[00:58:35] I just switched $wgLanguageCode from 'en' to 'sr'; how does MW know the namespace 'alias' for File is Датотека? [00:59:24] Because it's defined in the Language files? [01:19:37] what is page_links_updated exactly in the page table? The documentation doesn't elaborate. Does it include external links? [01:25:58] notconfusing: pagelinks is [[internal]] wiki links. [01:26:06] notconfusing: There's a separate tracking table for external links. [01:26:16] External links are http://foo.com and [http://foo.com] and such. [01:26:25] That's the externallinks table. [01:32:24] Carmela, is there something that keeps track of when those are laste updated on a page? [01:32:41] externallinks table does not, and seems that page table does not either [01:32:48] No. [01:32:50] They're not timestamped. [01:32:55] The categorylinks table alone has a timestamp field. [01:32:58] But it's wonky. [01:33:16] ok, so i just have to track page_touched, for a best guess [01:33:25] Yes. [01:33:28] Or query last edit date. [01:33:41] page_touched is a guess, as you say. [01:35:05] legoktm: I was fielding the questions in here. [01:35:14] yes sorry for multiple rooms [01:35:20] notconfusing: So, yeah, page_touched will be a rough estimate. [01:35:31] when is a page_touched but not edited? [01:35:39] !m Page table [01:35:39] There are multiple keys, refine your input: magicwords, mailarchive, mainpage, mainpagetitle, maintenance, man, manapi, maps, master, math, maxlag, mediawiki, meetings, memcached, memory, memoserv, meta, migrate, mime, mleb, moderation, moin, monday, moo, morbo, move, mssql, multiplecommits, multiplewiki, mw, mwbot, mw-config, mwdumper, mwhelp, mysql, [01:35:43] !man Page table [01:35:43] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Page [01:35:45] it's when a page is updated, so if a template is updated that the page uses, page_touched gets updated [01:35:46] Nailed it. [01:35:53] After all these years... [01:35:56] !man Page_table [01:35:56] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Page_table [01:36:07] legoktm: I don't think that's true. [01:36:12] I think it's only updated for a manual re-parse. [01:36:13] ok, so page_edit is a subset of page_touched [01:36:19] no it's updated for more [01:36:22] page_edit sounds made-up. [01:36:23] Title::invalidateCache [01:36:53] !moo [01:36:53] mw-bot does not have Super Cow Powers [01:36:58] Good to know. [01:37:05] Also, you're named wm-bot these days. [01:37:29] oh, there isn't an edit time, only a touched time [01:37:37] There's an edit time. [01:37:40] Many edit times, usually. [01:37:43] They're just in the revision table. [01:37:57] You can use page.page_latest to map to revision.rev_id, I think. [01:38:20] are edits considered touches? [01:38:22] Or you map page.page_id to revision.rev_page. [01:38:25] Yes. [01:38:44] ok, then that is sufficient, i just want to know the last time anything happeend at all to the page [01:38:44] Edits and fake ("null") edits will update page_touched. [01:38:53] It allegedly updates in other cases, but those two are for ceratin. [01:38:55] certain, even. [01:38:58] Carmela: youve been so helpful [01:39:13] Anything at all includes someone saving just the text, but not changing anything. [01:39:22] So if you click edit, press "save page", you'll update page.page_touched. [01:39:37] now it's varbinary, so i can just provide an int for the timestamp, right? [01:39:54] It's the timestamp. [01:40:02] Just not using a timestamp field for stupid historical reasons. [01:40:20] It's YYYYMMDDhhmmss format. [01:40:35] It's not time since epoch. [01:40:38] If that's what you're asking. [01:41:12] ok, i can provide YYMMDDhhmmss [01:41:40] YY isn't very programming friendly. [01:43:55] Carmela: you're right, sorry, was being lazy [01:50:42] An image description page ( in sr ) is showing {{#SWITCH: |#default=Vikimedijina ostava |dat=Vikimedijinoj ostavi }} is that supposed to happen? [01:54:28] That's not really valid markup. [01:54:32] So probably. [01:54:46] It's not saying what to {{#switch:}}. [01:54:51] The switch part is " ". [01:54:55] Which is basically nothign. [01:54:57] nothing, too. [01:55:52] well I'll report it just in case [01:56:00] it isn't misconfiguration or somethiing [01:58:24] Report it to the person who added the code? Sounds reasonable. [01:58:48] I don't think it's a bug in MediaWiki, it's just invalid markup, as far as I can tell. [09:32:54] MatmaRex: wow, user comes back to Wikipedia after years and sees Vector for the first time, comment: "looks like an hospital". https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Pareri_su_Wikipedia&oldid=66566895#Eccovi_il_mio_parere [09:43:05] heh [10:09:08] Hi [10:10:13] I need help. If you are, or were, involved with any Occupy movement, please pm me. [10:12:31] Help [10:27:27] Okay. [10:28:01] Maybe another time somebody might become curious when I say such things. [11:28:50] * Nemo_bis reports johnkyblue to the NSA: "a competitor!" [11:51:23] How to purge resource loader cache? Changes in JS don't get reflected sometimes. [12:15:24] kunalg: ?debug=true should give you the most up to date version of everything cached by RL if you need to test something [12:25:41] Nikerabbit: does it also fix any of those two bugs? :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/136796/ [12:34:28] is there a way to automatically mark as patrolled pages from a specific namespace? [12:53:55] Bloupfuh: all of them, with no exception? [13:03:06] Danny_B: Hola. Remember when I visited Prague you gave me a Czech Republic nature-themed memory game produced by WMCZ? I played it yesterday with my nieces and they loved it. [13:28:12] Nemo_bis: yeah. all of them in a specific namespace. no exception [13:30:08] Bloupfuh: isn't it easier to disable RC Patrol on that ns then [13:30:17] (Can't remember how to do it though) [13:31:24] yes of course, but haven't found how to do it - nothing about it there http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits that's why I'm asking ; will keep looking though [13:40:00] I'm asking if there are a possibility to add the symbol in External links to another wiki?. [13:41:11] For example look to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey#External_links [13:42:37] you will find Beside each link, a symbol that express that this link is external. [20:30:11] When I see an external link in English Wikipedia, I see beside it a symbol that refer that this link is external. [20:30:39] yes, and? [20:31:18] Is there a possibility to active this property in another wiki? [20:31:42] it should be on by default [20:31:54] If you ask which wiki, I'll said it's Arabic Wikipedia. [20:32:12] what link syntax is it? [20:32:12] any external link should automatically have the icon [20:32:43] [www.stuff.somthing linkname] or [[something|something]] [20:33:17] See this page for example: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%83_%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7#.D9.88.D8.B5.D9.84.D8.A7.D8.AA_.D8.AE.D8.A7.D8.B1.D8.AC.D9.8A.D8.A9 [20:33:57] It's an external links but there are no icons beside it. [20:34:36] it looks like ar.wikipedia has custom css to hide the icon [20:35:43] You mean that the problem is here: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A:Common.css [20:36:30] yes [20:38:00] since it is being overridden there, you would need to discuss the ability of adding it back with the admins there [20:39:59] OK thanks, I'll discuss this with an admin there. [20:40:47] I thought that the problem is not in the AR wiki. [20:43:41] Ahmed_Sammour, entirely reasonable, it is very strange for an individual wiki to hide stuff like this [20:45:28] Krenair: There is only one admin who is very talented with css and java script. [20:46:20] The strange thing that this stuff was hidden without discussion!. [20:47:48] Yeah. [21:07:01] almost all the icons were removed from core though [21:07:47] weird, you should have a message by me on talk but you don't [21:09:03] we had not identified the code used there then [21:25:25] Hi guys. Any idea how we can avoid a such large space between subpage listing? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN [21:26:03] LOWN/1 and LOWN/2 [21:26:03] are too far from each other [21:26:20] wget: remove the spacing around {{ [21:27:16] Betacommand: Seems like it doesn't change anything. [21:29:33] wget: then its probably caused by the transclusion of a special page [21:30:44] Betacommand: Or maybe, MediaWiki adapt automatically the link according to the space available on the page. See here, it's pretty narrow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages#Displaying_subpages [21:31:42] wget: it probably requires a minim space allocation which your not getting on your wiki [21:44:30] Nemo_bis: I think there are no problem in this page: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A:Common.css [21:44:58] I'm talking about external links icon. [21:50:17] The icon (symbol) is hidden in all appearances (vector, modern and monobok) [22:43:53] Tim-away: When you get here, you should tell me how to make my key as big as yours - https://www.mediawiki.org/keys/keys.html [22:44:21] Tim-away: I'm probably going to be nicked to SigmAway, because I'm a quarter of a planet away from you [22:48:47] * SigmaWP glares at legoktm