[00:52:49] <LuckDuck>	 What would the mediawiki equivalent to mysql_fetch_assoc be? No documentation anywhere describes anything beyond reading/writing to the database.
[00:54:19] <LuckDuck>	 https://dpaste.de/OiBX < Something like that
[00:57:03] <LuckDuck>	 I'm trying to dump all of the results from a query; no luck.
[00:59:44] <MatmaRex>	 LuckDuck: $dbr = wfGetDb(DB_SLAVE); $result = $dbr->select(…); var_dump($result)
[01:01:49] <LuckDuck>	 MatmaRex: That dumps loads of random text - Include my SQL password! and username!
[01:02:25] <LuckDuck>	 *ignore the random !*
[01:02:42] <MatmaRex>	 LuckDuck: well, the result object contains more information than just the query result
[01:02:55] <MatmaRex>	 foreach($result as $row) { var_dump($row); }
[01:03:01] <MatmaRex>	 this might be closer to what you want i guess
[01:05:30] <LuckDuck>	 That did the trick. I guess if you decide to do a straight up dump then it prints EVERYTHING related to getting that data? Ouch.
[01:06:19] <MatmaRex>	 yeah
[01:24:07] <Morbus>	 is there anyway to shorten file names or remove file sizes shown on the default category galleries, i.e., http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Invertebrates?
[01:25:20] <Rosencra_>	 I'm getting errors with PDFs and MW 1.23
[01:33:09] <Morbus>	 ah, apparently, it's showBytes in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgGalleryOptions
[01:36:51] <Morbus>	 beautiful.
[01:36:53] <Morbus>	 thanks! ;)
[02:37:21] <LuckDuck>	 I've still been attempting away, no suck luck. Mediawiki's not accepting mysql_fetch_array & friends. Is there not any solution?
[02:37:30] <LuckDuck>	 *such ...
[06:56:48] <DrSlony>	 Hi, I have a mainly English wiki, a few people would like to translate it into French and German. What is the easiest way to enable translations? Second question, should the translated pages be called e.g. Fr/Color Management or Color Management/Fr or does it not matter?
[06:57:30] <DrSlony>	 To be specific, i dont care about the language of the interface, i just want to give people access to the translated pages. 
[06:59:18] <legoktm>	 !e Translate
[06:59:18] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
[06:59:25] <legoktm>	 DrSlony: try using ^
[06:59:43] <legoktm>	 the extension uses "Page name/[langcode]" so Page name/fr
[07:01:34] <DrSlony>	 also wanted to mention i have no shell access
[07:06:33] <legoktm>	 DrSlony: hm, do you have FTP access?
[07:07:18] <legoktm>	 worst case, you can just create pages named "Page name/fr" and have users just manually translate them
[07:38:38] <Ashish>	 Can anyone help with $wgHooks['PageContentSaveComplete'] hook
[07:38:42] <Ashish>	 It does not working
[07:38:54] <Ashish>	 Here is code for reference http://pastebin.com/xZk8Bmi7
[07:53:29] <MaxSem>	 Ashish, after saving, you get redirected so doing anything UI related from this hook makes no sense
[07:54:32] <Ashish>	 MaxSem, How then I can make it work ?
[07:55:06] <MaxSem>	 use some other hook or pass some URL parameter on redirection
[07:59:19] <Ashish>	 MaxSem, I think this could help "ArticleUpdateBeforeRedirect" ?
[07:59:40] <MaxSem>	 probably
[07:59:59] <MaxSem>	 sorry, I need to go to bed soon
[08:00:54] <Ashish>	 Okay Sure...thanks for help 
[09:28:17] <Djain>	 Hi!
[09:28:58] <Djain>	 I am using MobileFrontend extension with the extension that I am working on : BookManagerv2
[09:29:27] <Djain>	 I want to enable js and css modules for my extension
[09:30:29] <Djain>	 I enabled those modules using EnableMobileModules hook.
[09:31:06] <Djain>	 I am using jquery.ui.autocomplete as one of the dependencies
[09:31:34] <Djain>	 and I get this error: Uncaught Error: Unknown dependency: jquery.ui.autocomplete
[09:32:02] <Djain>	 Any help?
[10:02:13] <legoktm>	 Djain: in the RL module definition, it has to have 'targets' => array( 'desktop', 'mobile' )
[10:02:24] <legoktm>	 but they don't want jquery.ui loaded on mobile because its big
[10:02:54] <legoktm>	 you might want to talk to someone in #wikimedia-mobile about it, they're pretty helpful
[10:03:30] <Djain>	 ok thanks
[11:18:46] <sDrewthedoff>	 a question about the new magic work {{!}} (replacement for template.  Why didn't they just create the magic word {{|}}?
[11:19:22] <sDrewthedoff>	 seems weird way to hack to overcome a hack
[11:19:35] <sDrewthedoff>	 s/work/word/
[11:22:30] <legoktm>	 sDrewthedoff: because | isn't a valid page title character, so it's not a valid magic word thing either.
[11:25:00] <sDrewth>	 I will just say 'okay', obviously some arcane knowledge there that escapes me
[11:25:03] <sDrewth>	 thx
[12:19:36] <Qcoder00>	 question
[12:20:12] <Qcoder00>	 Is there an extension which lets me use counters ?
[12:20:33] <Qcoder00>	 I.E template/magic word like entites which automatically increment when used many times...
[12:20:45] <Qcoder00>	 The thought was to have a syntax like  {{
[12:22:14] <Qcoder00>	 *like {{#start:var}} ... {{#i:var}}..{{#i:var}}..{{#end:var}} ?
[12:23:26] <Qcoder00>	 This would assist some tasks at Wikisource.
[12:24:47] <Morbus>	 Qcoder00: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Counter
[12:26:26] <Qcoder00>	 That looks broadly like what I was lokign for thanks
[16:06:07] <BartlomiejB>	 Hi
[16:07:22] <sumanah>	 hi BartlomiejB 
[16:07:32] <sumanah>	 welcome - how is your MediaWiki experience going? :)
[16:26:10] <kunalg>	 anomie: Hi, did you have a look at the new patch, is this what is expected?
[16:26:14] <kunalg>	 anomie: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/143025/
[16:27:10] <anomie>	 kunalg: Haven't had a chance to review it, but I see you rearranged the patches which is good.
[16:27:25] <kunalg>	 anomie: Ok
[17:27:04] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: a combination of weird wifi and slow things and headphones mean maybe we should continue here
[17:27:07] <sumanah>	 I'm sorry
[17:27:14] <fhocutt>	 ah, ok, that works
[17:28:49] <Austriano_>	 How can I automatically create an article, when a user registers on my wiki? sorry for my bad english...
[17:35:16] <sumanah>	 sorry fhocutt - ok, on to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations !
[17:37:52] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: so the simplemediawiki I think has not changed too much but I see you took my suggestions and the wording is a little kinder ;-)
[17:38:00] <fhocutt>	 yes :)
[17:38:16] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: now looking at wikitools and mwclient and Pywikibot
[17:38:35] <sumanah>	 as I look, fhocutt, I wonder - do you have a secret favorite? although I guess if you say it here, it's not a secret
[17:38:55] <sumanah>	 "i love all my children equally"
[17:39:28] <fhocutt>	 hah! My secret favorite, which does not meet the standard, is wikitools, although the fact that it is GPL3 may cause license compatibility problems
[17:39:43] <fhocutt>	 mostly because the code is beautifully readable and it uses API calls very efficiently
[17:39:43] <sumanah>	 wikitools is packaged for Fedora and not Debian! will wonders never cease. (more clearly: I find that unusual, but maybe I should not)
[17:40:20] <fhocutt>	 I would bet that it has to do with the maintainer's dev environment :)
[17:40:25] <sumanah>	 I agree :)
[17:40:34] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: the "Well documented" section in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations/wikitools seems to have some inconsistencies in the bullets?
[17:40:44] <sumanah>	 oh no, now I get it
[17:41:02] <sumanah>	 maybe if you use : to indent the "answers"/"grades" for each bullet I would understand more clearly
[17:41:58] <sumanah>	 you can use multiple colons  :::: to indent more and more
[17:42:06] <fhocutt>	 hm, what do you think now?
[17:43:42] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: that feels easier for me to read, thanks! you may wish to make this change to all your sub-bulleted lists ..... did you ever use the "definition list" tag in HTML? (wow I am dating myself)
[17:44:06] <fhocutt>	 no, I don't actually have much html experience
[17:44:25] <sumanah>	 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dl
[17:44:44] <sumanah>	 basically it was good for pages that were, like, glossaries
[17:44:46] <fhocutt>	 ah, I see
[17:45:07] <sumanah>	 I am not gonna make you yakshave by trying to figure out if there's a similar thing in wikitext, but I may do so at some point
[17:45:48] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I know you are still drafting, but I will mention that I personally like consistent use of markup to mark things like   Wiki.setUserAgent   as code
[17:46:01] <fhocutt>	 ty!
[17:46:06] * sumanah is still on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations/wikitools
[17:46:56] <sumanah>	 ok! overall I like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations/wikitools . Now on to /mwclient
[17:48:52] <sumanah>	 "The documentation is not complete; the section on Generators, in particular, would be very helpful for a less experienced Python developer who is trying to understand the underlying structure of the library." fhocutt I find this confusing - is there a missing "not"?
[17:49:29] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: there are confusing gaps in the documentation
[17:49:39] <sumanah>	 oh
[17:50:19] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: you get why I was confused there?
[17:50:32] <fhocutt>	 I think so, will rework that
[17:50:40] * sumanah could also give tiny Sumana-would-say-it-differently prose style suggestions but only when requested
[17:50:50] <sumanah>	 they do not impair transmission of meaning or courtesy
[17:51:53] <fhocutt>	 your suggestions do not, you mean?
[17:52:58] <sumanah>	 I mean the sentences I would talk about are currently fine - they convey info fine and they are courteous
[17:53:02] <sumanah>	 sorry
[17:53:12] <sumanah>	 "It is confusing that the user calls page.edit() to retrieve the text of a page, and page.save(...) to edit the text of a page. Consider deprecating/renaming these functions for clarity." - OMG WOW thank you for saying that. I had not known this. What a pain!
[17:53:37] <fhocutt>	 I know! Bad UX there. 
[17:54:03] <fhocutt>	 that's the sort of thing you have to note so strongly in the docs that you really should save people the cognitive resources
[17:54:04] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: the more I read these the more I appreciate the summary you give of what is good about each child, I mean, library
[17:54:17] <fhocutt>	 yeah? :)
[17:54:18] <sumanah>	 "monday's child is fair of ux"
[17:54:29] * sumanah is in a super silly mood
[17:55:05] <fhocutt>	 "Tuesday's child is clear and pep8y"
[17:55:56] <sumanah>	 so fhocutt I figure you have the pywikibot TODOs up top for a reason (in that it's inconsistent with the other evals, where the TODOs are at the end) - I am curious
[17:56:06] <fhocutt>	 oh, actually I don't
[17:56:18] <fhocutt>	 thank you for pointing that out, the reason is that I was Done With This
[17:56:27] <sumanah>	 hahahaha
[17:56:42] * sumanah attempts to model Assume Good Faith ;-)
[17:57:04] <fhocutt>	 changed
[17:57:12] * fhocutt grins
[17:58:35] <sumanah>	 back in a moment
[18:03:37] <sumanah>	 sorry fhocutt - was moving around
[18:03:39] <sumanah>	 back
[18:04:17] <fhocutt>	 hi sumanah
[18:04:51] <fhocutt>	 anomie, does it work for you to push back looking at Perl libraries until sumanah and I are done here?
[18:04:52] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I like your pywiki suggestions and I think it's good
[18:04:59] <sumanah>	 I think I personally am done!
[18:05:05] <fhocutt>	 ok, cool! 
[18:05:15] <sumanah>	 hi anomie and hope it's cooler where you are than where I am.
[18:05:20] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Sure
[18:05:41] <sumanah>	 also anomie we should totally schedule a week for me to come visit you and cowork, if that's of interest to you ..... we do not have to do it now
[18:05:45] <fhocutt>	 thanks for looking those over. Could you also take a look at the template email I drafted to the library maintainers?
[18:05:50] <anomie>	 sumanah: 93�F according to my weather widget
[18:05:58] <sumanah>	 aieeee!
[18:06:06] <sumanah>	 anomie: as in, we don't have to schedule it now, and it certainly won't happen now
[18:06:14] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: will do right now!
[18:06:20] <fhocutt>	 ty!
[18:07:04] <anomie>	 sumanah: Interesting suggestion, although we'd have to figure out logistics.
[18:07:06] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: one more thing to add to that email: thank them for their work
[18:07:08] <sumanah>	 anomie: certainly
[18:07:21] <fhocutt>	 right! 
[18:08:24] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: other than that, ""I have prepared a "gold standard"[1] to be used to
[18:08:25] <sumanah>	 find and advertise" could be wordsmithed
[18:08:58] <fhocutt>	 mm, ok
[18:10:06] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: because the standard is not actually what you will use to advertise...... youknowwhatimean
[18:10:09] <ehazen>	 I have installed mediawiki and am attempting to connect to it using localhost/mediawiki/  I am receiving a 403 Forbidden error.  Does anyone have any idea of what might be causing this?  Any troubleshooting steps i should follow?
[18:10:17] <sumanah>	 !debug | ehazen 
[18:10:17] <wm-bot>	 ehazen: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[18:10:24] <sumanah>	 those tips may help ehazen 
[18:10:35] <ehazen>	 thanks i'll check it out!
[18:10:46] <fhocutt>	 sumanah, gotcha
[18:11:02] <fhocutt>	 anything else?
[18:11:04] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: and my last note: "the issue tracker" - linking or specifying (GitHub or whatever) will be good
[18:11:06] <sumanah>	 that's it from me
[18:11:25] <fhocutt>	 great, thanks! 
[18:12:25] <fhocutt>	 today I will make those changes, check in with Merlijn on these, and start looking at the Perl libraries
[18:12:52] <sumanah>	 cooool 
[18:12:54] <sumanah>	 see ya!
[18:12:57] <fhocutt>	 later! 
[18:14:28] <fhocutt>	 anomie, does looking at https://github.com/gitpan/MediaWiki-API and/or https://github.com/MediaWiki-Bot/MediaWiki-Bot in ~10 min or so work for you?
[18:14:35] <anomie>	 fhocutt: ok
[18:15:28] <fhocutt>	 anomie: thanks!
[18:24:51] <fhocutt>	 anomie: got some time now?
[18:24:57] <anomie>	 fhocutt: yes
[18:28:23] <DrSlony>	 legoktm yes, i have ftp, thank you for helping
[18:34:33] <fhocutt>	 looking at the codebase itself now
[18:34:55] <fhocutt>	 what's going on with the tests here? https://github.com/gitpan/MediaWiki-API/tree/master/t
[18:36:31] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Looks like the only tests there are checking whether everything is documented
[18:36:42] <fhocutt>	 ok
[18:36:59] <fhocutt>	 useful, if not for the code itself
[18:38:24] <fhocutt>	 looks like pretty much everything is in API.pm: https://github.com/gitpan/MediaWiki-API/tree/master/t
[18:38:30] <fhocutt>	 not that one
[18:38:34] <fhocutt>	 https://github.com/gitpan/MediaWiki-API/blob/master/lib/MediaWiki/API.pm
[18:41:03] <anomie>	 fhocutt: Yeah. MediaWiki-API looks like a relatively low-level interface (but still handling continuation and tokens at least), then MediaWiki-Bot has a bunch of higher-level functions.
[18:41:22] <fhocutt>	 yeah. 
[18:41:50] <fhocutt>	 do they look like good Perl, at a first glance?
[18:42:05] <anomie>	 Well, continuation for list modules; it doesn't seem like it has support for continuing prop modules
[18:43:42] <anomie>	 Seems decent; I'm not really familiar with coding styles for Perl, really. Rather than various _hashref parameters I might want to see actual hashes, but that's not really a big issue.
[18:44:11] <fhocutt>	 what's the difference between the two?
[18:44:43] <anomie>	 Whether you call it as "foo( { Key1 => Value1, Key2 => Value2 } )" or "foo( Key1 => Value1, Key2 => Value2 )"
[18:45:39] <fhocutt>	 hm, ok
[18:47:03] <fhocutt>	 huh, this isn't actually that long, it just has lots and lots of comments
[18:47:12] <fhocutt>	 is that usual for Perl modules?
[18:47:49] <anomie>	 If they use POD documentation it can be
[18:49:30] <fhocutt>	 ok, so it handles tokens, nice
[18:52:09] <fhocutt>	 could you help me unpack what's going on in list?
[18:52:20] <fhocutt>	 https://github.com/gitpan/MediaWiki-API/blob/master/lib/MediaWiki/API.pm#L556
[18:53:39] <fhocutt>	 does it just make an API call with a given query, then see if there are continuations to be had? I'm not sure what hook is doing
[18:54:32] <fhocutt>	 looks like it's something that gets passed in to options?
[18:54:45] <anomie>	 It looks like it has the option for the caller to provide a callback function that gets called for each query, instead of accumulating the whole result set in an array and returning it.
[18:55:16] <fhocutt>	 could you expand on that? 
[18:55:34] <anomie>	 i.e. you'd set 'hook' to some function foo(), and it calls "foo( $results )" for each batch fetched from the API.
[18:56:19] <anomie>	 If you don't pass a hook function, it just merges the results for all the batches into one array and returns that at the end.
[18:56:40] <fhocutt>	 so it's for if you want to process the results in small batches instead of having a giant array to deal with?
[18:57:02] <fhocutt>	 is that mostly a performance helper?
[18:57:14] <anomie>	 Yeah, looks like it
[18:58:11] <fhocutt>	 useful, ok
[18:58:47] <fhocutt>	 that's what I have for now on this one, anomie
[18:58:52] <fhocutt>	 thanks for your help.
[18:58:56] <anomie>	 You're welcome
[18:59:30] <fhocutt>	 is it ok if I email or ping you here when I run into confusing bits while I'm doing the Perl evaluations?
[19:00:59] <anomie>	 Yes, feel free
[19:01:31] <fhocutt>	 tyvm!
[19:33:40] <Rosencra_>	 Is anyone familiar with the IRCColourfulRDFeedFormatter class?
[19:51:03] <MatmaRex>	 !ask | Rosencra_
[19:51:03] <wm-bot>	 Rosencra_: Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :)
[19:52:23] <Rosencra_>	 Well, in the getLine function, what are $feed and $actionComment for… I looked around at the code, and I'm not quite sure myself.
[19:52:37] <Rosencra_>	 Other than $feed looks like it does something with interwiki prefixes
[19:53:22] <Reedy>	 IRCColourfulRDFeedFormatter doesn't exist ;)
[19:53:33] <Reedy>	 IRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter
[19:53:43] <Rosencra_>	 yeah yeah yeah, fat finger ;)
[19:54:05] <Vulpix>	 use copy-paste :)
[19:54:20] <MatmaRex>	 Rosencra_: the documentation says " @see RCFeedFormatter::getLine", have you tried looking there?
[19:54:24] <MatmaRex>	 !class IRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter
[19:54:24] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classIRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter.html
[19:54:27] <MatmaRex>	 !class RCFeedFormatter
[19:54:27] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classRCFeedFormatter.html
[19:54:47] <MatmaRex>	 https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/interfaceRCFeedFormatter.html *
[19:55:18] <Reedy>	 It's various options
[19:55:36] <Reedy>	 see RecentChanges.php line 389 onwards
[19:56:02] <Reedy>	 Just the IRC formatter doesn't use most of them
[19:56:16] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/includes/changes/RecentChange.php#L389
[19:56:17] <Vulpix>	 is wm-bot incognito? :P
[19:56:56] <Reedy>	 And for the documentation https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/includes/DefaultSettings.php#L5600
[19:58:45] <Rosencra_>	 Ahhh ha!
[19:59:26] <MatmaRex>	 @seen petan
[19:59:26] <wm-bot>	 MatmaRex: Last time I saw petan they were quitting the network with reason: *.net *.split N/A at 7/1/2014 4:22:14 AM (1d15h37m12s ago)
[19:59:32] <Rosencra_>	 Thanks!
[20:31:42] <Reedy>	  * As of MediaWiki 1.22, the only supported 'engine' parameter option in core
[20:31:42] <Reedy>	  * is 'UDPRCFeedEngine', which is used to send recent changes over UDP to the
[20:31:42] <Reedy>	  * specified server.
[20:31:44] <Reedy>	 sigh, bug 1
[20:32:13] <Krenair>	 ?
[20:32:32] <Reedy>	 1.22 has RedisPubSubFeedEngine
[20:35:11] <Krenair>	 I blame https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80958/
[20:59:42] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: valhallasw has suggested separating out the TODOs into what are effectively "technical" and "social"
[20:59:56] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: Hmmm!
[21:00:06] <fhocutt>	 so stuff that requires code changes vs. stuff like improving/deciding the level of maintenance, fostering a hospitable community
[21:00:19] <sumanah>	 Hmmmmm
[21:00:45] <sumanah>	 is he particularly optimistic about the chances of any of them happening? ;-)
[21:00:47] <fhocutt>	 I like it, but I'm concerned that the nontechnical suggestions will be automatically discounted. any suggestions on phrasings to avoid that?
[21:00:58] <fhocutt>	 hah! I am not sure about that. 
[21:01:00] <sumanah>	 is his reasoning that "this makes them easier to understand" or "easier to advocate" or what?
[21:01:08] <fhocutt>	 easier to understand in the list
[21:01:15] <fhocutt>	 in that like is grouped more with like
[21:01:19] <sumanah>	 right
[21:02:13] * sumanah is thinking
[21:06:03] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I say it's worth going, and that it is also worth asking Merlijn to specifically back you up onlist and say "yes we should be doing these things including (doc/communication/friendliness/etc)"
[21:06:23] <sumanah>	 I mean, it's worth doing - it will make the list easier to understand if like is grouped iwth like
[21:06:30] <fhocutt>	 right, ok
[21:06:44] <sumanah>	 but yes, you are right about the risk
[21:07:36] <fhocutt>	 I will ask all of the mentors, for when I'm emailing results to mediawiki-api-l etc. 
[21:08:28] <sumanah>	 all right
[21:11:21] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: any suggestions on titles for the social todos?
[21:11:31] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: "process"
[21:12:47] <fhocutt>	 yess thank you
[21:14:16] <fhocutt>	 where do docs go? Process? 
[21:14:21] <sumanah>	 yeah
[21:14:25] <fhocutt>	 k
[21:14:28] <sumanah>	 imo
[21:14:32] <fhocutt>	 that will beef it up, too
[21:14:38] <sumanah>	 yuppppp
[21:15:00] <sumanah>	 does this even count as deviousness
[21:15:21] <sumanah>	 it's all ux design
[21:15:23] <sumanah>	 everything
[21:17:16] <fhocutt>	 everything is, seriously
[21:20:39] <sumanah>	 cscott: bounding boxes for default-sized thumbnails - the conversation I saw stopped Jun 2. should it restart on wikitech-l ?
[21:21:09] <cscott>	 i'm rather busy with other projects at the moment. can we defer it for a month or so?
[21:21:13] <sumanah>	 I may be super out of touch and it may be obsolete, apologies
[21:21:19] <sumanah>	 cscott: up to you!
[21:23:54] <sumanah>	 cscott: I updated the thread and I'll check in again with you in a month. Best wishes re your other projects!
[21:24:05] <cscott>	 thanks
[21:51:41] <Seranok>	 if I have an image, say Test.png, is there a way I can link directly to the image? like http://example.org/RawFile:Test.png
[21:51:49] <Seranok>	 and that will return the image?
[21:51:58] <MatmaRex>	 Seranok: [[Media:Test.png]]
[21:52:11] <bawolff>	 If you need it in a url, User Special:FilePath
[21:52:16] <bawolff>	 s/User/Use
[21:53:24] <vanila>	 hiya
[21:53:35] <vanila>	 what's the minimal linux distro i can run mediawiki on?
[21:55:12] <Reedy>	 What do you mean?
[21:56:34] <vanila>	 I want to make a VM to run mediawiki in
[21:56:43] <vanila>	 and I'd like to make it as small as possible
[21:57:42] <Reedy>	 in disk space?
[21:57:58] <vanila>	 yeah
[21:58:38] <Reedy>	 pick a distro with a decent enough package manager
[21:58:41] <Reedy>	 do a minimal install
[21:58:57] <Reedy>	 then just install only the packages you need
[21:59:46] <vanila>	 ok thanks :)
[22:00:18] <Seranok>	 bawolff: so like example.org/Special:Test.png?
[22:00:30] <bawolff>	 not like that
[22:01:03] <bawolff>	 like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/Example.png
[22:01:18] <bawolff>	 But if you're just writing in wikitext use media namespace
[22:01:49] <bawolff>	 And if you're writing a script, you can figure out what the url for a file is by taking the first two digits of the md5 sum of the file name
[22:02:02] <bawolff>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:redirect/file/Example.png also works
[22:02:12] <Seranok>	 how do you know this
[22:03:31] <bawolff>	 Seranok: you mean how do you know the md5 sum?
[22:03:39] <Seranok>	 i don't want to do an md5 sum lol
[22:03:50] <Seranok>	 i mean how do you know this stuff
[22:03:59] <Seranok>	 i could not find it on google
[22:04:42] * bawolff has spent a lot of time with MediaWiki
[22:05:25] <bawolff>	 Seranok: This is the developer irc channel for mediawiki, so many of the people here are the people who make mediawiki, and we know lots of things
[22:05:51] <bawolff>	 And we're also bad at documenting things, so they sometimes don't show up on google ;)
[22:22:44] <Betacommand>	 bawolff: want to squash a quick bug?
[22:23:00] <bawolff>	 When people say that, its never quick :P
[22:23:05] <bawolff>	 But which bug?
[22:23:10] <Betacommand>	 bawolff: yes it is
[22:23:18] <Betacommand>	 bawolff: see bug 63326
[22:23:19] <sumanah>	 hey I think Wikimedia is an OpenID provider https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/484454739371782144 - am I right?
[22:24:03] <sumanah>	 sorry, tweet is a friend asking who the non-Google OpenID providers are
[22:24:08] <sumanah>	 recommended ones anyway
[22:24:31] <bawolff>	 hmm, are we? There was talk about being one, but I don't remember if we actually ever did it
[22:24:44] <legoktm>	 sumanah: no, we're not
[22:24:47] <sumanah>	 ok thanks legoktm 
[22:24:55] <Krenair>	 sumanah, see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13631
[22:24:58] <legoktm>	 one day we will be hopefully
[22:24:58] <SamB>	 I was gonna suggest trying to use it to log into Stack Overflow or something
[22:25:26] <SamB>	 launchpad is an OpenID provider
[22:27:44] <bawolff>	 Betacommand: Looking into it. Basically I just have to resurect thedj's patch I think
[22:27:58] <Betacommand>	 bawolff: pretty much :P
[22:31:50] <Betacommand>	 bawolff: When I say a patch is easy it normally is
[22:32:12] <sumanah>	 oh wow https://launchpad.net/ last blog post in 2012 :(  my spouse used to work on that project
[22:33:58] <sumanah>	 thank you SamB! https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID now I know
[22:36:15] <bawolff>	 Too bad we're not an open id provider. That'd be really cool
[22:37:02] <sumanah>	 nod
[22:37:05] <sumanah>	 thx all
[22:38:49] <SamB>	 I'm assuming the OpenID URL would be basically your userpage on the wiki of your choice?
[22:39:20] <kunalg>	 bawolff: Hi
[22:39:45] <bawolff>	 Hi
[22:40:23] <bawolff>	 SamB: User's can be renamed, so we might not want to do that
[22:40:30] <kunalg>	 bawolff: Needed some suggestion here, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/137915/ (I knew I will get a -1 there :P)
[22:40:41] <SamB>	 bawolff: oh, true
[22:40:43] <bawolff>	 I think OpenID extension already does something else involving the user's id
[22:41:09] <Seranok>	 so when I am trying to scrape a page on a MediaWiki site it's returning this HTML page which sets the cookie
[22:41:22] <Seranok>	 how do I disable this cookie redirect page?
[22:42:41] <bawolff>	 kunalg: I'll look after I finish looking at the block patch
[22:42:54] <bawolff>	 Seranok: As a general rule, have you tried using the api instead
[22:42:57] <kunalg>	 bawolff: Sure :)
[22:43:46] * bawolff doesn't even want to know how a user named "Apitestuser" got registered on my wiki. Some test must not be using a cloned db...
[22:45:51] <legoktm>	 bawolff: some test that extends ApiTestCase isn't setting @database
[22:48:19] <Seranok>	 bawolff: i am trying to get the raw contents of a page
[22:48:32] <Seranok>	 from my reading it doesn't seem like the API would help with that
[22:49:31] <bawolff>	 Seranok: prop=revisions&rvprop=text
[22:49:34] <bawolff>	 or something like that
[22:56:29] <Seranok>	 bawolff: even if i use said api, still have the same problem: requires cookies
[22:56:56] <bawolff>	 Default MW does not require cookies for logged out users
[22:57:24] <bawolff>	 Other sites may do other things with extensions
[23:03:15] <TennaFox>	 Might as well try here - Would anybody happen to know the answer to this - The question on the top there woth two replies?: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk- Both my partner and I have been0,00 going round and round with that, it's frustrating.
[23:03:53] <TennaFox>	 Er, did it just censor out a piece of my post or is that just my client?
[23:04:03] <bawolff>	 TennaFox: Not just you
[23:04:17] <bawolff>	 maybe you accidentally hit the colour button
[23:04:26] <Reedy>	 yeah, colour
[23:05:29] <bawolff>	 TennaFox: The "Mediawiki equivalent to mysql/mysqli fetch_array?" question?
[23:09:15] <TennaFox>	 bawolff: Yes. My partner is assisting me in porting over a simple blog applet I wrote to Mediawiki, and it's been a real pain getting that paticular function to work.
[23:09:41] <TennaFox>	 The full (More or less main) question/explaination is in the 2nd reply.
[23:10:36] <bawolff>	 Ok. I'll respond over there in case anyone else is looking at the question
[23:11:37] <TennaFox>	 Thank-you bunches, I'm rarely driven to complete insanity.
[23:19:51] <bawolff>	 TennaFox: Does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Mediawiki_equivalent_to_mysql/mysqli_fetch_array%3F/reply_(3) help
[23:20:26] <TennaFox>	 Let me try that out...
[23:21:26] <TennaFox>	 Question - Where does $categories come from?
[23:21:40] <bawolff>	 TennaFox: The previous person's answer makes slightly more sense if you assume that $out is an instance of OutputPage (e.g. like $wgOut or $context->getOutput() ), and $out->addHTML is somewhat close to an echo
[23:22:05] <bawolff>	 I just declared it as a temporary variable before the loop ( $categories = array(); )
[23:22:50] <bawolff>	 It's just a holder to put all the results in one array
[23:31:54] <TennaFox>	 bawolff: It seems to be working - Yet it all results appear as NULL when var_dumped. Oddly, it gets the count right - Just not the actual data.
[23:33:31] <bawolff>	 TennaFox: What's the name of the column in the db for categories
[23:34:05] <bawolff>	 Ah, I think I misread your post
[23:34:14] <TennaFox>	 At this point in time, it's no longer "category" but "tag".
[23:34:40] <TennaFox>	 (I made proper modifications to your example)
[23:34:48] <bawolff>	 I thought it was post_categories for some reason
[23:35:22] <bawolff>	 Anyways, the line $categories[] = $row->post_categories; should be $categories[] = $row->tag; (or whatever the column name is)
[23:35:43] <TennaFox>	 Oh, haha. My fault for not spotting that!
[23:36:50] <TennaFox>	 And there it is! I'll try to commit that to memory. Thanks to you, we're one step closer to proper news distribution.
[23:37:12] <bawolff>	 Glad to help
[23:37:28] <bawolff>	 Just for reference, MW has a category feature built in
[23:38:24] <bawolff>	 And there's extensions that already exist for making an rss feed based on most recently added thing for a category
[23:38:28] <bawolff>	 In case that's what you are doing
[23:40:41] <TennaFox>	 Yeah, but in this case I felt it should operate seperaly from the way pages do - That might get confusing when you view the category's page. I haven't tried yet, but I'm sure creating an RSS feed wouldn't be too difficult. It's not anything I've messed with yet though.