[00:00:38] <socomm>	 When trying to log-in I receive a "Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again."
[00:00:53] <socomm>	 I've cookies enabled, but I'm still receiving this error.
[00:01:20] <socomm>	 Any ideas?
[00:02:22] <socomm>	 I'm using MediaWiki 1.23.3, if that helps.
[00:04:45] <DKG_>	 Need help with the Gadget Extension. Anyone there?
[00:06:06] <legoktm>	 DKG_: hi, what help do you need?
[00:07:39] <DKG_>	 I installed the Gadget Extension just as I have any others. I added the folder and files to extensions and added the line to the Local_Settings.php, and Gadgets is seen on the Special:Version. But what does one do next. I have no idea how to actually proceed.
[00:08:09] <DKG_>	 I really only want a reference tool so that a small box appears when someone hovers over a reference
[00:08:51] <DKG_>	 I have read several things on the internet about it but nothing that seems straight forward
[00:09:13] <DKG_>	 no gadget tab shows up in preferences 
[00:09:37] <legoktm>	 well, the Gadgets extension just provides a framework where you can create JS tools and let users enable them, so you have to copy the reference tooltips gadget from a wiki that has it
[00:09:55] <legoktm>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets/export/ReferenceTooltips
[00:10:25] <DKG_>	 let me try it
[00:11:34] <DKG_>	 How does one "add the following to MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition page"? Is this in my wiki or on the mediawiki site
[00:13:26] <legoktm>	 on your wiki
[00:13:35] <legoktm>	 you need to edit the page named "MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition"
[00:14:05] <DKG_>	 got it downloaded, and just got it imported, checking your next step
[00:18:56] <DKG_>	 It works! You saved me hours of work!
[00:19:03] <legoktm>	 :)
[00:19:31] <DKG_>	 I have like 20 web pages open trying to figure this out and hours have already been spent. 
[00:19:53] <legoktm>	 DKG_: so, if you want a gadget that's available from the English Wikipedia or any other mediawiki wiki, go to "Special:Gadgets" on that page, find the one you want, and press export. (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets)
[00:20:49] <DKG_>	 Very nice. Now I know what to do. I am coming here again, bookmarked :D
[01:43:20] <ElmerG>	 Evening all.
[02:11:48] <ElmerG>	 I have a weird question, if I may ask?
[02:22:19] <jackmcbarn>	 ElmerG: sure, what is it?
[02:23:15] <ElmerG>	 jackmcbarn: I am trying to find any type of guide I can find for altering the Vector skin; in particular I'm trying to turn the content box (and all areas around it) transparent so that a background behind it can be viewed.
[02:25:16] <ElmerG>	 I have yet to find anything concrete pointing me in the right direction though.
[02:29:07] <jackmcbarn>	 ElmerG: if you right-click inspect element, you can see where styles come from. in this case, @body-background-color in variables.less
[02:51:39] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 i got a simple question about mediawiki pages
[02:51:50] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 is it possible to do math on them like for instance i have this on my main page We are currently maintaining [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFPAGES}} pages ({{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles)]] 
[02:52:32] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 but i would like it to be able to do something like this [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFPAGES}}+ ({{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles)]]   equals
[02:52:35] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 is that possible?
[02:52:40] <legoktm>	 !parserfunctions
[02:52:40] <wm-bot>	 "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[02:53:04] <legoktm>	 MirrorOfKalandra: you want the parser functions extension, and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23expr
[02:53:34] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 i think i have those both tbh
[02:53:38] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 due to the nature of my site
[02:53:48] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 i think i had to install those just to have some of the stuff i copied work
[02:53:58] <MirrorOfKalandra>	 basically copying a gaming wiki but making it enhanced
[05:36:49] <Svetlana>	 Can a MediaWiki template show or not show something conditionally, depending on whether a user has a certain user right or not?
[06:15:15] <john1234>	 Hello! Just upgraded from 1.16 to 1.23.3. Most everything works, except one user is having problems logging in.
[06:15:26] <john1234>	 Login error  There is no user by the name "User_name"
[06:16:45] <john1234>	 When I manually change the username to "Username" in the user table of the database, he is able to login. Is the underscore causing problems?
[06:45:15] <john1234>	 j
[07:21:13] <sasan>	 hello all
[07:21:46] <sasan>	 i added more than 1 logo in my wiki footer, i want to change their position in footer, how could i do that?
[08:17:14] <sasan>	 i added more than 1 logo in my wiki footer, i want to change their position in footer, how could i do that?
[08:17:45] <tale>	 sasan: That is a different question than you asked yesterday. Did you solve the yesterays problem? If so, how?
[08:20:20] <sasan>	 no
[08:21:17] <sasan>	 <Tale> could you help me?
[08:21:26] <tale>	 sasan: no.
[08:21:58] <sasan>	 this is impossible, that no body can help?
[08:22:44] <tale>	 sasan: Yesterday you were told an alternative support address. What happened when you tried that?
[08:23:06] <sasan>	 what do you mean?
[08:23:20] <tale>	 sasan: See the answers you got yesterday.
[08:23:39] <sasan>	 i have followed dear, i just can not change position
[08:25:16] <sasan>	 there were no answer for changing position
[08:25:38] <tale>	 sasan: Yesterday you did not ask about changing position.
[08:26:15] <sasan>	 yes, today i asked it
[08:26:26] <sasan>	 yesterday, i could finally add more than 2 logo
[08:26:38] <sasan>	 now i want to change its position
[08:26:52] <tale>	 sasan: Your name was karami yesterday? Why change name?
[08:27:20] <sasan>	 my name is sasan karami
[08:27:25] <sasan>	 dear
[08:27:38] <tale>	 sasan: Try to keep the same name, that avoids confusion.
[08:27:52] <sasan>	 sorry, it is my mistake
[08:27:54] <sasan>	 sorry
[08:28:22] <tale>	 sasan: Anyway, yesterday svetlana answered karami to contact Project:Support_desk if nobody replies here.
[08:28:56] <sasan>	 yes, 
[08:29:06] <sasan>	 but where is suport desk?
[08:29:19] <Svetlana>	 Hi.  How did you add second logo?
[08:29:30] <tale>	 sasan: See, you are being helped. But you do not read the advice you are given.
[08:29:56] <sasan>	 really?
[08:30:01] <sasan>	 what is the help?
[08:30:23] <tale>	 sasan: You were told the support desk address yesterday. Or rather, karami was told.
[08:31:16] <sasan>	 where is support desk?
[08:31:42] <magioladitis>	 I created this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magioladitis/Sandbox
[08:31:52] <magioladitis>	 but while creating it  I got a gateway time out
[08:32:08] <magioladitis>	 the result is that while trying to grab data via AWB/API
[08:32:14] <magioladitis>	 it grabs older information
[08:32:22] <magioladitis>	 based on an  older revision
[08:32:37] <Svetlana>	 it is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk 
[08:32:38] <sasan>	  <tale> just tell me where is support desk?
[08:32:46] <Svetlana>	 and please answer other questions
[08:33:07] <Svetlana>	 - how did you resolve yesterday problem
[08:33:15] <Svetlana>	 - where do you see the logo now
[08:33:17] <Svetlana>	 - where would you like to see it instead
[08:33:30] <sasan>	 i see logo beside each other
[08:33:39] <sasan>	 i want to change its position in my wiki
[08:35:35] <Svetlana>	 how would you like to change position
[08:35:51] <Svetlana>	 where would you like to see it
[08:36:04] <sasan>	 for example first log be placed in position (x,y)
[08:36:16] <sasan>	 and the logo 2 be in position (x1,x2)
[08:38:36] <Svetlana>	 what is x and y?
[08:38:38] <Svetlana>	 you could move it around using jquery, $('#id-of-logo').detach().insertAfter('<selector of the element to insert after>')
[08:38:38] <Svetlana>	 as i assumed you'd like to change its location on the page
[08:39:00] <Svetlana>	 although if you describe the location you want, i can tell you how to do it more sanely
[08:39:06] <Svetlana>	 as not all people use javascript
[08:39:31] <sasan>	 for example i want first log be in position 
[08:39:40] <sasan>	 x=1 and y=2
[08:39:49] <sasan>	 and the other be in position 
[08:39:54] <sasan>	 x=3, y=2
[08:40:12] <sasan>	 understand now, what i mean?
[08:43:57] <Svetlana>	 no, it's not a squared board
[08:44:55] <Svetlana>	 css has a means to specify absolute position but i can't tell you how to do what you need because i don't understand you
[08:47:17] <sasan>	 yes, i want squared board
[08:47:30] <sasan>	 you mean i just can change its position by css?
[09:07:40] <michael210288>	 hey there, is it Possible to make an easy individual styleable book export? I have tryed collection, but there i can not style the book themself
[11:09:12] <sasan>	 <Svetlana>: how could i do it, i did not find my answrr?
[11:10:31] <Svetlana>	 sasan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/position
[11:13:59] <sasan>	 you mean by css
[11:14:03] <sasan>	  i could change it??
[11:19:09] <Svetlana>	 yes, using common.css
[11:19:28] <Svetlana>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS
[11:39:36] <sasan>	 <Svetlana>: i should add this #two { position: absolute; top: 20px; left: 20px; }
[11:39:40] <sasan>	 two is its id
[11:40:15] <sasan>	 yes?
[11:40:17] <Svetlana>	 go for it but it'll be at the left top and might overlap the main logo
[11:40:40] <sasan>	 no problem, i will change these
[11:40:43] <sasan>	 just i want to kno 
[11:40:50] <sasan>	 #two is its id?
[11:41:42] <sasan>	 i should find out its id first
[11:41:45] <sasan>	 all ids
[11:41:53] <sasan>	 and try to arrange
[11:41:54] <sasan>	 it?
[11:43:19] <magioladitis>	 I reduced the size of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magioladitis/Sandbox but there is still the same problem
[11:45:33] <Svetlana>	 sasan: yes, you need the ID of the logo you'd like to change position of
[11:45:57] <Svetlana>	 magioladitis: what problem?
[11:46:20] <Svetlana>	 28,000 lines.. hm. that /should/ work, but what are you trying to do?
[11:46:37] <magioladitis>	 Svetlana: Trying to get links on page via AWB gets results from an older revision of the page
[11:46:54] <magioladitis>	 I suspect some problem with revision id or something
[11:47:23] <magioladitis>	 I bet it's not AWB's problem but something else
[11:47:47] <Svetlana>	 I unfortunately don't support client-side automated tools which are a consequence of wiki software lacks which weren't properly advocated for, so you'll have to wait for someone else
[11:48:29] <Svetlana>	 wikipedia folks should know better than not put up a list of features onto a page that appears in sitenotice from time to time
[11:48:39] <Svetlana>	 a list of feature requests
[11:48:55] <Svetlana>	 readers can turn out to be programmers, you know
[11:55:04] <magioladitis>	 Svetlana: true. Thanks!
[11:56:16] <Svetlana>	 they once told me that people who create new articles need a "landing page" and they need help from WMF, when i asked what that phrase means I got no response - how the heck would they like me to get involved if they don't have a spec?
[11:56:46] <Svetlana>	 I keep trying to take notes here and there as I go as a result
[12:00:00] <magioladitis>	 this is a common problem
[12:00:06] <magioladitis>	 many reports stay incomplete
[12:00:16] <Svetlana>	 they don't even _report_ it
[12:00:23] <magioladitis>	 hehe
[12:00:40] <Svetlana>	 maybe they did in the past, but they mentioned it in a discussion without linking to the bug report
[12:01:28] <magioladitis>	 my bot does some thousands edits per day and I still get messages like "why did you do that?"
[12:01:37] <magioladitis>	 no link, no where, no nothing
[12:01:40] <magioladitis>	 :)
[12:02:15] <magioladitis>	 My new effort to save the page ended in "Request: POST http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Magioladitis/Sandbox&action=submit, from 10.64.32.107 via cp1066 cp1066 ([10.64.0.103]:3128), Varnish XID 994420337
[12:02:17] <magioladitis>	 Forwarded for: 85.75.174.47, 91.198.174.102, 208.80.154.133, 10.64.32.107
[12:02:18] <magioladitis>	 Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:01:24 GMT "
[12:02:27] <magioladitis>	 damn
[12:03:41] <Svetlana>	 magioladitis: create a /Editnotice subpage of your bot talk page, and add big fat line 'please link to the diff!!!!! or give me page name!!!!'
[12:03:53] <Svetlana>	 that could change things a little
[12:04:17] <Svetlana>	 or even a "leave feedback" button which preloads a template for a bug report
[12:05:09] <magioladitis>	 Svetlana: good idea even though some guys tend to be partially blind when it comes to edit notices
[12:07:09] <Svetlana>	 yes, that is why i suggested preloading a template (it'd appear in the edit box itself)
[12:08:08] <magioladitis>	 Svetlana: yes in fact this is a very good idea
[14:11:22] <Michio>	 Hi all. I am having a problem after moving MW from one server to another. Pages that exist on the old server, are not on the new one. When looking at the database, three tables have different amount of entries between the two servers. Archive (new server has  twice as many rows), l10n_cache (new server has 124 less rows) and objectcache (new server has two more pages). Anyone have a clue what may be going on?
[14:30:02] <Wikiwannabe2>	 hey ppl
[15:07:33] <moliver>	 Sooooo.  How's it going?  :D  Having a bit of a problem.  What's the best way to link to a page's edit page?  Currently I have https://dpaste.de/iqE3 but if there's a space in the page name, it becomes a problem.
[15:08:01] <moliver>	 There's got to be a magic word I'm missing.
[15:08:21] <sumanah>	 Hi moliver - taking a look
[15:09:02] <sumanah>	 moliver: what version of MediaWiki do you have installed?
[15:09:30] <moliver>	 sumanah: 1.24wmf17
[15:09:45] <sumanah>	 moliver: I do not know the answer! but someone else will - good luck
[15:09:51] <sumanah>	 in case IRC doesn't help, moliver, mediawiki-l will know
[15:09:52] <sumanah>	 !lists
[15:09:52] <wm-bot>	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[15:10:45] <MatmaRex>	 moliver: {{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}}
[15:11:09] <moliver>	 Is that a parser function?
[15:11:19] <MatmaRex>	 (or {{localurl:…}}, should work the same in this case)
[15:11:30] <MatmaRex>	 yes, built-in in core MediaWiki
[15:11:41] <sumanah>	 Good luck moliver and thanks MatmaRex 
[15:12:07] <moliver>	 Beautiful.  Thanks, guys.
[15:14:54] <sumanah>	 moliver: How is MediaWiki working for you overall? well I hope?
[15:15:20] <moliver>	 It's working pretty well.  
[15:15:52] <moliver>	 The lack of a user-friendly WYSIWYG is crippling a bit.  And I couldn't seem to get Visual Editor working at all.  But, meh.  
[15:16:26] <Niharika>	 sumanah: Hi! I read your blogpost (and tweet) about terminating your work here. I wish you all the best for your future adventures. :) 
[15:16:28] <sumanah>	 moliver: the #mediawiki-visualeditor channel might be able to help you btw
[15:16:33] <sumanah>	 Thank you Niharika!
[15:16:41] <Niharika>	 And I am excited about seeing you in Bangalore! :D 
[15:16:47] * DanielK_WMDE_ sends hugs to sumanah
[15:17:06] <moliver>	 It basically means that I'm the only one adding to the wiki, but at least our techs have something to go to for a knowledgebase.  Confluence is seriously Mediawiki's only real alternative, imho, and it's incredibly overpriced.
[15:17:16] <sumanah>	 also moliver http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2013-May/041167.html and https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2011-August/037870.html might be interesting to you as examples of better skins for MediaWiki
[15:17:55] <moliver>	 Cool.  Thanks.
[15:18:00] <Niharika>	 sumanah: Do you still take the career hours in #opw you used to? 
[15:18:03] <sumanah>	 no
[15:18:10] <Niharika>	 Okay.
[15:18:18] <sumanah>	 someone else will be doing that
[15:18:21] <sumanah>	 Thanks DanielK_WMDE_ 
[15:18:27] <sumanah>	 ok, /away time, meeting :)
[15:19:08] <moliver>	 Hey does anyone know off the top of your head the class for stripping the external link icon?  I can google it but /lazy.  >.>
[15:20:07] <moliver>	 Plainlinks.  >.>  Got it.  
[15:52:56] <Nemo_bis>	 Carmela: do you know? https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/About_MediaWiki:Pageinfo-recent-edits
[17:47:18] <Nemo_bis>	 ^d: your 687b531d2 update to the message triggered this question :) https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/About_MediaWiki:Search-showingresults/sv
[18:08:51] <Sia->	 hi their
[18:10:19] <Sia->	 any quickly way to update the mediawiki instead to upload each time thousand of files via FTP client ?
[18:10:58] <Sia->	 i don't have ssh or root access. 
[18:11:33] <Reedy>	 if you had ssh access you could've used git
[18:12:34] <Sia->	 i had it on the old provider Reedy. but now just ftp.
[18:55:16] <Shmias_>	 is there a kind of sandbox wiki??
[18:55:44] <marktraceur>	 Shmias_: Answered in #wikipedia :)
[18:55:53] <Shmias_>	 marktraceur: thanks ^^
[21:09:55] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: yes. 
[21:10:11] * YuviPanda has been contributing to a non Wikimedia project over the last weekend
[21:10:17] <YuviPanda>	 felt surprisingly nice and refreshing
[21:10:21] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: at a conference last year one person spoke about her experience as a new open source contributor, and we (the more experienced contributors) sort of interviewed her
[21:10:51] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: she mentioned how if she wants to find an open source project to work on, or she wants to know if a particular app or other codebase is open source, she goes to GitHub
[21:11:14] <sumanah>	 and that she does not notice what license the code is under
[21:11:32] <YuviPanda>	 right
[21:11:38] <YuviPanda>	 GitHub could do a better job of that
[21:12:04] <sumanah>	 it could. but also I think it's a reasonable thing for a new contributor to care a lot less about that than about other things
[21:12:42] <sumanah>	 like "do they have sexist jokes in their documentation" and "is this code of a quality that I could work with it"
[21:13:12] <YuviPanda>	 indeed
[21:13:30] <YuviPanda>	 I mostly check 'speed/velocity of commits' and 'number of different contributors'
[21:13:51] <sumanah>	 right
[21:14:02] <YuviPanda>	 and I'll admit to not checking the license much either
[21:14:04] <sumanah>	 yeah, those are even better than the examples I came up with
[21:14:10] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: anyway. how are you? where are you?
[21:14:40] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: I'm in the UK! And I'm doing *great* :) Transitionary period between mobile and ops, working on making tools/labs more reliable :)
[21:14:46] <sumanah>	 :)
[21:14:54] <sumanah>	 I shall call this transition moment: "mops"
[21:15:10] <YuviPanda>	 haha :D
[21:15:16] * YuviPanda mops everything away
[21:16:06] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: http://youtu.be/5cdcemzTjDc?t=40s
[21:16:18] * YuviPanda is on phone, adds it to background list
[21:16:34] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: are you in NY?
[21:16:36] <sumanah>	 I am
[21:16:41] <sumanah>	 I'm just back from England
[21:16:46] <sumanah>	 https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Coast_To_Coast_Walk
[21:17:04] <sumanah>	 I did go to Scotland briefly! I was in Gretna Green
[21:17:19] <sumanah>	 my friends got married there. It's a traditional place for couples to marry
[21:17:31] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: aaha!  I saw that you did the Coast to Coast walk, and then presumed it was in the US, and was slightly confused/worried/amazed
[21:18:02] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: I'm in London now, though. here till end of the month, when I leave
[21:18:39] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: hahaha! until I get my seven-league boots I will not be able to walk west-to-east across North America over the course of a 3-week vacation
[21:18:52] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: http://www.clockmakers.org/museum-and-library/museum/ and http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/
[21:19:05] <sumanah>	 also there is a London Lua meetup YuviPanda 
[21:19:41] <sumanah>	 also YuviPanda did you see that at Kings Cross there is a fake Platform 9 3/4 ?
[21:20:07] <marktraceur>	 Fake. Right.
[21:20:09] * marktraceur winks
[21:20:15] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: no! The one time I was in King's cross I had to rush so missed it
[21:20:49] <sumanah>	 I must be a Muggle because it looked fake to me!
[21:21:11] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: :D The Science Museum has 'Late Thursdays' where they open up the museum to anyone 18+ and have bars + silent discos + other workshops/activities, plus all exhibits are open (and way less crowded)
[21:21:16] <YuviPanda>	 was super awesome, will probably go again
[21:21:24] <sumanah>	 also YuviPanda my friends' wedding included a bagpiper! http://mossandjuliawalk.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/internet-is-scarce/  http://mossandjuliawalk.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/a-few-wedding-day-highlights/
[21:21:30] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: awesome!!!!
[21:21:32] <YuviPanda>	 woooo!
[21:22:09] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: you probably know that there's a lot of Indian independence history revolving around the British Library reading room
[21:22:12] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: bagpipers are cool. my last vacation in scotland included sitting on the side of a very large (by my standards) mountain with a bunch of people and one person playing the bagpipes.
[21:22:19] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: oh?! I wasn't aware of that
[21:22:20] <sumanah>	 WOWWWW
[21:23:40] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/timeline/1910s.html Ambedkar worked in the British Library reading room
[21:23:47] <YuviPanda>	 aaaaah
[21:23:50] <YuviPanda>	 I didn't know that
[21:23:57] * YuviPanda adds all the links to pocket
[21:24:08] <sumanah>	 "The term of his scholarship from Baroda ended, so that he was obliged to go back to India in June with his work unfinished; he was, however, given permission to return and finish within four years. He sent his precious and much-loved collection of books back on a steamer--but it was torpedoed and sunk by a German submarine." NOOOOOO
[21:24:20] <YuviPanda>	 :(
[21:24:55] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: according to the Amar Chitra Katha I read, Ambedkar couldn't afford to go out for lunch every day, and he wasn't allowed to eat in the reading room, so he just stayed there all day working, and the librarian noticed, and started inviting him in for tea
[21:24:57] <sumanah>	 which is nice
[21:25:12] <YuviPanda>	 indeed
[22:16:23] <Nemo_bis>	 whyy :( http://imgur.com/4kEAMKO
[22:17:32] <sumanah>	 hi Nemo_bis can you elaborate on your "whyy"?
[22:17:45] <sumanah>	 Nemo_bis: I'm not clear on whether you disapprove of encouraging anons to register, or there's something else going on
[22:18:22] <Nemo_bis>	 WMF <Halfak>
[22:18:43] <Reedy>	 It should be "Halfak (WMF)"
[22:18:45] * Reedy hides
[22:19:00] <sumanah>	 aha!
[22:19:18] <sumanah>	 thanks Reedy 
[22:19:45] <sumanah>	 Nemo_bis: have you ever heard the English expression "playing coy"? ;-)
[22:20:22] <sumanah>	 so, yeah, that doesn't look very good
[22:20:38] <Nemo_bis>	 Probably not
[22:20:48] <Nemo_bis>	 I can never figure out if this is the right component https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=Feed%20Reader
[22:21:05] <sumanah>	 oh do you think it's a problem in Thunderbird, or a problem in the feed?
[22:21:10] <Nemo_bis>	 And the W3C validator runs away screaming before I manage to actually enter a MediaWiki URL
[22:22:35] <Nemo_bis>	 Probably not our fault http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ANewPages%26feed%3Datom%26hidebots%3D1%26hideredirs%3D1%26limit%3D500%26offset%3D%26namespace%3D202%26username%3D%26tagfilter%3D
[22:24:24] <Nemo_bis>	 Problem solved :P http://imgur.com/SnvsKVq
[22:27:23] <Nemo_bis>	 (Why file a Mozilla bug if you can smash it under a carpet)
[22:27:37] <legoktm>	 Nemo_bis: actually there's an Echo bug for it I think.
[22:27:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Echo?!
[22:28:08] <Nemo_bis>	 btw sumanah you're the only feed author who I don't need to manually map to email address in Thunderbird because you already did it for me
[22:28:38] <sumanah>	 I did? cool! I have no recollection of doing this, but, thanks, past sumana!
[22:29:06] <Nemo_bis>	 maybe a byproduct of yopur blog software using your email as ID
[22:29:15] <legoktm>	 Nemo_bis: hmm, well I was thinking of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69981#c3
[22:30:02] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: I can't find a working shortcut to close tabs in phpstorm
[22:30:08] * AaronSchulz is used to cntrl-w in netbeans
[22:30:28] * YuviPanda has thankfully not had to use phpstorm too much in the last few months
[22:30:46] <sumanah>	 Nemo_bis: Ah, in that case I will thank my spouse for writing NewsBruiser to emit sensible XML
[22:31:00] <Nemo_bis>	 lol http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.harihareswara.net%2Fnb%2Fnb.cgi%2Fsyndicate%2Fsumana%2FWork%2FWikimedia
[22:31:27] <sumanah>	 hmmm
[22:31:32] <Nemo_bis>	 <managingEditor>sumanah@panix.com (Sumana Harihareswara)</managingEditor>
[22:31:35] <Nemo_bis>	 this
[22:31:38] <sumanah>	 yeah
[22:31:47] <sumanah>	 I am indeed the Managing Editor of my own blog
[22:32:07] <Nemo_bis>	 thunderbird likes that tag 
[22:32:10] <sumanah>	 :)
[22:34:47] <sumanah>	 Nemo_bis: I hope you find my blog entertaining and/or edifying! also fun fact Nemo_bis - you can sing "feed validator" to the tune of "Smooth Operator" 
[22:36:22] <sumanah>	 ok, I have thanked my spouse. also we sang "feed validator"
[22:40:37] <SirPeasewhizz>	 does anyone know if godzilla is on netflix today
[22:40:58] <SirPeasewhizz>	 wait wrong channel
[22:53:05] <sumanah>	 I did see the original "Godzilla" recently, on the big screen, and it was really really good
[23:24:11] <Seahorse>	 sorry for being somewhat blunt.. (under a lot of stress).. but if the user table were maliciously accessed or downloaded in some way how easy would it be for that person to take those password hashes and convert them back to passwords to access accounts
[23:28:15] <Reedy>	 They can't
[23:28:53] <Reedy>	 They'd have to brute force to get back to the hash
[23:28:58] <Reedy>	 It's one way
[23:30:31] <legoktm>	 unless your passwords aren't salted.
[23:31:44] <Seahorse>	 I honestly don't know if they are. I haven't changed anything and just left it however MediaWiki set it up
[23:31:53] <Seahorse>	 is that something done by default?
[23:35:32] <Seahorse>	 it looks like they are (thankfully)
[23:36:10] <Seahorse>	 does this mean it is generally safe to rule out a database compromise resulting in recent account compromises?
[23:36:54] <Seahorse>	 er.. in other words I'm trying to find out how a few accounts have been maliciously accessed in the past few days and want to rule out the user table being accessed
[23:37:11] <Reedy>	 weak/obvious passwords?
[23:37:58] <Seahorse>	 I can ask but I believe they were decent passwords
[23:38:16] <legoktm>	 could be targeted attacks or maybe emails got compromised?
[23:39:00] <Seahorse>	 what do you mean by a targeted attack
[23:39:41] <Reedy>	 SSL?
[23:39:54] <Reedy>	 There's of course tonnes of ways passwords can get intercepted/compromised/stolen etc
[23:39:58] <legoktm>	 User:Legoktm loves legos, so I'm going to try "ILoveLegos" and see if that's his password
[23:40:26] <Seahorse>	 nope, we don't use ssl so I don't think it would be something like heartbleed
[23:40:35] <Seahorse>	 I see
[23:40:46] <legoktm>	 err
[23:40:53] <legoktm>	 not using SSL means anyone can sniff your passwords.
[23:41:00] <MrC>	 A frighteningly large number of users still use "password", "passw0rd", and "123456" .
[23:41:10] <Reedy>	 love, god, war...
[23:41:29] * bd808 asks to have his password removed from the chat log
[23:42:16] <Seahorse>	 I will try to get SSL enabled in that case
[23:43:01] <Seahorse>	 I'm mostly just trying to make sure that it's extremely unlikely that every user's password was compromised just because a few accounts have been accessed
[23:44:02] <Reedy>	 If someone had access to your server and changed php files...
[23:44:19] <Seahorse>	 I can definitively rule that out