[02:03:36] <jimt>	 Is there a "magic word" that can be put on a page that would return the number of members in a category?
[02:11:52] <mutante>	 jimt: try this {{PAGESINCATEGORY:categoryname}}
[02:12:24] <mutante>	 but note it has an "Expensive" comment http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[02:13:11] <jimt>	 mutante: Thanks! That looks like exactly what I need.
[02:14:03] <mutante>	 yw
[02:56:55] <Geo>	 Hi, how do I get wiki to preserve spaces? ie, I want 7 spaces to yield a       b, not get condensed to a b
[02:58:41] <MaxSem>	 either wrap in <pre> (scary to see the result) or use &nbsp; instead of spaces (scary to see the source) :P
[03:03:39] <mutante>	 Geo: or <HighlightSyntax> from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi and similar ones if it's source code
[03:03:56] <mutante>	 eh, syntaxhighlight, something like that
[03:17:06] <Geo>	 thx
[03:47:00] <RAISINBUSTER>	 Question for anyone who knows how2mediawiki
[03:48:08] <RAISINBUSTER>	 Can't seem to get CSS to load on my wiki
[03:48:18] <RAISINBUSTER>	 can even log in, but I guess it can't access skins
[03:48:43] <RAISINBUSTER>	 Anyone here?
[03:50:27] <AlexHofstadter>	 Hello?
[03:50:44] <AlexHofstadter>	 I have a stupid question.
[03:52:06] <AlexHofstadter>	 WikiMatrix lists MediaWiki as non mobile-friendly...
[03:53:00] <AlexHofstadter>	 ...but some sites such as Wikimedia Foundation projects or Doom Wiki *are* mobile friendly.
[03:53:30] <AlexHofstadter>	 How can I make my wiki mobile-friendly?
[03:53:58] <jackmcbarn>	 AlexHofstadter: install Extension:MobileFrontend
[03:54:06] <jackmcbarn>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend
[03:54:19] <RAISINBUSTER>	 jack, any way to get my site up
[03:54:33] <AlexHofstadter>	 Thank you, how nice. God bless you.
[03:54:40] <jackmcbarn>	 AlexHofstadter: you're welcome
[03:54:43] <jackmcbarn>	 RAISINBUSTER: what's wrong exactly?
[03:54:50] <jackmcbarn>	 and is your site visible from the internet? if so, what's the url?
[03:55:00] <RAISINBUSTER>	 it's the CSS. http://statesmencybersecurity.org/wiki/mediawiki-1.23.6/index.php?title=Main_Page
[03:55:13] <RAISINBUSTER>	 (note the URL is temp, I'm moving it elsewhere later)
[03:56:38] <jackmcbarn>	 RAISINBUSTER: load.php seems to be missing
[03:56:57] <jackmcbarn>	 and something's messed up in your web server. 404s are getting turned into redirects to the home page
[03:57:12] <jackmcbarn>	 (for all pages, even stuff not part of mediawiki)
[03:58:07] <RAISINBUSTER>	 ok thanks, ill look into it
[04:01:07] <AlexHofstadter>	 Jack, Wiktionary uses titles starting with lowercase. How do I do that on my wiki?
[04:02:08] <cathfolant>	 AlexHofstadter: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks
[04:04:06] <AlexHofstadter>	 Thank thou, God bless thou.
[04:04:14] <cathfolant>	 np
[06:05:02] <jrwkc>	 Hi everyone - I got mediawiki working perfectly on port 9997. We then chose to move it to default port 80. I changed the /etc/apache2/ports.conf to listen on 80 instead of 9997 and changed $wgServer from myserver:9997 to myserver:80. When I restart apache, it works fine. But when I try and load mediawiki it says "The requested URL /html/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server" even though I can see it there right
[06:05:07] <jrwkc>	 does anyone have any suggestions?
[06:58:38] <Carmela>	 Why are specifying port 80?
[12:21:23] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Hi. I'm trying to add some LESS code to MediaWiki:Common.css in mediawiki 1.23.6, but I seem to get back the same LESS code in pages.
[12:21:32] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Why is that?
[12:37:30] <zuzak>	 I'm not sure you can use less on-wiki
[12:40:00] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 zuzak, according to the manual, it should be natively supported in this version, no?
[12:45:30] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Nevermind, I'm trying to make a full, proper skin now.
[13:28:36] <vaibhav>	 hi guys!! I am new towars the contribution to mediawiki..I tried installation but i m facing skins errors although i hv skins in my installation folder
[13:31:01] <marktraceur>	 vaibhav: What skin errors?
[13:32:17] <vaibhav>	   Whoops! The default skin for your wiki, defined in $wgDefaultSkin as vector, is not available.  Your installation seems to include the following skins. See Manual: Skin configuration for information how to enable them and choose the default.      vector / Vector (disabled)  If you have just installed MediaWiki     You probably installed from git, or directly from the source code using some other method. This is expected. Try in
[13:32:17] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 vaibhav: i think you also need to manually include the skin's php file in your LocalSettings.php
[13:32:27] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 at least that's h9ow i fixed that problem for me
[13:36:20] <marktraceur>	 Yes, true.
[13:36:24] <marktraceur>	 !vector
[13:36:24] <wm-bot>	 Vector is MediaWiki's default skin since MW 1.17. It has been included in the download tarballs since then. For instructions on how to install it if you don't have it, see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector#Installation>. Say !skin or !localsettings for more details.
[13:36:33] <marktraceur>	 !vectorerror
[13:36:38] <marktraceur>	 !skinerror
[13:36:45] <marktraceur>	 I swear there was a key for this
[13:36:48] <marktraceur>	 !botbrain
[13:36:49] <wm-bot>	 Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot
[13:37:19] <marktraceur>	 Aaaanyway.
[13:47:19] <vaibhav>	 getting error in Vectortemplate:getindicators function
[13:47:41] <vaibhav>	 "Fatal error: Call to undefined method VectorTemplate::getIndicators() in /home/vaibhavraj/core/skins/Vector/VectorTemplate.php on line 105"
[15:21:45] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 How do I trigger LESS compilation when writing a non-template-based skin?
[15:22:10] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 I added it to the resource loader but that doesn't seem to do anything.
[15:23:19] <marktraceur>	 Eduard_Munteanu: What version of MediaWiki do you have?
[15:23:30] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 1.23.6
[15:23:35] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[15:25:15] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Am I supposed to load some .js code? Because I don't have any.
[15:25:41] <marktraceur>	 No, I don't think so
[15:46:24] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Anyway, what's supposed to trigger compilation anyway?
[15:47:22] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 I can't see anything in the logs.
[15:50:04] <marktraceur>	 Eduard_Munteanu: It should get compiled and cached when requested
[15:50:13] <marktraceur>	 Then re-compiled when updated
[15:51:05] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 marktraceur, hmmm, must be I'm not using the right URL then, I simply use getSkinStylePath  
[15:52:00] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 marktraceur, how am I supposed to get an URL?
[15:53:24] <marktraceur>	 What URL?
[15:53:53] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 marktraceur, to the compiled CSS, to add as a stylesheet in HTML
[15:54:08] <Hooligan>	 Hello, Im running a verison 1.23 wiki and would like to implement wildcard searches. I found this link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Searching#Automagically_add_wildcard_to_mediawiki_search_1.22 but the code does not seem to apply to version 1.23. Does anyone know of a way to do wildcard searches?
[15:56:06] <marktraceur>	 Eduard_Munteanu: You shouldn't need a URL, just use ResourceLoader.
[15:56:18] <marktraceur>	 Eduard_Munteanu: Can you post the code for your skin?
[15:57:49] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 marktraceur, I only did   $wgResourceModules['skins.foo'] = array("styles" => array("foo.less"));
[15:58:08] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 And used addModules.
[15:58:36] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 And extensions/skins/foo/foo.less is there.
[15:59:09] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Perhaps I need to take another look at ResourceLoader.
[16:02:48] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 Oh, hm, resource loading debugging isn't enabled normally.
[16:20:53] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 I think I don't quite understand how to get the loader URL.
[19:32:37] <Eduard_Munteanu>	 "The OutputPage object takes care of generating HTML and other things related to creating a HTML-view of a page. It will also generate the <head> element for non-SkinTemplate skins or part of it for SkinTemplate based skins." -- how?
[19:34:01] <Crazy1880>	 hello everybody, ist "labs" down
[19:34:01] <wmat>	 Crazy1880: do you mean wikitech.wikimedia.org?
[19:34:02] <Crazy1880>	 I actually thought this "tools.wmflabs.org"
[19:34:02] <greg-g>	 Crazy1880: see the #wikimedia-labs channel, and yes: "Labs outage in progress"
[19:34:02] <legoktm>	 Crazy1880: there's an outage right now due to a hardware issue, see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2014-November/003094.html
[19:34:03] <Crazy1880>	 best regards to everybody, thank you
[19:34:03] <greg-g>	 tally ho!
[19:34:07] <gleki>	 Hello. While trying to install Flow on master mediawiki i get this error during update.php: " Exception from line 49 of /home/.../extensions/Flow/includes/Model/UserTuple.php: No wiki provided" What's wrong?
[19:34:12] <wmat>	 gleki: what does you Flow settings look like in LocalSettings.php?
[19:34:13] <gleki>	 require_once "$IP/extensions/Echo/Echo.php";
[19:34:13] <gleki>	 require_once "$IP/extensions/Thanks/Thanks.php";
[19:34:13] <gleki>	 require_once "$IP/extensions/Flow/Flow.php";
[19:34:14] <gleki>	 $wgFlowContentFormat = 'html';
[19:34:14] <gleki>	 $wgFlowEditorList = array( 'visualeditor', 'none' );
[19:34:14] <gleki>	 $wgFlowOccupyPages = array ( 'Talk:Main Page', 'Mywiki talk:WikiProject Flow', 'Talk:Flow QA' );
[19:34:14] <gleki>	 $wgFlowOccupyNamespaces = array( NS_USER_TALK );
[19:34:14] <gleki>	 wmat: 
[19:34:17] <wmat>	 gleki: I think perhaps Mywiki should be the value of $wgSitename, no?
[19:34:18] <wmat>	 granted, i'm just guessing as I've not configured Flow yet
[19:34:22] <wmat>	 gleki: this looks related https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/168258/
[20:41:23] <physikerwelt>	 does anyone know how I get the namespace for an old revision
[20:41:48] <physikerwelt>	 the revision could be joined with the page table but the namespace migh have changed
[20:42:39] <RoanKattouw>	 We don't really have that information
[20:42:44] <RoanKattouw>	 The page name might have changed as well
[20:42:45] <Vulpix>	 ^
[20:42:59] <RoanKattouw>	 But in the history view it'll just show everything under the current name + namespace of the page
[20:43:43] <physikerwelt>	 RoanKattouw ok thanks
[21:18:54] <Betacommand>	 is AKlapper (WMF) around?
[21:18:56] <legoktm>	 andre__: ^
[21:18:58] <andre__>	 Betacommand, yeah
[21:19:00] <Betacommand>	 andre__: if your looking for an easy bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72931
[21:19:02] <andre__>	 Betacommand, feel free to set the "easy" keyword
[21:19:22] <andre__>	 Betacommand, right now I'm looking for tasks that could be tasks in Google Code-In. And mentors. Could you be one? :)
[21:19:41] <Betacommand>	 andre__: I dont do php or Id offer
[21:19:50] <andre__>	 heh. me neither :)
[21:20:06] <andre__>	 Betacommand, but feel free to mark self-contained, non-controversial tickets in Bugzilla with the "easy" keyword
[21:20:50] <Betacommand>	 andre__: thats a good task for the code in though, its fix will enable a lot of other stuff to be developed
[21:24:07] <marktraceur>	 "Remove superprotect user right" marked as "easy", ty andre__. :)
[21:24:24] <andre__>	 Betacommand, do you have a mentor in mind?
[21:24:31] <andre__>	 marktraceur, did I do that? :P
[21:24:34] <marktraceur>	 No no
[21:24:37] <marktraceur>	 Just kidding
[21:24:39] <andre__>	 damn! :D
[21:24:49] <marktraceur>	 But give it a shot, maybe the zeal for finding new contributors will help
[21:27:01] <Betacommand>	 andre__: Not off hand,
[21:27:22] <andre__>	 many many easy bugs are good candidates. we need mentors though.
[21:27:35] <Betacommand>	 andre__: Ive tagged three bugs as easy
[21:27:38] <andre__>	 thanks
[22:40:51] <fridolin>	 Hello i have a problem with english templates.
[22:41:12] <fridolin>	 Everytime i try to setup one its a scripterror
[22:41:33] <fridolin>	 for example look at this page -> http://wiki.hotspro.de/index.php?title=Ahli
[22:43:40] <guillom>	 andre__: still around?
[22:43:48] <andre__>	 guillom, yes
[22:43:58] <andre__>	 what did I break?
[22:44:10] <guillom>	 andre__: Around as in "still working" or "around but I should be going to bed" ? :)
[22:44:36] <andre__>	 around as in "what's the bed thingy about?."
[22:44:39] <guillom>	 :D
[22:44:55] <guillom>	 andre__: I have a question about Code-in and I wanted to hear your thoughts.
[22:45:02] <andre__>	 alright
[22:46:19] <guillom>	 I'm thinking of proposing tasks related to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_metadata_cleanup_drive for code-in. Like adding machine-readable markers to templates, or adding information templates to images missing them. I'd need to run this by the Legal team to check it's ok, but I also wanted to hear if you thought it was within the scope of Code-in.
[22:46:25] <fridolin>	 nobodys knows something?
[22:47:35] <guillom>	 fridolin: anomie might be able to help but he's not around. Check back later maybe?
[22:48:00] <andre__>	 fridolin, tried http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug already?
[22:48:43] <guillom>	 fridolin: if you click on "Skriptfehler", it gives you more information: "Lua-Fehler: Der Prozess konnte nicht erstellt werden: proc_open(/dev/null): failed to open stream: Operation not permitted"
[22:48:45] <andre__>	 guillom, let me read that and come back to you in 10min
[22:48:53] <guillom>	 andre__: sure; nothing urgent :)
[22:49:09] <guillom>	 andre__: the "how to fix" page has more details about what fixing stuff actually entails
[22:49:27] <andre__>	 oh
[22:51:38] <fridolin>	 yea but the german mistake doesnt say anything to me i really dont know what do to :D
[22:52:10] <guillom>	 fridolin: then... I don't know what else to do except wait for someone with more experience with Lua
[22:53:27] <fridolin>	 ok
[22:53:30] <fridolin>	 no problem.
[23:28:46] <andre__>	 guillom: hmm, to which extend would you call that "borning repetitive gruntwork"? :) If that fits too much then it's probably not a really good GCI task, but if situations vary and there's a little bit of thinking involved, it might work well. Plus we want "beginner tasks" too this time which would take an experienced person ~30min or so.
[23:29:20] * andre__ looks at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_metadata_cleanup_drive/How_to_fix_metadata
[23:30:13] <andre__>	 Well, it cannot be that repetitive, otherwise somebody would have already written a script, right, andre__? :P
[23:30:58] <guillom>	 andre__: some cases will be boring, but others won't. It's difficult to know for sure. Adding the information template on Commons might be boring and repetitive (and it can't be automated easily, unfortunately, it requires a human :) For other wikis, it requires a bit of thinking: identifying if there's a template, and if so adding the markers to the templates, etc. 
[23:31:20] <guillom>	 A task could be "Add machine-readable markers to copyright templates on wiki X"
[23:31:36] <andre__>	 guillom, I think that sounds interesting. and would work as a GCI task
[23:31:42] <Reedy>	 Of course, if they're high use templates, they probably can't edit them
[23:31:54] <guillom>	 hah; Reedy makes a good point.
[23:31:57] <guillom>	 meh
[23:32:07] <Reedy>	 :(
[23:32:21] <guillom>	 hmmm, I hadn't thought about this :/
[23:32:47] <andre__>	 ahummm.
[23:33:26] <andre__>	 could they "propose" their template change somewhere? But that would make testing harder I guess?
[23:33:30] <guillom>	 yeah
[23:33:37] * andre__ always feels very untechy when asking such questions
[23:33:56] <guillom>	 What about "Assemble a list of information and copyright templates for wiki X" ?
[23:34:06] <guillom>	 but some are already in categories
[23:34:07] <Reedy>	 i think some high use templates have "sandbox" subpage versions
[23:34:08] <guillom>	 rumble
[23:34:40] <guillom>	 Of course what I really want them to do is add the information template on Commons, but that's repetitive and not very fun (although it does involve thinking)
[23:36:09] <Reedy>	 thinking is the worst
[23:36:11] <andre__>	 a small amount of childwork is probably fine, if that's not the main part of the task :)
[23:37:54] <guillom>	 andre__: well, be the judge :) open https://tools.wmflabs.org/add-information/no_information.php , then click on an "AddInformation" link, and see how easy or difficult it is to organize the existing wikitext with a template (don't save or Legal won't be happy)
[23:44:04] <Reedy>	 lol, that's buggy
[23:44:11] <Reedy>	 |Date        = |2006]
[23:44:17] <Reedy>	 [[Category:West facade of the Speyer Cathedral|2006]]
[23:45:19] <guillom>	 Hence the "thinking" part :P
[23:46:08] <Reedy>	 The basic adding template is nice
[23:46:45] <andre__>	 looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3A000_Danimarka_harta.PNG&action=edit I'm just confused I think.
[23:47:06] <andre__>	 oh. I think I understand it.
[23:47:38] <andre__>	 Hmm. I think editing ten pages or so as a task could work.
[23:47:48] <andre__>	 but needs good instructions.
[23:48:22] <guillom>	 True; the current instructions are aimed at experienced users. I could write a howto for beginners.