[03:42:46] <xibalba>	 Can I create different groups of users and keep one group from seeing another group's wiki entries?
[03:47:00] <hypergrove>	 Hi - on MW 1.25.1 and suddenly when I login I get "... (my) wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again. "
[03:48:11] <hypergrove>	 a solution i've just tried, without success, is a mw/tmp directory ... session_save_path("tmp");
[03:50:37] <hypergrove>	 I don;t have cookies disabled... phpinfo's session.cookie_path=/ ... session.use_cookies=On
[03:52:56] <hypergrove>	 since my last login I have reinstalled VEditor and ULS extension versions for 1.25.1 ... that's the only change
[03:54:53] <hypergrove>	 next i will try "To resolve this issue using Nginx and Php-Fpm, I had to change my cookie_path from it's default of / (seriously, why would this be a default?) to /tmp."
[03:56:11] <hypergrove>	 according to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16127882/how-can-i-fix-the-mediawiki-error-wiki-uses-cookies-to-log-in-users-you-have-c
[03:57:01] <hypergrove>	 thsi problem may have roots in cache specifications and I recall turning on a cache for veditor
[03:59:49] <hypergrove>	 the only material on this problem at mw.org is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Can_no_longer_login_to_my_own_MediaWiki_site,_all_of_a_sudden.._Cookie_issue_all_of_a_sudden..
[04:00:36] <hypergrove>	 which SAYS it is resolved, but not really, so this is something that probably should be included in installation documentation
[04:06:43] <hypergrove>	 in LocalSettings: $wgMemCachedServers = array('localhost:11211') and then sudo fuser -n tcp 11211 gives me nothing. (No memcache server is operating?)
[05:00:18] <hypergrove>	 too bad. chgd php.ini's session.cookie_path to "/tmp" with global rights. No change - I still get "wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again. "
[05:11:11] <hypergrove>	 hooray - I have memcache service running on port 11211. However with veditor's cache flag turned off, I still get the login error.
[05:24:56] <four>	 is it possible to check
[05:25:06] <four>	 the article/page is created by who in mediawiki ?
[05:26:21] <four>	 i need to retrieve the name of the person who created the article . 
[06:41:17] <hypergrove>	 restarted everything and the error seems to have cleared. I think php.ini's cookie_path should be recommended as /tmp not default (Ubuntu) root directory
[09:31:41] <Saravanan>	 hi
[09:31:55] <Saravanan>	 how page id is mapped with user id?
[09:32:03] <Saravanan>	 any pointers please
[09:38:31] <Nemo_bis>	 Saravanan: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Revision_table#rev_user
[09:39:33] <Nemo_bis>	 Grr Google must be happy that the other functioning search engines are being destroyed 
[11:20:04] <betz2>	 Hi! I am trying to list all content of a specific template on a page. Is this possible one way or another?
[11:22:01] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 what do you mean? {{TemplateName}} already transcludes the page
[11:24:41] <betz2>	 Let me try to clarify. I have a page 'Tent' and 'Kitchen', where i insert a template 'Transport'. The template is defined with a table in a includeonly tag.
[11:25:11] <betz2>	 Now i want to have a transport page where I show all defined transport tags. In this case, kitchen and tent
[11:26:56] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 do you mean you want a listing of all pages that transclude a given template?
[11:27:22] <betz2>	 This way I would have an overview of all items to transport by defining the transport by a transport tag on each 'item page'
[11:27:52] <betz2>	 in worst case, better would be to list the content of the templates
[11:28:05] <betz2>	 i show a table in the template
[11:28:06] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 you could add them to a category
[11:28:29] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 transclusions are not "tags" and shouldn't be thought of as such
[11:29:04] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 a category entry could be used like a tag though
[11:29:38] <betz2>	 tag = template?
[11:29:59] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 no
[11:30:12] <betz2>	 http://ccc.hackerspaces.be/index.php?title=Tent
[11:30:45] <betz2>	 the transport table is a template
[11:31:55] <betz2>	 and on a transport page i want to see all the tables defined anywhere
[11:32:09] <betz2>	 all the *transport* templates
[11:32:17] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 it's not bidirectional
[11:32:26] <betz2>	 but so i'll look into categories
[11:32:31] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 you can, however group pages into categories
[11:32:52] <betz2>	 well, the transport part will only be part of a page
[11:33:10] <betz2>	 dont want to see the whole tent page, only the transport part of tent
[11:33:46] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 you can't really do that, at least not trivially
[11:33:53] <betz2>	 meh
[11:34:03] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 like i said, it's not bidirectional
[11:34:40] <betz2>	 wikipedia does it with tabular data, no?
[11:36:17] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 there may be an extension to do this sort of thing
[11:36:29] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 someone else might know more
[11:36:38] <betz2>	 allright
[11:36:43] <betz2>	 thanks
[11:36:59] <DanielK_WMDE>	 betz2: wikipedia doesn't do that, no. from what i heard, you may want to look into SMW
[11:37:03] <DanielK_WMDE>	 !SMW | betz2
[11:37:03] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !sb, !sm, !smw, 
[11:37:14] <DanielK_WMDE>	 !smw | betz2
[11:37:14] <wm-bot>	 betz2: SemanticMediaWiki is an awesome extension that lets you connect wiki pages with semantic relations. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki> and <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/>. Mailing lists are available at <http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=147937>
[11:37:23] <DanielK_WMDE>	 since when is the bot case sensitive?...
[11:38:15] <DanielK_WMDE>	 betz2: SMW is pretty powerful, and perhaps overkill for your use case. I foind all the other solutions for "get template data to show it elsewhere" to be quite horrible
[13:03:44] <kim_bruning>	 betz2, I'm going to second semantic mediawiki, it's hella powerful
[13:04:16] <kim_bruning>	 might even be overkill
[13:04:31] <kim_bruning>	 otoh, if it n'aint overkill, you ain't tryin' hard enough
[13:11:10] <Ka_koo>	 Hi all, need some help for upgrade from 1.23 to 1.25
[13:11:47] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 !ask
[13:11:47] <wm-bot>	 Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :)
[13:12:01] <Ka_koo>	 Ok, fine
[13:12:54] <Ka_koo>	 After upgrade models are not interpreted, I can read them in the page
[13:13:38] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 what do you mean by models?
[13:13:38] <Ka_koo>	 Du coup, on parle français ici ?
[13:14:45] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 there may be #mediaiki-fr or something with a similar name but that is only a guess
[13:15:42] <Ka_koo>	 {{
[13:15:43] <Ka_koo>	     if: Bienvenue sur le portail xxxpedia !|{{ 
[13:16:09] <Ka_koo>	 I see that on the page, and all ours mùodels do the same
[13:16:54] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 that looks like ParserFunctions, which is an extension
[13:17:15] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 if you checked it out via git, switch to the REL1_25 branch
[13:17:21] <Ka_koo>	 I need to upgrade ParserFunction ?
[13:18:10] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 how did you obtain ParserFunctions?
[13:18:24] <Ka_koo>	 I try
[13:19:50] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 wait, that one is bundled, not separate
[13:20:18] <Ka_koo>	 yes since 1.15
[13:20:18] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 check Special:Version to make sure that it is enabled
[13:20:57] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 there should not have been a problem when you upgraded
[13:21:13] <Ka_koo>	 It's not in Special:Version
[13:21:29] <Ka_koo>	 The only ext is Renameuser
[13:21:38] <roland_>	 hi. found this project: http://geode.incubator.apache.org/ , how difficult would it be to use it as a mediawiki database backend?
[13:22:52] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 check LocalSettings.php then
[13:23:10] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 there is a new way of loading it in 1.25 but the old way does still work
[13:24:33] <Ka_koo>	 Yes, it works. The ext have been ## before upgrade. Big thanks
[13:26:04] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 roland_: mediawiki doesn't support it
[13:26:28] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 no idea how much work it would be to support it though
[14:17:55] <sdk>	 How can I make my wiki site only editable to only autoconfirmed users?
[14:19:26] <Negative24>	 !
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[14:20:04] <Negative24>	 sdk: !rights
[14:20:09] <Negative24>	 bah
[14:20:15] <Negative24>	 !rights sdk
[14:20:15] <wm-bot>	 For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:20:23] <Negative24>	 there we go
[14:21:16] <Negative24>	 sdk: you would first have to make the autoconfirmed usergroup
[14:21:59] <sdk>	 When I install the wiki doesn't have this group by defalt?
[14:22:07] <Negative24>	 well first restrict to everyone and then allow autoconfirmed and above to edit
[14:23:40] <sdk>	 I'm a bit confused I thought when I install mediawiki it has this group created by default, why do I have to create a group?
[14:23:51] <Negative24>	 yea I meant make the autoconfirmed usergroup able to edit with $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['edit'] = true;
[14:24:02] <Negative24>	 I hit enter too fast
[14:24:59] <sdk>	 That's understandable. So should I just disregard what you said about creating this group?
[14:26:01] <Negative24>	 yea
[14:26:22] <sdk>	 Alright I sure will
[14:26:31] <sdk>	 Thank you for your help
[14:27:04] <Negative24>	 so you restrict access with $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; and then enable for autoconfirmed with the previous command
[14:33:32] <sdk>	 I think so.
[14:46:17] <dj>	 What does this mean "The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, emailconfirmed. "?
[14:46:39] <dj>	 Who can edit?
[14:47:08] <Vulpix>	 the message seems pretty self-explanatory
[14:48:05] <dj>	 So only admins who are emailconfirmed or both admins and/or emailconfirmed uses can edit?
[14:48:21] <Krenair>	 'users in one of the groups'
[14:48:27] <Krenair>	 so both admins and emailconfirmed users can do it
[14:48:30] <DanielK_WMDE>	 dj: both groups. you have to be a member in at least one of those groups.
[14:48:32] <Krenair>	 don't need to be both
[14:48:41] <dj>	 Ok
[14:48:49] <dj>	 So then I added the code right.
[15:21:06] <jorm>	 ugh, another skin?
[15:29:18] <rotpunkt>	 I have a doubt regarding the upcoming breaking change in the continuation API. Can I ask here?
[15:29:42] <valhallasw>	 rotpunkt: yes
[15:30:13] <rotpunkt>	 If my JavaScript or Python script doesn't need any continuation data, my script will break anyway without rawcontinue?
[15:30:23] <rotpunkt>	 I mean: the following request will still be valid? https//en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allcategories&acprefix=Alpha&aclimit=3
[15:30:29] <rotpunkt>	 As you can see I am requesting only 3 result. Or I will not get any results?
[15:40:55] <rotpunkt>	 In other words: the new parameters continue or rawcontinue are mandatory only if I need continuation data. Otherwise the API will work as usual. Is it correct?
[15:55:42] <Ulfr>	 How can I access a user object from outside a user context? I'm adding a simple hook and find myself befuddled
[15:56:04] <Ulfr>	 Trying to see if a user's in a group before I call onPersonalUrls
[16:11:09] <Ulfr>	 Got it, carry on!
[16:46:50] <bigmitch777>	 Hi all, do you know how to change the main page title that appears on top of the browser, without changing the page name?
[16:47:12] <Krenair>	 DISPLAYTITLE?
[16:48:13] <bigmitch777>	 I tried this but it didn't work
[16:48:27] <Vulpix>	 bigmitch777: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle
[16:49:12] <bigmitch777>	 Thnk you Vulpix
[16:56:21] <bigmitch777>	 Now when I open the page there is : "Template:DISPLAYTITLE:TheTitle
[17:05:48] <Vulpix>	 bigmitch777: what version of MediaWiki are you using?
[17:06:10] <bigmitch777>	 1.25
[17:06:14] <bigmitch777>	 vulpix
[17:07:53] <vev_>	 Vulpix: instantcommons is still off
[17:08:46] <valhallasw>	 rotpunkt: if it doesn't do continue, you don't need anything
[17:10:58] <Vulpix>	 bigmitch777: works for me in 1.25
[17:11:23] <bigmitch777>	 OK Vulpix, I'll try it again
[17:12:00] <bigmitch777>	 Vulpix I also tried $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;
[17:12:56] <bigmitch777>	 vulpix maybe it is because of my ShortURL
[17:13:25] <Vulpix>	 I assume you said it displays "Template:DISPLAYTITLE:TheTitle" on the page, not on the URL...
[17:13:26] <bigmitch777>	 I had to do the htaccess method because I have a shared hosting
[17:13:39] <bigmitch777>	 yes
[17:13:51] <Vulpix>	 this has nothing to do with DISPLAYTITLE
[17:14:19] <bigmitch777>	 before editing localsettings.php, I would see on top of the page : Template:DISPLAYTITLE:TheTitle
[17:14:38] <bigmitch777>	 and after editing localsettings, it does nothing
[17:16:00] <Vulpix>	 bigmitch777: http://snag.gy/DRhpW.jpg works for me
[17:17:28] <bigmitch777>	 Oh but I mean I want to change the title of the page that displays in the browser window
[17:17:57] <bigmitch777>	 sorry I don't know it's real name
[17:18:19] <bigmitch777>	 the </title>
[17:19:16] <Vulpix>	 damn
[17:21:30] <Vulpix>	 there's MediaWiki:Pagetitle in general, and also another for the main page, but for the main page I don't remember the name
[17:21:55] <bigmitch777>	 Yes actually I only want to change it for the main page
[17:22:07] <bigmitch777>	 ok I'l google it! thank
[17:22:14] <Vulpix>	 ah, MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage
[17:22:52] <bigmitch777>	 That's crazy! where do you find these? 
[17:23:07] <Vulpix>	 Special:AllMessages
[17:23:18] <bigmitch777>	 perfect ! thanks a lot vulpix
[17:23:22] <Vulpix>	 yw :)
[17:23:44] <Vulpix>	 see also (althought it didn't apply here):
[17:23:46] <Vulpix>	 !qqx
[17:23:46] <wm-bot>	 If you want to find a particular system message being used on a page, you can append the uselang=qqx parameter to the URL. That will replace all system messages used on the page by their message names. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Qqx
[17:27:15] <bigmitch777>	 terrific it works! vulpix
[20:20:56] <obiwahn>	 hi
[20:21:11] <obiwahn>	 i have upgraded form debian wheezy to jessie
[20:21:24] <obiwahn>	 now my mediawiki does not display pages anymore
[20:21:31] <obiwahn>	 when i look at the source
[20:21:47] <obiwahn>	 then the content still seems good
[20:22:54] <kim_bruning>	 that's a lot of things that might have gone wrong
[20:22:55] <Vulpix>	 obiwahn: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#All_pages_have_no_content.2C_but_when_editing_a_page_the_wiki_text_is_there
[20:23:12] <Vulpix>	 obiwahn: if that's true, your MediaWiki version is old, you should upgrade
[20:23:38] <kim_bruning>	 how did you install mediwiki in the first place, via apt? Or separately?
[20:31:33] <obiwahn>	 git
[20:31:56] <obiwahn>	 i have just saved the db and play with composer:)
[20:59:27] <Carvic65>	 Hello, somebody here can help me?
[21:01:04] <Lord-Simon>	 Carvic65: You know, it helps when you state the problem right away.
[21:04:33] <Carvic65>	 I'm Carlos Vicioso, Abelardo Vicioso's son. On last December I provided you a pic from my father that you finally successfully posted in the Spanish version,what I appreciated so much. Then, i promised you an English version of my father's biography. Also, I found so many errors in the text of the Spanish version of my father's biography. I finally have both versions, in English and in Spanish, both corrected, with true and real i
[21:05:08] <MaxSem>	 Carvic65, this is a channel for MediaWiki software
[21:05:30] <MaxSem>	 if you have a concern with a Wikipedia article, you just edit it yourself
[21:05:39] <GEOFBOT>	 Carvic65: you are looking for help with wikipedia?
[21:05:46] <Carvic65>	 I already did
[21:05:47] <GEOFBOT>	 english wikipedia: #wikipedia-en-help
[21:05:53] <Carvic65>	 I already have
[21:06:11] <GEOFBOT>	 what do you need help with then?
[21:06:48] <Carvic65>	 Ah ok, so I have to go the page and edit by myself
[21:07:01] <GEOFBOT>	 if you need help with editing
[21:07:01] <Carvic65>	 I thought I was going to provide the information
[21:07:06] <Carvic65>	 the new text
[21:07:13] <GEOFBOT>	 go to the #wikipedia-en-help channel
[21:07:38] <Carvic65>	 Ok
[21:07:46] <Carvic65>	 Thanks
[21:14:22] <obiwahn>	 mh now my installation is totally broken:(
[21:14:46] <GEOFBOT>	 le gasp :p
[21:14:51] <GEOFBOT>	 * :o
[21:15:14] <GEOFBOT>	 any errors?
[21:17:35] <harej>	 Question: I know you can do easy MediaWiki API queries in JavaScript by requiring mediawiki.api.js. Is there an equivalent thing for easily loading the contents of a page via ?action=raw?
[21:19:55] <obiwahn>	 works!
[21:19:58] <obiwahn>	 hrhrh
[21:20:02] <obiwahn>	 awesome!!!
[21:22:38] <legoktm>	 harej: no
[21:22:43] <harej>	 bah