[00:00:50] so it is a straight sum of the size of the templates? and if nested templates, is there an accumulating factor? [00:01:38] as the WS transclude pages into the main ns, trying to resolve where a problem lies is a tad finicky and difficult [00:01:51] Yeah, it's a running counter [00:02:05] is it only the transcluded part, or is it the originating size? [00:02:24] not sure [00:02:35] ie., is the documentation going to add to the issue [00:03:54] does a redirect Template, count for more, or the same (I am presuming it is the same) [00:04:44] I suspect if it's more, it's not going to be a lot [00:05:52] Has anyone experienced this error before: Global default 'vector' is invalid for field skin on Preferences.php [00:06:05] i have tried changing it, nothing helps [00:10:13] * sDrewth grumbles about the additional complexity of problem solving due to {{documentation}} and use of [00:31:07] where would I look, to find the default configuration of "thumbsize" for all wikimedia wikis? (I.e. I'm guessing it's set at 220px in all wikis, but I want to check if there are any wikis which still use 180px, or something else.) [00:31:24] https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php or DefaultSettings.php [00:31:30] ty :) [00:31:30] ; [00:31:31] } [00:31:31] $wgDefaultUserOptions['thumbsize'] = $wmgThumbsizeIndex; [00:31:46] meaning its in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php [00:31:58] 'wmgThumbsizeIndex' => array( [00:31:58] 'default' => 4, [00:31:58] 'svwiki' => 2, // bug 16739 [00:31:58] ), [00:32:12] ah, perfect. ty. [00:33:44] I try to avoid template redirection as much as possible [00:33:57] avoid more overhead [00:46:46] withoutaname: totally agree, just wish there was an easy way to have shortcut template, that self-expanded to full name templates [00:47:27] so those who like something like {{dhr}} can use it, but it puts in place {{double height row}} [00:58:58] is there some method of turning on transclusion [01:00:23] i am trying to do a silly simple template like this : {{{1}}} [01:00:43] the use {{citeneeded|some words here}} [01:01:26] and i guess the transclusion itself works, because i get {{{1}}} but the {{{1}} is not working [01:01:55] cause it just says {{{1}}} on my page [01:02:15] OldCampingStuff: try {{{citeneeded|1=...}} [01:02:21] or is that some issue with the order the input i processed [01:02:49] there is probably an equals sign or something that is throwing out the positional parameter, so you need to force it [01:07:12] OldCampingStuff: Special:ExpandTemplates is always useful [01:07:38] http://pastebin.com/40TJuvJP [01:07:42] and so is using named parameters rather than positional, it takes away that uncertainty [01:08:25] that explains my issue [01:08:34] the paste [01:08:49] it works on another wiki i have [01:08:57] well i shouldnt say that [01:09:10] the expansion of parameters works [01:09:20] not using the have you tried it with a tag? [01:11:32] {{#tag:ref|{{{1}}}|group=cite needed}} [01:11:43] i just tested ref and it does same thing [01:12:01] tables and stuff work [01:12:06] inside the templates [01:12:50] if it is guts of config, that is out of my league [01:13:45] extension:cite is a beast [01:15:36] {{#tag:ref|{{{1}}}|group=cite needed}} ---> that still outputs the {{{1}}} in the references [01:16:01] oooo [01:16:03] wait [01:16:52] ok using that as the content of citeneeded template works [01:17:05] thanks [01:17:12] :-) [01:17:32] it is something related to cite, archaic and clunky beast that it is [01:18:43] and to note that you can do something similar with {{#tag:references||group=cite needed}} [01:19:27] ok i am just getting started like 4th of july [01:19:38] whenever I have problems with an extension tag that is problematic, I will problem solve with {{#tag:}} [01:19:46] ugh grammar [01:20:27] sorry, i didn't realize i need to use correct grammar [01:20:51] and you will find that if you need to subst: an underlying template with an extension tag, you pretty well have to use {{#tag}} to get things to work nicely [01:20:58] no, my grammar [01:21:15] problems ... problematic [01:21:55] oh gotcha [01:22:38] hmm, googlesitesearch is broken in master branch :/ [01:22:57] Call to undefined method SpecialSearch::getLang() [01:23:54] so i have not looked yet, but is there a method to automatically subst: a page when a new page is created? does that even make sense? [01:24:50] not enough [01:25:11] do you mean that you wish to subst: a template on a new page? [01:26:21] aha, getLang was deprecated [01:26:28] there is reasonable help on subst: at both enWP and mw.org [01:26:44] for example i am making a reference site for a bunch of widgets. they are all in a list, none of the pages exist yet. (all red links) when someone creates the page widget-a i want to auto subst: template-a before they see a blank edit box. [01:27:21] you may wish to look at the preload functionality [01:28:05] thank you [01:28:07] you can set it so that it loads text onto a new page [01:29:32] yes that is exactly what i am looking for i think [01:29:46] and OldCampingStuff the editnotice functionality allows for instructions (and templates) at the top of a page [01:30:04] walk first though [01:30:28] yeah, i have been taking it kinda slow :) [01:32:22] thanks for your assistance [01:32:30] welcome [01:46:29] sDrewth: I think the editnotice will allow me to do what i want with adding a button to the edit toolbar too. [02:55:58] so if i edit the MediaWiki:Editinginterface it adds the stuff for the MediaWiki: pages [02:56:48] but none of my pages are titled like Foo:Bar [02:57:03] just Bar [02:58:02] how do i get my pages to include the editing instructions [04:01:23] Hey everyone! I need some help with creating a semantic form in MediaWiki. Semantic MediaWiki extension is already installed. I am looking for somthing like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nr31a6frqmxsgtt/Screenshot%202014-07-15%2012.00.50.png [04:02:30] The wiki can be found here: http://study-in-bali.com/Student_Accommodation_in_Bali_WS14 [04:02:40] Currently it only has static content [04:02:40] Chris_: try asking in #semantic-mediawiki ? [04:11:22] hi [04:11:42] i have problem with access to my wiki locally and from remote [04:11:50] could anybody help me? [04:14:34] no body can help me??? [04:22:12] Thanks a lot legoktm! [04:27:37] could you please help me? [04:27:52] not really [04:27:58] why? [04:28:08] you didn't listen to me 2 days ago, so I'm not sure why tonight would be any different [04:28:27] why i did not listen you? [04:29:11] hi karami, you still trying to get your home server running? [04:29:22] yes [04:29:29] i did not get [04:30:05] access [04:30:09] could you please help me [04:30:13] is it publically accessible now? what's the address? [04:30:30] if you remote to http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [04:30:40] if you use this url, it was blocked [04:31:56] have you checked? [04:32:07] i think XAMPP block this connection [04:34:42] it sort of works, but your site's hostname seems to be localhost, so i'm being redirected to http://localhost/mywiki/index.php/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C [04:34:48] cna you change that? [04:35:11] yes [04:35:15] how can i change it? [04:35:32] $wgserver="parswiki [04:35:34] yes? [04:36:50] ues? [04:37:07] yes? [04:38:09] why not answer me:( [04:40:11] why not answer me??? [04:43:48] please asnwer [04:53:04] no body can answer [04:53:10] why no body can answerr me [04:53:17] i ahve problem and you should help me [04:53:27] i am asking my question 100 times [04:53:35] but no one try to help me [04:53:39] it is not fair [04:56:08] karami, how old are you? (just asking) [04:57:10] 25 [04:58:03] karami: Be patient. [04:58:07] ok [05:04:11] karami: yep, do you have $wgServer set to http://84.241.45.8 ? [05:04:20] no [05:04:29] i should set that in Local settings [05:04:30] ? [05:04:39] (oh, i just asked about your age because I though for a moment that you might be 12! sorry) [05:04:44] yep, try setting that [05:05:14] i should set like $wgserver="Pars_wiki" [05:05:16] yes? [05:06:07] i have add $wgserver="Pars_wiki"; to my localsetting.php [05:06:13] Did you read... [05:06:17] !wg Server [05:06:17] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgServer [05:06:44] I doubt you want $wgServer (capital S) to be "Pars_wiki". That certainly sounds incorrect. [05:06:45] you mean i should enter $wgserver="http://localhost/Pars_wiki"; [05:06:57] Where do you want to host the site? [05:07:10] i just have a server and static ip [05:07:22] Do you have a domain? [05:07:22] yeah, set it to your base URL, i.e. http://84.241.45.8 [05:07:28] i want to access this wiki from locally and from remoytte [05:07:51] I'm not sure you even need to set $wgServer these days. [05:07:54] But I don't think it hurts. [05:08:25] you mean i should set: $wgServer="http://84.241.45.8/Pars_wiki" [05:08:27] yes? [05:09:24] yes? [05:09:28] Does that address work correctly in a Web browser? [05:09:45] http://84.241.45.8/Pars_wiki you mean this? [05:10:05] Yes. [05:10:08] Does that load? [05:10:17] no, it is not working [05:13:17] Probably want to fix that first, then. [05:13:42] which what? [05:13:47] fix what? [05:15:15] "it is not working" [05:15:18] Fix it. [05:15:24] could you please use team viewer to remote and help me [05:15:25] ? [05:15:29] No. [05:15:35] it takes just 5 min [05:15:54] but i am your client, please help [05:16:13] That's not quite how time works. [05:16:33] it is difficult to run it? [05:16:45] Dunno. [05:16:51] You don't need TeamViewer. [05:17:01] but i am confused [05:17:06] you should help me [05:17:10] Just fix the site so that it serves on port 80. [05:17:16] You have an IP address. [05:17:23] Configure the Web server and you should be all set. [05:17:28] yes, i have ip static [05:17:31] It's not too difficult. If you need help, use a search engine. [05:17:46] Or you can ask in here, but if you ask in here, you'll need to be patient. [05:17:47] i map the port 80 in my router [05:17:50] And not be obnoxious. [05:18:02] please step by step [05:18:16] how can i configure the web server?? [05:18:36] Someone just sent me an article about this. [05:18:51] Look up "ars technica set up home web server". [05:19:10] There's an article about setting up nginx, I think. It should be pretty straightforward. [05:19:26] a min, i should search [05:19:36] http://arstechnica.com/series/web-served/ [05:19:38] Try that. [05:20:01] I think there might even be steps specifically about MediaWiki? [05:20:14] Ok, thanks, let me check:-) [05:20:15] "(1:17:57 PM) karami: but i am your client, please help" um... I think you might be misunderstanding how MediaWiki is developed and supported!! [05:20:41] maybe, sorry for this [05:20:51] oh, and it looks like you need to edit httpd-xampp.conf to permit external access [05:20:57] MediaWiki is free software. :-) [05:20:59] :) no worries! [07:11:31] hi [07:11:50] so toolserver will be shut down? what will replace it? [07:36:20] i have ip static, can i use this ip static to register in your web-site in order to have host name? [07:39:05] mediawiki has dns server? [08:09:47] Skizzerz, can you review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146400/ ? It's just one line of code and it's important I think :) Otherwise I'll have to open a bug. [08:12:47] rillke: I think he's asleep right now, but I +2'd it [08:14:00] oh, didn't realize that [08:14:08] thanks, legoktm [08:16:48] np [08:18:32] i use XAMPP software to run my wiki, i mapped the port 80 on my router [08:18:49] now i can access XAMPP by use of http://84.241.45.8 [08:19:09] but i can not access to my wiki by use of http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [08:19:22] if i use localhost, i can support [08:19:51] you've already been told that you need to just set $wgServer. [08:20:35] i should wirte: $wgServer="http://84.241.45.8/mywiki" [08:20:37] right? [08:20:49] yes [08:22:45] again i can not access [08:22:52] you can check it by use of url [08:22:55] i sent you [08:23:16] sasan: try setting it to $wgServer="http://84.241.45.8" [08:23:50] you mean i should do settings in my router also [08:23:51] ? [08:26:01] yes? [08:26:05] how can i do that? [08:26:23] how did you do it before? [08:27:15] i just map the port 80 and private ip [08:27:17] just this [08:28:24] i face that problem locally [08:28:25] also [08:28:32] i think it is a big problem [08:35:42] what happend? [08:50:58] could you help me? [09:09:51] hello, is there an extension for mediawiki that arranges items in sidebar according how popular items are? [09:17:19] could you help me? [09:53:43] could sb help me [09:53:46] with my wiki [09:53:50] i face a probelm [11:16:30] Hello, anyone with an experience of UI development and implementation(from designs) in mediawiki? [11:43:12] Funny https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Responses_to_How_to_Build_Wikipedia,_Redesign_the_Wikipedia_Software_as_Community [11:43:53] Wikipedia software? [11:44:34] lol [11:48:58] that was before phase3 :) [11:50:47] Yeah, I realised when I flicked through it and saw sourceforge [11:54:24] good old times... [13:21:50] Hello. How to enable Beta features (or at least VectorBeta skin) for all users, even non-logged in? [13:36:30] can somebody help me with a rewrite rule? I need to redirect only /wiki/ URLs to a www. but my RewriteCond isn't working at all [13:38:16] hi gleki & Towncivilian -- I don't know how to help you but just wanted to let you know about mediawiki-l in case you don't already [13:38:18] !lists [13:38:18] mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details. [14:00:42] thx [14:33:42] Towncivilian: pastebin your .htaccess [14:37:15] gleki: you have to add features in LocalSettings, such as $wgDefaultUserOptions['usebetatoolbar'] = 1; [14:37:27] gleki: is that the beta features you're talking about? [14:37:49] gleki: that's for WikiEditor, btw [14:41:31] wmat: will it enable only Wikieditor toolbar? I mean Beta features like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VectorBeta [14:43:34] gleki: yes, what I posted will. However, the VectorBeta beta features are enables using the variables on that page you just pasted. Just add that to LocalSettings [14:45:23] gleki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features explains all [14:47:45] wmat: no,i cant confirm that. neither experiment is displayed for non logged in users. i can enable it in user prefs manually but this clearly works only for one user [14:48:38] in fact this parameter is described as relevant to Wikieditor only [14:48:57] # Enables use of WikiEditor by default but still allow users to disable it in preferences [15:17:24] wmat, i ended up working around the problem, thanks though [16:05:54] hi, ihave a server, a pc, i run my wiki on it [16:06:03] its private ip is 192.168.1.235 [16:06:11] sasan: What OS? :) [16:06:28] i add $wgSerer="http://192.168.1.235/mywiki" to local setting.php [16:06:31] win 32bit [16:06:34] 'kay [16:07:04] but i can not access it through that link, "http://192.168.1.235/mywiki [16:07:20] sasan: It should be "http://192.168.1.235/" [16:07:23] Er sorry [16:07:25] sasan: It should be "http://192.168.1.235" [16:09:25] i should delte mywiki from link?? [16:14:12] thanks it is ok [16:14:19] just one other question [16:14:32] i use http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [16:14:52] to connect from remote, how can i change mywiki to another name??? [16:16:11] sasan: You can either change the directory name on the webserver or use a rewrite rule [16:16:17] !shorturl [16:16:17] To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at or try the new beta tool at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [16:16:21] See that. [16:16:55] let me see dear [16:16:59] thanks:-) [16:21:24] the first link is not valid [16:27:46] has anybody else problems to login at http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ [16:28:00] I get the warning that I had cookies disabled [16:30:35] if i just want to change mywiki to pars_wiki what should i do? [16:49:30] i can access to my wiki from remote with http://84.241.45.8/mywiki [16:49:46] can i chnage it to http://84.241.45.8/Pars_wiki [16:49:49] ? [17:17:29] hi fhocutt [17:17:44] hi sumanah! [17:18:10] fhocutt: I would love to hear how your Ruby resource-seeking has gone [17:19:32] emails drafted, will send very very shortly, and will ping Ashe. [17:19:44] yesterday I was mostly finishing up the evaluation for MW::Bot [17:21:01] Which is done except for editing the todos and writing a quick intro [17:21:13] got it [17:21:15] and I have emails drafted for MW::API and MW::Bot [17:21:50] nod [17:22:11] what's today looking like for you? [17:24:21] finish sending emails etc, finish up the Perl ones (expect a "here are my evals" email in ~30 min), and working on picking up Ruby + the less code-mechanics-related parts of the evaluation for MW:Gateway [17:24:51] OK. do you have Java appointments set up? [17:24:54] I may be having "code review at the Attic!" at the open house, I know a Java person there [17:25:05] oooh [17:25:42] and will be pinging Mithrandir for Thursday, probably [17:26:14] (have pinged) [17:26:15] Nod [17:26:30] ok. How is Frances momentum/morale? [17:26:36] as well as asking for Java resources, because my Java is a decade old and distinctly sketchy [17:27:09] pretty good. I have things to do, I can tie up ends, and I have enough things that I will have *something* to do! [17:27:26] :) [17:28:12] so yes, today sounds full of things that will probably work. :) [17:28:22] Yay. :) [17:28:35] All right! Go forth! [17:29:22] * fhocutt hears trumpets in the distance [17:49:19] Hi, No such action on Translate extension, i've manged to fixed by removing /wiki from .htaccess and LocalSettinngs.php [17:49:38] but i have no idea why this doesn't work when there is a /wiki as a rewrite rule [17:49:42] can anoyne help me on that [17:50:03] all this happening when calling api.php [17:51:43] * bawolff is not sure what the question is [18:01:24] sumanah: there is a channel ##new2ruby, where I just got several recommendations for resources! [18:24:47] the rain in NYC sounds impressively apocalyptic right now and makes me happy [18:25:15]

[18:26:41] I disproportionately love being indoors with a warm beverage when I can hear/see the rain or snow outside [18:27:22] You would love being at anchor in a sailboat during a squall. I have the exact same love for the experience. [18:28:27] Maybe I would :) [18:29:58] ok! time to triage a few RfCs and move them around on the RfC page. [18:31:54] sumanah: I now have more Ruby resources than I know what to do with! [18:32:02] :D: [18:32:10] (happy and unhappy simult.) [18:32:39] is good! ##new2ruby was very helpful. [18:32:43] AWESOME [18:32:43] and well-timed. [18:32:50] I'm glad you found stuff! [20:05:14] fhocutt: what Ruby resources are proving best for you right now? [20:05:42] although I haven't gotten your Perl evals yet [20:05:51] oh I speak too soon [20:06:12] * sumanah looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations#Perl [20:06:12] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations/MediaWiki-Bot [20:06:28] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code/Evaluations/MediaWiki-API [20:07:05] I'm reading the MediaWiki-Bot eval and liking it so far [20:07:12] formatting is very readable to me [20:07:18] suggestions look good [20:07:31] great. [20:07:32] "sloc" could use a hover notation as to what that means [20:08:30] fhocutt: "However, for someone who is new to the MediaWiki API and/or common designs for its associated client libraries, the sheer quantity of documentation and details is overwhelming" - in my experience, quantity is overwhelming if and only if there's a poor interface [20:09:00] hm, want to take a look at the docs and see what you think? [20:09:02] so maybe it's not just quantity, but sort of a sheer-rock-face quality [20:09:04] I shall! [20:09:35] "Can be used with the most recent stable version of the language it is written in (e.g. Python 3 compatible)" - could you specify here what version it's compatible with? [20:09:41] http://search.cpan.org/~lifeguard/MediaWiki-Bot-5.005007/lib/MediaWiki/Bot.pm [20:10:12] Perl 5--which is not strictly the most recent version but Perl 6 is not widely used... [20:10:31] so I suppose that should actually be a yellow check [20:10:44] it's up to Perl people [20:11:22] I feel as though I have heard that Perl 5 is really industry standard [20:11:32] that is also what I have heard [20:11:34] * brion has perl-traumatic stress disorder from decyphering scripts in the year 2000 [20:11:43] ooooh, I am so sorry :P [20:11:45] :) [20:11:49] "Issues/bugs are responded to in some manner within 3 weeks" - there's a check and a clock. What does that mean? [20:12:06] I submitted one yesterday, but previous ones were handled quickly [20:12:13] (Coren and scfe_de (available in #wikimedia-labs) are good perl people as well, if more are needed) [20:12:23] thanks, YuviPanda! [20:13:27] re: the docs, it jumps straight into a list of methods, without much context [20:14:08] I think it would have been fine if I was looking for a specific thing and could just ctrlF for that, it is nicely detailed [20:14:27] but looking at the docs overall, it is sort of like being hit with a wall of information [20:14:32] thoughts on that? [20:17:05] fhocutt: sure! I'll put it on my calendar :) [20:17:05] You're right [20:17:14] great, thanks YuviPanda! [20:17:20] fhocutt: this may be a Perl culture thing re reading CPAN docs in general [20:17:35] hm, possible [20:17:43] sorry fhocutt I am in a sudden mtg :/ back after that [20:17:48] k! [21:30:15] Is there a decent "bootstrap" theme for MediaWiki that is decent and doesn't require composer? [21:34:19] someone created some bootstrap skin somewhere [21:34:45] Yeah I've tried three already and some are broken ; one looks promising but requires this thing called composer that looks like total crap and the argument to use composer is bad [21:35:59] haha [21:36:26] you could probably use it without composer if you really wanted (i guess it depends on the code) [21:36:40] but my experience with composer is also summed up by avoiding it [21:37:29] <^d> I gave up avoiding composer because it's going to happen regardless of how I feel. [21:37:43] <^d> Still not *embracing* it though. [21:38:28] There is no need for composer. A document listing dependencies should be all that's necessary. Abstracting away dependencies doesn't help anybody. [21:40:33] Already lost the git fight, will not give in to composer :O [22:35:45] Should I report a bug from Extension:Variables (in wikimedia version control, but not used on WM projects) on wikimedia bugzilla? [22:36:19] And if not, where would be correct? [22:37:32]