[00:25:52] bd808 : could you help me out with this. This is with regard to the earlier error : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/e51a508a309239b905bc [00:26:24] I have boiled it down to this : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/4254e114390795d97d18 [00:26:35] But I don't seem to be getting anywhere with this. [00:26:40] ankita-ks: have you setup any custom config for the wiki? [00:26:54] I ask because VE works for me in my mw-vagrant [00:27:07] bd808 : No. I don't think so [00:27:21] I don't recall doing that. [00:27:32] Is there any way I can find out? [00:28:09] do you have any .php files in /vagrant/settings.d? [00:28:30] no. apart from what was already there [00:28:33] Or have you edited /vagrant/LocalSettings.php or /vagrant/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php [00:29:34] I did edit $IP/LocalSettings.php [00:29:42] Ah [00:29:52] to configure for proxy plugin [00:30:15] can you make a paste of what you changed? [00:30:19] but then at some point of time I started getting permission denied. [00:30:28] yes. Let me do that. [00:33:28] bd808 : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/a1a18b07998f7c43d172 [00:33:33] This would be it. [00:34:32] Ok. I'd suggest taking out the require_once for ULS and seeing if that changes anything [00:34:41] It may not but then again it might [00:35:34] okay. trying that. [00:36:03] The wgSMTP change should be fine but I would suggest putting it in a file like vagrant/settings.d/smtp_proxy.php so that it survives you running `vagrant destroy; vagrant up` in the future [00:38:34] I can not change the Localsettings.php [00:38:42] It says it's a read-only file [00:38:50] and i can't change permissions either [00:39:14] even if I sudo [00:45:30] ankita-ks: you should be able to edit from the host OS (your laptop) [00:45:47] even if you can't from inside the vm [00:45:56] okay. how do i do that? [00:46:23] cd $DIECTORY_WHERE_YOU_INSTALLED_VAGRANT/mediawiki [00:46:30] edit LocalSettings.php [00:46:53] oh! okay! [00:46:58] Let me do that. [00:47:49] ankita-ks: I have to go eat dinner but I'll try to check irc a bit later to see if your still stuck [00:48:06] Or find another debug helper :) [00:48:30] okay. i should go get breakfast too. i am going to try after that. Thank you for the help so far. :) [00:58:52] hola? [01:31:30] hi folks... I just upgrade from 1.21 => 1.24.1 and am having trouble with skins. I pulled in vector via git, added a require_once and set it as the default skin. the wiki works but there is no css so it doesn't look so good. does anyone have any pointers how I can track this down? [04:07:06] enwikibooks has been getting a flood of spambots for the past few hours... do captchas and all anti-spam measures fail? somehow I haven't any on my private wiki for a few years now, whereas wikimedia wikis are practically being invaded by an army [04:19:53] mentifis: special:log/spamblacklist should show if it's being tripped [04:40:21] legoktm: point is, mediawiki is completely failing at prevention... [04:42:27] mentifis: yes, our anti-spam tools require a lot of human tweaking, captcha is easily beatable, etc. [06:06:09] Hi Reedy Is there still something to be done related to table_type is removed in MySQL 5.5.3? [08:46:36] hi there. my mediawiki does not automagically update red-links to normal links after a underlying page has been created. i have to open the source page with the red-link and save it again to get them updated. any ideas what's going wrong here? [08:47:05] yes [08:47:26] I've heard other people come in here and ask about similar problems [08:47:35] though [08:52:13] cgt: maybe that was me. i asked some weeks ago already in this chan [08:53:16] perhaps [08:53:31] but it should update automatically... [08:55:00] cgt: so there must be a triggered action. are you familiar with the code and give me a hint where to search? [08:55:51] I forgot why I am here. Oh. I wanted to ask for suggestions for this one: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Exporting_a_wiki_for_offline_use [08:56:53] beli: Sorry, I'm mostly a user of MediaWiki. [08:57:03] hello anyone [08:57:45] helllo [09:35:32] libreidea.org needs an essential functionality: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91644 - we need some php devs to make a fork/modif of voteNY extension - #libreidea [10:13:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Exporting_a_wiki_for_offline_use [10:14:30] I'll just leave now since most of you would be able to answer there :) thanks [12:14:22] aharoni : VisualEditor wouldn't work even though I have that role enabled. The UI doesn't load. I have been stuck at it for quite some time now. [12:15:02] This is a snippet of the error log : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/e51a508a309239b905bc [12:15:17] I have narrowed it down till here : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/4254e114390795d97d18 [12:16:12] "/vagrant/mediawiki/modules/ve-mw/init/styles/ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget.noscript.css"? [12:16:14] that's not going to work [12:16:27] unless /vagrant/mediawiki is your extensions/VisualEditor directory [12:17:14] which I doubt [12:18:23] exactly [12:18:28] That seems to be the problem. [12:18:37] Somewhere the path is set and that is wrong. [12:18:50] I am not able to locate where that happens exactly. [12:19:28] ankita-ks, do you know how vagrant is including the VE extension? [12:19:51] via wfLoadExtension? or a require_once on VisualEditor.php? [12:20:01] no. i don't. I am trying to figure that out. [12:20:16] interesting [12:20:18] let me see [12:20:55] I am looking at VE's extension.json [12:21:09] You see ResourceFileModulePaths? and the blank localBasePath? [12:22:39] I'd try changing that to extensions/VisualEditor [12:22:45] In the ResourceLoaderFileModule? [12:22:59] in extension.json [12:23:04] in the VE directory [12:23:20] ah..okay [12:23:26] Let me try that. [12:27:00] Hello again. Old, localized Mediawiki (1.19 < ) had a syntax for including files and images into pages which looked like Фајл: filename.ext. New Mediawiki (1.24.1) has a changed localization so the syntax is Датотека: filename.ext. That broke all of the old links. Where are the pages stored in the wiki database and can I, somehow, sed phrase Фајл into Датотека in the table which contains the pages and fix broken links? [12:32:38] Krenair : do i need to reload vagrant? [12:34:43] That did not help. [12:35:45] The problem seems to persist. [12:37:29] Hello, can anybody tell me how can I talk to the mentor of Pywikibot project of GSoC, John Vandenberg or Aaron Halfaker [12:42:07] ankita-ks, I'm not sure [12:42:10] I don't use vagrant [12:42:24] Is there anyone I can ask? [12:42:57] So far vagrant hasn't proven to be a great idea :| [12:45:26] Krenair : If it is of any help, vagrant is including the extension via require_once [12:47:11] ankita-ks, okay... that's weird [12:47:32] why is it ignoring wgVisualEditorResourceTemplate? [12:49:02] Maybe RoanKattouw knows :) [12:50:26] Krenair, no idea. What is that? [12:50:32] What is the highest-frequency wikipedia dumps that are available? [12:53:32] ankita-ks: That is a person. :P Hang around a while. Maybe bd808 can help as well. [12:53:47] oh. not that :P [12:54:14] Niharika, I meant wgVisualEditorResourceTemplate >_> [12:55:52] What's this about wgVisualEditorResourceTemplate? [12:56:06] Oh is our extension.json broken? [12:56:21] Krenair: Can you summarize what's going on? Cause the scrollback isn't very clear to me [12:56:54] https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/e51a508a309239b905bc [12:57:20] Hi RoanKattouw , the UI for VisualEditor wouldn't load. [12:57:22] something's wrong with the local base path [12:57:33] "/vagrant/mediawiki/modules/ve-mw/init/styles/ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget.noscript.css" is not going to exist [12:58:56] RoanKattouw, ^ [12:59:51] hah whoops [13:00:53] Hmm [13:00:59] extension.json has localBasePath set to "" [13:01:05] Which is almost certainly wrong [13:01:16] But I need legoktm's help to understand how this is actually being interpreted and how to fix it [13:02:35] Hmm [13:02:49] Reading the code in ExtensionProcessor.php, it does seem like it should work [13:03:26] Krenair: Silly question as I'm totally unfamiliar with vagrant: would ankita-ks be running master of MW core, or something reasonably recent? [13:03:58] RoanKattouw : How do i check? [13:04:13] I also don't use vagrant [13:04:24] ankita-ks: cd /vagrant/mediawiki ; git rev-parse HEAD [13:04:32] What does that give you? [13:04:53] (Support for localBasePath and friends in extension.json was introduced in 18aab5e39503837c858f7d38992d067b644983a4 on Feb 10) [13:05:26] b9f901a649ea0d6d1ea0fbd52c492da655fd9f31 [13:05:41] I'm not 100% sure if ankita-ks is loading it via extension.json [13:06:03] Date: Wed Jan 28 21:17:46 2015 +0000 [13:06:06] Merge "Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net." [13:07:38] ankita-ks, so if it's loading via extension.json, that's likely to be the issue [13:07:50] if it's loading the old fashioned way, then it should be fine [13:07:57] and is it? [13:08:04] how could I find that out? [13:08:10] Krenair ^ [13:08:19] Hi, I am Tonia a Software Engineering Student (undergraduate) and I would like to work on the project "Extension to identify and delete spam pages" as part of Outreachy. Can anyone give me some pointers on where to begin? Thanks [13:10:00] ankita-ks, depends whether VE is included via a wfLoadExtension thing, or VisualEditor.php required directly from config [13:10:21] so, depends on how you/vagrant set it up [13:11:35] I think if you update MW core though, it should start working [13:11:46] libreidea.org needs an essential functionality: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91644 - we need some php devs to make a fork/modif of voteNY extension - #libreidea [13:11:52] Although it also depends on what version of VE is in use [13:11:58] I suspect it's a new version of VE with an old version of MW core [13:12:33] ankita-ks: What is cd /vagrant/mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor ; git rev-parse HEAD ? [13:14:45] [13:25] ankita-ks [2015-03-10 15:01:02] okay so i updated the repo and i ran vagrant git-update [13:14:48] 9249b4a70ff27dde0d6a1276655ba09a92255c15 [13:15:01] RoanKattouw ^ [13:15:22] Yeah that's the most recent VE version, but you have an old MW core version [13:15:33] Which is really weird because you said you ran vagrant git-update, which should have updated it [13:15:40] yes i did [13:15:41] but [13:15:46] Did you get errors? [13:15:48] there were some failures : [13:15:49] yes [13:15:52] Aha :) [13:15:57] let me show you a snippet of the log [13:16:21] https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/703a55c8c58f42275ee0 [13:16:23] there. [13:16:37] wtf [13:16:41] Permission denied?! [13:17:01] ankita-ks: If you manually do cd /vagrant/mediawiki ; git pull does that work? [13:17:05] Or do you get another permissions error? [13:17:06] yes. I am behind a proxy, if that is of any use. [13:17:20] But i have the proxy-cont plugin installed. [13:17:30] let me try [13:17:53] error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Permission denied [13:18:01] RoanKattouw ^ [13:19:16] sigh [13:19:32] Could you pastebin the output of the following: [13:20:08] ls -ld /vagrant/mediawiki{,/extensions/VisualEditor}/.git{,/FETCH_HEAD} [13:20:39] (For a proper solution you're going to need help from a Vagrant expert like bd808, but he's asleep, so let's see if I can help you get to a quick and dirty solution in the meantime) [13:21:45] RoanKattouw : silly question : Do i do this inside vagrant or on my host machine? [13:23:20] ankita-ks: Inside Vagrant [13:23:27] okay [13:25:16] https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/f98f941852e296069033 [13:30:54] RoanKattouw ^ [13:34:46] ...why is it owned by root [13:34:48] :O [13:37:58] RoanKattouw: ankita-ks how about doing a chown -R on /vagrant, and then doing vagrant git-update, to see if it still resets permissions? [13:38:21] YuviPanda: You mean sudo chown -R vagrant /vagrant ? [13:38:25] Hi all, does anyone know if there is a way to clear the cache for every page of my MediaWiki wiki all at once? [13:38:36] yeah [13:38:55] okay. i could try that. [13:39:11] ankita-ks: also, what is your host os? [13:39:26] mac-osx [13:39:45] yosemite 10.10.2 [13:39:49] ah, hmm [13:39:55] Howie: you could simply disable caching: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_completely_disable_caching.3F [13:40:02] (I was suspecting windows / virtualbox share issues, but OS X should be fine) [13:40:29] Yaron: Will this degrade the performance of my site? [13:40:38] well there was this NFS error i was getting earlier which I resolved by deleting /etc/exports. [13:40:52] Is that relevant? [13:40:56] YuviPanda ^ [13:41:36] not sure... [13:41:40] I’m sortof flying blind atm, sadly... [13:41:45] haven’t touched vagrant forever.. [13:41:55] okay. [13:42:22] Howie: yes. But if it's a small-ish site, you might not even notice the difference. [13:42:58] Yaron: approximatley 5000 pages [13:43:40] Alright. Anyway, that's one way to do it. [13:43:42] Yaron: although since we are constantly updating pages, the cache problem is very serious. [13:45:57] Where are the translation files for Visual editor? [13:46:30] Kostic: Are you interested in changing the English translations, or translations in a non-English language? [13:47:15] RoanKattouw: I want to translate untranslated strings in a non-English language. [13:47:59] Translatewiki! [13:51:28] Kostic, translatewiki.net [13:51:28] YuviPanda , RoanKattouw : So i did a sudo chown -R vagrant /vagrant [13:51:46] Krenair: Thanks. [13:51:56] which resulted in Operation not permitted for almost all the files [13:52:00] Reedy: also thanks. [13:52:01] ... [13:52:10] ankita-ks: did you do that from inside the VM? [13:52:17] yes. [13:52:21] that’s… really strange. [13:53:03] and then vagrant git-update from my host machine resulted in same failures as before [13:53:14] I did a git pull from inside the vagrant [13:55:19] YuviPanda : That has been happening for quite some time now. I was trying to edit the LocalSettings.php earlier (I know it's not advisable but I wanted to revert the changes i had already made on bd808's advice) [13:55:26] But I couldn't do that [13:55:40] I tried to reset the permissions and that wouldn't happen either. [13:55:45] :( [13:55:52] ankita-ks: how good is your internet connections? [13:55:52] sudo, it seems doesn't give you god-like powers. [13:56:01] *connection [13:56:01] pretty i should say [13:56:05] why? [13:56:25] so… if this happened to my VM I’d basically do vagrant destroy / vagrant up, but that’ll take a while, and you’ll lose any customizations, etc... [13:56:26] But I am behind a proxy. In case that gives you some insight. [13:56:35] aaah. [13:56:37] yup. [13:56:50] I am actually considering that option. [13:56:57] yeah... [13:57:45] I think i will just set up the /vagrant folder as a new repo on github and then do a vagrant destroy. [13:58:03] And then redo whatever customizations i really need. [13:58:31] RoanKattouw : is there anything I can try before that? [13:58:53] I don't know [13:59:00] I'm completely baffled that sudo chown didn't work [13:59:24] And I know nothing about Vagrant [14:01:23] Okay. So I am going to go ahead and vagrant destroy [14:02:20] * ankita-ks bids adieu to the beast sent straight from hell with a heavy heart. :'( [14:07:20] ankita-ks: it seems you're experiencing NFS problems (re: sudo and chown not working) [14:08:02] hmm..That could be the problem. because a while back i was getting NFS related errors. [14:08:14] and i just deleted my /etc/exports [14:08:27] and went happily about my business until this happened. [14:08:35] are you on an encrypted drive perhaps? [14:11:45] ankita-ks: i'd advise you to try without nfs exports first [14:12:08] vagrant destroy && vagrant config nfs_shares no && vagrant up [14:12:26] then try to see if it works [14:12:49] hell, even without destroying [14:13:02] mobrovac : okay. let me try that. I think yosemite encrypts the drive by default [14:13:10] but just vagrant config and then vagrant provision should work [14:13:18] ah yep [14:13:29] think so too [14:13:59] Does PdfBook extension support UTF-8 characters. Non-ascii characters get exportes as '?' in the PDF. [14:15:51] okay. i will try without destroy first [14:23:36] mobrovac : I got too many errors : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/4d859108f392b3a33bbe [14:23:54] trying with destroy now. been trying to avoid that for far too long now. :P [14:24:45] also, i just checked. i don't think my disks are encrypted because File Vault is not turned on. [14:26:09] ankita-ks: doesn't matter, yosemite encrypts it by default and then lets you use file vault if you wish [14:26:46] oh, or maybe not if you just upgraded rather than installed afresh [14:27:16] either way, destroy && config && up and let's see where are we at [14:28:39] okay [15:06:09] er. hm. [15:09:39] RoanKattouw, ankita-ks: was the VE / extension.json problem resolved? [15:10:16] legoktm : nope. So I am destroyed that vm and i am trying to pull up a new one [15:10:47] i did a vagrant destroy && vagrant config nfs_shares no && vagrant up [15:10:50] legoktm: The cause of that particular problem is she was running an old version of MW core (before you introduced proper support for localBasePath) with master of VE (which uses that support) [15:11:00] aha [15:11:19] and the wfUseMW wouldn't have caught it because it's just alpha :( [15:11:36] i am also trying a git-update but that gives me errors. :( [15:11:41] legoktm: The cause of *that* was that because of weird permissions errors that baffle everyone currently awake, git pull didn't work in MW core but did work in VE [15:11:48] o.O [15:14:01] git-update is still throwing up errors : https://gist.github.com/ankita-kumari/18bf7b45f6fd6779e9bc [15:14:15] can someone please help me out? [15:14:23] legoktm , RoanKattouw ? [15:15:10] Whoa wtf [15:15:14] I have no idea what's going on there [15:18:06] ankita-ks: "cd mediawiki; git remote -v" <-- what does that output? [15:18:53] origin https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git (fetch) [15:18:53] origin https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git (push) [15:18:58] legoktm ^ [15:19:13] that looks right... [15:19:37] ankita-ks: try a "git fetch" directly? (inside of "mediawiki") [15:19:52] okay [15:20:07] error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Permission denied [15:20:12] legoktm ^ [15:20:23] hmm [15:20:56] ankita-ks: "vagrant ssh" (that logs you into the VM), "cd /vagrant/mediawiki" "git fetch" [15:24:45] error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Protocol error [15:24:49] legoktm ^ [15:24:57] hmm [15:25:04] ankita-ks: "sudo git fetch" ? :P [15:25:33] nope. [15:25:38] same error [15:26:21] legoktm [15:26:27] :| [15:27:21] ankita-ks: I'm out of ideas... bd808 is probably a good person to ask [15:27:28] can you think of any work-arounds? I am willing to make deals with satan right now. [15:27:33] ah..okay [15:27:58] He is not online right online. So I will wait for him/her then. [15:30:25] I really have no idea :/ [15:30:54] depending on what you're trying to develop, you could try setting up MW manually (mysql, memcache, apache/nginx, php) [15:31:16] yes, that i could do [15:31:23] and i might as well [15:31:43] in the mean time can you tell me of any channels where I can get support for vagrant? [15:32:05] legoktm ^ [15:32:20] here or #wikimedia-dev [15:32:27] okay [15:33:06] The purpose of all this was this GSoC/Outreachy project application. But I don't think I should've ever gotten involved with vagrant. [15:33:13] It's a beast that can not be tamed. [15:33:27] I will try a manual install right now before I waste any more time. [15:33:49] aharoni : do you think that is a good idea? [15:40:16] A manual install is probably fine [15:40:36] Our resident Vagrant-tamer bd808 doesn't appear to be awake [15:41:47] RoanKattouw : Yes, i will do that now till bd808 re-appears. [15:41:51] :P [15:58:46] ankita-ks: It looks to me like the file permissions on your vagrant/mediawiki/* git clones got really messed up somehow. You could try this from your laptop: cd $PATH_WHERE_YOU_PUT_VAGRANT; chown -R $USER mediawiki; chmod -R o+rwX mediawiki [15:59:28] That should make your current laptop user the owner of all the files with read+write permissions (and execute where needed) [16:00:16] Both the nfs and vbox sharing systems should map that ownership into the correct permissions inside the VM when `vagrant git-udpate` is running things [16:08:49] bd808 : Thank you. You saved a life today. [17:36:41] bd808, RoanKattouw_away legoktm : Update : It worked. [17:36:45] hi [17:36:52] I keep getting this error here: http://pastebin.com/yW7F8upR [17:36:52] * ankita-ks prances about with joy [17:36:55] yay! [17:37:03] I ran mantainance/update.php, but it didn't work either [17:37:28] kikero: what version of MW are you using and what extensions do you have installed? [17:37:55] legoktm: MediaWiki 1.19.11 [17:37:55] PHP 5.4.37 (cgi-fcgi) [17:37:55] MySQL 5.1.56-log [17:38:25] I have Nuke, Renameuser, ParserFunctions, ConfirmEdit, Gadgets, Vector and WikiEditor installed. [17:39:41] kikero: it looks like you're missing an index [17:39:57] CREATE INDEX /*i*/user_time ON /*_*/logging (log_user, log_timestamp); [17:40:07] legoktm, should I add that manually? [17:40:25] probably, but you might also be missing other indexes? [17:40:31] yea.. :/ [17:40:34] how did you intitially create the db? [17:40:39] did you use the installer? [17:40:42] it's funny, the wiki was installed through an installer [17:40:55] hm, weird. [17:40:57] ie. Softaculous or such [17:41:02] oh [17:41:09] I wouldn't trust those [17:42:06] in any case I'd recommend upgrading to the current stable release, 1.24, which fixed a bunch of index issues [17:42:32] legoktm, as described here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading ? [17:43:10] yes [17:48:28] speaking of 1.24, what dictates when a maintenance release is made? [17:48:56] there was a fix for a bug that affects me commited to the 1.24 branch, but there's no 1.24.2 yet [17:50:27] RobotsOnDrugs: they typically happen each month, except the currentl release is blocked by a bunch of security patches that need to go out since a security audit was done on MW. If you need a patch I'd recommend just applying it manually for now [17:51:02] i see, thanks [17:52:47] looks like it's just a deletion of 2 lines :D [18:56:07] Hi Reedy! Is there still something to be done related to "table_type is removed in MySQL 5.5.3"? [18:59:04] Reedy: I wish to remove this bug if it is still exists. [19:00:06] I've honestly no idea [19:00:11] Sorry [19:01:09] Alright. [19:01:30] I will find some other bug to fix then. [19:03:40] Check the code? [19:11:16] hello,I installed visualeditor but i am having problem that it is not starting on clicking edit [19:21:09] mdshekh : why don't you check the log files and see what the errors are? [19:37:00] does vagrant have a way to populate the devwiki with a load of users and things? [19:37:34] MC8: Nothing special, just the normal maintenance scripts [19:42:08] MC8: http://fpaste.org/196834/2916142/raw/ is what I use to create lots of accounts [19:45:23] legoktm: great, thanks :) [19:46:33] legoktm has all the cool toys [19:55:01] how do i run php maintenance/update.php on windows git,it says unrecognized command [20:03:54] how do i run php maintenance/update.php on windows git,it says unrecognized command [20:07:42] mdshekh: maybe php is not in the PATH, try using the full path to the php binary instead [20:13:59] vulpix: how do i do that? [20:15:35] instead of "php" use "c:\program files\php\bin\php.exe" or whatever php is installed [20:21:28] dear colleagues, is it possible to get mediawiki to render any kind of thumbnail size, via api? [20:22:59] despens: you can generate and get the thumbnail directly by calling thumb.php. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Thumb.php [20:24:07] i see, thanks! [20:29:34] vulpix: thanx, it worked :) [20:30:53] hi - how does bootstrap skin "fit in" with the visual editor? [20:32:14] i'm only familiar with VE, downloading today, but it seems that VE would provide editing of bootstrap

s directly, and that's about it? [20:36:38] ok in the VE sandbox, one cannot edit the

's attrs... is this simething that might be changing? [20:47:18] hypergrove: I'm not sure if there's a task for that; if there isn't one, you could file a task in Phabricator [20:47:36] There are no short-term plans for that no [20:47:56] Unless you write it ;) [20:52:25] I don't know if editing the HTML directly with developer tools (F12) would make VE reflect those changes [21:19:30] It won't [21:19:34] Or at least it shouldn't :) [23:31:23] hello everyone. im trying to display images on this page http://forestable.gamestudio42.com/wiki/index.php?title=Carta_Verde_01 [23:31:42] i tryed [file: and [image: but neither works, both shows a link only [23:56:00] dtcrshr, the image doesn't exist on the server [23:56:02] http://forestable.gamestudio42.com/wiki/pt-br/e/e2/V01.png [23:56:20] you are viewing the alternative text [23:56:28] see the page source [23:56:38] the