[00:13:55] <Polsaker>	 Hi, in a HTMLForm how can I make the label appear _over_ the field and not at the left?
[00:15:42] <Nahiyan>	 Carmela, sorry, didn't see your message... I'm fine as well
[00:16:22] <Nahiyan>	 thanks :)
[00:31:05] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:06] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:06] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:06] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:07] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:07] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:09] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:11] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:12] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:14] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:16] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:18] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:21] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:23] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:25] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:27] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:28] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:30] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:33] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:37] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:39] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:40] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:42] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:45] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggotCarmela is a faggot
[00:31:47] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:49] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:51] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:52] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:54] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:57] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:31:59] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:00] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:03] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:07] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:09] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggotCarmela is a faggot
[00:32:11] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:13] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:14] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:16] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:19] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:21] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:22] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggot
[00:32:24] <menshunhubub>	 Carmela is a faggotCarmela is a faggot
[00:36:34] <comets>	 O_O
[00:39:07] <TimStarling>	 welcome to the internet
[00:40:05] <wmat>	 heh
[00:42:28] <wmat>	 TimStarling: thx for the quick response
[00:52:44] <Saga_Musix>	 Hi. Can anyone explain what the "type" parameter for the new wrapOldPasswords.php maintenace script is supposed to look like? Doesn't seem to be documented and is not obvious from the php file itself.
[00:53:34] <legoktm>	 probably a key of $wgPasswordConfig
[00:53:59] <Saga_Musix>	 Well, I tried the obvious, but neither PBKDF2 nor pbkdf2 would work.
[00:54:17] <legoktm>	 try "pbkdf2-legacyB" ?
[00:55:02] <Saga_Musix>	 Oh right, that makes sense and seems to work. Thanks!
[01:32:11] <theatrex>	 !pdfexport
[01:32:17] <theatrex>	 !pdf export
[01:32:17] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !gitcheat, !wiki2pdf, 
[01:32:25] <theatrex>	 !wiki2pdf
[01:32:25] <wm-bot>	 Google it; one example is http://toolserver.org/~magnus/pdf.php
[01:32:45] <theatrex>	 !gitcheat
[01:32:45] <wm-bot>	 Here is an awesome quick-and-dirty Git Cheatsheet you can use. Print it off. Frame it. Hang it beside your computer. <http://www.git-tower.com/files/cheatsheet/Git_Cheat_Sheet_grey.pdf>
[01:33:12] <theatrex>	 Is the Pdf export extension safe to use? Anyone know?
[01:38:12] <legoktm>	 are you talking about Extension:Collection?
[01:38:48] <theatrex>	 I'm basically just trying to make it so that users can export articles in my wiki to PDF :)
[01:39:35] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection is what Wikimedia sites use, but it requires a bit of setup.
[01:39:59] <legoktm>	 In my experience, just using the printable version and exporting it to a pdf works well enough
[01:40:35] <theatrex>	 Hmm, I definitely find that collections extension appealing.
[01:40:47] <theatrex>	 I'll squirrel it away for later :P
[02:14:17] <Alice-Chodura>	 hello, i've got a question about user rights and namespaces. I want more namespaces at my own wiki. but every ns is linked to an special User right. I want, that files/pictues will be sorted in this special ns and that only the users with the correct rights can see them. 
[02:14:59] <Alice-Chodura>	 How could it works
[02:20:18] <legoktm>	 !cms
[02:20:18] <wm-bot>	 Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[02:20:33] <legoktm>	 !lockdown
[02:20:34] <wm-bot>	 Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For per-page access protection, see !ppp. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see !access.
[02:21:04] <legoktm>	 Alice-Chodura: ^
[02:23:58] <Alice-Chodura>	 legoktm: my boss want a wiki , thats why i ask
[02:24:30] <legoktm>	 Alice-Chodura: ok, well then you want https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[02:24:43] <Alice-Chodura>	 ok thank you
[02:28:45] <Polsaker>	 Hi, in a HTMLForm how can I make the label appear _over_ the field and not at the left?
[02:31:32] <legoktm>	 umm
[02:31:43] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: you can set the HTMLForm to div mode and use CSS to style it?
[02:33:00] <legoktm>	 I assume you want something like http://cl.ly/image/3k3D1Z3k2s3z ? 
[02:39:21] <Polsaker>	 Yep, that exactly, legoktm 
[03:15:16] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: the CSS for that is in the MassMessage extension, /me finds
[03:16:15] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: actually I think it's just done by setting the style to "div" https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-MassMessage/blob/master/includes/SpecialMassMessage.php#L60
[03:19:50] <pi->	 Can anyone help me with a MediaWiki issue? I'm using https://bitnami.com/stack/mediawiki -- https://bitnami.com/stack/mediawiki which allowed to me to local host a wiki, which I've been using to collate my neuroscience research. However upgrading to latest OS X broke it. I've downloaded a newer version that works, but how to transfer all my data across?
[03:19:56] <Polsaker>	 3.14 millions of thanks, legoktm :)
[03:20:29] <pi->	 Apologies that it isn't 100% on topic, but someone who may be able to help me get it running again
[03:21:05] <legoktm>	 pi-: tbh, I'm not sure what to do, last I checked they had forked MediaWiki and done some weird stuff to it.
[03:21:45] <legoktm>	 most data is stored in the database (except for images), can you still access that?
[03:21:54] <Polsaker>	 pi-, Probably importing/exporting the database should do it (if you can do it..)
[03:22:46] <pi->	 Unfortunately I'm such a dumbass I didn't think to export before upgrading, and now I can't go back and do it easily
[03:23:04] <legoktm>	 :/
[03:23:23] <legoktm>	 do you have backups?
[03:24:01] <rebelator>	 i am getting this error
[03:24:06] <rebelator>	 You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.
[03:24:07] <rebelator>	 Additionally, a 508 unused error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[03:24:12] <Polsaker>	 pi-, If you deleted the database then there's probably nothing you can do
[03:24:27] <Polsaker>	 rebelator, change the permissions of you mediawiki folder
[03:25:13] <pi->	 I do have the original, http://pbrd.co/12br5WJ <-- this shows the old and new side-by-side
[03:25:35] <pi->	 Might it just be a matter of copying the correct files across?
[03:25:47] <rebelator>	 how do i do that Polsaker?
[03:26:01] <pi->	 Can anyone tell me where in that file structure my actual content would be?
[03:26:09] <legoktm>	 it'll be in the mysql database
[03:26:25] <Polsaker>	 rebelator, using chmod from the terminal or via ftp
[03:26:30] <rebelator>	 Mode	User	Group	World
[03:26:31] <rebelator>	 Read			
[03:26:31] <rebelator>	 Write			
[03:26:31] <rebelator>	 Execute			
[03:26:31] <rebelator>	 Permission			
[03:26:43] <rebelator>	 so i right click on my index.php file
[03:26:47] <rebelator>	 and click change permissions
[03:26:49] <Polsaker>	 I think it is "read" for the world
[03:26:51] <rebelator>	 what do i need to set it to
[03:27:09] <legoktm>	 pi-: do you have a /etc/my.cnf file? if so, what is the datadir set to?
[03:27:12] <rebelator>	 here i will screenshot
[03:28:18] <rebelator>	 https://i.imgur.com/GOlpINw.jpg
[03:28:24] <rebelator>	 there. what do i need to change?
[03:28:28] <Polsaker>	 rebelator, just change the permissions of the folder and tick "Read" for "World"... and there should be an option to do it recursively on all the files
[03:28:50] <rebelator>	 which folder specifically?
[03:29:09] <Polsaker>	 The folder where mediawiki is on?
[03:29:12] <Polsaker>	 !403
[03:29:15] <Polsaker>	 !permissions
[03:29:15] <wm-bot>	 For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[03:29:23] <Polsaker>	 ↑ totally not that
[03:29:33] <rebelator>	 okay, the entire folder then
[03:29:44] <rebelator>	 user, group world
[03:29:47] <rebelator>	 which one needs changing?
[03:30:18] <Polsaker>	 rebelator, try ticking "execute" on all of them
[03:30:22] <pi->	 legoktm: no, this is my /etc/* : http://www.pasteall.org/55428
[03:30:28] <rebelator>	 its already checked
[03:31:23] <pi->	 I did post to the bitnami forum and got an answer here: https://community.bitnami.com/t/transfer-wiki-from-1-23-3-to-1-23-5/26629 but I don't understand how to implement it.
[03:40:52] <rebelator>	 sometimes when i go to save a page, it doesn't let me and just redirects to the home page
[03:41:06] <rebelator>	 is this a problem related to folder/index.php permissions?
[03:43:06] <Polsaker>	 legoktm, I feel like there is not enough margin between fields, how can I edit their css properties? I think that addHTML is odd for that..
[03:43:28] <legoktm>	 you can set the cssclass property and use that to style it
[03:45:17] <Polsaker>	 htmlform->cssclass("something") ? But then... where do I define the actual css class?
[03:48:43] <rebelator>	 help please
[03:48:46] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: uh no, you set the 'cssclass' as an array in the HTMLForm fields definition
[03:48:49] <pi->	 Does anyone here know their way around the mediawiki filesystem? Specifically, where do my wiki pages and resources (e.g. PDF files I added) get put?
[03:49:01] <Polsaker>	 legoktm, on each field? o_O
[03:49:04] <legoktm>	 pi-: they're in the database.
[03:49:29] <pi->	 legoktm: and where is that?
[03:49:44] <Polsaker>	 pi-, it depends on how you installed it
[03:49:46] <legoktm>	 wherever your operating system decided to put it :P
[03:49:48] <Polsaker>	 (if mysql or sqlite)
[03:49:54] <Polsaker>	 and what legoktm said
[03:50:16] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: yeah.. :/
[03:50:31] <pi->	 Is it going to be somewhere within /apps/mediawiki/ ?  Can anyone give me a filename to search for?
[03:51:05] <pi->	 Maybe I can find a reference to it in LocalSettings.php ?
[03:51:24] <rebelator>	 i get the feeling my wiki isn't installed correctly
[03:51:26] <pi->	 $wgDBname           = "bitnami_mediawiki"; ?
[03:51:30] <Polsaker>	 legoktm, and again... where can I define the css class?
[03:51:34] <rebelator>	 it will occasionally just redirect me to the home page, refusing to save the page
[03:51:45] <Polsaker>	 using something like $output->addHTML("<style>.mw-label{width: 30%;}</style>"); is odd...
[03:51:46] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: oh, via resourceloader.
[03:51:52] <legoktm>	 one sec
[03:52:10] <legoktm>	 Polsaker: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Developing_with_ResourceLoader
[03:52:16] <Polsaker>	 Thanks!
[03:52:46] <pi->	 aha! /Applications/mediawiki-1.23.3-0/mysql/data/bitnami_mediawiki now I am getting somewhere maybe...
[03:59:57] <rebelator>	 OKAY WHAT THE FUCK
[04:00:16] <rebelator>	 my wiki is refusing to let me save pages
[04:00:27] <rebelator>	 it's even refusing to let me make changes to already current pages
[04:03:28] <Carmela>	 /notice Carmela is a faggot
[04:06:05] <rebelator>	 wtf is wrong with my wiki
[04:06:40] <digimer>	 are you seeing errors after enabling debug?
[04:06:52] <rebelator>	 no i'm not.
[04:07:04] <rebelator>	 it is currently enabled
[04:08:30] <digimer>	 it's going to be hard to offer any advice without something to go on
[04:09:18] <rebelator>	 it seems to be refusing to accept certain code
[04:09:31] <digimer>	 what code is that?
[04:09:33] <rebelator>	 i can delete all the text for a page and just put a few words, and it will save
[04:09:49] <digimer>	 keep adding works until you isolate the exact string that fails
[04:09:51] <rebelator>	 but on some of my current pages, if i try to save them AS IS it will refuse
[04:10:07] <rebelator>	 i've tried that, been doing that since the beginning digimer, but it is getting really frustrating
[04:10:10] <digimer>	 you need to isolate the string that causes problems
[04:10:38] <digimer>	 frustrated or not, there isn't much anyone can do to help without debug output and with a general "it doesn't work" comment
[04:10:42] <rebelator>	 and it seems to constantly change, strings that is let me save before it now refuses to
[04:10:55] <digimer>	 you need to isolate the string that causes the problem, if figure out how to get debug output
[04:11:14] <rebelator>	 for example, it generally does not let me save a page when i have typed "dick"
[04:11:41] <digimer>	 sounds like a bad word filter
[04:11:56] <rebelator>	 where do i find this filter and destroy it
[04:12:09] <digimer>	 I said "sounds like", not "is"
[04:13:44] <rebelator>	 so..
[04:16:07] <rebelator>	 i can list you all my installed extensions?
[04:16:18] <digimer>	 just disable them
[04:16:33] <digimer>	 if the problem goes away, start re-enabling them until the problem comes back
[04:16:51] <rebelator>	 how do i disable them easily?
[04:17:14] <digimer>	 comment them out of LocalSettings.php, I suppose
[04:17:37] <rebelator>	 can you give me the text?
[04:17:49] <digimer>	 no
[04:17:56] <digimer>	 I don't know your version, OS, etc
[04:18:05] <digimer>	 see how other lines are commented out, replicate
[04:18:15] <digimer>	 usually you can comment with '#' at the start of a line
[04:20:02] <rebelator>	 ugh
[04:20:14] <rebelator>	 im just gonna delete all these fucking extensions
[04:20:39] <rebelator>	 could TitleBlacklist be a problem?
[04:20:59] <digimer>	 dunno, read up on it
[04:21:12] <digimer>	 all extensions have a page explaining their purpose and use
[04:22:17] <rebelator>	 please help me
[04:22:28] <digimer>	 I just did...
[04:22:49] <rebelator>	 im going to screenshot
[04:22:53] <rebelator>	 you tell me which to delete
[04:23:09] <digimer>	 did you read up on the extension?
[04:23:11] <digimer>	 no
[04:23:17] <digimer>	 you have to do some work yourself
[04:23:28] <rebelator>	 yes i did read up on that one
[04:23:34] <rebelator>	 im not sure if it would cause an issue
[04:23:46] <digimer>	 disable it, test
[04:23:53] <digimer>	 simple debug process
[04:24:07] <rebelator>	 i do not understand how to disable it
[04:24:38] <rebelator>	 https://i.imgur.com/kSoEohH.jpg
[04:24:45] <digimer>	 I explained how
[04:25:01] <digimer>	 I have no idea what that screenshot is
[04:25:07] <rebelator>	 thats all my extensions
[04:25:09] <digimer>	 edit the LocalSettings.php file directly
[04:25:21] <digimer>	 you're using a UI I know nothing about, I can help, sorry
[04:26:15] <rebelator>	 what do i specifically type into localsettings.php
[04:26:56] <rebelator>	 i guess it's also possible that my entire wiki isn't configured correctly
[04:27:04] <digimer>	 I can't answer that
[04:27:17] <rebelator>	 Carmela can you help?
[04:27:41] <Carmela>	 Where is the wiki hosted?
[04:27:44] <digimer>	 I think you're confusing "help" with "fix it for me"
[04:28:25] <rebelator>	 namecheap webhosting
[04:28:29] <rebelator>	 do you want the file structure?
[04:29:58] <rebelator>	 i just want my wiki to work
[04:30:05] <rebelator>	 ive wasted too much time trying to get this working
[04:30:16] <rebelator>	 when i could have been writing articles
[04:30:29] <rebelator>	 if i have to reinstall it all i will do that
[04:31:56] <Carmela>	 Perhaps a hosted solution would be better for you.
[04:32:01] <Carmela>	 Like a WordPress or Blogspot blog.
[04:32:14] <Carmela>	 If you just want to write articles, that's probably a lot easier. And someone else can host it.
[04:32:32] <Carmela>	 There are smaller, simpler wiki packages.
[04:33:03] <rebelator>	 i like mediawiki
[04:33:09] <rebelator>	 it's ideal for my website
[04:33:13] <rebelator>	 i just want it to fucking work
[04:33:26] <rebelator>	 why does it have to be so stupid? sending me to the home page without telling me why
[04:34:22] <digimer>	 maybe you need to talk to your hosting provider, if they setup the site for you
[04:34:38] <rebelator>	 i used their installer called softoculous
[04:34:53] <digimer>	 then ya, you probably want to talk to them
[04:34:55] <pi->	 I've put my problem up on stack overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27221756/transfer-wiki-between-different-mediawiki-versions-manually-by-copying-files 
[04:35:38] <rebelator>	 ok i am going to talk to them
[04:37:15] <digimer>	 In the meantime, perhaps just don't cuss on your wiki, if it seems to be a bad-word filter related issue?
[04:40:39] <rebelator>	 not necessarily
[04:40:44] <rebelator>	 it does it for a variety of things
[04:40:51] <rebelator>	 it lets me say most cuss words
[04:41:31] <rebelator>	 if it were that simple i would be happy
[04:44:02] <rebelator>	 namecheap support is of course stupid as fuck
[04:44:09] <rebelator>	 with no answers
[04:45:29] <digimer>	 maybe you should get a VPS or a provider that rents raw hardware, install your own OS and install MW fresh
[04:45:31] <ori>	 pi-: can you pastebin a full file listing of those directories? (the output of 'find /Applications/mediawiki-1.23.3-0/' should do)
[04:45:33] <digimer>	 then you'll have full control
[04:46:05] <rebelator>	 or i guess i could install a MW package without using their installer
[04:46:16] <rebelator>	 but then i will lose all my pages/stats
[04:46:25] <digimer>	 backup the DB
[04:46:34] <digimer>	 you should have a backup strategy anyway
[04:46:54] <rebelator>	 how do i do that simply
[04:47:06] <digimer>	 no idea, depends on your host, the OS, etc
[04:47:32] <rebelator>	 there's not a simple way to do it like with wordpress?
[04:47:32] <pi->	 ori: http://www.pasteall.org/55429
[04:47:59] <digimer>	 I don't use wordpress, so I can't say
[04:48:13] <digimer>	 most databases have a DB dumping tool
[04:48:22] <digimer>	 I use pg_dump
[04:49:21] <rebelator>	 this is so hard :(
[04:49:44] <rebelator>	 why cant MW be simple to use
[04:51:28] <digimer>	 "simple" is relative to patience and experience
[04:53:09] <rebelator>	 how should i fix this problem?
[04:53:29] <digimer>	 you've been given a few things to try and do
[04:53:44] <digimer>	 it sounds like you're looking for a magic bullet, when it's going to take trial and error
[04:53:47] <rebelator>	 im worried i will ruin my site if i try to back it up and reinstall
[04:54:02] <digimer>	 then hire a consultant
[04:54:13] <rebelator>	 no. this should be easier than that
[04:54:13] <digimer>	 right, fast, cheap; pick two
[04:54:54] <digimer>	 for "right and cheap" means the trade off is "slow". you have to work through the diagnostic steps you've been given, slowly, one step at a time
[04:55:09] <digimer>	 as for backing up your data, I'd worry about sorting that out first
[04:55:22] <digimer>	 get a backup of the data, create a test install elsewhere, experiment on the test data
[04:55:30] <rebelator>	 hmm hold on
[04:55:35] <digimer>	 if you work on the real data, you will run the risk of ruining your site
[04:55:36] <rebelator>	 maybe namecheap will get this solved
[04:55:39] <rebelator>	 they said
[04:55:45] <rebelator>	 "As I can see, there were triggered mod_security rules. Please hold on, I will ask our techs to whitelist them"
[05:12:01] <legoktm>	 rebelator: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ModSecurity might be useful then?
[05:14:31] <rebelator>	 legotkm: so this thing is enabled by default?
[05:14:39] <legoktm>	 by your webhost apparently
[05:14:41] <rebelator>	 or do i add that line of code into my Localsettings.php?
[05:18:05] <legoktm>	 um, your .htaccess
[05:21:13] <rebelator>	 hmm
[05:21:23] <rebelator>	 i guess i will wait for whatever the namecheap people are doing to finish
[05:21:40] <rebelator>	 then if that doesn't work i will put that into the .htaccess file
[05:49:57] <rebelator>	 YES MY PROBLEM IS SOLVED
[05:49:59] <rebelator>	 HAHAHAHA
[05:50:05] <rebelator>	 turned out my webhost had a filter 
[05:50:12] <rebelator>	 that was rejecting some stuff
[06:09:43] <Nahiyan>	 rebelator, great! I was just spectating for so long
[06:10:26] <rebelator>	 eh maybe i spoke too soon
[06:10:33] <rebelator>	 that seemed to fix some of it, but not all of it
[06:10:38] <rebelator>	 i might have to talk to them again
[06:10:47] <rebelator>	 but i think i have diagnosed the problem
[06:11:42] <Nahiyan>	 great!
[06:11:49] <rebelator>	 thanks
[07:31:55] <lasdam>	 is it easily doable to give each user in mediawiki their "own wiki" that no other regular users can edit? also to have/enable/use a tree hierarchy/navigation?
[08:17:22] <lasdam>	 dead channel
[08:21:25] <rebelator>	 you dont say that
[08:21:35] <rebelator>	 say it again i'll ban you
[08:28:29] <Nemo_bis>	 hexmode: for your tasks, this channel makes more sense than wikimedia-dev, I'm editing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-in_2014#Contacting_Wikimedia_mentors feel free to revert, of course
[08:47:05] <lasdam>	 all I know is that nobody except me had said anything in 2 hours, and I'm sure it would continue that way unless I had said that the channel is dead.
[08:49:41] <Nahiyan>	 lasdam, well I have had a problem I'm trying to solve now for over 3 hours
[08:50:04] <Nahiyan>	 not related to mediawiki, but it looks like no one in the IRC channels has experience with it :(
[08:52:19] <lasdam>	 I've had my problem for years - finding the right piece of software for making my own personal knowledge base
[08:53:49] <Nahiyan>	 hm
[08:54:10] <Nahiyan>	 for your second part what do you mean?
[08:55:54] <lasdam>	 the details?
[08:56:19] <lasdam>	 do you want the details? I mean.
[11:09:23] <yang>	 I am wondering how could I insert an existing mediawiki mysql DB into a new installation of mediawiki ?
[11:13:44] <Reedy>	 just enter the db details during install, it'll detect mew
[11:13:45] <yang>	 looking for some kind of a manual
[11:13:55] <Reedy>	 mw is there already
[11:14:08] <yang>	 Reedy: are you sure it wont "overwrite" the previous mysql database with the new MW settings ?
[11:14:40] <yang>	 I mean like installing the additional new tables into old DB
[11:15:47] <yang>	 is there some manual that explains it, the manuals that I've read were saying to backup old DB and then mysql install it as new
[12:03:56] <yang>	 Reedy: it worked, thank you
[12:04:03] <Reedy>	 yay
[12:04:58] <yang>	 ;)
[12:08:11] <yang>	 Reedy: another question , where can I set the correct URL for the page now it defaults onto the user page...
[12:08:32] <yang>	 Do I need to edit that  into LocalSettings.php ?
[12:08:48] <Reedy>	 What do you mean it defaults to the user page?
[12:09:14] <yang>	 I mean now its like http://123.123.123.123/~yang/mediawiki and I want it to be like www.something.com
[12:09:26] <yang>	 I forgot where to change that
[12:13:55] <Reedy>	 That's in your webserver config
[12:14:07] <Reedy>	 Some minor changes will be needed to your mw config after
[12:14:22] <yang>	 well
[12:14:23] <yang>	 I mean 
[12:14:32] <yang>	 I can browse to www.something.com
[12:14:43] <yang>	 but clicking on  links it goes to http://123.123.123.123/~yang/mediawiki in the URL bar
[12:14:52] <Reedy>	 ah
[12:14:54] <yang>	 yep
[12:15:14] <yang>	 I forgot how to enter mediawiki settings...where that is set
[12:15:23] <Reedy>	 Anything for $wgServer or $wgCanonicalServer in your LocalSettings.php ?
[12:15:25] <Reedy>	 !config
[12:15:25] <wm-bot>	 All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[12:15:42] <yang>	 ok
[12:16:01] <yang>	 does apache needs to be reastarted each time LocalSettings changes are applied ?
[12:16:12] <Reedy>	 Nope
[12:16:57] <yang>	 I hve found those values, thank you
[12:18:04] <yang>	 so I can now comment $wgScriptPath
[12:18:13] <yang>	 since the wgServer is www,something.com
[12:18:26] <yang>	 and what about wgScriptExtension
[12:21:02] <Reedy>	 You should have them as something like
[12:21:03] <Reedy>	 $wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[12:21:03] <Reedy>	 $wgScriptExtension  = ".php";
[12:21:03] <Reedy>	 $wgScript = "$wgScriptPath/index.php";
[12:21:03] <Reedy>	 $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
[12:21:08] <Reedy>	 Though, those may be the defaults
[12:21:11] <yang>	 ok if I commented those two then the website becomes broken again
[12:21:47] <yang>	 I just replaced the wgServer from http://123.123.123.123 to www.something.com
[12:42:21] <Steinsplitter>	 Titleblacklist ist working imediataly when changed?
[12:43:23] <Steinsplitter>	 and Filename-prefix-blacklist is action on wmfwikis or it was switched off?
[12:54:43] <Feinstein>	 good day,may i ask if someone is able to help me with the ldap extension? i can`t get SSL working 
[12:59:58] <andre__>	 Feinstein: I don't think I can help, but you could elaborate what you've tried and which errors or behaviors you experience
[13:01:46] <Feinstein>	 i am using mediawiki on a windows server 2k12,it is running on a IIS and i recently enabled the ldap plugin.everything is working when i am using "clear" as encryption (ie. no encryption at all) but once i switch to ssl it stops working
[13:02:18] <Feinstein>	 the logs only tell me "failed to bind as XXusernameXX"
[13:07:39] <Steinsplitter>	 and somone know from where this blue blox is loaded? from some .js file, but i can't find nothing in common.js O_O https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?uselang=qqx
[13:08:57] <Steinsplitter>	 uhm, no found. 
[13:08:59] <Steinsplitter>	 rsolved
[13:29:29] <pi->	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27221756/transfer-wiki-between-different-mediawiki-versions-manually-by-copying-files <-- can anyone help me with this issue?
[13:40:22] <Nahiyan>	 pi-, in a normal installation you would mainly move over the settings file (LocalSettings.php), the images directory (that holds all the files) and maybe the logo
[13:40:47] <Nahiyan>	 along with most other things that anyone modified
[13:40:59] <Nahiyan>	 but I don't know the procedure for bitnami
[13:43:10] <Betacommand>	 pi-: why would you want to do it that way? thats the hardest way
[13:43:28] <pi->	 Betacommand: What other options do I have?
[13:43:37] <Reedy>	 pi-: You realise you've posted your passwords...?
[13:43:52] <Betacommand>	 pi-: what are you trying to do?
[13:44:05] <pi->	 Reedy: that's the least of my problems
[13:45:10] <pi->	 Betacommand: I don't think I can give more information than the link I posted
[13:45:27] <Betacommand>	 pi-: are you trying to upgrade your wiki or what?
[13:46:05] <Betacommand>	 pi-: Oh, thats fairly easy
[13:47:24] <Betacommand>	 copy your lcoalsettings.php and your /images directory to the new location, and run /maintenance/upgrade.php 
[13:54:04] <pi->	 Betacommand: how do I run /maintenance/update.php ? 
[13:54:26] <Betacommand>	 pi-: from the terminal 
[13:55:37] <pi->	 Betacommand: it isn't executable... '-rw-rw-r--  1 pi  admin  6823 29 Oct 17:57 update.php'
[13:56:24] <Betacommand>	 pi-: that means your permissions are screwed up too
[13:56:46] <Betacommand>	 !package pi- 
[13:56:46] <wm-bot>	 Many Linux distributions provide MediaWiki in a packaged format for that distro. These packages typically contain obsolete & unsupported versions of MediaWiki; they also like to move around & change files, & do other super-counterproductive things. You'll get the best support here if you install MediaWiki directly from one of our tarballs - https://www.mediawiki.org/ - or Git https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[13:56:55] <Betacommand>	 !package | pi- 
[13:56:55] <wm-bot>	 pi-: Many Linux distributions provide MediaWiki in a packaged format for that distro. These packages typically contain obsolete & unsupported versions of MediaWiki; they also like to move around & change files, & do other super-counterproductive things. You'll get the best support here if you install MediaWiki directly from one of our tarballs - https://www.mediawiki.org/ - or Git https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[13:57:51] <pi->	 Is a .php file ever executable? Doesn't it need to be run by a web browser?
[13:58:02] <marktraceur>	 pi-: PHP programs can be run locally too.
[13:58:53] <pi->	 ok, I will start from scratch if I need to. But first I will try and get it working with what I have.
[13:59:46] <pi->	 If I launch Bitnami's app, it shows it has started up a MySQL server and an Apache WebServer. Maybe I need this to be running in order to execute update.php?
[14:02:39] <pi->	 meh https://gist.github.com/p-i-/837dc924d6e26b0e5b5c
[14:06:44] <Betacommand>	 pi-: looks like the Bitnami app is really doing something strange
[14:08:06] <Betacommand>	 !install pi- 
[14:08:07] <wm-bot>	 Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[14:08:26] <Betacommand>	 pi-: ^
[15:13:02] <SPF|Cloud>	 pi-: why are you executing ./update.php as a bash script?
[15:15:04] <pi->	 SPF|Cloud: I knew that was going to fail in advance. But how *do* I execute ./update.php?
[15:16:06] <SPF|Cloud>	 Normally "/usr/bin/php update.php" should work
[15:18:29] <SPF|Cloud>	 pi-, to which version do you want to upgrade?
[15:19:55] <pi->	 1.23.6
[15:20:06] <SPF|Cloud>	 from 1.23.3?
[15:20:50] <pi->	 yes
[15:22:30] <SPF|Cloud>	 Running update.php is not really needed as you are upgrading from and to the same REL1_23 branch. I've never used bitnami, don't they offer a simple "upgrade" button?
[15:34:18] <pi->	 https://bitnami.com/stack/mediawiki <-- they don't seem to offer any kind support
[15:34:32] <pi->	 This was a giant mistake on my part to use their product
[15:35:21] <pi->	 It really did get me started in a couple of clicks at a time when I didn't want to invest half a day in doing it manually
[15:35:34] <pi->	 But this upgrade issue has really scuppered me
[15:46:39] <Brujo_del_71>	 Polsaker PoIsaker
[15:46:45] <Brujo_del_71>	 Mehh
[15:49:41] <Polsaker>	 !ops Brujo_del_71 is Tintle, the troll.
[15:50:00] <Brujo_del_71>	 !ops Polsaker is MistrX, the troll
[16:16:11] <SPF|Cloud>	 pi-: I don't know if it would cause problems in bitnami, but what about upgrading it manually by replacing the 1.23.3 files with the 1.23.7 (and I mean 7) files>?
[16:23:21] <pi->	 SPF|Cloud: I can't see which files constitute my wiki content, so I can't see which files to replace.  I have a working 1.23.6. If I could only isolate the content files from the old (and now not working) 1.23.3 and move them across...
[16:52:50] <Betacommand>	 pi-: your files are just /images and localsettings
[16:53:07] <Betacommand>	 and perhaps /extensions 
[16:53:13] <pi->	 What about the wiki pages I created?
[16:53:26] <Betacommand>	 pi-: those are in the database
[16:54:51] <pi->	 How do I find that? Is that even in /apps/mediawiki/?
[16:55:24] <Betacommand>	 pi-: dont worry about that, its independent of mediawiki
[16:56:32] <pi->	 Yes, but since it is the entire stack I've replaced, maybe I need to transfer the database across as well as things in /apps/mediawiki/
[16:56:53] <Betacommand>	 it should be there
[16:57:35] <pi->	 http://www.pasteall.org/55447 <-- that is all of root items
[16:57:51] <Betacommand>	 pi-: your database isnt a file
[16:58:16] <pi->	 Where is it likely to be located?
[16:58:49] <Betacommand>	 pi-: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL for the most common db 
[16:59:45] <pi->	 ah ok http://www.pasteall.org/55448 <-- this must be it
[17:00:02] <pi->	 That's at least one reason why I was failing earlier
[17:00:06] <pi->	 brb food
[17:07:52] <Steinsplitter>	 ^^images/
[17:25:20] <pi->	 It seems strange that the wiki pages I create get stored outside of /mediawiki/, yet resources I add such as images and PDFs get stored *inside*.
[17:26:54] <sinix>	 Hi all, I'm doing a skin, and I need to treat special pages differently - does anyone know how to check whether a page is a Special page in the skin?
[17:26:59] <Steinsplitter>	 text is in db, but files not. pi-
[17:33:48] <Betacommand>	 pi-: correct
[18:30:38] <sinix>	 ok, I found a javascript variable that holds the namespace, and my namespace check executes correctly on MOST special pages
[18:30:54] <sinix>	 But for some reason, the Preferences page isn't firing common.js at all
[18:31:00] <sinix>	 Anyone know why that might be?
[18:32:05] <sinix>	 http://localhost/index.php?title=Special:SpecialPages returns "Special" as the namespace, but 
[18:32:22] <sinix>	 http://localhost/index.php?title=Special:Preferences returns NO namespace
[18:32:36] <samirketema>	 Hello
[18:32:48] <sinix>	 sorry, that's not right - preferences isn't even firing the common.js check
[18:32:48] <samirketema>	 Any contributing developers here? lol
[18:33:04] <samirketema>	 Guys I found a javascript bug I think
[18:33:08] <samirketema>	 I don't know who to talk to haha
[18:33:39] <samirketema>	 Does anyone have an email or something to let Wikimedia people know of a bug?
[18:33:43] <greg-g>	 samirketema: sinix report a bug, please
[18:33:54] <greg-g>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/
[18:59:12] <legoktm>	 sinix: MediaWiki:Common.js doesn't run on Special:Preferences.
[20:59:58] <wmat>	 is there any information in the wild on how WMF uses Google Search Appliances?
[21:01:56] <Reedy>	 wmat: WMF don't...
[21:02:19] <wmat>	 oh, wonder why i thought they did
[21:03:09] <Reedy>	 We use ElasticSearch
[21:03:21] <wmat>	 that would make sense
[21:14:21] <Jonnyw2k>	 Is it just me, or is the download link slow?
[21:28:35] <legoktm>	 Jonnyw2k: which download link?
[21:36:08] <Jonnyw2k>	 legoktm: http://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.24/mediawiki-1.24.0.tar.gz
[21:37:06] <legoktm>	 hmm, it's a bit slow
[21:37:49] <legoktm>	 from NYC is was pretty fast, but netherlands was slow
[21:38:33] <marktraceur>	 Don't worry everyone, superman is flying around testing our latency from different cafes across the world.
[21:38:42] <marktraceur>	 He's on the payroll.
[21:40:19] <legoktm>	 NYC was faster than the WMF office wifi.
[21:40:55] <^demon|lunch>	 Most things are ;-)
[21:41:03] <legoktm>	 102MB/s in tool labs :P
[21:42:58] <legoktm>	 from france is decent.
[21:43:19] <legoktm>	 Jonnyw2k: so, probably something in the middle rather than that server :P
[22:17:59] <unicodesnowman>	 hi, anyone doing GCI?
[22:21:34] <marktraceur>	 unicodesnowman: I'm sure some people are! Can we help you with something?
[22:22:59] <unicodesnowman>	 marktraceur, just curious how many are doing it for wikimedia this year :) ty!
[22:23:21] <MatmaRex>	 unicodesnowman: you mean, how many mentors?
[22:23:28] <MatmaRex>	 !mw GCI 2014
[22:23:28] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GCI_2014
[22:23:53] <MatmaRex>	 22, apparently! huh.
[22:25:02] <unicodesnowman>	 MatmaRex, I mean participants, but yeah there are so many mentors! 
[22:25:58] <MatmaRex>	 there were a few people here over the weekend announcing themselves as GCI students :) i don't remember the nicknames right now
[22:44:27] <m4tx>	 unicodesnowman, I'm a GCI student :)
[22:45:13] <unicodesnowman>	 m4tx, oh hey, I saw your name last year :)
[22:45:16] <unicodesnowman>	 did you win?
[22:45:23] <m4tx>	 yup :P
[22:45:28] <m4tx>	 And I wanna win another time :D
[22:45:54] <unicodesnowman>	 congrats! i'm similar to you, i was one of the gci2012 winners.
[22:46:16] <m4tx>	 oh, congrats
[22:47:40] <m4tx>	 unicodesnowman, do you wanna win this year, too? I mean, are you going to work hard for the next 1.5mo?
[22:48:20] <unicodesnowman>	 m4tx, think I will! were there many wikimedia gci students last year?
[22:49:03] <m4tx>	 hm, for me it looked like there was ~8 students working for the first half of the GCI
[22:49:36] <m4tx>	 then, there was something like 5 students until the last 1 week or so
[22:49:46] <unicodesnowman>	 ah
[22:49:52] <m4tx>	 and finally, in the last week only 3 students were working
[22:50:12] <m4tx>	 btw., student with most tasks completed didn't become a Grand Prize Winner
[22:50:57] <unicodesnowman>	 mhm yeah
[22:52:15] <m4tx>	 unicodesnowman: have you done any tasks yet?
[23:00:08] <unicodesnowman>	 m4tx, sorry, net issues. (i'm working on a irc bouncer right now). nope, not yet
[23:02:36] <unicodesnowman>	 andre__, can I ask you about https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5845998534393856 ?
[23:02:56] <andre__>	 unicodesnowman, sure you can ask me, but what's your question? :)
[23:07:31] <unicodesnowman>	 andre__, I'd like to work on the task :) I plan on generally using creative google queries (eg specific mediawiki strings) plus the company's name to try and find any mediawiki installations, looking for their jobs / for hire page and see if they have any mentions of mediawiki, as well as look through their website for anything that might lead to a wiki
[23:08:00] <andre__>	 unicodesnowman: that sounds pretty good to me! Though hexmode here might be a better person to ask as he's one of the mentors :)