[03:41:06] <lukasoft>	 Hello everyone! I am trying to get mediawiki to load the correct page after logging in for a restricted page. In my case it returns you to the no access page. Can I make it follow the link after a log on, or at least the previous page the user was at?
[06:57:05] <sarefo>	 hi, I upgraded from 1.19 to 1.23, and updated most extensions. most stuff works, but I need to fix some stuff yet. one example: "Warning: Parameter 3 to renderCreatebox() expected to be a reference, value given in <wikipath>/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 4019".
[06:57:15] <sarefo>	 I am not sure if this is extension-related.
[06:58:35] <devunt_>	 have you run the update.php script?
[06:59:04] <sarefo>	 from the mw-config web interface
[06:59:31] <sarefo>	 I also get a random string UNIQ65985ffb3c880833-createarticle-00000000-QINU on some pages.
[11:18:44] <Jango_____>	 Hi, does anyone know how to make type::quantity in semantic media wiki sort numerically? I think it's sorting alphabetically at the moment.
[12:07:48] <Silox|>	 Hello there! I want to use redirect in the manner of returnToMain, is that possible?
[12:08:32] <Silox|>	 I now have `$wgOut->returnToMain( null, $returnto, $returntoquery );`, but I'd like that the user gets redirected automaticly without having to click a link
[12:24:47] <Silox|>	 Ah, found it.
[12:24:54] <Silox|>	 Why is my `$title->mArticleID` always < 0?
[12:40:04] <sumanah>	 I'm writing a quick personal blog post about why people should try logging into Wikipedia. I'm already going to mention:
[12:40:05] <sumanah>	 VisualEditor
[12:40:05] <sumanah>	 turn off the fundraising banners
[12:40:05] <sumanah>	 gadgets
[12:40:05] <sumanah>	 language stuff
[12:40:06] <sumanah>	 Beta features
[12:40:08] <sumanah>	 Mobile stuff
[12:40:14] <sumanah>	 what else should I mention?
[12:49:25] <andre__>	 sumanah: people could contact you via your talk page as IPs can be dynamic. Not sure if that's an advantage though :P
[12:49:39] <sumanah>	 andre__: Indeed. :)
[12:50:16] <sumanah>	 andre__: I think "easier to collaboratively improve topic coverage with other people via WikiProjects" is something I could mention though!
[12:56:07] <Nemo_bis>	 WikiProjects are exactly the thing one doesn't need registration for
[12:56:18] <Nemo_bis>	 as they have their own talk pages
[12:56:48] <sumanah>	 Nod
[12:57:05] <sumanah>	 Nemo_bis: ok! now that you have ceremonially shot down something I said, I request a replacement idea. :)
[13:00:19] <Nemo_bis>	 sumanah: I put my best ideas on the wiki, always https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Logging_in#Why_log_in.3F
[13:00:33] <sumanah>	 Looking.
[13:01:28] <Nemo_bis>	 And then there is my personal definition of unregistered user https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Musings_about_unregistered_contributors
[13:01:37] <sumanah>	 I'm presuming most of the people I'm talking to rarely or never edit
[13:01:42] <Nemo_bis>	 «the very concept of unregistered/anonymous user as we know it (lack of a stable identity with clear boundaries: no stable user page, talk page, contribution list, watchlist), which can be considered a feature or a disadvantage (usually a disadvantage for newbies; often a refreshing feature for worn-off oldbies);»
[13:02:14] <sumanah>	 which means I may remove VE entirely from my post
[13:06:27] <sumanah>	 hi anomie!
[13:06:35] <anomie>	 hi sumanah!
[13:44:02] <The_PHM>	 I've just installed mediawiki and I'm struggling to get the sidebarmenu extension to work ... I've installed it using composer require mediawiki/sidebarmenu and used dev-master when asked for the version.  I've added the appropriate line in the LocalSettings.php and Menus appear correct in the preview pane but they don't display at all in the actual sidebar.  Sometimes when I refresh a page I see the top level menu title briefly then it di
[13:45:17] <sumanah>	 The_PHM: your line ended with "Sometimes when I refresh a page I see the top level menu title briefly then it di"
[13:45:22] <sumanah>	 "disappears"?
[13:45:23] <Reedy>	 Which extension is that?
[13:45:36] <Reedy>	 A quick glance seems to suggest it's not in our repos...
[13:45:44] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SidebarMenu
[13:47:11] <The_PHM>	 sorry ... yes dissapears ... and yes Reedy that is the extension
[13:47:32] <Reedy>	 The page is empty
[13:47:50] <The_PHM>	 Capital B
[13:50:29] <The_PHM>	 If I use the example given at the bottom of the page all I get in the actual sidebar is : FIRE TRUCK]] nothing else shows but in the Mediawiki:Sidebar page it displays correctly
[14:10:22] <sumanah>	 ok, posted
[14:22:53] <sumanah>	 welcome back qgil 
[14:24:10] <qgil>	 hi sumanah , good morning !
[14:24:52] <qgil>	 sumanah, how are you?
[14:25:48] <sumanah>	 qgil: Could be better, could be worse. Finally posted a blog entry (personal) just now that I've been meaning to write for ages
[14:26:05] <sumanah>	 reminding my pals/readers that logging into Wikipedia gives them many cool things
[14:26:59] <sumanah>	 the titles of my blog posts seem to be getting more ornate over time and sound like seventeenth century masses, e.g., "I am bereft upon the rebuke of my master"
[14:27:08] <qgil>	 sumanah, I guess you feel that kind of relief, now that it is published
[14:27:12] <sumanah>	 yeah
[14:27:12] <qgil>	 sumanah, and :)
[14:27:14] <gleki>	 hello. what is the best way of creating a form that would fill in a table so that that table would be saved in mediawiki format?
[14:27:20] <The_PHM>	 Sorry got disconnected sumanah was that "ok posted" directed at me ? And if so what was posted where :) 
[14:27:36] <qgil>	 sumanah, I guess/hope nothing extra came to your plate because of my holidays>
[14:27:38] <qgil>	 ?
[14:27:38] <sumanah>	 hi The_PHM - check out the channel logs Channel logs: https://bit.ly/Ks9kYa 
[14:27:56] <qgil>	 I'm still catching up with email etc
[14:28:03] <sumanah>	 The_PHM: "ok, posted" was about the blog entry that I was writing and asked for suggestions about
[14:28:29] <sumanah>	 http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/07/07/0 in case you want to read it, but it won't help you with your problem
[14:29:04] <sumanah>	 qgil: I would say that I did approximately no extra work due to your holiday. This may be because I am lazy!
[14:29:14] <sumanah>	 but more seriously, I don't think anyone pinged me about anything extra
[14:29:39] <qgil>	 good -- and as I suspected
[14:29:47] <qgil>	 thank you anyway, sumanah 
[14:29:49] <sumanah>	 :)
[14:30:06] <sumanah>	 gleki: I think Semantic Forms might help you out
[14:30:23] <sumanah>	 gleki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
[14:30:51] <albertcoder>	 Can anyone help me resolve this? Whenever I try to upload any image it shows this error http://awesomescreenshot.com/09f33thrb8
[14:31:18] <sumanah>	 gleki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Authors_and_credits is who wrote it
[14:35:31] <Reedy>	 albertcoder: File permissions are wrong
[14:36:18] <albertcoder>	 Reedy, should I give 755 recursively to mediawiki?
[14:37:20] <Reedy>	 the user your webserver is running as needs write access to the images/ folder#
[14:37:54] <albertcoder>	 alright! thanks Reedy 
[16:05:20] <Cadmi>	 hello
[16:05:23] <Cadmi>	 could someone tell me a simple extension to manage users accounts please?
[16:06:30] <Nemo_bis>	 Cadmi: what sort of management
[16:16:02] <Cadmi>	 Nemo_bis i simply need a list of users and be available to add a new one, remove, or change password
[16:16:11] <Cadmi>	 (only for admin user of course)
[16:16:48] <Nemo_bis>	 Cadmi: I can't say I understand the request
[16:16:58] <Nemo_bis>	 1) To create an account, Special:CreateAccount in core
[16:17:15] <Nemo_bis>	 1-bis) To mass-create accounts, there are some extensions like InviteSignup
[16:17:30] <Nemo_bis>	 2) To change a password, use the appropriate maintenance script
[16:17:43] <Nemo_bis>	 2-bis) If you don't have shell access, use the Sudo extension?
[16:18:00] <Nemo_bis>	 3) To delete an account, try User Merge and Delete extension
[16:18:42] <Cadmi>	 Nemo_bis ok thanks!
[16:18:48] <Cadmi>	 i will do in this way
[16:27:26] <sumanah>	 hey qgil - if you own the http://www.meetup.com/SF-Web-Performance-Group/events/182182062/ page, you could update it now with slides https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Schulz-performance.pdf
[16:29:15] <qgil>	 hi sumanah , thanks!
[16:30:11] <jonyfive>	 hello
[16:30:21] <sumanah>	 hi jonyfive 
[16:30:43] <jonyfive>	 is there any way to show those paragraph symbol permalinks next to my h2 tags in mediawiki?
[16:31:15] <jonyfive>	 i have the "jump to" links that show at the top of the page, but i was hoping to also have a link next to the h2 text itself
[16:31:32] <jonyfive>	 (to make sharing a link to a given section easier)
[16:32:26] <sumanah>	 aharoni: hey, hope you are feeling well!
[16:32:39] <aharoni>	 sumanah: thanks :)
[16:32:55] <sumanah>	 jonyfive: I don't know! I don't think I have ever seen a gadget for that but I bet there is a userscript
[16:32:55] * aharoni checks for names of fingers in English
[16:33:00] <jonyfive>	 the "paragraph symbol" is apparently called a "pilcrow"
[16:33:13] <sumanah>	 Today I Learned.
[16:33:24] <jonyfive>	 sumanah: same here haha
[16:33:36] <aharoni>	 thumb, index, middle, ring, pinky.
[16:33:57] <sumanah>	 aharoni: and in Hebrew?
[16:34:03] <jonyfive>	 index is also known as a pointer finger isn't it
[16:34:30] <aharoni>	 <span lang="he-latn">agudal, etsba, ama, kmitsa, zeret</span>
[16:34:39] <sumanah>	 ALSO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus
[16:34:58] <sumanah>	 the division sign! It's "obelus"!!!
[16:35:12] <sumanah>	 I am ridiculously excited at learning these things today jonyfive - thank you
[16:35:14] <jonyfive>	 ahh nice
[16:35:23] <aharoni>	 <span lang="ru-latn">bol'shoj, ukazatel'nyj, srednij, bezymiannyj, mizinets</span>
[16:35:42] <aharoni>	 (the Russian name for the ring finger translates to "nameless")
[16:35:46] <sumanah>	 WHOA
[16:36:27] <aharoni>	 so I had a bit of surgery on my ring finger, also known as nameless,
[16:36:56] <aharoni>	 and I guess that you need such things to discover how useful it is for doing a simple thing like TYPING THE QUESTION MARK
[16:37:10] <sumanah>	 you may grow less critical and skeptical now!
[16:37:15] <aharoni>	 :)
[16:37:31] * sumanah is absurdly extrapolating the already-refuted Sapir-Whorf hypothesis to something even more farfetched
[16:37:39] <jonyfive>	 sumanah: and the hashtag is called an octothorpe!
[16:37:44] <sumanah>	 YES
[16:38:27] <sumanah>	 I am unhappy with English because it is so inconsistent in grammar, in spelling, in so many things, but then I see something like this and I just rejoice
[16:39:24] <jonyfive>	 sumanah: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/09/origins-of-hashtag-manicule-diple-pilcrow-ampersand-explained.html
[16:39:29] <Nemo_bis>	 If only there was some linguist good enough at writing a descriptive grammar book that makes sense
[16:39:29] <jonyfive>	 (sorry for the long link)
[16:39:39] <sumanah>	 it's cool
[16:40:15] <Nemo_bis>	 jonyfive: this would've been worse https://graphite.wikimedia.org/render/?title=Maybe-all%20navtiming%20metrics&vtitle=milliseconds&from=-6monts&width=1024&height=1500&until=now&areaMode=none&hideLegend=false&logBase=10&lineWidth=1&lineMode=connected&target=summarize(frontend.navtiming.*.*.*.75percentile,%221week%22,%22avg%22)
[16:42:05] <jonyfive>	 lol yeah that is worse
[16:43:44] <aharoni>	 sumanah: of all the languages I know about, pretty much all the Turkic ones are probably the most consistent. They all had their spelling systems created or thoroughly revised in the last hundred years, and they all have a very regular grammar.
[16:44:16] <sumanah>	 aharoni: I am soothed knowing there is a set of people who have a better UI
[16:44:21] <sumanah>	 Another World Is Possible
[16:44:45] <sumanah>	 (and of course there are conlangs)
[16:45:01] <sumanah>	 aharoni: so your fingers are healing up I hope?
[16:45:09] <aharoni>	 sumanah: yes, thanks
[16:46:27] <jonyfive>	 hmm so i wonder how i could modify mediawiki to add a pilcrow link next to each h2 tag
[16:47:08] <sumanah>	 jonyfive: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training , https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen , anfd https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript might help
[16:47:51] <jonyfive>	 sumanah: nice, thanks
[16:48:37] <aharoni>	 sumanah: my very down-to-earth and practical look on Esperanto: https://www.quora.com/Esperanto-language/How-has-learning-Esperanto-changed-your-life/answer/Amir-E-Aharoni
[16:48:40] <aharoni>	 (it doesn
[16:49:28] <aharoni>	 (it doesn't mention that quite a lot of people whom I consider cool also happen to be Esperantists.)
[16:49:46] <sumanah>	 Brion! William Shatner! I think George Soros?
[16:49:58] <JordiGH>	 I have some spam that seems to have gotten past our super-secret captcha. Is there a way to figure out if there is some hole that allows people to create wiki pages without answering our captcha?
[16:50:13] <aharoni>	 sumanah: all of these, and then some
[16:56:51] <andre__>	 What is MediaWiki's current "pre-expand size limit" that would block expansion of a template?
[16:56:55] <andre__>	 or where to find it?
[16:57:34] <sumanah>	 AaronSchulz: thanks for the slides. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Schulz-performance.pdf up now.
[16:58:08] <Reedy>	 andre__: core?
[16:58:08] <Reedy>	 ;)
[16:58:11] * Reedy looks properly
[16:58:23] <andre__>	 Now let me find the core :P
[16:58:55] <Reedy>	 Presumably related to $wgMaxPPNodeCount and $wgMaxGeneratedPPNodeCount
[17:04:42] <Ribesg>	 Hi
[17:04:53] <Ribesg>	 I've got a little problem, I'm trying to have short URLs
[17:04:59] <Ribesg>	 But URLs on pages are long URLs
[17:05:12] <Ribesg>	 So at the moment I click on one I've got a long URL in the browser
[17:06:23] <MatmaRex>	 !shorturls
[17:06:23] <wm-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[17:07:05] <MatmaRex>	 Ribesg: (i'm afraid i can't help any more than linking these, but i've been told that these two links are very helpful)
[17:07:36] <Ribesg>	 Thanks
[17:08:02] <Ribesg>	 Did things written on this wiki page but I may have done something wrong, will try again
[17:08:53] <Ribesg>	 Oh nice tool
[17:09:56] <andre__>	 Reedy: thanks (/me goes to add a comment to that bug report)
[17:10:47] <Reedy>	 andre__: ofc, at that point, it's like you're probably doing it wrong. Else see Lua etc
[17:11:32] <andre__>	 Reedy: definitely, yeah, I'll point out Lua anyway - well, it's an interesting ancient request ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7043 in case you want to click)
[17:11:52] <Reedy>	 Wow
[17:11:55] <Reedy>	 Literally no comments on it
[17:12:20] * andre__ just added one
[17:12:46] <andre__>	 http://korma.wmflabs.org/browser/bugzilla_response_time.html offers a nice list of Bugzilla tickets with "Longest time without comment" and "Longest time without action"
[17:13:07] <andre__>	 so sometimes I take a stab
[17:13:49] <Reedy>	 I suspect if you take a complex enough template, and drop those values right down you can probably see what is happening
[17:13:55] <Reedy>	 (if it's not fixed already)
[17:16:50] <Ribesg>	 Damn, still long urls everywhere :-(
[17:17:06] <Ribesg>	 The problem is not about nginx, nginx works great if I use a shortUrl
[17:17:15] <Ribesg>	 The problem is that the wiki is full of long urls
[17:17:27] <Ribesg>	 So as long as you click on something you're not using short URLs anymore
[17:17:29] <mastamind1>	 hi. i am using templates and i would like to specify an internal link as parameter. eg. {{Tmpl|hi[[hello]]}} but that does not seem to work. is it at all possible to do that?
[17:17:45] <bawolff>	 That should work fine
[17:18:08] <bawolff>	 Ribesg: Usually that's a problem with the setting for $wgArticlePath in LocalSettings.php
[17:18:31] <Ribesg>	 $wgArticlePath = "/$1";
[17:18:34] <Ribesg>	 Pretty sure it's ok
[17:20:37] <bawolff>	 That's wrong
[17:20:50] <bawolff>	 needs to be $wgArticlePath = '/$1';
[17:20:58] <bawolff>	 Ribesg: Type of quotes are important
[17:21:15] <Ribesg>	 Oh.
[17:21:27] <Ribesg>	 You have no idea how mmuch hate I have for PHP :o)
[17:21:36] <Ribesg>	 And this doesn't help
[17:21:40] <bawolff>	 Which to be honest is kind of insane, but its what we get for using php as a config language
[17:23:01] <Ribesg>	 In fact I'm asking myself
[17:23:09] <Ribesg>	 Maybe it doesn't work for non-existing pages links?
[17:23:17] <Ribesg>	 (Which makes no sense but eh, maybe)
[17:23:29] <Ribesg>	 Just created a page and the link is correct
[17:24:23] <bawolff>	 It doesn't
[17:24:37] <bawolff>	 In general it doesn't get applied to urls with parameters
[17:24:41] <Seranok>	 Is there a way to get the raw content of a page w/o using the api?
[17:24:50] <bawolff>	 Seranok: ?action=raw
[17:25:15] <bawolff>	 Ribesg: and edit urls have &action=edit&redlink=1
[17:25:33] <Ribesg>	 Hmm I'm supposed to be able to do things with $wgActionPaths
[17:25:53] <Ribesg>	 But I'm not good with URL rewrite rules
[17:26:09] <bawolff>	 Hmm, the redlink=1 part might still mess actionurls up, I'm not sure
[17:26:30] <bawolff>	 Putting action=edit behind a different url, makes it also very easy to block robots with a robots.txt
[17:27:40] <Seranok>	 hmm is there a jsonp way of getting a page's raw content w/o api?
[17:28:10] <Ribesg>	 Anyone knows what this rewrite rule would be in nginx?
[17:28:11] <Ribesg>	 RewriteRule ^/([a-z]*)/(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L,QSA]
[17:30:13] <Ribesg>	 So QSA is automatic in nginx...
[17:30:26] <bawolff>	 Seranok: No
[17:30:38] <bawolff>	 Seranok: If there was it would be by definition an api :P
[17:30:41] <Reedy>	 Seranok: What's wrong with the API?
[17:52:53] <Juandev>	 hi
[17:53:19] <Juandev>	 is there a way, to display a part of pagename if using categorytree?
[17:59:57] <Nemo_bis>	 Really? https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Job_queue&curid=27638&diff=1060514&oldid=1047691
[18:00:36] <Reedy>	 Will that even work?
[18:00:55] <Reedy>	 I presume it won't...
[18:01:34] <Reedy>	 " You may register on our site and add URLs of your scripts into our system, and we will access/trigger your scripts at specified time or by time interval according to the setting you made."
[18:01:35] <Reedy>	 Yeah, it won't
[18:04:47] <Nemo_bis>	 Something we were all waiting for: "Welcome to Wikia's first email newsletter" http://click.mailing.wikia.com/?qs=45868698ca61fbf3cf4bb27ac97bbe0a16dfcb1712d3f800db456bc0e93b30b073c54c213b44bc30
[18:06:47] <^d>	 *snicker*
[18:07:00] <BartlomiejB>	 Nemo_bis: by providing this link you gave access to your settings: http://click.mailing.wikia.com/profile_center.aspx?s=fdfc15777662007e77107276&mid=fe5f15707d640d7a7214&j=fe6e1772716504787415&l=fe501578726d0d7a7512&jb=ff9d1571&ju=fe1e17797367017f7d1277&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Update+Profile&utm_campaign=June+Fandom+Newsletter&utm_source=ExactTarget&r=0
[18:07:26] <Nemo_bis>	 BartlomiejB: true, and this tells you how much I care about Wikia's email :)
[18:07:42] <BartlomiejB>	 Ooook ;)
[18:07:42] <Reedy>	 Good to see you're requesting HTML emails
[18:07:58] <Nemo_bis>	 For some definition of "requesting"
[18:08:06] <Reedy>	 The box is ticked!
[18:08:16] <^d>	 Maybe you changed it for him.
[18:09:18] <^d>	 Sailor Moon - Which sailor scout are you? Take the quiz.
[18:09:29] <^d>	 Is this a newsletter or a Buzzfeed article?
[18:18:59] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: I'm not seeing the pairing discussion in my email. I think that was all IRC
[18:19:06] <sumanah>	 nod
[18:19:27] <fhocutt>	 is there an alternative to http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/index.php?action=search&channel=%23mediawiki ?
[18:21:56] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: have you turned on logging on your IRC client?
[18:21:59] <sumanah>	 xchat or what have you?
[18:22:02] <fhocutt>	 ah, here we go: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20140519.txt
[18:22:13] <fhocutt>	 and yes, right, there is also that
[18:23:06] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: looks to me like Mithrandir and valhallasw both have some Ruby
[18:24:01] <sumanah>	 cool, fhocutt, I figure whoever you haven't paired with recently, so, probably Tollef
[18:24:13] <fhocutt>	 yep, works for me
[18:25:11] <FDMS>	 ^d: Your Commons userpage is kind of unfriendly.
[18:26:08] <^d>	 And it's inaccurate!
[18:26:15] <^d>	 I should point people at mw.org
[18:26:19] <^d>	 enwiki, lol.
[18:27:44] <FDMS>	 ^d: Only "inaccurate" then :)
[18:28:47] <^d>	 Look better now? :)
[18:29:20] <FDMS>	 Wonderful :) !
[19:05:55] <sumanah>	 brion: hey, ping, about some availability for Thursday for an RfC meeting
[19:06:23] <brion>	 checking calendar
[19:06:41] <sumanah>	 brion: on June 25th there was that discussion of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Redo_skin_framework and we agreed to meet up again this week, and I think Trevor could use the 1 additional day to prep, and thus want to put it on Thursday instead of Wednesday
[19:06:58] <brion>	 sumanah: sounds fine. schedule looks clear
[19:07:25] <sumanah>	 thank you brion - I hope to make it work with awjr as well and (I hope) Erik
[19:07:37] <sumanah>	 I appreciate your flexibility and try not to take advantage of it too much :)
[19:07:59] <brion>	 :D
[19:09:27] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I sympathize with you re your recent Perl discoveries/adventure/character-building
[19:10:17] <fhocutt>	 apparently a solution is more sudo >_<
[19:11:01] <fhocutt>	 at least for module installations. There is almost certainly a way to go change settings and permissions so that cpan actually looks in the place where it normally installs modules when it's trying to install different modules
[19:11:14] <fhocutt>	 but I have not encountered it yet
[21:32:48] <bendev711>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/git-review#Setting_up_git-review
[21:33:51] <bendev711>	 as suggested here.. ran the commands nd got error saying  fatal: 'review' appears to be a git command, but we were not able to execute it. Maybe git-review is broken?
[21:33:55] <bendev711>	 any help??
[21:36:33] <sumanah>	 Hi bendev711 
[21:37:04] <sumanah>	 bendev711: what operating system are you on?
[21:37:26] <bendev711>	 hi sumanah... windows 8 pro
[21:38:25] <sumanah>	 bendev711: ok. legoktm remind me are you a Windows user?
[21:38:49] <legoktm>	 sorry OSX. also a bit busy right now
[21:38:57] <sumanah>	 ah no prob
[21:40:47] <sumanah>	 bendev711: sorry I don't know what you are running into. git-review is often a problem for Windows users 
[21:42:14] <sumanah>	 This is awful, but you might look here for help https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35145
[21:43:37] <Reedy>	 Google suggests a potential path issue
[21:43:39] <Reedy>	 $PATH
[21:44:06] <bawolff>	 bendev711: git review is optional. If its not working for you, easiest thing to do is to not use it
[21:45:22] <bawolff>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-upload.html the part about git push
[21:45:38] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Alternatives_to_git-review 
[21:49:31] <bendev711>	 thanks sumanah and bawolff ... i made changes and pushed it to gerrit using command "git-review" nd worked fine.. but i was still worried if this error would create any prob
[21:50:02] <bendev711>	 is this the usual way everyone pushes commits for reviews?
[21:51:51] <neilk_>	 Hi, I'm trying to get set up with Gerrit. Is my wikitech account related to my SUL in the rest of Wikimedia?
[21:52:07] <sumanah>	 welcome back neilk_!
[21:52:07] <MatmaRex>	 neilk_: no
[21:52:11] <neilk_>	 hi sumanah
[21:52:51] <neilk_>	 MatmaRex: ok, so, curveball - I used to be a WMF employee. I'm back as a consultant. New acct or link to an old one somehow? New ssh keys?
[21:53:01] <Reedy>	 yay neilk_
[21:53:20] <neilk_>	 When I left the WMF, my SUL username would get retired about every two months or so. :(
[21:53:26] <MatmaRex>	 neilk_: if that was in svn times, then i have no idea
[21:53:28] <neilk_>	 hi Reedy
[21:53:40] <MatmaRex>	 neilk_: it's apparently possible to migrate svn accounts, ask ^d
[21:54:03] <MatmaRex>	 not sure if 'migrate' is even the right word, but something can be done to them anyway
[21:54:04] <^d>	 I think there's docs on wikitech?
[21:54:06] <^d>	 Never done it.
[21:54:12] <^d>	 More a #-labs question
[21:54:22] <Reedy>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Add-labs-user
[21:54:29] <neilk_>	 I don't know if it's worth it. I'd rather just be a new developer with my personal email address. I'm just worried it will cause an issue later.
[21:54:42] <neilk_>	 I tried to sign up for wikitech with "NeilK" and it said it was taken :(
[21:54:51] <Reedy>	 "svn" commits are attributed to username@users.mediawiki.org emails
[21:55:13] <Reedy>	 we can probably get the email address changed on that account for you...
[21:55:20] <Reedy>	 You left before gerrit, right?
[21:55:32] <MatmaRex>	 neilk_: yeah, you need to get someone to do that bit of magic to regain control of that username
[21:55:33] <neilk_>	 Reedy: it was in alpha. I don't remember using it myself
[21:55:34] <MatmaRex>	 or something
[21:55:36] * MatmaRex hides
[21:55:53] * Nemo_bis waves at neilk_ 
[21:55:58] <neilk_>	 hi Nemo!
[21:56:25] <Nemo_bis>	 neilk_: btw we just got 500 wikis switched to uploadwizard upload https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=commonsuploads.dblist
[21:56:45] <neilk_>	 Nemo_bis - wow
[21:56:49] <marktraceur>	 ....we what now
[21:57:04] <Reedy>	 no local upload
[21:57:05] <Reedy>	 gogo commons
[21:57:20] <Nemo_bis>	 Reedy: I'm submitting a followup in a moment though, very small one
[21:57:28] <marktraceur>	 Oh, whew.
[21:57:42] <marktraceur>	 It's not like...upload files to $WIKI *with* UploadWizard
[21:58:01] <marktraceur>	 Because that's just asking for pain
[21:58:31] <neilk_>	 I am surprised they all could follow Commons' policies
[21:58:37] <neilk_>	 or would want to
[21:58:52] <Reedy>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NeilK
[21:58:56] <Reedy>	 I guess it is your account
[21:59:23] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: I think we determined that only a few wikis really bother with fair use...but then I did come across a much longer metawiki page at one point
[22:02:29] <Nemo_bis>	 Half of the local files are on 5 wikis.
[22:03:09] <Nemo_bis>	 A few dozens have an EDP and some of those didn't even bother to create copyright templates.
[22:04:00] <Nemo_bis>	 Anyway, I plan to discover by July who cares. :-)
[22:12:23] <bawolff>	 They don't want to follow commons policies
[22:12:44] <bawolff>	 yadda yadda URAA
[22:14:35] <tgr>	 in the URAA case, the policy should be fixed instead of maintaining local files just because of that
[22:15:47] <tgr>	 basically people are getting "is this file free" and "is this file public domain in the US" mixed up
[22:16:30] <bawolff>	 "public domain in the US" has traditionally been a requirement of commons
[22:16:46] <tgr>	 that's the part that should be fixed
[22:17:05] <bawolff>	 Well people have been arguing about that for months now