to get anything here > https://github.com/apsdehal/Mediawiki-login-api/blob/master/lib/OAuth/MWOAuthClient.php#L75 [14:26:23] Krenair: they did indeed record the presentations. I don't know when those recordings will go up. I have cadged audio of my keynote, which I've put up, and I'm currently converting the video into Ogg so I can upload it. [14:26:37] cool [14:26:46] anomie: Sympathies. Next year - it sounds like it will happen again. [14:27:01] And I understand you will go to Wikimania, which I don't get to go to this year! [14:27:30] Krenair: There are a few unconference sessions that did not get recorded because people needed to be able to talk a bit more privately [14:27:38] okay [14:27:45] Krenair: but all of the stuff from Friday and Saturday got recorded [14:28:05] sumanah: You don't? That's too bad :( [14:28:36] It's all right -- I've been to three, and I'm no longer a community manager, and it's good to have other people mix it up and get a chance to go. [14:29:54] apsdehal: So, a few people who know a lot about OAuth live on the West Coast of North America and are not up yet [14:30:08] apsdehal: you may get better luck asking on wikitech-l so they can answer you when they wake [14:30:11] !lists | apsdehal [14:30:24] sumanah: sounds great. [14:30:39] sumanah: I hope you both had a good time [14:30:48] Mostly yes! Didn't sleep enough though. :) [14:30:55] heh, happens [14:31:24] anomie: so am I right in thinking that childcare needs/schedule are part of what stopped you from coming, since you heard about WCUSA so late? [14:31:26] sumanah: Thanks a lot [14:31:45] if so, I would be glad to tell the organizers that having childcare available would really help people attend. (This also furthers my agenda.) [14:32:04] sumanah: I think registration was already closed by the time I heard about it [14:32:17] nod [14:32:28] And you didn't want to try for the waitlist [14:34:59] Yeah, too much trouble for uncertain results. And arranging flights, lodging, etc on such short notice. [14:35:53] Right. [14:37:39] How do i get bug editing privileges ? [14:43:53] hi rohan_ - PM me your email address used for bugzilla and I will give them to you [14:44:04] I think right now any BZ user can give other users bug editing privileges [14:44:13] Its rohan1395@yahoo.com [14:44:15] Thanks [14:45:14] done! rohan_ what will be the first bug you edit? :-) [14:45:56] Well, i am already assigned to 65592 [14:46:08] back when we just allowed anyone to edit bugs, we got big swaths of vandalism every once in a while, such as people creating accounts that looked like my account and using it to libel other people [14:46:14] !b 65592 [14:48:24] How do you know that I am not a vandal ? :D [14:49:49] rohan_: I don't. But you were willing to ask in public, and that cuts the probability down. [14:50:17] apsdehal: btw in your email to wikitech-l more specificity might be helpful - like, what error you're seeing [15:00:36] sumanah: ok I will specify that [15:00:46] reminder to folks to update https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2014/May much as I must now [15:01:28] so, Wikimania is coming up in several weeks and it would be cool if people who are going would lead hands-on sessions during the tutorials [15:02:01] Even if you're not good at teaching now, the only way to get better is to practice. And it's a good way to start growing the skills you'll need to be a better technical leader. So I would suggest you consider leading something, even if it's just a half-hour that follows one of our preexisting templates.... lemme find some.... [15:02:18] * sumanah looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Tutorials [15:02:32] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training [15:02:44] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Writing_Tutorial [15:02:58] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_%28users%29/Tutorial [15:03:07] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/HTMLForm/tutorial [15:03:22] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua/Tutorial [15:03:54] Teaching is kind of like installation + dependency management [15:04:14] you have to run a bit of diagnostics to figure out what is already "installed" in your student's head, and then install that first [15:04:54] and then it's good to have little exercises the students do -- they are like unit tests to check for understanding of each concept [15:05:16] I think a lot of our preexisting tutorials are like that and you can just grab that and use it as a syllabus [15:06:39] Krenair: I think there will be people at the event who could use help converting existing templates to Lua, if you feel interested in doing that, or in writing simple gadgets - we already have tutorials you can work off of [15:08:34] Actually Lua is an area I've hardly touched. I looked at it briefly a couple of years (ish) back but not much since. [15:08:50] (currently looking at the others) [15:10:10] Nod. [15:13:39] softplay: What do you have it set to? [15:13:51] softplay: Ignore me, I forgot to scroll... [15:15:16] Hi. So, I have an instance of mediawiki running on wamp server installed on a server for LAN clients. It was running fine for the past few weeks. This morning, I installed release 1.23. The wiki loads fine if I remote desktop into the server, but if accessed from any of the clients, it displays only content and no formatting (e.g. the vector theme is gone and everything is displayed as a though it were a webpage from the 90s.) Help? [15:18:41] How to change Twinke summary? [15:19:46] Kolega2357, Ask the Twinkle devs? [15:19:58] Krenair Where? :) [15:20:25] Kolega2357, this is #mediawiki. You can get help with the MediaWiki software here. We are not very good at supporting third party software like Twinkle [15:21:32] Kolega2357, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle#Quick_info [15:22:15] Jwoods1: That's weird! Hmmm. so I'm wondering what extensions you have installed and where the images live on your system [15:23:08] Jwoods1: can you tell why things aren't loading if you look at the net tab in developer tools? [15:23:53] Well, I have two wikis that I'm running... A live one and a production one. The live one has only the default extensions and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Restrict_access_by_category_and_group [15:26:43] The network tab was everything as "OK" in status [15:27:51] sumanah, so I feel like I could help a couple of people individually with these subjects, but perhaps not 'lead a tutorial' [15:28:17] Ooh, there is a programme up for Wikimania already? [15:28:45] Krenair: ok. Just wanted to give you the idea. You may want to offer yourself up as a free-floating in-room helper for tutorials other people lead, and see whether you want to give it a go next year [15:28:57] yes, that sounds like a good idea [15:29:23] Well, I managed to fix it, thought I don't understand fully what happened. I rebooted the machine that the wamp server runs on instead of just restarting WAMP. [15:29:27] *though [16:28:47] Please could I (george.bateman16@gmail.com) have the editbugs permission? [16:32:04] GKFX: sure, hold on [16:32:22] GKFX: out of curiosity, what will your first bug edit be? [16:34:35] I don't know, but I reported a bug with the new Bugzilla user form (v. minor) and I thought it would be nice to be able to contribute properly. [16:36:37] Thank you GKFX! [17:05:27] @seen csteipp [17:05:41] I remembered the correct prefix the first time! yay! [17:05:49] @ping csteipp [17:05:53] ok, that's not right [17:05:59] the command to ping me when he shows up [17:09:08] sumanah: @notify [17:09:14] Thanks MatmaRex [17:09:18] @notify csteipp [17:12:43] hi fhocutt! [17:12:55] good morning sumanah! [17:13:03] /afternoon [17:13:03] fhocutt: Hope you and Seattle are doing well? [17:13:25] yes, I amglad to be back and to have slept. [17:14:13] how are you? [17:14:22] I'm all right. Underslept and may need to nap later. [17:14:35] fhocutt: so today I learned about http://computeranonymous.org/us_seattle.html [17:15:13] also you will see in your inbox another intro email to a Seattle-area programmer I know who has been looking for someone to pair program with - she was in Hacker School in the most recent batch I believe [17:15:25] I figure you can also introduce her to Seattle Attic [17:15:25] yes! I have been meaning to get there but have had conflicts with all the recent meet-ups :P [17:15:30] nod nod nod [17:15:31] yes! [17:15:50] also fhocutt my WCUSA talk made BoingBoing (sidebar, but still) http://boingboing.net/2014/06/05/how-wikipedia-can-become-a-no.html [17:15:58] congrats sumanah! [17:16:15] :) I give them ~1.5 tips a year via Submit A Link and they usually take them. [17:16:21] (Cory does anyway) [17:17:20] neat. [17:17:39] and fhocutt as you can see on http://planeteria.org/wfs/ I blogged about our conversation a bit [17:19:17] * fhocutt grins [17:21:08] fhocutt: ok! so I know you & Merlijn will be working together tomorrow. In the interim is there anything you need from me? [17:22:05] sumanah: So I'm planning to continue evaluating Python client libraries, and as I do this I'll be figuring out what the evaluation looks like. [17:23:02] sumanah: so the standard is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Gold_standard and now that I'm looking at it to evaluate, it certainly has a lot of bullet points! [17:23:42] Any suggestions for format of my evaluations/ways that this can not take inefficiently long? [17:25:15] I know that I will get faster as I do these, but I worry that if I just go through bullet point by bullet point I will get caught up on getting minutiae to work. [17:25:24] thoughts? [17:27:38] * sumanah thinks [17:28:33] fhocutt: I think it is worth evaluating one (1) bullet point by bullet point. If it eats some time then it eats some time. Check in with yourself at the end of the day and see how far you have gotten [17:28:43] (I mean, one (1) library) [17:29:12] sumanah: ok. I started with simplemediawiki, which is mostly a logins/cookies/syntactic sugar library [17:29:15] cool [17:29:35] so I will keep going with that and take note of how that work is going. [17:29:57] Make sense to you? [17:30:27] yep. Let me see if I have more specific questions re: the standard. [17:31:36] Rock [17:34:33] because simplemediawiki doesn't handle abstractions the design/efficient usage questions are mostly n/a, but those may be tricky to evaluate for other libraries because they are so subjective. [17:36:15] sumanah: so I will tackle those aspects of wikitools or mwclient after simplemediawiki and probably check those with the technical mentors [17:36:35] and also note how long it takes/how frustrating it is. [17:37:20] fhocutt: OK! Sounds good to me. If you give us a checkin email at the end of your day today then we can calibrate how long it took you [17:37:31] ok, sounds good. [17:37:34] and figure out whether to ask you for less scrutiny on the next ones [17:38:08] hi csteipp! how are you today? [17:38:28] sumanah: I'm so sorry I missed our meeting! [17:38:40] csteipp: I understand. Can we do it later today? [17:38:59] sumanah: I am becoming *slightly* concerned about getting everything I'd planned done by the 8-week mark, with WikiCon and OSB [17:39:07] Perhaps 1:30 your time csteipp? [17:39:35] sumanah: but we can reevaluate at the end of next week, possibly, and see how things are looking. [17:39:35] fhocutt: understood and acknowledged. At the end of this week let's reevaluate and see whether we have to cut a language, for instance [17:39:43] great minds think alike! :) [17:39:46] sumanah: sounds good. [17:40:10] ok, off to get things done! [17:40:16] this is 1 good thing about how we structured the summer. Even if disaster befalls us and we have to cut TWO languages, you are still doing very useful work and have cleared the ground for someone else to do the other 2 [17:40:18] bye fhocutt [17:40:52]