[00:00:21] <Betacommand>	 Reedy: I deal with end users waaay too much, I can almost read their minds
[00:03:44] <veleno>	 1.23.6 LTS is fine right?
[00:04:05] <Reedy>	 It's the currently reccommended stable release, so yes :)
[00:20:31] <veleno>	 well, already the first step is tricky with nginx, since it requires php configuration 
[00:38:49] <Aranlyde>	 I'm trying to make a template that would pass a specific HTML color code (say #EFE). However, the replacement doesn't seem to work right with template text &#x23;EFE. What am I doing wrong?
[00:43:57] <jackmcbarn>	 Aranlyde: put <nowiki /> at the very beginning of the template, and don't escape the #
[00:44:54] <Aranlyde>	 Thanks jackmcbarn!
[00:45:00] <jackmcbarn>	 yw!
[01:02:50] <veleno>	 finally i’m trying to follow these instructions: http://blog.bigdinosaur.org/mediawiki-on-nginx/ 
[01:03:52] <veleno>	 it seemed to be well done, i follow all the instructions, but probably i miss a silly detail, since when I’m to this point: 
[01:04:05] <veleno>	 “Now that our Nginx configuration is live, we can follow the manual for a bit. Navigate in a web browser to the MediaWiki install location”, i keep getting a 404 error
[01:08:04] <Reedy>	 Looking in the right place?
[01:22:57] <Aranlyde>	 I have a template with parameter {{{color}}} (a hex color code, i.e. #FFF). However, it's not parsing correctly. I'm going to eventually make it a switch statement, but I'm trying the base case first.
[01:23:03] <Aranlyde>	  {| style="background:{{#if:{{{color|}}}|{{{color}}}|#EEE}}; border:#AAA solid 1px; margin: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"
[02:13:09] <jackmcbarn>	 Aranlyde: add a <nowiki /> right before the #
[02:13:35] <jackmcbarn>	 and also before {{{color}}}
[02:14:12] <Aranlyde>	 Does that work even in a template? Does <nowiki> remove the template as well?
[02:14:37] <jackmcbarn>	 <nowiki /> just inserts a nowiki block that doesn't contain anything at all, so it'll all work
[02:14:53] <Aranlyde>	 ah ok thank you
[02:15:00] <jackmcbarn>	 Aranlyde: by the way, you're running into https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12974 which that's the workaround for
[02:15:55] <Aranlyde>	 Ah thanks... I was wondering why it was working weirdly and that makes sense.
[02:17:14] <Aranlyde>	 Thank you for your help
[02:19:18] <veleno>	 anyone has an idea aboit this error while installling 1.23.6 (stable) https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fdc1db9c8443f5a63557 ? 
[02:20:19] <veleno>	 the installation is performing an upgrade of the existing database “There are MediaWiki tables in this database. To upgrade them to MediaWiki 1.23.6, click Continue.” clickiing continue brings me back to the same screen
[02:20:56] <Reedy>	 I'd just google for Error: 126 Incorrect key file for table
[02:21:01] <Reedy>	 looks like it's a few possible issues
[02:21:03] <Reedy>	 onebeing disk space
[02:29:45] <jackmcbarn>	 veleno: 
[02:29:45] <jackmcbarn>	 <springle> jackmcbarn: check their available /tmp space. check mysqld error log for more info, os log for anything related to disk or filesystem. 
[02:37:58] <veleno>	 full disk problem. solved. 
[08:03:55] <meorero>	 Who shall I contact if I have problems to Log in to en.wikipedia.org ??  I tried the  "Forgot Password"   but did not receive any mail. 
[08:04:31] <Josse|BNC>	 meorero: Try the channel #wikipedia-en
[08:05:57] <meorero>	 Josse - Thanks.  I'll try :-)
[10:34:03] <Lhug>	 anyone here versed in parsoid and the VE?
[11:07:43] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Hello! When you're on IRC it's usually good practice to jump right in and ask a question, as it saves time for everyone involved :) how can we help you?
[11:09:41] <Lhug>	 well it had NO effect the last times i was here ^^ visual editor (snapshot) will not display linked pictures in a MW 1.23, they just disappear. At least on a CentOS System, on the corresponding local Ubuntu-test, this works. Sadly, both will not access any pictures saved in local, but can access from commons when enabled. 
[11:10:29] <Lhug>	 Parsoid reports a "Failed API Request" when trying to parse pages with images. parsoid service runs as root, wiki is private, cookie forwarding activated and works. 
[11:10:44] <marktraceur>	 I believe this is reported...
[11:11:05] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: VE snapshot for 1.23, I assume?
[11:11:08] <Lhug>	 changing permissions to read true for all, read+edit true for all and the corresponding IF-statements suggestes by several discussions-pages had no effect whatsoever.
[11:11:36] <Lhug>	 yes, since git is not available that snapshot
[11:11:58] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: OK; does your browser report any error messages when loading a page with images?
[11:12:03] <Lhug>	 none
[11:12:06] <marktraceur>	 In the developer console, I mean
[11:12:10] <marktraceur>	 You'll have to open it
[11:12:48] <Lhug>	 no I mean, the dev console shows no errors. at least, non that I can find
[11:13:21] <marktraceur>	 Oh, 'kay
[11:13:35] <marktraceur>	 So it's not the bug I was thinking of
[11:13:48] <Lhug>	 normal page shows no errors, just a minute
[11:14:13] <marktraceur>	 "Failed API request" probably means for imageinfo, if it only happens for images
[11:14:18] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Is your wiki public?
[11:14:28] <marktraceur>	 Bonus points for a link
[11:14:32] <Lhug>	 it does only happen for images. Reported error when opening editor on an image page: Discontiguous selection is not supported. 
[11:14:48] <marktraceur>	 Huh.
[11:15:02] <Lhug>	 same error when opening non-image page, so that is not it
[11:15:57] <Lhug>	 no, wiki is private. however, cookie forwarding is activated, and like stated before, changing permissions and making it public does not change thet behaviour
[11:16:01] <marktraceur>	 OK
[11:16:14] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: I'm going to construct an API query for you to test
[11:16:25] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Can you tell me the name of one image on your wiki?
[11:16:44] <Lhug>	 Logo.jpg
[11:17:01] <Lhug>	 respectively, Datei:Logo.jpg or File: or whatever  floats your boat =)
[11:18:27] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: ?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url|size&titles=File:Logo.jpg&format=json
[11:18:45] <marktraceur>	 If it returns a non-error json object, then that's not the issue
[11:19:02] <Lhug>	 since I am relatively new to this, I append this after "index.php" correct?
[11:19:17] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: No, replace "index.php" with "api.php" and append to that
[11:20:18] <Lhug>	 it returns something =) and since the console does not display an error, i believe it is a json object
[11:20:27] <marktraceur>	 Wellp
[11:20:46] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Without more information, I'm out of ideas...
[11:20:55] <Lhug>	 side note: it SEEMS like the VE tries to access the images via callback
[11:21:22] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: You can file a bug, I'll be sure to pester people when they return
[11:21:27] <marktraceur>	 Oh.
[11:21:30] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: One sec
[11:21:55] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Try ?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url|size&iiurlwidth=220&titles=File:Logo.jpg&format=json
[11:21:59] <marktraceur>	 My last stab
[11:22:17] <marktraceur>	 And then try loading the URL it returns for thumburl
[11:23:28] <Lhug>	 thumburl returns what is expected - thumbnail 220px
[11:24:21] <Lhug>	 is it possible, that the callback-function causes the API-request to fail?
[11:24:51] <marktraceur>	 I don't think so
[11:25:02] <marktraceur>	 I think Parsoid folks are smart enough not to lie about what failed
[11:25:13] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Have you checked the return values of API requests in the dev console?
[11:25:25] <marktraceur>	 (I'll be afk for a bit, but be back soon)
[11:25:50] <Lhug>	 dev console had no output, so I don't know what to check. will try to find something though
[11:27:35] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: There's a network tab in most developer tools
[11:29:01] <Lhug>	 yes. API request showed no errors. which values are interesting for you? response headers both gave back application/json as content type
[11:32:35] <Lhug>	 something I see: the first request has neither a preview, nor response data available. Not sure if this is intended. still - no reported errors
[11:42:23] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: If you could go to dpaste.de and put in all the json you get, that would be super
[11:43:55] <Lhug>	 2 jsons : https://dpaste.de/0Adz
[11:46:37] <marktraceur>	 Well, those look fine to me
[11:46:44] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Maybe you're right and it's a bug
[11:46:57] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: I'd file it in bugzilla and wait for the Parsoid people to be awake, maybe
[11:47:35] <Lhug>	 like i said before - the file display on th elocal machine (ubuntu) works fine. still no access to local files to insert, but at least the files are being shown (and can be edited)
[11:48:13] <Lhug>	 i THINK it's more to do with our end, but am adding a bug in the VE-Section, hopefully someone reacts to that ^^
[11:49:23] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: Worst case scenario, we're both monumentally stupid and someone else tells us why :)
[11:50:53] <Lhug>	 actually, i'd like that - then that issue has quickly resolved itself =) but thank you anyway. Do you still neet those snippets? if not, i'll delete them now
[11:52:29] <Metusalech>	 greetings
[11:54:49] <marktraceur>	 Lhug: They might prove useful for the bug report
[11:54:57] <marktraceur>	 Metusalech: Hi! What's up?
[11:56:05] <Metusalech>	 can anybody tell me,if it is possible to easily offer "subwikis" for another department? let`s say we have "mycompany.com/wiki",could i provide "mycompany.com/wiki/department1" on the same server?
[11:58:04] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Metusalech read e.g. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family
[11:59:13] <Metusalech>	 thank you for pointing me in the right direction!
[12:29:37] <marktraceur>	 Metusalech: I wouldn't suggest using subdirectories for it...it's possible, but subdomains might be better
[12:29:55] <marktraceur>	 hr.example.com/wiki/Main_Page
[12:33:57] <Metusalech>	 why would you advise against it
[12:44:46] <Lhug>	 marktraceur: for reference https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72760 and i will now part =) thanks again
[12:46:15] <marktraceur>	 Metusalech: I wouldn't advise against it, like "if you do this, your house will burn down", but I think subdomains are more better. :)
[12:57:12] <Hans_1337>	 hi
[12:57:19] <Hans_1337>	 anyone there?
[12:57:29] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: Nope
[12:57:31] <marktraceur>	 :)
[12:57:36] <Hans_1337>	 :(
[12:57:37] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: Hello! When you're on IRC it's usually good practice to jump right in and ask a question, as it saves time for everyone involved :) how can we help you?
[12:57:50] <Hans_1337>	 ah ok.
[12:58:15] <Hans_1337>	 so i was trying to insert some references in my mediawiki page with the <ref> command
[12:58:22] <Hans_1337>	 but actually it doesn't work
[12:58:32] <Hans_1337>	 do i need any kind of extention to use it?
[12:59:57] <Hans_1337>	 i read something about the extention cite?! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[13:00:18] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: <ref> should work without cite. Where do you expect the reference to show up, and what do you see instead?
[13:01:20] <Hans_1337>	 i put it in my article at the beginnig and it appears as a written text
[13:01:31] <Hans_1337>	 when i save it
[13:02:02] <Hans_1337>	 its like "This is the fact <ref>source: ... </ref>"
[13:02:53] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: It shows "<ref>" literally in the rendered text?
[13:02:57] <marktraceur>	 That's...bad...
[13:03:27] <Hans_1337>	 jap
[13:03:32] <marktraceur>	 Oh, I'm a noob
[13:03:33] <marktraceur>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[13:03:38] <marktraceur>	 It does add <ref>
[13:03:54] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: Sorry I second-guessed you, you should install Cite
[13:04:01] <Hans_1337>	 so maybe it has something to do with my sitenotice?
[13:04:08] <marktraceur>	 No, it's Cite missing
[13:04:18] <Hans_1337>	 i inserted some other code there
[13:04:33] <Hans_1337>	 is it?
[13:04:44] <marktraceur>	 Yeah
[13:04:52] <Hans_1337>	 i thought i had done it before ... maybe on a test wiki by wikipedia ... :(
[13:04:54] <marktraceur>	 I thought <ref> was a core thing, but it turns out it's not
[13:05:01] <Hans_1337>	 ah ok
[13:05:09] <Hans_1337>	 thank you for your help!
[13:05:18] <marktraceur>	 No problem :)
[13:05:24] <Hans_1337>	  :)
[13:10:01] <Hans_1337>	 so maybe you can help my once again: which extentions should be installed, to have a basic set of extentions?
[13:11:04] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: can you say something to this topic?
[13:12:53] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: Cite for references
[13:13:00] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: You might also want ParserFunctions
[13:13:40] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: yes I already was missing ParserFunction several times ...
[13:13:57] <marktraceur>	 :)
[13:14:47] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: and installation is only possible by the file-administation and not by wiki-administration, am I right with this?
[13:15:02] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: I mean extention installation
[13:15:13] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: in general
[13:15:29] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: I need to have marktraceur access to the file-system, right?
[13:15:54] <marktraceur>	 marktraceur-level access
[13:16:03] <marktraceur>	 Above root, but just below messiah
[13:16:27] <marktraceur>	 Hans_1337: Yes, you need access to the file system, probably through FTP
[13:16:29] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: lol sorry, don't know how this got in there ^^
[13:16:32] <Metusalech>	 marktraceur: about the subdomains-> would i still be able to use the "mainwiki" as source for the other wikis? i think it would need an own version of a wiki-installation for each department,right?
[13:16:43] <marktraceur>	 Metusalech: True
[13:16:51] <Hans_1337>	 marktraceur: allright, thanks! ;)
[13:16:58] <Hans_1337>	 cya guys!
[13:17:03] <marktraceur>	 Metusalech: You would install multiple wikis...but the wiki family article has something about sharing a codebase, IIRC
[16:14:40] <sofat_>	 hello i am hitesh
[16:14:57] <sofat_>	 i want to start the work with mediawiki
[16:14:59] <sofat_>	 please guide me
[16:17:38] <sofat_>	 please any one guide me
[16:20:30] <G_SabinoMullane>	 sofat_: You want to install it, or help develop it?
[16:22:11] <sofat_>	 i want to develop and contribute my work to mediawiki
[16:22:33] <SPF|Cloud>	 See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute
[16:22:39] <sofat_>	 i am php developer
[16:23:08] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Or more specifially https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[16:25:46] <sofat_>	 ok
[16:25:57] <sofat_>	 thanks
[17:03:41] <s\>	 hi, somone a idea why this don't work: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Editnotice_request
[17:08:21] <sofat_>	 i already know how to make mediawiki extension so
[17:08:48] <sofat_>	 want to work on exiting extension 
[17:09:38] <sofat_>	 and make the some updates in exiting extension 
[17:10:39] <marktraceur>	 sofat_: Which extension do you want to work on?
[17:11:37] <sofat_>	 i don't have any idea please tell me for any extension 
[17:11:55] <sofat_>	 needs the updates 
[17:12:26] <marktraceur>	 sofat_: There are a *lot* of extensions. Try searching bugzilla, maybe?
[17:13:35] <sofat_>	 any pending  work 
[17:14:55] <marktraceur>	 sofat_: Lots. Have you looked at all?
[17:15:00] <s\>	 :'-(
[17:15:13] <marktraceur>	 s\: Did you try purging the pages?
[17:15:26] <s\>	 yes
[17:15:42] <s\>	 moving to "/" dosent help too :/ maybe tere is a lag :/ not sure.
[17:15:59] <marktraceur>	 's possbile
[17:16:02] <marktraceur>	 possible even
[17:18:39] <sofat_>	 marktraceur, any pending work 
[17:18:39] <sofat_>	  
[17:19:32] <marktraceur>	 sofat_: I have no idea what you're talking about. Try to find things on your own for a bit, maybe.
[17:24:28] <sofat_>	 marktraceur, i check Bugzilla
[19:47:08] <Automatik>	 hi
[21:39:39] <Reedy>	 !debug | mutante
[21:39:39] <wm-bot>	 mutante: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[21:39:40] <Reedy>	 :P
[21:41:59] <mutante>	 Reedy: lol, for wikitech as well ? ok :p