[00:00:42] <Nemo_bis>	 example: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:LocalSettings.php/pt-br&action=history
[00:35:00] <Shales>	 Hi, I've been working on creating my own Skin for mediawiki and I've run into some porblems. These odd files (load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=site&only=styles&skin=myskin&* - And things like it try to load and tak AGES doing so - despite being small. My site should load in 1 second but takes 6 due these files. What are they?
[01:21:38] <Technical_13>	 I'm having trouble subst:ing a magic word... {{PAGESINCAT:spider race monsters|R}}  returns 95 (as it should) but {{subst:PAGESINCAT:spider race monsters|R}} is returning 0.  this is on a mw 1.19 wiki.
[01:22:07] <Technical_13>	 http://ddowiki.com/page/Category:Spider_race_monsters
[01:22:15] <Technical_13>	 is the category
[01:22:57] <Technical_13>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_Words says Variables and parser functions can use subst:, just like templates. This does not seem to be the case.
[03:28:13] <Betacommand>	 !api
[03:28:13] <wm-bot>	 The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at < https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API >. For client libraries in various languages, see < https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code >.
[03:39:09] <pmelton87>	 Quick question, how do you add an icon to your portal link that you place on article pages so that it is not just the generic puzzle piece? 
[03:41:16] <Carmela>	 Portal link?
[03:41:24] <Carmela>	 Generic puzzle piece?
[03:41:34] <Carmela>	 pmelton87: Can you clarify what you mean?
[03:42:54] <pmelton87>	 Yeah, if you go to the Kyrgyzstan Wikipedia page to the see also page you'll see the Kyrgyzstan Portal link on the right
[03:43:03] <pmelton87>	 it has a puzzle peice
[03:43:11] <Carmela>	 Oh, probably a wiki template.
[03:43:38] <pmelton87>	 yeah I can't find that template anywhere
[03:43:48] <pmelton87>	 I'm trying to figure out where it is
[03:43:52] <Carmela>	 Link a sample page?
[03:43:54] <Carmela>	 krg.wikipedia.org?
[03:44:08] <Carmela>	 I can't remember Kyrgyzstan.
[03:44:23] <pmelton87>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan#See_also
[03:44:30] <Carmela>	 Oh.
[03:44:46] <Carmela>	 So you click [edit source].
[03:44:54] <Carmela>	 Then click the "Show preview" button.
[03:45:16] <Carmela>	 Then you'll have a list of templates used on the page below the edit window.
[03:45:19] <Carmela>	 It's a stupid bug.
[03:45:22] <Carmela>	 We really should fix that.
[03:45:40] <pmelton87>	 ah ok I'll check it out
[03:45:43] <Carmela>	 Ah, so it's using Template:portal with an underlying Scribunto Lua module.
[03:45:54] <Carmela>	 "{{portal|Kyrgyzstan}}" is the calling code.
[03:46:02] <Carmela>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kyrgyzstan&action=edit&section=35
[03:46:10] <Carmela>	 So go there and click "Show preview" and you'll see the list of templates and modules.
[03:46:14] <Carmela>	 Below the edit window.
[03:46:19] <pmelton87>	 ok
[03:46:35] <Carmela>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Portal && https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Portal
[03:46:39] <Carmela>	 I guess.
[03:47:37] <Carmela>	 That seems kind of complicated for a stupid box.
[03:47:48] <pmelton87>	 uh.. yeah lol
[03:47:48] <Carmela>	 You can just make a simple template yourself.
[03:47:57] <Carmela>	 It's just a div.
[03:48:27] <pmelton87>	 it's not that big of a deal, I was hoping it would be an easy copy and paste a link the the icon...
[03:48:28] <Carmela>	 <div style="float:right;">[[File:foo.png]] bar</div>
[03:48:54] <Carmela>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal&action=edit&oldid=511825097 is the old version.
[03:49:02] <Carmela>	 Which is also insanely fucking complicated.
[03:50:06] <Carmela>	 Oh, it's got its own mini dictionary built in.
[03:50:10] <pmelton87>	 sounds like it...
[03:50:13] <Carmela>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Portal/images/f&action=edit
[03:50:21] <Carmela>	 Yeah, just make a template.
[03:50:27] <Carmela>	 Go to the page "Template:Portal" on your wiki.
[03:50:29] <Carmela>	 Put...
[03:50:49] <Carmela>	 <div style="float:right;">[[File:foo.png]] [[{{{1}}}]]</div>
[03:50:58] <Carmela>	 Where "foo.png" is whatever image you upload to your wiki.
[03:51:09] <Carmela>	 Might want to set up InstantCommons as well.
[03:56:52] <pmelton87>	 Ok thanks!
[03:56:52] <pmelton87>	 I'll get it fixed
[04:19:30] <sasan>	 hi, 
[04:19:32] <sasan>	 i use this code
[04:19:33] <sasan>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary'] = $wgGroupPermissions['user'];  $wgRevokePermission['ordinary']['edit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = true;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[04:19:41] <sasan>	 i define a group called ordinary
[04:19:48] <sasan>	 but this group can edit
[04:19:52] <sasan>	 i do not want to edit
[04:59:18] <Carmela>	 RevokePermission sounds made-up.
[04:59:31] <Carmela>	 Just change that to GroupPermissions
[04:59:37] <Carmela>	 And then set it to false, I guess?
[04:59:59] <Carmela>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary']['edit'] = false;
[05:00:01] <Carmela>	 Try taht.
[05:00:02] <Carmela>	 That.
[05:00:28] <sasan>	 a min
[05:07:58] <sasan>	  <Carmela> no it is not ok
[05:08:24] <sasan>	 i use this
[05:08:24] <sasan>	  <Carmela>
[05:08:44] <sasan>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary'] = $wgGroupPermissions['user'];  $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = true;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[05:10:41] <Carmela>	 sasan: Have you visited the page "Special:ListGroupRights" on your wiki?
[05:11:25] <sasan>	 yes
[05:14:39] <sasan>	 <Carmela>  but i an not change the permissions of ordinary group
[05:14:44] <sasan>	 i do not know why:(
[05:16:46] <sasan>	 could you help me??
[05:18:56] <sasan>	 <Carmela> could you help me??
[05:19:31] <Carmela>	 Is your wiki public?
[05:20:23] <sasan>	 for any user no, 
[05:20:32] <sasan>	 i want the user to register in my wiki
[05:20:49] <sasan>	 if i confirm them i will add the to ordinary group and can see
[05:20:52] <sasan>	 not edit
[05:21:19] <Carmela>	 !access
[05:21:19] <wm-bot>	 For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[05:21:24] <Carmela>	 Did you read the second link?
[05:21:43] <sasan>	 yes, i have add those commands from second link
[05:21:58] <sasan>	 the second one is now bad link
[05:22:08] <Carmela>	 Remove the ">".
[05:22:44] <sasan>	 yes, i ahve seen this before
[05:22:55] <sasan>	 i define a group called ordinary by use of this command
[05:23:07] <sasan>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary'] = $wgGroupPermissions['user'];
[05:23:09] <sasan>	 is it ok?
[05:24:16] <sasan>	 is the definition methos ok?
[05:26:48] <sasan>	  <Carmela>: it is ok?
[05:26:49] <sasan>	 or not
[05:27:47] <Carmela>	 How are you testing whether users in the ordinary group can edit?
[05:28:43] <sasan>	 i register a user, and add him to ordinary 
[05:28:47] <sasan>	 but he can edit
[05:28:49] <Carmela>	 Okay, you're missing
[05:29:09] <Carmela>	 $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false;
[05:29:10] <Carmela>	 Maybe.
[05:29:56] <sasan>	 you mean this
[05:29:56] <sasan>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary'] = $wgGroupPermissions['user'];  $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = true;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[05:30:03] <Skizzerz>	 Carmela: RevokePermissions is a thing
[05:30:07] <Skizzerz>	 and does exactly what it sounds like
[05:30:25] <Skizzerz>	 (note that it is plural though)
[05:30:49] <Skizzerz>	 but for what sasan is doing, it is not necessary
[05:31:36] <Skizzerz>	 sasan: that looks right, although you don't need the very first line, and you also need $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false;
[05:31:50] <Skizzerz>	 note that permissions are additive, if you belong to any group that has a permission set to true, you have that permission
[05:31:59] <Skizzerz>	 '*' and 'user' are implicit groups that all logged in users are part of
[05:32:40] <Skizzerz>	 $wgRevokePermissions provides a correlary to unconditionally remove a permission, if any group you are in has a permission revoked, you will *never* get that permission no matter what
[05:32:45] <sasan>	 but new user which are registered can see my wiki
[05:32:52] <sasan>	 i do not want them to see my wiki
[05:33:06] <Skizzerz>	 so use an extension to approve registrations?
[05:33:08] <sasan>	 they should assign to ordinary and then can see the wiki
[05:33:23] <Skizzerz>	 !e ConfirmAccount comes to mind
[05:33:23] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount_comes_to_mind
[05:33:25] <Skizzerz>	 er
[05:33:29] <Skizzerz>	 !e ConfirmAccount
[05:33:29] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[05:33:32] <Skizzerz>	 silly wm-bot 
[05:33:48] <Skizzerz>	 if that doesn't work for you for some reason, you also need $wgGroupPermissions['user']['read'] = false;
[05:33:54] <Skizzerz>	 because again, all logged in users are members of 'user'
[05:34:07] <sasan>	 i have add that
[05:34:08] <sasan>	 please see
[05:34:25] <sasan>	 $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary'] = $wgGroupPermissions['user'];  $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = true;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[05:34:30] <sasan>	 i have add
[05:34:32] <Skizzerz>	 no you don't have that
[05:34:41] <Skizzerz>	 you have '*' read
[05:34:45] <Skizzerz>	 you ALSO need 'user' read
[05:35:54] <sasan>	 after i add this, it show error in acessing
[05:36:01] <sasan>	 it did not let me do some thing
[05:36:16] <Skizzerz>	 how useful
[05:36:24] <Skizzerz>	 perhaps try doing the thing
[05:36:41] <Skizzerz>	 or, perhaps, be more specific as to WHAT error and WHAT thing you are trying to do
[05:39:13] <Skizzerz>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restricting_access#Restrict_editing_by_all_non-sysop_users
[05:39:19] <Skizzerz>	 replace 'sysop' in that example with 'ordinary'
[05:39:33] <Skizzerz>	 (or add $wgGroupPermissions['ordinary']['edit'] = true; as another line there)
[05:39:38] <Skizzerz>	 that will do what you need
[05:39:49] <Skizzerz>	 then repeat with read instead of edit
[05:40:27] <Skizzerz>	 the 8 lines you generated following that should be all you need
[05:42:31] <sasan>	 <Skizzerz>: but i need ordinary not to edit
[05:42:51] <Skizzerz>	 so make their edit line be false instead of true
[05:43:33] <Skizzerz>	 anyway, I'm heading off, hopefully you are able to figure out the rest on your own from here
[07:51:18] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Current_issues/Installation_guide_consolidation
[08:15:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Ouch, I have a backlog https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit/Reports/Open_changesets_by_newbie_owner&diff=1096636&oldid=1070698
[09:51:03] <GPHemsley>	 Is there a page that details the changes from one LTS release to another (e.g. 1.19 to 1.23)?
[09:54:17] <Nemo_bis>	 GPHemsley: do you mean release notes? or upgrading instructions?
[09:54:26] <GPHemsley>	 release notes, mostly
[09:54:49] <Nemo_bis>	 GPHemsley: no, just read the 4 pages about the releases after 1.19
[09:55:11] <GPHemsley>	 hmm, ok
[09:55:16] <Nemo_bis>	 They're always short, unlike the full release notes
[09:57:54] <GPHemsley>	 Nemo_bis: Which one is this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20
[09:58:54] <GPHemsley>	 oh, nevermind
[09:58:59] * GPHemsley should read before asking
[10:11:42] <Nemo_bis>	 Which reminds me, has the MobileFrontend diff fixed to match with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20#Diff, or is it still using unaccessible colours? Maybe thedj knows
[10:22:33] <thedj>	 Nemo_bis: still the same colors i think...
[10:30:00] <Nemo_bis>	 sob :(
[10:45:54] <justin_zw>	 Okay, now that I'm in the right chat... Would anyone know what would cause this error? http://pastebin.com/6UTQZCsA
[10:46:41] <justin_zw>	 I rsynced two identical copies of the wiki together to restore uploaded images that were lost during a server outage, and then the javascript broke and I started getting 403s on that call.
[10:58:11] <Nemo_bis>	 justin_zw: you probably mixed two uncompatible releaes
[10:58:26] <justin_zw>	 They're the same release.
[10:58:42] <justin_zw>	 I know they are because they're only a couple weeks apart, and I didn't upgrade anything.
[10:58:49] <bawolff_>	 403 probably means permmissions
[10:59:00] <justin_zw>	 I know, but I don't know what file to check
[10:59:06] <bawolff_>	 check user rsync synced stuff as
[10:59:07] <justin_zw>	 load.php is 755
[10:59:08] <Nemo_bis>	 find does
[10:59:21] <justin_zw>	 And I did a full chown -R to the new user on the entire wiki directory.
[10:59:40] <Nemo_bis>	 hammer: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Chmod#Recursion
[10:59:59] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Manual_talk:Chmod/Appropriate_command_for_MediaWiki
[11:01:25] <justin_zw>	 Don't they need the execute bit?
[11:01:32] <justin_zw>	 And I'm not chmodding the whole thing to 777
[11:01:43] <justin_zw>	 That is literally the "hit it with a hammer" solution >.>
[12:00:06] <wikinoob>	 hi
[12:00:26] <wikinoob>	 i'm trying to make a list of pages that belong to the same category. 
[12:00:39] <wikinoob>	 lats say category "linux" and pages "commends"  "installation" "kernel" will be under the same title 
[12:09:35] <wikinoob>	 bd808: hii here
[12:09:56] <wikinoob>	 :-) ?
[12:10:30] <bd808>	 Have you tired adding the tag in the wikitext of your MainPage? "<categorytree mode=pages>linux</categorytree>"
[12:11:31] <wikinoob>	 yes and it's look nice but i get like [-] on the left of the "linux" title
[12:12:47] <wikinoob>	 if i click on the [-] it become [+] and the list disappeared 
[12:13:04] <bd808>	 That's the expand/collapse gadget for the list. I think there is an option to disable it but I don't remember what it is
[12:13:40] <bd808>	 Maybe "<categorytree mode=pages hideroot=on>"?
[12:15:11] <wikinoob>	 bd808: now the title is completely gone
[12:17:05] <bd808>	 Add "== Linux ==" just before the tag? Read the config page and try some of the other options? Look at the generated html and see if you can make the changes you want with custom css?
[12:19:12] <wikinoob>	 bd808: it add a brake line under the title
[12:22:29] <bd808>	 ""== whatever ==" will generate an <H2/> tag. You may want just plain text or bold or whatever instead.
[12:23:01] <bd808>	 wikinoob: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting may give you some ideas
[12:24:21] <wikinoob>	 bd808: grate find!
[12:24:52] <wikinoob>	 you know maybe where is the css file?
[12:24:59] <wikinoob>	 i want to edit the #bodyContent
[12:25:16] <wikinoob>	 make the font a bit bigger
[12:26:31] <bd808>	 wikinoob: There is a cool feature that is enabled by default where the css can be augmented by editing the page named "MediaWiki:Common.css"
[12:27:12] <bd808>	 wikinoob: Some information available at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface
[12:28:01] <wikinoob>	 http://ip/mediawiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.cssMain_Page
[12:28:20] <wikinoob>	 it's offer me to create the page
[12:30:33] <bd808>	 wikinoob: Yes. I think your pasted example URL is slightly wrong but making a new page is expected. URL is probably <http://ip/mediawiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.css> without the Main_Page bit on the end
[12:31:35] <bd808>	 For example on enwiki the page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[12:32:53] <wikinoob>	 i get /* CSS placed here will be applied to all skins */
[12:32:58] <wikinoob>	 bd808: 
[12:34:16] <wikinoob>	 wooooooorrrrkkkk!!!!! awome!
[12:34:27] <bd808>	 ++cool
[12:34:44] <bd808>	 Go forth and tweak all the things
[12:35:23] <wikinoob>	 there is an option to show  code?
[12:35:36] <wikinoob>	 like <pre> <pre> tag?
[12:36:46] <wikinoob>	 woooookr! bd808 you bring me the luck :-)
[13:08:46] <wikinoob>	 hi
[13:09:08] <wikinoob>	 how i can edit tag in the media wiki
[13:09:46] <wikinoob>	 there is a bug that make the text flooding out of the page
[13:13:08] <wikinoob>	 bd808|BUFFER: ?
[13:13:24] <svetlana>	 how can you what?
[13:21:25] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: how i can add this editor to my wiki?
[13:21:25] <wikinoob>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
[13:22:10] <svetlana>	 You have to follow installation instructions on the page you just linked. I did that a few months ago and it worked. (If it works for you and you'd like to volunteer translating the documentation, you're welcome to do so.)
[13:25:48] <wikinoob>	 it's nice that  you want me to translate it.. but for now.. i'm really disappointed from the support here and from the sooooo un-understandable guides thereis alos of text that is sooooo confusing an i'm feel lost. and i'm IT guy.
[13:25:57] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: ^
[13:26:15] <svetlana>	 I see.
[13:26:19] <svetlana>	 how far did you get?
[13:26:38] <svetlana>	 it says, step one, download it the visualeditor extension.
[13:27:12] <svetlana>	 before doing this, it suggests to install Parsoid extension, it improves performance. the parsoid extension is linked.
[13:28:36] <wikinoob>	 my wiki is old 
[13:29:00] <svetlana>	 you have to upgrade first I think; nobody ever tested or supported old versions with visualeditor
[13:29:01] <wikinoob>	 1.19.16+dfsg-0+deb7u1
[13:29:07] <svetlana>	 :(
[13:29:34] <wikinoob>	 but it installed today 
[13:29:37] <James_F>	 wikinoob: VisualEditor only works in 1.23 and above.
[13:29:38] <svetlana>	 installing mediawiki is relatively easy, but upgrading it is a pain imho.
[13:30:02] <wikinoob>	 James_F: how come it is not up to date??
[13:30:27] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, a question to Debian people. that's where you installed from. Debian comes with slightly out of date software.
[13:30:50] <wikinoob>	 i'm start to think thet the media wiki is a lime product.
[13:30:52] <James_F>	 wikinoob: Debian developers aren't interested in keeping their MediaWiki fork up to date. Complain to them.
[13:31:17] <James_F>	 wikinoob: Real MediaWiki isn't available through apt-get, you have to manually install the tars right now.
[13:31:47] <justin_zw>	 So a minor update on my problem. I think I've isolated the broken requests to the MwEmbedSupport extension.
[13:31:48] <wikinoob>	 so how i can't update it?
[13:32:00] <justin_zw>	 But... removing it from the site completely results in a 500 error.
[13:33:11] <wikinoob>	 James_F:  svetlana what kind of software is that?? you cant update it?? only re install
[13:34:10] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: you can update it; I just don't like the process and it causes a lot of nasty memories.
[13:34:14] <svetlana>	 It is documented here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[13:34:21] <wikinoob>	 it is so bizarre thing.
[13:34:59] <svetlana>	 I'm especially frustrated as I'm 60% sure that debian folks put MediaWiki into wrong directory with wrong permissions all over the place.
[13:35:28] <svetlana>	 Dealing with upgrading their install means extra time waste.
[13:36:44] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: so.. install from zero?
[13:36:56] <svetlana>	 I would do that, yes. Took me 20 minutes earlier today.
[13:37:05] <svetlana>	 On a Debian-based laptop.
[13:37:24] <wikinoob>	 and next year i need to also start from 0?
[13:37:40] <svetlana>	 No, it's okay, upgrading from your own install is much easier.
[13:39:05] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: why now i cant do it?
[13:39:33] <svetlana>	 You can if you like, but if you encounter oddities caused by how Debian people think, I'll not be able to guess what it is.
[13:40:06] <SomeoneWeird>	 Hey guys, is there an easy way to be able to allow administrators to access user rights editing too?
[13:40:08] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: ok.. what version of debian to install 7 oh 8?
[13:40:14] <justin_zw>	 Has there ever been a case where MwEmbedSupport breaks a site's JS? Because it's the cause of my problems for some reason.
[13:40:24] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, Debian version is ok. Something stable.
[13:40:27] <bawolff>	 Mwembedsupport sucks
[13:40:44] <justin_zw>	 I need it for TimedMediaHandler, though, bawolff.
[13:40:47] <wikinoob>	 what you installed on the laptop?
[13:40:52] <justin_zw>	 Unless there's an alternative.
[13:41:08] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, apache2, and its php module.
[13:41:37] <wikinoob>	 but what version of debian? debian wheezy or jessie
[13:42:00] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, a debian derivative (which is worse than debian itself from what I could notice).
[13:42:13] <tgr>	 SomeoneWeird: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[13:42:20] <bawolff>	 Its particular about where the directory the extensiob is in
[13:42:38] <justin_zw>	 Would symlinks have anything to do with that?
[13:42:42] <tgr>	 specifically, $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['userrights'] = true
[13:42:50] <justin_zw>	 Because our /var/www/zeldawiki is a symlink to a mounted drive.
[13:43:29] <SomeoneWeird>	 tgr: ahh thanks! i actually tried administrator instead of sysop, how can I find the name of groups to use?
[13:43:29] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: you can do cat /etc/issue for sec :-)
[13:43:48] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, ubuntu 14.04 lts.
[13:43:49] <tgr>	 SomeoneWeird: same page, towards the end
[13:44:06] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, I hope you're not re-installing the entire distro at the moment.
[13:44:19] <tgr>	 SomeoneWeird: if you have a heavily modified site, you can find out what the current setup is by visiting Special:ListGroupRights
[13:44:45] <wikinoob>	 on dual Xeon it will take few min...
[13:45:56] <justin_zw>	 bawolff: I even did a fresh install of the extension with no luck.
[13:47:21] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: i'm almost finish to install debian 7
[13:48:42] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: Booting time!
[13:48:49] <wikinoob>	 DONE!
[13:49:09] <wikinoob>	 you have clean debian 7 machine!
[13:49:24] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: ^
[13:49:39] <justin_zw>	 Can anyone provide a little more information on the MwEmbedSupport thing? I want to fix it and keep it enabled if at all possible. As I said, we depend on it for the TimedMediaHandler extension.
[13:49:53] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: right, then just follow the install guide. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu#Step-By-Step :)
[13:50:03] <svetlana>	 wait, wrong distro, one second
[13:50:22] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux#Step-By-Step is for debian.
[13:50:59] <tgr>	 justin_zw: is there a bugzilla ticket for the issue? or some other detailed description?
[13:51:02] <wikinoob>	 apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5
[13:52:17] <wikinoob>	 download.. 
[13:52:28] <wikinoob>	 60%
[13:52:53] <justin_zw>	 tgr: Not as far as I can tell. I've googled it and come up with nothing.
[13:53:11] <tgr>	 justin_zw: can you add one then? :)
[13:53:19] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: the installation ask me for password for the "root" user
[13:53:35] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: of mysql?
[13:53:39] <wikinoob>	 yes
[13:53:58] <justin_zw>	 tgr: I can try. My bugzilla account for MediaWiki is... bugged :P
[13:53:58] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: install mysql, make a password, add a non-root user and give mediawiki that.
[13:54:46] <svetlana>	 wikinoob, actually the manual says to use root password. so: install mysql, set a root password, and give mediawiki that.
[13:54:50] <wikinoob>	 "add a non-root user and give mediawiki that" chines 
[13:55:26] <tgr>	 justin_zw: you can just put it on pastebin and share the link, I can create the ticket if that's the problematic part
[13:56:10] <justin_zw>	 I don't think there's a point, though, TBH. We run 1.21, so it'll likely just get marked as #wontfix
[13:56:24] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: why i need phpadmin?
[13:56:41] <wikinoob>	 phpmyadmin??
[13:56:42] <Reedy>	 justin_zw: Not really
[13:57:15] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: I did not need it. try to skip.
[13:57:25] <justin_zw>	 Well, if there's a chance it won't be ignored, then I'll provide all the information.
[13:57:46] <wikinoob>	 imagemagick?
[13:57:57] <Reedy>	 It does partially depend if it's been fixed on master already
[13:58:05] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: imagemagick provides useful file conversion tools.
[13:58:18] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: if you'd like people to upload images to the wiki, then you need imagemagick.
[13:58:31] <svetlana>	 otherwise you're welcome to skip it I believe.
[14:00:58] <justin_zw>	 svetlana: Yeah, you're right. You don't need imagemagick if you aren't allowing uploads.
[14:01:02] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: how i create the db for mediawiki?
[14:02:16] <svetlana>	 wikinoob: what database engine are you using?
[14:03:06] <wikinoob>	 the guide say mysql-server..
[14:04:09] <svetlana>	 OK.
[14:04:14] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: the guide say mysql-server.. but how to create it - missing
[14:04:32] <svetlana>	 I agree. I am taking notes and I will try to make the install guide more clear.
[14:04:34] <svetlana>	 One moment.
[14:05:07] <svetlana>	 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-database.html
[14:05:12] <svetlana>	 bawolff: around?
[14:07:11] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: what is ftp server?
[14:07:46] <svetlana>	 I'd like to shoot whoever wrote that guide. why would it ever mention an ftp server?
[14:08:22] <svetlana>	 it's optional. please try to skip.
[14:08:54] <wikinoob>	 apt-get install php-apc php5-intl imagemagick
[14:09:09] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: this is the next thing het i do.
[14:09:13] <wikinoob>	 apt-get install php-apc php5-intl imagemagick
[14:11:09] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: i download this version?
[14:11:10] <wikinoob>	 download
[14:11:15] <wikinoob>	 opss
[14:11:28] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.23/mediawiki-1.23.2.tar.gz
[14:11:33] <svetlana>	 yup
[14:12:00] <svetlana>	 is anyone on earth awake here? I didn't expect helping people at midnight to be within my weekend timetable ...
[14:12:35] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: pay you via paypal :-) ?
[14:14:23] <wikinoob>	 i think the problem here is that too may people go in an out and it's make the conversion annoying   
[14:14:35] <svetlana>	 heh :)
[14:15:26] <wikinoob>	 done with the apt-get ..
[14:15:44] <svetlana>	 ok good
[14:16:07] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: now to what folder i need to download the mediawiki-1.23.2.tar.gz ?
[14:16:59] <svetlana>	 anything your webserver likes to read, such as /var/www/ for example
[14:17:31] <svetlana>	 that's the apache default (and apache is a webserver)
[14:17:39] <svetlana>	 justin_zw, :)
[14:17:43] <wikinoob>	 svetlana: i put it in /var/www/wiki/
[14:18:02] <svetlana>	 thanks. justin_zw is helping you more. I'm heading to sleep; happy install. :)
[14:18:44] <justin_zw>	 svetlana: Have fun. wikinoob: Did you extract the archive or is it still in .tar.gz?
[14:18:46] <wikinoob>	 what is the time in your end?
[14:19:20] <svetlana>	 18 minutes past midnight, and I'm only today recovering from a cold. sleep should be an especially nice thing to have.
[14:19:20] <wikinoob>	 and thank you for every thing! you are awesome!
[14:20:07] <svetlana>	 I should switch the computer on again when I wake up in the morning, and leave it on for the day, so I hope to talk to you again.
[14:20:26] <wikinoob>	 svetlana:  have a cup of worm milk and go to sleep :)
[14:20:50] <justin_zw>	 Yes, go to sleep. I can help him finish the install :P
[14:20:55] <svetlana>	 thanks :)
[14:21:06] <wikinoob>	 good night :)
[14:21:18] <justin_zw>	 wikinoob: Have you installed Apache?
[14:21:28] <justin_zw>	 I don't know how far you've gotten
[14:21:42] <justin_zw>	 So just recap the steps you've taken.
[14:22:51] <wikinoob>	 justin_zw: you see my PM
[15:14:33] <BPositive>	 Hi I am using mediawiki vagrant and wish to run parser tests. I tried using tests/phpunit/phpunit.php but got a DB Connection error
[15:15:09] <wikinoob>	 justin_zw: 
[15:15:38] <BPositive>	 the error is "DB connection error: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost)
[15:15:38] <BPositive>	 "
[15:16:47] <wikinoob>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/VisualEditor
[15:17:22] <valhallasw`mania>	 addshore: ALL THE CHANNELS 
[15:18:07] <wikinoob>	 what id this snapshot?
[15:18:19] <wikinoob>	 what is this snapshot? *
[15:18:20] <wikinoob>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor?extdist_extension=VisualEditor&extdist_version=REL1_23&extdist_submit=Continue
[15:35:17] <wikinoob>	 hi.
[15:35:42] <wikinoob>	 i  have very big bug in the system.
[15:37:46] <wikinoob>	 if i'm write  in english it's show from left to right. but if i write in hebrew it's also show from left to right - this is very very big problem!!
[15:40:36] <tale>	 wikinoob: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Directionality_support
[15:43:18] <wikinoob>	 tale: i see it.. but i cant understand how to solve is..
[15:45:26] <tale>	 wikinoob: I know nothing about right to left text. I just found that document page by googling mediawiki right to left
[15:45:56] <wikinoob>	 Yaron: ?
[15:46:36] <wikinoob>	 Danny_B: ?
[15:46:49] <tale>	 wikinoob: You might try reading that page twice, and if still problems then ask on this channel.
[15:47:27] <wikinoob>	 tale: i read it more then that.. give me some credit..
[15:50:46] <wikinoob>	 Yaron: אתה בסביבה?
[16:06:34] <Yaron>	 wikinoob: hi, ken!
[16:07:04] <Yaron>	 ...but I don't know anything about directional language support in MediaWiki.
[16:07:31] <wikinoob>	 Yaron: שלחתי לך פרטי
[16:07:45] <Yaron>	 Right.
[16:07:47] <^d>	 .ltr_ne esu I
[18:59:50] <Feather>	 Is there anyway to render additonal content before the <body> tags in Mediawiki? I've been hard at work on a blogging extension for mediawiki, and in order to include modern features like Facebook sharing, I need to have some meta tags above the body tags.
[19:01:39] <Feather>	 I've located 'addHeadItem' but it doesn't seem to be working.
[19:02:11] <Carmela>	 ^d: :-)
[19:06:29] <bawolff_>	 Feather, make sure you are not using outputpage from a parser hook (other hooks are fine)
[19:08:43] <Feather>	 bawolff_, no hooks, just getOutput. Hmm, I'm using a custom skin and it's possible that whatever manages output above the body tag is missing.
[19:20:06] <bawolff_>	 Yeah thats possible
[20:35:03] <Krenair>	 !hss
[20:35:03] <wm-bot>	 ZOMG!! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/6/69/Hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[23:09:23] <exploreshaifali>	 Question: Can I start working for project mentioned in FOSS internship programs now?
[23:09:57] <exploreshaifali>	 I am new to FOSS world so asking this
[23:14:11] <exploreshaifali>	 ??
[23:19:43] <FoxT>	 exploreshaifali: Yes! You should get in contact with the mentors first, though. They can give you more information on what a particular project is all about.
[23:21:33] <exploreshaifali>	 I tried for that but unfortunately didn't got any response; probably because he would be busy.
[23:21:44] <exploreshaifali>	 So what else I can do?
[23:24:01] <FoxT>	 You could write a mail to the mediawiki mailing list. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[23:24:21] <exploreshaifali>	 I want glimpse of data and its annotations for Wikimedia Performance Portal
[23:24:28] <exploreshaifali>	 here is link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Wikimedia_Performance_portal
[23:25:24] <FoxT>	 ori: ^^
[23:25:47] <exploreshaifali>	 okay I will mail to mailing list
[23:26:03] <FoxT>	 exploreshaifali: Good luck!
[23:26:13] <exploreshaifali>	 Thanks alot!
[23:26:14] <Quasar`>	 Since I maintain a fork of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Monaco which is updated to work with 1.23, includes a new sidebar widget framework, and has various other fixes and tweaks, would it be appropriate for me to put some info about it here? I'm 50 commits ahead of dantman/monaco-port, which no longer even loads w/MW > 1.20 w/o modification.
[23:26:33] <Quasar`>	 A lot of sites use this and have customized it and almost none of them have open sourced their work.
[23:29:28] <FoxT>	 Quasar`: What about sending a patch request to dantman?
[23:30:03] <Quasar`>	 he hadn't modified it for close to two years when I forked it, so I think it's off his radar
[23:30:35] <Quasar`>	 also I still have one or two small changes I don't think would be appropriate to push back to him
[23:30:58] <Quasar`>	 but are trivial for somebody using the code to tweak for their own site if they needed to do so
[23:31:55] <FoxT>	 Ok, do as you like of course. Anyway, to announce something, I'd post it to the mailing list.
[23:34:27] <onei>	 Quasar`: I think Dantman made that version of monaco when wikia changed to oasis, I doubt he ever had any intention of supporting it long term
[23:34:34] <Quasar`>	 right
[23:36:35] <onei>	 I believe shoutwiki support some version of monaco though, probably based on that original port
[23:36:45] <Quasar`>	 they do, however it is not open source.
[23:36:52] <onei>	 really?
[23:37:05] <Quasar`>	 it's not listed with thier FOSS plugins, at least
[23:37:13] <Quasar`>	 err, their
[23:41:01] <onei>	 you can ask them directly in #shoutwiki
[23:41:38] <onei>	 they're practically volunteers iirc so I assume they'd want any help available
[23:41:46] <Quasar`>	 well I'm pretty good where I'm at, I just thought my work might be of benefit to others as well
[23:42:09] <Quasar`>	 it's all on github for the taking
[23:42:51] <MatmaRex>	 ashley will probably know all about shoutwiki things
[23:44:49] <ashley>	 hi!
[23:46:50] <ashley>	 ShoutWiki's version of Monaco predates the so-called monaco-port by about a year or so and it was entirely done by me; dantman later on published his fork, based on a newer version of Monaco, and it became relatively popular
[23:47:44] <ashley>	 it's true that our version's not (yet) open source, but maybe we'll open-source it, because it's already enabled everywhere on ShoutWiki
[23:48:02] <ashley>	 as for skins from ShoutWiki in general...stay tuned! we have some pretty nifty stuff coming up soon ;)
[23:48:07] <Quasar`>	 cool.
[23:48:11] <Quasar`>	 I'll keep an eye out.
[23:48:18] <SamB>	 how can there be a fork that is open source when yours isn't?
[23:48:39] <Quasar`>	 GPLv2 doesn't count serving code from a website as distribution AFAIK
[23:49:42] <Quasar`>	 that is, code that's processed on the server entirely, like php