[00:07:15] <t0ryzal>	 can someone help me with a visual editor install?
[01:35:14] <fdrdox>	 crap guys
[01:35:38] <fdrdox>	 where do i change can create/edit pages...i guess anyone can edit by default even without making an account
[01:35:51] <fdrdox>	 is this in localsettings.php or do i change this from within the wiki
[01:35:56] <fdrdox>	 through my admin account?
[01:37:09] <Krenair>	 settings
[01:37:15] <fdrdox>	 im reading the manual on user rights but am really confused
[01:40:07] <fdrdox>	 please provide further info Krenair
[01:41:02] <Krenair>	 fdrdox, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_vandalism#Lock_down_.28lazy_solution.29
[01:42:07] <fdrdox>	 hmm after reading that maybe i shouldn't enable this
[01:42:14] <fdrdox>	 id like people to be able to edit
[01:43:38] <fdrdox>	 i should probably look at just creating a backup of the site.
[01:43:48] <fdrdox>	 im not sure the best way to manage edits is, and delete bad ones
[02:59:05] <fdrdox>	 hmm mediawiki isn't letting me post certain blocks of text
[02:59:12] <fdrdox>	 even when im logged into my admin account
[02:59:17] <fdrdox>	 i guess this is its spam filter
[02:59:20] <fdrdox>	 how do i change these settings?
[03:00:46] <bawolff>	 fdrdox: There's various spam filter type things (especially when you throw extensions into the mix), it depends which one you're hitting
[03:01:01] <bawolff>	 But first step, I would look to see if there's anything related to that in your LocalSettings.php
[03:01:06] <fdrdox>	 im not using in spam filter extensions
[03:02:38] <fdrdox>	 i don't see anything like that in localsettings.php
[03:04:56] <bawolff>	 what's the error message
[03:05:08] <fdrdox>	 it doesn't give me one. just redirects me to the main page
[03:05:17] <bawolff>	 Sometimes things like apache's mod_security (or mod_security2) will cause random bad things to happen
[03:07:29] <fdrdox>	 it seems to be blocking out specific words. ive noticed it wont let me post some profanity
[03:07:55] <fdrdox>	 and now its doing blocks of text that it thinks are spam i guess
[03:08:31] <bawolff>	 That sounds like happening on some non-mediawiki layer
[03:09:06] <fdrdox>	 wait a minute
[03:09:12] <bawolff>	 probably on your web server, or perhaps some sort of intermediary child friendly proxy (that would be weird though)
[03:09:14] <fdrdox>	 i have some spam extensions installed by default
[03:09:40] <fdrdox>	 spamblacklist, and tile blacklist
[03:10:12] <bawolff>	 neither of those would redirect you to main page
[03:12:08] <fdrdox>	 if it was configured properly it wouldn't
[03:12:16] <fdrdox>	 its probably still working, but not displaying the error message
[03:12:28] <jackmcbarn>	 fdrdox: you really can't misconfigure either of those to do that
[03:13:59] <fdrdox>	 well im not sure what to do then
[03:14:10] <fdrdox>	 i know that text is being filtered and rejected
[03:14:13] <fdrdox>	 but not how to fix it
[03:14:43] <jackmcbarn>	 fdrdox: what web host do you use?
[03:14:49] <fdrdox>	 namecheap
[03:19:47] <fdrdox>	 that would be really weird if the host server was rejecting it
[03:21:27] <bawolff>	 fdrdox: It kind of sounds like it
[03:21:45] <bawolff>	 What you're seeing is what would happen if someone just chopped off the POST data for the http request
[03:23:43] <fdrdox>	 so where do i go from here
[03:27:56] <bawolff>	 make a php page with just <?php phpinfo();
[03:27:57] <bawolff>	 on it
[03:28:16] <bawolff>	 And look at the list of modules and see if anything there is spam related, and google it, maybe
[03:28:17] <Carmela>	 <ori> As long as you're not running HHVM!
[03:28:30] <bawolff>	 Otherwise ask your host perhaps
[03:28:50] <fdrdox>	 on the wiki or where exactly?
[03:29:02] <bawolff>	 not on the wiki
[03:29:08] <fdrdox>	 where do i make that page
[03:29:09] <bawolff>	 Just on your webserver
[03:29:34] <fdrdox>	 alright thanks
[03:29:36] <bawolff>	 Add a file with a name ending in .php containing just that contents 
[03:32:10] <fdrdox>	 ok i created the page
[03:32:41] <fdrdox>	 with that code put in the php file
[03:32:52] <fdrdox>	 im not sure what to do with it..im viewing it
[03:32:56] <bawolff>	 That will just give you a list of various php/apache modules. One of them might be responsible
[03:33:19] <bawolff>	 Its not much to go on, but maybe something will jump out on the list
[03:34:14] <fdrdox>	 i clicked 'view file' after making it
[03:34:20] <fdrdox>	 it just shows the code, it's not running the script
[03:35:20] <fdrdox>	 its in the root folder of my wiki
[03:45:07] <bawolff>	 View it from your web browser
[04:53:54] <fdrdox>	 question
[04:54:10] <fdrdox>	 would connecting through a vpn be causing me to not be able to ftp to my server?
[04:58:51] <Samuel_P>	 Hello, I have installed Mobilefrontend for my two wikis and I was wondering does it affect my search-engine listings? My mobile URL´s points at their sites document-roots. I have now read about 301-redirect and I was wondering should I use that aproach?
[05:01:46] <Samuel_P>	 Do you guys know is there reliable site or a tool what I can use for checking that the URL´s wont give duplicate content for search-engines, thanks.
[06:13:37] <fdrdox>	 do any of you use Visual Editor?
[06:14:03] <ori>	 sometimes, yes
[06:14:13] <fdrdox>	 im installing it atm
[06:14:32] <fdrdox>	 how do you like it/ is it worth it?
[06:15:14] <ori>	 i like it
[06:15:37] <fdrdox>	 apparently i have to install parsoid as well
[06:15:53] <ori>	 yes
[06:17:49] <fdrdox>	 my webhost is most likely using ubuntu correct?
[06:17:57] <fdrdox>	 parsoid installation should be easy right ori?
[06:20:16] <ori>	 yes
[06:20:19] <ori>	 to both
[06:20:24] <fdrdox>	 i dont want to risk screwing my setup if its not simple
[06:20:32] <fdrdox>	 ok i will try
[06:20:42] <ori>	 "cat /etc/issue" should tell you if you're running ubuntu
[06:21:10] <fdrdox>	 i dont know what that means. im just going to assume ubuntu
[06:21:30] <ori>	 i mean: running that command should tell you
[06:21:34] <ori>	 but it's ok
[06:22:58] <fdrdox>	 this is really complicated
[06:30:23] <fdrdox>	 screw it
[06:30:28] <fdrdox>	 too complicated
[06:30:35] <fdrdox>	 these manuals are written by autists
[07:53:50] <SamP>	 Hello, is there someone who could help me with SEO related question. I have installed MobileFrontend and I was wondering will it create duplicate content? Im sorry if this is a stupid question, im new with SEO stuff. thanks
[07:55:01] <SamP>	 I have mainsite domain and mobile.site domains and they both point to mainsite
[07:58:04] <ori>	 SamP: I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure. You may have better luck with that question in #wikimedia-mobile, especially during daytime hours in SF (16:00 - 02:00)
[07:58:16] <ori>	 (16:00 - 02:00 UTC, I mean.)
[07:59:23] <SamP>	 Thanks ori. Are you familiar with SEO configurations and 301-redirect?
[08:00:02] <ori>	 Not very! :)
[08:00:44] <SamP>	 Ok. not am I :) . Thanks.
[08:02:08] <ori>	 SamP: according to https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details , separate mobile/desktop urls are fine
[08:02:21] <ori>	 SamP: http://searchengineland.com/the-definitive-guide-to-mobile-technical-seo-166066 confirms
[08:04:04] <SamP>	 Thanks.
[09:58:05] <gleki>	 hello. how can  i restrict what symbols can be used in new users' names?
[10:00:19] <andre__>	 gleki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLegalTitleChars ?
[10:01:21] <SamuelP>	 Hello, I have installed MobileFrontend. I have two wikis wich are in different language. Is there a way to hide 'read in another language' from mobile view?
[10:03:38] <gleki>	 andre__: that affects titles of [all] pages, not only names of users.
[10:03:58] <andre__>	 gleki, how is that different?
[10:08:53] <gleki>	 andre__: i want to allow certain symbols in pages but to disallow them in names of users
[10:09:19] <andre__>	 user names are pages. like User:Whatever
[10:09:30] <andre__>	 ah, other way round.
[10:09:39] <andre__>	 what's the usecase?
[10:13:41] <gleki>	 andre__: i wanted to disable numbers in names of users.
[11:46:29] <aFreshMelon>	 Hello there companions!
[11:46:49] <aFreshMelon>	 Are there any good resources on running MediaWiki in a multi-server auto-scaling environment?
[11:47:02] <aFreshMelon>	 Where do you suggest hosting MediaWiki for more than 200k unique weekly
[12:15:11] <aFreshMelon>	 I'd appreciate if someone could get back to me when they have time. Please just feel free to ping me. Thanks :)
[12:25:13] <Svetlana>	 Hi.
[12:25:34] <Svetlana>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69845 is marked as fixed.  Is it common for tracking bugs to be marked as such?
[12:26:55] <Svetlana>	 Ignore that, I misread.
[13:02:02] <Samuel_P>	 Hello, is there someone who is familiar with MobileFrontend and google-analytics?
[13:03:28] <Samuel_P>	 My issue is adter installing Mobilefrontend my visitors from mobile dropped. The extension itself works, but it messed my google analytic
[13:48:56] <sumanah>	 ok, #wikimedia-operations is on it re the site being down. I wonder why http://status.wikimedia.org/  thinks everything is basically fine
[14:00:26] <wmat>	 does Labs have Oracle instances?
[14:08:20] <Nemo_bis>	 Oh, didn't know, DBConnectionError actually got better recently https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58447
[14:19:28] <Samuel_P>	 Hello, is there someone who is familiar with MobileFrontend and google-analytics? After installing Mobilefrontend my google analytic does not see mobile visitors :( . Does someone have cure for this? thanks
[14:20:24] <sumanah>	 wmat: #wikimedia-labs might know more
[14:20:42] <sumanah>	 Samuel_P: there's a #wikimedia-mobile channel that might know more
[14:21:37] <Samuel_P>	 Thanks. I already asked from there, but havent yet got reply.
[15:11:28] <wmat>	 sumanah: thx
[15:11:34] <sumanah>	 :)
[15:13:14] <Vulpix>	 hi sumanah, there's a bug affecting one WMF wiki, with highest priority for a week. Maybe you know what should be done in such case: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/70686
[15:13:19] <sumanah>	 andre__: ^
[17:35:57] <wmat>	 does the installer generate the database queries based on the user's selections in the web installer pages?
[17:37:30] <bawolff>	 Sort of. Some of the options affect the SQL generated slightly, but its mostly mild
[17:37:52] <bawolff>	 e.g. There's an option to specify whether to use binary or utf-8 as the charset, that will affect the sql issued to create tables
[17:38:08] <bawolff>	 Changing the db backend will change the sql
[17:38:24] <bawolff>	 Selecting the table prefix option will change the name of tables created
[17:38:38] <bawolff>	 Most options though are solely reflected in the LocalSettings.php generated
[17:38:45] <wmat>	 yeah, i see the different backend code in includes/db/...
[17:39:15] <wmat>	 what I'm after is how a SELECT statement gets built during installation for a specific backend
[17:39:38] <bawolff>	 If you look at the sql file (e.g. maintinance/tables.sql ), you'll notice that there's things like /*_*/ which get replaced with certain variables before running the sql
[17:39:39] <wmat>	 i've encountered a bug when installing to Oracle and I'm trying to debug
[17:40:19] <bawolff>	 For select statements, generally they are run through the appropriate DB class (as during normal operation), e.g. includes/db/DatabaseOracle.php
[17:40:25] <wmat>	 bug 71040 if you're interested
[17:40:55] <wmat>	 I know Oracle is poorly supported, but I'm stuck with it
[17:41:01] <bawolff>	 oh crap, I think that's from a change I approved but didn't test on oracle as I didn't have it installed :S
[17:41:37] <wmat>	 heh
[17:42:01] <wmat>	 i think with Oracle10 it would have been fine, as that ORA error didn't exist
[17:42:09] <wmat>	 but with Oracle 11 it triggers
[17:42:41] <bawolff>	 wmat: Probably from this change: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135756/
[17:43:10] <Vulpix>	 wmat: MediaWiki is simply broken in oracle
[17:43:39] <wmat>	 Vulpix: I'm hoping to improve it
[17:43:59] <bawolff>	 Ok, it looks like it isn't special cased for Oracle, so I think its just falling back to using the mysql version of that insert
[17:45:25] <bawolff>	 wmat: I'm not familar with oracle at all. Do you know what the appropriate sql would be?
[17:45:25] <wmat>	 so would it need to be special cased for oracle?
[17:45:55] <wmat>	 bawolff: not off the top of my head, no. I'll have to experiment.
[17:46:35] <wmat>	 bawolff: i have a meeting in 14 minutes, so I can't do it right away
[17:47:32] <bawolff>	 wmat: That's ok. I'll google around, and if I find anything I'll report on bug
[17:48:06] <wmat>	 bawolff: awesome, thanks!
[17:48:22] <wmat>	 I have to get this working this weekend
[17:48:23] <bawolff>	 maybe oracle just doesn't support an INSERT SELECT without a table
[17:48:45] <wmat>	 I'm going to need more beer :/
[17:51:31] <Ulfr_>	 Vulpix: Hey! Sorry I grumped at you last week. I had no idea extending classes was as easy as it was :D
[17:51:52] <Vulpix>	 :)
[17:52:22] <Ulfr_>	 Once I figured it out I was like, oh. It was just that simple. I was a jerk
[17:55:56] <Ulfr_>	 Question to the general room, I've been tasked with removing some pages that have people's jimmies well and truly rustled. Is there a superdelete maintenance script that will remove the delete log from a page? or do I have to go into the database and make it happen
[17:57:09] <bawolff>	 If you give your account suppression rights, then you can revdelete stuff so hard that not even admins can see it
[17:57:14] <Vulpix>	 wmat: in SQLServer, INSERT INTO works only if the target table doesn't exists, in that case, you must use INSERT SELECT: Insert into xxxx (a1, b1, c1) select a2, b2, c2 from yyyy
[17:57:28] <Vulpix>	 maybe oracle has such limitation as well
[17:57:35] <Ulfr_>	 bawolff: I'm the admin, how do I do dis
[17:57:54] <bawolff>	 !revdel
[17:57:54] <wm-bot>	 RevisionDelete can change the visibility of revisions and log entries. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete> for more information.
[17:58:27] <Ulfr_>	 bawolff: The link from that includes the > in the url, by the bye
[17:58:32] <Ulfr_>	 but thanks!
[17:58:40] <bawolff>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete#Enabling is more the page I'm looking for actually
[17:59:09] <bawolff>	 Ulfr_: Blame your irc client :P It should know that no sane person would end a url with >
[17:59:34] <Ulfr_>	 hey man, my little web client does what I need it to!
[18:02:48] <Ulfr_>	 Yess, excellent. That's SO much better than trying to drop records in myslq
[18:02:49] <Ulfr_>	 sql*
[18:03:52] <bawolff>	 Ulfr_: There of course might be limited situations where you need something totally and utterly gone (e.g. if someone posted child porn)
[18:06:41] <wmat>	 bawolff: why did this patch push twice? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/161485/
[18:07:21] <bawolff>	 wmat: I changed your commit message slightly (MW has a convention that bug numbers appear at bottom of commit message)
[18:07:38] <wmat>	 bawolff: thx, my bad
[18:07:41] <wmat>	 bawolff: still learning
[18:08:02] <bawolff>	 Don't worry, its a minor thing
[18:08:36] <Vulpix>	 wmat: also, if for whatever reason you need to ammend that patch later, you'll have to remove the Signed-off-by: line, or move it before the Change-Id:, or gerrit will refuse to accept it
[18:08:55] <Vulpix>	 Change-Id: must be the last line of the commit
[18:09:19] * bawolff did not know that
[18:09:33] <bawolff>	 I guess I've just never tried putting things below the change-id line
[18:09:53] <bawolff>	 For what its worth, usually people don't add signed-off-by lines either, but it really doesn't matter
[18:10:01] <wmat>	 Vulpix: I should probably remove that anyway
[18:10:40] <Vulpix>	 bawolff: on a manual backport with conflicts, git added a Conflict: at the end. I then commited and the push failed. I had to start it over again :(
[18:17:17] <bawolff>	 wmat: Could you test to see if https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71040 works for you?
[18:18:19] <wmat>	 on conf call, in a bit
[18:18:37] <bawolff>	 ok
[18:34:39] <wmat>	 bawolff: testing now
[18:36:01] <wmat>	 bawolff: new error, bug updated
[18:38:44] <bawolff>	 Hmm, maybe without the IGNORE keyword (I updated patch)
[18:40:43] <wmat>	 that did it!
[18:48:18] <bawolff>	 wmat: If you add a comment to the patch, and check the +1 radio button in gerrit, that will mark to other people that you tested it
[18:57:50] * bawolff see's the sitenotice on bugzilla
[18:57:53] <wmat>	 bawolff: yep, doing now
[18:57:56] <bawolff>	 It really is the beginning of the end
[18:58:33] <wmat>	 bawolff: done
[18:59:44] <Vulpix>	 wait, no more bugzilla?
[19:00:19] <Vulpix>	 I'll miss it :_(
[19:01:35] <bawolff>	 Couple weeks allegedly
[19:01:37] <wmat>	 of course, the debugging continues
[19:02:38] <bawolff>	 Vulpix: Me too. I probably spend more time on bugzilla than any other website
[19:02:46] <legoktm>	 really?
[19:02:53] <bawolff>	 hmm, maybe not
[19:02:59] <legoktm>	 I spend way more time on gerrit than bz
[19:03:03] <bawolff>	 I don't know, sometimes it feels like that
[19:03:23] <wmat>	 is Phabricator live now?
[19:03:33] <legoktm>	 live but no one can edit anything
[19:03:37] <bawolff>	 I don't spend that much time on gerrit, as usually I just go there, look very quickly at the comments, download it, and then do git show locally
[19:03:52] <legoktm>	 :o
[19:03:57] <bawolff>	 sometimes I look at diffs on gerrit, but usually just for a quick once over
[19:06:37] <Ulfr_>	 bawolff: Considering it's all on rape and abortion, that's more or less the idea
[19:07:09] <bawolff>	 umm
[19:07:53] <Vulpix>	 it's just me, or phabricator links to bug numbers (or tasks, or whatever they're called) don't have a hover text displaying the title of the bug like bugzilla has?
[19:08:30] <Ulfr_>	 bawolff: (The revdelete stuff from before) had a meeting
[19:08:49] <bawolff>	 Oh, that makes much more sense in that context
[19:09:02] <bawolff>	 I thought you meant the MW code diffs
[19:51:07] <wmat>	 are detailed db connection errors logged in /var/log/messages?
[19:51:45] <wmat>	 the only error message I'm seeing in the browser is "A database query error has occurred."
[19:51:50] <wmat>	 and a warning
[19:52:19] <Vulpix>	 not in /var/log/messages. You should enable the display of SQL errors
[19:52:30] <Vulpix>	 !debug | wmat 
[19:52:30] <wm-bot>	 wmat: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[19:53:24] <wmat>	 Vulpix: thx, i was being lazy :/
[20:00:34] <wmat>	 lovely, the Warning is actually a PHP Fatal Error
[20:12:39] <wmat>	 i should apologize for flooding with Oracle bug reports
[20:18:01] <legoktm>	 wmat: no apology required, in fact thank you for filing them :)
[20:19:32] <wmat>	 np, i really need MW master to work with Oracle :/
[20:19:44] <wmat>	 bbiab, time for a break
[21:32:43] <Nemo_bis>	 !!! https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71063
[21:32:43] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !bribe, !hss, !tss, 
[21:34:40] <Nemo_bis>	 How bawolff can manage being so serious and helpful even in such cases, is something which deserves study :)
[21:35:33] <bawolff>	 I was debating back and forth between that response and "WONTFIX: silly user, you're almost certainly wrong"
[21:36:32] <Nemo_bis>	 What amuses me is that the webserver CRASHES for a "ö"
[21:36:56] <bawolff>	 Oh I didn't even read that part
[21:37:29] <bawolff>	 I skimmed to the part that was replace utf-8 character with windows-1252
[21:41:19] <bawolff>	 How could a utf-8 character cause anything to crash that's remotely modern
[22:04:01] <pi->	 I've got a problem with a file I have uploaded to my wiki, by the name "(2010)_Dynamic_epigenetic_regulation_in_neurons-_enzymes,_stimuli_and_signaling_pathways.pdf"
[22:04:20] <pi->	 If I reference it from the page using [[Media:File:(2010)_Dynamic_epigenetic_regulation_in_neurons-_enzymes,_stimuli_and_signaling_pathways.pdf|*]]
[22:04:38] <pi->	 aha
[22:05:08] <pi->	 [[Media:File:
[22:05:12] <pi->	 dhurr..
[22:05:14] <pi->	 sorry :)
[22:14:51] * wmat suspects oci8 was installed incorrectly
[22:22:14] <wmat>	 nope, it's there
[23:28:20] <CoreyChambers>	 Hey, does anyone have any idea as to why my wiki isn't recognizing changes to MediaWiki pages?
[23:29:56] <Carmela>	 CoreyChambers: Can you be more specific?
[23:30:04] <Carmela>	 Which page are you editing? What's happening?
[23:30:30] <Carmela>	 If you have a link, that would be helpful.
[23:31:07] <CoreyChambers>	 Like for example, I edited the block reasons page (MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown) but for some reason it isn't showing up when I click the dropdown.
[23:33:34] <CoreyChambers>	 Also, when I edit pages like MediaWiki:Grouppage-rollback it isn't working. Just mediawiki pages in general aren't working right
[23:53:53] <CoreyChambers>	 Any idea what the problem may be, Carmela?