[04:31:43] <sumanah>	 hi fhocutt 
[04:32:18] <fhocutt>	 hi sumanah!
[04:32:56] <sumanah>	 I'm sorry I haven't been available the last few days
[04:33:01] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: (on IRC I mean)
[04:33:15] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: does now work for vidchat? or do we need to wait till 10?
[04:33:27] <fhocutt>	 now works for me!
[04:33:32] <fhocutt>	 let me headphone up
[06:29:05] <N3oXid>	 Hello everyone.
[06:29:16] <N3oXid>	 I'm looking for help regarding the installation of VisualEditor on my own Wiki: can't get it working.
[06:30:03] <N3oXid>	 When I click on the modify link, nothing happens.
[06:53:39] <Juandev>	 hi
[06:54:00] <Juandev>	 I wonder why special:activeusers doesnt show all active users. how does it come?
[06:54:25] <bawolff>	 Juandev: Which users are missing
[06:54:56] <bawolff>	 It might skip bots and people who are active due to "wikidata" edits, but otherwise it should show all the users
[06:55:03] <bawolff>	 possibly with a small delay due to caching
[06:56:04] <Juandev>	 bawolf can you see here: https://cs.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD%3AAktivn%C3%AD_u%C5%BEivatel%C3%A9&limit=50&username=&hidebots=1
[06:56:20] <Juandev>	 this user: https://cs.wikiversity.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:P%C5%99%C3%ADsp%C4%9Bvky/Kenjiro995
[06:56:21] <Juandev>	 ?
[06:56:56] <Juandev>	 because, I dont see him, there
[06:58:17] <N3oXid>	 Has someone already installed VisualEditor and got it working?
[07:03:35] <Juandev>	 bawolff: :-)?
[07:07:03] * bawolff not sure
[07:08:24] <Juandev>	 he he, thats why ask here on the channel, whether it is bug, leak or normal behaviour because "something"
[07:09:01] <Juandev>	 well, we may wait a week, maybe it will work after some time
[07:11:10] * bawolff leaning towards bug
[07:11:30] <bawolff>	 But i might just be missing something obvious as I'm getting a little sleepy
[07:12:30] <bawolff>	 hmm, the cache date on the page says 8 minutes, so it really shouldn't be a cache thing
[07:15:07] <Juandev>	 sure
[07:15:39] <Juandev>	 I would understand  the feature doesnt show recent contributors, but this...
[07:17:46] <bawolff>	 yeah, I think there's a bug somewhere
[08:30:35] <Nemo_bis>	 I don't like the editnotice "Please do not post support questions here." https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Extension:Translate/Installation&action=edit&section=new
[09:06:49] <mago_>	 hey! we are using mediawiki in my company, a lot of different departments are adding pages and the page names are starting to collide. What is the appropriate solution here? Spawn multiple instances of mediawiki, or use namespaces?
[09:12:09] <N3oXid>	 "A custom namespace can be used to hold content that should not be shown on the search results page, for example pages that are used only for transclusion." 
[09:12:39] <N3oXid>	 Don't think namespace is the appropriate solution.
[09:13:55] <N3oXid>	 What about the categories?
[09:17:23] <legoktm>	 mago_: namespaces sounds like a useful way to distinguish pages
[09:17:30] <mago_>	 well, categories doesn't prevent collisions in the namespace
[09:19:18] <mago_>	 for example, a lot of pages we have are for different projects. so people start creating pages named things like "Project Information" or "Getting started guide", referring to that particular project. Perhaps each project should have their own name space? Or should you apply a naming convention? So you prefix all page names with ProjectName-Getting Started? The downside with namespacing using the title is that .. well, the title looks ugly
[09:31:22] <legoktm>	 mago_: you can have subpages, so ProjectName/Getting Started
[09:31:31] <legoktm>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subpages
[09:36:59] <Juandev>	 mago_: what about breaket distinguishing and hiding from th tittle?
[09:37:38] <Juandev>	 N3oXid: categories sounds technically good, but are they user friendly?
[09:38:23] <mago_>	 Juandev, breaket what?
[09:38:40] <Juandev>	 the problem of mediawiki is, you cannot have two pages with same name, so what about to manipulate page titles and h1? but that would need some programming
[09:39:18] <mago_>	 Juandev, i thought the whole point of namespaces is just that .. to have to pages with the same title
[09:39:25] <mago_>	 how do you manipulate page titles and h1?
[09:39:27] <Juandev>	 mago_: page 1: Marketing (DPT), page 2: Marketing (hfg)
[09:40:09] <Juandev>	 mago_: there is an extension for h1 manipulation
[09:41:39] <mago_>	 perhaps it is just easier to run a new instance? i mean, thats what wikipedia is doing, they have a separate instance for each language
[09:41:54] <mago_>	 it is kind of like doing 1 instance per department within a company
[09:42:04] <Juandev>	 mago_: that might be also the way
[09:42:37] <Juandev>	 mago_: I think what is important for you is the purpose, for what purpose is the wiki used and not to do it userunfrendly and difficult to your users
[09:44:36] <Juandev>	 there are multiple ways how to solve the problem: new wiki instalation, brackets, namespace, subpage naming, prefix naming, uniq naming
[09:46:49] <Juandev>	 mago_: there is an extension, which may help users to found same pages, but you can preset path, so they are founded e.g. like subpages of a general topic
[09:47:48] <Juandev>	 e.g. user A will Create the page Marketing, User B to, but it may be someting like "Marketing/User A", "Marketing/User B"
[09:48:34] <Juandev>	 which is this one: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox
[09:51:02] <Juandev>	 h1 manipulation can go with {{DISPLAYTITLE:Lorem ipsum}}
[09:52:01] <Juandev>	 aha legoktm already said that:-)
[10:21:31] <albertcoder>	 Hello! I was applying JOINS on tables in mediawiki. Here is the code https://gist.github.com/albertcoder/e5073b732a2ecfa2b12c
[10:21:57] <albertcoder>	 and I am getting this error "Error: 1052 Column 'id' in on clause is ambiguous (localhost)"
[10:22:50] <Reedy>	 IIRC you need to list wiki_material in the tables array
[10:23:15] <Reedy>	 as otherwise it's not currently included in the query when it's tried to be built
[10:23:22] <Reedy>	 'wiki_material.id=mat_id'
[10:23:56] <albertcoder>	 sorry Reedy Let me explain the problem I am facing.
[10:24:58] <albertcoder>	 The link I have shared above outputs correct results but if I use this as 10th line " 'wiki_material.id=mat_id' ) ) )"
[10:25:08] <albertcoder>	 It gives the above error that I had mentioned.
[10:25:19] <Reedy>	 yes
[10:25:25] <Reedy>	 because you're introducing a new table
[10:25:38] <Reedy>	 randomly in the middle of a join
[10:26:15] <Reedy>	 As an aside, using "id" as a column name isn't really good practise. You should prefix it with something (hell, you might want to prefix all the columns in a table)
[10:26:30] <albertcoder>	 Reedy, wait! I think I have messed up my own doubt.
[10:29:45] <albertcoder>	 The link I shared refers to correct code but the official tutorial "http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_access" I followed for joins in MW had like this 'id=mat_id' ) ) ) which is equivalent to 10th line in my code.
[10:29:56] <albertcoder>	 Hope I made it clear now. :)
[10:30:48] <albertcoder>	 I had to use 'wiki_material.id=mat_id' ) ) ) to avoid that error.
[10:33:10] <albertcoder>	 Reedy, this error arises because I have "id" in both table "material" and table "boiling point".
[10:33:35] <Reedy>	 so qualify the usages
[10:33:42] <albertcoder>	 You can see my database design here http://202.164.53.122/~albertcoder/images/fdb.JPG
[10:34:05] <albertcoder>	 I have used "id" as the primary key of each table.
[10:34:31] <albertcoder>	 So I cannot edit "id" in all the tables.
[10:35:15] <Reedy>	 Having multiple tables with columns named exactly the same is just going to cause you pain
[10:35:55] <Reedy>	 With that design, you're also going to end up with N tables to cope with N properties
[10:35:59] <albertcoder>	 So you suggest to give unique column names for the primary key of each table, right?
[10:36:08] <Reedy>	 Not just for the primary key
[10:36:12] <Reedy>	 Prefix all the columsn
[10:36:27] <Reedy>	 den_id, den_value, den_mat_id, den_timestamp
[10:36:46] <albertcoder>	 Yea that would be fine.
[11:03:09] <albertcoder>	 hello Amgine ! I think Reedy is away, did you understand the problem I am facing?
[11:03:42] <mago_>	 if I do a hierachy of categories, like MainCategory -> SubCategory, and a page ABC becomes a member of SubCategory, is there anyway I can make the category links displayed on ABC shows the hierachy? Basically, instead of [[Category:SubCategory]] showing up as just a link to SubCategory, it would show a links to both MainCategory and Subcategory?
[11:05:18] <albertcoder>	 compare the 2nd and 10th line here https://gist.github.com/albertcoder/e5073b732a2ecfa2b12c , my doubt will be clear. This code works fine.
[11:06:26] <albertcoder>	 It is the different names of tables that I have to use that make me uneasy.
[11:07:45] <Reedy>	 wiki_material still isn't an included table
[11:08:35] <albertcoder>	 Reedy, I didn't get. Please make it clear.
[11:09:29] <Reedy>	 wiki_material.id
[11:09:40] <Reedy>	 that's saying the id column of the wiki_material table
[11:10:35] <Reedy>	 Are you using table prefixes?
[11:10:58] <albertcoder>	 Yes during installation I was asked
[11:11:10] <albertcoder>	 So I used wiki_ as my prefix.
[11:11:12] <Reedy>	 You shouldn't hard code it like that
[11:12:20] <Hello71>	 win 42
[11:12:22] <Hello71>	 lose 42
[11:12:38] <Reedy>	 net 0
[11:12:53] <albertcoder>	 Reedy, Yes it's just a demo. I will do consider.
[11:13:45] <albertcoder>	 But do I really need to give prefix like the one I have given during installation?
[11:13:53] <Reedy>	 Yes
[11:13:57] <Reedy>	 Well, in that case you do
[11:14:16] <Reedy>	 When you pass just the table name like you did as the first parameter, mediawiki will adjust the table names to account for the prefix
[11:14:34] <Reedy>	 when it's given 'wiki_material.id=mat_id', it's essentially impossible for it to know it needs to do that
[11:15:24] <Reedy>	 "{$dbr->tableName( 'material' )}.id=mat_id"
[11:16:15] <albertcoder>	 Let me try this.
[11:16:27] <albertcoder>	 Well I have gotten your point.
[11:18:14] <albertcoder>	 wow! Thanks reedy that worked. :)
[12:16:50] <Fenyx4>	 Hiya. The person that setup the wiki put a custom namespace on id 501. So the wiki thinks it is a talk page. There are already a handful of pages on it. How can I fix this? Can I just change the id?
[12:19:31] <Fenyx4>	 (Huh, looks like he had a 500 and then removed it later? But it was a completely unrelated namespace...)
[12:20:18] <PiRSquared>	 Are there any pages in 500?
[12:21:30] <Fenyx4>	 It doesn't look like it.
[12:51:11] <Fenyx4>	 I fixed it up. Thanks.
[13:58:15] <DangSunM|cloud>	 I need help
[13:58:26] <DangSunM|cloud>	 Is there is mass-deletion script?
[13:59:30] <Carmela>	 !e Nuke
[13:59:30] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[13:59:34] <Carmela>	 !spam
[13:59:34] <wm-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[15:10:50] <retentiveboy>	 Looking for some design input on an extension.  (http://goo.gl/xudI7q)  Looking for a way to pass both tabular data and config details to a tag.  The config info gets used to build a JSON structure with multiple levels so simple key=value isn't enough.  The idea is for the tag to output a <div> and a <script> with code that fills the <div>.  See the example at http://goo.gl/LcAZ3f.
[15:17:06] <sumanah>	 Today I'm giving a practice version of my one-hour "A Few Python Tips" talk as a Wikimedia tech talk, and it will be livestreamed on YouTube at 12:30pm Pacific/3:30pm Eastern.
[15:17:16] <sumanah>	 https://plus.google.com/events/c4rjtirsfsn0am6jqhpjob6eakc
[15:17:23] <sumanah>	 I will be presenting a few tips to help you work effectively with Python, such as pip for package management, debugging tips, and my favorite modules. This talk is aimed at experienced programmers who are accustomed to other scripting languages, and secondarily to new programmers for whom Python is their first language. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-06-19 for the details of what I'm covering.
[15:22:17] * YuviPanda won't make it, but sends sumanah good wishes for the talk.
[15:22:32] <sumanah>	 Thank you YuviPanda 
[15:22:41] <YuviPanda>	 :)
[15:27:49] <Amir1>	 sumanah: hi, Can you record it so I'll download it later?
[15:28:11] <sumanah>	 Amir1: it will be recorded.
[15:28:47] <Amir1>	 sumanah: thank you, Can I find it in mediawiki channel?
[15:29:00] <sumanah>	 I don't know
[15:29:04] <sumanah>	 ask Rachel Farrand
[15:29:19] <Amir1>	 !seen rferrand
[15:29:19] <wm-bot>	 Did you mean @seen rferrand?
[15:29:30] <Amir1>	 @seen rferrand
[15:29:30] <wm-bot>	 Amir1: I have never seen rferrand
[15:29:52] <Amir1>	 @seen rfarrand
[15:29:52] <wm-bot>	 Amir1: Last time I saw rfarrand they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. N/A at 6/17/2014 9:54:41 PM (1d17h35m11s ago)
[15:40:47] <SamB>	 is N/A where the channel would be?
[15:40:52] <SamB>	 @seen Amir1
[15:40:53] <wm-bot>	 SamB: Amir1 is in here, right now
[15:41:25] <Amir1>	 SamB: Can I help you?
[15:41:53] <SamB>	 no, I was just wanting to see what the bot said about someone who hadn't just quit the network ...
[15:42:08] <SamB>	 or, that is, last been seen quitting
[15:46:36] <wmat>	 wtf, running update.php isn't doing anything
[15:46:55] <wmat>	 no error, no output, just returns to a command prompt immediately
[15:47:08] <wmat>	 and my wiki is sitting at a blank page :(
[15:48:08] <PiRSquared>	 !blankpage
[15:48:08] <wm-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[15:50:24] <wmat>	 there's a parse error in LocalSettings.php on line 1025, but the file is only 1024 lines long
[15:51:07] <SamB>	 wmat: maybe it just means at EOF?
[15:51:25] <SamB>	 i.e. an unclosed brace or something?
[16:00:26] <wmat>	 probably, but finding it is the problem
[16:01:04] <wmat>	 that's what it is though, as the error is "syntax error, unexpected end of file....on line 1025"
[16:02:05] <MatmaRex>	 yeah, PHP is known for "helpful" error messages
[16:02:16] <MatmaRex>	 wmat: do you have an editor with syntax highlighting? that should help tremendously
[16:03:13] <PiRSquared>	 wmat: are you missing parentheses, quotes, semicolon, bracket?
[16:04:29] <wmat>	 searching now
[16:08:02] <jeffo>	 is there a method i can use to convert a plus sign to an underscore? My use case is that i have an external app that i can create a custom link to my wiki, but the problem is it passes the page name with the character + as a space in the url instead of the underscore, which is what mediawiki uses for spaces... and i have no way to do replace() script operation before it reaches the wiki
[16:08:51] <jeffo>	 maybe i could run a 2nd vhost that just has a script that redirects after replacing the + signs but i was thinking there might be something more elegant
[16:10:30] <MatmaRex>	 jeffo: pluses are used in percent-encoding, the app probably wants to pass the page title as a URL parameter
[16:10:38] <MatmaRex>	 e.g. example.com/w/index.php?title=<title goes here>
[16:11:21] <jeffo>	 nah
[16:11:38] <jeffo>	 it's taking a string with spaces and passing it to my wiki as Name+Goes+Here
[16:11:59] <theding0>	 Anybody savvy with ImageMagick in MW? Getting an error message saying it can't create thumbnail. It's saying libpng16.so.16 doesn't exist when it is located in /usr/local/lib
[16:13:34] <Automatik>	 Hi
[16:13:38] <Automatik>	 I'm searching the function's name to display a temporary message in the right top corner of the window. Do you know what I'm talking about?
[16:13:49] <PiRSquared>	 you mean JS?
[16:14:11] <Automatik>	 a function of the mediaWiki js object
[16:14:43] <PiRSquared>	 it's not mw.notify, is it?
[16:16:53] <PiRSquared>	 yes, it is
[16:17:30] <PiRSquared>	 jeffo: why can't you link to index.php?title=Name+Goes+Here ?
[16:17:47] <PiRSquared>	 that's the same as index.php?title=Name_Goes_Here
[16:18:36] <PiRSquared>	 Automatik: does mw.notify( 'text' ) work for you?
[16:18:39] <Automatik>	 Thanks :) how to display a message in the wiki format?
[16:19:08] <Automatik>	 That's I didn't find
[16:20:37] <MatmaRex>	 Automatik: you'd have to use the localisation messages api, which includes a basic wikitext parser.
[16:21:03] <MatmaRex>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Messages_API#Using_messages_in_JavaScript
[16:21:23] <MatmaRex>	 or maybe https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.Message is a better link
[16:27:47] <plise>	 How to move ULS trigger into an arbitrary position so that it still showed the currently displayed language interface (changed when you change the interface) ?
[16:29:31] <Queeniebee>	 Hello, I'm trying to get a listing of all pages within the 'Special' namespace using its id, but I keep getting an error. I've used MWClient and the url query. How do I make a request for a negative id?
[16:31:43] <PiRSquared>	 The special namespace doesn't work the same way as other NSs. You'd need to use a different query
[16:31:58] <Queeniebee>	 PiRSquared: What is that query?
[16:32:05] <PiRSquared>	 I'm not sure :/
[16:32:09] <jackmcbarn>	 i don't think there's an equivalent to Special:Specialpages in the api. i think /w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=specialpagealiases is as close as you'd get
[16:33:56] <PiRSquared>	 does that include specials with no extra alias?
[16:34:04] <PiRSquared>	 it seems to
[16:34:22] <jackmcbarn>	 i think every special page has at least 1 alias, or the i18n people would have whined about it
[16:34:40] <Nemo_bis>	 indeed
[16:35:05] <Nemo_bis>	 though OpenStackManager is currently missing NovaInstance and perhaps others, if someone wants to send a patch :)
[16:35:28] <Queeniebee>	 Can I ask what is an alias and why do pages within the special namespace need one?
[16:35:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Queeniebee: so that the special page name can be translated but the "original" still redirects to it
[16:36:22] <Nemo_bis>	 Speciale:Cerca redirects to Speciale:search on an it wiki
[16:37:09] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages
[16:37:16] <PiRSquared>	 Queeniebee: this is probably the best way to do it with the API.  Another way might be to get search suggestions for special:, but that would be a horrible hack
[16:38:01] <Queeniebee>	 Thank you for the link Nemo_bis 
[16:40:47] <Nemo_bis>	 ChangeTags::addTags( 'tor', $recentChange->mAttribs['rc_id'], $recentChange->mAttribs['rc_this_oldid'], $recentChange->mAttribs['rc_logid'] );
[16:41:00] <Nemo_bis>	 that's so unfriendly :P
[17:11:39] <wmat>	 I feel like I'm looking for a needle in a haystack :(
[17:12:30] <wmat>	 when PHP parses LocalSetting.php, what signals the EOF?
[17:16:01] <bawolff>	 wmat: When the file ends?
[17:16:32] <wmat>	 heh, that's what I figured
[17:16:47] <bawolff>	 wmat: If you're getting errors about unexpected EOF, often that can be an unclosed quote
[17:17:08] <bawolff>	 Try putting your LocalSettings.php in a syntax highlighter, and see where the colours start to go astray
[17:17:18] <wmat>	 yeah, I'm searching through my LocalSettings now
[17:17:28] <wmat>	 I have syntax highlighting on in vim
[17:33:48] <PiRSquared>	 if you just put it in a pastebin (passwords redacted) we could probably find the error very quickly
[17:55:35] <wmat>	 thx, but I went with a backup while I try to figure out, so my wiki is up and running again
[18:29:26] <sumanah>	 About an hour till my tech talk on Python
[18:43:10] <monpauvrelieu>	 hello.
[18:44:15] <monpauvrelieu>	 I would know how to add a link to the root of the site who contains the wiki, in the sidebar
[18:45:08] <monpauvrelieu>	 when I tried to paste http://monpauvrelieu.info on the page MediaWiki:Sidebar, nothing displayed
[18:58:08] <MatmaRex>	 monpauvrelieu: the sidebar requires certain format
[18:58:09] <MatmaRex>	 !sidebar
[18:58:09] <wm-bot>	 To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit page [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] on your wiki using its special syntax (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar for details). If you need more control, you can use the SkinBuildSidebar hook (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinBuildSidebar).
[19:01:40] <theding0>	 Having an issue with Lua in MW 1.22.6. In a template I imported, I'm seeing "Script error" with message Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module `ustring' not found.
[19:07:07] <monpauvrelieu>	 Thank you, it works :D
[19:13:22] <Juandev>	 hello
[19:14:17] <ete>	 is mediawiki.org down for everyone?
[19:14:38] <MatmaRex>	 ete: yes
[19:14:46] <Juandev>	 ete: I see I am not alone, who is experiencing problems with mw database
[19:14:48] <theding0>	 works for me
[19:14:56] <ete>	 scheduled or unexpected?
[19:15:02] <MatmaRex>	 see #wikimedia-operations
[19:15:05] <jorm>	 it's a cluster outage.
[19:15:07] <jorm>	 they're working on it.
[19:15:17] <ete>	 okay
[19:15:34] <ete>	 I'll just use the google cache for now then,
[19:15:42] <monpauvrelieu>	 it's up for me
[19:15:52] <theding0>	 ohp. i lied
[19:15:54] <MatmaRex>	 yeah, it looks like it should be up already
[19:16:14] <ete>	 how long's it been down for?
[19:16:27] <MatmaRex>	 like, a minute?
[19:16:50] <ete>	 right :)
[19:16:58] <ete>	 not too bad hopefully then
[19:17:03] <Technical_13>	 MatmaRex: still not up... I'm watching in ops, and it shouldn't be long I expect
[19:17:05] <jorm>	 more like four or five
[19:17:06] <monpauvrelieu>	 down now
[19:17:21] <monpauvrelieu>	 only the wiki
[19:17:31] <monpauvrelieu>	 the blog.mediawiki.org works
[19:18:04] <jorm>	 that's not in the cluster.
[19:39:07] <wmat>	 got my wiki working again, but now getting a Lua error: Lua error: Cannot create process: proc_open(/dev/null): failed to open stream: Operation not permitted
[19:46:38] <Vulpix>	 wmat: is the server chrooted? PHP open_basedir restrictions?
[19:47:22] <wmat>	 Vulpix: I don't believe so.  All I did was restore LocalSettings.php and this error returned.
[19:48:32] <wmat>	 I have root on the box though, and php.ini doesn't show any proc_open restrictions
[19:48:49] <wmat>	 open_basedir is commented out
[19:50:08] <wmat>	 this is killing me as all pages using Navbox are now broken
[19:50:34] <wmat>	 I know I've seen this before though
[19:57:38] <wmat>	 switching back to luasandbox seems to fix the problem
[19:58:17] <jackmcbarn>	 wmat: if luasandbox is available, use it. it's better anyway
[19:58:33] <wmat>	 jackmcbarn: oh? I didn't know that.
[19:58:50] <wmat>	 perhaps the Scribunto page should recommend it
[21:36:25] <Juandev>	 looks mw is online again
[22:54:58] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: congrats on your graduation. I'd be interested in some kind of "compressing my grad education into 45 min" tech talk ;-)
[22:55:06] <sumanah>	 like "master's in CS: the good parts"
[22:59:02] <RoanKattouw>	 haha
[22:59:06] <RoanKattouw>	 That sounds interesting
[22:59:18] <RoanKattouw>	 I can probably do that but not in the next month or so
[22:59:34] <RoanKattouw>	 I have an OSB talk in 5 days that I need to work on, for one thing :)
[23:01:03] <sumanah>	 :)
[23:35:00] <jayvdb>	 mw now has an API for listing contributors (action=query&prop=contributors) , but it isnt listed on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Properties . How would I determine what mw version it was added in?
[23:36:43] <Krenair>	 git log?
[23:37:23] <Krenair>	 Author: Brad Jorsch <bjorsch@wikimedia.org>
[23:37:23] <Krenair>	 Date:   Thu Nov 14 16:07:52 2013 -0500
[23:37:27] <Krenair>	     API: Add prop=contributors
[23:38:29] <Reedy>	 That committed, not submitted?
[23:38:46] <jayvdb>	 ya well, that works on a deep clone, to tell me it landed.
[23:39:32] <jayvdb>	 ya, im more interested in 'how on earth would an average user help write the missing part of the documentation since the devs are lazy bums :P'
[23:42:26] <jayvdb>	 I cant see it mentioned in any of the relnotes, but only scanned and searched for 'contributors'
[23:42:52] <bawolff>	 --pretty=fuller gets date submitted
[23:43:53] <bawolff>	 CommitDate: Tue Jan 7 04:09:47 2014 +0000
[23:44:35] <bawolff>	 based on git show e06ad6841901df5829:RELEASE-NOTES-1.23 I would say this first appeared in MediaWiki 1.23.0
[23:45:15] <bawolff>	 And the commit did add a line to release notes
[23:45:25] <bawolff>	 !git e06ad6841901df582
[23:45:26] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki development is using git, a distributed source control manager, starting on March 21st, 2012; details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_happens Instructions for using it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow To get an account: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Labsconsole_accounts
[23:45:32] <bawolff>	 !gerrit e06ad6841901df582
[23:45:32] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,e06ad6841901df582,n,z
[23:47:27] <jayvdb>	 great. thx bawolff . I'll add a section to the API documentation