[01:10:18] Hi all. I deployed out an update to mediawiki to get me to 1.23.5. I did the update part in the maintenance folder, and now I'm going through mw-config. However, I get this error out of the blue. http://i.imgur.com/POidOXq.png -- This was never a problem before. [01:10:52] The folder does populates, so permissions are correct. What can I do to troubleshoot this? This error happens in chrome/firefox/ie. [01:32:08] Carmela: im in ur brain crossin ur signals [01:34:09] !wptemplates [01:34:09] To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension, Scribunto extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css. You'll also need a lot of... [01:45:58] !wptemplates [01:45:58] To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension, Scribunto extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css. You'll also need a lot of... [01:46:14] this [01:46:17] this feels dumb [01:46:24] guys, i want to just use font_color [01:46:27] what do i need for that [01:46:50] i have mediawiki 1.23 or 24 with parserfunctions appearing to be included already [01:52:20] Legendary_sama: where do you want font_color to appear specifically? [01:52:41] on a page on my wiki [01:53:05] i just want to use the Font_color template to color a few simple elements [01:53:17] Legendary_sama: what Font_color template? [01:53:34] Template:Font_Color [01:54:01] it's a locked global page on wikipedia. surely you've heard of it. [01:54:02] do you mean en.wikipedia.org's version of that template? [01:54:06] yea, sure. [01:54:09] but on my wiki. [01:54:27] first of all, is your wiki licensed under cc-by-sa? [01:54:48] no, it's liscensed CC-NC-SA [01:55:04] then you're not allowed to use anything from Wikipedia on your wiki [01:56:06] yes [01:56:07] I am [01:56:16] I have an exemption under fair use [01:56:26] copying an entire template is not fair use [01:56:37] nobody here will help you since you admit you're violating our licenses [01:56:43] What. [01:56:51] Legendary_sama: Can you link to your wiki? [01:57:14] Legendary_sama: Usually copying templates involving copying the wiki page, perhaps wiki subpages, and some CSS. [01:57:25] Involves, not involving. [01:57:30] Except that the font_color template is just 3 lines of text [01:57:56] and I couldn't initially get access to the copy on wikipedia [01:58:10] so i first copied off a commercial wiki for a company that has an entirely non-cc liscense [01:58:52] it gave me trouble so i worked to figure out what the wikipedia one looked like but their font_color template is letter-for-letter identical to wikipedias [01:59:27] my wiki, i'm afraid to say, is not yet presentable to the public for examination. It is a religious wiki containing my theological texts and personal creative ramblings. [01:59:57] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Font_color&action=edit [02:00:01] Links are helpful. [02:00:10] So you copied that code? [02:00:15] yea i know that link, very well now, yes [02:00:17] You don't need to part. [02:00:31] to copy over * [02:00:45] So what happens when you use the template? [02:01:00] jackmcbarn: Insofar as I set up mediawiki i was not informed that an CC-NC-SA license would not be allowed to copy wikipedia content during the setup phase. it presented me with a clear choice and said if i picked one of these four i could include wikipedia content. [02:01:03] That template doesn't use ParserFunctions, I don't think. [02:01:23] Legendary_sama: you can change it if you want, as long as you own the copyright to all of the wiki's content [02:01:30] The copyright issue is tangential. [02:01:35] What happens when you call that template on your wiki? [02:02:03] what happens is that the output text on my page, not the markup text i wrote, appears exactly as follows: [02:02:05] {{safesubst:#if:Note: sometimes dumps your clipboard into chat. Very rare. Not my fault. Buy a faster computer!|Note: sometimes dumps your clipboard into chat. Very rare. Not my fault. Buy a faster computer!|yellow}} [02:02:22] it renders with the second instance of the duplicated string highlighted with a yellow background, as intended [02:02:31] but with the rest of the text showing, which is not intended [02:02:46] Legendary_sama: What's the code you're using to invoke the template? [02:03:02] Also, yes, there is an #if: in there. [02:03:06] {{Font color||yellow|Note: sometimes dumps your clipboard into chat. Very rare. Not my fault. Buy a faster computer!}} [02:03:36] What version of MediaWiki? [02:03:43] .23 or 24? [02:03:45] like, a month ago [02:03:48] probably .23 [02:04:06] And you're sure that ParserFunctions is installed (it shows up Special:Version)? [02:04:14] Installed and vaguely compatible. [02:04:25] It could be the safesubst, but that's been around for quite some time now. [02:04:26] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Font_color&diff=367450956&oldid=362176085 [02:04:40] Feels like just yesterday. [02:05:04] it is included as a folder in my extensions, but no, it isn't on that page [02:05:16] Then you need to install the ParserFunctions extension. :-) [02:05:22] Requires editing LocalSettings.php (the file). [02:05:28] !e ParserFunctions [02:05:28] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions [02:05:29] so.. it's installed i just need to enable it [02:05:29] cool [02:05:34] Yep. [02:06:01] to go back to the tangenial discussion, im pretty sure i cant allow proprietary derivations of a religion. [02:06:06] we dont need any more cults [02:06:31] That's not how copyright works. [02:06:33] Or religion. [02:06:57] what if it did? [02:06:59] In this specific case, "Template:Font color" probably doesn't meet the creativity threshold for copyright in the U.S. [02:07:03] What if. :-) [02:07:06] scientology. [02:07:21] And even if it did, I'm not sure that's how CC-NC really works... [02:07:35] In any case, I'm glad we've likely solved the technical issue. [02:07:44] i dont need any more ron hubbards compiling my metaphysical literature into an ideology fundamentally apposed to my intent to create an open-source and free religion [02:07:57] the SA keeps them from doing that already [02:08:04] jackmcbarn: Would InstantCommons be disallowed on a CC-NC-SA wiki? [02:08:23] * jackmcbarn looks [02:08:25] In your understanding. I hate copyright. [02:08:40] Public domain for everything. [02:09:25] Carmela: i'd say that InstantCommons are fine, since wiki pages don't become a derivative work of the images, but they do become a derivative work of templates they use [02:09:38] sort of like the link against vs. fork/exec nonsense [02:09:51] InstantCommons uses a local cache. [02:09:57] It downloads and stores the images. [02:10:06] Doesn't that rise above the level of simply linking? [02:10:18] the issue isn't the downloading; it's the derivative work issue [02:10:28] i am also allowed to use instantcommons on my wiki [02:10:33] that you are. [02:10:33] jackmcbarn: Interesting. [02:10:45] So if you pulled the template directly on to your wiki and didn't modify it, would that be okay? [02:10:59] if you didn't transclude it, it would be [02:11:07] Transclusion creates the derivative? [02:11:09] but transcluding it from a page makes the page a derivative work [02:11:10] yes [02:11:14] Insane. [02:11:17] IANAL [02:11:21] Right. [02:11:22] But still. [02:11:23] but that's my best interpretation [02:11:26] as for code, derivative work, fine, i could just put a copy of the wikipedia license on that page.. it's not like my mediawiki isn't already showing the mediawiki license to any would-be visitors [02:11:31] Can I just reïterate that I hate copyright? [02:11:34] sure [02:12:04] is jack a copywrite schill? [02:12:08] no [02:12:52] purely to go tangenial, i'm going to give you two choices and the count of ten: get your work included with accreditation and limited protection for your work specifically + included license text or [02:13:03] get your work reverse-engineered in a charlie-sheen approved white-room [02:14:24] if you want to clean-room our templates to avoid our (quite permissive by most standards) licensing, go for it [02:15:00] everything becomes public-domain if you have enough time and energy to alter the material to the point where it no longer resembles the original.. academic plagerism is just a codeword for slow the students down so we can get our money [02:16:21] plagiarism [02:18:07] technically, you transclude any time you include a closed-source or even provided-source licensed proprietary code/ binary for a driver or requisite program library into any kind of operating system or software... by that definition, legally, a lot of things we take for granted couldnt exist [02:18:23] * Carmela NP: "California King Bed" by Rihanna from "Loud" [02:19:42] Legendary_sama: how so? the point of drivers is that programs just have to call the os, and not worry about the driver [02:20:08] howso? the point of my wiki space is that my page simply has to call the other page, and not worry about the code [02:20:28] after all, my users never see the code, nor does it impact the content presented to them in any objective way [02:20:53] it becomes part of the page they see [02:20:56] no, it doesnt. [02:21:04] yes it does. view the html source of a wikipedia page [02:21:04] the only page they see is html text. [02:21:08] all the templates are baked into it [02:22:07] meh, just bake me some brownies. given a few hundred centuries, there wont be a wikipedia to speak of. [02:23:38] a concession is that my wiki for all copyable purposes consists exclusively of text or included files and all of my wiki content including the wiki php source itself remain property of wikimedia [02:24:11] my copywrite only applies to the text itself and not to any of the code, since that code is still letter-for-letter identical with the source obtained from wikimedia [02:25:52] Mediawiki 1.23.5 upgrade from 1.21. http://i.imgur.com/POidOXq.png -- I'm stuck on this and never had this issue before. What can I do to torubleshoot this, as this happens in chrome,firefox, ie. [02:27:13] Hello, I am trying to clone a project repo using ssh, and I am being asked for the id_rsa password, where do I get that info or is it just my own sssh passphrase? [02:27:27] also, this is to enable me to subit a patch [02:30:40] nevermind working now [02:41:16] Can anybody kindly help me on the port changing when configuring the mediawiki [02:41:43] The wiki worked well before I change the port from 80 to 8080 [02:43:07] but under 8080, the wiki pages looks weird [03:30:29] hi [03:31:23] ... [03:36:42] Hi. [03:45:10] http://i.imgur.com/POidOXq.png -- I know I may sound like a broken record, but I still cannot seem to solve this. My wiki was working 1.21, but during upgrade, I ran into this. What can I do to troubleshoot this? [03:47:47] Sokel: Did you check that session.save_path is set appropriately? [03:47:50] It's a PHP configuration setting. [03:49:31] It has been. [03:49:37] Again, this was never an issue in 1.21. [03:49:53] It points to /var/lib/php/session, which is the default in my other systems. [03:51:48] The folder gets filled with sess_* files, after I clear it out when i try to progress [04:11:31] Hello, I just created a Mediawiki on my own server and I'm starting to add pages. I'm finding out that Mediawiki lacks a TON of features that Wikia offers, and I'm wondering if there's any way to get those features on mediawiki. For example... [04:12:10] one feature I'm begging for right now is seeing and searching through my wiki's catgory list to choose which ones a currently-being-edited-page should go into. [04:12:23] Otherwise I have to just remember, or search manually by guess-and-check [04:22:55] Does anyone know anything about improving the base MediaWiki software to something more like Wikia? [05:18:48] neochronomo: That's a pretty vague question. [05:38:09] Hello - anyone in here? [05:38:45] Im making a extension and the last problem is that media keeps turning my amphersands into & anyone know how to fix this? [05:42:01] Im making a extension and the last problem is that media keeps turning my amphersands into & anyone know how to fix this? [05:47:58] Im making a extension and the last problem is that media keeps turning my amphersands into & anyone know how to fix this? [05:56:08] Im making a extension and the last problem is that media keeps turning my amphersands into & anyone know how to fix this? [06:18:27] hi! [06:19:15] Could someone please explain what is meant by the message: "Your shell access was granted" ? [07:15:41] Upgrade from 1.21 to 1.23.5, I'm at this error: http://i.imgur.com/POidOXq.png -- This error has never appeared, nor was this ever a problem in the past. What can I do to troubleshoot this? The path is set in php.conf to /var/lib/php/session and the folder gets filled with new files. [07:30:36] Hello, I am working on the FOSS Outreach Program and trying to get in touch with one of the Project's mentors Ori livneh. Would anyone have an irc handle or email addrress I could use to get in contact? [07:30:38] thank you [07:31:03] whoops, I mean FOSS Outreach Program Application [07:31:53] memeht: It's ori only. But you'd be in better luck if you try to catch him after ~7-8 hours, I think. [07:34:06] Do you mean "ori" is the correct irc handle? [07:55:51] hi [07:56:35] I'm having some problems compiling media_build tree [07:57:50] if I use "make menuconfig" to enable only drivers I need, the only option is "built-in" [07:58:14] but I would like to heve them as modules [07:58:19] *have [08:45:46] hello all, [08:45:55] i asked my question some days a go [08:47:30] about my wiki which show internal error when a guy registred in my wiki instead of sending email, the smtp service is worked well before, but there is some days which show error, i checked all logs, there is n log related to wiki, so intersting for me. i asked admin, nothing done [08:47:42] could anybody has experience on this [08:47:47] to help me?? [12:16:25] about my wiki which show internal error when a guy registred in my wiki instead of sending email, the smtp service is worked well before, but there is some days which show error, i checked all logs, there is n log related to wiki, so intersting for me. i asked admin, nothing done [01:47] could anybody has experience on this [12:54:23] I am working on bug 31331 [12:55:22] For that I want to see where the bug occurs so that I can understand it more clearly [12:55:50] I have read and understood the code as mentioned in the corresponding comments [13:07:39] Hi [13:08:02] I am new here and dont know how to seek help [13:08:44] Well I am importing a mediawiki database but when importing is done it shows me empty set [13:09:01] there is no tables present in that DB [13:09:16] Am I asking at right place? [14:25:34] hello. is emptying l10n_cache table safe? [14:27:09] yes [14:58:38] How do you upload a favicon? [15:25:07] !wg Favicon [15:25:07] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFavicon [15:25:20] BOOM. [15:25:24] Headshot. [15:25:27] Agent_Isai: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFavicon [15:28:34] Thank you [16:39:34] I'm trying to use the DynamicPageList extension (both the mediawiki and the third party versions), but in both cases making them into a template that accepts variables seems problematic. Anyone able to use arguments with these extensions? [17:56:38] Hello. How can I configure MediaWiki to change the URL when redirecting? Wikipedia and MediaWiki.org do this, but my local installation doesn't. Is it a setting or extension or special version that I should use? I'm running MW 1.23.5. [17:58:00] garply: you mean redirecting using wikitext #REDIRECT? that was a new feature added recently [17:58:41] garply: Wikimedia wikis currently run 1.25 pre-alpha :) 1.24 release is slated for november iirc [17:59:11] Ah OK, is this a feature of 1.24? [18:00:05] i'm looking it up [18:01:48] garply: the change is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/143852/ and it will be included in the 1.24 release [18:02:47] MatmaRex: alright, thank you :) [21:01:03] hi, can someone please help me with fixing the error on gu.wiki that I am getting due to some Lua modules? [21:01:53] please see [[gu:w:હુદહુદ_(ચક્રવાત)]] for the error that I am getting [21:02:06] [[gu:હુદહુદ (ચક્રવાત)]] [21:02:44] https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B9%E0%AB%81%E0%AA%A6%E0%AA%B9%E0%AB%81%E0%AA%A6_(%E0%AA%9A%E0%AA%95%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%B0%E0%AA%B5%E0%AA%BE%E0%AA%A4) [21:04:18] Dhaval: your invoking a script that doesnt exist (Namespace detect/data) [21:05:13] Betacommand: I have created a few pages in Module namespace, but each time I create one page, it gives name of another as missing [21:06:11] Dhaval: most enwiki modules are fairly involved. What module are you trying to copy over? [21:06:50] I just wanted to import Template:infobox Hurricane [21:08:00] also noticed somewhere it said that default type is Wikitext, while something else is scibunto [21:09:27] Betacommand: one of the imports I did yesterday caused all this, can't figure out now, which template did so, tried reverting a few changes, but to no luck [21:09:43] Dhaval: One sec [21:09:52] thank you [21:12:25] Dhaval: all of https://tools.wmflabs.org/paste/view/ec99a411 those templates need imported at the same time [21:12:45] ashley, ping [21:13:58] Dhaval: odds are you imported some but not all of those [21:14:06] does anyone here know how to revert to regular user profiles when moving away from the SocialProfile extension? [21:15:17] Betacommand, I did try to import all at https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Import [21:15:41] but it failed at some point, which caused all this chaos [21:21:50] Can't save non-default content model with $wgContentHandlerUseDB disabled: model is wikitext, default for Module:Namespace_detect/data is Scribunto is the error message I am getting while importing some [21:22:51] Dhaval: you can try maually copy/pasting the data then [21:23:12] Betacommand: thanks. Could get over it by downloading 2 missing module namespace pages [21:23:46] any idea what does the above error mean? [21:25:03] and lastly, see this page: https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B8%E0%AA%AD%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%AF:KartikMistry/Test [21:25:11] Dhaval: its an odd error [21:26:08] OK Betacommand, the above page says "Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module `Module:Category handler/shared' not found." but "Module:Category handler/shared" is very much there on gu.wiki [21:26:52] Dhaval: do me a favor and write up the details and email wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org [21:27:25] OK, will do [21:27:31] thanks for your help Betacommand [22:39:16] hi [22:39:31] whats the best way to have mediawiki work on multiple browsers [22:39:36] or atleast find errors [23:10:01] I would like to generate a diff draft of a page without saving the original content. Is that possible [23:10:02] ?