[01:57:59] hey guys [01:58:07] im looking for a wiki for my own business for internal use [01:58:13] what do you guys suggest? [01:58:19] mediawiki [01:58:31] lol yea i saw that coming [01:58:54] but why do you suggest it over dokuwiki or pmwiki? [02:00:01] i know it better [02:01:05] heropt: what do you want to store in the wiki? [02:01:19] mediawiki has a lot of extensions, and it has been put to all sorts of uses over the years, so if you need it to do X, there's a good chance that someone else has already made it do that [02:01:50] Yaron: i will be storing our customers details [02:02:49] and also i will be keeping notes of their server status, when it goes down i want to have a place where i can take note of that and add my own note [02:03:21] so if server goes down we call the cst he knows, tomorrow when someone checks i want them to look at the details and see that we already informed tha cst about that situation [02:03:33] does media wiki supports tabs? [02:03:38] like for articles [02:03:47] Yes. [02:03:54] !e Header_Tabs [02:03:54] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Header_Tabs [02:04:04] customer page = article , tab for CST details like ip passwords etc, then another one for server report [02:04:33] can the wiki be privatE? [02:04:36] With MediaWiki, you can create a form for storing and editing all that information, using the Semantic Forms extension. [02:04:38] only logins can view the info ? [02:04:40] !e Semantic_Forms [02:04:40] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms [02:04:45] Yes. [02:05:46] ok [02:05:51] doesnt hurt to try [02:06:02] why does the channel wiki says [02:06:06] we do not support mediawiki? [02:06:10] friction going on? [02:06:21] hm? [02:06:27] the topic says "Welcome to the support channel of MediaWiki" [02:07:27] This channel is about wiki software and culture. Note that we do not support #MediaWiki here. | Choose an engine: http://www.wikimatrix.org/ [02:07:43] im talking about the channel wiki [02:07:47] heropt: You must have gotten redirected from a different channel? [02:08:07] This channel's topic is: [02:08:09] Welcome to the support channel of MediaWiki | https://www.mediawiki.org | https://bugs.mediawiki.org | FAQ: https://bit.ly/mwFAQ | Stable release: 1.23.4 | Legacy release: 1.22.11, 1.19.19 | Don't flood, use https://dpaste.de | Channel logs: https://bit.ly/Ks9kYa | Dev channel: #wikimedia-dev | Download nightly: https://bit.ly/mwNightly [02:08:47] there's no friction with #wiki; mediawiki is quite popular so i imagine a lot of people end up there assuming the channel is mediawiki-specific [02:16:04] oh wow [02:16:10] this seems hard to customize [02:18:31] heropt: what does? [02:21:14] is tehre an option that allows user to read and add content [02:21:18] but not delete whats there [02:31:17] No. [02:32:50] is there an option to not allow user registration? [02:33:09] and to prevent unregistered people form reading my wiki [02:33:26] Yes. [02:49:45] heropt, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [10:10:32] Hi. Is there any OAuth admin around? I like to change my OAuth app setting to just get access on a site instead getting global access, is it possible? [12:29:33] hy all , been wondering (sorry if my question is dumb) if there is any category manager in mediawiki ? [13:15:33] Hello. I'm running vagrant on OSX, and getting DB connection error when I run the update script. This is what my LocalSettings.php looks like: https://dpaste.de/qNYg#L126,131,132,133,135 The trace of the error is highlighted in the end (it's not part of LocalSettings). [14:31:40] Niharika: That output looks like you are running the update.php maintenance script on your Mac instead of inside the Vagrant managed vitrual machine. [14:33:56] Niharika: I would expect that if you are using MediaWiki-Vagrant you would be running `vagrant provision` to update the virtual machine and then if you need a one-off maintenance script run it by first using `vagrant ssh` to connect into the virtual machine. [14:36:19] bd808: Thanks! I'll try doing that. [14:37:50] Niharika: Inside MdiaWiki-Vagrant you'll need to use our mwscript wrapper to run a maintenance script correctly. `mwscript update.php --wiki=wiki` would be the normal invocation for updating the database. [14:38:25] bd808: Okay. I did it the normal way for now. It worked fine. Thanks for the help. [14:38:33] cool [14:55:37] Hi, we are are building an application that needs to search for points of interest around a certain set of coordinates. As direct calls to Wikipedia will be slow and may put too much stress on web servers, we decided to download the Wikipedia database, according to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download does anyone have any advices or experience with such tasks? Thank you [14:57:42] Artiom: with downloading a file? [14:58:04] With building applications around Wikipedia geo data. [15:03:01] Artiom: basically, look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoData#list.3Dgeosearch and see how that code works in https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FGeoData/824a43d92a101d867b89f2c8385cf62453295873/api%2FApiQueryGeoSearch.php then implement the same sort of thing [15:05:15] Ok, thank you for information. [16:53:55] qgil: robla http://dxr.mozilla.org [16:54:25] like http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ [16:55:29] (neat) [16:55:57] yes! [17:08:22] RoanKattouw: are you perchance passing through NYC on any of your Europe-related travels anytime soon? [17:09:00] sumanah: I am not, but I also have nothing in particular planned for November [17:10:39] Well, RoanKattouw if you swing by and I'm around, we should grab a beverage [17:10:57] Yes [17:11:33] I haven't planned any domestic travel in the near future but I do want to visit the East Coast for real some time [17:12:00] we have a transit museum [17:12:37] btw RoanKattouw: if you wanted to give a guest lecture at Hacker School sometime I could possibly get you in [17:12:53] oooh [17:12:56] That would be ool [17:12:58] cool even [17:13:01] :) [17:13:16] for instance on object-oriented JavaScript [17:19:25] hi liangent - hope you are doing well [17:21:19] Hi sumanah! :) [17:21:23] Hi! [17:40:24] Derric Atzrott just performed quite a mitzvah. Go you [17:40:29] (I don't think he does IRC) [17:47:50] sumanah: what did he do? [17:48:23] harej: wikitech-l post - summarizing a big complicated issue [17:48:43] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-September/078842.html [17:49:01] wow, he even had a table of contents [17:51:08] yes!! [17:54:31] Wow that's quite the email. [17:54:33] Yeah! [17:54:47] Hi rmoen! wishing you well [17:55:13] sumanah: Thank you [18:34:47] http://lwn.net/Articles/504814/ "To understand what makes good documentation we need to mine the experiences from that short window of naive interest to find out what works and what doesn't. A question that seems most suited for digging is 'What were you looking for that you didn't find'." [18:40:13] Interesting, sumanah [18:41:52] I force users to give me that answer before I provide any reply ;) [19:12:48] Does anybody have a rough idea of how large an empty MediaWiki implementation is? [19:14:51] I just want an estimate [19:15:40] If I have $wgMainCacheType set to CACHE_NONE, what effect does that have on InstantCommons? Will it still know to check back with Commons after a certain amount of time for thumbnails, descriptions, etc.? [19:18:15] Howie: "implementation"? [19:40:43] MatmaRex: install/setup take your pick. [19:44:34] MatmaRex: installation? [19:44:50] I hope that fits. [19:46:11] Howie: the files are about 70 MB, most of this is all the translations [19:46:31] Howie: the database of a newly installed MediaWiki is probably a couple kilobytes at most [19:47:10] So a raw MediaWiki implementation is only roughly 70 Mbytes? [19:47:14] depends on your caching setup; if you have no dedicated cache, MW will cache some things in the database, making it somewhat larger (a few megabytes) [19:47:46] Goodnes, that is way off my initial 1Gbyte estimate! [19:47:54] Howie: yeah, i guess. [19:47:55] heh [19:48:36] Howie: i wonder what you're trying to do? [19:49:20] I am trying to get an estimate of how much data I control. I am trying to factor several different MediaWiki installations (perhaps 5) into the total amount of data. [19:50:03] as far as I can tell this is a beaurocratic exercise. [20:00:11] I try to update via the web interface using a fresh MW with an old DB. It now wants to update the old tables > I get a timeout. I want to run update.php but it asks for LocalSettings.php. I can't skip that step in the web installer to create the LocalSettings.php. What can I do? [20:09:42] I'm using the LdapAuthentication extension. Recently it started failing to start a TLS connection - ldap_start_tls() - and I've been unable to figure out why. I can't pin down exactly when it failed because of saved credentials, but it appears to have coincided with patching done for shellshock [20:13:29] I have a simple script for testing the connections ala http://pastebin.com/pTs9LUaY and that reports ldap_start_tls as succeeding. However, if I copy the exact set of lines into the LdapAuthentication.php it reports ldap_start_tls as failing. I'm a bit at a loss. Anyone have any ideas? [20:14:20] Looks like a fake LocalSetting.php with $wgDB vars is all it needs :) [21:14:23] hi guys, some of the citation links in many pages are broken...is there a bot in place to remove those dead links which result in 404 [21:15:01] just an observation/suggestion...i don't even know if this is the right place [21:15:42] hi ppai [21:15:57] MatmaRex, hi [21:16:20] ppai: you probably want to ask on #wikipedia-en rather than here [21:16:36] MatmaRex, thanks [21:16:41] i think there are some bots running that find such links and attempt to search for archived versions [21:16:54] but that's not really something i follow closely [21:17:18] MatmaRex, it doesn't really bother me but just something to look at [21:58:42] Anyone know if load.php requires a database connection? (and what else it needs?) [22:18:28] I'm using the LdapAuthentication extension. Recently it started failing to start a TLS connection - ldap_start_tls() - and I've been unable to figure out why. I can't pin down exactly when it failed because of saved credentials, but it appears to have coincided with patching done for shellshock [22:18:42] I have a simple script for testing the connections http://pastebin.com/pTs9LUaY and that reports ldap_start_tls as succeeding. However, if I copy the exact set of lines into the LdapAuthentication.php it reports ldap_start_tls as failing. I'm a bit at a loss. Anyone have any ideas? [22:25:00] FOUND [22:25:10] oops, ww [22:32:39] Is there a way to make a wiki hub? [22:33:43] Agent_Isai: what do you mean by a wiki hub? [22:33:58] like link wiki's to each other [22:34:05] link them in what way? [22:34:21] make pages that link to each other, or share accounts, or what exactly? [22:34:22] part of a wiki network [22:34:38] like wikipedia and wikibooks and wiktionary are, you mean? [22:34:42] yes [22:34:48] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family [22:35:03] Oh [22:35:07] Thank you [22:35:12] you're welcome! [23:51:30] hi all, I'm making a skin, and I'm trying to output the categories into a special page, by making a simple extension, but my "this" is all wrong, and I don't know how to get it right - can anyone help me understand this? [23:51:59] here's the line from the mediawiki skinning guide: [23:52:03] html( 'catlinks' ); ?> [23:53:27] my thought was tha tI could just make a special page containing just that, but the "this" isn't the right "this" [23:54:57] sinix: There already is a special page listing all the categories(?) [23:55:16] yeah, but that lists ALL categories - I'm just looking to print out a page's categories [23:58:01] sinix: Ah. Well, the $this in the manual refers to the class it is contained in, SkinTemplate IIRC. To create your special page you will have to somehow tell it what page it should list the categories for. [23:58:38] sinix: From the name of the page you could the [23:59:15] ...then create the respective object for the page and I would bet that there is some method somewhere to get you the categories.