[00:29:23] <Technical_13>	 @seen Fiona
[00:29:23] <wm-bot>	 Technical_13: Fiona is in here, right now
[00:30:20] <Technical_13>	 Fiona bawolff said to talk to you about getting the admin bit on mediawiki wiki to work on the backlog in [[MW:Category:JavaScripts using deprecated elements]].
[00:31:32] <wm-bot>	 This user is now online in #wikimedia-dev. I'll let you know when they show some activity (talk, etc.)
[00:31:32] <Technical_13>	 @notify Fiona
[01:20:59] <SGMonkey>	 If this is the code for an image in a template
[01:20:59] <SGMonkey>	 |colspan=4|{{#if:{{{image|}}}|<div style="text-align:center">[[File:{{{image|}}}|frameless|center]]{{NewLine}}<span style="font-size:87%">{{{fullimgdesc|{{{title|}}} {{{name}}} {{{imgdesc|}}}}}}</span></div>}}
[01:20:59] <SGMonkey>	 How do i then put an image in place when referencing that template?
[01:21:30] <SGMonkey>	 |image=ImageName.png
[01:21:30] <SGMonkey>	 But how do i alter the width?
[01:28:21] <ElmerG>	 Evening all.
[01:29:35] <Krenair>	 hi
[01:29:43] <ElmerG>	 How's it going?
[01:42:25] <T13|mobile>	 JD|cloud: it's on its own page now.
[01:48:14] <ElmerG>	 I have a question about an oddity in MW 1.24.1. I have an old mediawiki running 1.22.6, and I'm using the same code on a 1.24.1 instance. There is a visual difference in the headers though. I have a background color to them, and on the 1.24.1, they show extra space on the top and bottom, using the same exact code. Would anyone have an idea where I might look, or how I might adjust this? I think the extra block color around the he
[01:48:14] <ElmerG>	 aders throws off my design.
[02:59:14] <wmat>	 ElmerG: Vector skin?
[02:59:24] <ElmerG>	 Yes.
[02:59:44] <wmat>	 I think you could use the broswer tools to see what's changed
[03:00:12] <wmat>	 I seem to recall something about Vector headers changing
[03:00:35] <ElmerG>	 Yeah; I'm going to check it with the Chrome element inspector when I get it uploaded .RIght now though I seem like I'm having an issue with uploading the backup. 
[03:00:37] <wmat>	 although, that might only be in the master branch
[03:02:02] * ElmerG nods. Another random question: in my cPanel it tells me my file upload is 20MB in PHP. I can't upload the backup; it's just shy of 3MB and I have no alterations to filesizes in LocalSettings.php
[03:03:31] <wmat>	 perhaps add an override to LocalSettings.php and up it to see what happens, just for your backup upload
[03:05:26] * ElmerG nods. I'm looking through the settings for that in LocalSettings.php on the mediawiki document site now.
[03:06:07] <Fiona>	 OH GOD.
[03:06:20] <Fiona>	 T13|mobile: There's a requests page.
[03:06:36] <Fiona>	 T13|mobile: I doubt you'll have trouble getting support / lack of opposition.
[03:07:35] <Fiona>	 T13|mobile: Admins generally can't edit other users' JavaScript without permission.
[03:08:19] <Fiona>	 Well, developers do it regularly.
[03:08:32] <Fiona>	 But admins editing personal user subpages is kind of frowned upon.
[03:12:44] <ElmerG>	 Weird. I set it to 5MB using this parameter: $wgMaxUploadSize = 5120; and it still says upload failed/file size exceeds upload limit.
[03:15:36] <Fiona>	 Increasing file upload size is annoying.
[03:31:59] <T13|mobile>	 Fiona: I've put a request on that page. :)
[03:32:11] <T13|mobile>	 Was away watching a movie.
[03:37:36] <Fiona>	 Cool.
[03:48:04] <ElmerG>	 Fiona: Heh. Right now I really only need it to upload a backup. I don't really upload anything bigger than 2MB. 
[03:48:44] <unicodesnowman>	 ElmerG, what does your php.ini say?
[03:49:05] <unicodesnowman>	 I've never worked with cpanel, but maybe your php.ini has a lower limit than what cpanel uploads allow
[03:49:14] <ElmerG>	 Apparently I was mireading the cPanel. When I check the stats using a PHP trick a friend gave me, it lists it as 2MB. I don't have root access. I'm on shared hosting.
[03:49:43] <Fiona>	 You may be able to override the PHP setting.
[03:49:51] <Fiona>	 Via .htaccess or a local php.ini file.
[03:50:23] <unicodesnowman>	 ElmerG, dunno what host you're with, some let you edit the php.ini. e.g. namecheap: https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/9314/2219/how-to-edit-phpini-on-shared-servers
[03:50:34] <unicodesnowman>	 this is a question you need to ask your hosting provider's support channels
[03:51:19] <ElmerG>	 Yeah; I was trying to see if it was something in my mediawiki install, as I had been misreading one of the upload listings as the file size, not the upload limits. I'm asking them now.
[05:26:50] <Daley>	 Can anyone help me install mediawiki 1.24.1?
[05:29:09] <marktraceur>	 !install | Daley
[05:29:09] <wm-bot>	 Daley: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[05:29:25] <Daley>	 If I could do that, I wouldn't be in here.....
[05:31:13] <marktraceur>	 Daley: Then tell us what problem you're having!
[05:32:15] <Daley>	 the site config it says wiki name then wiki name in an editable box, is that the default?
[05:32:50] * ElmerG hrms. Okay, that's weird. Another 1.24.1 error. I have the Vector skin enabled, but the collapsible nav is not working by default.
[05:33:47] <marktraceur>	 Daley: Would you mind giving us a screenshot?
[05:33:49] <marktraceur>	 !screenshot
[05:34:24] <Daley>	 thats what I was thinking...
[05:35:04] <Daley>	 saved the screenshot
[05:35:51] <marktraceur>	 Upload it somewhere useful, and give us a link :)
[05:36:01] <Daley>	 how about email?
[05:36:06] <marktraceur>	 No like
[05:36:12] <marktraceur>	 Daley: Go to http://lut.im
[05:36:15] <Daley>	 me no like link
[05:36:21] <marktraceur>	 Well that's silly
[05:37:13] <marktraceur>	 !screenshot is In order for us to diagnose your problem, please take a screenshot of the error message or strange display you are seeing, then upload it to an image host like https://lut.im and share the link with us.
[05:37:14] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[05:38:29] <Daley>	 wouldnt that be visible to everyone?
[05:38:38] <marktraceur>	 Daley: Don't screenshot anything private.
[05:38:46] <marktraceur>	 Or scribble it out with your image manipulation program
[05:41:09] <Daley>	 https://lut.im/xPRcuGGn/PXmdFtdD
[05:41:44] <marktraceur>	 Daley: Just change it. It must be the default.
[05:42:05] <Daley>	 thats the way it was. I havent renamed it
[05:43:56] <marktraceur>	 Daley: So rename it now?
[05:44:01] <marktraceur>	 I don't see the problem
[05:44:37] <Daley>	 so the name wikiname in the box that's not visible to anyone after installation?
[05:49:40] * ElmerG yawns. I think I'll mess with this tomorrow. Hopefully I can get the collapsible to work. 
[05:49:54] <Daley>	 hope so too, ElmerG.
[05:50:55] <ElmerG>	 And same to you, Daley. I don't really want to uninstall and reinstall, or go back down versions.
[05:56:47] <Daley>	 Don't worry about it. Came up with a crap load of errors and missing files.
[09:58:26] <erwyn>	 Hello
[09:58:50] <jubo2>	 Hello erwyn
[09:59:16] <erwyn>	 I do have a question about the parsercache
[10:00:27] <erwyn>	 I am writing a mediawiki extension, and I would like the parser cache NOT TO CACHE on submit/edit so that it reparse the article. We want the caching to be done only on FIRST VIEW of an article
[13:10:06] <erwyn>	 Is there anyone who knows how to bypass parser cache in a hook in order to have access to ArticleAfterFetchContent hook after an edit or submit?
[13:24:40] <Nemo_bis>	 Replied in #wikimedia-dev
[13:30:47] <erwyn>	 thanks Nemo_bis 
[14:43:32] <Preid2905>	 Hello
[14:43:51] <Preid2905>	 I was wondering if it would be possible to get some assistance?
[14:45:31] <Preid2905>	 i've been trying to setup MediaWiki; I installed using the tar, I'm running on Debian 7 Wheezy and my web server is nginx. My PHP and MySQL versions meet the requirements. I (believe) i have all the depedencies installed
[14:46:04] <Preid2905>	 I am trying to load my wiki to configure it
[14:46:17] <Preid2905>	 as detailed in the documentation
[14:46:25] <Preid2905>	 however I am getting a 'blank white page'
[14:47:15] <Preid2905>	 I am aware of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page ; however I do not yet have a LocalSettings.php because I cannot yet configure my installation
[14:48:16] <Preid2905>	 Would anyone be able to provide me with assistance in this issue? Just say my name and I should see your response at some point :) Thank you in advance
[14:49:35] <kanto501>	 question: apparently since Mediawiki 1.23 the search feature is using cirrusSearch. Searching has always been less than ideal but I'm confused on how this new search works. It does not appear to work like the CirrusSearch help page says, anyone know where I might find information to help with this?
[14:52:42] <kanto501>	 Preid2905, I'm not familiar with your setup but have you looked at Apache settings? you are using Apache right?
[14:55:23] <Preid2905>	 nginx web server;  I cannot move to apache due to the existing infrastructure of my organistation
[14:56:56] <kanto501>	 Preid2905 oh, I have experience with nginx so I'm afraid I will not be much help to you. sorry :(
[14:57:12] <kanto501>	 I mean no expereince with nginx
[15:00:42] <Preid2905>	 it's okay
[15:01:07] <Preid2905>	 do you know if mediawiki supports using the CGI port rather than the socket?
[15:01:24] <Preid2905>	 because i'm using the port rather than the unix socket
[15:03:43] <wmat>	 do I need a 3rd party library to get the MWLoggerFactory class? 
[15:03:55] <wmat>	 PHP is complaining it's missing this morning
[15:04:22] <kanto501>	 Preid2905: wild guess would be port is ok. Do you have error logs to look at. either from nginx or php?
[15:06:47] <Preid2905>	 PHP errors would usually log to my nginx log; and 'standard' errors such as a 404 are being logged; but it's reallyyyy bizzarre. Nothing is being logged as regards to the blank pages
[15:07:04] <Preid2905>	 absolutely nothing in the logs that php errors usually end up in
[15:08:37] <Preid2905>	 curling the pages in question returns absolutely nothing
[15:13:52] <kanto501>	 Preid2905, it sure sounds to  me like your webserver is not serving up/starting mediawiki
[15:23:53] <jubo2>	 Hiya and BIG BIG THANKS THANKS for the awesomest wiki software on the Planet Earth
[15:24:08] <jubo2>	 I need to make a wiki so only sysops can add users
[15:24:45] <jubo2>	 I installed reCAPTCHA on http://GloBBA12.si/wiki ( a free business study wiki ) and it seems to be holding some machines away but some are getting through
[15:25:02] <jubo2>	 and that URL needs the missing trailing slash
[15:26:01] <jubo2>	 also I
[15:26:21] <jubo2>	 also I'm experiencing slowness of save in that and one other wiki on the same VPS
[15:26:54] <jubo2>	 the page loads, previews and diffs load fast on both but when I hit SAVE it always takes tens of seconds
[15:27:03] <jubo2>	 prlly some extension gone broken
[15:27:15] <jubo2>	 I'm setting the mediawiki debugging on right now
[15:28:10] <Preid2905>	 ah right
[15:28:12] <Preid2905>	 i found the issue
[15:28:39] <Preid2905>	 it was the @rewrite block on the nginx wiki
[15:37:00] <jubo2>	 This:
[15:37:01] <jubo2>	 $wgDebugLogFile = "/sites/globba12.si/logs/mediawiki.log";
[15:37:16] <jubo2>	 doesn't seem to be working as expected
[15:37:30] <jubo2>	 I 'touch'ed the mediawiki.log file and permissions are ok
[15:37:51] <jubo2>	 doesn't MW automatically read all changes made to LocalSettings.php without restarting ?
[15:38:04] <jubo2>	 at least I think I've been observings such good behaviour
[15:38:31] <myself>	 Our group has an internal MediaWiki instance, which is fairly small. Very few pages have Talk pages, meaning nobody thinks to check them. Is there a way to make the "discussion" link appear visually distinct when there's content on the talk page? 
[15:51:08] <Preid2905>	 now that i'm installed: i swear the editor isnt meant to look like this http://puu.sh/eUSLP/ae8e356839.png
[15:51:53] <Preid2905>	 i installed WikiEditor whne i was installing it
[15:57:13] <marktraceur>	 Preid2905: Can you check [[Special:Version]] and make sure it's installed?
[15:57:26] <Preid2905>	 ah; i just had to enable it on user preferences
[15:57:39] <marktraceur>	 Aha.
[16:08:49] <malaverdiere>	 I have a n00b problem. I set up mediawiki, ran the command-line installer, and it reported a success, but then my browser gets redirected to http://localhost:8080/mediawiki/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page, which is one /mediawiki too many
[16:08:54] <malaverdiere>	 how can I fix that?
[16:11:22] <Vulpix>	 malaverdiere: you may need to adjust $wgScriptPath
[16:11:51] <Vulpix>	 !wg ScriptPath | malaverdiere 
[16:11:51] <wm-bot>	 malaverdiere: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgScriptPath
[16:12:08] <Vulpix>	 what's up with wm-bot?
[16:12:10] * malaverdiere is looking it up right now
[16:12:22] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgScriptPath
[16:17:52] <malaverdiere>	 Vulpix: I got it right
[16:17:56] <malaverdiere>	 I'm getting there :)
[16:41:29] <codezee>	 is mobile friendly view on mediawiki enabled by the mobile frontend extension?
[16:43:51] <Krenair>	 yes
[16:44:21] <codezee>	 Krenair:ok, thanks!
[16:44:40] <FlorianSW>	 is there any exception in context of 4wgLoadScript? I set it to another server (like wikimedia does it for the wikis), but there are still some modules, which get loaded from the local load.php script :/
[16:53:11] <malaverdiere>	 I have a quick question. I want to create a new repo and set the access rights. I did so, commited and pushed my gitolite-admin repo. Yet when I push I get FATAL: W any <repo> <user> DENIED by fallthru
[16:53:43] <malaverdiere>	 wrong window sorry
[16:53:46] <Krenair>	 malaverdiere, how is this related to mediawiki?
[16:54:05] <malaverdiere>	 Krenair: wrong tab - that was meant for #gitolite, my bad
[16:54:11] <Krenair>	 :)
[17:11:09] <jubo2>	 Where can I contact Wikiteam ?
[17:11:40] <jubo2>	 And why is '$wgDebugLogFile = "/sites/globba12.si/logs/mediawiki.log";' in LocalSettings.php doesn't work ?
[17:12:18] <jubo2>	 Prlly wrong user
[17:12:18] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: most probably issue is webserver doesn't have permissions to write to that location
[17:12:35] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: The web server can write to access.log and error.log in that directory
[17:14:29] <Vulpix>	 php open_basedir restriction, etc
[17:18:09] <wmat>	 is there no Variable for the category of a page?  Like, {{Category1}}{{Category2}} etc.?  I need to grab the first category that appears on a page for a script.
[17:19:05] <marktraceur>	 wmat: Um...so...are you asking for a variable in *wikitext*?
[17:19:19] <marktraceur>	 Because those are called magic words
[17:19:32] <marktraceur>	 But I don't think there's a way to do that in wikitext
[17:21:25] <wmat>	 well, when a page renders, i want to parse the category name (the first one that occurs) with Javascript for some external metrics code
[17:21:47] <marktraceur>	 OK, JavaScript, now we're getting somewhere
[17:24:15] <marktraceur>	 wmat: $( '#catlinks ul li a' ).each( function ( category ) { ... } ) might work
[17:24:30] <marktraceur>	 Though gadgets adding things to the interface may screw with it
[17:24:42] <marktraceur>	 I guess you could use a:first to help with that
[17:25:28] <Vulpix>	 $('li a', '#catlinks').map(function(i, o) { return o.title; }).get(0);
[17:27:58] <wmat>	 thanks, i'll try it out
[18:50:52] <Samian>	  I'm trying to install mediawiki on my edu account to serve as the course website for a class I'm teaching
[18:50:56] <Samian>	 so I'm reading here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki
[18:51:11] <Samian>	 it states "Another way to initially start the MySQL server is to run the configure script available at the root of the installation."
[18:51:32] <Samian>	 what's filename of the script?
[18:51:35] <Samian>	 It doesn't say on the site
[18:52:31] <zocky>	 is there a way to make the api search return full URLs of found pages?
[18:52:48] <Vulpix>	 Samian: do you need to install mysql on the server? or is mysql already installed?
[18:53:04] <Samian>	 mysql is already installed
[18:54:13] <Samian>	 in putty, which I'm using to ssh into my uni account, it states: mysql  Ver 15.1 Distrib 5.5.38-MariaDB, for Linux (x86_64) using readline 5.1
[18:54:29] <Samian>	 when I tryp mysql --version
[18:55:11] <brion>	 zocky: not that i know of offhand but if you need to query the URL structure of an arbitrary site you can use meta=siteinfo — https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general
[18:55:19] <Phoenix303>	 While merging patch in gerrit it throws error : "This change was unable to be automatically merged with the current state of the repository. Please rebase your change and upload a new patchset." https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/186212/
[18:55:25] <brion>	 the ‘server’ and ‘articlepath’  vars give what you need
[18:55:43] <Vulpix>	 Samian: if mysql is already installed and running you can skip that. In fact, those instructions seems a bit outdated (scary)
[18:56:16] <Samian>	 but if I type msql -u username -p and enter my password, it states  ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'USER'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[18:56:33] <Samian>	 Vulpix well can you tell me where I can find a instructions?
[18:56:37] <marktraceur>	 msql or mysql?
[18:56:37] <zocky>	 brion, I need it just for wikipedias, but I'm not very happy about doing $title->getFullUrl manually in javascript :(
[18:56:39] <Samian>	 I'll google right now to see if I find anythign else
[18:56:47] <Samian>	 marktraceur mysql
[18:56:48] <Samian>	 sorry
[18:57:04] <zocky>	 brion, the annoying thing is that I can get the urls if i use api search as a generator, but then the results get mixed up, so I don't get the best hits on top
[18:57:24] <brion>	 :( grrr
[18:57:30] <brion>	 losing order in the generators is annoying
[18:57:31] <Vulpix>	 Samian: assuming you have a root mysql account or similar with sufficient permissions to create the database for MediaWiki, just follow the installer as explained here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script
[18:57:43] <Phoenix303>	 How can i rebase changes and submit patch?
[18:58:02] <brion>	 Phoenix303: you’ll have to do it manually and resolve conflicts
[18:58:30] <Vulpix>	 Phoenix303: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/resolve_conflict
[18:58:36] <brion>	 oh yay docs
[18:58:37] <brion>	 :D
[18:58:38] <Samian>	 well i downloaded mediawiki-1.24.1.tar.gz and extracted the files to a folder called mediawiki-1.24.1
[18:59:02] <Phoenix303>	 Thanks brion 
[18:59:10] <Samian>	 my public folder is public_html
[18:59:13] <zocky>	 what's the minimum that I need to replace to get working, but still pretty urls (it's for an irc bot)? space->_, encode ? and % and # to %xx, anything else?
[18:59:19] <Samian>	 so I guess I can move the mediawiki-1.24.1 under the public folder
[18:59:45] <brion>	 zocky: ? & % <- would be the main ones to get reliably
[18:59:55] <Samian>	 actually Just rename mediawiki-1.24.1 to public_html haha
[19:00:12] <zocky>	 yeah, browsers should fix all the šžđł crap anyway these days
[19:00:29] <brion>	 utf-8 everywhere yay
[19:00:30] <Vulpix>	 Samian: yes, you may want to plan beforehand how do you want your URLs look like, because that may be determined by where do you put the root folder for MediaWiki
[19:00:50] <brion>	 Samian: main thing is if you want other stuff in there as wella s your wiki you might want a subdirectory
[19:01:06] <brion>	 Samian: but if it’s gonna be just the wiki then yeah, you can drop everything straight into ~/public_html or whatev
[19:01:36] <Vulpix>	 Samian: some URL examples https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[19:02:46] <Samian>	 well going through the installation on the page webpage that comes up now that I rename  mediawiki-1.24.1 to public_html, at the bottom it asks for a Database username and Database password
[19:03:02] <Samian>	 and right now, the uni has only given me a username and password to ssh into the webserver. 
[19:03:21] <Samian>	 so I sent another email asking about a username and password for a database.
[19:03:39] <Samian>	 or should have I not done that?
[19:04:12] <Vulpix>	 yes, you may need to ask them to create a database, in case your user doesn't have permissions to create one
[19:08:23] <Samian>	 thanks Vulpix
[19:08:39] <Vulpix>	 yw
[19:11:41] <Phoenix303>	 Thanks Vulpix for the link resolved the issue :)
[21:09:13] <jubo2>	 Does anyone know how I can contact Wikiteam to archive my study wiki
[21:12:13] <marktraceur>	 What Wikiteam?
[21:13:07] <jubo2>	 marktraceur: Wikiteam, the heroes that archive small wikis that will soon into defuncting and oblivion without Wikiteam
[21:14:03] <jubo2>	 marktraceur: they have write access to archive.org which they use for the archiving
[21:14:21] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: have you tried reading their page?
[21:14:32] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: yeah.. that'd prlly help.. where is it?
[21:14:57] <Vulpix>	 google:wiki-team archive  ---> gives me http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=WikiTeam
[21:15:20] <jubo2>	 Dänks Vulpix
[21:56:09] <APerson_>	 something's very wrong here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Options
[21:57:39] <marktraceur>	 My goodness.
[21:57:56] <marktraceur>	 Uhhh
[21:58:03] <marktraceur>	 aharoni doesn't appear to be online
[21:58:09] <marktraceur>	 And I don't...see...him
[21:58:23] <marktraceur>	 Uhh Nikerabbit, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Options ?
[21:59:12] <APerson_>	 marktraceur: whatever it is, it's new - it appeared on reload
[21:59:24] <marktraceur>	 Fun times
[21:59:30] <marktraceur>	 I was about to blame tgr
[22:02:25] <marktraceur>	 superm401: Are you guys doing something in production? Could the above be related?
[22:09:51] <Nemo_bis>	 Nothing so new really https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=API%3AOptions&diff=1369525&oldid=1292399
[22:11:08] <Nemo_bis>	 But yes some edits might have been mixed https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:API&action=history https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Shirayuki&namespace=104&tagfilter=&year=2015
[22:11:12] <Nemo_bis>	 * missed
[22:17:36] <superm401>	 marktraceur, we did a small hotfix earlier.
[22:18:16] <superm401>	 That page looks fine, let me know if it's still a problem.
[22:23:44] <Nikerabbit>	 marktraceur: yes? what?
[22:24:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: fixed
[22:24:40] <Nikerabbit>	 Nemo_bis: okay
[22:48:01] <jubo2>	 How do I make MW so that bots cannot open accounts, not because of reCAPTCHA per se ( it just reduces the amounts of bots ) but because they are issued by sysops 
[22:48:43] <Reedy>	 Disable registration for anon?
[22:49:13] <jubo2>	 So I say that send email to info@globba12.si with info blahblah if you wanna get an account to the http://GloBBA12.si/wiki/ study wiki
[22:49:35] <jubo2>	 that email is not activated now.. I need to set the MX record 1st
[22:49:42] <p858snake>	 !access | jubo2
[22:49:42] <wm-bot>	 jubo2: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[22:50:15] <jubo2>	 Hiya brion. Long time.
[22:51:15] <jubo2>	 You helped me to install http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/ in March 2003. Remember?
[22:51:29] <jubo2>	 that's like almost 12 yrs ago
[22:53:13] <Reedy>	 nice :)
[22:57:40] <brion>	 ohai jubo2 :D
[22:57:43] <brion>	 time flies!
[22:58:02] <brion>	 oh cool, still running that? nice :D
[22:58:18] <Reedy>	 someone has to ;)
[22:59:45] <jubo2>	 brion: yeah but the curve is getting steeper and steeper
[23:00:01] <jubo2>	 with what people expect of softwares and service
[23:03:45] <GEOFBOT>	 :o
[23:21:28] <jubo2>	 brion: I'm solid on that the anonymized, open and discardable voter ids combined with the lack of obstruction to implement dissensus vote counting systems combined with the ability to vote the so called middle with varying strenghts ( i.e. 0, 00 and 0000 which translates to voting a -2 and a +2) will make the system resilient as long as we have a reliable and unintrusive method to determine humanness
[23:21:55] <brion>	 good luck :)
[23:22:02] <jubo2>	 I need that
[23:22:09] <brion>	 i gotta run and look over some documentation
[23:22:14] <brion>	 bbiab
[23:22:23] <jubo2>	 I need also professional help and I'm not talking about a shrink
[23:22:31] <jubo2>	 He had to dash
[23:22:34] <jubo2>	 oh well..
[23:23:32] <GEOFBOT>	 :P
[23:24:16] <jubo2>	 If someone wants to implement the Consumium / Consumerium bits that need implementing I tell you free lunch forever whenever in Helsingfors / Helsinki - http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/User:Juxo/Kitchenblog
[23:32:40] <Daley>	 jubo2 ... I know some people who could help you professionally with your mind. I'll pay them :D
[23:34:56] <jubo2>	 Daley: #1 to pay a private non-somatic quack costs 100€ / 45 mib
[23:35:01] <jubo2>	 s/mib/min/
[23:35:26] <Daley>	 for 45 minutes?
[23:36:08] <jubo2>	 But then again with private non-somatic quack you can change untill agrees to write you a lot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregabalin
[23:36:20] <Daley>	 I can get someone for ya for 30 minutes for 96.89 euros
[23:36:30] <jubo2>	 Xa!
[23:37:26] <Daley>	 mib = minutes in bed?
[23:37:42] <jubo2>	 perl, do you read it mother-mother ?