[00:35:32] w [06:23:36] hello, i need to have parent link in each page of my wiki [06:23:40] how could i do that? [06:24:15] parent* [06:25:33] could you help me? [06:34:18] could anybody help me? [06:59:08] Hello, I have what may be a strange question, but here it goes: I am taking over administration of a small MediaWiki for the IT help desk. It is fairly outdated (was running 1.15), and I am looking to add useful extensions to the database [06:59:57] However, the database is currently in active use, and cannot be taken down. I am hoping to create a second "wiki" which points to the same MySQL database, but with different setting, extensions, etc. [07:00:55] I attempted to duplicate the mediawiki folder on the server, and add additional aliases to the apache.conf file, but the "alternate" wiki does not load [07:01:07] At this point I am stuck [07:01:17] jomaxro: how big is this wiki? [07:01:28] define big? [07:01:49] Rephrased: how many pages does the wiki have [07:02:15] Approx. 150 [07:02:37] O_O you're probably making it more complex that it is then [07:02:49] It seems that way [07:03:00] I figured I was over complicating things [07:03:36] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Can_my_wiki_stay_online_while_it_is_upgrading.3F [07:03:56] Nemo_bis, the wiki has been updated already [07:04:01] I followed that exact guide [07:04:17] If you have the files on the server the code might be in an inconsistent state for a few seconds, time is in the database schema updates [07:04:36] Which wiki, the original or the alternate? :) [07:04:56] The original wiki is running 1.23.3, and works fine [07:05:08] The "alternate" wont load [07:05:26] I get "URL not found" [07:05:47] I am not sure if it is an Apache issue? [07:06:24] The server is a small desktop in the Help Desk (student run at University). It has been patched together by students for many years [07:06:34] Ok, I misunderstood, you want to make a test wiki, not to upgrade; no idea then [07:06:48] Nemo_bis, exactly [07:07:10] Thank you for trying! [07:16:53] i want to have parent link in my wiki page [07:23:13] could any body understand my question? [07:25:02] jomaxro: Your URL not found errors sound like an Apache issue... sorted those yet? [07:25:18] No [07:25:45] I am not too familiar with Apache, unfortunately. The "main" (original) wiki works just fine [07:25:58] Would you mind pastebinning both configs? [07:26:08] Sure [07:26:15] what is "both" [07:26:25] There is only one apache config file [07:26:38] Ah, well pastebin that then :) [07:26:43] OK [07:26:45] One sec [07:27:15] By both I was referring to if you had your configs for wikis in seperate files in the sites-enabled folder. [07:27:45] http://pastebin.com/puwCh5H1 [07:28:02] No, I do not believe so [07:28:26] That is the Apaceh.conf from /etc/mediawiki [07:28:36] Let me check the sites-enabled folder [07:29:17] Are you running MediaWiki from the tarball or a package? [07:29:24] In the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled folder, there are 2 files, 000-default, and print.conf [07:29:32] : could you answer my question also [07:29:55] I can't tell you originally, but I updated to 1.23.3 from a tarball [07:30:57] sasan, I don't know how to answer your question, sorry [07:31:09] I am currently trying to fix an issue myself [07:31:21] Have a look at the permissions on both sets of files? And I assume you've reloaded/restarted your apache since you added those lines? [07:31:47] One sec on permissions, yes, apache restarted [07:32:18] on both files in sites-enabled, lrwxrwxrwx [07:32:54] on apache in mediawiki, -rw-r--r-- [07:32:59] On your MW files (/var/lib/mediawiki & /var/lib/mediawiki_test) [07:33:09] oh, one sec [07:34:35] permissions appear identical, only difference appears to be owner [07:35:46] all files are -rw-r--r-- [07:35:59] all folders are drwxr-xr-x [07:36:22] Who are the two owners? [07:36:37] on original, 997, on testing, root [07:36:48] group is different as well [07:36:53] on original, tomalexander [07:36:58] on testing, root [07:41:01] Try changing the owner/group on testing to whatever user apache's child processes are running under? [07:41:31] how would I look up apache's child processes owner/group? [07:43:22] It should be in your apache2.conf or httpd.conf or come from envvars file (dependant on distribution/version etc) [07:43:40] no body can help me?/ [07:44:30] sasan: Do you mean parent page because you have subpages? [07:44:45] yes [07:44:54] i want to have parent link [07:45:08] when i click on this, wiki goes to last page [07:46:02] Have a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages [07:46:05] Lcawte, the current owner/group is User ${APACHE_RUN_USER} Group ${APACHE_RUN_GROUP} [07:46:27] Not sure where to locate APACHE_RUN_USER/GROUP [07:46:31] jomaxro: Check the envvars file, look for a line like export APACHE_RUN_USER= [07:46:50] ah, found it [07:46:53] www-data [07:48:40] to change owner/group, I would do chown www-data:www-data /path/to/file? [07:49:53] Lcawte, is that correct? [07:52:46] Lcawte, okay, owner/group changed [07:55:41] jomaxro: You probably want to run that over the entire directory recursively, (chown www-data:www-data /var/lib/mediawiki_test -R) [07:57:03] I did [07:57:10] I pulled up the chown man page [07:58:07] Any luck? [07:58:22] it changed the owner/group [07:58:31] But no, the wiki still does not load [07:58:53] Same error? [07:58:53] : you mean if i add [07:59:00] : you mean if i add [07:59:01] # Enable subpages in the main namespace $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true; # Enable subpages in the template namespace $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_TEMPLATE] = true; # etc. [07:59:12] then i can have parent and child page? [07:59:18] do you have any example? [07:59:53] sasan: Not off the top of my head, no. [08:00:12] what? [08:02:42] whois jomaxro [08:04:54] ?? [08:35:57] Special:CreateAccount gets worse every day :( http://i.imgur.com/O8odG1v.png [08:37:16] Nemo_bis: what about it ? [08:38:19] what I just linked [08:38:44] If one doesn't see it, I'm not trying to convince :) [08:40:19] i'm thinking that perhaps you mean the size of the checkbox ? [08:41:17] and the absurd effect on its label [08:43:31] hmm, [08:43:43] i have to say, twe did not really test multiline labels... [08:57:28] Nemo_bis: did you file a ticket ? [08:58:52] no [09:00:20] Nemo_bis: can i upload your image ? [09:03:45] thedj: sure [09:09:14] Nemo_bis: ok, i jus found a weirder problem there :) [09:12:33] Nemo_bis: you did mean the fact that te label is not clear from the checkbox on the 2nd line right ? [09:15:48] thedj: there are several of weirdness [09:16:17] I don't feel having the energy/qualification/whatever to say more than "it's ugly", which is why I didn't file a bug :/ [10:08:50] hello [10:08:58] when i enter in my wiki [10:09:03] and add my account [10:09:25] registe in wiki [10:09:29] then it go to a page [10:09:34] you can see [10:09:55] parsintellgent.com/wiki [10:11:17] i want to change that page [10:11:21] how can i do that? [10:12:24] understand which page i mean? [10:12:45] it show that smtp can not develope [10:16:28] could you answer my question [10:16:29] ? [10:17:20] I've just joined this channel, I don't know about past conversation [10:18:23] if i registe in my wiki [10:18:31] parsintelligent.com/wiki [10:18:36] then i go to a page [10:18:49] i want to edit that page? [10:20:57] : understand what i mean? [10:21:27] I don't understand the "i want to edit that page" question [10:21:49] i want to edit that page content [10:21:54] change its content [10:21:59] its text [10:22:30] okay, and what's the problem? [10:23:15] i just want to edit that page, i should know, what is its page name [10:23:21] in order to edit its text [10:24:03] yes, you should know the page name to edit it [10:24:22] so what is its name [10:25:48] sasan: if you want to create a new page, you can choose whatever the name you want, but hopefully respecting the wiki's naming conventions (if the wiki has any) and common sense ;) [10:26:09] use the search function to locate existing pages, or go to [[Special:Allpages]] to see all pages of the wiki [10:26:18] could you please go to my wiki [10:26:25] www.parsintelligent.com/wiki [10:26:25] I'm there [10:26:30] and register [10:26:39] then you go to a page after registration [10:26:44] i wan to edit that page [10:27:47] hi all, somebody uses an extension FormMailer ??? [10:28:53] sasan: it's not a "page", it's an internal message. You can edit that message to show whatever content you want. Let me find the message name so you can edit it [10:28:54] : see that page? [10:29:08] yes, i want that [10:29:10] please send me [10:29:12] thanks:) [10:29:39] sasan: what I'm going to do is locate it in [[Special:Allmessages]]. Note that you can also get it using the same method [10:30:48] do you know exaclty the name? [10:30:55] sasan: the title of the page is [[MediaWiki:Welcomeuser]] and the text is in [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation-msg]] [10:34:12] i mean this text [10:34:13] فرستادن رایانامهٔ تأییدی ممکن نشد. نشانی رایانامه را از نظر وجود نویسه‌های نامعتبر بررسی کنید. پاسخ سامانه ارسال رایانامه: mail() has been disabled for security reasons حساب کاربری شما ایجاد شده است. فراموش نکنید که ترجیحات ویکی پارس خود را تغییر دهید. [10:34:20] i want to change this text [10:34:28] there is no where about this text [10:35:06] i just can change the header of message [10:36:32] Hi [10:36:34] : understand waht i mean? [10:36:44] i have set up a new wiki for my self [10:36:51] but i cannot edit its preferences [10:36:55] can someone help me with this? [10:37:24] sasan: that's an error message. I'm not sure what do you want. If mail can't be sent, you want to fix that problem, or just hide the fact that it can't send mails? [10:37:45] i want to change its content [10:37:52] how can i change its content [10:37:53] ? [10:38:05] i do not want to show this message [10:38:13] sasan: look at Special:Allmessages on your wiki and look until you find that text [10:38:18] or how could i fic is [10:38:29] I can't search that on your wiki because it's restricted [10:38:49] how could i fix that probelm? [10:39:07] could you help me to fix that problem? [10:39:39] sasan: you need to remove "mail" from disabled functions on PHP [10:39:52] in which php? [10:39:56] local setting.php? [10:40:19] sasan: in php.ini [10:40:44] sasan: if you're on a shared host you may not be able to change that. Ask your host technical support [10:41:26] you mean php.ini in my wiki folder? [10:42:15] sasan: php.ini is never found in the contents of your website [10:43:11] so how could i make it fixed? [10:43:48] sasan: contact your hosting technical support, but I guess you won't be able to fix that. Cheap hosts have such limitations [10:45:09] I cannot edit the preferences for a mediawiki i set up [10:45:12] they appear to be locked [10:45:17] can anyone help me with this? [10:52:13] parminds: apparently, they'll be disabled if the user doesn't have the "editmyoptions" right [10:52:51] have you fiddled around with group rights? (and this one in particular)? [10:53:35] i had edited group rights..yeah but i dont think the editmyoptions was one of them [10:53:52] i only disallowed access for anonymous users [10:55:20] : i have checked all [10:57:17] sasan: all the technical support officers? [10:58:12] i i have checked the message, [10:58:21] it show just the message [10:58:25] not contect [10:58:28] welcome user [10:58:31] is message [10:58:34] of a page [10:58:39] sasan: have you checked what I've said? [10:58:48] i have checked all message [10:59:01] i just find out message welcome user [10:59:17] i want to edit content [11:00:05] it is just message [11:00:08] not content [11:00:16] sasan: but you can't edit content if you require emailconfirm to edit and users can't confirm the email because your wiki can't send emails [11:00:32] you should fix the email first [11:00:46] if i do not want to send email and check it [11:00:49] what should i do? [11:03:08] be sure you have $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true; [11:03:46] i do not wan user to edit [11:03:58] i just want not to check email [11:04:02] or edit that page [11:05:36] sasan: set $wgEnableEmail = false; so it doesn't try to send emails [11:06:04] Thanks, let me check [11:10:26] : i have our smtp and pop3 [11:10:29] and email [11:10:46] i asked my host techncial, he tld me in wiki i should set smtp [11:10:53] in where i should i add this [11:12:30] sasan: PHP mail() function is disabled on your server [11:12:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP [11:12:41] please see this [11:13:01] PHP mail is on my server? [11:13:05] are you sure ? [11:13:37] sasan: yes, did you read your MediaWiki error message when creating accounts? [11:13:45] yes [11:13:59] it says "mail() has been disabled for security reasons" in plain english :) [11:14:17] yes [11:14:21] i know, i asked [11:14:26] how could i enable it? [11:14:28] a solution [11:14:43] you can't. That's something your host should do [11:15:01] if they don't want to do that, go for a better hosting [11:16:16] dear, in our website, when a guy enter and register, it send out email [11:16:20] so it is active [11:16:24] just wiki can not do [11:16:49] understand what i mean? [11:17:35] yes, and do you understand that mail() is disabled? [11:18:07] yes, wiki told me that it is disable, [11:18:15] but i wanto to enable through wiki [11:18:27] if smtp has problem, [11:18:29] it's a function disabled on the server [11:18:45] it is activated by default in wiki? [11:18:51] i want to be sure [11:18:59] that it is actiate in wiki [11:19:06] in local setting [11:19:17] i should add some thing to active [11:20:03] sasan: feel free to read the docs about settings there https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_settings [11:31:08] i have these in local setting [11:31:11] 1) $wgEnableEmail = true; [11:31:21] 2) $wgEnableUserEmail = true; [11:31:36] 3) UPO $wgEmailAuthentication = true; [11:31:50] just these 3 [11:31:54] are they enough [11:31:55] ? [11:32:51] enought for what? for enabling PHP mail() function? no, obviously [11:33:18] in there any thing i should add in localsetting.php [11:33:19] ? [11:36:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP [11:37:00] please see this one [11:38:02] if i add these [11:38:03] $wgSMTP = array( 'host' => 'ssl://smtp.gmail.com', 'IDHost' => 'gmail.com', 'port' => 465, 'username' => 'yourEmailAccount@gmail.com', 'password' => 'yourEmailPassword', 'auth' => true ); [11:38:06] it is enough? [11:43:53] now it show me this error [11:43:54] [978b1c69] 2014-09-08 11:43:31: Fatal exception of type MWException [11:44:34] !debug [11:44:34] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [11:44:56] Did you add "UPO $wgEmailAuthentication = true;"? [11:45:05] (with the UPO) [11:45:12] I guess that wouldn't exception though [11:45:40] yes, localsetting has [11:45:45] $wgEmailAuthentication=true [11:46:32] Did you include a trailing ";"? [11:46:45] Carmela: It wouldn't exception if he hadn't [11:47:06] what? [11:47:17] Reedy: If you say so! [11:47:24] TIAS? [12:11:56] : what should i do with ut? [12:12:07] [978b1c69] 2014-09-08 11:43:31: Fatal exception of type MWException [12:15:50] sasan: $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; [12:16:32] you mean i add this to my wiki? [12:17:07] no, you add that to your LocalSettings.php [12:19:10] please see [12:19:10] [74fbf4ef] /wiki/index.php?title=%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%98%D9%87:%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF_%D8%A8%D9%87_%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87&action=submitlogin&type=signup Exception from line 304 of /home/parsinte/public_html/wiki/includes/UserMailer.php: PEAR mail package is not installed Backtrace: #0 /home/parsinte/public_html/wiki/includes/User.php(3885): UserMailer::send(MailAddress, MailAddress, string, string, NULL) #1 /home/parsinte [12:19:18] it show error [12:19:25] please asner [12:19:42] sasan: "PEAR mail package is not installed" is pretty clear to me [12:19:51] Your server isn't setup correctly to send email [12:21:11] how could i install pear email? [12:21:56] !lmgtfy install pear mail | sasan [12:21:56] sasan: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+pear+mail+ [12:22:56] it is software, i should install? [12:50:17] Hi! Is there any info how Wikimedia is doing load balancing for their top sites like enwiki, dewiki? [12:50:53] I remember there was some pages about infrastructure with technical details some years ago but cannot find these right now. [12:51:39] QuestPC: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Load_balancing [12:51:41] Does it use Varnish load balancer or something else? [12:51:56] Vulpix: thanks, I'll check it out [12:53:24] It's no different for it's small sites or the small sites [12:53:36] or the large ones [13:04:06] Reedy: I see. Common infrastructure. [13:21:40] hi all, in MediaWiki can paste information in the article from the database? [13:22:16] maybe some extension? [13:23:52] What exactly are you looking for? I don't understand. [13:25:36] in article paste information from db mysql [13:26:55] evg_zv: to display information from a database in an article, yes, you'll need to create an extension for that [13:29:11] there is not ready solution? [13:30:25] evg_zv: no, because it would largely depend on how is your data structured, how do you want to display it, where, etc [13:31:37] thank you [13:31:43] evg_zv: Depending on what kind of data you're trying to display and where and why it might be better to look into something like SMW (le gasp). But we can't really say without a clearer explanation. [14:50:03] VMAN? http://www.cloudways.com/en/managed-mediawiki-cloud-hosting.php [14:53:07] with enough money you can have the fastest MediaWiki hosting [14:56:40] Vulpix: definetly not the fastest wordpress though... [15:02:30] gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah where did shared.css go. [15:02:47] I mean, I know where it is, but what is the right practice now? [15:03:21] It's under mediawiki.legacy, and this name hints that it will be deprecated Some Day, [15:03:30] but it has all the important ltr/rtl classes. [15:03:55] No MatmaRex... [15:04:32] yes Reedy , the first thing I did was writing "mat" and pressing Tab, and it didn't have Matmarex [15:05:04] the main question is - what's the right practice for modifying it or adding more global directionality-related rules. [15:05:24] I've honestly no idea :( [15:05:30] modifying a file under a directory named with the word "legacy" in it feels weird. [15:05:55] Seems like a bug 1 issue at least [15:06:17] I guess bugfixes are ok, but I can certainly see what you mean about adding new ones there [15:06:55] aharoni: slowly, stuff is being split out according to interface vs. content and common vs skins. When i doubt, ask MatmaRex :) [15:07:26] I guess I will modify it and invite Matmarex to review. [15:07:36] seems simplest [16:00:58] jeremyb: any progress in projection discussion with ori? [16:01:11] *project [16:06:41] ori: please can you explain me about dataset for "wikimedia performance portal" [16:12:21] Hello everyone! [16:13:11] Question: Is there an Android client that can connect to a self-hosted mediawiki install, that has similar edit functionality like the Wikimedia client has? I did some searching but couldn't find anything. [16:33:57] Hey, do you guys know if there's a good way to include a certain snippet of information at the top of every Talk Page? [16:34:52] I have a talk page tutorial template that I've been adding to the top of every talk page that discussions spark up, but really it should be at the top of every page. I guess I could use a bot, but I didn't know if there was something quicker. [16:35:08] You could use a gadget [16:35:33] Or maybe there's a way to add text to the top of every page in a namespace... [16:37:12] Yeah, I've thought about using one of these discussion page extensions to just make the entire thing look better, but I can't remember what stopped me. [16:37:30] The one they use on mediawiki.org is exceptionally nice, but I couldn't get it working. [16:41:46] You know what else I -really- like about mediawiki.org but I can't seem to get working? VisualEditor. [17:19:58] moliver: there's an Extension:PageNotice [17:20:24] I think the version in gerrit is a bit old, but there are open patches to modernize it [17:39:34] ori: need details of dataset for "wikimedia performance portal" [18:18:48] MatmaRex: Good evening. [18:18:57] Thanks for the merge. [18:19:19] I was looking for you earlier. [18:19:52] Is there any email or wiki page or blog post or something that explains about the legacy-ness of shared.css and best practices with regards to it? [18:20:48] dunno. maybe, let's search [18:21:39] aharoni: the gist, as i understand it, is that all mediawiki.legacy.* modules should, in the future, be killed; and their contents should be split (or merged) into more specific modules [18:22:01] That much I can guess from the name. [18:22:05] we've already gotten read of quite a few, most recently mediawiki.legacy.wikiprintable and mediawiki.legacy.upload [18:22:06] :) [18:22:40] mw-content-ltr is rather fundamental [18:22:46] aharoni: there is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Legacy_JavaScript , but it's for JS only [18:22:59] but I don't think that it should be something like bidi.css. [18:23:08] rather something like content.css [18:24:10] aharoni: yes, such basic things should probably be moved to mediawiki.skinning.elements [18:25:03] aharoni: there is a nice explanation comment about mediawiki.skinning.* in Resources.php, these three modules are a replacement for shared.css, i think [18:26:57] but replacing it entirely will probably be a somewhat major backwards-incompatible change (for custom mediawiki skins) [18:27:17] shared.css appears to be entirely undocumented, with hardly any mentions on mediawiki.org… :) [18:35:22] It's like common.css for the whole software package. [18:35:39] "I don't know where to put that class, but it's useful in a lot of places, so I'll just put it there." [18:36:20] And that's really what my question is about - whether there's any better practice. [18:39:02] yeah [18:39:31] aharoni: if you're fixing something that's displayed in a particular place, such as on one special page, there is usually already a RL module associated with it [18:39:44] Yeah, that's well known. [18:40:14] yeah, so just use that. i'm not aware of any better practices [18:40:19] But mw-userlink is used in a bunch of places, and by its name it's supposed to be _shared_ in some way. [18:40:35] just mw, no other qualifiers, and a rather generic name. [18:41:13] So you would think that it's something common, or shared, or whatever, but I am not aware of any documentation that makes it clear what the best practice is. [18:41:24] indeed, and legacy.shared is loaded everywhere, with no way to prevent it even [18:41:46] mediawiki.skinning.* modules are also loaded everywhere, but only in skins which explicitly load them [18:42:04] (which in practice is basically all skins, but technically it may not be loaded) [18:42:40] so, legacy.shared is probably the best place for styles for very common things for now [18:56:17] exploreshaifali: no, sorry, i've been offline for a while [18:57:31] jeremyb: no worries. first we want dataset and its details to out our hands in this project [18:58:19] *to put our hands [19:20:51] <__djo__> I have a weird issue on my MediaWiki installation. No URL rewriting or anything, just the standard install. When I create a wikilink (so it's redlinked) and create a new page by clicking on it, the red link persists even after the page is created. So after creating a page called AAD, the URL still shows as this on the linking page: http://site-location/mediawiki/index.php?title=AAD&action=edit&redlink=1 [19:21:02] <__djo__> After a few days some of the links fixed themselves, but the others have not. [19:21:06] <__djo__> Any idea what I'm doing wrong? [19:22:12] __djo__: can you give a link to a page that has this problem? [19:23:26] <__djo__> DanielK_WMDE: It's a private wiki, but let me open up access quick. [19:26:14] it may be a cache issue, or because of the job queue [19:27:25] <__djo__> DanielK_WMDE: Ok, I don't know how to open it up. So I created a new user, support/support01. URL is http://178.62.37.243/mediawiki/ [19:30:14] __djo__, it's job queue [19:30:35] <__djo__> How do I check the job queue and how do I speed it up? [19:31:32]