[01:13:11] <jackmcbarn>	 JeroenDeDauw: why does the Extension:Maps readme say you need to run update.php for some features, but the extension's page on mediawiki.org says no database changes?
[04:33:36] <Nemo_bis>	 hurray https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit/Project_ownership&diff=0&oldid=1135837
[04:35:50] <legoktm>	 :D
[06:00:27] <wikimaster>	 hi
[06:02:37] <wikimaster>	 i want to know wiki from seo persepective
[06:02:54] <wikimaster>	 is there any extesnion for that ?
[07:28:40] <tlund>	 wikimaster: I think you need to explain a bit more in detail what your question is
[08:19:12] <sasan>	 helli
[08:19:25] <sasan>	 our host provider installed pear mail package 
[08:19:28] <sasan>	 on my host 
[08:21:15] <saper>	 sasan: that's good, isn't it?
[08:25:38] <sasan>	 <saper> i have add this
[08:25:52] <sasan>	 set_include_path('/path/to/pear/') require_once('Mail.php')
[08:25:59] <sasan>	 ubut tit did not work
[08:28:47] <sasan>	 <saper> : i have add this
[08:28:55] <sasan>	 set_include_path('/path/to/pear/') require_once('Mail.php')
[08:29:03] <sasan>	 to php.ini
[08:29:08] <sasan>	 but it did not work
[08:29:44] <Vulpix>	 that's not a valid syntax for php.ini
[08:30:56] <sasan>	  <Vulpix> i have found it
[08:31:01] <sasan>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10956751/php-pear-mail-include-path
[08:31:10] <sasan>	 you could check
[08:31:25] <Vulpix>	 it doesn't mention php.ini
[08:31:48] <sasan>	 please see answer
[08:31:55] <sasan>	 could you help me
[08:31:55] <sasan>	 ?
[08:31:57] <sasan>	 i aslo
[08:31:59] <sasan>	 set_include_path( '/home/php' . PATH_SEPARATOR . get_include_path() );
[08:32:07] <Vulpix>	 well, but it doesn't mention you should use the *same* syntax
[08:32:07] <sasan>	 in localsetting.php
[08:32:11] <Vulpix>	 php.ini is not PHP
[08:32:25] <sasan>	 i use the format in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/PEAR_not_detected
[08:32:28] <sasan>	 in localsetting.php
[08:32:31] <sasan>	 but sam
[08:32:33] <sasan>	 e
[08:32:35] <sasan>	 error
[08:33:30] <Vulpix>	 well, that would only work if your pear and pear_mail installation is on /home/php
[08:33:42] <Vulpix>	 if not, that wouldn't work
[08:33:51] <sasan>	 so what should i do?
[08:33:52] <sasan>	 now
[08:34:00] <sasan>	 could you help me ,vulpix>
[08:34:01] <sasan>	 ?
[08:34:34] <Vulpix>	 replace /home/php with the actual path of your pear installation?
[08:34:51] <sasan>	 i am in cpanle 
[08:35:01] <sasan>	 i can see pear mail package in software
[08:35:37] <sasan>	 you mean this
[08:35:38] <sasan>	 Location of Your PHP Extension(s) and Application(s)   Path: /home/parsinte/php 
[08:35:51] <sasan>	 i should replace it with /home/parsinte/php 
[08:35:53] <sasan>	 yes?
[08:36:39] <Vulpix>	 probably, only you know if that path is correct
[08:38:54] <sasan>	 <vulpix> again show me
[08:38:56] <sasan>	 that erro
[08:39:04] <sasan>	 pear mail package is not installed
[08:42:07] <Vulpix>	 sasan: is a file named "mail.php" on /home/parsinte/php ?
[08:42:09] <sasan>	 <vulpix> i could not find its directory
[08:42:37] <Vulpix>	 where did you installed pear?
[08:43:04] <sasan>	 i asked provide to install it
[08:48:46] <sasan>	 <Vulpix>: in my temp folder
[08:48:53] <sasan>	 i can see folder called pear
[08:49:01] <sasan>	 is it that one, which you asked?
[08:49:47] <Vulpix>	 I doubt a tmp folder could be a place for any installation
[08:50:00] <sasan>	 but i just can find that folder
[08:50:06] <sasan>	 could you please remote
[08:50:09] <Vulpix>	 well, look at it if you can find a file called mail.php
[08:50:13] <sasan>	 if it is possible
[08:50:14] <sasan>	 ?
[08:51:27] <Vulpix>	 well, I could, yes
[08:51:48] <sasan>	 can i send you my user and pass of teamviewer?
[08:52:09] <Vulpix>	 yes
[08:52:16] <sasan>	 in private channel
[08:52:49] <Vulpix>	 of course!
[08:53:22] <sasan>	 please add a private channel
[08:53:30] <sasan>	 then i can send you the id and pass
[11:42:12] <User_DE_01>	 Mahlzeit!
[11:43:43] <User_DE_01>	 Hello! Anyone there?
[11:43:52] <Svetlana>	 yes
[11:44:08] <User_DE_01>	 ah great
[11:44:22] <User_DE_01>	 maybe you can help me with my MediaWiki?
[11:45:24] <Svetlana>	 if you ask
[11:45:29] <Svetlana>	 what's the question?
[11:46:52] <User_DE_01>	 ok, so i just startet using mediawiki and i was wondering if there is some kind of general admin interface e.g. to change userrights or their profildata or something like this
[11:47:14] <Svetlana>	 [[Special:UserRights]] should change the user rights i think
[11:47:17] <Svetlana>	 what profile data?
[11:48:17] <User_DE_01>	 maybe their e-mail-addresses or something like this?
[11:48:51] <User_DE_01>	 mainly i'm missing some kind of cenrtal admin tool
[11:50:55] <User_DE_01>	 to get this right, is alway have to choose the "Special:"-site for changing things, right?
[11:50:59] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: there is no central admin dashboard
[11:51:19] <User_DE_01>	 ok, thats what i wanted to know
[11:51:25] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: the admin functions (protecting, blocking, reverting, deleting, restoring) are inlined
[11:51:38] <DanielK_WMDE>	 there are sone "special pages" that are available only to admins
[11:51:49] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Special:UserRights is reserved for hureaucrates
[11:52:31] <User_DE_01>	 those who i can find at "grouprights"?
[11:54:47] <Krenair>	 User_DE_01, ... what?
[11:54:59] <User_DE_01>	 ?
[11:55:19] <Krenair>	 You can see a list of groups at Special:ListGroupRights
[11:55:19] <User_DE_01>	 i was asking for admin funktions and how i can use them in my own wiki
[11:55:42] <Krenair>	 I assume your account has already been made a sysop?
[11:55:55] <User_DE_01>	 yes it is
[11:57:12] <User_DE_01>	 and if i want to change rights of a group i have to go to the config-files on the filesystem, right?
[12:00:25] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: yes. this is by design. no system level config can be doen via the web, for security reasons.
[12:01:13] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: We are currently working to transition the config system to supoprt having *some* settings in the database, which could then be managed via the web interface. it's a slow transition though, and not much pressure behind it.
[12:02:03] <User_DE_01>	 ok, thank you all for helping me
[12:02:25] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: so, for managing user rights, you can assign users to groups via the web interface (if you are a bureaucrat). you can not however assign permissions to groups or create new groups via the web interface.
[12:02:29] <User_DE_01>	 i surely will come back with some new questions ;D
[12:02:57] <User_DE_01>	 ok, tha's clear to me now, thanks!
[12:03:00] <DanielK_WMDE>	 User_DE_01: viel Spaß am Gerät!
[12:03:07] <User_DE_01>	 Danke ;)
[12:03:25] <User_DE_01>	 bye bye
[13:12:34] <ManDay>	 Any idea why a link appears as "Page does not exist" (red) but the page does exist and works?
[13:13:04] <waverider85>	 hey guys, im sure, its a simple problem, but i cant solve it. I've installed a csgo server on my dedicated machine, and now i'd like to have mm and sm working. but mm wont work so far. I've downloaded the latest version from the website direktly to the server, and extracted it to the gamefolder/ where now is the addons folder with it's mm content. so, this should work so far, but after restarting the server all i get by typing m
[13:13:16] <Vulpix>	 ManDay: because it's cached. You may need to wait until the job queue catches it up
[13:13:28] <ManDay>	 who runs the job queue?
[13:13:33] <Vulpix>	 ManDay: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue
[13:13:34] <ManDay>	 i haven't set up any cron whatsoever
[13:13:54] <Vulpix>	 ManDay: usualy every time you reload a page, a item from the job queue is picked and executed
[13:14:08] <ManDay>	 i think the existence of pages should be scheduled immediately
[13:14:12] <waverider85>	 can anyone help me pls
[13:14:20] <ManDay>	 that's not a task which is suited to be delayed
[13:15:01] <Vulpix>	 ManDay: apparently it depends on how many pages are linked to that page. If there are several ones, it's delayed, because it needs to reparse each one of them
[13:15:37] <ManDay>	 That wiki is brand new. It has 2 pages: The main page and that other page which is liked on the main page. I've reloaded the main page a dozen times and the link still shows as read
[13:15:39] <ManDay>	 *red
[13:15:43] <ManDay>	 maybe I misconfigured it?
[13:16:27] <Vulpix>	 well, the job queue was somewhat redesigned on 1.23 and I've already seen some installations with problems
[13:16:43] <ManDay>	 Great :-/
[13:16:49] <ManDay>	 Add mine
[13:17:37] <Vulpix>	 setting $wgRunJobsAsync to false may help
[13:18:39] <Vulpix>	 you can look at the job table to see if there's something there
[13:23:03] <ManDay>	 yes, tehre is a job
[13:23:11] <ManDay>	 "htmlCacheUpdate"
[13:23:16] <ManDay>	 Concerning the new page
[13:24:37] <ManDay>	 Changing wgRunJobsAsync helped the issue
[13:24:38] <ManDay>	 thanks
[13:25:11] <Vulpix>	 ManDay: I'm curious: are you on a shared host or something?
[13:26:08] <ManDay>	 no, my own server
[13:26:14] <ManDay>	 nginx
[13:26:49] <ManDay>	 it's a VM though
[13:30:42] <Steinsplitter>	 somone a iddea why this template dos not work? https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Shortcut2
[13:31:35] <Vulpix>	 Steinsplitter: could you be a bit more specific? :P
[13:32:18] <Steinsplitter>	 Vulpix: i don't see the shortcut. 
[13:32:46] <Steinsplitter>	 for example https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Village_pump_header , teh version on commons works
[13:33:47] <Vulpix>	 interesting, there's a CSS rule #shortcut2 {display: none;}
[13:34:25] <Steinsplitter>	 Vulpix: if i remove it then it don't display correct.  It is a exact import from commons, i am wondering why it don't works on outreach.
[13:34:45] <Vulpix>	 I see the element has an ID and a class. My guess is that it requires some JavaScript for it to work
[13:36:40] <Steinsplitter>	 Vulpix: i can find nothing there, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[13:40:57] <Steinsplitter>	 i am sure ther is no JS. 
[13:41:18] <Steinsplitter>	 mabye something else overwrites it?
[13:42:44] <Vulpix>	 Steinsplitter: well, you said it came from commons, right? but the source is vastly different https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Shortcut2&action=edit
[13:43:25] <Steinsplitter>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Shortcut&action=edit  this one (sorry)
[13:43:42] <Vulpix>	 damnit
[13:44:59] <Vulpix>	 Steinsplitter: the display:none is overriden here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css
[13:49:59] <Steinsplitter>	 Vulpix: thanks, but dos not work. i go to delete the emplate now, it is a wasting of time
[14:13:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jackmcbarn: because the person that added the thing did not update the page
[14:14:06] <jackmcbarn>	 JeroenDeDauw: ah. i've fixed the page
[14:15:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jackmcbarn: thnx
[14:22:01] <Hans_>	 hello,could anyone tell me how people manage to make "WikiCategoryTagCloud" look good? It is just a list for me,a very ugly one to be precise
[15:04:41] <keisetsu_>	 Is it possible to add a magic word that can be put into a page to make an extension not run on that page? I'm working on an extension someone else wrote but that I customized, and I find that it doesn't work well for certain pages. I'd like to be able to turn off the extension using a magic word
[15:07:32] <jackmcbarn>	 keisetsu_: no. you should fix the extension
[15:11:56] <keisetsu_>	 jackmcbarn: I might suggest that to the original developer, but I honestly don't have time to fix that problem.
[15:12:15] <jackmcbarn>	 keisetsu_: what extension is it?
[15:12:22] <keisetsu_>	 MsCatSelect
[15:12:45] <jackmcbarn>	 keisetsu_: are you sure it's not one of your customizations that broke it?
[15:14:02] <keisetsu_>	 I am. It removes categories from the wikitext when it starts, then adds them back. But it doesn't recognize <noinclude> tags. So it removes it from the <noinclude> tags when it starts, then puts them outside those tags when it saves the page.
[15:14:14] <keisetsu_>	 So a template's categories get put in every page.
[15:14:56] <keisetsu_>	 Every page it is included in.
[15:15:40] <jackmcbarn>	 keisetsu_: i see. have you considered replacing that extension with HotCat?
[15:16:09] <Vulpix>	 Wikia uses a similar extension, and it's horrible
[15:16:10] <keisetsu_>	 jackmcbarn: I'm not familiar with that one. I'll take a look at it.
[15:16:17] <jackmcbarn>	 see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HotCat
[15:16:47] <jackmcbarn>	 actually https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat#Installing_HotCat_on_another_wiki
[15:18:20] <TuTizz>	 hi all, I just update my synology and it automaticaly install mariaDB, now mediaWiki did not working anymore, do you have any advise please? (phpMyAdmin still working)
[15:18:40] <Vulpix>	 what error do you get?
[15:18:56] <TuTizz>	 didnt found any, web page still loading
[15:19:29] <TuTizz>	 and dont know in which folder I can find the wiki log
[15:19:52] <Vulpix>	 there's no log unless you define where to write it
[15:20:01] <Vulpix>	 !debug | TuTizz 
[15:20:01] <wm-bot>	 TuTizz: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[15:20:39] <TuTizz>	 yep remember now 
[15:25:37] <wmat>	 i have an odd issue where a user logs into my wiki, but their IP address still appears in the top right toolbar, any idea what would cause that?
[15:26:41] <jackmcbarn>	 wmat: are they saving cookies, and is php handling sessions properly?
[15:26:55] <wmat>	 jackmcbarn: just checking on cookies now
[15:27:47] <wmat>	 jackmcbarn: thx, that's what it is, as it works fine on the external network
[15:28:41] <Vulpix>	 maybe wgCookieDomain problem
[15:34:11] <wmat>	 got it fixed, thx
[16:01:51] <Betacommand>	 is there a way to purge/rebuild all thumbs?
[16:04:06] <^d>	 Delete the thumbs directory.
[17:42:52] <wmat>	 I wonder how I always seem to break the preferences page?
[17:43:03] <wmat>	 it's rendered as a list, instead of tabs today
[17:43:22] <legoktm>	 is something throwing a JS error?
[17:43:48] <wmat>	 just turning on error reporting now
[17:46:12] <Vulpix>	 you should look at the JavaScript error console of the browser
[17:46:54] <wmat>	 yep, looking at that now. Six warningss
[17:48:38] <wmat>	 mw.loader.load( '//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&smaxage=21600&maxage=86400' );
[17:48:43] <wmat>	 oops
[17:48:45] <wmat>	 sorry
[17:52:45] <wmat>	 hmm, no errors that I can see
[17:56:22] <kghbln>	 Hi, about a month ago I did some changes to an extension. Since the extension's landlord is currently unavailable I am asking here if somebody could have a peep at it and merge it into the repo https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/153335/
[17:58:44] <Ulfr_>	 Vulpix: Thanks for taking a look yesterday whilst I was panicky, didn't get a chance to say it yesterday after the torch bearing mob showed up
[17:59:16] <Vulpix>	 no problem :)
[18:00:14] * Ulfr_ snorts
[18:00:36] <Ulfr_>	 You should see the ticket i've got going with my host, they're all scratching their heads at what happened and how
[18:11:28] <moliver|afk>	 Ulfr_: There was a torch bearing mob?  Damn.  Hate I missed it.
[18:12:18] <Ulfr_>	 moliver|afk: Oh, it was the best kind. Very well educated and incredibly inept at using computers. They all wanted to know what in the world was going on, and absolutely LOVED it when I said I hadn't the foggiest
[18:13:17] <moliver>	 Ulfr_: Lol.  I bet they did.  My condolences.
[18:13:44] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: Appreciate that. I can show you how I put that search box in now if you'd like ;P
[18:15:16] <moliver>	 Ulfr_:  Thanks, but I've given it some more thought and I figure it'd be better not to stir the stew if it's not boiling.  >.>.
[18:15:57] <Ulfr_>	 No reason you couldn't use it personally! :D
[18:43:42] <moliver>	 Hey guys, does anyone know if there's a way to make something different appear in the TOC than the actual heading?  I.e. I want 'Authorize.Net supports the following payment processors in Australia and New Zealand:' to appear as an H4, but in the TOC I just want it to say 'Austrailia/New Zealand'.
[18:44:30] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: You could always use NOTOC and put one in manually if there's not some spiffy supported way
[18:44:39] <jeremyb>	 huh
[18:45:09] <moliver>	 Ulfr-: Fair point, but I'd want it to be relatively user manageable, so the less tables/complicated markup, the better.
[18:45:48] <moliver>	 If there's not already a way to do it, there will be.  >.>  /breaks out the programming hat.
[18:47:18] <Ulfr_>	 Oh, snap!
[18:48:30] <moliver>	 From what I can tell on the Manual:TOC page of mediawiki.org, there's no way to do it and I don't see an extension already existing for it.
[18:48:49] <Vulpix>	 Well, that's how table of contents works. I haven't seen a book where the table of contents displays somethin different from what the book has
[18:49:18] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: Why not just add an h4 with that extra bit and call the page Australia and New Zealand?
[18:49:20] <Vulpix>	 Even Microsoft Word doesn't provide a way to do that
[18:50:01] <Ulfr_>	 Eh, Word's functionality for anything other than word processing leaves MUCH to be desired.
[18:52:33] <moliver>	 Vulpix: I completely get your point.  On many of our pages, though, it would make sense for the TOC to contain less wordy info than the headers.  
[18:53:09] <moliver>	 On a side note, I didn't realize MS Word provided -any- TOC functionality.  That's pretty cool.
[18:55:54] <moliver>	 Anywho, nevermind.  I did this instead: https://dpaste.de/uXEj
[18:57:03] <moliver>	 It gets rid of the edit section option, ofc, but it'd only ever be used for h4's and no one uses the edit button for those anyway.
[18:57:20] <moliver>	 On my site, at least.  Please don't burn me at the stake.  =p
[18:58:00] <Vulpix>	 no problem :)
[19:01:06] <jeremyb>	 ewwww, I wants to burn moliver :-)
[19:01:52] <jeremyb>	 where's, this site?
[19:02:12] <jeremyb>	 I can't imagine authorize.net has a fan club
[19:02:29] <jeremyb>	 so I guess maybe you work for them
[19:03:17] <jeremyb>	 K4-713: look up :-)
[19:04:35] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: In my experience the only stake burning thing for this room at least is defining js arrays with = new Array();
[19:05:58] <moliver>	 jeremyb: It's locked down behind corporate logins, unfortunately.
[19:07:04] <moliver>	 jeremyb:  Lol.  Nah.  I work for CenterEdge Software.  It's a POS software company so we have to deal with Auth.Net sometimes.  It's a joy.
[19:07:17] <jeremyb>	 aha
[19:07:36] <jeremyb>	 I guess you could say we roll our own
[19:07:51] <jeremyb>	 which you're welcome to contribute to :)
[19:08:59] <moliver>	 Roll your own what?  o.o I possibly got lost somewhere.
[19:09:41] <jeremyb>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/?filter=fundraising
[19:14:28] <moliver>	 For posterity's sake, display:none doesn't work.  It has to be display:hidden.
[19:16:20] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: height:0 is also a fun one
[19:17:16] <moliver>	 You know what -really- works?  == Supported Processors == ==== United States ==== >.>
[19:17:26] <moliver>	 That's what we're going with.
[19:17:36] <moliver>	 KISS aplies here.
[19:17:55] * moliver apparently couldn't get it working with display:hidden, either.
[19:17:55] <FoxxT>	 moliver: display:hidden is invalid CSS
[19:18:16] <Ulfr_>	 moliver: Totally didn't recommend doing that awhile ago or anything
[19:18:20] <MatmaRex>	 (visibility:hidden, probably)
[19:18:22] <Ulfr_>	 ;P
[19:19:45] <moliver>	 Right, right.  visibility:hidden.  Oh well, I already gave up the fight.
[19:29:20] <ubahnfan>	 Good evening
[19:31:06] <jeremyb>	 not yet
[19:32:43] <marktraceur>	 TZAG, jeremyb
[19:47:49] <moliver>	 Okay, so... Is there a redirect=no parameter for wikilinks that I'm overlooking?
[19:48:32] <moliver>	 i want to have a page name automatically redirect to another page, but the first sentence of that page will be something like, "This page probably has the info you want on it, but if you -really- want to see the other page, click here."
[19:51:38] <Vulpix>	 we usually use a template that say "Page X redirects here. For other uses of this term, see Page X (disambiguation)"
[19:52:14] <marktraceur>	 You could also change the redirectfrom message on-wiki
[19:52:35] <marktraceur>	 moliver: Go to [[MediaWiki:redirectfrom]] and play with the text maybe.
[19:54:14] <moliver>	 So, what's going on here is, we have Credit Card Processors and we have Payment Gateways.  These two things are pretty darn similar to the point where much of the information for the two melds together.  However, we have two categories to separate these.  So, the Category:Credit Card Processors page includes all of the information for the two things (feature support list, etc) as well as two separate SMW asks, 1 for CCPs and one f
[19:54:47] <moliver>	 But if someone -really- wants to see the Payment Gateways category, I want to have a link to it at the top of the page (other than the redirect link, because it's not obvious).
[19:55:05] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[19:55:23] <moliver>	 marktraceur: Actually, yeah.  Maybe.  That might be just the thing.
[19:55:36] <marktraceur>	 moliver: Redirecting categories, I *think*, means that you'll include everything in Payment Gateways in Credit Card Processors
[19:55:39] <marktraceur>	 Which may be fine
[19:55:42] <moliver>	 Sorry, my window doesn't automatically scroll for some reason, so I didn't see your message until after.  =p
[19:55:49] <marktraceur>	 It's OK :)
[19:56:06] <moliver>	 marktraceur: Actually, I wish that were true, but it's not.  I tested it. 
[19:56:13] <marktraceur>	 Ah.
[19:56:45] <moliver>	 Basically, the only reason it's split into categories is because of the way our Infobox sets the category.  It takes the industry of a company and adds it to that category.  
[19:58:34] <moliver>	 So if your {{Infobox/company|industry=Credit Card Processors}} It puts that as the industry in the infobox -and- puts the page in the CCP category as well as setting the SMW property has industry to Credit Card Processors.  But anyroads.  
[21:24:03] <ulm>	 hi, we have updated our wiki to mediawiki 1.21.10 and now have a problem with page names previously created by a user
[21:24:34] <ulm>	 he had used &nbsp; in page titles, so the title in the URL would be something like 17%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Balmer_series
[21:25:17] <ulm>	 this still appears in the list of all pages, but when following the link it is canonicalised to 17_Balmer_series
[21:26:03] <ulm>	 now my question is if there is a way to rename these pages, without manipulating things at the database level?
[21:27:03] <ulm>	 (I don't know the exact mediawiki version before the update, but it should be around 1.16)
[21:28:01] <marktraceur>	 ulm: Yeah, renaming in MediaWiki is called moving instead
[21:28:38] <marktraceur>	 ulm: There should be a "more" tab next to edit, history, etc.; in that dropdown is the "move" link.
[21:29:38] <ulm>	 marktraceur: sure, but the problem is that I cannot get to the page, in the first place
[21:29:53] <MatmaRex>	 ulm: there's a maintenance script, cleanupTitles.php or something
[21:29:58] <marktraceur>	 Ah.
[21:30:19] <MatmaRex>	 ulm: it can list unreachable titles on your wiki and/or fix them
[21:32:07] <ulm>	 MatmaRex: o.k., I've found maintenance/cleanupTitles.php
[21:33:52] <ulm>	 nice :)
[21:34:01] <ulm>	 page 78 (17   Balmer_series) doesn't match self.
[21:34:04] <ulm>	 renaming 78 (0,'17   Balmer_series') to (0,'17_Balmer_series')
[21:35:48] <ulm>	 MatmaRex: that seems to do the job, thanks a lot
[21:36:25] <MatmaRex>	 :)
[21:59:50] <tfinc>	 RoanKattouw: any thoughts on https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007994.html ?
[22:00:58] <RoanKattouw>	 tfinc: Ed and I helped Jon solve that problem yesterday
[22:01:25] <tfinc>	 RoanKattouw: excellent. thanks for that
[22:01:30] <RoanKattouw>	 There is this one class in MobileFrontend that is trying to do double inheritance in a really hacky way, which means you have to get every detail exactly right
[22:01:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Jon got one detail slightly wrong, and so of course the whole thing blew up in his face
[23:57:51] <shadowphrogg3264>	 hi guys
[23:57:59] <marktraceur>	 Hi shadowphrogg3264
[23:58:14] <shadowphrogg3264>	 recently imported a wiki back from dump
[23:58:45] <shadowphrogg3264>	 now, the dump's namespaces were localized
[23:59:06] <shadowphrogg3264>	 and I'm using english mw
[23:59:42] <shadowphrogg3264>	 is there a way to merge/move the localized-namespace imports to their proper ns?