[00:01:40] Hi, just trying to upgrade from 1.22 to 1.23 and I am getting Exception from line 318 in MagicWord.php Error: invalid magic word 'cascadingsources' [00:01:57] Did anybody have this before? [00:02:23] Rebuild your l10n cache? [00:02:44] hi [00:03:30] Hi. [00:03:34] is there a way not to show the page to non-logged in users? [00:03:55] !access [00:03:55] For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [00:04:10] Hi Reedy, will try this. [00:07:47] Carmela: so this is applied for nses [00:08:21] It can be. [00:08:31] You can probably blacklist specific pages as well. [00:08:39] Carmela: lets say I have a wiki and I want some pages are broadly vissible and on the other side, some are visible just to the logged in [00:08:40] What are you trying to do? [00:08:45] can we do this in the main ns? [00:09:01] Probably not. [00:09:08] any extension? [00:09:18] its like deleted or hidden page [00:09:26] What are you trying to do? [00:10:00] if you delete a page in main ns, it remains in the main ns for those who can see it or edit it, wright? or is that a hidden page=oversighted page [00:10:13] Page deletion isn't really what you want. [00:10:34] What kind of page do you want to hide from logged-out users? [00:10:55] what I am trying to do? I am trying to find out the best way to archive pages. I think that the principles of archiving stays on the will, the page is not visible to broad public [00:11:13] Well, [00:11:21] if you're just worried about search engines, there's __NOINDEX__. [00:11:27] For archived pages. [00:11:38] umm [00:11:41] * Juandev think [00:11:58] Marking a page as noindex is fairly common. [00:12:12] you could give logged in users viewdeleted rights... [00:12:15] Reedy Pretty strange. Now I get PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function matchStartAndRemove() on a non-object in Parser.php on line 3268 Still also telling me about the missing cascading magic [00:12:28] bawolff: That would be insane. [00:12:33] on the other side some archived pages are archived because there is no will to broadly edit them - on the other side within wikimedia its not common to lock them [00:12:37] Deletion should be used for deletion. [00:12:50] I agree. [00:13:03] page deletion is really not designed for that [00:13:50] umm maybe I was wrong with the conclusion that archived pages are those, where we dont want to show them to broad public [00:14:17] page deletion is designed to archive pages in a way that they are broadly unavailable, but still accessible just in case [00:14:19] especially in wikipedia, those are e.g. old elections etc. [00:14:29] Kind of sounds like what Juandev is saying [00:14:46] on the other side in wv, there was a discussion to use archiving for the purposes to hide pages from broad public [00:15:01] bawolff: Right, but putting your content in the trash can is a pretty silly place for it. [00:15:13] Maybe wv should just not archive old pages ;) [00:15:14] bawolff: Unless you understand that someone might empty the trash. [00:15:35] Juandev: The broad public doesn't visit election pages or other old pages. [00:15:49] So it's unclear what problem you're trying to solve. [00:15:55] It sounds like a noindex issue. [00:16:07] bawolff: thats right, but it takes two problems. Most of the users cannot read deleted page and it can make a problem when someone recreates deleted page [00:16:26] So why don't you want the broad public to view these pages? [00:17:19] bawolff: such page in wv might be also the page which is obsolete. You have a course and the course ends up - light student assignment. You dont need that page any more [00:17:32] but to me it doesn not make much sense to delete such page [00:18:18] What if someone wants to research the history of how wikiversity works, or otherwise wants to read it despite not being normally useful? I'm not sure why you would want to hide this from anons [00:18:54] well its more like a...er, what that word...compromise between those who would delete such pages and those who would leave them [00:19:09] so the idea to remove those pages from the view of general public came up [00:19:10] Can I suggest noindex again? [00:19:20] * bawolff agrees with Carmela [00:20:07] If you really need to, you could blank the page, and add some standard {{archived}} template explaining the page is no longer relavent, but still allowing the curious to browser through the history if they really want [00:20:24] bawolff: well, It was not my proposal to hide or delete such pages - I would just leave them on the place and add there kind of notice, they are not active/outdate whatever [00:20:48] Carmela: well, I will think about it [00:20:51] bawolff: {{intentionally blank page}}! [00:21:07] I personally think old pages are interesting and don't harm anyone (in general) [00:21:34] Juandev: Just one note about __NOINDEX__, by default it doesn't work in main namespace (I think), would need a config change to enable it there [00:21:35] BAWOLFF IS NOT NOT NOTABLE, DELETE. [00:21:45] Carmela: Special:BlankPage ! [00:21:50] bawolff: Content namespaces. [00:21:53] But yeah. [00:22:08] The idea was to prevent people marking articles as __NOINDEX__ maliciously. [00:22:13] I think its actually just anything that's not User or project is disallowed [00:22:23] well, we can talk about it [00:22:40] bawolff: You think I'm wrong?! [00:23:16] but on the other side I woul agree with bawolff: there is no reason, to hide these pages from general public - I would just not recommend to edit tham [00:23:17] Nah, if anything the universe is just wrong [00:23:41] !wg ExemptFromUserRobotsControl [00:23:41] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl [00:23:43] but thats a general law on vw, that you dont drastically change the page without disucssion with its authors [00:23:48] Null by default, so it becomes $wgContentNamespaces. [00:24:21] ContentNamespaces is NS_MAIN by default, ofc. [00:24:53] there was also the idea to move these pages from main ns, which I think in some cases may make more mess than leaving them on site [00:26:02] Carmela: Oh weird, I think we're both wrong [00:26:30] err, nevermind [00:26:43] tricky people adding an m in $wmg [00:27:20] also, TIL the user talk namespace is noindex by default on enwiki [00:27:33] How are people supposed to stalk wikipedians by the stupid things they say! [00:27:35] I wasn't talking about Wikimedia, just MediaWiki. [00:27:46] Wikimedia has some custom config, yeah. [00:27:50] Plus robots.php. [00:27:53] And other magic. [00:28:53] bawolff: but project is probably indexed right? [00:29:04] I think I can search via google in that ns [00:29:18] Juandev: Yes, except AfD isn't (on enwiki) [00:29:54] Carmela: Either way you're right. Wikimedia overrides it in a confusing manner, only to more or less do the default [00:31:58] Not just AfD. [00:32:09] The English Wikipedia extensively uses robots.txt and __NOINDEX__. [00:35:08] so thank you very much for restrospection guys [01:15:49] Hmm, how do I do the equivalent of $( '#wpTextbox1' )[0].value = 'foo'; (To make a script edit the edit box) when WikiEditor is overwriting my changes when I hit save [01:16:55] wikieditor is overwriting your changes? [01:18:53] When I hit "show changes", it seems to submit what's in the iframe instead of what's in the textarea [01:34:48] Is there any way to limit the width of the column for labels in a HTMLForm? [01:35:10] I have pretty long field names, and putting
on the translation files is odd [01:38:17] Maybe with css [01:38:53] Yeah...max-width: whateverpx [01:54:47] hello [01:56:12] Hi. [01:56:30] hello Carmela [01:56:45] I've been editting the templates on Mediawiki.org today [01:56:50] Nice. :-) [01:57:05] for some reason modules were neglected [01:57:09] I'm going to do a bunch of editing soon, I hope. [01:57:13] great! [01:57:17] I need to clean up the RFC mess. [01:58:49] ah [01:59:07] I think the configuration options summary page needs to be updated as well [01:59:15] if people didn't do it already [01:59:36] I know there's atleast some settings that aren't on that page [02:00:18] I think I'm going to move a lot of category pages to new names [02:00:59] Ah, I was being silly earlier. My issue was that I was doing an async ajax during form submission - ajax would fire, form would be submitted before ajax returned... [02:01:57] hmm sounds like it was a frustrating issue to resolve bawolff [02:05:12] Carmela is a faggot [02:05:13] afds [02:05:13] fads [02:05:13] ads' [02:05:14] sfad [02:05:14] dsa [02:05:15] g [02:05:19] h [02:05:21] afsh [02:06:36] gj Carmela [02:06:52] The faggot with fast fingers, I figure. [02:07:04] Fabulous. [02:07:14] Heh, phaggot. [02:07:48] well [02:44:14] Is there any way to make an embeded page update when the source is updated. I'm having to edite my index page every time a change is made to an embeded page on v1.23.6 [02:45:08] Using this method... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Embed_page [02:48:42] CowboyPride: You can probably use ?action=purge instead of doing null edits. [02:51:07] Thanks I'll try that on my next edit and see if it works. [02:53:30] huh [02:53:40] mediawiki.org has {{smaller}} but not {{small}... [02:56:56] CowboyPride: It should auto update. If its not it may mean the job queue is misconfigured [02:57:04] Do you really need a template? [02:58:02] CowboyPride: What is $wgJobRunRate set to in your LocalSettings.php (If you are the system administrator for that wiki) [03:08:05] bawolff: I wonder if I even have that configured, moment... [03:08:30] CowboyPride: If not set, it should default to something relatively sane [03:09:33] CowboyPride: If you go to http://mywebsite.com/w/api.php?meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&action=query , what does it say under jobs? [03:09:35] bawolff: Yea, it's not defined [03:09:53] (replacing mywebsite with the name of your website) [03:10:49] statistics pages="36" articles="10" edits="89" images="0" users="1" activeusers="0" admins="1" jobs="3" [03:11:28] Oh hmm, that makes it sound like job queue is running fine [03:12:14] Maybe its just low number of people viewing means it takes a while before job is run (In default config, jobs get run when someone views a page) [03:12:46] So if not a lot of people visit your site, it may take you surfing around your site a little bit before the "update included pages" job gets run [03:12:48] Of course the edit i was making was a "look/feel" edit on the source.. Changed headers from level 2 to level 3 [03:13:11] Yea, I'm the only one that uses it.. it's a private wiki I use for my notes. [03:14:21] Okay I guess next time I will wait a bit before checking my index. I was checking my index right after makign the edit. [03:18:58] CowboyPride: You could try setting $wgJobRunRate = 2; in LocalSettings.php - it might make updates more likely to happen quicker [03:22:04] bawolff: That did it. [03:23:10] Well side affect of making any edit to LocalSettings.php is that all pages will clear, so if it suddenly worked, that might be unrelated to the change [03:23:20] Ah [03:23:54] Okay, we'll about to make a major commit to source page that is embedded to an index, so we'll see if it works. [03:24:10] Anyways, as Mark said above, if things aren't updating, adding ?action=purge (or &action=purge if the url already has a ? in it) will force mediawiki to re-evaluate a specific page [03:26:57] Commit made, but index has yet to update so I'll give it a few moments and see if it updates or try the purge. [03:28:06] Since making the update, api statistics went up to 6 jobs.. [03:28:08] statistics pages="36" articles="10" edits="91" images="0" users="1" activeusers="0" admins="1" jobs="6" [03:33:17] The purge worked [03:49:28] CowboyPride: Note, that its not so much a "time" thing, as the number of other pages that you have viewed on your wiki [03:51:08] Yea, per page view I saw in docs [03:51:44] Since I'm the only one that uses it, I droped the $wgJobRunRate down to 0.01 [03:52:36] Note that the default is 1 [03:53:05] 0.01 would make it so low that it would probably just never do jobs [04:00:16] what rate does wikipedia use? [04:01:21] 0 [04:02:09] no wikimedia production sites run jobs per request [04:02:21] oh, do they run them with a script? [04:03:57] https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-puppet/tree/production/modules/mediawiki/templates/jobrunner [04:06:01] hmm thank you Krenair [04:06:07] ! [04:06:07] Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot [04:06:51] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgJobRunRate [04:10:55] hmm it looks like wikipedia and the others use some sort of a cluster to run all their jobs... [04:12:32] yes [04:14:22] Nahiyan: There's multiple job runners, and various types of jobs get run on different servers so they don't mess with each other [04:14:33] ah [04:14:38] very nice [04:14:58] also I think phabricator is down, along with the bugzilla redirects [04:15:18] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-services-jobrunner [04:15:18] I'm gettings 503 service unavailable errors [04:15:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ [04:15:42] Krenair, oh thank you! :O [04:15:52] yeah... [04:15:52] A whole pile of our boxes just had issues by the looks [04:16:35] (one of which is iridium, which hosts phabricator) [04:16:58] and by "had issues" we mean "do not respond to ping" [04:17:11] hmm [04:17:15] load balancer? [04:17:41] I mean, maybe a load balancer is down [04:18:16] pretty sure the monitoring service pings each host directoly [04:18:20] directly* [04:19:37] maybe they're doing maintenance on the rack [04:20:06] umm [04:20:21] I don't know :( [04:20:24] I think we'd know if a wmf datacentre engineer was going to do maintenance on a rack :| [04:20:42] yeah [04:21:30] see #wikimedia-operations [04:22:02] oh cool [04:37:48] legoktm, I figured out what was causing the system messages problems: memcaching [04:41:24] v86 guests are up [04:44:36] wrong channel... Whoops.. [04:44:49] * CowboyPride has way to many channels open on various servers. [07:48:54] Seahorse: yay! [07:49:27] I'm more surprised that I was able to figure it out myself [07:49:54] granted, it was by turning random things on and off: but it worked [10:16:08] Hi, I am from India, the download link for mediawiki-1.24.0.tar.gz is not working [10:16:21] Any solutuions? [10:20:05] OK fine now itz working.. [12:39:32] Hello everyone :) [12:39:45] I could use a little bit of help with something. [12:45:41] theatrex: go ahead [12:47:20] How do I make it so that when a user requests a password reset, they get a noreply to their email? I followed this guide for setting up the postfix side: http://webpatrika.blogspot.com/2007/04/creating-no-replydomaincom-account-in.html Now, I'm trying to configure the mediawiki side :) [12:51:55] theatrex: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNoReplyAddress [12:52:32] Jeez, there's a $wg setting for everything isn't there? ;) :P [12:52:42] there really is [12:53:09] unless you set $wgHaveSettingForEverything to false ;) [12:53:33] $wgMakeCoffee = true; [12:53:38] :P [12:56:05] Darn the $wgMakeCoffee didn't work! :P [15:02:52] Hi I'm using Ubuntu-14.04 and trying to install mediawiki [15:03:23] trying for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki [15:03:49] is this the correct link to start for Ubuntu [15:18:19] Jagan: yeah, its fairly easy to install [15:18:31] Jagan: I just did it myself last week [15:18:47] it needs extracted to /var/www/html [15:19:02] Betacommand: [15:19:11] can you send the steps u did [15:21:09] Jagan: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu [16:08:36] how do I push my personal javascript to insert something in more lines? [16:14:17] What? [16:14:27] What are you trying to do? [16:15:17] theatrex: If you read through includes/DefaultSettings.php, you'll see a full list of settings for MediaWiki. [16:17:03] Carmela: I use norem user:Juandev/vector.js when I have sume copied code to insert strings into the edit window via buttons [16:17:17] its copied because I dont understand JavaScript at all [16:17:19] :-) [16:17:27] So what are you trying to do? [16:17:30] Add another button? [16:17:32] Remove a button? [16:17:34] Modify a button? [16:18:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride/scotus.js may be helpful. [16:18:19] It adds a button the toolbar. [16:18:21] to the * [16:22:06] Carmela: it add string to one line [16:22:40] I have button for [16:23:33] it adds in in one line, can I add it in 3 lines? 1 line: , 2nd line: sample text, 3rd line ? [16:24:21] Where's the script? [16:24:29] Can you provide a link? [16:36:11] Carmela: https://cs.wikiversity.org/wiki/U%C5%BEivatel:Juandev/vector.js [16:37:03] Juandev: So you want to change ? [16:37:12] yup [16:37:18] Juandev: What do you want instead? [16:37:48] line: , 2nd line: sample text, 3rd line [16:38:52] If you highlight text first and then press the button, does the highlighted text get wrapped? [16:40:46] * Juandev looks [16:41:31] Carmela: yes [16:41:46] Can you do that instead? :-) [16:41:51] Or do you want the button to be smarter as well? [16:42:13] sampleText: "%TEXT%" [16:42:28] Does "%TEXT%" get inserted? [16:43:56] yup [16:44:15] Betacommand> [16:44:28] I followed [16:44:29] Jagan: yeah? [16:44:41] as from the link [16:44:42] it adds %TEXT% [16:44:47] I was ended up [16:44:52] getting [16:44:58] localhost/mediawiki [16:45:08] ok [16:45:11] showing mediawiki directory contents [16:45:18] Juandev: So replace "%TEXT%" with what you want? :-) [16:45:26] Juandev: If you want a newline, I think it's just \n. [16:45:30] but it's not look like a mediawiki format [16:45:36] isn't it? [16:45:38] I see, lets see [16:45:55] Jagan: did you use a tarball or git? [16:46:02] git [16:46:26] 1.24.0 [16:47:39] Jagan: what does: [16:47:54] localhost/mediawiki/index.php [16:47:56] give you? [16:48:12] sorry I have used wget [16:48:13] wget http://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.24/mediawiki-1.24.0.tar.gz [16:48:30] thats a tarball [16:48:37] yes [16:48:51] good [16:48:58] thank you so much Carmela [16:49:03] :-) [16:49:15] Jagan: what does localhost/mediawiki/index.php show? [16:49:17] Jagan: It sounds like either PHP or mod_php is not installed? [16:49:34] You need to have the Web server actually read and execute the PHP. [16:49:51] Carmela: could be a rewrite issue too [16:50:14] Maybe! [16:50:49] or just not hitting mediawiki [16:52:17] Camela: I have installed apche2 mysql-server-5.5 php5.6 php5-mysql [16:52:24] Or the configuration is slightly weird. [16:52:37] Jagan: What does http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php give you? [16:52:40] If Apache can't start up properly, it'll sometimes just show the directory listing. [16:52:53] Or if it's configure wrong. [16:53:10] Right. [16:53:18] That's closer to what I meant. [16:53:31] marktraceur: Not Dound [16:53:34] Not Found [16:53:41] ...what [16:53:56] It showing Not Found [16:54:03] Jagan: you have /var/www/html/mediawiki [16:54:11] yes [16:54:18] Jagan: Does http://localhost/mediawiki show you a directory listing that includes "index.php", and if it doesn't, what *does* it show? [16:54:21] with all the mediawiki files in there? [16:54:40] Can you pastebin the Apache configuration? [16:55:25] Yes [16:55:35] it shows a directory [16:55:41] that I untar [16:56:05] Jagan: can you post a screenshot of that? [16:56:35] So your mediawiki files are in /var/www/html/mediawiki/MediaWiki-1.24 or something, I bet. But a screenshot would work. [16:57:22] marktraceur: thats what I am thinking [16:59:49] How could I sent screenshot [16:59:49] ? [17:00:22] Jagan: [17:00:23] http://snag.gy/ [17:06:01] Batacommand> [17:06:11] it's not working [17:06:42] Jagan: you pressed the print screen button, and then ctrl+v ? [17:07:36] yes I did the same [17:07:41] Im using ubuntu [17:09:49] Jagan: try saving the screenshot to a file and using http://imagebin.ca/ [17:10:20] http://snag.gy/HVE9p.jpg [17:10:42] Jagan: and http://localhost/mediawiki/MediaWiki-1.24 ? [17:10:46] Jagan: OK, exactly what I thought [17:10:55] Or whatever [17:11:02] Oh nvm [17:11:30] SPF> ie what U get when I did wget [17:12:07] http://localhost/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.24.0 hopefully works.. [17:12:18] Jagan: move /var/www/html/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.24.0 to /var/www/html/wiki [17:12:41] SPF|Cloud: lets get it to a more manageable place before we move on [17:13:28] I still was thinking about other problems, not really about a better place but forget that. [17:14:36] Betacommand: [17:14:41] Not Found [17:14:46] I just did [17:15:01] mv /var/www/html/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.24.0 to /var/www/html/wiki [17:15:24] Jagan: did it give you that error> [17:15:40] yes [17:15:45] "Not Found" [17:16:05] Jagan: do you have GUI access? [17:16:14] means? [17:16:31] Graphical User Interface [17:16:40] instead of terminal [17:16:43] I knew GUI [17:16:46] access means [17:16:58] Jagan: can you use the GUI [17:17:09] How to use [17:17:20] IE use the file manager in ubuntu [17:17:31] instead of command line [17:17:59] odds are there is a minor typo somewhere thats causing the CLI to not work [17:18:33] the GUI is more fool proof [17:18:44] ohhh.. [17:18:53] may be I need to see how to use [17:18:59] GUI in ubuntu [17:19:23] Jagan: all you is the terminal right now? [17:19:35] yes [17:19:38] type pwd [17:19:45] what do you get [17:20:43] hi [17:21:04] thats it? [17:21:29] What? [17:21:55] Try "mv /var/www/html/mediawiki/ /var/www/html/wiki/" or similar first [17:22:13] Yeah, there was a stray "to" [17:22:20] Then cd into the mediawiki-1.24.0 directory, "mv * ../" [17:23:08] But if you have a GUI please use that because you can mess up things a lot if you enter the wrong command, forget a slash, etc. [17:23:10] SPF|Cloud: that can cause other issues [17:23:57] mv /var/www/html/mediawiki/mediaiki-1.24.0 /var/www/html/wiki/ [17:24:06] Jagan: try that ^ [17:25:33] tried [17:25:37] betacommand [17:25:48] Jagan: and? [17:25:56] inb4 Not Found [17:26:52] Not Found [17:26:57] \o/ [17:27:39] marktraceur: do you know what the error is? [17:28:12] No, sounds bloody silly to me [17:28:19] Usually you'll get more information [17:28:25] Like *what* isn't found [17:28:45] Jagan: can you pastebin the full terminal output? [17:29:13] What gives "ls -l /var/www/html/"? [17:29:20] what is full terminal output [17:29:26] I did mv /var/www/html/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.24.0 /var/www/html/wiki/ [17:29:31] Jagan: everything in your screen [17:30:23] Jagan: http://pastebin.com/MTXGEcNB is the result for my pwd [17:31:25] I don't have profiles [17:31:34] on my /var/www/html [17:31:39] Jagan: I know [17:31:43] thats what my wiki is called [17:32:09] just run pwd and copy everything to pastebin [17:32:45] Jagan: I am going back to the basics here, so work with me [17:35:15] f [17:36:03] Jagan: ? [17:36:12] s [17:36:13] ? [17:37:15]