[00:07:23] <Sia->	 enabling this VisualEditor with 1.23 is impossible
[00:10:11] <Sia->	 i got the Error "Error loading data from server: parsoidserver-http-curl-error: couldn't connect to host. Would you like to retry?"
[00:10:15] <Sia->	 any idea?
[00:18:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Sia-: That means you haven't set up Parsoid correctly
[00:18:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Or it may not be running
[00:21:11] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, is enabled but can't loaded it
[00:21:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Is Parsoid running? On what URL? Can you point your browser to that URL?
[00:21:44] <RoanKattouw>	 (Something like http://localhost:8000/ )
[00:22:06] <Sia->	 chawg.org/wiki
[00:22:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Sia-: OK let me put it this way, what is $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL set to in your settings?
[00:23:17] <Sia->	 yes to loacalhost
[00:24:24] <RoanKattouw>	 localhost:8000 ? Or :8142? Or something else?
[00:25:40] <Sia->	 i've tried both because on chawg.org running debian
[00:25:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh OK
[00:26:12] <RoanKattouw>	 If you click on either of these links: http://localhost:8000/ http://localhost:8142/ does either of them give you a Parsoid welcome page?
[00:26:37] <Sia->	 i get the localhost from my machine note my server
[00:26:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh it's your server, right
[00:26:50] <Sia->	 server is in France not at home
[00:26:51] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[00:27:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Try running the following on the server's command line:
[00:27:13] <RoanKattouw>	  wget -O- http://localhost:8142
[00:27:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Then try again with 8000
[00:27:29] <RoanKattouw>	 For at least one you will see an error like Connecting to localhost (localhost)|127.0.0.1|:8142... failed: Connection refused.
[00:27:42] <Sia->	 ok
[00:27:43] <RoanKattouw>	 But hopefully for one of them you'll get a long response with HTML tags in it
[00:29:36] <RoanKattouw>	 If both of them fail in exactly the same way, then most likely Parsoid isn't running
[00:32:24] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, http://pastie.org/9775231
[00:32:37] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, so probably Parsoid isn't running
[00:33:31] <Sia->	 i'm using mediawiki 1.23.7 and as mediawiki howto page, have enabled the Pasoid extension also
[00:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[00:33:42] <RoanKattouw>	 But did you install the Parsoid Debian package?
[00:33:47] <RoanKattouw>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup
[00:34:12] <Sia->	 chawg.org/wiki/Special:Version
[00:35:11] <RoanKattouw>	 You should follow the instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup#Ubuntu_.2F_Debian_on_amd64 if you haven't already
[00:35:31] <Sia->	 ok
[00:35:44] <hl3fx>	 i found that if your /etc/hosts file does not have a '127.0.0.1 domain.name.used.for.parsoid' visual editor will fail.  also, for parsoid, make sure your firewall is not blocking connections
[00:36:27] <Sia->	 ok
[00:36:34] <RoanKattouw>	 hl3fx: Good to know. Could you add those bits of information to the documentation on mediawiki.org, perhaps?
[00:36:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Maybe in the troubleshooting section
[00:36:55] <hl3fx>	 i actually created a full installation procedure, very in depth... since it took me so long to figure it out. 
[00:37:12] <hl3fx>	 it's on a private wiki, right now.  i will add it to a public wiki tonight
[00:37:12] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, then user with shared hosting, should forget this VirsualEditor, right
[00:37:27] <hl3fx>	 with shared hosting, yes.  it would be sooo hard
[00:37:40] <RoanKattouw>	 There are alternative setup instructions that don't require root
[00:37:47] <gwicke>	 getting a vps is easy and cheap though
[00:37:51] <RoanKattouw>	 That too
[00:38:03] <gwicke>	 $3/month typically
[00:38:13] <hl3fx>	 yes, get a vps.  i use linode, but atlantic.net has $5/mo that would work as well
[00:38:17] <gwicke>	 example: http://www.ovh.com/us/vps/
[00:38:24] <RoanKattouw>	 If you want to, you can do https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup#Manual_installation_on_Linux_or_Mac_OS_X instead and that lets you set things up locally without root
[00:38:28] <Sia->	 gwicke, vps server is not a kindergarten, to run all this stuff
[00:38:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Even on shared hosting
[00:38:54] <RoanKattouw>	 It's just that those instructions are more complicated so we don't point people to them unless we have to
[00:38:59] <gwicke>	 Sia-: in many ways it's easier than shared hosting, as you get to use proper packages
[00:39:16] <gwicke>	 apt-get install parsoid instead of all this manual installation stuff
[00:39:17] <hl3fx>	 thanks for the tip gwicke, ovh.com*
[00:39:44] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, ok thanks because iøm afraid to install even contrib repos in my server
[00:39:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure, yeah
[00:40:01] <Sia->	 gwicke, hehehe OVH is sick
[00:40:10] <RoanKattouw>	 I am actually more familiar with the manual instructions because that's what I did
[00:40:34] <Sia->	 i was with them almost, 2 years. just stupid company ever
[00:40:38] <gwicke>	 I have used OVH in the past, worked well for me then
[00:40:43] <RoanKattouw>	 The manual instructions are also good for VisualEditor developers :)
[00:41:23] <gwicke>	 yeah, for development packages are less ideal
[00:43:04] <hl3fx>	 RoanKattouw, where should i update any info for troubleshooting VisualEditor (as you mentioned)
[00:43:15] <hl3fx>	 can you just link me
[00:43:23] <RoanKattouw>	 Probably https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Troubleshooting
[00:43:39] <hl3fx>	 thanks
[00:44:41] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, this "git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/services/parsoid" where should i put to get working, that just Persoid package
[00:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Sia-: Any directory that you own is fine
[00:45:08] <RoanKattouw>	 It can literally be anyhwere
[00:45:28] <Sia->	 ok how to link to Parsoid ?
[00:45:37] <Sia->	 in Localsetting.php
[00:48:32] <RoanKattouw>	 $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL = 'http://localhost:8000';
[00:48:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Also check that that wget thing from before now works
[00:48:56] <RoanKattouw>	 (once you have finished installing Parsoid and have started it)
[00:49:44] <Sia->	 $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL = 'http://localhost:8000' 
[00:49:59] <Sia->	 is added and doesn't change anything 
[00:50:39] <Sia->	 where can i tell in LocalSettings.php to load Parsoid manually?
[00:52:00] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, http://pastie.org/9775253
[00:52:04] <Sia->	 is the same
[00:52:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Did you follow the instructions all the way through?
[00:53:13] <RoanKattouw>	 You also have to follow "Nodejs", "JS dependencies", "Configuration" and "Run the serfver"
[00:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	 -f
[00:53:22] <Sia->	 which one, you linked 10 links
[00:53:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Sorry
[00:53:32] <RoanKattouw>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup#Manual_installation_on_Linux_or_Mac_OS_X
[00:53:36] <RoanKattouw>	 The first subsection is "Get the Parsoid code"
[00:53:49] <RoanKattouw>	 But you also have to do  "Nodejs", "JS dependencies", "Configuration" and "Run the server"
[00:54:14] <RoanKattouw>	 And once you've got everything working you should do "Starting the Parsoid service automatically" as well
[00:54:49] <Sia->	 NodeJS need root as you see in that page
[00:54:55] <Sia->	 sudo apt-get ----
[00:56:39] <RoanKattouw>	 argh right
[00:56:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Unless nodejs is installed already
[00:57:04] <RoanKattouw>	 You can also install nodejs locally
[00:57:11] <RoanKattouw>	 There are instructions for that on the nodejs web site
[00:57:23] <RoanKattouw>	 But it's worth running node --version   and nodejs --version   to see if it's already installed
[00:58:20] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, thanks anyway i tried before, isn't working this way. 
[00:58:53] <Sia->	 i'll skip this visual editor, until get stable and worked version. as i see google is full with issues
[00:59:21] <RoanKattouw>	 Well if you don't have root access it's never going to be easy
[00:59:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Waiting for a stable/better version isn't going to make the installation process much easier
[00:59:50] * gwicke nods; those VPS's are really fun ;)
[00:59:52] <Sia->	 i have root access even with root access doesn't work i've posted you the 
[01:00:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, you could use your root access to install nodejs, and then it would work
[01:00:55] <Sia->	 RoanKattouw, the installation is Buggy
[01:01:00] <RoanKattouw>	 How is the installation buggy?
[01:01:10] <RoanKattouw>	 What did you do from the instructions that didn't behave as it should have?
[01:01:24] <Sia->	 no i don't install JS or any non supported package from debian repos
[01:01:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Well
[01:01:49] <RoanKattouw>	 If you refuse to do things that the instructions tell you to do, then it won't work
[01:02:00] <Sia->	 no that not true
[01:02:06] <Sia->	 the installation is Buggy
[01:02:12] <RoanKattouw>	 You need nodejs in order to use VisualEditor, that is true now and it will be true forever
[01:02:22] <Sia->	 take a look in Talk page from Visual studio
[01:02:33] <Sia->	 even with VPS and root not working
[01:03:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Are you talking about the "not working for logged users" thread?
[01:03:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Because at the end that person says "This error occurs after enable the extension "BetaFeatures". Without it I have not this error and VE work for logged user."
[01:04:26] <Sia->	 if somebody survive the mine field, it doesn't mean the minefield doesn't exist. sorry but is Buggy Editor
[01:04:56] <Sia->	 if for you working, doesn't mean also is working perfect
[01:06:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah the installation process is complicated and people run into problems
[01:07:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Most of the questions we get are people not following the instructions correctly
[01:07:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Which probably means they're not clear enough
[01:07:15] <RoanKattouw>	 IF you have
[01:07:24] <RoanKattouw>	 If you have specific suggestions for improving the instructions I'd love to hear them
[01:09:24] <TimStarling>	 you know I tested my action=visualeditoredit changes with no parsoid installed
[01:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	 haha
[01:09:38] <TimStarling>	 the method is probably not for everyone though
[01:09:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Pointed it to production?
[01:09:47] <RoanKattouw>	 And faked local oldids?
[01:10:12] <RoanKattouw>	 I've done that before to test experimental VE code against specific buggy pages on enwiki
[01:11:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Or did you just mock a service on localhost:8000?
[01:11:17] <TimStarling>	 http://paste.tstarling.com/p/FVPPVr.html
[01:11:24] <RoanKattouw>	 LOL
[01:11:37] <RoanKattouw>	 James_F is laughing uncontrollably right now
[01:27:33] <marktraceur>	 TimStarling: Good job
[01:27:45] <marktraceur>	 gwicke is kicking himself thinking "it's so SIMPLE"
[01:29:25] <gwicke>	 ;)
[01:41:48] <hl3fx>	 is there a way to make a single page public on a private wiki?
[01:42:23] <hl3fx>	 i suppose i could google it.  i have read a bunch on it all already, i just have not decided what i could use yet
[01:42:42] <hl3fx>	 and, i understand that it's not what a wiki is intended for, bla bla bla.  
[01:42:43] <Fiona>	 hl3fx: There's a whitelist read variable, yes.
[01:42:49] <hl3fx>	 oh, ok cool
[01:42:53] <hl3fx>	 i think i saw that before actually
[01:42:57] <Fiona>	 The Main Page is readable by all by default.
[01:42:59] <Fiona>	 As is Special:UserLogin.
[01:43:07] <Fiona>	 Though I think the latter is hardcoded.
[01:43:13] <Fiona>	 But you can specify an additional page.
[01:43:31] <hl3fx>	 yay, thanks. i'll check it out
[01:48:01] <hl3fx>	 can you see this page? http://wiki.storm5.com/w/Mediawiki_with_VisualEdtitor_Extension_Installation_on_Ubuntu_14.04
[01:49:39] <hl3fx>	 i made it as i was creating a new wiki for a client, so hopefully it's accurate.  i have not tested it yet. 
[02:50:11] <RoanKattouw>	 !wg ReadWhitelist
[02:50:11] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadWhitelist
[02:50:15] <RoanKattouw>	 hl3fx: ---^^
[02:51:54] <UserProd>	 i'm trying to install 1.24.0 with the installer, and at the step "Options" it's supposed to detect the skins in my skins folder
[02:51:59] <UserProd>	 but it's saying it can't find any
[02:52:44] <hl3fx>	 oh, i already figured it out. i posted the link above of the tutorial i wrote.  it should be working
[02:53:17] <hl3fx>	 i had to white list that, and the discussions for that
[02:58:57] <UserProd>	 also, it seems to be setting $wgDBmysql5 = true;
[02:59:03] <UserProd>	 when the manual page seems to say it should be false
[03:07:06] <ankita_>	 hello! I am using mediawiki-vagrant for development purpose
[03:07:30] <ankita_>	 There's a slight trouble I face every time I run vagrant up
[03:07:50] <ankita_>	 It won't set up the environment if there's no internet connection
[03:08:26] <ankita_>	 Is that a necessity or is vagrant up supposed to run even without an internet connection?
[03:08:38] <aaronbeaty123>	 To whoever's on: What would you consider the difference between a pain point and a bug?
[03:09:47] <aaronbeaty123>	 My initial thoughts are that a pain point might be something that works but it very difficult to use, while a bug is something that doesn't work at all
[03:25:34] <Evan_M>	 aaronbeaty123, that makes sense, I'd pretty much agree
[03:26:40] <aaronbeaty123>	 Evan_M: Thanks!
[03:32:26] <UserProd>	 also, doesn't seem like the installer is giving the user ID it creates the proper authorizations to the database it creates
[04:22:43] <rishiraj>	 Hello! I am new here. I want to contribute to Mediawiki.
[04:23:26] <rishiraj>	 May anyone please guide me?
[04:45:07] <phoenix303>	 Hi everyone! I am trying to install  MediaWiki-Vagrant using instructions in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant but on executing command setup.bat "Failed to execute command  vagrant plugin list" error occurs. Need help to resolve this issue .
[04:47:52] <ori>	 phoenix303: what happens if you run 'vagrant plugin list'?
[04:50:16] <phoenix303>	 I have not run vagrant plugin list
[04:51:04] <ori>	 can you try?
[04:52:25] <phoenix303>	 How should i run it?
[04:53:39] <ori>	 do you know how to use the command prompt? ('cmd.exe')
[04:53:56] <phoenix303>	 yes
[04:55:24] <phoenix303>	 what is the command to give? "vagrant plugin install" ?
[04:56:16] <ori>	 yes
[04:56:59] <phoenix303>	 It show "Failed to find vagrant!"
[05:14:32] <ankita_>	 hi!
[05:15:01] <ankita_>	 can i directly use the git clone commands to clone any repo in vagrant/mediawiki ?
[05:15:28] <ankita_>	 or is it meant only for core/
[05:15:29] <ankita_>	 ?
[07:13:15] <ankita_>	 hi, could someone please help me with vagrant?
[07:16:32] <ankita_>	 i have the local setup running on one branch that i once created for submitting a bug
[07:16:41] <ankita_>	  whereas for the master branch, the screen displays an error "Class undefined: MWLogger"
[07:22:43] <Damentor>	 can i get some help on recreating this infobox?
[07:22:44] <Damentor>	 http://hdm.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Individual_infobox
[07:31:20] <Damentor>	 please
[10:54:29] <Nemo_bis>	 hi@example.com is becoming increasingly common, I'll keep it mind for next time I email sysadmins of ancient MediaWiki releases ;)
[11:06:48] <lokio>	 Hi, can someone tell me, how i can edit the Email-Templates sent to mediawiki users? I found: "MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body" but there has to be more ;-)
[11:09:33] <TimBanchi1>	 hello, I have a very simple problem but cannot get to solve it: I want the domain name in the URL shown, not the servername. I can access the mediawiki with http://mywiki.domain.com, but the url changes to http://servername/mediawiki/....
[11:10:19] <TimBanchi1>	 my sites-enabled/mediawiki: ServerName mywiki.domain.com DocumentRoot /var/www/mediawiki. all the rest unchanged
[11:10:48] <TimBanchi1>	 my LocalSettings.php: $wgServer="http://servername"; (if I change to domain name I cannot access the wiki any more
[11:11:14] <TimBanchi1>	 I tried aliases in my apache config but this didn't change anything
[11:49:02] <zuzak>	 did you reload apache
[12:03:26] <TimBanchi1>	 hello zuzak, yes of course I did
[13:00:15] <samu>	 hello
[13:00:34] <samu>	 how can I include a css with @font-face in my skin, if I'd like to use html('headelement') ?
[14:24:30] <samu>	 ;<
[15:20:03] <gorbyto0904>	 anyone here that could help me out with recording from a kinect model 1414 im using ubuntu 14.04 and im just new to opencv and ubuntu. Just need it for my project, any help would mean a lot thank you
[15:21:00] <gorbyto0904>	 anyone please? im having trouble with libusb.h not being found by freenect.hpp :(
[15:43:37] <marktraceur>	 Wow, what a crazy case of wrong channel.
[15:44:16] <^d>	 srsly.
[16:43:15] <arduinoob>	 Does someone here have an example modsec chain that will prevent brute force attempts on Special:UserLogin
[16:52:36] <ad0nis>	 Is there any way to insert a multiline <pre> or <nowiki> block in the middle of a numbered list? I keep getting my second item labeled as '1'.
[16:53:34] <MatmaRex>	 ad0nis: only if you use HTML syntax for the entire list. <ol><li>Item 1</li><li>Item 2</li><li><pre>code block</pre></li></ol>
[16:54:54] <ad0nis>	 MatmaRex: Thank you for that work-around. Any chance that'll be simpler in a future version? It seems that code blocks in a numbered list should be something a lot of people would use - like almost any code-related tutorial...
[16:55:21] <MatmaRex>	 no idea. filing a feature request definitely won't hurt. :)
[16:55:22] <MatmaRex>	 !newbug
[16:55:22] <wm-bot>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/
[16:56:27] <Vulpix>	 ad0nis: there's a bug for that: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3581
[16:57:37] <Vulpix>	 reported back in 2005, so don't expect a fix anytime soon :)
[16:57:52] <Vulpix>	 maybe for MediaWiki 2.0 :D
[16:58:03] <ad0nis>	 Vulpix: Thank you.
[17:03:45] <ad0nis>	 MatmaRex: The <li> method you gave gives me a bullet-pointed list - I am aiming for numbered steps...
[17:04:03] <MatmaRex>	 ad0nis: use the <ol> tag around the list
[17:05:15] <ad0nis>	 MatmaRex: That did it. Thank you!
[17:05:32] <MatmaRex>	 :)
[17:05:36] <ad0nis>	 I can't believe how much HTML I've forgotten - I should have known that.
[17:09:46] <ad0nis>	 Just a thought for that bug - Perhaps numbered lists (lines starting with #) shouldn't be terminated by a single newline? - Perhaps you should need a second newline to start that second list - this would be much more intuitive, and would also simultaneously fix the usability issue of having to use "# Step 2: Do the Needful. <br/> [[File:diagram.png]]" to keep pictures from breaking lists, and they could be naturally added between steps.
[17:10:53] <ad0nis>	 Just my $0.02 after having to spend more time trying to figure out how to mark up my steps than I did creating the tutorial in the first place.
[17:12:32] <Vulpix>	 that would probably not be done, since it could potentially break a lot of existing pages
[17:15:56] <ad0nis>	 As you joked earlier, perhaps it could be a Version 2.0 sort of thing? Your old syntax will work up until the last version of 1 that's released, but 2.0 will support our new "sane syntax".
[17:16:32] <ad0nis>	 XD
[17:16:51] <ad0nis>	 Anyway. Sorry for all the gripes. I really do appreciate the quick answers to my questions.
[17:17:06] <ad0nis>	 Have a good one.
[17:23:47] <Vulpix>	 !2.0
[17:23:47] <wm-bot>	 No, seriously, 2.0. Have a tracking bug: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T72000
[17:23:58] <Vulpix>	 wm-bot troll
[17:30:06] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future
[18:27:01] <aelevadoan>	 hello
[18:27:02] <aelevadoan>	 o/
[18:27:19] <aelevadoan>	 does anyone have an example of a mediawiki apache configuration file for debian/ubuntu?
[18:29:30] <Vulpix>	 aelevadoan: it depends on what do you need to configure. You can perfectly put all the contents in htdocs and not configure anything in apache
[18:30:20] <aelevadoan>	 but i want the configuration file
[18:31:28] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: 
[18:32:01] <Vulpix>	 what configuration file? httpd.conf?
[18:32:24] <aelevadoan>	 NO
[18:32:28] <aelevadoan>	 Sorry
[18:32:31] <aelevadoan>	 caps lock got stuck
[18:32:36] <aelevadoan>	 I mean the mediawiki.conf
[18:32:45] <aelevadoan>	 in sites-available
[18:35:59] <Vulpix>	 I don't have that information, sorry. Maybe see if there's an existing example configuration file, or a configuration for anything else and copy it, changing the directory as needed
[18:36:53] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: I cant find an example configuration file on the internet
[18:37:15] <Vulpix>	 I mean in your sites-available
[18:37:44] <aelevadoan>	 i did that
[18:37:50] <aelevadoan>	 but i need a more specific one
[18:38:00] <aelevadoan>	 because its giving me an error when I try to acces the wiki
[18:39:06] <Vulpix>	 oh, please, say what error are you getting
[18:39:13] <Vulpix>	 !xy
[18:39:13] <wm-bot>	 The XY problem is asking about your attempted *solution* rather than your *actual problem*. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/66378
[18:45:25] <arduinoob>	 that's such a ridiculous response
[18:56:49] <aelevadoan>	 James_F|Away: dr0ptp4kt: do you knw how to configure mediawiki with apache on a ubuntu?
[18:58:31] <dr0ptp4kt>	 aelevadoan: yes. simplest if doing your own local testing is to use MediaWiki-Vagrant, though. what's up?
[18:59:35] <aelevadoan>	 im getting an error to access to localhost/mediawiki dr0ptp4kt
[19:00:10] <aelevadoan>	 i have mediawiki in /var/www
[19:01:48] <aelevadoan>	 i get a 404 not found error
[19:03:15] <aelevadoan>	 dr0ptp4kt: i have a mediawiki.conf file in sites-available
[19:03:25] <aelevadoan>	 i see a lot alias definitions
[19:03:34] <aelevadoan>	 in the apache2.conf file
[19:04:22] <Vulpix>	 aelevadoan: could you pastebin your mediawiki.conf?
[19:04:47] <aelevadoan>	 ok
[19:04:48] <dr0ptp4kt>	 aelevadoan: yeah, a lot of things that can go askew there. had a chance to look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu ? if you're trying to test out local stuff, i would maybe consider skipping the setup hassles and instead use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[19:06:02] <dr0ptp4kt>	 aelevadoan: alsowhat Vulpix said.
[19:06:11] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: dr0ptp4kt: http://pastebin.com/9A97DfxB
[19:07:12] <aelevadoan>	 dr0ptp4kt: is it easier to use?
[19:07:58] <dr0ptp4kt>	 aelevadoan: i think it's easier to use, particularly for developing stuff on mediawiki core and on extensions.
[19:08:33] <Vulpix>	 aelevadoan: you have /var/www/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.24.0/ in RewriteRule, but /var/www/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.0.24.0 in everything else (look at the version number)
[19:08:37] <dr0ptp4kt>	 aelevadoan: maybe try changing "aelevadoan: try pointing ServerName wiki.yourdomain.com to "ServerName wiki.yourdomain.com" to "ServerName localhost", and then go and access http://localhost after doing a sudo apachectl restart
[19:08:37] <aelevadoan>	 Im not going to develop
[19:08:55] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: thanks
[19:09:07] <aelevadoan>	 k
[19:10:18] <Vulpix>	 if all your sites are in localhost, I don't think you should use virtual hosts at all
[19:11:15] <Vulpix>	 well, unless you use something like testwiki.localdomain.com and add an entry in /etc/hosts pointing testwiki.localdomain.com to 127.0.0.1 for example (that's what I use for testing)
[19:11:52] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: do you suggest I outrule virtual host?
[19:13:41] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: dr0ptp4kt: I changed the servername to local host
[19:13:47] <aelevadoan>	 and it hasnt changed anything
[19:13:53] <aelevadoan>	 it still gives me 404
[19:14:05] <Vulpix>	 you could unpack all files directly in the root public directory of apache, no need to configure more things
[19:14:33] <aelevadoan>	 in var/www/html?
[19:14:41] <aelevadoan>	 Vulpix: 
[19:16:11] <Vulpix>	 in ubuntu I don't know. Googling a bit some people point at /var/www
[19:33:21] <dr0ptp4kt_>	 aelevadoan: gotta drop to go on a videoconference, but feel free to email me if you'd like to setup a time to troubleshoot on Skype or Google Hangouts. i do recommend trying that mediawiki-vagrant stuff. it tends to "just work". one challenge with the manual setup in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu or more generally, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki is that the instructions need to be
[19:33:22] <dr0ptp4kt_>	 followed very carefully. and even then you gotta sometimes adjust for your particular machine's setup. hence why i like mediawiki-vagrant - sometimes you gotta destroy a virtual machine and startover, but not so many configuration differences due its design of having everything built in.
[19:33:32] <dr0ptp4kt_>	 i'm adam baso in real life - find me on wikimediafoundation.org
[19:33:35] <dr0ptp4kt_>	 gotta go
[19:52:14] <samu>	 When writing a custom mediawiki skin, is it possible to disable default css?
[19:52:32] <samu>	 mediawiki loads some css rules for my site which I don't want, for example the a:visited{} rule
[19:53:04] <MatmaRex>	 usually yes
[19:53:05] <Vulpix>	 why not override it in your skin's CSS?
[19:53:48] <MatmaRex>	 samu: your skin's code probably loads some of the mediawiki.skinning.* modules, which implement these kinds of things - just don't load them :)
[19:54:13] <samu>	 MatmaRex: yeah, I guessed that, I just don't know where to look for it
[19:54:42] <samu>	 oh, wait, I think I got it
[19:54:50] <samu>	 now that I grepped for mediawiki.skinning, let's try that.
[19:56:08] <samu>	 that was it. I didn't know what was mediawiki.skinning.interface for. Thanks ;)
[20:00:43] <samu>	 MatmaRex: just one last question - does the same apply for javascript?
[20:01:29] <MatmaRex>	 um, no, generally you can't kill mediawiki's javascript from a skin.
[20:01:58] <samu>	 well, ok. that's fine,  because my javascript doesn't really interfere with it
[20:02:28] <samu>	 but I'm asking, because I've added bootstrap javascript to the 'scripts' array, but It does not get loaded.
[20:21:32] <Joergi>	 Ho ho ho guys!
[20:23:51] <Joergi>	 Is it correct that $wgValidSkinNames is not used anymore?
[20:25:29] <Joergi>	 I am asking, because it at least does no longer seem to contain the vector skin in MediaWiki 1.24...
[20:26:28] <Reedy>	 Skins aren't shipped by default (if you haven't noticed)
[20:26:40] <Reedy>	 So it won't have been updated...
[20:28:09] <Joergi>	 So ... are you saying that it _should_ add itself to that array?
[20:29:36] <Joergi>	 Vector has its configuration Vector.php, where such a line would fit nicely (and where it would also be included, when the skin gets included with require_once().)
[20:32:16] <MatmaRex>	 Joergi: it can be used by a skin, but doesn't have to
[20:32:27] <MatmaRex>	 Joergi: you should use Skin::getSkinNames() to get a link of installed skins
[20:33:02] <Joergi>	 MatmaRex: So if it does not contain all skins, what is this variable good for?
[20:33:24] <MatmaRex>	 um
[20:33:37] <MatmaRex>	 it can be used to register a skin
[20:33:44] <MatmaRex>	 that's all it's good for
[20:33:55] <MatmaRex>	 it's not good for getting a list of all registered skins, since there are other ways to register one
[20:34:00] <MatmaRex>	 (and there have always been)
[20:34:22] <Joergi>	 So it also doesn't make sense to use it to register a skin.
[20:34:26] <Joergi>	 So...
[20:34:59] <Joergi>	 It should either contain a _complete_ list or it should be deprecated?
[20:35:01] <Platonides>	 "and there have always been" -> not in prehistoric days
[20:35:23] <Joergi>	 Platonides: but these are past.
[20:47:29] <Joergi>	 MatmaRex: Nevermind, thanks for the hint!
[20:47:59] <MatmaRex>	 Platonides: even in prehistoric days
[20:48:09] <MatmaRex>	 Platonides: skin autodiscovery predates that configuration option, even
[21:16:11] <matthewburton>	 what's the best way to redirect domain.com to domain.com/wiki? i tried a rewrite rule in my Apache conf file, but it broke the path to my skins
[21:44:55] <Nemo_bis>	 matthewburton: Did you find https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL in the meanwhile?
[21:45:59] <matthewburton>	 no, i switched to Redirect, which caused an infinite loop, which i then fixed