[00:43:52] Is there a way via the API to determine if a wiki support uploads? [00:53:15] if I have an html file that I converted to media wiki…how do I upload this file to a media wiki site? [00:53:17] Skizzerz: I have no vested interest, but... poke: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64043 [01:05:20] john_doe_jr, Not sure exactly what you did [01:05:50] john_doe_jr, but if you have mediawiki wikicode, you can cut&paste it onto a wikipage, or if you have xml, you might use special:import [01:26:23] kim_bruning: alright it totally did not work…I mean it sort of worked.. [01:29:37] john_doe_jr, well, I don't know what you did, and I don't know what you mean by did not work, and I don't know what you mean by sort of worked :-) [01:30:09] And I don't know how you converted your HTML file, and I don't know what your resultant code looks like [01:30:29] kim_bruning: well, it looks sort of like the HTML file but it doesn't have the pics and they are in the wrong place [01:30:52] Ok, I don't know what "it" is. Though I can imagine there wouldn't be pics [01:30:58] HTML files don't have pics either, per-se [01:31:09] you need to upload those separately [01:31:21] Via Special:Upload. [01:31:25] right [01:31:32] Then use syntax "[[File:File name.ext]]" to include the images. [01:31:43] and won't work. Most other HTML works. [01:31:45] and you don't know what the input looks like? [01:31:47] ah yeah, well, I don't think we're anywhere near that point ;-) [01:32:04] john_doe_jr, can you show me your wiki? ;-) [01:33:21] kim_bruning: http://ec2-174-129-155-1.compute-1.amazonaws.com/mediawiki/Main_Page [01:34:14] and why are you converting html to mediawiki in the first place btw? ^^;; [01:34:33] The server at ec2-174-129-155-1.compute-1.amazonaws.com is taking too long to respond. [01:34:37] hmmm, that can't be good [01:34:45] kim_bruning: I have this memory aid that takes html [01:35:14] well, I don't seem to be able to connect to your wiki at the moment [01:35:30] kim_bruning: well, never mind my bitnami 1 hour trial expired [01:35:48] oh well [01:35:55] ok, then it's going to be rather hard to help you [01:36:18] though amazonaws is pretty cheap to run for a short while at least [01:37:23] so just to summarize, you told me virtually nothing, didn't provide the files you were using, told us "it didn't work" rather than what happened vs what you expected... [01:37:30] and your wiki is not currently operational. [01:38:08] kim_bruning: well, just a sec [01:38:27] kim_bruning: :-) [01:39:05] A certain german devops' grating style is rubbing off on me ^^;;;;; [01:39:14] OTOH maybe it's faster [01:39:30] kim_bruning, who? [01:39:56] Someone on a different IRC network :-P [01:40:14] We use IRC at work. [01:40:16] I like that. [01:40:39] kim_bruning: just trying to re-create a 1 hour server again so I can show u the media wiki output [01:40:47] Oh, Carmela is $blonde , I should have guessed ;-) [01:41:04] Someone has to hold the fort. [01:41:12] You been paying attention to wikimedia-l? [01:41:13] john_doe_jr, you don't normally have a vps stashed someplace? (they cost a few quid per month from any decent vendor) [01:41:25] Carmela, actually no, /me looks [01:41:43] kim_bruning: This year has seen a new ED. [01:41:45] And her partner. [01:41:48] And now MediaViewer. [01:41:48] kim_bruning: I guess I could download a media wiki cloud virtual machine and use it [01:42:03] Download a what? [01:42:18] Carmela, I told said partner to stalk gregory maxwell. He stalked Kohs instead :-P [01:42:23] john_doe_jr, do what? [01:42:29] MediaWiki is Web software. If you want to run it consistently, you'll need a dedicated Web server. [01:42:41] kim_bruning: Hah. [01:42:50] kim_bruning: Brilliant. [01:42:53] Carmela, I guess someone is offering a preconfigured VM image :-P [01:43:14] Probably, but if you just want to fuck around with MediaWiki, we have Vagrant. [01:43:17] !vagrant [01:43:17] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant [01:43:18] john_doe_jr, ok, show me the file you want to use on mediawiki [01:43:28] john_doe_jr, and why do you want to use said file on mediawiki? [01:43:49] john_doe_jr, actually, why are you running 1 hour instances with mediawiki on? [01:44:03] * kim_bruning wonders what the use case is, since mediawiki is usually more useful on permanent servers :-P [01:44:10] kim_bruning: well, its my calculus PDF book [01:44:11] rotfl [01:44:17] (unless you're just experimenting I guess) [01:44:31] kim_bruning: I'm experimenting..this is completely new to me [01:44:32] john_doe_jr, Ohkay... that's interesting enough :-) [01:44:42] john_doe_jr, Okay, well, what are you trying to achieve? [01:44:45] kim_bruning: how do I get it to u? [01:44:49] If you just want to experiment, you may want to try Vagrant. [01:44:54] john_doe_jr, well, what are you trying to achieve? [01:45:03] Carmela, don't give spurious info please? [01:45:13] kim_bruning: Did you click the link? [01:45:27] kim_bruning: I'm trying to make my calculus pdf that I converted to html look good in media wiki [01:45:32] Carmela, which link is relevant to my discussion with john_doe_jr ? [01:45:42] john_doe_jr, Ok, sure, why do you want to do that? [01:45:56] Shrug. [01:46:21] john_doe_jr, (I'm trying to figure if there's something else that might be a better Idea ;-) [01:46:31] It doesn't sound like john_doe_jr wants a Web site, just a means of playing around with MediaWiki. We have tools that make that a lot easier. [01:46:48] john_doe_jr, are you trying to learn how to use mediawiki, or trying to convert pdf , or do you want to share the textbook? [01:46:49] Easier than 1-hour AWS trials, I think. [01:47:01] Carmela, probably [01:47:06] Heh, sharing the PDF. Yes, there are certainly easier ways! [01:47:07] Carmela, but you're assuming :-) [01:47:11] Though transferring files is still annoying. [01:47:14] cariaso, yes ;-) [01:47:18] ;-) [01:47:37] john_doe_jr, or are you trying to achieve something else? [01:47:50] kim_bruning: I was going to PM you my dropbox link but I don't see u in the list [01:47:59] Carmela, ps. I mistrust vagrant for new users. It borked on me during wikimania hacking days [01:48:09] I've never used it, heh. [01:48:11] john_doe_jr, "In The List"? [01:48:13] I hear good things, though. [01:48:24] I think it's much easier for new users than setting up MediaWiki. (o; [01:48:25] kim_bruning: I don't see your name [01:48:26] john_doe_jr, can you tell me what you are trying to achieve first? [01:48:28] Though maybe not. [01:48:34] john_doe_jr, then we can determine what information we need [01:48:53] You can use the syntax "/msg kim_bruning" [01:48:59] john_doe_jr, and/or what steps to take [01:49:06] Carmela, I really wish you hadn't said that [01:49:10] :D [01:49:14] Knowledge is great. [01:49:17] kim_bruning: yes…see. I use a program called SuperMemo and it works great using wikipedia articles but not so much in html …it has all kinds of filters for wikipedia articles [01:49:36] kim_bruning: You seem a bit on-edge, FWIW. [01:50:01] kim_bruning: I'm trying to turn my PDF to HTML to MediaWiki so I can import the file into SuperMemo and start learning [01:50:02] Carmela, Just being more engineery than usual :-P [01:50:11] kim_bruning: In addition to wikimedia-l, there's quite a bit of Meta-Wiki activity as well. [01:50:29] john_doe_jr, ok, so do you know how supermemo imports information from mediawiki at all? [01:50:33] Upset letters to the Board, discussions about power and the role of the Wikimedia Foundation, etc. [01:50:46] kim_bruning: so I thought I could have a localhost media wiki running and import the files into SuperMemo [01:50:53] Carmela, it reminds me of a company I work for ;-) [01:51:08] john_doe_jr, I'm not sure that'd work out the way you'd think [01:51:13] kim_bruning: I've used it several times using wikipedia content…works great [01:51:20] john_doe_jr, can supermemo only import from mediawiki? [01:51:46] john_doe_jr, did you import mediawiki content into supermemo directly, or via a localhost mediawiki somehow? [01:51:58] john_doe_jr, it seems like what you're doing might be a tad nontrivial [01:52:01] kim_bruning: no…it can import html but it doesn't import exactly like the PDF so I spend a lot of time fixing it [01:52:07] okay [01:52:13] so why the intermediate mediawiki step [01:52:18] isn't that more complicated? [01:52:33] (and doesn't that make it worse?) [01:52:52] Carmela, checking wikimedia-l [01:53:01] kim_bruning: well, the filters for wikipedia are excellent and I really don't know why but it imports it exactly [01:53:04] Carmela, I caught most of the stuff going on at wikimania ;-) [01:53:19] john_doe_jr, ok, great, but the conversion from pdf to mediawiki really sucks :-P [01:53:19] Ah, right. [01:53:32] kim_bruning: see my problem [01:53:48] I figured out how to convert from html to media wiki [01:53:54] which still sucks [01:53:57] but go on? [01:54:58] kim_bruning: well, I pasted the media wiki markup and it produced all the text but no images etc..I'm assuming there is a lot more work that needs to be done…I was hoping for some quite conversion to media wiki [01:55:20] you need to upload the images to mediawiki separately [01:55:22] *quick conversion [01:55:35] kim_bruning: right….well, that sucks [01:55:38] right, typically there are no good conversions *to* mediawiki [01:55:53] you might be able to upload images in one go using one of the maintenance scripts [01:56:17] if you're any good at scripting, and the rest of your solution actually works, you could try scripting the lot together [01:56:29] but really it seems like you're taking a really really really roundabout path [01:56:43] Though I get why you might have thought to try it ;-) [01:56:57] * kim_bruning also gets myself into similar kinds of trouble at times [01:57:51] btw, seeing the kinds of questions you're asking, I'm guessing you probably aren't too good at scripting. (else you'd have had a lot of practice asking questions about that already :-p) [01:57:59] kim_bruning: well, I figured it I could just solve this problem of taking content from PDF to HTML to Media Wiki I could use any PDF content [01:58:15] insofar as that went, that was a good thought [01:58:30] insofar as why you thought it was a good idea in general, I shan't comment :-) [01:58:50] kim_bruning: scripting in several languages but not media wiki [01:59:14] Since you just came up with 2 huge new problems to replace your smaller original one ;-) [01:59:28] I was thinking something like python, perl, bash, or etc ;-) [01:59:39] kim_bruning: well, it handles wikipedia content really really well…I just thought if I created a tool chain for the PDF content …I could have any PDF content [01:59:51] kim_bruning: lol [02:00:01] Yeah except you chose a lossy conversion path to begin with [02:00:02] kim_bruning: I never need to brag on myself [02:00:09] * kim_bruning scratches head [02:00:25] well, what path would you choose then? [02:01:02] I wouldn't call it bragging. "Yes I speak German" or "no I don't speak german" is a perfectly useful and valid statement to make [02:01:15] (idem perl, python, or some other turing complete language) [02:01:33] john_doe_jr, well, frankly, I think you're pretty much bleeped. [02:01:40] unless there's a direct import path for pdf [02:02:08] kim_bruning: PDF file format is horrible to work with [02:02:09] otoh I don't know supermemo at all [02:02:44] kim_bruning: well, it's a nice program…I've been using it for a while now…It has got some worts though [02:02:56] I agree that PDF sucks [02:02:59] html is a lot better [02:03:06] mediawiki is aweful though [02:03:11] html is better than mediawiki [02:03:14] kim_bruning: mostly a bad program but I don't want to write it myself [02:03:19] if you have to do a conversion, take it from there [02:03:43] mediawiki syntax is nice if you're writing stuff, not so much if you're trying to do conversions [02:03:51] * kim_bruning scratches head [02:04:02] well, if the html to mediawiki conversion works well enough for you [02:04:11] you might want to try using a bulk upload script [02:04:17] (for the images) [02:05:17] kim_bruning: could it be done easily [02:05:24] if you can use command line? [02:05:35] kim_bruning: I can [02:05:48] there's an import script in the maintenance directory [02:05:52] called importImages.php [02:06:28] no idea how well it works, you'll have to figure it out :-) [02:06:36] but maybe you can make it a 2 step process [02:06:47] maybe not perfect, but at least you don't need to do 100 steps by hand :-P [02:09:50] kim_bruning: In the maintenance directory? [02:11:19] kim_bruning: I see a scripts folder with a setevn.sh and build-setevn.sh scripts [02:12:36] no such thing exists within the mediawiki directory [02:12:41] you're looking in the wrong place? [02:13:27] alright ….I see a apache2, common, mysql, php, sqlite, and scripts folder….. [02:13:45] kim_bruning: I used bitnomi media wiki [02:14:29] I don't know what that is [02:14:56] I cannot guess where mediawiki is stowed, but maybe there's a way [02:15:08] is mediawiki already running on that system? [02:15:11] can you give me a link? [02:15:18] or is this a local system [02:18:13] kim_bruning: it's on my local system sorry [02:18:21] kim_bruning: I was using the 1 hour demo server [02:18:31] well where are you now? [02:18:38] tell you what [02:18:43] let's take a gamble or two [02:18:46] try : [02:18:59] kim_bruning: thanks for all your help by the way [02:19:07] find . | grep LocalSettings.php [02:19:22] or, alternately [02:19:27] find . | grep maintenance [02:19:38] assuming you are on a linux shell [02:19:44] what does your shell prompt look like? ;-) [02:20:05] (aka, what's the bit in front of your cursor? Mine looks like this : [02:20:10] kim@they ~/public_html/rabowiki/mediawiki-1.19.2 $ [02:20:12] ) [02:20:36] kim_bruning: found all kinds of maintenance folders: ./apps/mediawiki/htdocs/maintenance [02:20:50] how many did you find? [02:20:56] that particular one looks interesting [02:21:36] ls ./apps/mediawiki/htdocs/maintenance | grep php | wc -l [02:21:40] kim_bruning: I downloaded the bitnomi media wiki install [02:22:05] (for yourself, you can try just ls ./apps/mediawiki/htdocs/maintenance and see if you have a lot of php files. [02:22:20] my own question is more complicated just so the answer will be 1 line and thus easier on irc ;-) [02:23:22] kim_bruning: all kinds of php files [02:23:27] if you have multiple maintenance directories, try the command I gave you on each and see if you can find one that returns some number > 100 [02:23:51] john_doe_jr, Ok sure, but the question I'd like you to answer is ls ./apps/mediawiki/htdocs/maintenance | grep php | wc -l [02:24:17] unless you used cd somewhere along the way, in which case it'll be a bit more difficult :-P [02:24:31] kim_bruning: 139 [02:24:38] Ok, that's awesome [02:24:52] you'll probably find the file importImages.php in that directory [02:25:17] can you figure out how to use that yourself? [02:25:37] kim_bruning: I can try [02:25:50] hmph [02:26:17] well, ok, I'd like to help more, but I need to sleep [02:26:32] kim_bruning: ok thank you very much [02:26:34] you can try letting that loose on the images included in your html file :-) [02:26:45] kim_bruning: I will thank you [02:27:05] incidentially, your mediawiki dir appears to be apps/mediawiki/htdocs [02:27:10] (for future reference) [02:27:20] and if you can't figure stuff out, ask around here some more [02:27:33] kim_bruning: right….well, I had no idea until I did the grep [02:27:41] john_doe_jr, right? :-) [02:29:20] Anyway, it's a bit hard to help you, since you only answer half the questions I asked :-P [02:29:46] And I had to ask twice too [02:29:51] that despite irc being a text medium [02:29:59] And I'm a bit grumpy because it's so late :-P [02:30:13] but that shouldn't be part of it ;-) [02:30:33] kim_bruning: well, sorry….new to the media wiki community [02:30:44] kim_bruning: I will do better [02:30:54] john_doe_jr, nah, nothing to do with that. It's the same no matter where you go for technical help :-) [02:31:29] john_doe_jr, ask smart questions, be clear about what you're trying to achieve, explain what you've already tried, and then ask for help ;-) [02:31:29] kim_bruning: alright well, I will do better [02:31:52] john_doe_jr, then when folks are helping, answer their questions :-) Take your time, it's a text medium [02:31:55] kim_bruning: sorry I was in the middle of dealing with my children [02:32:22] Oh right, and when getting help, make sure you're free to concentrate on the problem :-) [02:32:33] Though kids sometimes happen I know [02:32:55] And I'm not angry at you or anything mind you [02:33:05] just pointing out how you could have gotten help a LOT quicker :-) [02:33:17] (well, sometimes anyway :-) [02:33:37] So no need to apologize to me, at least:-) [02:33:38] kim_bruning: right…I will be clearer next time [02:34:07] john_doe_jr, Just takes practice. No worries! :-) [09:13:59] Hey, I just moved my wiki to another host, everything worked FLAWLESS so far, but I can't get Thumbnails working. I always get "Unable to save thumbnail to destination". Tried pretty much everything involving wgUploadDirectory, wgTmpDirectory, even putenv(TMPDIR) stuff. Anyone willing to help ? I don't have any approaches any more and already went through all relevant talks ._. [09:14:30] have you checked that your webserver process (apache?) is able to write to your thumbnail directory? [09:15:54] nginx, everything set to 775 - am running on a subdomain (wiki.blabla.com) - but in the end I set all pathes manually, so this shouldn't interfer [09:16:15] and yes, I quadrupple-checked my pathes :p [09:16:38] hm [09:16:39] $wgEnableUploads = true; [09:16:41] $wgUseImageMagick = true; [09:16:43] $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; [09:16:45] $wgUploadDirectory = "/var/www-wiki/wiki/images/"; [09:16:47] $wgTmpDirectory = "/var/www-wiki/wik/images/temp/"; [09:16:50] $wgMaxShellMemory = 524288; [09:16:52] $wgTmpDirectory = ini_get('upload_tmp_dir'); [09:16:54] # Because my server got stupid [09:16:56] putenv('TMPDIR=/var/www-wiki/wiki/images/temp'); [09:16:58] is what I have right now, sorry for spam [09:17:10] ImagMagick is fine as well [09:17:52] drwxrwxr-x 19 997 1001 4096 Aug 26 15:19 images/ [09:18:20] as I just ported, there already are a bunch of images - and if I view them without thumbnail the work fine [09:19:24] upload works fine with new files (but no thumbnails) [09:30:56] 1.22.5 - btw [13:00:54] somehow it's working now. [13:00:56] don't asl [13:00:59] *ask [13:01:13] legoktm: still thanks for looking into it ^^ [13:04:43] ahoy [13:05:48] i get lots of "NOTICE: PHP message: PHP Warning: preg_match(): Compilation failed: group name must start with a non-digit at offset 8 in /var/www/hosts/wiki/includes/MagicWord.php on line 902" with current REL1_20 HEAD. [13:06:18] could this be a leftover of bug #58640 ? The symptoms are the same [13:06:34] !bug 58640 [13:06:34] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=58640 [13:21:47] Hello; I have a problem, I want to redirect my user page to a category, but by doing so, my user page is listed in the category as well. http://wiki.flamingcabbitprod.com/index.php?title=User:Amanda&redirect=no How can I fix this? [13:28:32] Is there a way to address an edit by its global edit number? e.g. I see when I leave out the title info I can do: diff=32482&oldid=32474 and it still shows the correct page where it was [13:28:54] but that requires me to know the oldid (which I could get, but still a coding task more) [13:29:29] so, my question would be: can I have that difflink via just 1 id/link somehow? [13:30:05] me looks at permalink, perhaps it's there [13:30:50] OK, that solves my question [13:30:53] I can just use oldid=32486 [13:30:57] the bug is gone after upgrading to REL1_23 [13:33:08] Erkan_Yilmaz, you can also use 'Special:PermaLink/' followed by the same number you give for oldid= [13:33:39] thx, let me check out [13:34:01] nice [13:34:17] (so I can use it as real internal link) [13:34:32] yep [13:53:59] I want to redirect my user page to a category, but by doing so, my user page is listed in the category as well. http://wiki.flamingcabbitprod.com/index.php?title=User:Amanda&redirect=no How can I fix this? [14:03:17] Con_: change [[Category: to [[:Category: [14:03:46] Thank you very kindly! [14:03:53] you're welcome! [14:35:39] Hi @all [14:36:35] Does someone know if it is possible to get in a template the pagename+ns of the "calling" page? [15:14:36] One question, maybe it's the right place here. I reworked the extension:Tooltip. As i got it tested, it works quite fine now with 1.23.2 and i thnk with a few older versions too. It seems it was not meintained last 6 years. Unitl now i published my source updates on the talk page. But i think there are better ways? [15:21:39] One question, maybe it's the right place here. I reworked the extension:Tooltip. As i got it tested, it works quite fine now with 1.23.2 and i thnk with a few older versions too. It seems it was not meintained last 6 years. Unitl now i published my source updates on the talk page. But i think there are better ways? [15:22:23] !e Tooltip [15:22:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tooltip [15:23:33] baxi: the code is in SVN, but SVN doesn't accept commits anymore, because we moved to git [15:23:48] ok, so what to do with it? [15:23:51] you can request it to be moved to the git repository and maintain that extension [15:24:01] how? [15:24:18] and what about the old author? [15:25:07] baxi: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/New_repositories [15:25:35] as for the author, original files should have the author name already, as well extension credits [15:25:57] you can also email him about that if he's still interested in that extension [15:26:19] ok, i try to find the email dress, thx [15:26:32] *adress [15:26:48] it's on his user page [15:27:01] yes got it thx [15:27:33] If the repo is still svn only I'd say it's safe to assume that no one will object to a new maintainer taking over. [15:28:07] yep [15:28:25] i send him email. i maybe come back later. thx for now [16:19:22] Hi, is there a version of semanticmediawiki that works against wmf/1.24wmf ? [16:35:54] (answered-ish in #wikimedia-operations) [17:14:21] Hi all. Is there a way to install mediawiki without using a the config web form? I am trying to build mediawiki with a script. [17:15:10] skyler: there's a maintenance script called install.php or something [17:16:26] Vulpix: Thanks. I will take a look at it. [17:51:31] Are somebody connected? [17:52:57] botsnack [17:53:12] There aren't any help-bot [17:53:29] !help | dp07Daniel [17:53:29] dp07Daniel: There are a lot of topics you could be asking about. Besides, this bot is mostly for experienced users to quickly answer common questions. Please just ask your question and wait patiently, as the best person to answer your question may be away for a few minutes or longer. If you're looking for help pages, we moved that to !helpfor. [17:54:28] Thanks Vulpix. [17:56:30] Sorry for the inconvenience. I recently upgraded my wiki from 1.19 to 1.23.1 [17:56:30] Since the update, I never was able to upload content to the wiki, I only get the Error # 403 [17:56:55] dp07Daniel: my first guess would be a problem with file permissions [17:56:59] !filepermissions [17:56:59] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Check_directory_security [17:58:07] Oh! One possible solution. I will start to read. [17:58:12] Thank you so much [17:58:25] dp07Daniel: what do you mean exactly by "uploading content"? uploading files? saving edits? or just editing any page? [17:59:03] Saving edits [17:59:17] Starting a new page from a red link [17:59:50] Well, with short texts, works (no more than 5 words) [18:00:05] it may be a mod_security issue [18:00:22] With long texts, for example more than 10 words = Error 403 [18:00:45] !mod_security dp07Daniel [18:00:50] =S [18:02:06] dp07Daniel: mod_security is an extension of the webserver that blocks some potentially dangerous/spam content submitted through forms [18:02:25] Oh! One detail more: The Format buttons, disappear. [18:02:30] it usually defines a list of blacklisted words that will block, forcing a HTTP 403 response [18:03:43] Oh! For example: Module SimpleAntiSpam [18:03:45] Or similar. [18:03:56] no, that's not a MediaWiki extension [18:04:25] MediaWiki extensions will usually display an error message inside the normal skin [18:05:16] Vulpix, hablas espa�ol? [18:05:20] sí [18:05:41] Huis, con lo que me cuesta usar el google translator para escribir en ingl�s. [18:05:43] Jajaja [18:06:07] dp07Daniel: para no molestar a los que no entienden español, habla en #mediawiki-es [18:06:08] Debo buscar entonces como comprobar el estado del mod_security en google. [18:06:19] Ok. [18:06:37] is there a decent guide on locking down a wiki [18:06:42] the ACL stuff is confusing w/ groups [18:06:56] got hit hard by smallers last night, cleanup was fun... [18:07:02] spammers* lol [18:07:37] figured I need to add a captcha on registration and only email confirmed users can post [18:07:45] or edit.. [18:08:08] !spam | ReadError [18:08:08] ReadError: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see and . [18:09:31] thank goodness for phpmyadmin, made quick work of it [18:11:56] phpmyadmin? :( [18:12:08] don't mess with the database unless you know what are you doing! [18:12:33] I couldnt find a decent way to purge all entries of them through the web interface [18:12:41] I did however backup the database prior to making any changes [18:12:51] !e Nuke | ReadError [18:12:51] ReadError: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke_ [18:13:08] ahhhh, see I dont know about all these fun extensions yet ;) [18:17:54] Hello? [18:18:09] Johanna_: hi, what's up¿ [18:18:29] Hi Vulpix! I've got a very special question [18:18:43] I want to create a family tree in my mediawiki [18:18:48] I'm really a beginner [18:19:15] and I tried to use a code sample which I found in wikipedia [18:19:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Family_tree [18:19:40] but unfortunately it won't work in mediawiki [18:19:48] !wptemplates | Johanna_ [18:19:48] Johanna_: To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension, Scribunto extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css. You'll also need a lot of... [18:20:11] okay, there's a lot to learn, I guess [18:20:25] thanks for the hints! :) [18:21:58] Johanna_: re-using stuff from wikipedia is usually not the simplest or best way to get things done [18:22:30] templates on wikipedia are old and crufty. they have grown over generations of code changes and user churn. [18:22:53] it's often easier to learn to write your own, rather than to understand the convoluted logic using on wikipedia :) [18:23:03] Ah, I understand, therefore it wouldn't work :( [18:23:13] a family tree diagram is probably better done in SVG directly, and uploaded as an image [18:23:31] but if it is an image, I can't modify it... [18:23:42] Vulpix: it's prettier, but not better. much harder to change later, harder to cooperate on. [18:23:48] also, harder to search, etc. [18:24:04] is there any good website you could recommend on which I could learn the "mediawiki code"? [18:24:19] !templates | Johanna_ [18:24:19] Johanna_: For more information about templates, see . See also: !templateproblems , !wptemplates [18:24:36] !wikitext | Johanna_ [18:24:37]