[00:22:42] <Farrendel>	 I am having a somewhat confusing issue with $wgUploadDirectory/$wgUploadPath and I am hoping someone here can offer some suggestions. (This might take a while to type up, so bear with me please.)
[00:23:42] <Farrendel>	 Firstly: I am using ShortURIs and ImageMagik (though I do not believe that has a direct impact following my previous investigations).
[00:24:27] <Farrendel>	 If I leave $wgUploadDirectory/$wgUploadPath as default, everything works perfectly.
[00:24:59] <Farrendel>	 However, if I attempt to change them, it:
[00:25:51] <Farrendel>	 Uploads correctly and recognises the file is present (i.e. not a redlink), but does not render the file (either as a thumbnail or as the full size image).
[00:26:05] <Farrendel>	 The 'Original File' link is also broken.
[00:26:10] <Farrendel>	 Any ideas?
[00:27:59] <Farrendel>	 Basically I am attempting to upload into subdirectories within /images for each site (I run multiple sites off the same /core/ location). I.e. /images/site1, /images/site2, /images/site3, etc.
[00:30:35] <four>	 is it possible to create a page with an empty page (that is just submit an empty content and the page will be created) ?
[00:30:52] <Farrendel>	 Usually, yes.
[00:30:56] <four>	 right now i have to type in something in order to have the page created (as i could see from the database)
[00:30:58] <four>	 is it..
[00:31:26] <four>	 because if i just type ABC then click on save page, that ABC does not appear in mydatabase. only if i type some content in the page ABC then i see it is being created
[00:32:43] <Farrendel>	 The database is a bit of a mystery to me, if IIRC the Page and page text entires are saved in (several?) differen tables.
[00:32:52] <four>	 hmm
[00:33:12] <four>	 even so, the empty content ABC page does not appear on my main page.
[00:33:21] <four>	 currently, recently created article will appear on my main page
[00:33:28] <four>	 empty content didnt appear so i assume it is not created :/
[00:33:32] <Farrendel>	 Ah, that is a statistics thing... you can change that behavious.
[00:33:37] <Farrendel>	 behaviour*
[00:33:43] <four>	 how should i do that?
[00:33:54] <Farrendel>	 Give me a moment to look it up
[00:33:58] <four>	 sure thanks
[00:34:04] <four>	 im sorry i could not help you with your issue..
[00:34:08] <four>	 newbie here:/
[00:34:33] <Farrendel>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgArticleCountMethod
[00:35:58] <Farrendel>	 Not sure why you would want to count a blank page as an article, but set that to "any" in your LocalSettings.php, run maintenance/updateArticleCount.php and it will.
[00:37:38] <four>	 so i just set $wgContentNamespaces = any in my localsettings?
[00:38:02] <Farrendel>	 No, set $wgArticleCountMethod = "any"
[00:38:07] <four>	 oops 
[00:38:08] <four>	 thanks
[00:38:09] <four>	 typo
[00:38:11] <four>	 let me try 
[00:38:32] <Farrendel>	 then run the updateArticleCount maintenance script.
[00:39:33] <four>	 is it through cmd?
[00:39:43] <four>	 i am using windows nv  tried update maintenance before..
[00:41:00] <Farrendel>	 yes, run your command prompt
[00:41:48] <Farrendel>	 try the following in there after navigating to your installation directory (i.e. where your LocalSettings.php file is)
[00:41:59] <Farrendel>	 php maintenance/updateArticleCount.php
[00:42:02] <four>	 i just run the updateArticleCount.php on my cmd, it says
[00:42:16] <four>	 to update the  site stat table, run the script with the --update option
[00:42:25] <Farrendel>	 php maintenance/updateArticleCount.php --update then :)
[00:42:27] <four>	 is it considered updated already?
[00:42:36] <four>	 oh
[00:42:53] <four>	 it says done, thanks.
[00:42:58] <four>	 let me try to see if it works :)
[00:43:06] <Farrendel>	 now check your article count
[00:43:42] <four>	 in my database?
[00:44:20] <Farrendel>	 sure, you can check there if you want...
[00:44:55] <Farrendel>	 Personally I would just check the site statistics page though. Much easier.
[00:45:27] <four>	 is it through special pages?
[00:45:35] <Farrendel>	 yup
[00:46:43] <four>	 .. dun think it is working? :/
[00:46:53] <four>	 is it because I am creating a namespace instead?
[00:47:02] <four>	 namespace:ABC 
[00:47:23] <Farrendel>	 By default it only counts the Main namespace, so yes.
[00:48:15] <four>	 ohhhhhhhh nooooooooooooooo
[00:48:29] <four>	 so there is no way to create an empty content page in custom namespace ? :/
[00:49:35] <Farrendel>	 You have to register the namespace first.
[00:49:46] <four>	 at where?
[00:50:01] <four>	 i did the namespace configuration at my localsetting..
[00:50:13] <Farrendel>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
[00:50:29] <four>	 already did this
[00:50:50] <four>	 i can create pages with namespace:abc, namespace:def but not with empty content :/
[00:51:13] <Farrendel>	 If you defined and added it, then made it a content namespace, you should be able to.
[00:51:48] <Farrendel>	 Page "ABC:Thisisapage" should be creatable as empty (though again, why you would want to... ;))
[00:52:27] <four>	 i am referring to his link (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgContentNamespaces) am i correct?
[00:52:40] <four>	 then i put this $wgContentNamespaces = array( ABC); on my localsetting
[00:53:58] <Farrendel>	 you have done the define("NS_ABC", ####); and $wgExtraNamespaces[NS_ABC] = "ABC"; parts first, yes?
[00:54:29] <four>	 define("NS_ABC", 508); define("NS_ABC_TALK", 509);
[00:54:44] <four>	 $wgExtraNamespaces =      array(508 => "ABC",           509 => "ABC_talk",     );
[00:54:50] <four>	 as so in my localsetting
[00:56:13] <Farrendel>	 The next setting should be ContentNamespaces then
[00:57:21] <Farrendel>	 There is a way of appending rather than replacing the existing list... ummm...
[00:58:25] <Farrendel>	 I *think* it is.... $wgContentNamespaces = $wgContentNamespaces & array( <your NS nums here, comma-separated> );
[00:58:35] <Farrendel>	 Been a long time since I've done it though.
[00:58:43] <four>	 hmm so is not as simple as $wgContentNamespaces = array( 508 ); ?
[00:59:08] <Farrendel>	 No. Setting that means that *only* NS 508 holds content.
[01:01:19] <four>	 ya , i would only want 508 to be able to create an empty page
[01:01:26] <four>	 and mediawiki will display that empty page 
[01:01:29] <four>	 or am i confusing lol
[01:01:34] <Farrendel>	 As I said though, it has been a _long_ time since I have messed with custom namespaces.
[01:02:05] <Farrendel>	 Why do you not want content in the Main namespace?
[01:04:02] <four>	 becuase
[01:04:44] <four>	 this function is a user request for a non-existing article 
[01:05:14] <four>	 i am giving it a namespace such that users only can create/edit pages that start with the namespace ABC: and not others
[01:05:17] <four>	 so yeah :/
[01:05:41] <Farrendel>	 Ohhh... Per-namespace permissions. Nice...
[01:05:45] <Farrendel>	 Been there, done that. Heh.
[01:06:24] <Farrendel>	 I remember it being a royal pain to get set up and working.
[01:06:43] <GEOFBOT>	  what if there was a special page that simplified group management?
[01:06:56] <GEOFBOT>	 as in group permissions, not group membership
[01:07:44] <Farrendel>	 I remember I ended up using one of the BizWiki extensions before (that put group permissions on a MediaWiki: namespace page).
[01:08:13] <Farrendel>	 But the namespace part was still all manual, and a headache.
[01:08:32] <four>	 are there such things? 
[01:08:35] <four>	 sigh.
[01:09:32] <Farrendel>	 The trouble you are running into is that Mediawiki is not designed as a CMS, so per-namespace permissions are not built into the core design. (I believe this is still true, as it was back then.)
[01:10:41] <four>	 i believe so..
[01:10:45] <four>	 thanks for the assistance :)
[01:11:14] <Farrendel>	 Sorry I couldn't be more help. It has been way too long since I have really got stuck into namespaces.
[01:12:36] <four>	 is alright, really thanks for your assistance even though you have your own bug yet to be solved!
[01:15:31] <Farrendel>	 It's confusing the heck out of me... heh.
[01:16:23] <four>	 ohhhhhhhhhhh would want to ask another question
[01:16:50] <four>	 is it possible to prepend [[Category:XYZ]] into the content page once a new page is created?
[01:17:08] <four>	 as in when user create a new page, the [[Category:XYZ]] is already in the editor ?
[01:17:12] <four>	 hope i am making sense?
[01:17:55] <Farrendel>	 Not in the core, no.
[01:18:07] <Farrendel>	 I think you can using a boilerplate extension though.
[01:41:31] <stauffenberg>	 hi. i need help, please.
[01:42:03] <stauffenberg>	 i not speak english. only spanish.
[01:42:42] <Farrendel>	 Partially fixed my problem. The "Original file" link now works, but it still isn't generating thumbnails...
[01:51:12] <theatrex>	 Hello, I have a very important question. What permission bit should I set the extensions folder to? 655?
[01:51:34] <theatrex>	 I accidentally fucked up a chmod.
[01:52:06] <Katie>	 Hmmm, depends what user/group owns it.
[01:52:16] <Katie>	 Basically the Web server needs to be able to read files from there.
[01:52:27] <Katie>	 Most extensions probably aren't writing there.
[01:52:43] <theatrex>	 I almost fear using 755.
[01:52:45] <Katie>	 So give sufficient read permissions.
[01:52:47] <Katie>	 Fear why?
[01:52:56] <theatrex>	 Too public for my taste.
[01:53:01] <theatrex>	 Call me paranoid.
[01:53:03] <theatrex>	 lol
[01:53:11] <Katie>	 Shared hosting?
[01:53:15] <theatrex>	 Nah, VPS
[01:53:36] <Katie>	 If you're paranoid, try the most restrictive settings and increment from there?
[01:53:45] <theatrex>	 I set it to 655 and everything seems fine.,
[01:53:53] <Katie>	 Resolved/fixed, then!
[01:53:56] <theatrex>	 Oh! I have another question! :D
[01:54:04] <Katie>	 I have endless snark.
[01:54:42] <theatrex>	 Is there a guide for using HHVM on a Wiki instead of straight PHP?
[01:54:58] <theatrex>	 I hear it's faster and my server isn't the fastest lol
[01:55:44] <Katie>	 You'll need a pretty recent version of MediaWiki.
[01:56:09] <Katie>	 And the HHVM PHP packages, I guess. Not sure how good the docs are.
[01:56:19] <theatrex>	 I am using 1.25.1 :D
[01:56:23] <Katie>	 I'm not sure there's much to it beyond installing HHVM.
[01:56:27] <Reedy>	 Not really
[01:56:30] <Katie>	 Like MediaWiki should just work.
[01:56:36] <Katie>	 As far as I know.
[01:56:45] <Katie>	 I've been considering switching to it as well.
[01:56:49] <Katie>	 Maybe one day.
[01:56:49] <Reedy>	 !hhvm
[01:56:49] <wm-bot>	 HHVM is a thing. It's like PHP but faster. MediaWiki supports HHVM. <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/HHVM>
[01:56:54] <Reedy>	 zomg
[01:57:05] <Katie>	 That sounds like a bot snippet I would write.
[01:57:22] <theatrex>	 Yeah I was on that page the other day when I first discovered HHVM lol
[02:02:55] <theatrex>	 Seems I just done broke meh Wiki while trying to get HHVM working.
[02:02:56] <theatrex>	 Hmm.
[02:02:58] <theatrex>	 Well then.
[02:03:08] <Reedy>	 It shouldn't be too difficult
[02:03:13] <Reedy>	 IIRC, on debian etc at least
[02:03:21] <Reedy>	 It sets itself up inside apache/lighttpd
[02:03:29] <Reedy>	 or is it nginx.. whatever
[02:03:30] <theatrex>	 Ah wait, I see my mess up.
[02:03:36] <theatrex>	 Yeah I'm using Apache.
[02:03:46] <theatrex>	 What is your opinion on nginx by the way?
[02:03:57] <Reedy>	 Can't really comment
[02:04:02] <Katie>	 It's not Apache!
[02:04:16] <Reedy>	 Then it should just be a case of disabling PHP inside apache, or switching php files to be handled by hhvm by default
[02:04:19] <Reedy>	 gj Katie
[02:04:43] <Katie>	 You can visit the page "Special:Version" on your wiki to verify which PHP you're running on the Web server.
[02:04:55] <Katie>	 Can Zend and HHVM exist concurrently the same host?
[02:05:16] <theatrex>	 Waiting for my server to restart at the moment.
[02:05:17] <Katie>	 Katie: Probably.
[02:05:20] <Skizzerz>	 don't see why not, although they'd be separate PHP installs
[02:05:28] <Katie>	 Well, like which would /usr/bin/php launch?
[02:05:37] <Skizzerz>	 whichever the system default is
[02:06:04] <Skizzerz>	 generally if I do multiple installs I leave system php alone and put the actual installs I care about in /opt
[02:06:05] <theatrex>	 Taking for f****** ever to SSH into my server now.
[02:06:14] <Katie>	 Are you in a race?
[02:06:16] <theatrex>	 Crap baskets....
[02:06:17] <Katie>	 Have you tried restarting?
[02:06:22] <Katie>	 klaas: You're hilarious.
[02:06:27] <Katie>	 Err, Katie: ^
[02:06:32] <theatrex>	 Oh wait, I got it.
[02:06:33] <Reedy>	 Katie: update-alternatives
[02:06:37] <Katie>	 Damn tab-completion.
[02:06:54] <Reedy>	 The canonical php can point to cowsay if you really wanted
[02:07:11] <Katie>	 It'd have better typing, anyway.
[02:09:22] <theatrex>	 Sorry for the long wait. Was tweaking something.
[02:09:34] <theatrex>	 PHP version: 5.5.9-1ubuntu4.11 (apache2handler)
[02:09:38] <Reedy>	 We died of boredom
[02:09:46] <Katie>	 RIP.
[02:10:06] <theatrex>	 <3
[02:11:01] <Reedy>	 Step 5: Restart all the things to make the switch from PHP to HHVM
[02:11:02] <Reedy>	 quite
[02:11:37] <Reedy>	 Quick google shows people using nginx and switching php to hhvm
[02:15:36] <theatrex>	 I'm following this: https://runtimereflection.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/how-to-setup-hhvm-on-ubuntu-14-04-server-with-apache-2-4-part-1/
[02:32:24] <Farrendel>	 is Parsoid still limited to amd64 machines, or does it work on i386 now?
[02:32:43] <Reedy>	 No idea
[02:32:56] <Reedy>	 Though, I'd imagine non 64bit support (if non trivial) wouldn't be high on the todo list
[02:33:03] <Farrendel>	 It used to clearly state it in the docs, but I can't find it now...
[02:34:31] <Farrendel>	 Even more confused over my images issue now...
[02:35:07] <Farrendel>	 Two files I have uploaded work fine now. Two other images are showing the problem from before though (all fresh uploads)...
[02:38:23] <Farrendel>	 Ah, nope. Still only amd64. Oh well. Still need to figure out why images are all funky...
[02:54:29] <Farrendel>	 I just don't get why thumbnailing isn't working when I use a non-standard $wgUploaddirectory/$wgUploadPath...
[02:57:52] <Farrendel>	 ...and now the 'Original Image' link is only working for two files (despite no changes being made)...
[03:29:54] <four>	 why do i get this error on my apache log
[03:29:56] <four>	 The given path is misformatted or contained invalid characters
[05:08:25] <four>	 any idea if single sign on (using the auth_remoteuser extension) will work on mobile/tablet device as well ?
[05:08:38] <four>	 it is working on my desktop on 3 browsers( IE,Chrome,Firefox)
[05:08:44] <four>	 i am not sure if it will work on mobile
[06:44:37] <sdaugherty>	 Anyone know what happened to mediawikiwidgets.org and whether or not it's coming back? (or mirrored someplace?)
[09:31:52] <nyuszika7h>	 hi, how can I set up ShortURL (/wiki) with nginx?
[09:35:39] <nyuszika7h>	 I found a htaccess converter, trying that
[09:43:53] <nyuszika7h>	 what the fuck?
[09:44:08] <nyuszika7h>	 the main page offered some GeunEwMW.exe download
[09:45:31] <nyuszika7h>	 that exe is just index.php
[09:51:44] <nyuszika7h>	 ok, fixed by removing "break" from the nginx rewrite rules
[09:52:25] <nyuszika7h>	 but how do I make http://flarar.cadoth.net/ go to /wiki/Main_Page and not the index.php URL? the guide suggests I shpuldn't hardcode Main_Page therw
[09:52:29] <nyuszika7h>	 *shouldn't
[09:54:07] <nyuszika7h>	 oh, by modifying localsettings
[13:58:54] <Leroy2>	 Does anyone know of a Docker with Mediawiki/VisualEditor ?
[14:01:28] <MatmaRex>	 Leroy2: we have a Vagrant environment, if that helps. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant never heard of any Docker package.
[14:03:07] <MatthiasJ>	 I am using MediaWiki. It seems the default Vector skin is not responsive. The Wikipedia Original Skins seems to be devloped to be responsive or have some mobile version. How can I do the same within my own MediaWiki Installation?
[14:10:38] <Leroy2>	 Hrmm interesting
[14:16:38] <MatthiasJ>	 Not much going on here
[14:16:50] <MatthiasJ>	 Hhi everyone?
[14:20:13] <Leroy2>	 hi
[14:20:23] <MatthiasJ>	 Hi Leroy2
[14:21:17] <Leroy2>	 yeah Vagrant looks like it creates a VM using virtualbox... pretty good for developers... not so good for ops
[17:00:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: Raymond_ https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/Adding_support_for_Semantic_Cite_%28SCI%29
[17:15:47] <polybuildr>	 just testing:
[17:15:49] <polybuildr>	 !blame
[17:15:49] <wm-bot>	 Whatever happened, it's Domas' fault. For everything else, there's `git blame`.
[17:15:57] <polybuildr>	 Okay, it actually works. :P
[17:19:43] <Ulfr>	 howdy all, is there some magical mw make-this-input-safe-from-injection method I can encapsulate stuff in before cramming it in a database?
[17:22:45] <Philon>	 Ulfr: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_access#Database_Abstraction_Layer
[17:23:04] <Philon>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SQL_injection
[17:27:06] <Ulfr>	 That helps when I'm working with integers, but what about strings?
[17:29:13] <Ulfr>	 Eh, i'll figure it out. Thanks!
[19:33:58] <sdaugherty>	 Leroy2: vagrant has multiple backends, some of which are better for ops. 
[19:34:39] <sdaugherty>	 I didn't get a response to my question, probably because I posted it in the early morning hours:      19:24 	PBLRD Rental Program‎ (diff | hist) . . (+130)‎ . . Kyalla ahashion (Talk | contribs | block) (Retired.) [rollback 2 edits]
[19:34:40] <sdaugherty>	 N    19:23 	Rental Program‎ (diff | hist) . . (+147)‎ . . Kyalla ahashion (Talk | contribs | block) (placeholder)
[19:34:40] <sdaugherty>	      19:22 	(Move log)‎ . . [Kyalla ahashion‎ (2×)]
[19:34:40] <sdaugherty>	 	     	19:22 . . Kyalla ahashion (Talk | contribs | block) moved page Talk:Rental Program to Talk:PBLRD Rental Program without leaving a redirect ‎(PBLRD Rental Program is retired, make way for new rental program)
[19:34:42] <sdaugherty>	 	     	19:22 . . Kyalla ahashion (Talk | contribs | block) moved page Rental Program to PBLRD Rental Program without leaving a redirect ‎(PBLRD Rental Program is retired, make way for new rental program)
[19:34:45] <sdaugherty>	 oops, sorry
[19:34:54] <sdaugherty>	 wrong thing in clipboard :/
[19:36:11] <qknight>	 hey. i would like to create a offline version of a third party mediawiki
[19:36:16] <qknight>	 how to do that? i mean which tools to use
[19:37:59] <sdaugherty>	 Anyway - actual question instead of stupid spam, mediawikiwidgets.org seems to be down, does anyone know what's up with it or if its mirrored somewhere - almost all the widgets were hosted there
[19:38:51] <sdaugherty>	 qknight, Special:Export or a db dump from that wiki.
[19:43:05] <Vulpix>	 Special:Export would be good for importing later on another MediaWiki. If you want an offline mirror with just plain HTML pages a website copier like HTTrack would do the job (for any website, not just MediaWiki). Be sure to configure it properly, though
[19:44:05] <qknight>	 HTTrack seems more like what i need to use
[19:44:10] <qknight>	 sdaugherty, Vulpix thanks!
[19:52:49] <qknight>	 Vulpix: any idea how to reformat the mediawiki page when doing the httrack dump?
[19:53:04] <Vulpix>	 reformat in what sense?
[19:53:06] <qknight>	 Vulpix: i've been downloading the target wiki and it already looks pretty promising
[19:53:20] <qknight>	 Vulpix: change the style so that the menu on the left is not there
[19:53:42] <qknight>	 Vulpix: i need to rewrite it so that i can put the single pages into a qt::assistant like browser
[19:53:52] <qknight>	 (at least that is what i think would be a good thing to have)
[19:55:00] <Vulpix>	 well, that's not possible. The only way would be to use URLs with action=raw in the query string, like https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=API:Parsing_wikitext&action=render
[19:55:45] <Vulpix>	 you'd have to generate a list of all URLs of pages you want to download first, and change them so they use action=raw, and feed HTTrack with them
[19:57:31] <qknight>	 Vulpix: action=raw seems to be very interesting. maybe this can be used with pandoc
[19:57:37] <Vulpix>	 sorry, I mean action=render, not action=raw
[19:57:41] <qknight>	 Vulpix: do you happen to know how pandoc handles mediawiki templates?
[19:57:48] <Vulpix>	 (the URL I provided as an example is correct)
[19:58:25] <Vulpix>	 I don't know what's pandoc
[19:58:38] <qknight>	 Vulpix: ok, thanks anyway!
[19:58:44] <Vulpix>	 yw
[22:19:07] <Overand>	 Is there a search that's been "blessed" by the project, i.e. what we'd expect to see best supported, active on WP in the future, etc?
[22:21:10] <Overand>	 CirrusSearch, SphynxSearch, etc?
[22:38:10] <RoanKattouw>	 I think CirrusSearch is what WP uses?
[23:34:21] <matanya>	 Overand: WP uses cirrus