[05:50:27] <dlenski>	 Does anyone here have experience with the mwclient Python library? (Or am I in the wrong place for such things?)
[06:28:20] <sixtwo62>	 Anyone talking tonight?
[06:33:11] <sixtwo62>	 Anyone talking tonight?
[07:43:41] <pabs3>	 I just discovered an ancient mediawiki install (1.19.0), where can I find patches for 1.19.0 -> 1.19.8? they are missing from https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.19/
[07:45:54] <pabs3>	 or is it possible to just update from 1.19.0 to 1.19.20 in one step?
[07:47:08] <Nemo_bis>	 lol ancient, what  adjecive would you use for the hundreds 1.10 wikis around then :P
[07:47:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Yes it is. In fact you can update from 1.19.0 to 1.23.5 in one step too
[08:50:49] <niekas>	 Hi, is it possible to make Math formulas images not to be blurry in all the wikipedia.org?
[08:52:31] <niekas>	 I mean does some kind of setting exist, which could set Math formula rendering with MathJax or other technique?
[08:52:59] <niekas>	 in my browser
[09:02:50] <niekas>	 Ok I found this bug report https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32696, hope it will be fixed shortly.
[10:20:15] <heartsmagic>	 hello. my mediawiki install stop showing differences on diff pages. What can be the problem or how can i debug it? I'll appriciate for any help.
[10:27:06] <Reedy>	 heartsmagic: What does it do?
[10:27:40] <Reedy>	 Blank page?
[10:27:56] <heartsmagic>	 it just says: (no diff)  Reedy 
[10:28:01] <heartsmagic>	 and i'm sure there is
[10:28:22] <heartsmagic>	 now i checked again, i had been using wikidiff2, now i disabled it again same result
[10:40:57] <heartsmagic>	 when i run DifferenceEngine.php it says: PHP Fatal error:  Class 'ContextSource' not found in /var/www/wiki/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php on line 36
[10:41:19] <Reedy>	 run it how?
[10:42:17] <heartsmagic>	 with php-cli :)
[10:42:30] <heartsmagic>	 i don't know it is suitable, but i don't know any debug method
[10:42:40] <Reedy>	 It's a false positive
[10:42:48] <heartsmagic>	 ok then
[10:42:54] <Reedy>	 Because the other dependant classes aren't autoloaded, so you'll get fatals like that
[10:44:15] <heartsmagic>	 so, what can be the problem? any idea?
[10:44:49] <heartsmagic>	 as I said wikidiff2 is not working either
[10:49:10] <Reedy>	 heartsmagic: Enabling some debugging might help
[10:49:11] <Reedy>	 !debug
[10:49:11] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[10:50:38] <heartsmagic>	 thank you Reedy , I'll dig this
[11:01:27] <heartsmagic>	 ok, problem is wikidiff2 extension, I managed to fix internal diff engine
[11:01:30] <heartsmagic>	 thank you Reedy 
[11:02:55] <Reedy>	 yay
[11:03:58] <heartsmagic>	 maybe my distro's package is the problem. I'll try to use the git version
[11:18:21] <heartsmagic>	 definetely wikidiff2 problem, git does not work either
[11:32:25] <heartsmagic>	 ok, drop a bug record to wikidiff2. good days everyone, thanks again Reedy 
[11:33:35] <zuzak>	 is there a wgUseRealNamesInSpecialContributions anywhere?
[11:34:01] * zuzak isn't sure where real names are actually used
[11:34:34] <Reedy>	 Email stuff i think
[11:34:39] <Reedy>	 !wg EnotifUseRealName
[11:34:39] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnotifUseRealName
[11:44:54] <MC8>	 oh it's used for the credits in the footer
[11:45:11] <MC8>	 maybe we should squelch the "real name is used for attribution" message in prefs if $wgMaxCredits == 0
[11:45:21] <Nemo_bis>	 wikidiff3 is the default in MediaWiki? O_o https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:WikEdDiff&diff=0&oldid=1222423
[14:40:37] <jdcaddie>	 how do I change the tab names at the top of pages? (ie: page and discussion)
[14:50:31] <sapristi>	 hello
[14:50:41] <sapristi>	 im having a problem with my wiki
[14:50:56] <sapristi>	 all images links went broken after a system update
[14:51:18] <sapristi>	 i have tried various maintenance scripts but none did the trick :(
[14:51:50] <sapristi>	 anyone knows what's to do in this case ?
[14:56:56] <jdcaddie>	 Bump: how do I change the tab names at the top of pages? (ie: page and discussion)
[14:58:04] <Reedy>	  !namespace
[14:58:07] <Reedy>	 !namespace
[14:58:08] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces for user help and documentation, and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace for administration. For adding namespaces, see !extranamespace
[14:59:54] <jdcaddie>	 Thanks!
[15:51:33] <rigid>	 ouch... i _just_ setup REL1_24 commit dee6e268e1, created a page called "GeoEvent_Random_Overview", saved it. It shows fine, but when I go edit it again, it shows empty
[15:52:05] <rigid>	 oh, cache issue... reloading the page solves it. no need for alarm :)
[16:00:50] <Ulfr_>	 This may or may not be related to MW coding, but I am losing my mind here. Is there any instance in which placing a (a+b) > c type statement in an if clause wouldn't be regarded as a math thing?
[16:01:36] <Ulfr_>	 because I'm trying to determine if a database return + 30 is greater than the current time, and php seems to think that it's always false or always true.
[16:02:02] <Reedy>	 strings?
[16:02:33] <Ulfr_>	 Reedy: That's what I thought too, but when I checked the math with an echo statement it returns a negative number
[16:02:40] <Ulfr_>	 which happens to be correct
[16:03:06] <Ulfr_>	 Reedy: http://pastebin.com/vpQtP6Zq
[16:03:20] <Reedy>	 var_dump( a, b, c ) ?
[16:03:31] <Reedy>	 also, use elseif
[16:06:15] <Ulfr_>	 Reedy: Vardump indicates it's string(10) "1412974183" 
[16:07:24] <Ulfr_>	 but dis: echo time() - $res1->current()->timestamp + 30 gives 328682
[16:12:16] <Ulfr_>	 I've got it properly cast now so it's using an int, but I still haven't the ofggiest how I wronged this if statement
[16:18:18] <rigid>	 now that's a bug: http://boogiepalace.hopto.org/stuff/1413303516302699360.png
[16:18:24] <rigid>	 "active Authors: -1" :D
[16:18:46] <Ulfr_>	 That's a database error being parsed as a string I think
[16:18:48] <Ulfr_>	 xD
[16:19:11] <rigid>	 Ulfr_: really? I don't experience db errors that I know of
[16:19:16] <rigid>	 everything seems to work
[16:19:52] <Ulfr_>	 rigid: It's probably not too terribly serious, just sometimes a result set errors out and slips in a casual -1 instead of a result set if something borked
[16:19:58] <Ulfr_>	 makes if statements and such error out
[16:20:14] <rigid>	 i see
[16:20:32] <Ulfr_>	 No idea. I'm a programmer and still can't do equality comparisons right
[16:20:40] <Ulfr_>	 so I could be so totally wrong
[16:20:55] <rigid>	 Ulfr_: running maintenance/update.php once solved it
[16:21:07] <Ulfr_>	 Yep!
[16:21:10] <rigid>	 well, "solved"... it's 0 now. it should be 1 i guess
[16:21:19] <Ulfr_>	 presumably if the page exists there is an author
[16:22:12] <Ulfr_>	 Reedy: I figured it out. Thanks for the nudge :)
[17:10:07] <MatmaRex>	 !sal
[17:10:07] <wm-bot>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Admin_Log
[17:29:45] <alisha>	 hello
[17:30:01] <alisha>	 i am working on bug 31331
[17:30:14] <alisha>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31331
[17:30:43] <alisha>	 I want to know the output of json production
[17:31:14] <Reedy>	 What do you mean?
[17:31:15] <alisha>	 Where JavaScriptffs.php is used?
[17:32:33] <alisha>	 The file i have mentioned is producing json manually
[17:33:08] <alisha>	 I want to know which file is it creating? 
[17:34:32] <alisha>	 Reedy: I want to know the usage of JavaScriptffs.php file i.e. which file is using this?
[17:35:06] <Reedy>	 I'm guessing it's used via a maintenance script for the actual exports
[17:37:02] <Reedy>	 alisha: scripts/export.php
[17:39:00] <alisha>	 Ok thank you
[17:39:23] <alisha>	 Can you tell me where can I see the hierarchy of the extension
[17:39:41] <alisha>	 So that I can get familiar with the flow of data
[17:40:17] <Reedy>	 I don't think anything exists other than the code itself
[17:40:18] <alisha>	 ok
[18:08:04] <cholin>	 Hey. Is there a way to get all links of a wiki page through the query API sorted by occurrences? I'm stucked with alphabetically order here.
[18:13:54] <Reedy>	 cholin: no
[18:36:38] <cholin>	 Reedy: ok. Thanks for the info. Do you have an idea how to get that data anyhow? Do I have to manually parse the page content?
[18:36:55] <Reedy>	 You're meaning links on a specific page, right?
[18:37:45] <cholin>	 yea
[18:38:29] <Reedy>	 I think parsing the page would be the only way
[18:39:13] <cholin>	 hm ok. Thanks!
[19:11:40] <that_leeds_guy>	 Hello :) does any one have a little free time to help me work through this issue? My media wiki install isn't letting edit it for some reason and I can't work out why it wont update when I save edit .....
[19:11:58] <BeepBoop>	 Hey I was wondering if anyone could help a total wiki novice (and I mean total, sorry for the head ache) I've been handed the reigns to a site running media wiki 1.16, my version says I'm running PHP 5.2.17, my web host is now going to start charging me extra $ for any site I'm using that isn't PhP 5.3+ . I noticed on the mediawiki website that version 1.16 works with PhP 5.3, is there a simple way I can get it to use that inste
[19:12:06] <Reedy>	 that_leeds_guy: caching?
[19:12:37] <Reedy>	 BeepBoop: Presumably you need to ask them about that...
[19:12:40] <that_leeds_guy>	 Hi Reedy, thanks for your reply. Do I need to turn caching off? Should I reset my browser?
[19:13:06] <Reedy>	 Are the edits there in the article history?
[19:13:12] <that_leeds_guy>	 Let me check
[19:13:58] <that_leeds_guy>	 No it's not showing any edits ....
[19:15:26] <that_leeds_guy>	 Do you want me to send you a link to the URL where my MediaWiki is @Reedy?
[19:16:17] <Reedy>	 that_leeds_guy: You could...
[19:16:21] <Reedy>	 BeepBoop: What host do you use?
[19:16:51] <that_leeds_guy>	 nsmecheap.com
[19:16:57] <that_leeds_guy>	 Hi @Reedy this is the URL - http://leedswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[19:17:01] <that_leeds_guy>	 thanks for taking a look and trying to help :)
[19:20:17] <BeepBoop>	 Sorry, as I said, total novice here. 1&1 is my host. We also run a forums on the site which runs 5.3, but for some reason our wiki says its running 5.2. Is this an issue I should speak to their support about?
[19:20:36] <Reedy>	 Do they run on different subdomains or something?
[19:20:55] <Reedy>	 BeepBoop: http://help.1and1.com/hosting-c37630/scripts-and-programming-languages-c85099/php-c37728/change-the-default-version-of-php-in-the-control-panel-a792330.html
[19:22:35] <FoxT>	 I have commits in my local git history from people who do not have a gerrit user account, which apparently makes gerrit refuse to accept them for review. How do I get them pushed?
[19:22:56] <FoxT>	 *accept the commits* not the people
[19:23:01] <Reedy>	 Amend them?
[19:23:33] <Reedy>	 I think the author doesn't have to be in gerrit, but the comitter does
[19:23:42] <FoxT>	 Can I amend commits that are not head? Also, I'd like to retain the info who actually wrote that stuff.
[19:24:00] <Reedy>	 you can use interactive rebase
[19:24:12] <Reedy>	 and "edit" n commits
[19:24:27] <that_leeds_guy>	 Do I need edit and commits ??
[19:24:40] <FoxT>	 Reedy: Hmm, ok. That's 74 commits.
[19:24:45] <Reedy>	 FoxT: lolwut
[19:24:54] <that_leeds_guy>	 commits ?
[19:25:11] <FoxT>	 Reedy: Trying to import a lib and keeping author information
[19:25:29] <Reedy>	 FoxT: Ah. Lib to where?
[19:25:34] <Reedy>	 Some repos allow direct push
[19:25:57] <FoxT>	 Reedy: skin/chameleon
[19:26:02] <Reedy>	 that_leeds_guy: That's just weird. Do you have any rewrites or anything setup? Checked your webserver error log?
[19:26:06] <FoxT>	 Reedy: And no direct push. Not for me anyway
[19:26:32] <Reedy>	 Sometimes we enable it temporarily for things like this
[19:27:15] <FoxT>	 Reedy: 
[19:27:34] <FoxT>	 Reedy: So whom do I have to ask?
[19:28:31] <that_leeds_guy>	 @Reedy, No I haven;t done anything but the basics and installed media wiki
[19:30:53] <Reedy>	 !debug | that_leeds_guy
[19:30:53] <wm-bot>	 that_leeds_guy: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[19:31:22] <that_leeds_guy>	 I just checked my error log and there is nothing in there ////
[19:34:00] <that_leeds_guy>	 Also when I click show preview a cog whirls at the top but nothing happens ......
[19:34:07] <that_leeds_guy>	 Is there something wrong with my media wiki? 
[19:39:28] <Reedy>	 that_leeds_guy: The preview/diff buttons just take me back to the article page
[19:39:59] <that_leeds_guy>	 but with out the edit visible right @Reedy?
[19:40:05] <Reedy>	 Right
[19:44:03] <that_leeds_guy>	 Any ideas what might be causing it? 
[20:43:21] <geet_>	 join #mediawiki
[20:43:46] <geet_>	 hello
[20:48:21] <Prabhy>	 hello
[20:55:18] <Ravneet>	 hello
[20:56:04] <Jeet>	 hey
[20:59:11] <Harman_>	 hlooo
[21:00:09] <Jeet>	 helo
[21:06:25] <that_leeds_guy>	 Hi I am looking for someone to help me solve this issue. When I hit save on my media wiki install the info I have written isn't saved to the page. Can anyone please help?
[21:07:21] <that_leeds_guy>	 Does anyone know where I might be able to get help with this issue?
[21:09:23] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: You are at the right place.
[21:09:57] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Try to switch on debugging on your wiki to get more clues
[21:10:37] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: You might also write to the mediawiki mailing list. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[21:10:49] <that_leeds_guy>	 Hi FoxT you might have to be very patient with me ........ can you tell me how to switch on debugging please?
[21:11:00] <FoxT>	 !debug
[21:11:00] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[21:13:10] <ankita_>	 hello!
[21:13:38] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Curiously you are the second person with this exact problem in as many days. Dont know if thats significant or coincidence.
[21:13:47] <ankita_>	 for the manual installation of parsoid, which directory should i clone it to?
[21:14:13] <ankita_>	 the same as VisualEditor or in /usr/lib?
[21:14:17] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Anyway, I have no idea what could be the problem. 
[21:14:32] <jolly>	 hi  i m new to this channel n can any one please help me where to start from?
[21:14:35] <that_leeds_guy>	 I think I'm going to pay someone to fix it .........
[21:15:11] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Boooring. ;-)
[21:15:50] <that_leeds_guy>	 I know but I'm at a loss and I want to get my project up and running! 
[21:17:48] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Just a wild guess, but could there be some connection to antispam?
[21:17:59] <ankita_>	 could someone help please? :)
[21:18:36] <that_leeds_guy>	 I don;'t know how would I find out @FoxT?
[21:22:50] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: I saw a param wpAntispam sent with the edit request on your wiki, so I thought the Antiwpam extension was installed on your wiki. But according to Special:Version it is not. Hmm...
[21:24:18] <that_leeds_guy>	 I'm wondering if I should be using something more simple than media wiki
[21:25:02] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Dont expect me to say 'yes'. :D
[21:25:23] <FoxT>	 Really, it depends on what you want to do
[21:26:14] <that_leeds_guy>	 I am trying to create a city wiki
[21:27:27] <wikidoge>	 Hello, I have I question for you guys. I'm an administrator on a MediaWiki Wiki, but don't have any access to the server/shell/database. I use pyWikiBot from my own server to purge a lot of spam pages with listpages.py + delete.py. Now I have a list of thousands users to ban (one per line in text files). Do you know a good way how to leverage the MediaWiki API to mass ban users ? Thanks
[21:27:53] <FoxT>	 that_leeds_guy: Then MediaWiki would be a good choice, I'd say. 
[21:31:29] <that_leeds_guy>	 I thought so to but then I can't even get past this first hurdle .......
[22:28:47] <rigid>	 does anyone know which etherpad'ish extension is more robust? EtherpadLite or EtherEditor?
[22:29:11] <rigid>	 oh, nvm. the one is marked as "stable" while the other is not.
[22:29:14] <rigid>	 didn't see that
[23:31:13] <marktraceur>	 rigid: I think they're very different
[23:31:31] <marktraceur>	 rigid: EtherpadLite is used to put pads embedded in a page, like when you're viewing an article
[23:31:45] <marktraceur>	 rigid: EtherEditor is an editor that uses EPL as the transfer mechanism
[23:32:08] <rigid>	 yeah, i guess that's why EtherEditor is more unstable
[23:32:32] <rigid>	 EtherpadLite just seems to be an iframe or something
[23:35:10] <marktraceur>	 Yup
[23:35:28] <marktraceur>	 rigid: I'm the EtherEditor maintainer, such as it is - it's more unstable because of a breaking change in the EPL API
[23:35:37] <marktraceur>	 So you'd need to use an older version of EPL for EE to work
[23:35:53] <marktraceur>	 Which version, you might say? I don't know. I didn't track that.
[23:37:02] <rigid>	 ah... well, it's an interesting project. It would be nice if such a feature could make it as an optional feature into the main tree (from user perspective)
[23:37:35] <rigid>	 maybe by forking EPL... if it can be done securely and stable it would just rock
[23:37:58] <rigid>	 lots of EPL features wouldn't be needed, I guess. chat, text formatting etc.