[00:24:43] [00:27:57] 20 more bugs coming (possibly with some aggregation) [00:45:36] [00:47:12] * Nemo_bis raises white flag [00:47:38] Will get to it tomorrow then, now zzzzzz https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:WikimediaMobile#Open_support_requests [01:49:49] Why may I receive the message "Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module `Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist' not found." despite that I have the module in place: http://localhost:8080/mediawiki/Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist exists [01:50:02] do* [02:03:02] Can anyone help me? [02:17:57] tioosar: Well, I can't help with the problem. But you aren't being ignored. [02:18:28] It's just that no one who has noticed your comment knows how to help. [02:18:56] yet. [02:30:14] Amgine: Ok. [02:30:52] Amgine: I'm trying to set up mediawiki that I can copy Wikipedia articles from. [02:47:02] tioosar: Well, I would probably not go about it quite that way. What articles do you want to copy? [02:53:15] Amgine: I want to have their setup. So I can use Templates like {{cite web}} [02:54:42] tioosar: Creating their setup may not work for a differently-sized wiki. Remember they have thousands of people working on and maintaining their templates, css, and js as well as gadgets and widgets - and the articles. [02:55:35] Amgine: I want to be able to import and export articles from Wikipedia to my MediaWiki. [02:55:59] Amgine: Because I need to copy text from articles I published on Wikipedia. [02:56:14] You can do that using the API, and requesting the templates be expanded. [02:56:27] Amgine: How? [02:56:30] This won't capture some of the dynamic features of some templates. [02:57:07] Here is the API documentation for Mediawiki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [02:57:33] The en.wikipedia api is located at, if I recall correctly, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php [02:58:13] Amgine: How do I use that to use Template:cite web in my MediaWiki? [02:58:24] How do I cite web ? [02:58:48] harej: Do we have the same problem? [02:58:58] Nope [02:59:42] harej: it's: how do I *shot* web [03:00:00] SamB gets it [03:00:17] tioosar: you can probably export/import that template and related modules, but you will likely find it is too complex for you to maintain. Instead, you should figure out how to use the extension, and using it build your own version of the {{cite}} that you understand. [03:00:44] well, I picked up the meme somewhere; I don't know if I'd say that I *get* the meme though ;-) [03:00:59] Amgine: But then I cannot import/export from Wikipedia/my mediawiki. [03:01:03] Harej: Which publishing standard are you using for citations? [03:01:11] between* [03:01:49] Tioosar: Yes, you can. By having the same extensions (in this case Ref), you can have the templates expanded into wikitext. [03:01:53] have you tried special:import? copyright is very important in copying [03:02:32] Amgine: Yes, but {{cite web <--- This will cause problems [03:02:46] withoutaname: have you tried to keep an en.WP template up to date over time? [03:03:39] tioosar: when you get an article with expanded templates, it will expand all the templates. That means there won't be any {{cite [03:03:44] I got bored after doing that and then they instituted template protection so now I have to submit push requests [03:04:26] 'zactly. Among other things. The problem for me was all those darned depencency templates and js. [03:05:36] Amgine: {{cite web|url=http://www-clinpharm.medschl.cam.ac.uk/pages/teaching/topics/poison/poison9.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20060107184246/http://www-clinpharm.medschl.cam.ac.uk/pages/teaching/topics/poison/poison9.html|archivedate=2006-01-07|title=Methanol Poisoning|publisher=Cambridge University School of Clinical Medicine|accessdate=2007-09-04}}{{dead link|date=April 2012}} gives m [03:05:45] Amgine: "Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module `Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist' not found." despite that I have the module in place: http://localhost:8080/mediawiki/Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist exists [03:06:29] Is it #invoking properly? [03:07:06] tioosar: try something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_article_title?action=raw&templates=expand [03:08:21] withoutaname: How can I find out about that? [03:08:37] Amgine: That URL ask me to save the file [03:09:03] do you know the lua for it? [03:09:07] Yes, it's giving you the wiki syntax to an article with all the templates expanded. [03:09:42] Withoutaname: : Why may I receive the message "Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module `Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist' not found." despite that I have the module in place: http://localhost:8080/mediawiki/Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist exists [03:10:00] (something I have no clue how to help with) [03:10:52] Amgine: I do not know how I can find more useful information this way as it is identical to the syntax at the MediaWiki page. [03:10:53] tbh I know neither lua nor scribunto [03:11:22] tioosar: No, it isn't. The syntax includes the parsed templates. [03:11:50] Amgine: Where should I look or what should I search in the page? [03:11:53] im just wondering if the logic responsible for #invoke: in templates is simply not detecting a module properly [03:12:39] Amgine: Oh, now I see it. [03:13:14] Amgine: Well, it still says "{{cite web..." all other templates are expanded. [03:13:41] Oh... That's true, since it's inside the extension tag... [03:13:48] Amgine: I have imported it (with "Include templates" from the Wikipedia export). [03:13:51] [03:16:20] Amgine: Are there no simple {{cite web}} templates for MediaWiki so I can use it out of the box? [03:17:07] Amgine: like mediawiki-extensions or something? [03:18:01] Probably not. I think you will need to go through every template and subtemplate and locate the #invoke statements. Those invoke a [[Module:{the name of the module}]], which you will also need to export/import [03:18:14] (Unless someone has fixed the export/import from the last time I tried this) [03:18:35] Module is the namespace used by Lua. [03:19:41] Amgine: Why doesn't Wikipedia fix this? [03:20:27] Because WMF is not building the mediawiki software to run on your server for your project. They are building it to run their project on their servers, and it works very well for them. [03:20:59] Amgine: I think that's weird. [03:22:12] It isn't, when you stop to think about it. They are not writing a software for lots of people to use at home. They are writing a software to run their encyclopedias. That you can use it is just an accident that is cool, but don't expect it to work perfectly for you because that's not what it is being written *for*. [03:23:20] Amgine: With that extra work it would be possible for home users to import/export between their MediaWiki setup and other wikis. [03:24:01] There is a tool to do that. It is called $wgScaryTransclusions, I think. [03:24:11] Amgine: Not to speak that it would be possible to work with MediaWiki at a professional level at home too. [03:24:12] Please don't use it. It's very dangerous. [03:24:58] Amgine: How do I locate the #invoke for the templates? [03:25:05] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding [03:25:35] tioosar: to see the #invoke, look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation&action=edit [03:26:06] I don't know what line it is, but you will see |{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation [03:26:46] That is trying to invoke [[Module:citation/CS1]] [03:26:50] Amgine: Yes [03:27:01] Amgine: What about citation? [03:28:22] I'm just giving an example of what the #invoke statement looks like. What it does is invoke a Lua module, if you have the Scribunto extension installed and working. [03:29:55] If you look at the bottom of the edit box there you will see a list of the required templates and modules in order to get that cite template to work. [03:31:23] HareJ: and to think I was settling in for a quiet night of genealogy work... [03:31:42] Amgine: After "{{#if:"? [03:32:33] No, look below the edit box, the long list of blue links topped with the text: "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page:" [03:36:44] Amgine: Ok, I give up using Wikipedia templates [03:37:31] The important question is: what do you need the template to do? Most Wikipedia templates do much more than they need to do. [03:37:46] Amgine: I could switch to Django-wiki [03:39:15] Amgine, I decided to close a long and dramatic (but surprisingly uncontentious) TFD this morning. [03:39:20] Amgine: Someone should attempt to develope a package manager for MediaWiki templates and modules. [03:40:33] HareJ: Shhh! those aren't ever supposed to really close... they should drag out for years until the participants gradually notice that both their positions have been supplanted by the next generation of templates. [03:40:45] tioosar, that's a great idea! [03:41:02] samwilson Amgine Can anyone forward that idea? [03:41:03] Tioosar: Have you ever heard of composer? [03:41:17] Amgine, they were arguing about the "Not to be confused with X" template. Except most people had the same opinion (that it should be kept), but it was like two people representing the other opinion. [03:41:24] composer's great for extensions, but can't handle templates in-wiki [03:41:29] Amgine: It does not solve the problem I'm talking about, right? [03:41:52] samwilson: Exactly. [03:41:54] yeah, the closest for templates is export-import which is a bit of a pain [03:42:16] it's something that semantic-mediawiki could use very well [03:42:23] tioosar: no. But for some reason there's been resistance to the adoption of such a logical concept in the developers realm of WMF. [03:42:54] Amgine: It does not mean that anyone else can make that package manager. [03:43:18] I'm actually a former GNU/Linux developer. [03:43:32] i read somone say the other day that complicated templates shouldn't be redistributed as templates, but stuck into their own extension with parserfunctsions [03:43:36] I am merely extrapolating that decentralizing management seems an unlikely concept for WMF devs to adopt. [03:44:07] I could make it but I do not have time. I'm willing to ask someone else interested in MediaWiki. [03:44:40] dpkg! [03:44:58] [03:45:01] samwilson: are there no packages that can help users solve this? [03:46:33] tooisar: not that i've used [03:46:48] HareJ: so, do *you* know what to call England, Ireland, and Scotland in the immediate aftermath of the restoration (1660+) ? [03:47:22] Hemlock Martinis says it's the Kingdom of Great Britain [03:47:37] Amgine: Thank you for all positive information. [03:47:41] there is merit in the idea that redistributable things should be extensions though, for ease of updating and because they wouldn't really be meant for individual wikis to change.. [03:47:46] Amgine: It will help me a lot. [03:47:59] You're welcom, tioosa. [03:48:09] HareJ: Hemlock Martinis? [03:48:22] Do you remember him? [03:48:49] No. But it sounds like a drink for Socrates. [03:49:07] Anyways he's (formerly) a Wikipedia editor and currently my roommate. [03:49:29] samwilson: Do you use to be in this channel? [03:49:31] Call him a bastard and lemmee look that up... [03:50:31] WMF devs are the worst! [03:50:41] they probably don't even listen to this channel. [03:50:58] Exactly. [03:51:18] HareJ: 1707. I need about 45 years earlier. [03:52:54] Amgine, they were separate kingdoms. Kingdom of England, of Scotland, and of Ireland. William and Mary led over all three. [03:53:42] Yah, damn personal unions. I'm putting down Kingdom of England. [03:56:00] samwilson: How do you use {{cite web}}? [04:00:26] Amgine: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php does not solve the template dependency problem, right? [04:00:53] They both can, I think. [04:01:01] Amgine: How? [04:01:38] tioosar: you mean if it were rebuilt as a parserfunction? [04:02:02] samwilson: I have no idea what I mean. [04:02:05] Heh, how arcane can I get? One option would be to get html output of the page, and dump it through VisualEditor/Parsoid into the wiki. [04:02:07] (oh, and yeah, i'm often lurking here) [04:02:17] hehe! yeah, i know that feeling... :) [04:02:38] Amgine samwilson I just want to be able to use Wikipedia templates out of the box without hazzle if that is possible. [04:03:22] nah, can't be done without hassle! but it's just a amtter of exporting and importing, probably periodically [04:03:35] tioosar: Your best bet is to simplify. Since you mentioned copying over articles *you* wrote, I think you could create custom templates to handle your citations. [04:04:51] Amgine: Yeah, that means writing them from scratch or simplify them. I'm ok with that. [04:05:34] If you're just doing MLA or whatever, they're really quite easy. [04:05:44] samwilson: So how do you use {{cite web}} for example. Would/do you write it from scratch? [04:05:55] Amgine: MLA? [04:06:30] Amgine: Also, which modules do I need to write them? [04:07:06] You don't need any modules. You just need Mediawiki. [04:07:17] Amgine: Awsome. [04:07:36] MLA is one standard way of formatting academic research citations. [04:07:43] (including web sites) [04:08:33] Amgine: How would I write "url" in "cite web": {{cite web|url=http://www-clinpharm.medschl.cam.ac.uk/pages/teaching/topics/poison/poison9.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20060107184246/http://www-clinpharm.medschl.cam.ac.uk/pages/teaching/topics/poison/poison9.html| [04:09:09] Amgine: If you help me with this one I will prolly figure out how to write the rest. [04:10:46] Inside your template you would use {{{url|}}} [04:11:53] tioosar: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [04:12:46] Amgine: So I do not need to use #invoke, right? [04:12:50] and also look at Help:Magic_words and the parser functions. [04:12:58] No, you do not need to use #invoke. [04:14:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words [04:17:16] Amgine: Thanks. So I have simplified the to look like this just to learn: {{cite web|url=http://www-clinpharm.medschl.cam.ac.uk/pages/teaching/topics/poison/poison9.html}} [04:18:53] Okay, but you'll need to create [[Template:cite web]]. If you can give me a link showing such a citation I can look and see what it spits out. [04:19:29] Amgine: How should Template:cite_web look like to produce: foo [04:19:37] Amgine: Yes, I know. [04:20:13] Amgine: Currently I use this in Template:cite_web: {{{url|}}} as I have no idea how to format it. [04:20:38] Hang on a second, I'm learning. [04:22:47] Okay, first off, do you have ParserFunctions installed and working? [04:23:07] Amgine: Yes. [04:23:20] Amgine: Is that a dependency? [04:23:52] It can be; it allows things to be a bit more complex than they need to be. Let me hack something together real quick. [04:24:26] Amgine: Very kind of you. [04:24:40] Amgine: In return I will publish it as free software. [04:25:03] WTFPL 2.x [04:25:20] ? [04:29:02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL [04:29:12] Haha [04:31:58] Amgine: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_web [04:36:52] Amgine: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export solved it [04:38:39] samwilson: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export solved it! Really small files. [04:40:35] Okay, here's a template you could use instead, when you get tired of keeping up with those. [04:40:36] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Amgine/MLA_simple [04:41:33] oops, didn't document date. [04:41:55] Amgine: Did you try the URL I gave you? [04:42:37] The Simple one? no. Let me look at it. [04:42:49] Amgine: cite_web works out of the box when I exported it from https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export and imported to MediaWiki! [04:44:00] Yep. Make sure you grab a copy of https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_web/doc [04:45:17] Amgine: Yes. So now we know how to solve this problem! [04:47:02] Well, not quite. See, the template is trying to do stuff which Simple doesn't have working. For example, it's trying to use the web css class. [04:47:08] But there isn't a web css class. [04:48:02] Amgine: Hmm, would it be best to simply this or write the templates from scratch? [04:48:39] It all depends on how much work you want to put into maintaining the templates. This works for you, now, so go ahead and use it as-is. [04:48:52] When it doesn't work... well, burn that bridge before you cross it. [04:49:29] Amgine: Yes. [05:19:44] hi, i have run wiki on the server on a pc, i want to connect this wiki from local and remote. what should i do? [05:24:51] does any body understand my question? [05:42:32] No body can answer me?? [05:50:36] please answer me [05:50:45] any guy knows my question?? [05:54:37] please asnwerrrrrr [05:58:50] i want to access my wiki from remote, does any body knows this?? [06:05:52] karami: it's not really the right time of day for asking questions [06:06:11] there's not really anyone here [06:06:17] why? [06:06:25] what is the time? [06:06:49] it's early in europe, ~8am, sunday night in the US [06:07:35] you could try a bit later in the european day, or during the US day [06:08:56] no body now can help?? [06:14:39] karami: if you want people to be able to reach your wiki from anywhere on the internet, you probably want to use a web hosting service of some kind [06:15:18] i have ip static, can i use that? [06:15:33] i have ip static, can i use that? [06:15:37] yes, you could [06:15:44] how? [06:15:49] but you'd have to keep your computer on all the time [06:15:57] so people usually don't [06:15:59] yes, no problem [06:16:10] it is server and it is available all time [06:16:13] it is server and it is available all timee [06:16:16] it is server and it is available all timee [06:16:17] well, what operating system are you using? [06:16:24] windows [06:16:37] how are you connecting to your wiki right now? what address do you use? [06:17:02] http://localhost/mywiki i use this url in the serve r [06:17:06] to connect to it [06:18:52] where are you? [06:18:59] your WHOIS says your IP address is 81.31.186.85, is that accurate? [06:19:12] no i am in university [06:19:15] not in office [06:19:23] my office ip static is 84.241.45.8 [06:20:10] it appears to be reachable and serving web requests [06:20:21] by which link? [06:20:23] but http://84.241.45.8/mywiki is a 404 [06:20:39] the error mentions "RomPager", is this something you installed? [06:20:57] i do have done sth for remoting on my page [06:21:06] i should do anything [06:21:40] you may need to change your web server software configuration and/or your firewall settings [06:21:46] how? [06:22:12] How can I use . I get Cite error: Invalid tag; no text was provided for refs named multiple [06:22:15] how? [06:22:29] The Cite extension is enabled [06:23:07] please let e know [06:24:40] where are you/?? [06:25:07] how could i change the web server software configuration?? [06:25:12] karami: it looks like you aren't forwarding through to your server [06:25:35] i can not access it locally [06:25:40] the site at http://84.241.45.8/ seems to be being served by your router [06:25:41] also [06:25:57] yes, it is server by my router [06:26:04] now what should i do? [06:26:27] . [06:26:47] oh, you mean your runnign mediawiki on your router? [06:27:16] how? [06:27:33] i run wiki on pc [06:27:36] not router [06:28:17] ah, good. then you need to forward port 80 through your router to your server. [06:28:44] dear i can not access it locally, locally no need to set sth [06:28:46] yes? [06:28:54] but i can not access it locally [06:29:24] oh, sorry, missed that. what error are you getting? [06:29:59] the page can not be dispayed [06:31:35] please asnwer me [06:32:18] i forward [06:32:21] (sorry cobber, am doing three things at once :) [06:32:23] you can see it now [06:32:41] http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [06:32:42] you've got php, mysql, and apache working? [06:32:43] please see [06:32:48] service is not available [06:32:53] i mapped the port now [06:33:11] ah, cool. so it's forwarding to main_page correctly? [06:33:25] (I mean redirecting) [06:33:38] so what is the problem? [06:35:51] might be something to do with lag [06:36:03] what? [06:36:05] lag? [06:36:30] "Checks if the request should abort due to a lagged server, for given maxlag parameter." [06:36:53] i'm not being much help am i... [06:36:59] a min [06:37:37] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maxlag_parameter [06:41:37] How do I use how reference across different articles? [06:42:10] So I do not have to define them each time in every article but can call for them like [06:43:09] samwilson: Do you know? [06:45:20] please check now [06:45:24] nothing again [06:46:32] i off all firewall [06:48:40] please answer [06:49:58] it go to main page, but nothing will shown [06:50:34] maybe some settings in xampp [06:51:43] sorry karami, it's knock off time for me. check that you've got php running properly. [06:51:46] seeya [06:52:00] in my pc? [06:52:57] Access to the requested directory is only available from the local network. This setting can be configured in the file "httpd-xampp.conf". [06:53:00] please see this [06:53:08] maybe this is our problem [07:08:13] no body can answerrrr me?? [08:15:50] i can not access my wiki from locally and remote [08:15:54] could any one help me [08:15:55] ? [08:17:31] karami, are you getting any error? [08:20:26] check http://84.241.45.8 [08:20:33] check http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [08:22:22] have you checked? [08:25:01] access forbidden? [08:26:35] yes [08:27:57] karami, your server is not correctly configured. It's redirecting to localhost: http://pastebin.com/ZHk5zHGQ [08:29:25] what should i do now? [08:29:30] ho wcan i configure? [08:31:19] do you have an .htaccess file in mywiki folder? [08:31:54] in which folder [08:31:55] ? [08:34:07] please aswer [08:36:49] In your wiki root directory do you have a .htaccess file? [08:37:25] yes [08:38:16] could you copy its content in pastebin? [08:38:20] in each folser i have one [08:39:10] I'm interested in the root folder [08:40:37] no in the root no [08:41:33] in the root no [08:43:15] In your LocalSettings.php could you tell me the value of $wgServer ? [08:43:38] i have checked no $wgserver is in local setting [08:44:44] even $wgServerName ? [08:45:20] nothing [08:46:30] nothing for server name [08:49:05] no [08:51:33] where are you? why not answer me [08:51:34] ? [08:56:08] why not answer me??? [09:00:52] no body can accessss????????? [09:00:59] no body can answer?????? [09:06:47] i am confused really, please asnwerrrrr me [09:06:54] where are you media wiki [09:06:58] no support? [09:23:42] Hello. What are the up to date skins for Mediawiki which are not bundled by default? And what happened to Athena? [09:25:14] gleki: IIRC each of the skins were moved into their own repositories [09:26:03] you would probably have to download them from git [09:26:49] no body????????? [11:02:27] Hey! After upgrade from MW 1.17 to MW 1.22 the old navbar doesn't work: the ] [11:03:33] The [show] buttons don't function. Besides, additional buttons in WikiEditor have disappeared. I assume the problem is related to JavaScript, but I fail to figure out how. [11:07:44] aurimai: did you upgrade all the extensions to the appropriate version too? [11:08:24] DanielK_WMDE: yes. [11:59:01] Hello, I set-up a mediawiki few days ago, and I want to add GPS metadata on some of my articles, is it a native feature or does it need an extension ? I can't find it on mediawiki-wiki :( [12:07:29] tmos_: it's a series of hacks; since recently, there is some proper support with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoData , which may do what you need or not [12:11:23] great thanks, I'll have a look at it :) [13:01:50] good morning! I'm having trouble with the MultimediaViewer extension; see the error at this page: https://www.depechemode-live.com/wiki/2013-10-11_Austin_City_Limits_Festival,_Austin,_TX,_USA/Source_2#mediaviewer/File:2013-10-11-ss-1.png [13:08:47] That's amusing, it starts loading, then apparently breaks [13:10:12] yes, unfortuantely [13:10:18] although it seems to work fine on my mobile device, strangely enough [13:10:27] Really? :/ [13:10:47] no clue why [13:10:56] https://depechemode-live.com/thumb.php?f=2013-10-11-ss-4.png&width=1280 works fine [13:11:15] so perhaps the extension is at fault? [13:11:31] Error loading MediaViewer: The operation is insecure. [13:11:45] oh, damn, that's the firefox bug :( [13:11:49] :< [13:11:59] Chrome complains too [13:12:09] 2Image from origin 'https://depechemode-live.com' has been blocked from loading by Cross-Origin Resource Sharing policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'https://www.depechemode-live.com' is therefore not allowed access. [13:12:24] well then, looks like i have some bigger issues [13:12:28] let me check my htaccess [13:12:54] I wonder why it's loading from not www when the site is on www [13:13:02] ^ [13:13:28] wgServer/wgCanonicalServer? [13:13:42] wgserver is https://depechemode-live.com [13:13:48] don't think i have a wgCanonicalServer [13:14:11] yeah, works for me from non www url https://depechemode-live.com/wiki/2013-10-11_Austin_City_Limits_Festival,_Austin,_TX,_USA/Source_2#mediaviewer/File:2013-10-11-ss-1.png [13:14:16] It'll default to www [13:14:36] Towncivilian: Add www to wgserver [13:14:41] i don't seem to have any Access-Control-Allow-Origin header being set anywhere, either [13:15:03] okay, done [13:15:05] Right, it complains because there is no headers [13:15:06]