[00:18:55] <ohNo>	 why is mediawiki telling me You have not specified a valid username
[00:19:02] <ohNo>	 when i am trying to login / create a new account?
[00:19:51] <bawolff>	 ohNo: What username are you specifying
[00:19:59] <bawolff>	 Perhaps its not "valid" ;)
[00:21:50] <ohNo>	 cannot be
[00:21:54] <ohNo>	 because it exists in my database
[00:22:05] <ohNo>	 even when i tried to create account with the username of Admin
[00:22:12] <ohNo>	 it is telling me that error~?
[01:26:29] <thegamer93>	 where does that error come from? http://tearswiki.de/index.php/Hauptseite
[02:43:50] <four>	 hey guys
[02:44:25] <four>	 is there an extension that the admin could vet an article created by a general user?
[02:44:34] <four>	 before that article will be shown on the main page?
[02:45:16] <Hello71>	 what do you think "main page" is
[02:47:46] <four>	 what do u mean?
[02:52:08] <thegamer93>	 @four check ApprovedRevs
[02:54:27] <four>	 ya i am checking that now
[02:54:35] <four>	 but i am not sure if it does what i want.
[02:54:52] <four>	 so it will not publish the article until the admin check "approved" ?
[06:56:43] <four>	 is there a method to allow admin to view a certain category article
[06:56:50] <four>	 and that category is note viewable by general users
[09:02:46] <kkirnbauer>	 hi i am looking for help. i have some problems with the extension LDAP Authentication: My goal is to sync Media Wiki with our Active Directory and IIS 8, synchronize the groups from Active Directory with Media Wiki and users get single sign on.
[09:02:46] <kkirnbauer>	 It works perfectly, when i don't use the AutoAuthentication: require_once( "$IP/extensions/LdapAuthentication/LdapAutoAuthentication.php" );
[09:02:47] <kkirnbauer>	 When i also use the AutoAuthentication, it also works, but the groups don't sync anymore.
[09:10:45] <kkirnbauer>	 somebody can help with the extension LDAP Authentication
[09:10:46] <kkirnbauer>	 ?
[09:11:23] <bawolff>	 !ldap
[09:11:23] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication To get support, open a new thread on the support page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LDAP_Authentication
[09:28:21] <bawolff>	 Anyone know what the actual problem http://devhub.wmflabs.org/wiki/API:Data_and_developer_hub is trying to solve
[09:28:24] <bawolff>	 because I'm confused
[09:30:11] <bawolff>	 Like I don't think the demo page would really make any of the users at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Dev.wikimedia.org#Requirements happy
[09:30:52] <bawolff>	 I'm not really sure why a "mass upload activist" would even use our apis
[09:32:26] <rwadim>	 Hello everyone!
[09:32:35] <Vulpix>	 probably related: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Current_issues#Adding_a_dev_namespace_for_.22Data_and_developer_hub.22_articles_58129
[09:32:53] <bawolff>	 Vulpix: yeah, I was reading that just now
[09:33:54] <rwadim>	 I have one question. Can anyone give me an examle of pagecontent changing using wiki API?
[09:34:19] <bawolff>	 rwadim: Like you mean editing a page?
[09:34:29] <rwadim>	 I have one question. Can anyone give me an example of pagecontent changing using wiki API?
[09:35:14] <bawolff>	 rwadim: Does the bottom of https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=edit (Except it has to be a POST request not a GET request)
[09:35:28] <bawolff>	 rwadim: see also https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=edit
[09:37:04] <rwadim>	 I have a page, which content I can export to xml. No I can change it to my needs. But how can I send my changes back? 
[09:37:56] <bawolff>	 If you're exporting to xml, then you need the Special:Import page on wiki, or presumably their is an equivalent module in the api
[09:59:36] <bawolff>	 ugh I hate LQT. Why does project:Current_issues have to use it...
[10:05:19] <Vulpix>	 it's better than normal talk page. It will be converted to flow soonish
[10:06:03] <bawolff>	 I also hate flow :P
[10:06:12] <bawolff>	 I'd much rather have a normal talk page
[10:06:22] <bawolff>	 particularly for long M:N discussions
[10:07:00] <bawolff>	 clearly I'm in a cranky walk-up-hill-both-ways-through-snowstorm kind of mood today :P
[10:19:49] <thegamer93>	 Special:EmailUser
[10:19:55] <thegamer93>	 how to activate this global?
[10:24:11] <Vulpix>	 thegamer93: it should be enabled as long as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableEmail hasn't been set to false
[10:24:20] <thegamer93>	 oh yeah
[10:24:23] <thegamer93>	 I just did it 
[10:24:26] <thegamer93>	 thank you :)
[10:24:31] <Vulpix>	 and also $wgEnableUserEmail
[10:24:45] <thegamer93>	 I would like to say big thank you to you Vulpix  and the others who helped me
[10:25:07] <thegamer93>	 MediaWiki is a bit complex even with a few php and cms knowledge
[10:26:14] <Vulpix>	 yw :)
[14:11:32] <Peetz0r>	 hey! I am trying to write a page on my own wiki, but around a piece of text "#- */#- */" always appears and when I remove it, it comes back
[14:11:42] <Peetz0r>	 is this some kind of feature? how do I disable it?
[14:13:42] <Peetz0r>	 I am using mediawiki 1.19.11
[14:17:47] <Vulpix>	 Peetz0r: is your wiki public so we can see that?
[14:18:01] <Peetz0r>	 yes, it is
[14:18:22] <Peetz0r>	 the page is http://wiki.sk1llz.nl/P1_uitlezen_met_Tweak_router
[14:18:44] <Peetz0r>	 search the page for 'wget' and see
[14:19:14] <Peetz0r>	 the line should read "/data # wget http://192.168.1.116/ftdi_sio.ko"
[14:19:30] <Peetz0r>	 and the line between 'wget' and 'Connecting to' shoudln't exist at all
[14:20:24] <Peetz0r>	 Vulpix: ^^
[14:21:04] <Vulpix>	 that's indeed strange
[14:22:02] <Vulpix>	 so, when you remove it, save the page, then the text is there again?
[14:22:06] <Peetz0r>	 yep
[14:22:16] <Peetz0r>	 when I don't remove it when editing, it may even appear twice
[14:22:48] <Peetz0r>	 http://wiki.sk1llz.nl/wiki/index.php?title=P1_uitlezen_met_Tweak_router&action=historysubmit&diff=19824&oldid=19823
[14:23:34] <MatmaRex>	 Peetz0r: do you have any "security" features on your web server, or on your web browser, which might be doing that in a misguided attempt to prevent XSS or similar?
[14:23:55] <Peetz0r>	 maybe my browser, lemme check that
[14:23:57] <Vulpix>	 yeah, that's what I was thinking also
[14:24:13] <Peetz0r>	 it *could* very wel be the server because we have had similiar issues before
[14:24:36] <Peetz0r>	 very weird scary error message when someone added 'hacked by somename' on a page
[14:24:54] <Peetz0r>	 but... we are a hackerspace, so that is the stupidest false positive possible
[14:25:03] <Vulpix>	 heh
[14:31:02] <Vulpix>	 it also happens on the api :S that's really weird http://wiki.sk1llz.nl/wiki/api.php?format=jsonfm&action=parse&prop=text|wikitext&text=%23wget+.ko%0A
[14:32:08] <Vulpix>	 apparently, the text "wget" is causing this...
[14:32:56] <Nemo_bis>	 :o
[14:34:01] <Vulpix>	 Peetz0r: in case you can't workaround that on the server, you can put <nowiki /> in the middle of "wget". That would break the word but will be displayed fine on the page, apparently
[14:34:25] <Peetz0r>	 ah, good trick :)
[14:35:01] <Peetz0r>	 but woah, ugly and stupid things happening
[14:36:08] <Peetz0r>	 wait, I locked myself out of the wiki because of another oart of that same triggerhappy falsepositive-throwing beast
[14:36:24] <Peetz0r>	 lemme use another connection (I always carry extra)
[14:44:50] <Peetz0r>	 Vulpix: the nowiki trick does not work because I am inside a <pre>
[14:45:15] <Vulpix>	 damn, you're right
[15:24:56] <vipulsharma>	 hi
[15:29:17] <Mandevil>	 So, I upload SVG image into a wiki page... which promply converts it to bitmap and displays it as a bitmap (browerser is SVG capable, of course). Why?
[15:31:57] <Vulpix>	 Mandevil: apparently, because not all browsers support it, and other security implications. See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593
[15:33:42] <Mandevil>	 Vulpix: That's discussion from 2005?
[15:34:34] <Mandevil>	 I don't get it. What's the purpose of using SVG when you view it as badly rasterized bitmap?
[15:34:46] <Mandevil>	 I can rasterize much better picture out of my source :-I
[15:35:19] <Vulpix>	 configure a better rasterizer
[15:35:28] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NativeSvgHandler
[15:36:07] <Mandevil>	 RobotsOnDrugs: Thanks.
[15:36:12] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 not sure why it says mediawiki 1.18 to 1.21 though
[15:36:19] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 it works well for me on 1.25
[15:37:50] <Mandevil>	 Still, it's mid-2015... is SVG still exotica or something?
[15:39:33] <Vulpix>	 since mediawiki devs work mainly for WMF wikis, that's a low priority
[15:39:46] <Vulpix>	 *most mediawiki devs
[15:40:14] <Vulpix>	 that's the only explanation I could find for that...
[15:40:36] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 i'm guessing it isn't an issue anymore, but it's also not much of a priority
[15:40:40] <Mandevil>	 It's not that bad if you have normal monitor, but with 4K it doesn't look very good.
[15:41:14] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 (especially when a working extension to provide the feature exists)
[15:43:01] <jamesrobinson>	 Hi All. Has anybody had any issues with the OutputPage::addModules() method not loading css and javascript when $wgResourceLoaderDebug is set to false? It's driving me mad.
[15:43:41] <Mandevil>	 RobotsOnDrugs: Yeah, works like a charm.
[15:45:05] <Vulpix>	 jamesrobinson: check your browser's error console for any JavaScript error, or HTTP errors when loading some resource
[15:45:33] <Mandevil>	 RobotsOnDrugs: Now if it was possible to make it fallback to bitmap, it would be cute. But then.. f*** IE8.
[15:46:24] <jamesrobinson>	 Vulpix: No errors in the console and no 404s in the network tab. No errors reported in the resourceloader either. It just seems to be silently ignoring my resource modules.
[15:47:05] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 Mandevil: i don't envy you having to deal with old versions of IE
[15:47:38] <Vulpix>	 jamesrobinson: does any load.php URL contain the name of the module you're trying to load? if yes, they should be loaded there
[15:48:13] <Mandevil>	 RobotsOnDrugs: We still have IE8 as standard browser.
[15:48:50] <Mandevil>	 RobotsOnDrugs: Also have 8 GB RAM company-issue notebook with Win7 32-bit...
[15:49:03] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 i guess you could thankful it isn't IE6
[15:49:07] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 could be*
[15:49:48] * Mandevil spits
[15:51:35] <Mandevil>	 17:47 < RobotsOnDrugs> Mandevil: i don't envy you having to deal with old
[15:51:41] <Mandevil>	 Err, misclick.
[16:13:50] <brion>	 no security implications with native svg in <img> beyond what we already allow (eg you can load the svg via direct url already)
[16:14:06] <brion>	 it's just performance, compatibility, and developer time/interest
[16:14:36] <brion>	 performance -> some SVG sources are huge, or complex and thus render very slowly
[16:15:08] <brion>	 compatibility -> need to make sure fonts work, a few crappy old browsers have fallbacks, etc
[16:15:28] <brion>	 developer time -> well, very little in multimedia has official priority right now. :(
[19:16:16] <wicktt>	 Hi all. Could anyone explain me how to use and translate templates via Translate extension?
[19:16:25] <wicktt>	 I want different table header for each article language, but I dont want include whole table into the <translate> tag. So I tried something like {{templ1}} with this inside [<languages/><translate>text1</translate>]. Then I used Translate to translate this template to other language. But it doesnt work. It shows language selector in the table's cell, or it shows [<translate>text1</teanslate>] there with other templates.
[19:24:44] <GEOFBOT>	 wicktt: on Commons they have some kind of autotranslate thingy
[19:25:04] <GEOFBOT>	 if you want to translate just the table header why not use the translate tag on just the headers?
[19:28:07] <wicktt>	 I thought that templates will be more useable, cuz I have several different tables with similar headers
[19:34:27] <GEOFBOT>	 wicktt: I'm nto sure how you would translate a template but the documentation links to this example https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension-Translate
[19:40:37] <wicktt>	 I tried this, it shows language selector instead of translated template.
[19:41:59] <wicktt>	 And it just me or there really no documentation, just links to other articles about Translate extension?
[19:42:01] <GEOFBOT>	 wicktt: did you put <noinclude> around <languages/> ?
[19:42:18] <GEOFBOT>	 i don't know, i honestly don't work with i18n very much
[19:42:40] <wicktt>	 I tried it now, I didnt see any difference
[19:44:32] <Nemo_bis>	 wicktt: did you read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_administration ?
[19:45:08] <GEOFBOT>	 hi Nemo_bis :)
[19:45:14] <Nemo_bis>	 hi GEOFBOT 
[19:54:06] <wicktt>	 yes, I read this before. After that I tried several ways with tnt, tntn and etc. Sometimes it worked only for default lang and showed language selector instead of translated template
[20:32:51] <JimmyNeutron>	 How do I insert tab?
[20:33:08] <JimmyNeutron>	 trying to align my text...example
[20:33:18] <JimmyNeutron>	 hostname:       mycomputer
[20:33:26] <JimmyNeutron>	 ip:             192.168.1.1
[20:34:58] <WikiFiend>	 Does anyone here have any experience with Parsoid?
[20:35:11] <WikiFiend>	 or the new VisualEditor
[20:35:26] <Krenair>	 I do
[20:36:03] <WikiFiend>	 Awesome, I've been considering using a MediaWiki installation for some friends and I
[20:36:16] <WikiFiend>	 I was hoping to use the VisualEditor to make it as easy to use as possible for them
[20:36:32] <WikiFiend>	 Unfortunately I've only got a shared hosting plan so I can't really install Parsoid on it
[20:36:47] <WikiFiend>	 Is there any way to get the new visual editor without using Parsoid?
[20:36:58] <wicktt>	 heroku
[20:36:58] <Krenair>	 No
[20:37:11] <wicktt>	 can run parsoid
[20:37:20] <WikiFiend>	 It seems odd that if you want to use it you have to either wait ~10s for a heroku instance to spin up or switch to a VPS
[20:37:54] <wicktt>	 I doesnt have this delay
[20:37:54] <WikiFiend>	 (assuming you don't want to pay extra)
[20:38:28] <WikiFiend>	 If the heroku instance isn't being used it falls asleep and then there is a non-zero wait time while it spins up
[20:38:45] <wicktt>	 manual: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor_on_a_shared_host
[20:38:58] <WikiFiend>	 If you decide to pay for a heroku plan then you can keep the instance on continuously
[20:39:07] <wicktt>	 what is idle time before it asleep?
[20:39:41] <WikiFiend>	 I'm just curious what the rationality is to requiring a completely separate NodeJS server instance just for a WYSIWG editor...
[20:39:53] <WikiFiend>	 I think 10-30 min? I can't remember
[20:40:11] <Reedy>	 It's not just a WYSIWYG editor
[20:40:18] <Reedy>	 There is a lot more behind it
[20:40:27] <WikiFiend>	 @wicktt thanks for the link; that's what I tried out and had limited success, I may try again
[20:40:30] <WikiFiend>	 Oh?
[20:40:53] <Reedy>	 The parsoid backend it uses converts html -> wikitext and back again
[20:40:56] <Reedy>	 Among numerous other things
[20:41:30] <WikiFiend>	 VisualEditor project aims to create a reliable rich-text editor for MediaWiki
[20:41:41] <WikiFiend>	 Removing avoidable technical impediments associated with Wikimedia's editing interface is a necessary pre-condition for increasing the number of Wikimedia contributors
[20:41:49] <WikiFiend>	 Quotes from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor
[20:42:11] <WikiFiend>	 Basically it seems like they're trying to create a nice easy to use editor to improve contribution
[20:42:29] <Reedy>	 easy for the editor
[20:42:33] <Reedy>	 not easy for the sysadmin
[20:42:34] <Reedy>	 ;D
[20:42:41] <WikiFiend>	 That is true! haha
[20:43:21] <WikiFiend>	 Which is unfortunate because I do like the MediaWiki software and up until now I've stay away because of the editor; but now the editor is nice but it's a pain for me to set up! haha
[20:43:26] <Reedy>	 Hopefully when it's more stable, and not under so much active development, they'll do some work to make it more install friendly
[20:44:25] <wicktt>	 It looks like it is really tooks 10-20s to spin up free heroku node
[20:44:46] <wicktt>	 Is it really to much for your wiki?
[20:45:04] <Krenair>	 There was some talk of making parsoid "redundant": https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-June/082213.html
[20:45:21] <Reedy>	 lol
[20:45:51] <WikiFiend>	 It's an annoyance, I'm trying to make the barrier to entry as low as possible. If the users have to wait 10-20s for "something" to happen behind the scenes they may be less likely to contribute
[20:46:25] <Reedy>	 make the vm do something non cpu hogging, but busy every 10 minutes
[20:46:37] <wicktt>	 Its not 'something', there is a progress bar
[20:46:43] <Reedy>	 https://quickleft.com/blog/6-easy-ways-to-prevent-your-heroku-node-app-from-sleeping/
[20:47:42] <WikiFiend>	 True but if the user wants to make an edit that would take 3 seconds are they really going to wait 10-20 for the editor to appear? Users are easily frustrated with having to wait
[20:48:06] <WikiFiend>	 For example, if the user goes to a page that says "This is a pgae!"
[20:48:19] <WikiFiend>	 and they notice the mistake, that fix should be 2s
[20:48:34] <WikiFiend>	 they aren't going to want to wait for parsoid to spin up
[20:48:57] <WikiFiend>	 they will want to fix it and continue with their day, but now they're waiting for (as far as they can tell) no good reason
[20:53:31] <WikiFiend>	 Well, thank you for all the information!
[20:53:33] <wicktt>	 Thay also have to wait untill Visual Editor loads on their PCs. For me it tooks ~30s for first load afteer clicking Edit button.
[21:51:04] <Larathiel>	 Is there a waiting period after registering on MediaWiki.org before one can post to the Support Desk?
[21:51:28] <legoktm>	 there shouldn't be
[21:51:34] <legoktm>	 you shouldn't even need an account
[21:51:44] <Larathiel>	 Trying to get help with an inability to upload attachments, but my post doesn't seem to take. :-\
[21:52:01] <Larathiel>	 Yeah, tried w/out an acct, then figured it might have required one.
[21:52:20] <legoktm>	 weird
[21:52:26] <legoktm>	 well, what do you need help with?
[21:53:07] <Larathiel>	 Well I've gotten a new wiki installed for testing (MW 1.25.1, IIS 7.5, PHP 5.6.10, MySQL 5.7.7), and uploads aren't working.
[21:53:26] <legoktm>	 have you enabled them? they are disabled by default
[21:53:37] <Larathiel>	 I can create/edit pages just fine, have ensured that uploads are enables in LocalSettings.php, php.ini
[21:53:59] <Larathiel>	 and the USR_IUSRS group has Modify permission to the images folder
[21:54:12] <legoktm>	 what error messages are you getting?
[21:54:24] <Larathiel>	 Upload warning:Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/63".
[21:54:46] <Larathiel>	 I've tried disabling the file lock manager and that has no effect either
[21:55:25] <legoktm>	 that sounds like your web server doesn't have the proper permissions to create the images subdirectory
[21:56:04] <Larathiel>	 well, that directory already exists, and even giving that group full access seemed to have no effect
[21:57:00] <Larathiel>	 But yes, that does seem like the issue, hence my consternation
[23:34:20] <wicktt>	 So I've added new template 'tnt' with redirect to 'Translatable template' with this code inside https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Translatable_template&action=edit , so now my wiki has almost same tnt template as is in Mediawiki wiki. My demo template Template:Demo contains only this <translate><!--T:3-->text1</translate> and if I go to wiki/Template/Demo/ru&action=edit it shows only 'text1' and for wiki/Template/Demo/en&action=edit it i
[23:36:56] <wicktt>	 If I put {{tnt|demo}} into the table header it shows raw code from 'Template:Translatable template' for default lang (ru) instead of 'text1' and language selector instead of 'text2' for second (en) lang.