[00:00:29] <Chat-nel>	 hy
[00:00:55] <Chat-nel>	 does somebody know a little how works MediaWiki here ? :p
[00:02:15] <Chat-nel>	 I have a weird problem on my one wiki : every time I try to edit something I have an edition conflict ; does somebody can help me ?
[00:02:22] <Chat-nel>	 my own*
[00:03:37] <ori>	 Odd, I haven't encountered that before.
[00:03:55] <ori>	 Can you try using a different browser, or perhaps resetting your cache and cookies?
[00:04:06] <Chat-nel>	 I have the same result
[00:05:03] <RoanKattouw>	 Here's one common cause of that problem:
[00:05:05] <RoanKattouw>	 !session.save_path
[00:05:06] <wm-bot>	 make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[00:05:24] <RoanKattouw>	 (Other symptoms include not being able to stay logged in)
[00:05:32] <ori>	 maybe https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26821 ?
[00:05:46] <ori>	 roan's suggestion seems more likely
[00:06:11] <Chat-nel>	 I will check this, thank you
[00:11:53] <RichiH>	 is there a way to list all subpages? i.e. i have https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15 and want to list all subpages under DebConf15/
[00:12:23] <jeremyb>	 ohai RichiH
[00:12:51] <jackmcbarn>	 RichiH: Special:prefixindex
[00:13:08] <jeremyb>	 jackmcbarn, huh?
[00:13:26] <jackmcbarn>	 jeremyb: Special:prefixindex lets you list pages that start with something
[00:13:28] <jeremyb>	 did something change in ca-certificates? suddenly i seem to have problems with SPI domains
[00:13:35] <jackmcbarn>	 in this case, you'd wnt special:prefixindex/DebConf15/
[00:13:46] <jeremyb>	 jackmcbarn, well why did i misread what you wrote as special:preferences?
[00:13:53] <jeremyb>	 :(
[00:13:54] <Chat-nel>	 RoanKattouw_away, wm-bot : I have a weel-defined session.save_path, the directory is readable and writtable by php5. I can stay logged on my wiki until I close my browser or I click on the disconnect button
[00:13:55] <jackmcbarn>	 can't answer that :p
[00:14:06] <jeremyb>	 i guess i should read the changelog
[00:15:56] <RichiH>	 jeremyb: hi2u!
[00:16:13] <RichiH>	 jackmcbarn: thanks!
[00:16:16] <jackmcbarn>	 np
[00:17:30] * RichiH waves
[04:59:00] <sasan>	 hello, i limited the access to my wiki
[04:59:05] <sasan>	 please see
[04:59:12] <sasan>	 parsintelligent.com/wiki
[04:59:17] <sasan>	 please see the first page
[04:59:29] <sasan>	 i want to change this page title and text
[04:59:34] <sasan>	 what should i do?
[05:01:27] <sasan>	 could anybody saw the page and can help me?
[05:17:43] <Carmela>	 sasan: You can probably move the page.
[05:17:44] <Carmela>	 To rename it.
[05:17:49] <Carmela>	 Is there a "Move" tab on the page?
[05:17:54] <Carmela>	 It might be under an arrow icon.
[05:18:08] <Carmela>	 If you want to change text, click "edit".
[05:18:55] <sasan>	 move/
[05:18:56] <sasan>	 ?
[05:18:59] <sasan>	 no move?
[05:19:07] <sasan>	 i can not rename
[05:19:22] <sasan>	 <Carmela>: i can not rename
[05:19:53] <Carmela>	 Are you logged in?
[05:20:12] <sasan>	 i am logged in
[05:20:20] <sasan>	 no how can i change that page
[05:21:16] <sasan>	 how could i find that page and change it?
[05:21:17] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/?uselang=en
[05:21:31] <Carmela>	 You want to customize the error message?
[05:21:57] <Carmela>	 sasan: Are you trying to modify the message that logged-out users see?
[05:22:21] <sasan>	 how could i modify
[05:22:22] <sasan>	 ?
[05:22:25] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/?uselang=qqx
[05:22:30] <Carmela>	 sasan: Click that link. ^
[05:22:36] <Carmela>	 Do you see "(permissionserrors)".
[05:22:39] <Carmela>	 That's a message key.
[05:23:26] <sasan>	 no permission error
[05:23:29] <sasan>	 where is it?
[05:23:36] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Permissionserrors
[05:23:43] <Carmela>	 You can edit it there.
[05:23:48] <Carmela>	 Or maybe http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:permissionserrors/ar
[05:23:52] <Carmela>	 It's hard to say as I can't see your site.
[05:23:54] <Carmela>	 :-)
[05:24:10] <Carmela>	 Can you edit one of those pages?
[05:24:13] <Carmela>	 It should update the title.
[05:24:22] <sasan>	 if i add another tilte
[05:24:36] <sasan>	 then how could i modify its content?
[05:24:40] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction
[05:24:55] <Carmela>	 The content is probably there.
[05:25:07] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/?uselang=qqx exposes the message keys.
[05:25:18] <Carmela>	 The messages live in MediaWiki PHP source code.
[05:30:18] <sasan>	  <Carmela>: please see i changed now
[05:30:25] <sasan>	 but it show a line extra
[05:30:42] <sasan>	 this line is extra
[05:30:43] <sasan>	 عملی که درخواست کرده‌اید منحصر به کاربران این گروه‌ها است: مدیران، ordinary. 
[05:31:23] <Carmela>	 http://parsintelligent.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Badaccess-groups ?
[08:51:28] <peterwubble>	 Hello
[08:51:32] <peterwubble>	 I had a question
[08:51:36] <peterwubble>	 Is anyone willing to help?
[08:51:50] <peterwubble>	 I checked the documentation but it's not there
[08:54:12] <peterwubble>	 hello?
[09:27:43] <peterwubble>	 hello?
[09:34:38] <ReadError>	 peterwubble if you want help you should just ask the question
[09:34:45] <ReadError>	 nobody likes foreplay
[09:34:47] <peterwubble>	 okay
[09:34:52] <peterwubble>	 I have a wiki
[09:34:57] <peterwubble>	 but when I go to www.mysite/wiki
[09:35:01] <peterwubble>	 it goes into the directory
[09:35:10] <peterwubble>	 I want it to go to www.mysite/wiki/index.php
[09:35:18] <peterwubble>	 I tried .htaccess but it didn't work somehow
[09:35:21] <ReadError>	 thats an issue with your http server
[09:35:53] <ReadError>	 if you go to index.php does it load?
[09:37:33] <peterwubble>	 yes
[11:04:22] <Svetlana>	 http://dpaste.com/1XXG1TS I'm not sure what to even do -- dunno how to check networking or authentication configurations in a virtual machine; on the host, ssh port is 22, not 2222
[11:05:06] <saper>	 anything in VirtualBox logs?
[11:22:11] <Svetlana>	 saper: http://dpaste.com/1RFAYXT#wrap in logs of this vm -- no errors
[11:25:28] <saper>	 so the VM is running, Svetlana ?
[11:47:35] <Svetlana>	 saper: yes, in the virtualbox gui it also is running
[11:50:07] <saper>	 so it's only SSH problem?
[11:50:15] <saper>	 can you ping the VM from the host?
[11:52:50] <saper>	 Svetlana: one question, are you trying to run 64-bit Ubuntu guest on 32-bit virtualbox? it should not work afaik
[12:08:28] <Nemo_bis>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-mirror/html/dirs.html
[12:21:33] <Nemo_bis>	 sigh the "keep me logged in" checkbox drives me crazy
[12:21:55] <Nemo_bis>	 I think it's a nagging tool designed to punish those who get logged out
[12:26:02] <Svetlana>	 saper: how do I ping vm from the host?
[12:26:38] <Svetlana>	 saper: my computer is 32bit so maybe - do I need a 64bit computer to run vagrant?
[12:26:48] <Svetlana>	 :|
[12:27:05] <saper>	 ... to run 64bit VM guest
[12:27:18] <saper>	 is your computer 32bit or just your operating system?
[12:28:18] <saper>	 you seem to have Intel Xeon X5482 3.20GHz
[12:28:35] <Svetlana>	 my computer
[12:28:38] <Svetlana>	 I think
[12:28:52] <Svetlana>	 I don't know. 3.20 is not my computer, it's something else
[12:29:07] <Svetlana>	 my hardware is Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8300  @ 2.40GHz
[12:30:23] <saper>	 it's a 64 bit processor. Are you running 32-bit operating system?
[12:33:33] <Svetlana>	 ...wow. :o
[12:33:40] <Svetlana>	 yes I think I am...
[12:37:20] <tycron>	 Hello, I am having an issue with the installation of mediawiki 1.23.3 and Postgresql 9.3
[12:37:47] <tycron>	 i get error "Tables creation failed. Make sure that the user "wikiuser" can write to the schema"
[12:38:04] <petan>	 tycron: no wonder, postgre doesn't really work very much with mediawiki... but it could help if you provided some more details :P
[12:38:35] <Svetlana>	 saper: if you could enlighten me why you think it's 64bit I'll be quite excited
[12:38:44] <tycron>	 np, what do you need to know?
[12:38:52] <petan>	 ok tycron, are you sure that this user is able to write there?
[12:39:01] <petan>	 maybe it's just privilege thing
[12:39:18] <saper>	 Svetlana: your CPU is 64 bit, like I think all Core 2 Duos. You are just running 32-bit ("i386", "i686") OS
[12:39:35] <saper>	 Svetlana: are you on Linux/unix? what does your "uname -a" say?
[12:39:46] <Svetlana>	 that'd be surprising so I think I need some means to make sure that the hardware actually is 64bit
[12:39:59] <Svetlana>	 Linux localhost 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:40:16] <Svetlana>	 I did install an OS myself and I did assume that the CPU is 32bit back then
[12:40:24] <tycron>	 dunno, I followed the guide at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki
[12:40:34] <tycron>	 creating user and db etc...
[12:41:24] <tycron>	 in any case, the information there must either be insufficient or wrong
[12:41:53] <tycron>	 or i missed something :P
[12:42:36] <tycron>	 I enabled verbose logging for postgresql - I am seing this..
[12:42:46] <tycron>	 2014-09-03 14:29:36 CEST LOG:  statement: SELECT /* DatabasePostgres::schemaExists 192.168.30.115 */  1  FROM "pg_catalog"."pg_namespace"   WHERE nspname = ''  LIMIT 1
[12:42:52] <petan>	 Svetlana: what is output of cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:42:54] <tycron>	 2014-09-03 14:29:36 CEST ERROR:  zero-length delimited identifier at or near """" at character 56
[12:43:27] <Svetlana>	 petan: http://dpaste.com/0PJ64VC#wrap
[12:43:29] <saper>	 Svetlana: it's 64 bit, I made the same mistake few years ago on my first Core 2 Duo, but reinstalled quickly.
[12:43:52] <petan>	 yes that is 64 bit
[12:44:26] <Svetlana>	 thanks saper, petan, you're wonderful (and I'll remember this day for many years ahead)
[12:44:45] <Svetlana>	 on a more realistic note, vagrant does require 64bit host os, right?
[12:48:41] <saper>	 Svetlana: our VM images are using 64-bit OS, quite unnecessarily :) but I think vagrant should possibly run 32bit images, why not.
[12:49:00] <Svetlana>	 check its talk page -- its image /does/ have to be 64bit
[12:49:32] <Reedy>	 https://www.vagrantup.com/downloads.html
[12:49:37] <Reedy>	 32bit and 64bit for each ;)
[12:49:44] <Svetlana>	 talkpage of mediawiki vagrant I mean
[12:49:56] <Svetlana>	 they said that mediawiki's vagrant image includes some 64bit packages
[12:50:36] <Reedy>	 it's rare things only have 64bit packages
[12:51:38] <Reedy>	 I guess part of it is there being no 32bit ubuntu server anymore etc
[12:51:44] <Svetlana>	 and when I edit virtualmachine's settings such as whether it's 64bit, 'vagrant up' overwrites my changes
[12:52:07] * saper is back into 32bit mode, working on i386 XEN paravirtualisation
[12:54:57] <saper>	 vagrant's job is to be punitive
[16:15:28] <sinix>	 I'm still working on getting Typekit to work in my wiki - can anyone tell me how I can call an external js file, one that requires a http:// adddress?
[16:44:01] <baxi>	 Hi @all
[16:44:43] <baxi>	 Is there a list with all tags used in MW and extensions? I want to find a new tag-name for <tooltip>, cause it's used double...
[17:07:43] <Stereo>	 Hi everyone
[17:10:40] <Stereo>	 I inherited an old mediawiki and upgraded some extensions, now I'm getting a blank page.
[17:10:57] <Stereo>	 I've tried the suggestions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page and can't find any errors
[17:11:17] <Stereo>	 The web server returns a 200 or a 500 code depending on the page
[17:11:50] <Stereo>	 Actually just 200
[17:19:50] <sinix>	 have you turned on debugging?
[17:20:15] <sinix>	 in the top of LocalSettings.php, put: 
[17:20:30] <sinix>	 ini_set('display_errors', 1);
[17:20:40] <sinix>	 error_reporting(~0);
[17:21:05] <sinix>	 then when you reload a page, it should tell you what's happening
[17:22:49] <Stereo>	 sinix: yes, still nothing. Looks like it's related to the semanticmediawiki extension
[17:55:15] <Darkdadaah>	 Hi, does anyone know about background-image embedding in css? I can't seem to make it work.
[17:55:27] <MatmaRex>	 yes
[17:55:36] <MatmaRex>	 how does it not work?
[17:56:27] <Darkdadaah>	 I put /* @embed */ before background-image, but it doesn't seem to change the css file.
[17:57:06] <Darkdadaah>	 This is the page: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[18:01:42] <Darkdadaah>	 For example, the page https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fenouillards still has all the images as separate files.
[18:02:30] <MatmaRex>	 Darkdadaah: i'm afraid it doesn't work for URLs :( there's a bug for that
[18:03:15] <MatmaRex>	 Darkdadaah: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40832
[18:04:09] <MatmaRex>	 Darkdadaah: allowing arbitrary embedding might have security implications, and it's not trivial to whitelist things that are safe
[18:04:21] <MatmaRex>	 Darkdadaah: it definitely can be implemented, but no one has done it yet :(
[18:05:10] <csteipp>	 Background images that reference a url aren't allowed. Embedded ones should be, iirc.
[18:05:34] <Darkdadaah>	 MatmaRex: Oooh I see now; thanks for the link and the explaination!
[18:08:42] <Darkdadaah>	 Then I think I'll try to directly encode the images...
[18:17:45] <Darkdadaah>	 Yup, embedded does work!
[22:03:44] <saper>	 Svetlana: :) got your dev environment running?
[22:07:23] <jorm>	 Is Svetlana == Gryllida ? or another of Max's names?
[22:10:05] <MatmaRex>	 jorm: yes
[22:10:15] <MatmaRex>	 Carmela's still Carmela.
[22:28:53] <Svetlana>	 jorm: Hi. I'm Gryllida, yes. I got the virtualisation enabled but folks here helpfully pointed out that I'm running a 32bit OS on a 64bit processor, by mistake. I hadn't looked closely but from reading the last section at its talk page I think that running Vagrant requires a 64bit host OS.
[22:29:21] <Svetlana>	 saper: ^^
[22:31:52] <bd808>	 Virtualbox needs VT-x to run a 64-bit guest. I'm not 100% sure if you need a 64-bit host OS but that may additionally be the case
[22:32:32] <bd808>	 MediaWiki-Vagrant specfies a 64-bit guest to match WFM prod for custom compiled packages
[22:33:00] <bd808>	 *WMF
[22:33:39] <Svetlana>	 Yup.
[22:34:32] <bd808>	 VT-x is a hardware thing that is usually enabled via a bios setting.
[22:34:57] <bd808>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_virtualization_.28VT-x.29
[22:34:59] <Svetlana>	 it took me a visit to ##hardware to figure that out (they helpfully suggested that it's a cpu thing)
[22:36:25] <Svetlana>	 so I enabled it and got past that problem but when I start vagrant it says http://dpaste.com/1XXG1TS, I need to try to ping the vm from the host and saper said that running 64bit guest on 32bit os might fail just because of that :-)
[22:37:37] <bd808>	 That's lame. :( I hate it when Virtualbox is the point of failure. It's hard to debug.
[22:38:20] <saper>	 virtualbox != qemu
[22:38:30] <saper>	 it does not emulate what the host CPU can't do
[22:38:47] * bd808 nods
[22:39:06] <saper>	 Svetlana: I think your VT-x was enabled fine, that was in your VBox log before
[22:39:23] <bd808>	 There is a kvm/qemu provider plugin for Vagrant but I've never tired it anywhere
[22:40:11] <bd808>	 Adding support for a new provider (virtualization container) is sometimes easy but sometimes not
[22:40:53] <bd808>	 The qemu plugin is at https://github.com/adrahon/vagrant-kvm
[22:42:32] <bd808>	 Using it with MediaWiki-Vagrant might be as easy as installing the plugin and then adding a provider config block to specify a Ubuntu 14.04 base image that works with qemu
[22:42:41] <bd808>	 Emphasis on *might be*
[22:43:26] <bd808>	 There were a few other things we had to fix to make vmware fusion work as a provider but not too many as I recall.
[22:44:04] <bd808>	 Mostly adding things to the puppet config to install packages and make dirs that our "normal" base image contained and we relied on in a previously unspecified way.
[22:45:38] <saper>	 https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#intro-64bitguests
[22:45:51] <saper>	 ShouldWork(tm)
[22:47:46] <saper>	 so I was wrong
[22:48:38] <saper>	 Svetlana: does linux boot on the VGA console?
[23:02:47] <Svetlana>	 dunno, how do I check? I'll be at home in about 8 hours so I can only take note and check later :)
[23:04:12] <saper>	 ok
[23:04:26] <saper>	 in 8 hours I should be back awake
[23:44:17] <smoss>	 Hello
[23:45:09] <smoss>	 I need some help if that have encounter this "
[23:45:18] <smoss>	 I need some help if that have encounter this " Fatal error: Class 'SkinFactory' not found in /home/lcars/public_html/skins/Vector/Vector.php on line 41"
[23:48:33] <Quasar`>	 I wrote a changeEmail maintenance script, any advice or comments before I run it blindly? http://pastie.org/9525443  
[23:49:28] <MatmaRex>	 smoss: it seems that you installed an incompatible version of the Vector skin
[23:50:00] <MatmaRex>	 smoss: or, actually, you probably want to upgrade mediawiki/core to latest master :) (seems like you're running older master)
[23:50:24] <smoss>	 MatmaRex: I downloaded it from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[23:51:16] <MatmaRex>	 smoss: if you're running a release version of MediaWiki, you don't need to do that, the Vector skin should be bundled
[23:51:30] <MatmaRex>	 smoss: if you're running it from git, update it (`git pull`)
[23:52:31] <Reedy>	 Quasar`: It looks sane...
[23:53:03] <Reedy>	 Quasar`: FYI very similar to what we actually do in production via eval.php https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_reset
[23:53:22] <Reedy>	 Quasar`: Probably worth committing it
[23:53:40] <Reedy>	 Only difference would be un-authenticating the email address
[23:58:12] <Quasar`>	 I'll give it a shot then.