[00:05:20] <wget>	 Hi guys. Do you have a way to get titles like with == My titles ==, but for this specific title remove entry from the TOC?
[00:26:37] <jackmcbarn>	 wget: sort of. look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fake_heading and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Toc_limit
[00:27:38] <wget>	 jackmcbarn: Cool. Thanks. DO you know if such an heading has an id HTML tag for direct linking?
[00:28:11] <jackmcbarn>	 wget: i don't think so, but it shouldn't be difficult to add
[00:28:22] <wget>	 jackmcbarn: yep indeed
[00:42:09] <wget>	 jackmcbarn: Do you know if there is a way to shift a whole part of text, without specifying a colon at each line?
[00:42:38] <jackmcbarn>	 wget: <blockquote>
[00:43:18] <Carmela>	 Or you can use a div with a margin or padding.
[00:44:36] <wget>	 jackmcbarn: Unfortunatelly it breaks the template used to put commands in evidence ( {{ic|my command}} and {{bc|my long command}} on the ARchLinux wiki)
[00:44:59] <wget>	 Carmela: I cannot use any HTML tags on the Wiki. There is a permanent bot is cleaning.
[00:45:32] <Carmela>	 Block the bot?
[00:45:32] <jackmcbarn>	 wget: tell whoever's running that bot to shut it down. that's totally stupid
[06:45:07] <sasan>	 hi, i run my wiki on server, pc
[06:45:14] <sasan>	 a pc
[06:45:26] <sasan>	 now i want to transfer my wiki to my website
[06:45:30] <sasan>	 what should i do?
[06:59:07] <sasan>	 could any body help me?
[07:09:00] <shaikatz>	 Hi, I need some help with Visual Editor installation in Ubuntu, i've followed all the manuals but in the end the "Edit" button isn't responding.
[07:25:59] <tlund>	 sasan: only if you ask a question
[07:32:40] <sasan>	 <tlund>  what?
[07:33:24] <tlund>	 #mediawiki <sasan> could any body help me?
[07:33:25] <tlund>	 #mediawiki <tlund> sasan: only if you ask a question
[07:33:59] <sasan>	 i have a server, a pc, which i run my wiki there
[07:33:59] <sasan>	 with xampp
[07:34:06] <sasan>	 84.241.45.8/pars_wiki
[07:34:19] <sasan>	 now i want to upload this wiki on my website
[07:34:22] <sasan>	 how can i do that?
[07:50:19] <sasan>	 could anybody help me with my question?
[08:07:42] <sasan>	 Could any body answer meee???
[08:14:03] <sasan>	 why not answer me??
[08:38:46] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 sasan (I didn't click on your link) I assume you can install the wiki software on your server? then you have several options:
[08:38:58] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 1. make a dump from your current sql and import to the new wiki
[08:39:17] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 2. use wikiteam's softwrae to import into new wiki: https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam
[08:39:59] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 (point 2 doesn't require you fiddling with the Db server, so ideal for laymen)
[08:43:20] <sasan>	 <Erkan_Yilmaz>  you mean i can downlaod the wiki team software and then backup?
[08:43:49] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 yes, you can backup with that your local wiki's edits
[08:43:57] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 and then install on your server the wiki software
[08:44:02] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 and import that backup
[08:44:07] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 should work nicely
[08:44:30] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 careful with long names if you have that, they are cut, so you'd need to rename them later
[08:45:16] <sasan>	 <Erkan_Yilmaz> : you mean that software is for getting backup or restoring?
[08:45:36] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 wikiteam's software makes a backup into xml
[08:45:42] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 and you can import that xml into the new wiki
[08:46:01] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 beware: I didn't try yet all steps myself
[08:46:39] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 if you encounter problems: you can do point1 above: export the sql dump and import to new wiki, though I guess some stuff like domain name and so could be tricky
[08:46:50] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 don't know that, since I didn't do that either
[09:11:07] <sasan>	 <Erkan_Yilmaz>: i use that link 
[09:11:19] <sasan>	 to downalod teamwiki software
[09:11:32] <sasan>	 but my wiki is not api or index version
[09:11:34] <sasan>	 why?
[09:12:17] <andre__>	 sasan, what is "teamwiki software"?
[09:12:39] <andre__>	 ah. /me reads backlog
[09:12:58] <andre__>	 isn't that more a question for a "teamwiki" support channel then?
[09:13:02] <sasan>	 wikiteam for back up and restore my wiki i another
[09:13:21] <svetlana>	 sasan: "wiki" is a broad term.
[09:13:22] <sasan>	 in my website*
[09:13:51] <svetlana>	 sasan: it can be mediawiki, it can be teamwiki, it can be ikwiki, it can be one of hundreds of others. this channel is about mediawiki.
[09:13:55] <sasan>	 i want to upload my wiki, which is run on a server , a pc, to my website
[09:14:09] <sasan>	 yes i know
[09:14:16] <andre__>	 and what blocks you from doing that?
[09:14:18] <sasan>	 but please pay attention to my question
[09:14:25] <svetlana>	 sasan: what wiki are you running? I just joined.
[09:14:29] <andre__>	 what is your question? (sorry, I joined this channel too late.)
[09:14:31] <sasan>	 mediawiki
[09:14:41] <andre__>	 which version?
[09:15:13] <sasan>	 1.23.1
[09:15:18] <svetlana>	 what are you downloading then? you said you used some link to download teamwiki software, but that statement is unclear without that link.
[09:15:39] <sasan>	 https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam/wiki/Tutorial
[09:15:43] <sasan>	 please see this link
[09:15:58] <sasan>	 i downlaod wikiteam to upload my wiki to my website
[09:16:12] <andre__>	 (wikiteam was recommended earlier by a user here, to not fiddle with the DB setup, IIRC)
[09:16:20] <sasan>	 but in that link it describe the method, i should choose the API method or index
[09:16:55] <andre__>	 sasan, yes. what is your question?
[09:17:04] <andre__>	 that link says "There are two ways to start a backup - API (api.php) or index.php"
[09:17:34] <sasan>	 i just want to upload my wiki which is run on server, a pc
[09:17:39] <sasan>	 to my website
[09:17:47] <sasan>	 this is my question
[09:17:51] <andre__>	 that is not a question.
[09:17:55] <andre__>	 it is a statement.
[09:18:01] <andre__>	 you pointed to https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam/wiki/Tutorial
[09:18:09] <andre__>	 and you wanted to follow those steps.
[09:18:16] <andre__>	 I have no idea why you don't follow those steps.
[09:18:23] <sasan>	 yes, to back up my wiki and restore
[09:18:26] <andre__>	 so do it.
[09:18:33] * andre__ has no idea what blocks you
[09:20:26] <sasan>	 why andre did not answer me
[09:20:27] <Nemo_bis>	 sob http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Version
[09:20:34] <sasan>	 my question is explicit
[09:20:54] <andre__>	 sasan, I have not seen any question mark so far...
[09:21:06] <andre__>	 I can only repeat that you were given instructions already.
[09:21:24] <Nemo_bis>	 I think the question is 11.16 < sasan> but in that link it describe the method, i should choose the API method or index
[09:21:37] <andre__>	 yeah, and that's covered on that page already.
[09:21:48] <andre__>	 the sentences after that provide criteria to make a decision.
[09:21:55] <Nemo_bis>	 sasan: we improved the script lately, just run it and it should magically choose for you
[09:22:10] <andre__>	 anyway, /me got to run. Good luck :)
[09:33:30] <sasan>	 <Nemo_bis>: there is no application file
[09:33:51] <sasan>	 just some files, which they can not  run
[09:35:16] <Nemo_bis>	 sob
[09:35:22] <sasan>	 what?
[09:36:07] <sasan>	 <Nemo_bis> : could you please remote to my pc, by use of teamviewer to check it?
[09:36:24] <Nemo_bis>	 no
[09:36:43] <sasan>	 why?
[09:36:46] <sasan>	 i have followed this from some time a go
[09:37:16] <Nemo_bis>	 No, period. Stop asking me or I'll /ignore you
[09:37:39] <sasan>	 ok, just help me through IRC
[09:37:43] <sasan>	 do not ignore me
[09:37:53] <sasan>	 describe me step
[10:21:28] <aharoni>	 prtksxna: yo
[10:22:04] <aharoni>	 prtksxna: can you please take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68812 ?
[10:24:07] <aharoni>	 it may be just a matter of fixing the qqq
[10:30:59] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: looking
[10:31:05] <aharoni>	 thanks
[10:31:36] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: vbamba wrote the copy, I'll ask her to fix this.
[10:31:42] <aharoni>	 OK
[10:31:49] <aharoni>	 Thank you.
[10:32:26] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: Actually, I'll ask her to leave a comment and then I'll submit a patch
[10:32:33] <aharoni>	 thanks
[10:32:56] <aharoni>	 prtksxna: if it's just about fixing qqq, you can do it right in translatewiki.net , and you won't have to submit a Gerrit patch.
[10:33:36] <aharoni>	 https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Popups-settings-option-monitor-or-edit/qqq
[10:33:39] <aharoni>	 https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Popups-settings-option-monitor-or-edit-description/qqq
[10:33:40] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: Oh!
[10:33:54] <aharoni>	 I would edit it myself, but I don't know what does "monitor" mean here.
[10:34:45] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: I think its being used in its verb form, "observe and check the progress or quality of (something) over a period of time; keep under systematic review."
[10:34:58] <aharoni>	 yes, but what's the technical implementation?
[10:35:06] <aharoni>	 does it mean "add to watchlist"?
[10:35:09] <aharoni>	 or something else?
[10:35:25] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: If you pick that option you get NavigationPopups instead of Hovercards.
[10:35:40] <aharoni>	 hmm.
[10:35:49] <aharoni>	 that's completely non-intuitive.
[10:36:10] <aharoni>	 NavigationPopups is a gadget that is only available in some wikis, isn't it?
[10:36:12] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: There are some other issues that siebrand pointed out too - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/140086/16/i18n/en.json - Is there never any capitalization in these files?
[10:36:23] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: Yes, the option will only come up if its available
[10:36:59] <aharoni>	 OK, then it should be explained in detail in qqq.
[10:37:14] <aharoni>	 about Siebrand's comments:
[10:37:16] <aharoni>	 "Article Preview" should indeed be "Article preview".
[10:37:37] <aharoni>	 In MediaWiki we don't use title case for messages. (Microsoft actually uses it in some products, but not MediaWiki.)
[10:37:51] <aharoni>	 And Page is usually preferred to Article.
[10:38:02] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: Right the Page/Article stuff I understand.
[10:38:17] <prtksxna>	 aharoni: I wasn't aware of the no title case convention
[11:42:52] <karami>	 hi
[11:43:02] <karami>	 i run my wiki on my server, a pc, 
[11:43:15] <karami>	 how can i transfer my wiki to my website?
[11:48:57] <Krenair>	 karami, install MediaWiki (and relevant extensions) on the server and import your database
[11:49:56] <karami>	 <Krenair> i have installed mediawiki
[11:50:04] <karami>	 now how could i import??
[11:51:05] <karami>	 could you help me, it is very difficult for me
[11:52:22] <Krenair>	 karami, you need to export from your local DB and import the file on your website server
[11:52:41] <karami>	 how could i export database?
[12:07:16] <karami>	 how could i export database?
[12:08:03] <Krenair>	 check the manual of your database system
[12:08:08] <karami>	 <Krenair>: could you please hel 
[12:09:26] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Krenair karami seems to be another user who was just here asking the same question and getting replies by a few people
[12:09:59] <karami>	 i have not get reply in here
[12:16:50] <karami>	 i use this command to export database
[12:16:51] <karami>	 php dumpBackup.php --full > dump.xml
[12:17:03] <karami>	 in which folder my database was saved??
[12:17:10] <karami>	 how can i restore?
[12:24:31] <TimStarling>	 karami: the file was saved into the current directory at the time you ran the command
[12:24:54] <karami>	 current directory?? where is the current
[12:25:02] <karami>	 i just run the comand in cmd
[12:25:44] <TimStarling>	 it is the directory that shows at the start of the line before you type the command
[12:26:33] <TimStarling>	 you can restore with importDump.php, but note that the dump produced by dumpBackup.php is not a complete backup, you should generally not restore from it
[12:27:31] <TimStarling>	 dumpBackup.php produces a dump suitable for the public, it doesn't include user accounts
[12:28:17] <karami>	 but i need complete backup
[12:28:22] <karami>	 what should i do??
[12:28:53] <TimStarling>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[12:29:48] <karami>	 and for restoring
[12:29:53] <karami>	 do you have other link
[12:31:46] <jakey2>	 how do i remove the chess above the pic on the right hand side?
[12:32:00] <jakey2>	 http://www.chess.opensophia.org/index.php?title=Chess
[12:32:38] <TimStarling>	 karami:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restoring_a_wiki_from_backup
[12:32:57] <karami>	 thanks
[12:38:58] <beli_>	 hi there. how do i change the font-family for printing? i am on mw1.23.x and i always get serif fonts, but i want sans-serif. i grep'ed already in the skins directory for font-family, but every entry looks fine for me
[12:44:20] <bawolff>	 Change it in the page on your wiki named mediawiki:common.css
[12:45:18] <bawolff>	 @media print { * {font-family:sans-serif} }
[12:45:26] <bawolff>	 or something like that
[12:46:16] <bawolff>	 Theres probably a more proper rule than that, but i think it will work
[12:46:33] <bawolff>	 there is also mediawiki:printable.css i think
[12:49:36] <physikerwelt>	 I updated mw to the most recent version via git... now I get a strange error message that No MWMuliVersion instance has beenb initilized
[12:49:47] <physikerwelt>	 anyone with the same problem 
[12:50:31] <physikerwelt>	 I'm running srv/vagrant/mediawiki/maintenance$ ./update.php --conf ../LocalSettings.php
[12:50:31] <physikerwelt>	 No MWMultiVersion instance initialized! MWScript.php wrapper not used?
[12:53:29] <bawolff>	 Hmm. Does vagrant try to use wmfs wikifarm stuff?
[12:53:47] <Nemo_bis>	 some roles install multiwiki role
[12:54:41] <physikerwelt>	 Ah I tried to enable semantic mediawiki do you think that could be relatated?
[12:55:40] <beli>	 bawolff: thanks for hints. i thought i have to adjust the style files under the skins directory. i found Mediawiki:screen.css and Mediawiki:print.css ...and added the font-family in print.css, but still no change. it always takes serif fonts
[12:56:40] <physikerwelt>	 smw uses composer for the installation... so I have no clue was was happening there
[12:56:41] <physikerwelt>	 https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Installation
[12:57:04] <bawolff>	 Beli: you shouldnt touch files in skins directory
[12:57:20] <bawolff>	 just edit mediawiki namespace pages on wiki
[12:58:15] <beli>	 bawolff: ok i got that now...is there a styling guide for the new styling system?
[12:59:54] <bawolff>	 Styling system hasnt changed in a very long time (in terms of the existence of mediawiki:common.css)
[13:01:30] <beli>	 uh i find .less stuff under skins now. i switched from mw1.18  to 1.23 ;)
[13:02:00] <beli>	 bawolff: but hey! it's working now. i just needed to drop the @media print praefix....it isn't needed inside the print.css anymore
[13:02:31] <bawolff>	 Yep. Itd only be needed in common.css
[13:02:46] <bawolff>	 and i probably screwed up the syntax anyhow
[13:03:14] <beli>	 no you were right. thanks for your help. everythings fine
[13:05:52] <greenSky>	 hi, i'm having trouble updating my mediawiki installation, i was wondering if anyone could help? i've updated the files, and am now trying to update the database through the web updater, but i am getting the following errors during the update - http://pastebin.com/358ZWinL
[13:06:54] <bawolff>	 Problem with one of your exts
[13:08:08] <bawolff>	 Try disabling them all (or one by one)
[13:08:27] <greenSky>	 i'll give that ago, thank you
[13:23:19] <Razoli>	 how to use geeQuBox ?
[13:23:22] <physikerwelt>	 Nemo_bis: do you know if I can run the update.php with php from the commadline or do I have to change to hhvm?
[13:23:37] <physikerwelt>	 I read that phpsh was replaced by hhvmsh
[13:23:42] <Razoli>	 I need source GeeQuBox!
[13:23:55] <Razoli>	 anyone?
[13:25:03] <Razoli>	 how to use extension GeeQuBox? Anyone have source code please?
[13:25:15] <physikerwelt>	 Razoli: I have never heard of this extension
[13:25:58] <Razoli>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeeQuBox
[13:26:58] <Razoli>	 is an updated version of SlimboxThumbs
[13:27:55] <Razoli>	 physikerwelt
[13:27:58] <Razoli>	 is an updated version of SlimboxThumbs
[13:28:40] <physikerwelt>	 did you try to checkout from the svn?
[13:28:52] <physikerwelt>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/GeeQuBox/
[13:29:24] <Razoli>	 yes
[13:30:21] <physikerwelt>	 and do you have the source code now, or did an error occour
[13:31:39] <physikerwelt>	 by the way I used php to run the update script and not mwscript
[13:32:11] <Razoli>	 Just installed the extension, but do not know which source code using
[13:33:05] <physikerwelt>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual%3AUpdate.php&diff=1102966&oldid=939328 that's a significant change
[13:37:39] <Isaac_Porter>	 Hello marktraceur are you there
[13:40:30] <karami>	 i use this command 
[13:40:30] <karami>	 mysqldump -h hostname -u userid --password --default-character-set=whatever dbname > backup.sql
[13:40:35] <karami>	 to backup my wiki
[13:40:46] <karami>	 now backup.sql is saved in where?
[13:49:24] <Rosencrantz>	 whereever you ran that command from
[13:50:58] <karami>	 i run this command in run in my server windows
[13:51:50] <karami>	 <Rosencrantz> : i run this command in run in my server windows
[13:51:55] <Rosencrantz>	 Well probably your home directory then.
[13:52:07] <Rosencrantz>	 Usually /home/<username>
[13:52:17] <karami>	 what?
[13:52:21] <physikerwelt>	 is there somwhere a documentation regarding mwscript ... update.php conatins the header #!/usr/bin/env php that needs to be updated to mwscript
[13:52:29] <Rosencrantz>	 Like I said, it depends on what directory you were in at the time of running the command. 
[13:52:45] <karami>	 desktop
[13:52:54] <Rosencrantz>	 Alternatively you can do mysqldump ……. > /path/to/whereever/you/want/it/backup.sql
[13:54:11] <karami>	  <Rosencrantz> : how could i set a path for my sql
[13:54:12] <karami>	 ?
[13:54:53] <Rosencrantz>	 Ok, better question. What OS are you running that command from?
[13:55:08] <karami>	 windows 7, 32bit
[13:55:45] <Rosencrantz>	 Hmm.. I'm not horribly familiar with running MW from Windows. 
[13:55:57] <Rosencrantz>	 But the same logic should apply. 
[13:56:15] <Rosencrantz>	 Unless you ran it from Start->Run or something. I don't recall what that defaults to
[13:56:25] <karami>	 could you tell the logic which i should apply?
[13:57:07] <Rosencrantz>	 What I meant by that was the logic that wherever directory/folder you ran the mysqldump command from is where the backup.sql file will be. It's just a matter of figuring out where that was.
[13:59:25] <karami>	 <Rosencrantz> i use start to call run and then use that command
[13:59:39] <karami>	 but i think you do not talk about windows
[13:59:41] <karami>	 yes
[13:59:42] <karami>	 ?
[14:00:46] <valhallasw`cloud>	 If you run it from start>run directly, things typically run in %USERPROFILE% (c:\users\<username> or c:\documents and settings\<username>)
[14:01:17] <valhallasw`cloud>	 (I sort-of fell in half-way in your conversation, so I missed the initial question)
[14:02:14] <karami>	 i just want to back up my wiki
[14:02:21] <karami>	 i use that command in run
[14:02:49] <karami>	 mysqldump -h hostname -u userid --password --default-character-set=whatever dbname > backup.sql
[14:04:55] <karami>	 <valhallasw`cloud>: i found it, but it is 10Kb
[14:04:59] <karami>	 so starnge
[14:05:26] <valhallasw`cloud>	 check the contents?
[14:05:53] <karami>	 but my wiki has more than 20pages
[14:06:04] <karami>	 i think it is not correct backup
[14:06:06] <karami>	 am i right?
[14:06:23] <valhallasw`cloud>	 I repeat: check the contents of the file :-p
[14:06:30] <valhallasw`cloud>	 you can open it in a text edito
[14:06:31] <valhallasw`cloud>	 r
[14:06:40] <karami>	 yes, amin
[14:07:19] <karami>	 i opned it
[14:07:27] <karami>	 now what should i do?
[14:07:41] <valhallasw`cloud>	 check if the pages/revisions/users you expect are in there
[14:08:35] <karami>	 no user and pages
[14:08:41] <karami>	 i set user admin
[14:08:43] <valhallasw`cloud>	 if it's 10kb it clearly did /something/
[14:08:54] <karami>	 but nothig
[14:08:58] <valhallasw`cloud>	 did you use the correct database name?
[14:09:00] <karami>	 can i send you the fie?
[14:09:14] <karami>	 yes, i found it in my localsetting.php
[14:10:13] <karami>	 please see
[14:10:14] <karami>	  $wgDBname = "pars_wiki"
[14:10:25] <karami>	 this is in my localseting.php
[14:11:25] <karami>	 and i use command in cmd as 
[14:11:57] <valhallasw`cloud>	 Hm. Maybe the file just contains the table definitions and no contents?
[14:12:16] <karami>	 mysql -h pars_wiki -u sasan -password 123 pars_wiki -> backup.sql
[14:12:25] <karami>	 is my command in cmd is ok?
[14:12:38] <karami>	 yes, i think so
[14:12:41] <valhallasw`cloud>	 No. Should be --password
[14:12:49] <karami>	 yes it is --
[14:13:06] <valhallasw`cloud>	 and -> should be >
[14:13:19] <karami>	 yes, i typed false in here
[14:13:24] <karami>	 but i use > 
[14:13:32] <karami>	 the command is ok
[14:13:32] <valhallasw`cloud>	 err, and you used mysqldump, right, not mysql?
[14:13:38] <karami>	 just i use this commadn in cmd
[14:14:02] <karami>	 you mean i use mysqldump??
[14:14:28] <valhallasw`cloud>	 16:12 <karami> mysql -h pars_wiki -u sasan -password 123 pars_wiki -> backup.sql <----- you say 'mysql' here
[14:14:53] <karami>	 yes, you tell me i should use 
[14:14:57] <karami>	 mysqldump?
[14:15:09] <valhallasw`cloud>	 if you want to dump your tables, you should use mysqldump, yes.
[14:15:28] <karami>	 i tried it
[14:15:39] <karami>	 but show me error 2005
[14:15:59] <karami>	 unknown mysql server host pasr_wiki
[14:16:12] <karami>	 in that command i should use host
[14:16:15] <valhallasw`cloud>	 so the hostname you pass with -h is wrong
[14:16:21] <karami>	 i run it in my pc, 
[14:16:31] <karami>	 how could i found out the host name
[14:16:31] <karami>	 ?
[14:16:43] <valhallasw`cloud>	 you're running mysql locally?
[14:16:49] <karami>	 yes
[14:16:52] <valhallasw`cloud>	 then just leave out the -h completely
[14:17:06] <karami>	 on the same pc as wiki run
[14:17:21] <valhallasw`cloud>	 on the same pc you want to run mysqldump on?
[14:17:37] <karami>	 yes
[14:18:10] <valhallasw`cloud>	 right. just don't specify the host then
[14:18:24] <karami>	 you mean i use -h only
[14:18:32] <valhallasw`cloud>	 no
[14:18:32] <karami>	 mysqldum -h -u...
[14:18:35] <karami>	 yes?
[14:18:40] <valhallasw`cloud>	 don't use the -h flag
[14:19:24] <karami>	 access denied
[14:19:29] <karami>	 error
[14:19:54] <karami>	 i find out the eror
[14:20:01] <karami>	 1045
[14:20:20] <karami>	 access denied for user sasan@localhost
[14:20:30] <valhallasw`cloud>	 make sure you're passing the correct username and password then
[14:20:47] <karami>	 i find this user name and pass in localsetting.php
[14:21:26] <karami>	  $wgDBuser = "sasan"; $wgDBpassword = "123"
[14:21:36] <karami>	 this is the command in my local setting.php
[14:22:31] <Yaron>	 Nikerabbit: if I remove some messages from i18n/en.json in an extension, would it help to also remove those messages from the other i18n files, or will that be done automatically?
[14:22:51] <karami>	 <valhallasw`cloud>: could you help??
[14:23:10] <valhallasw`cloud>	 karami: no, not really. I can't tell you what your username and password are :-p
[14:23:29] <karami>	 just help me how can i found out the user and pass word?
[14:23:30] <karami>	 in where?
[14:23:43] <valhallasw`cloud>	 also check if you're passing the password correctly -- mysqldump might have some weird parameter
[14:25:00] <karami>	  <valhallasw`cloud>  is there any way to find out the user name and password of mysql?
[14:27:01] <marktraceur>	 Isaac_Porter: Hi, I'm here
[14:27:14] <marktraceur>	 What's up?
[14:30:22] <karami>	 <valhallasw`cloud>  i am phpmyadmin 
[14:30:27] <karami>	 in pars_wiki database
[14:30:36] <valhallasw`cloud>	 then use phpmyadmin's export feature...
[14:30:44] <karami>	 how could i find out the user anme and password
[14:31:17] <Isaac_Porter>	 marktraceur you help me for a long time and know i need your help^^
[14:31:40] <Isaac_Porter>	 marktraceur here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#Could_not_save_a_file_.28Pingus.jpeg.29_under_mwstore:.2F.2Flocal-backend.2Flocal-public.2F7.2F7a.2FPingus.jpeg_46637
[14:32:05] <valhallasw`cloud>	 karami: you said you were already in phpmyadmin...
[14:32:20] <karami>	 yes, i am in here
[14:32:22] <karami>	 but in which option i should find out
[14:32:23] <karami>	 ?
[14:32:46] <marktraceur>	 Isaac_Porter: So, in the future, please ask your question instead of looking for me in particular :) I bet valhallasw`cloud at least could have mused about the issue
[14:32:49] <karami>	 there is no phpmyadmin's export feature
[14:33:03] <karami>	 it has so many option
[14:33:09] <karami>	 archiev
[14:33:12] <karami>	 category
[14:33:20] <karami>	 change_tag
[14:33:22] <karami>	 ...
[14:33:30] <marktraceur>	 !permissions | Isaac_Porter
[14:33:30] <wm-bot>	 Isaac_Porter: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:33:35] <marktraceur>	 Hm, no
[14:33:43] <marktraceur>	 !filepermissions | Isaac_Porter
[14:33:43] <wm-bot>	 Isaac_Porter: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Check_directory_security
[14:33:46] <marktraceur>	 There you go
[14:34:22] <marktraceur>	 !permissions del
[14:34:22] <wm-bot>	 Unable to find the specified key in db
[14:34:36] <Isaac_Porter>	 okay marktraceur but its on a webhosting
[14:34:39] <valhallasw`cloud>	 karami: I don't know -- I haven't used phpmyadmin for years. Check it's documentation -- I'm fairly certain it supports im- and export of an entire database
[14:34:43] <greenSky>	 hi, i've just updated to 1.23.2, and am wondering how i renable the Vector features such as collapsable bits in the sidebar?
[14:34:51] <marktraceur>	 Isaac_Porter: Then use the web host's interface to modify the permissions
[14:35:02] <marktraceur>	 !vector | greenSky
[14:35:02] <wm-bot>	 greenSky: Vector is the new skin designed as part of the Wikimedia Usability Project <http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>. It was introduced in MediaWiki 1.16, and made default since MediaWiki 1.17. To set it as default in 1.17, set $wgDefaultSkin = 'vector'; in LocalSettings.php. Say !skin or !localsettings for more details.
[14:35:07] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[14:35:11] <marktraceur>	 !s Vector
[14:35:11] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[14:35:16] <marktraceur>	 !e Vector
[14:35:16] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Vector
[14:35:27] <marktraceur>	 greenSky: One of those links should work for you
[14:35:37] <valhallasw`cloud>	 Isaac_Porter: you'll probably have a cpanel interface, right? there's typically a file browser in there.
[14:35:49] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_mobile: If you could set !vector to include something about how to re-enable the old features I'd be your best friend
[14:36:09] <Isaac_Porter>	 valhallasw`cloud maybe i dont the owner of tghis
[14:37:34] <Isaac_Porter>	 Okay i look what i can do, i am now afk
[14:39:43] <greenSky>	 thanks, marktraceur 
[14:45:07] <karami>	 i am in phpadmin in xampp in the database i have created for my wiki, but i can not findout the user name adn password, i set before for this database
[14:45:15] <karami>	 can anybody help me?
[14:52:34] <marktraceur>	 Isaac_Porter: FWIW you can use the IRC command /away to mark yourself as away :)
[14:56:49] <wmat>	 how do unmaintained extensions get migrated to Git?
[14:57:19] <karami>	 in this command:  mysqldump  -u sasan -password 123 pars_wiki -> backup.sql 
[14:57:28] <karami>	 the user is my database user and pass?
[14:58:02] <marktraceur>	 karami: Yeah.
[14:58:13] <karami>	 i use that user and pass
[14:58:17] <karami>	 but show error for me
[14:58:29] <karami>	 i find out user and pass from local setting
[14:58:50] <karami>	  $wgDBuser = "sasan"; $wgDBpassword = "123";
[14:58:59] <karami>	 this is user and pass of my database 
[14:59:01] <karami>	 pars_wiki
[14:59:20] <karami>	 but it show eror
[14:59:22] <karami>	 why?
[15:00:20] <karami>	 <marktraceur>: could help me?
[15:01:01] <marktraceur>	 karami: You should really not be posting your DB user/password in this channel
[15:01:15] <marktraceur>	 Anyway.
[15:01:18] <karami>	 no pronblem, i realy confused
[15:01:40] <marktraceur>	 karami: Can you try using "mysql -u <username> -p pars_wiki" to connect to the database?
[15:01:52] <marktraceur>	 I doubt it will do anything different, but whatever
[15:02:44] <karami>	 yes
[15:02:48] <karami>	 i can connect 
[15:03:22] <karami>	 <marktraceur>: yes, i can connect
[15:04:38] <karami>	 <marktraceur>: why no answer me?
[15:05:17] <karami>	 but when i use mysqldump it show error 
[15:05:27] <karami>	 access denied for user sasan
[15:07:32] <karami>	 why no body answer my question
[15:07:37] <karami>	 realy i confused
[15:07:38] <karami>	 :(
[15:07:50] <valhallasw`cloud>	 karami: because we have no clue why it's not working either.
[15:08:21] <karami>	 but i need to generate back up
[15:08:28] <karami>	 why access is denied
[15:08:32] <karami>	 :(
[15:08:33] <valhallasw`cloud>	 I have said this before -- not sure if you tried -- but mysqladmin might take slightly different parameters frm mysql
[15:08:34] <Vulpix>	 this is #mediawiki not #mysql :P
[15:08:40] <valhallasw`cloud>	 so check mysqladmin's documentation
[15:08:56] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sorry, mysqldump, not mysqladmin
[15:09:11] <marktraceur>	 karami: Patience is a virtue :)
[15:09:14] <valhallasw`cloud>	 OR use phpmyadmin, as the password clearly works. I don't know how to dump there, but the documentation would know.
[15:09:52] <marktraceur>	 I think karami is using the command *from* our backup docs
[15:10:00] <karami>	 yes
[15:10:12] <karami>	 i use the docs from your docs
[15:10:22] <karami>	 sorry commands
[15:11:34] <marktraceur>	 karami: Can you run mysqldump --version and tell us what comes out?
[15:12:04] <karami>	 you mean i just set commands mysqldump --version
[15:12:05] <karami>	 ?
[15:12:07] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[15:12:08] <Vulpix>	 karami: what's the command you're using? I've seen "mysqldump  -u sasan -password 123 pars_wiki -> backup.sql" in scrollback but that doesn't seem to be right
[15:12:20] <karami>	 why?
[15:12:26] <karami>	 i use this in your docs
[15:12:57] <marktraceur>	 No, it's -user sasan -p123
[15:13:03] <marktraceur>	 You're right Vulpix
[15:13:04] <Vulpix>	 you should either use "-p<password>" (no space) or "--password=<password>"
[15:13:18] <Rosencrantz>	 Hey, if I need to shutdown mediawiki for a drive migration, is there anything that special that needs to be done (aside from stopping apache and then mysql?)
[15:13:26] <karami>	 you mean i should enter -p 123
[15:13:28] <karami>	 yes?
[15:13:36] <marktraceur>	 Rosencrantz: Read-only mode, unless the site is just straight up going down
[15:13:48] <Rosencrantz>	 straight up going down for the maintenance
[15:14:02] <marktraceur>	 Rosencrantz: Are you doing a backup while the site is down?
[15:14:05] <Vulpix>	 karami: no
[15:14:08] <Vulpix>	 -p123
[15:14:15] <Rosencrantz>	 No, but that's not a bad idea just to be safe.
[15:14:18] <Vulpix>	 without space between -p and the password
[15:14:33] <Rosencrantz>	 Moving stuff over to a different raid array
[15:14:34] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[15:14:48] <marktraceur>	 Rosencrantz: Probably you won't need anything special, though, if it's scheduled downtime
[15:15:01] <Rosencrantz>	 Yeah, only thing I can think of is making sure the job queue is empty
[15:15:02] <marktraceur>	 I don't think you even technically need to stop the services; they'll get stopped on shutdown
[15:15:06] <karami>	 i use -u sasan -p123 pars_wiki...
[15:15:10] <karami>	 but same result
[15:15:14] <marktraceur>	 Rosencrantz: Ooh, that's a good point
[15:15:24] <marktraceur>	 Though the jobs should be there when the service comes back up :)
[15:15:29] <karami>	 <Vulpix> same result
[15:15:30] <marktraceur>	 "should"
[15:15:31] <Rosencrantz>	 Oh really?
[15:15:53] <Rosencrantz>	 Server isn't going down though. RAID array is already in, just need to shuffle stuff over to it
[15:15:54] <Vulpix>	 karami: then I have no idea, time to ask in #mysql maybe?
[15:16:16] <karami>	 you are asking?
[15:16:24] <Rosencrantz>	 Hmm.. can jobs be run if apache isn't running?
[15:16:35] <Rosencrantz>	 or do I have to readonly, clear job queue, then shut down services?
[15:16:49] <Vulpix>	 Rosencrantz: yes, maintenance/runJobs.php
[15:17:41] <Vulpix>	 you don't need to clear the job queue when moving server if you don't change setup. It shouldn't break anything
[15:19:02] <Vulpix>	 something could break if you upgrade or remove some extension, though, if an existing job class gets removed/renamed/repurposed, though, although I think it should just error once
[15:19:19] <karami>	 <vulpix> no idea?
[15:19:34] <Vulpix>	 karami: [17:15:54]	<Vulpix>	karami: then I have no idea, time to ask in #mysql maybe?
[15:19:40] <Quasar`>	 I have a weird problem on my wiki with icons. You've probably heard this before.
[15:19:53] <Quasar`>	 trying to upload a new version of an existing file, and I get "File extension ".ico" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/vnd.microsoft.icon)."
[15:20:02] <Rosencrantz>	 Yeah, not doing any extension upgrades at the time, just moving the code, mysql stuff and image data off to a different raid array.
[15:20:15] <Quasar`>	 So I guess the extension for microsoft.icon is not .ico ? 
[15:20:20] <Quasar`>	 news to me.
[15:21:14] <karami>	 i can not connect to #mysql
[15:21:16] <karami>	 why?
[15:21:29] <Vulpix>	 Quasar`: I though icon files were image/x-icon or something like this
[15:21:41] <Quasar`>	 that's a non-standard MIME type
[15:22:05] <karami>	 <Vulpix> you are joined to mysql
[15:22:07] <karami>	 yes?
[15:22:16] <karami>	 i am joining but can not send pm
[15:22:27] <Vulpix>	 karami: then you can connect to #mysql :)
[15:22:34] <karami>	 no
[15:22:35] <karami>	 no
[15:22:38] <karami>	 please wait
[15:22:46] <karami>	 i can not send message there
[15:22:51] <karami>	 please you asked them
[15:23:11] <karami>	 it show me always: can not send to channel #mysql
[15:23:23] <karami>	 <Vulpix>: you are good riend
[15:23:27] <karami>	 please ask
[15:24:55] <karami>	 <Vulpix>: what happened?/
[15:25:20] <Quasar`>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICO_%28file_format%29#MIME_type
[15:26:02] <Quasar`>	 so are we going by IANA or Microsoft web standards
[15:26:22] <Vulpix>	 It's hilarious that Microsoft uses the non-microsoft one
[15:27:19] <karami>	 <Vulpix>: please please
[15:27:25] <Quasar`>	 no they use a non-standard one that isn't IANA reg'd
[15:27:26] <karami>	 i realy confused
[15:27:30] <karami>	 please asnwer me
[15:28:03] <Quasar`>	 is there some way to override the MIME type determination to make this work, other than having to ask my sysadmin to change his entire server?
[15:28:19] <Vulpix>	 Quasar`: in includes/mime.types there's "image/x-icon ico"
[15:28:31] <Vulpix>	 maybe you can add the other type there and see if that works
[15:28:43] <Vulpix>	 I don't know why we don't have both, though
[15:28:45] <Quasar`>	 I can, but that's going to disappear every time we upgrade
[15:29:04] <Vulpix>	 you can file a bug about that ;)
[15:29:28] <karami>	  <Vulpix> ???
[15:29:52] <Vulpix>	 karami: I'm not able to help you, sorry. Also, be patient
[15:30:09] <karami>	 if i be patient, what would happenee?
[15:31:23] <Vulpix>	 karami: people might be less worried to talk to you and be stalked like every minute
[15:31:32] <Quasar`>	 well unfortunately I am in Chicago and do  not have my bugzilla login credentials available.
[15:32:00] <karami>	 but i have problem, and it is better to help me
[15:32:02] <karami>	 am i right?
[15:32:29] <Quasar`>	 oh I can try to reset the pw
[15:33:06] <mcquiggi>	 I'm having trouble with the Collection extension under FreeBSD 10.  Version conflict problems with mwlib and associated utilities.  Any suggestions?
[15:37:35] <valhallasw`cloud>	 Kaare: no, you're not. Keep in mind the people in here are volunteers, who are helping you in their free time.
[15:37:41] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sorry, karami
[15:37:46] <valhallasw`cloud>	 ..oh, they're gone already
[15:42:12] <Quasar`>	 I filed a report
[15:42:15] <Quasar`>	 will be back later
[15:54:00] <Nikerabbit>	 Yaron: remove en only
[15:55:29] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation#Removing_existing_messages
[15:57:06] <Yaron>	 Nikerabbit: okay, thanks.
[15:57:55] <Yaron>	 ...and Nemo_bis, thanks also.
[16:26:10] <onei>	 I'm trying to setup vagrant and I get this error:
[16:26:20] <onei>	 The executable 'bsdtar' Vagrant is trying to run was not
[16:26:20] <onei>	 found in the %PATH% variable. This is an error. Please verify
[16:26:20] <onei>	 this software is installed and on the path.
[16:26:45] <onei>	 anyone have any ideas?
[16:28:46] <valhallasw`cloud>	 onei: how did you install vagrant?
[16:29:00] <valhallasw`cloud>	 the msi at http://www.vagrantup.com/downloads.html ?
[16:29:38] <valhallasw`cloud>	 also you might need to reboot to get paths right - not sure about that.
[16:29:48] <sinix>	 .msi is windows - isn't $PATH$ a linux thing?
[16:29:58] <sinix>	 err %PATH%
[16:30:00] <onei>	 that might be it, I'm on windows
[16:30:14] <onei>	 %PATH% exists on windows
[16:30:20] <Vulpix>	 $PATH is linux
[16:30:27] <valhallasw`cloud>	 the concept of an executable search path is both on windows and linux
[16:30:33] <sinix>	 gotcha
[16:30:36] <valhallasw`cloud>	 but cmd.exe uses %NAME%, while *sh uses $NAME
[16:31:02] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sinix: also just opening a new cmd.exe window might help
[16:31:20] <valhallasw`cloud>	 but I never quite know when paths are set under windows...
[16:31:22] <sinix>	 its onei not me :)  
[16:32:09] <Vulpix>	 yes, opening a new cmd after setting any environment variable gets the new value
[16:32:51] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sinix: doh! sorry :-)
[17:16:07] <sasan>	 hi
[17:16:19] <sasan>	 <vulpix> are you online?
[17:16:30] <Vulpix>	 no, I'm not
[17:17:03] <sasan>	 i asked a lot about how could i backup my wiki
[17:17:06] <sasan>	 and i searched alot about it in your docs
[17:18:54] <sasan>	 show me access denied by user sasan@localhost
[17:18:55] <sasan>	 i tried this a lot but it is not working
[17:18:55] <sasan>	 mmysqldump -u sasan -p123 pars_wiki >backup.sql
[17:19:24] <sasan>	 i find out, that i should add some thing like
[17:20:09] <sasan>	 could anybody help me?
[17:21:23] <sasan>	 i tried to ask my question in #mysql
[17:21:36] <sasan>	 <vogone> could you help me?
[17:28:25] <sasan>	 hi, 
[17:29:45] <sasan>	 i tried to backup my wiki which is run on xampp, i used the commadn mysqldump -u sasan -p123 pars_wiki > backup.sql, but it show error access was denied for user sasan@localhost
[17:29:53] <sasan>	 could any body help?
[17:30:08] <sumanah>	 Hello fhocutt 
[17:30:16] <fhocutt>	 hello sumanah
[17:30:25] * sumanah hopes someone with experience can help sasan 
[17:30:56] <sumanah>	 so fhocutt I'm sorry for the lateness
[17:31:12] <fhocutt>	 is ok; I'm just about to send you a quick email
[17:31:14] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I hope your morning has been interesting
[17:31:18] * sumanah listens!
[17:31:22] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sasan: as I mentioned before, either your username or password is wrong, or you're passing it in the wrong way. Mysql is now known to be clear in it's error messages, so I'm also not sure which one of those it is. You seemed to be able to log in to phpmyadmin earlier, so I would suggest using that to make a backup.
[17:31:41] <fhocutt>	 email is sent!
[17:32:32] <sasan>	 how could i use phpadmin to backup my wiki?
[17:32:34] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sumanah: have you seen https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charting_Diversity.pdf ? wmde has been handing them out at wikimania :-)
[17:32:36] <sumanah>	 sweet fhocutt! would you mind re-sending to the other mentors in case, for bus factor?
[17:32:40] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sasan: by using it's 'export' feature.
[17:32:47] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud:  I have not! Looking next. :)
[17:32:52] <fhocutt>	 ah, yes.
[17:32:55] <sasan>	 i never seen it, 
[17:33:03] <sasan>	 could you help me, 
[17:33:08] <sasan>	 by using team viewer
[17:33:14] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sasan: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smb-technologist/import-and-export-databases-using-phpmyadmin/ 
[17:33:19] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sasan: no
[17:34:01] <sasan>	 thanks
[17:34:56] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: Am looking. Yay for more details!
[17:35:17] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sumanah: also the london transport museum was awesome :D
[17:35:22] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud: YAYYYYY
[17:35:43] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: I like it!
[17:35:52] <sumanah>	 I like that there will be an ASCII diagram or something like that
[17:36:10] <fhocutt>	 I think there will be. I'm not sure if it's needed, but if it is I will add it
[17:36:33] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sumanah: and apparently they were running a steam train in the underground saturday, but I missed that :-(
[17:36:57] <sumanah>	 whoa
[17:38:01] <fhocutt>	 ok, bus factor++
[17:38:04] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: so, cool! how can I help you continue your awesomeness spree?
[17:38:20] <fhocutt>	 hm, let me see. 
[17:39:00] <valhallasw`cloud>	 although I think they ran on electric power underground :-p and just on steam on the overground sections
[17:39:23] <fhocutt>	 valhallasw`cloud, anomie, Mithrandir, sumanah: occasional small "what are you working on/what are you up to" emails or IRC pings are helpful for me this week!
[17:39:32] <sumanah>	 :D
[17:39:44] <fhocutt>	 ok, so
[17:40:26] <valhallasw`cloud>	 fhocutt: sooo.... what are you up to?
[17:40:28] <valhallasw`cloud>	 ;-)
[17:40:37] <sumanah>	 ahahaha
[17:40:39] <valhallasw`cloud>	 let me guess: that's in my inbox? :-)
[17:40:58] <fhocutt>	 goal for the next hour: write and compile a small JWBF program that edits the sandbox
[17:41:03] <fhocutt>	 valhallasw`cloud, yup :)
[17:41:14] <valhallasw`cloud>	 I'll take a look after dinner :-)
[17:41:30] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: Cool! I will check in with you in about an hour.
[17:42:17] <sumanah>	 My goal for the next hour: read Charting Diversity, send an Ada Initiative fundraising planning note, reply to Greg Wilson about wallet names, start planning tomorrow's RFC meeting
[17:42:41] <fhocutt>	 that will make it easier to write more useful developerDoc, and will also make me more confident using Maven
[17:42:48] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: rock on. :)
[17:42:59] <sumanah>	 so feel free to ask me about that too!
[17:43:42] <fhocutt>	 cool. 
[17:44:54] <fhocutt>	 ok! anything else from you, sumanah?
[17:46:30] * sumanah adds Charting Diversity to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Read
[17:46:36] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: not for the next hour :)
[17:46:39] <sumanah>	 talk with you ~then
[17:57:19] <sasan>	 i used phpadmin to back up my sql
[17:57:26] <sasan>	 it is about 1.3 mb
[17:57:39] <sasan>	 but i do not find out the user which is defined in my wiki?
[17:58:57] <sasan>	 valhallasw`cloud: understand ?
[18:05:56] <tale>	 sasan: Where are You trying to find that user?
[18:07:16] <mcquiggi>	 Anyone using the "Collection" extension?  I am having trouble rendering PDFs locally.  
[18:19:01] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Hi! What trouble are you having?
[18:23:16] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: "Download as PDF" gives "Book rendering failed  There was an error while attempting to render your book. "  I will enable the debug console to get you more info.  mwlib error, basically.
[18:25:43] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: excerpt says "File "/home/pp/local/bin/mw-zip", line 37, in <module>", ..., "raise greenlet.exception RuntimeError: could not get siteinfo"
[18:31:10] <sumanah>	 OK! 3/4 done with what I said I'd do in the hour. Now 12 min left for RfC meeting setup :)
[18:33:15] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: What version of MediaWiki are you using?
[18:35:12] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Oh, are you on http://www.mwzip.com/ ?
[18:45:00] <fhocutt>	 nice, sumanah
[18:45:19] <sumanah>	 hi fhocutt how has your last hour been? is the small program up?
[18:45:26] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: Mediawiki 1.23.2
[18:45:27] <sumanah>	 I mean, up and running, not necessarily on GitHub
[18:45:50] <fhocutt>	  not yet. I am now trying to get hello-world, Java version, going
[18:45:58] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: nope, I got the mwlib stuff from FreeBSD ports.  Freebsd 10.
[18:46:01] <marktraceur>	 Ah.
[18:46:28] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: ok, if you find yourself stuck, please yell :)
[18:47:01] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: I can't use a public render server as the wiki is on a VPN behind a firewall
[18:50:41] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Can you try cURLing http://localhost/wiki/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&format=json from your server?
[18:51:49] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: sure, stand by!
[18:52:27] <Reedy>	 /wiki/api.php?
[18:52:36] <marktraceur>	 Or whatever
[18:52:55] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: ok, stepping it back to a no-dependencies helloJavaWorld program
[18:53:01] <sumanah>	 :)
[18:53:09] <marktraceur>	 Reedy: My local wiki is not set up to be pretty, damn it
[18:53:18] <Vulpix>	 I've seen many wikis using /wiki as wgScriptPath
[18:53:19] <sumanah>	 Minimum Viable productishthing
[18:56:30] <onei>	 I'm trying to set up mediawiki vagrant, but for some reason I'm lacking /vagrant/mediawiki
[18:56:40] <onei>	 is there anywhere I can get that from directly?
[18:57:34] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: bunch of info.  What do you need?
[18:57:51] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Does it look like a JSON object with your site's information it it?
[18:59:47] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: Yup.
[18:59:53] <marktraceur>	 OK, that's a good thing
[19:00:12] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: I assume the siteinfo error above came from that server, too
[19:02:54] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: yes, same server.  I want to render the PDF locally as I can't get "out" onto the net.
[19:06:01] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: And your rendering server, how is that configured? (I don't know what your setup is...)
[19:09:22] <mcquiggi>	 I have mwlib, mwlib.rl and mwlib.ext, which I installed as FreeBSD ports.
[19:26:09] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: I mean, does it have a config file?
[19:26:35] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Alternatively, can you point me at the instructions you used to set it up?
[19:27:40] <fhocutt>	 hey sumanah, I got HelloJava.java working
[19:27:56] <fhocutt>	 a few unnecessary yaks wandered in on the way
[19:27:56] <sumanah>	 YAYYY
[19:27:59] <sumanah>	 heh
[19:28:05] <sumanah>	 What does it do?
[19:28:19] <fhocutt>	 prints "Hello Java!" :P
[19:28:45] <sumanah>	 This is a good first step!
[19:28:50] * sumanah toasts you with tea
[19:28:53] <fhocutt>	 but it is a Maven project and I did compile/build/etc and then execute with java [stuff...]
[19:28:58] <fhocutt>	 ooh, tea
[19:29:00] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: just back, was out for a bit.
[19:29:03] <sumanah>	 yes!
[19:29:08] <fhocutt>	 I will go get some myself.
[19:29:27] <sumanah>	 Seriously I just picked up my mug, raised it towards the screen, and then sipped
[19:30:10] <fhocutt>	 it turned out that the exec:exec plugin was unnecessary for that, at least
[19:30:34] <fhocutt>	 o/*
[19:35:23] * fhocutt celebrates with more tea and a handful of blueberries
[19:35:33] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: There's no config file per se. I just followed the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PDF_Writer, however, I see that the tests...
[19:36:28] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: involving starting the mw server (% mw-qserve) have version issues.  My dependency py-parsing is apparently too new.  Version number
[19:37:48] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: OK, can you try updating?
[19:37:51] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: has to be between 1.4.11 and 1.6, and I have 2.0.2.  Weird.  I think I give up!  I just need to get my wiki out into a PDF or other printable format for non-tech readers.
[19:38:54] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: the FreeBSD ports might be behind current releases.  I could try creating a Linux VM, install mediawiki, and import the wiki content there.  Ubuntu is usually current
[19:39:46] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Ooh, don't use the MediaWiki package in Debian
[19:39:48] <marktraceur>	 It's bad news bears
[19:40:39] <sumanah>	 (marktraceur: your usage of "bad news bears" charmingly reminds me of my high school journalism teacher, who taught me a great deal; thank you for that memory)
[19:40:55] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Here to help. :)
[19:41:16] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: okay well what would you suggest for a solid distribution for mediwiki please?  And thanks for the help!
[19:41:27] <marktraceur>	 !download | mcquiggi
[19:41:27] <wm-bot>	 mcquiggi: The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Git repository <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git>.
[19:41:30] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ^ one of your customers is here :)
[19:41:54] <marktraceur>	 Hey, I thought *we* were hexmode's customers!
[19:43:12] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: What did you set for "wgCollectionMWServeURL" in your LocalSettings?
[19:44:18] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Also, what command did you use to start the render server?
[19:44:52] <marktraceur>	 Oh, hm, nserve.
[19:45:15] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: I am checking localsettings...  I just tried starting it with "mw-qserve" as indicated in teh PDF_Writer docs.  Stand by for variable setting
[19:46:19] <marktraceur>	 KK
[19:47:29] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur:  aha!  It is not set in LocalSettings.php, but the include (vie "require_once") in Collection.php has it at pediapress.  I think I need to override that?
[19:47:58] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: mw-qserve fails though with the error about version in py-parsing.
[19:48:52] <sumanah>	 anomie: how's it going?
[19:49:25] <anomie>	 sumanah: Going ok, caught a cold though. How are you?
[19:49:42] <sumanah>	 anomie: I'm not bad
[19:50:08] <sumanah>	 anomie: did the https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon#API_Roadmap discussion happen? did anyone take notes?
[19:51:05] <sumanah>	 Hi Jarry1250!
[19:51:42] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: I have to step out for 45 min or so, back shortly
[19:51:44] <anomie>	 sumanah: It happened. No notes, except for what I added to the page itself. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment%2FAPI_roadmap&diff=1091313&oldid=1091298
[19:51:57] <mcquiggi>	 meetings, meetings... :-(
[19:52:17] <sumanah>	 Understood.
[19:53:00] <sumanah>	 ori: you around?
[19:55:07] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Hi! sad you couldn't make it to London, was half expecting to see you around every corner
[19:55:26] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: That is so kind of you to say
[19:55:48] <sumanah>	 I talk pretty loud so I bet the whole conference was a bit easier to hear as well!
[19:56:36] <Jarry1250>	 I couldn't possibly comment :)
[19:59:08] <sumanah>	 Oh I've watched the original House of Cards as well Jarry1250 :)
[19:59:23] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: How is your professional/scholarly life going?
[20:00:28] <marktraceur>	 mcquiggi: Yeah, you need to set your LocalSettings.php to point to your server
[20:06:01] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Great :) I've finished university and got my job starting 1 September
[20:06:11] <sumanah>	 :D
[20:06:26] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: is this the job for the government?
[20:07:01] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: also IIUC the done thing is to ask you what you were awarded, right? like, which class/category/grade of diploma/degree?
[20:07:15] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Yes! Well remembered. I'm also moving in with friends... on 1 September.
[20:07:23] <Jarry1250>	 First-Class, thanks for asking
[20:07:47] * sumanah checks LinkedIn
[20:07:50] <sumanah>	 1st Class Honours wowwwwwww
[20:07:51] <sumanah>	 congrats!
[20:08:11] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: RfCs! 
[20:08:19] * sumanah toasts you with tea (although it is, like, builders' tea)
[20:08:37] <Jarry1250>	 Builders' tea is good :)
[20:08:50] <sumanah>	 it's plural, right? like, it is related to all builders, not just one specific builder
[20:09:43] <fhocutt>	 what is builders' tea?
[20:10:26] <sumanah>	 oh I'm wrong maybe? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/builder%27s_tea
[20:10:56] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: have you 'met' Jarry1250? Harry Burt, longtime volunteer coder, writer, just graduated from Oxford in politics/philosophy/economics
[20:11:06] <fhocutt>	 no, I haven't! 
[20:11:08] <Jarry1250>	 ...let's just change that...
[20:11:15] * fhocutt waves to Jarry1250 
[20:11:23] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: fhocutt is my intern Frances who's a programmer, scientist, writer & speaker
[20:12:09] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250 did a GSoC a while back and I often point new applicants to his GSoC application as a model https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_roadmap
[20:12:10] <Jarry1250>	 Hi Frances, pleased to make your acquaintance
[20:12:22] <fhocutt>	 Hi Harry! Likewise.
[20:12:24] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: hehe, I'm still working on that
[20:12:29] <Jarry1250>	 literally right now in fact
[20:12:32] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: Frances has been coding in *four different languages* this summer in this project https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Evaluating_and_Improving_MediaWiki_web_API_client_libraries
[20:12:51] <sumanah>	 and she gave the final keynote address at Open Source Bridge http://franceshocutt.com/2014/07/01/why-are-these-people-following-me-leadership-for-the-introverted-uncertain-and-astonished/
[20:13:57] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: Yes! RfCs! I will probably be doing a big sweep of them today so that tomorrow's meeting can be a "let's talk about the status of 4 of these" thing
[20:14:18] <Jarry1250>	 None of which I profess any proficiency in :) Well, maybe a little Python from time to time...
[20:14:29] <fhocutt>	 a little Python can be very nice
[20:15:20] <fhocutt>	 I did a little Python for several years before I jumped in to more involved coding
[20:15:27] <sumanah>	 "a little Python is a dangerous thing / drink deep, or taste not of the REPL-y thing"
[20:15:39] * fhocutt grins
[20:16:03] <sumanah>	 oh no, repeated "thing", I will fix that later when I'm on the subway and my mind wanders
[20:16:31] <fhocutt>	 "a little Python yields a dangerous string/"
[20:16:39] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: also the deal with "builders' tea" is that in England, everyone's got tea in their kitchen that they like, basically, right? and when someone comes by to fix your plumbing or do other similar tasks (a "builder") you should offer them tea!
[20:16:45] <sumanah>	 but what if they don't like your weird tea?
[20:16:53] <fhocutt>	 ahhh. 
[20:16:54] <sumanah>	 so you keep Tetley or whatever random Orange Pekoe around
[20:17:03] <rhy__>	 So I'm setting up mediawiki on debian jessie, using: https://wiki.debian.org/MediaWiki
[20:17:04] <sumanah>	 to have something that everyone's okay drinking
[20:17:15] <sumanah>	 I'm not really clear on whether it's classist or hospitable or what
[20:17:18] <rhy__>	 and no matter what it keeps sending me to the LocalSettings.php d/l page.
[20:17:24] <fhocutt>	 huh. Interesting!
[20:18:21] <sumanah>	 Krenair, Jarry1250, Reedy and other people who actually *live* in the UK can now correct me thoroughly re builders' tea.
[20:18:27] <sumanah>	 rhy__: Hi there - hmmmm
[20:18:37] <fhocutt>	 I am still poking at Maven and packages and actually running my added program
[20:18:39] <rhy__>	 Hi!
[20:18:40] <rhy__>	 :)
[20:18:57] <sumanah>	 rhy__: ok, at what step does it send you to that page?
[20:19:02] <fhocutt>	 actually... maybe I am approaching this wrong.
[20:19:03] <sumanah>	 just to double check
[20:19:12] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: I think that's roughly right... but this is basically the stuff 95% of people drink 95% of the time anyway 
[20:19:49] <rhy__>	 Well, I download the file to my desktop, sftp it to the /usr/share/mediawiki, and then click "Enter my wiki", and get sent back to "No LocalSettings.php"
[20:20:33] <fhocutt>	 going to play with including dependencies in a new project.
[20:20:59] <sumanah>	 rhy__: what permissions does that  /usr/share/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php have?
[20:21:03] <Lcawte>	 Tea ... ewww... /me starts heading to ferry port.
[20:21:04] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: good idea!
[20:21:12] * rhy__ goes to look.
[20:21:54] <rhy__>	 -rw-r------ root www-data
[20:21:57] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: that is to say, they drink "breakfast" tea to give it it's nicer title (at least, I think that's the same thing, but could be corrected by a true connoisseur -- and I mean that in the xkcd sense)
[20:22:02] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: what a momentous 1 Sept you will have. :D First day of a new life. I hope it goes great. And between now and then, a lot of hacking? :)
[20:22:37] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: That's the plan :)
[20:22:42] <sumanah>	 oh and Jarry1250 you have to update http://www.harryburt.co.uk/category/professional/ too! the sidebar!
[20:23:29] <sumanah>	 rhy__: so I could be wrong, but I think you should look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide to understand better what permissions that file will need to have - I think right now it doesn't have everything it needs
[20:23:55] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Yeah, that's being blocked by my planned site redesign, which is, y'know, only two months behind schedule.
[20:24:48] <rhy__>	 who is <webserver owner>
[20:24:49] <rhy__>	 ?
[20:24:51] <rhy__>	 root?
[20:25:21] * sumanah at this point steps aside, having asked a few diagnostic questions, so more experienced people can answer
[20:30:29] <rhy__>	 Meh.  On the working wiki, that is some kind of symlink to /var/lib/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php
[20:30:42] <rhy__>	 on THIS wiki, it seems opposite.
[20:31:31] <rhy__>	 which is ANOTHER symlink to /etc/mediawiki DOH!
[20:32:21] <rhy__>	 BOOM!  Works.
[20:34:12] <sumanah>	 Wow!
[20:35:34] <rhy__>	 So now how do I add additional users?
[20:36:44] <sumanah>	 rhy__: like, how do you add additional accounts within MediaWiki, who could edit the wiki?
[20:37:06] <rhy__>	 Yes!
[20:37:39] <sumanah>	 rhy__: Aha. So, I don't know whether there's a way for you, the administrator, to create those accounts for other people easily
[20:38:05] <sumanah>	 the general method is that those people sign up, themselves, using the link in the upper right hand corner of the website, and go through the account creation process
[20:38:21] <rhy__>	 (yes)
[20:38:29] <rhy__>	 OK, well then that's what we will advise. :)
[20:38:34] <sumanah>	 are you hoping to autocreate stuff though?
[20:38:36] <sumanah>	 there must be a way
[20:38:58] <rhy__>	 I'm sure I could pwd my way around, but nah... that's really beyond my purview.
[20:39:07] <rhy__>	 Forget I asked. :)
[20:39:22] <sumanah>	 I do not personally know how, but surely you are not the first person who has said "I would like to be able to programmatically create these accounts with these usernames associated with these addresses and random passwords"
[20:40:36] <Jarry1250>	 rhy__: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Mass_account_creation
[20:40:58] <Jarry1250>	 Hmm, should have read that first
[20:41:06] <rhy__>	 :)
[20:41:09] <rhy__>	 Thanks!
[20:41:13] <rhy__>	 That is a good link....
[20:41:24] <valhallasw`cloud>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImportUsers is more relevant, I guess
[20:41:58] <Jarry1250>	 valhallasw`cloud: Yeah, I was just going to suggest that (links to https://github.com/kghbln/ImportUsers)
[20:42:09] <Jarry1250>	 Not sure if ti still works though
[20:42:11] * valhallasw`cloud high-fives Jarry1250
[20:42:28] <tmarsland>	 Trying to install mediawiki. Uploaded to my server.  Went to the address. Selected languages, hit continue.. no new page is loading. Help?
[20:42:37] * Jarry1250 hi-fives back
[20:43:00] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: As in, it loaded blank? Or it's not going anywhere at all?
[20:44:20] <fhocutt>	 hm, I have the dependency in my pom.xml, why is it still giving me compile-time errors?
[20:44:32] * rhy__ awkwardly misses opportunity to high five.
[20:45:17] * valhallasw`cloud high-fives rhy__ anyway
[20:45:53] <tmarsland>	 It appears that it’s not going anywhere. The page blanks. but the status bar is like 30% of the way loaded.  Want to look?
[20:46:32] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: potentially it's just being slow. How long have you been waiting?
[20:47:08] <tmarsland>	 It shouldn’t be -that- slow. a minute?
[20:49:49] <tmarsland>	 Still trying to load… still thinking.
[20:51:05] <tmarsland>	 Does folder name matter? I uploaded to www.mydomain.com/maps/wiki/
[20:51:19] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: it'll probably vary quite a bit, and I doubt it's optimised
[20:51:37] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud: hey, so, did you see Andre's comment at the end of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Deprecate_pywikibot-compat ?
[20:51:52] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: folder name shouldn't matter at this stage. I think someone else will know how to check whether it's actually doing something or note
[20:52:08] <tmarsland>	 Anyone able to help?
[20:55:50] <Jarry1250>	 On a related note, anyone know how the changes to skins affect the installer (which force-included Vector, as I recall)?
[20:56:13] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex_mobile: ^ :)
[20:58:20] <tmarsland>	 I goto the directory and get the message about LocalSettings.pgp not found.. I click complete the installation , which works fine and loads the next page.
[20:58:47] <tmarsland>	 I then select English for the two languages, hit continue, and it just tries loading forever.
[20:59:11] <tmarsland>	 It’s unable to load http://www.marslands.net/maps/wiki/mw-config/index.php?page=Welcome 
[20:59:11] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: can you check the PHP error logs?
[20:59:45] <valhallasw`cloud>	 sumanah: yes, but I forgot to talk to him about it on wikimania :/
[20:59:46] <tmarsland>	 It’s not my server.. trying to figure out how.
[20:59:53] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud: It happens. 
[21:04:52] <legoktm>	 Jarry1250: the plan was to ship them with the tarball, and have something similar to extensions for skins
[21:04:55] <legoktm>	 (IIRC)
[21:07:22] <gute>	 Hi guys. when I try to upgrade smw to 2.0 through composer, there seems to be a version problem with semantic-maps that require smw 1.9. Is there a workaround or do I have to wait for next release of semantic-maps?
[21:08:55] <tmarsland>	 Tue Aug 12 16:55:25.500572 2014] [:error] [pid 11086] [client 74.118.240.118:33103] script '/home/virtual/site356/fst/var/www/marslands.net/maps/wiki/install.php' not found or unable to stat
[21:09:02] <tmarsland>	 That’s the error I’m getting.
[21:09:10] <tmarsland>	 I guess not all of my files uploaded?
[21:11:56] <Jarry1250>	 tmarsland: just going out on a limb here, but did you configure any rewrite rules before you ran the installer?
[21:13:35] <tmarsland>	 I didn’t configure anything on the server. I uploaded the files and browsed to www.mydomain.com/maps/wiki/index.php .
[21:16:36] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud: and I just wanted to mention that figuring that out would probably help you close up the RfC and close down compat and focus on core
[21:16:52] <sumanah>	 I looked in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikipedia-l/2014-August/thread.html and didn't see anything about the RfC so I figured it would be good to ping you :)
[21:16:59] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: how goes the realm of dependencies?
[21:17:16] <fhocutt>	 hm
[21:17:28] <fhocutt>	 I think I need to add import statements
[21:18:12] <tmarsland>	 Ah. Think I know what’s going on.
[21:22:55] <legoktm>	 sumanah: I think the last time the RfC came up was in either June or July, and at that time I had asked him what his problem was, and we fixed it (it was mwph iirc)
[21:23:57] <legoktm>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikipedia-l/2014-June/008773.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikipedia-l/2014-June/008778.html https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66010 (now fixed)
[21:24:26] <sumanah>	 mwph is a component legoktm?
[21:24:49] <legoktm>	 mwparserfromhell is an optional dependency to pywikibot, it's maintained on github though
[21:24:59] <sumanah>	 legoktm: maybe you could comment saying so on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Deprecate_pywikibot-compat ?
[21:25:10] <sumanah>	 so it's clear this is no longer a blocker
[21:25:22] * legoktm does
[21:25:24] <sumanah>	 Thanks!
[21:25:39] <sumanah>	 legoktm: btw are there any RfCs you'd like to have discussed/approved sometime soon?
[21:26:46] <legoktm>	 I have a few things I need to fix up in the extension registration RfC after discussing them with ^d last week, it would be good to have an IRC hour (or half) for it after that
[21:26:47] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 Jarry1250: the installer handles skins mostly in the same way it handles extensions now
[21:26:51] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 tl;dr it works
[21:26:54] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 try it out? :)
[21:27:16] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 marktraceur: D:
[21:27:18] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 !vector
[21:27:18] <wm-bot>	 Vector is the new skin designed as part of the Wikimedia Usability Project <http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>. It was introduced in MediaWiki 1.16, and made default since MediaWiki 1.17. To set it as default in 1.17, set $wgDefaultSkin = 'vector'; in LocalSettings.php. Say !skin or !localsettings for more details.
[21:27:54] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 hmm
[21:28:26] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 !vector del
[21:28:27] <wm-bot>	 Successfully removed vector
[21:29:59] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 !vector is Vector is MediaWiki's default skin since MW 1.17. It has been included in the download tarballs since then. For instructions on how to install it if you don't have it, see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector#Installation>. Say !skin or !localsettings for more details.
[21:30:00] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[21:30:02] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: I'm asking a friend about dependencies but I am very confused
[21:30:11] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 marktraceur: good enough? :D
[21:30:41] * sumanah listens to fhocutt's situation
[21:31:47] <fhocutt>	 I apparently have a problem with my import statements and I'm not sure how to fix those
[21:31:52] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex_mobile: Woohoo
[21:31:53] <marktraceur>	 ty
[21:32:10] * marktraceur $bestFriend = MatmaRex
[21:32:49] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: what errors are you getting, if any?
[21:32:49] <tmarsland>	 Okay, wtf. Downloaded mediawiki, uploaded it to www.marslands.net/maps/ . Go there to run the installer, and it won’t load at all.
[21:33:07] <fhocutt>	 error: cannot find symbol
[21:33:22] <legoktm>	 marktraceur: I'm crushed.
[21:34:20] <tmarsland>	 Alright. I think I’ll find something else to use for a CMS… I’ve never encountered this many issues.
[21:34:56] <fhocutt>	 sumanah: I am told this implies a problem with my import statements most likely
[21:35:09] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: I'm back!  What would recommend as a base Linux distribution for mediawiki?  I will build a fresh VM, put mediawiki on it, and restore my wiki to there.  THEN I will be able to create a PDF.
[21:35:10] <fhocutt>	 I am not actually sure where maven is putting my dependencies, that would be something to check
[21:35:16] <sumanah>	 oooh, yes
[21:35:24] <sumanah>	 valhallasw`cloud: ^ if you have any tips....
[21:35:46] <mcquiggi>	 marktraceur: a bit convoluted but it seems that the FreeBSD ports are not in sync.  
[21:38:16] <gute>	 never mind guys. Solved the problem. \�/
[21:38:35] * tmarsland sighs.
[21:41:07] <fhocutt>	 ...it is not putting my dependencies anywhere?!
[21:41:12] <fhocutt>	 afiact
[21:42:35] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: that feels impossible
[21:42:42] <sumanah>	 like, what about the pom file?
[21:43:13] <fhocutt>	 the things it downloads to be dependencies I mean
[21:43:16] <fhocutt>	 let me see. 
[21:46:19] <fhocutt>	 ...
[21:46:50] <marktraceur>	 mcq<tab> aw.
[21:47:03] <marktraceur>	 legoktm: *hugs* I will make it an array in the next release
[21:47:06] <marktraceur>	 Breaking change and all
[21:47:08] <legoktm>	 :>
[21:47:13] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 are there any newer Lua status, news than from 2013? https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/lua/ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting/status
[21:48:00] <legoktm>	 Erkan_Yilmaz: not really. major development on Lua has slowed down since there are no longer any major bugs AFAIK. tl;dr: it works
[21:48:27] <sumanah>	 fhocutt: are there friendly Java IRC channels where you can ask about this stuff?
[21:48:57] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 legoktm thx
[21:51:55] <sumanah>	 I gotta head off, dinner
[22:00:46] <valhallasw`cloud>	 Sumana/fhocutt: sorry, I know nothing about Maven
[22:01:07] <fhocutt>	 how about import statements for .java files?
[22:02:58] <valhallasw`cloud>	 Iirc there's some sort of module search path, and then the org.something.whatever is in a directory tree org/something/... Below one of those dirs
[22:03:20] <valhallasw`cloud>	 But that's basically all I know...
[22:03:57] <fhocutt>	 hm :/
[22:03:59] <fhocutt>	 thanks.
[22:47:50] <Fyora>	 Hi, is there anywhere I can view the source of any Mediawiki project, such as Wikipedia or Mediawiki.org? I've upgraded from shared hosting to a 600 mb VPS for my wiki, and things still run rather slow so I'd like to see the source of an official project, as they seem to run perfectly fast.
[22:48:33] <Fyora>	 (And the reason for that would be to view configuration settings)
[22:48:52] <RoanKattouw>	 !performance
[22:48:52] <wm-bot>	 <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/How_to_make_MediaWiki_fast> <http://mituzas.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/>
[22:49:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Fyora: Those links ---^^ have some performance tuning adivce
[22:49:11] <RoanKattouw>	 WMF's config is also on line, let me grab the link
[22:51:06] <legoktm>	 Fyora: noc.wikimedia.org has nearly everything
[22:51:12] <legoktm>	 or links to
[22:51:23] <Fyora>	 Roankatoow - Thank-you! I've already viewed those guides, I have pretty much everything but a caching service like Squid.
[22:51:28] <legoktm>	 https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/
[22:58:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that
[22:58:59] <RoanKattouw>	 (Sorry, got distracted)
[22:59:28] <RoanKattouw>	 We also have our config in a git repository, https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/operations%2Fmediawiki-config.git
[23:03:57] <Fora>	 tanks, legoktm.
[23:04:05] <Fora>	 Thanks, legoktm.
[23:04:25] <legoktm>	 :)
[23:20:41] <tmarsland>	 Can anyone give me ideas as to what to look at here? http://www.marslands.net/maps/index.php
[23:23:11] <wmat>	 tmarsland: did you click on "set up the wiki"?
[23:23:21] <tmarsland>	 Yep.
[23:23:28] <tmarsland>	 Then clicked Continue, and it hangs.
[23:23:33] <tmarsland>	 Go ahead and try it.
[23:26:00] <tmarsland>	 I set the folder and contents to 777, and I’ve already made a DB for it, but I can’t even get that far. I don’t get it.
[23:26:08] <tmarsland>	 No errors in my PHP error log either.
[23:26:43] <wmat>	 that step can take some time
[23:27:04] <tmarsland>	 How long are you saying?
[23:27:07] <tmarsland>	 Like over an hour?
[23:27:12] <tmarsland>	 For the next page to load?
[23:27:31] <wmat>	 no, a few minutes though
[23:27:50] <tmarsland>	 Well, I just clicked continue. Waiting again.
[23:28:04] <wmat>	 as was I, I'll stop mine
[23:31:34] <tmarsland>	 Hm. I wonder how I find out what version of php my server is on...
[23:33:32] <wmat>	 tmarsland: php -v
[23:34:09] <tmarsland>	 I’m using a host. Not sure how to check theirs.
[23:34:23] <wmat>	 do you have terminal access?
[23:34:50] <wmat>	 tmarsland: http://php.about.com/od/troubleshooting/ht/phpversioncheck.htm
[23:35:48] <tmarsland>	 Ah yes, thank you.