[02:03:57] <aelevadoan>	 o/
[02:03:57] <aelevadoan>	 hey
[02:04:07] <aelevadoan>	 does anybody here use the Map Extension with OSM?
[02:56:39] <ElmerG>	 Evening all. 
[10:53:23] <wm-bot>	 I will let you know when I see anomie around here
[10:53:23] <petan|work>	 @notify anomie
[10:53:36] <petan|work>	 some API guru knows how to get oldest revision of page?
[10:53:43] <petan|work>	 single query
[11:35:25] <Angelaki>	 good morning
[11:36:35] <Angelaki>	 i need your help about mediawiki and openldap. try to configure LdapAuthentication plugin but no success.
[11:37:03] <Angelaki>	 what use in line $wgLDAPSearchStrings ?
[11:44:36] <Abhi>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Translate#Incompleteness_of_Translation_53203    can somebody participate in this ?
[11:53:35] <petan|work>	 Angelaki: hi
[11:53:39] <petan|work>	 gimme sec
[11:55:11] <petan|work>	 Angelaki: this is my LDAP config https://tools.wmflabs.org/paste/view/277438e4 domain is SWF
[12:17:39] <laxdog>	 Hi, I'm trying to install some extensions on my media wiki, but I can't see them being loaded. I've added them to the LocalSettings and checked permissions. Is there some sort of logging I can check for the loading of them? I've enabled debug but it says nothing. Also the importDump.php doesn't complain about any import errors, but it doesn't exit. It just waits until I ctrl-c. I don't know if that's normal or not. 
[12:31:00] <Angelaki>	 this is my config http://pastebin.com/ZWUeFNZt . can tell me someone why it dosen't work?
[12:31:48] <laxdog>	 Nevermind. Sorted now. 
[12:35:14] <valhallasw`cloud>	 petan|work: rvdir?
[12:35:28] <petan|work>	 valhallasw`cloud: that doesn't help
[12:35:50] <petan|work>	 it changes order of revisions that are displayed, but it always display X newest revs
[12:36:05] <valhallasw`cloud>	 petan|work: er, no?
[12:36:06] <valhallasw`cloud>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main%20Page&rvprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Ccontent&rvdir=newer
[12:37:04] <valhallasw`cloud>	 mmm that might not be the best example
[12:37:37] <valhallasw`cloud>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Wikipedia&rvprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Ccontent&rvdir=newer has more recent edits ;-) and also starts in 2002
[12:37:43] <petan|work>	 hmm
[12:37:55] <petan|work>	 I think I used "older" there assuming that will show older edits first :P
[12:38:06] <valhallasw`cloud>	 it's a direction ;-)
[12:38:07] <petan|work>	 didn't know that newer actually display older first :P
[12:38:28] <valhallasw`cloud>	 'towards older'/'towards newer' (but the term could have been clearer)
[12:38:29] <petan|work>	 direction upside down?
[12:38:48] <petan|work>	 so it means "display X from bottom up?" :D
[12:38:57] <petan|work>	 where X is either newer or older
[12:39:05] <valhallasw`cloud>	 no, the /direction/ is /to older/  or /to newer/ 
[12:39:07] <petan|work>	 because that's what it does
[12:39:29] <petan|work>	 that is pretty much the same :P
[12:39:40] <valhallasw`cloud>	 you know, I really don't care :P
[12:39:49] <valhallasw`cloud>	 go build something :P
[12:39:53] <petan|work>	 I do
[12:39:59] <petan|work>	 compiler running all time you know :P
[12:40:03] <petan|work>	 C++ <3
[12:40:17] <valhallasw`cloud>	 petan|work disconnected (Core dumped)
[12:40:34] <petan|work>	 well, my irc client is written in C#
[12:40:37] <petan|work>	 no coredump :/
[12:41:23] <petan|work>	 btw coredump is so far probably best debugging information invented, just most of people have no idea how to use it :P
[13:35:33] <arjunaraoc>	 On Telugu wikipedia, Navbox module is displaying just table border without contents  after some import of pages from en wiki. See https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%AE%E0%B1%82%E0%B0%B8:Navbox/testcases , Any clues to fix
[16:54:10] <Gravis>	 is mediawiki moving to do most code generation using Lua module pages?
[17:07:30] <Technical_13>	 Is there a mw.util.getAnchorUrl() or something that will do encodeURIComponent( anchorID ).replace( /%/g, '.' ) more cleanly?
[17:10:59] <Technical_13>	 I'm digging through docs and MW:RL and not finding anything...
[17:11:44] <marktraceur>	 Technical_13: That sounds like something we/you should make...
[17:11:57] <marktraceur>	 Technical_13: Maybe it's in mw.Uri or mw.Title?
[17:12:43] <Technical_13>	 I would have expected it, but https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.util shows nothing.
[17:13:34] <Technical_13>	 Don't see it in https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.Uri
[17:14:05] <marktraceur>	 I agree
[17:14:12] <marktraceur>	 Technical_13: You'll have to write it -.-
[17:14:26] <Technical_13>	 Not in https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.Title either.
[17:14:40] <Technical_13>	 Although I do see some new and useful stuff there I didn't know about before. :)
[17:15:17] <Technical_13>	 umm.. Probably better if _I_ don't... legoktm or YuviPanda maybe?
[17:15:36] <Technical_13>	 Oh, maybe even jackmcbarn?
[17:16:39] <James_F>	 Technical_13: Have faith in yourself. Also, there's code review for a reason. :-)
[17:17:03] <marktraceur>	 Yeah, we won't let you merge stupid code
[17:17:08] <legoktm>	 Technical_13: hi
[17:17:10] <legoktm>	 what's up?
[17:17:12] <Technical_13>	 James_F: I don't even know where to start.
[17:17:22] <Technical_13>	 Is there a mw.util.getAnchorUrl() or something that will do encodeURIComponent( anchorID ).replace( /%/g, '.' ) more cleanly?
[17:17:24] <James_F>	 Technical_13: "Is there a mw.util.getAnchorUrl() or something that will do encodeURIComponent( anchorID ).replace( /%/g, '.' ) more cleanly? "
[17:17:25] <Technical_13>	 legoktm: ^
[17:17:41] <legoktm>	 um, not that I'm aware of
[17:17:56] <legoktm>	 Technical_13: maybe look at mw.Title?
[17:18:00] <James_F>	 Technical_13: -> getAnchorUrl = function( anchorID ) { encodeURIComponent( anchorID ).replace( /%/g, '.' ); }; 
[17:18:01] <Technical_13>	 There seems to be an agreement it's a good idea, can you write one?
[17:18:13] <legoktm>	 nope :P
[17:18:34] <marktraceur>	 James_F: Maybe make it static instead of a getter
[17:18:37] <Technical_13>	 It's not in mw.util, mw.Uri, or mw.Title
[17:18:41] <James_F>	 marktraceur: :-P
[17:18:46] <Technical_13>	 I checked all those
[17:18:46] <marktraceur>	 Oh, I see
[17:18:52] * marktraceur CAN PARSE STUFF.
[17:27:06] <Nemo_bis>	 Skizzerz: can you act on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/SamoaBot ?
[17:28:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Gravis: code generation? do you mean wikitext generation?
[17:28:42] <Nemo_bis>	 Gravis: I'd say there is a movement to Lua from parser functions with dozens levels of nesting
[17:29:07] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: html code
[17:31:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Gravis: I'm not aware of Lua output being used directly in HTML. But maybe you know better
[17:36:00] <Fiona>	 Nemo_bis: You around?
[17:36:31] <Nemo_bis>	 Fiona: dunno
[17:36:46] <Fiona>	 :-)
[17:37:01] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: from what i've gathered, [[Category: somehow invokes Module:Category_handler
[17:37:12] <Fiona>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/SamoaBot#User:SamoaBot is handled.
[17:37:15] <Fiona>	 Thanks for the ping.
[17:37:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Thanks
[17:38:59] <Nemo_bis>	 Gravis: you're probably talking of the English Wikipedia, or some equally crazy wiki, which is probably stuffing system messages with all sorts of parser functions and scribunto invocations
[17:39:12] <Glaisher>	 Fiona: Can I have translationadmin at mw.org?
[17:39:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Glaisher: why not use project:requests :(
[17:39:41] <Glaisher>	 too lazy...
[17:39:43] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: i was under the impression that wikipedia used mediawiki
[17:40:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Gravis: yes, so?
[17:40:27] <Glaisher>	 I usually do cleanup on translation pages but the remains are left
[17:41:00] <Nemo_bis>	 Glaisher: useful learning material: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Page_customizations https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:System_message
[17:41:03] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: you just said wikipedia was crazy.
[17:41:49] <Glaisher>	 Nemo_bis: I know but in cases where the first edit to a translatable page is a vandalism I can't delete that page entirely
[17:41:57] <Glaisher>	 it's kind of pointless to leave it like that
[17:42:03] <Nemo_bis>	 Glaisher: incorrect
[17:42:06] <Nemo_bis>	 * Gravis 
[17:42:17] <Nemo_bis>	 Glaisher: I don't get your point
[17:42:36] <Nemo_bis>	 Are you trying to say that global sysops should have "pagetranslation" permission? Might be true.
[17:42:47] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: how am i incorrect? "<Nemo_bis> Gravis: you're probably talking of the English Wikipedia, or some equally crazy wiki"
[17:42:47] <Glaisher>	 No.
[17:43:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Glaisher: yes, do you notice that word between "the" and "Wikipedia" 
[17:43:52] <Nemo_bis>	 argh, * Gravis 
[17:44:47] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: so there is a mediawiki for each language?
[17:45:10] <marktraceur>	 Wikipedia*
[17:45:15] <marktraceur>	 !wikipmediawiki | Gravis
[17:45:15] <wm-bot>	 Gravis: Confused about the differences between MediaWiki, Wikimedia, Wikipedia and wiki? See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki
[17:45:17] <Nemo_bis>	 Words are hard
[17:46:36] <Gravis>	 the question is if they are seperate instances of mediawiki
[17:46:50] <marktraceur>	 Sort of.
[17:47:11] <marktraceur>	 Gravis: The code is shared, there are different configs, they access different databases
[17:47:46] <Gravis>	 what does the english version do that is "crazy"?
[17:48:08] <Nemo_bis>	 How much time do you have? :)
[17:48:18] <Nemo_bis>	 Some hundreds examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=&filter=modified&lang=en&limit=5000
[17:48:34] <Glaisher>	 Nemo_bis: finally added a request anyway 
[17:51:19] <Nemo_bis>	 cute
[17:54:55] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: i dont see anything specific that is crazy on that list, they are just messages.
[17:56:15] <Nemo_bis>	 If you say so
[17:56:34] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm losing track of the sense of this discussion.
[17:56:43] <Nemo_bis>	 The quick answer to your original question is:
[17:56:43] <Nemo_bis>	 No
[17:59:06] <Nemo_bis>	 Fiona: please keep using your Special:Userrights till it's warm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/Glaisher_2
[17:59:13] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: thank you, that was the information i needed.
[17:59:24] <Gravis>	 Nemo_bis: please be less dismissive of others
[17:59:28] <Fiona>	 Nemo_bis: I just skimmed the requests page. Most looked old.
[18:00:11] <Fiona>	 Nemo_bis: Wait, why isn't admin sufficient?
[18:00:23] <Nemo_bis>	 Oh no, not this discussion again.
[18:00:50] <Fiona>	 Sorry, I'm not encouraging Translate stupidity.
[18:02:03] <Nemo_bis>	 You sound like anti-abortionist gynecologist
[18:02:38] <Glaisher>	 Fiona: Why?? :/
[18:07:02] <Fiona>	 Glaisher: I left a reply.
[18:07:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Fiona: I give you an alternative :) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/Nemo_bis_2
[18:08:57] <Fiona>	 Heh, it's funny, I was just looking at your user rights.
[18:11:44] <Glaisher>	 Fiona: I left a reply.
[18:12:15] <Glaisher>	 Oh.
[18:12:18] <Glaisher>	 I hate edit conflicts.
[19:37:45] <PerlWebDev>	 is there a way to add a comment to an edit after the edit has been saved?
[19:37:57] <Reedy>	 to MW? no
[19:38:17] <PerlWebDev>	 ok
[20:00:34] <TwoWholeWorms>	 Aha.
[20:00:57] * TwoWholeWorms tentatively prods JeroenDeDauw.
[20:10:02] <tolland>	 I just run an edit using the api which updated all pages in a Category rather than subset, is there is a quick method to roll those back from my user page?
[20:13:36] <Vulpix>	 if you have rollback rights, just click on the rollback links in your contributions
[20:16:58] <tolland>	 lol I am doing. But the script hit a bunch fo pages
[20:23:38] <Vulpix>	 if you use &bot=1 in the URL, they won't display in Special:Recentchanges (will be marked as bot, both the original edit and the revert)
[20:24:34] <Vulpix>	 but it won't generate diffs neither on revert, so be sure you don't revert succesive unrelated edits 
[20:28:23] <tolland>	 thanks. I'll put that in. The (Current) flag in the contributions is a nice touch, I've just used that to guide which edits remained.
[20:28:43] <tolland>	 is sorted now! Thanks again!
[20:31:10] <Vulpix>	 :)