[01:29:26] Hello. I have installed MediaWiki by cloning the git repository and proceeding from there. Instead of installing Composer directly I installed it through vendor.git. Now I need to install other stuff, including one thing that explicitly requires Composer. Having installed Composer via vendor.git, where do I now find it so that I can use it for other [01:29:26] situations? [01:42:18] ...Turns out that it's easier to just install it globally and then use that. Alright, thanks [06:02:07] No problem. [10:05:53] hi all, after upgrading to mediawiki 1.25 the view counter on the bottom of the page ( "This page has been accessed 22,925 times.") disappeared, I wonder why... ? Thanks for any hint in advance! Martin [10:09:05] !e HitCounter | martinl [10:09:05] martinl: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounter_ [10:30:22] thanks! | p858snake | wm-bot [10:30:22] Hey martinl, you are welcome, but keep in mind I am just a stupid bot, it was actually p858snake who helped you :-) [10:31:12] that was an intelligent response, wm-bot! [10:36:52] yeah, that's actually kind of magical [10:44:22] * !thanks [20:30:52] Hello cool cats!!! [20:31:31] I am trying to figure out if i am set a parameter of a template to include a table which is what I am trying to accomplish here:https://wiki.gamepaduniverse.com/wiki/Duke_Nukem:_Manhattan_Project_Step_0_Module [20:31:48] the table i am using is class="wikitable sortable" [20:40:50] any good folks out there? [21:09:46] hey i have an issue with my if statement, i wonder if anyone can help me please? [21:10:04] PJosepherum: can you post it? [21:10:09] https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Template:SubstanceBox/Example [21:10:24] Please notice the Onset: {{{SmokedROA_Onset}}} [21:10:29] near the bottom of the table [21:10:47] i cannot figure out in this chunk of code, how to check if the array value is set properly [21:12:26] http://hastebin.com/kiveboyati.django [21:12:32] here is my issue [21:12:43] the array and the logic for rendering it [21:12:54] {{#if: {{#arrayindex: val | 1 }} | [21:13:12] is returning the template's variable title [21:14:18] what's happening? [21:14:44] Result is :Onset {{{SmokedROA_Onset}}} [21:15:03] whent he value is not set with |SmokedROA_Onset=x when called as a template [21:15:20] i figure the if statement should return 0 and not display the table row [21:15:32] tried {{{SmokedROA_Onset|}}} ? [21:15:52] this returns empty string if {{{SmokedROA_Onset}}} is not set [21:16:31] from mw: "{{#if: test string | value if test string is not empty | value if test string is empty (or only white space) }}" [21:16:46] oh ok let me try [21:17:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Default_values [21:17:29] uh [21:17:30] wait where [21:17:37] see the flower example [21:17:46] it lists {{{1}}} {{{2}}} since they are unset [21:18:27] when they add {{{reason|everything}}} etc. those bare {{{1}}}'s are gone and replaced with 'everything' [21:19:06] so i am trying to create an array from an array, including only those items which have been defined in the template [21:19:49] so i do not ever call the variable directly [21:19:59] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23if -> last example [21:20:02] with brackets, i mean, it is done with an algorithm [21:20:12] You can also use a parameter as the test string in your #if statement. You need to ensure you add the | (pipe symbol) after the name of the variable. [21:20:15] Example {{#if:{{{1|}}}|You entered text in variable 1|There is no text in variable 1}} [21:20:46] PJosepherum: well you do, in {{#arraydefine}} [21:21:43] SmokedDuration will contain values extracted from the parameters [21:22:07] <3 thanksoh god [21:22:23] it works now? [21:22:25] no [21:22:30] lol sorry ithat was premature [21:22:38] you might need replace {{var}} with {{var|}} everywhere [21:22:58] but I am not sure how Array extension works, so ymmv [21:22:58] i cannot wrap my head around it. you will see that i am using this if format with two pipes [21:23:13] let me see if that works [21:26:07] oh man i wrote this a year ago i cannot recall how var is even created :| [21:26:07] it is not referenced in any other part of the code lol [21:27:09] oh i think i see, i need to check inline if var:i is empty within the arraydefine [21:28:46] dude cool wiki [21:28:52] ill have to bookmark it [21:28:53] thanks :) [21:28:55] "Define a one-element array named 'e', using ';' as delimiter" [21:28:59] {{#arraydefine:e|apple, pear|;}} [21:29:05] {{#arraydefine: val | {{#arrayindex: InhaledDosage | {{#var: i}} }} | ; }} [21:29:28] i is set before using a loop [21:30:55] may I ask how long you have been working on this site? Seems like its been around awhile. Looks fairly polished. [21:30:57] i only want to set val|i if it is not empty, and not defining it returns the variable name [21:32:10] the project has been going for a while now, it began as this girl's blog; http://disregardeverythingisay.com which has been going for maybe 4-5 years, then about 2 years ago the wiki was created out of her descriptions, and early last year i joined up to maintain the backend [21:33:12] there is a small team of dedicated editors, but we get ~2.5-3k unique visitors each day and have a very active irc community of ~30 entities [21:34:53] very impressive. I have been soloing mine to get it into a acceptable state where I feel comfortable with other editors. Different arena of content but I know how much work something like this takes: https://wiki.gamepaduniverse.com/wiki/PadPedia [21:35:34] I started mine under a year ago, but didn't have any structure prior [21:35:52] i say backend, but this also covers all front end maintenance also, just not much actual writing :p [21:36:41] yep, I have to do it all, but I am very distant from how far your wiki is developed [21:37:04] hey very nice work, i appreciate your efforts! [21:37:49] not on 1.25.2 i see :p [21:38:03] I am interested in human-computer interaction and it's a personal endeavor of mine to find the partial differntial equation for HCI [21:38:09] which is a multi-year thing [21:38:21] haha, if only I had GIT set up right [21:38:37] i am using Windows Server which doesn't make these things as simple as they ought to be [21:38:58] that is interesting. i have a friend interested in opencog that might also enjoy this content [21:39:22] he might, but it's very much in its infancy [21:39:43] oh man it is a lot of work to start over. i recently spent three whole days migrating from 1.24 on OpenSUSE to 1.25 on debian. such a headache [21:39:46] I will releasing the application at the end of this month [21:40:00] haha, yep [21:40:15] and now i am destroyed by an elusive if statement >.< [21:40:35] if you happen to use Windows 10, you will be able to get it on the Store then [21:41:37] haha [21:41:40] windows 10 [21:41:42] lol [21:41:45] i know right [21:41:51] but as a business person [21:41:58] it's sort of unavoidable [21:42:01] yeah i can see the statistical benefit [21:42:44] I love linux, but unfortunately enterprise is strongly resistant to it [21:43:04] random question:do you use Steam? [21:43:05] i taught my grandfather to use mint in a day [21:43:20] it basically does everything for you haha [21:43:25] yeah i do occasionally [21:43:34] Steam OS man [21:43:49] the open-source replacement to console gaming [21:43:53] i do not game often personally. i used to be into fps tournaments, but have little time for such things [21:43:59] disintermediation on the verge [21:44:02] yeah a wonderful development! [21:44:08] counter-strike? [21:44:14] mostly ut2004 [21:44:19] cool [21:44:25] i was obsessed with the half life series also though [21:44:32] yes we all are [21:44:35] hehe [21:44:48] you seem like a pretty decent, intelligent person [21:44:49] i think it is what got me into metaphysics [21:44:58] would you mind if I got your contact information [21:45:13] i am very much into metaphysics [21:45:29] if i were older I think i would have created a similar wiki to the one you are apart of [21:45:42] what comes "after physics" ? [21:45:43] so is our community! :) we are basically trying to reverse engineer consciousness after all, by throwing spanners in the works [21:46:06] not just after, but also before, saper ;) [21:46:10] and during [21:46:22] metaphysics considers: ontology, theology, and philosophy [21:47:00] signing up now [21:47:07] KingOfSneezels, we welcome you to join us at #psychonautwiki on irc.snoonet.org . we have a web client https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/IRC [21:47:17] brilliant! [21:47:19] I thought it's about Aristotle's books but after (μετά) his physics volumes :) [21:48:08] if only i had the time to read source documents like that. collaborative information is faster [21:48:17] I've really got into Principia this year [21:48:29] we share what we discover, and hope to find the "answer" [21:48:29] lol [21:48:43] :) [21:49:12] very groovy man [21:50:04] i love how you consider i might be intelligent, yet i cannot fathom how to inline if in an arraydefine statement [21:50:13] ._. [21:50:31] may i ask what your MTBI personality type is? [21:51:05] Mean Time Between Injections ? :) [21:51:22] myers briggs [21:51:54] joking [21:51:58] mtbf [21:52:37] saper you silly goose [21:52:47] i bet you are a ISTP [21:53:28] rofl [21:53:39] uh, i do not recall. let me check [21:53:46] it varies dependant on the situation [21:54:00] because MTBI is not accurate for all interactions [21:54:03] yes, i mean it shouldn't be a static label of identity [21:54:16] sure, let me distract myself again and check [21:54:28] distractions are so much fun!!! [21:58:25] omg one of our admins kicked everyone [21:58:35] mad para [21:59:08] i felt it [21:59:57] Do you work as a software developer irl, or some related job role our of curosity? [22:01:07] i do not [22:01:11] hmm, ended up on a page about Mild Traumatic Brain Injury [22:01:27] PJosepherum: "not feeling lucky" today? :) [22:01:32] makes this kind of work much more difficult [22:03:06] honestly i have only ever worked admin and have assembled everything from examples and tutorials.. i know how to navigate the php documents, and have written moderate web applications, understand html/css/js [22:03:38] i am currently unemployed and not exactly in a stable home, so i do not have as much time to develop the project as i would like [22:03:51] but this should improve in the coming weeks [22:04:04] what does admin mean? [22:04:09] delegator/ [22:04:10] ? [22:04:24] or fixer upper [22:04:37] does not compute [22:07:18] administrator. operator of a computer for various ad-lib tasks. mostly customer service, but includes things like report compilation or whatever repetitive tasks the organisation has not automated [22:07:49] computer and phone generally [22:08:09] gotcha [22:08:21] soi have worked in a variety of fields, including call centres, small and medium sized companies [22:08:35] all are displeasing and painful to my existence [22:09:01] hence the wiki, which is a sort of nest egg [22:09:02] i feel similarily [22:09:07] i hope it will develop into something great [22:09:26] i haven't worked a traditional job in 3 whole years [22:09:33] and that it will continue to take me outside of personally meaningless arbitration [22:09:40] gratz [22:09:45] no not really [22:09:47] i mean yes [22:10:03] i was able to explore and educate myself in areas I wanted to learn more about [22:10:10] ...but at a huge financial cost [22:10:33] but I am still young...so hopefully, this work will result in something meaningful shortly [22:10:48] indeed. if only a syllabus was open source [22:10:53] if not financial, advance me to a better career [22:10:54] great idea for a wiki [22:11:05] openuniversiwiki [22:11:12] OpenCourseware man [22:11:15] its all out there [22:11:17] haha great! [22:11:36] in this day and age. Anyone that has a computer that can play video can learn anything about any topic [22:11:45] that is actually really inspiring thanks [22:11:51] all lecture notes, videos of lectures, homework [22:12:01] unfortunately metaphysics is not important to many investors [22:12:06] we live in an age where education is merely one's ability to sieze it [22:12:10] indeed [22:12:13] haha [22:12:29] its so hard to pinpoint what metaphysics actually is [22:12:33] there is much interest [22:12:38] but in terms of investment [22:12:54] there is not necessarily a quantifiable return [22:13:23] I think we are doing it right [22:13:29] we are on the mediawiki IRC [22:13:36] we can't be the worst people in the universe [22:14:08] some people have to be trailblazers [22:14:14] if not things do change [22:14:32] we are a scarce commodity I think [22:14:55] and there will always be a huge upfront "cost" in what we do [22:14:59] but someone has to do it [22:15:09] and I rather be a contributor than a take [22:15:09] r [22:16:09] i'm afraid i am a burden to everyone in my direct social group, and all of my efforts are for virtual entities in hyperspace. my family does not consider this project even moral haha [22:16:14] =[ [22:16:20] but, time heals all wounds [22:16:21] and heroin [22:16:35] lol, no [22:16:36] hahaaha I love the way you think, sir [22:17:15] well when things aren't so great irl, turn to mediawiki IRC [22:17:31] there will always be some empathic creature that will understand [22:17:33] you are welcome :) [22:17:38] actually i am meditating and practising mental capacitive tasks as per http://www.dharmaoverground.org/ to try augment my experience to be better [22:18:05] like saper...apparently [22:18:21] question: in order to actually be communicating on this channel does that mean I am nerd? [22:18:22] aw it's nice to see the spirit of love and sharing is ripe in the open source community. our own channel is all about free love haha [22:18:29] i really don't think i am a nerd [22:18:58] ANSWER THE QUESTION LOVERS!!! [22:19:36] saper:please respond, friend [22:19:55] oh btw, i actually figure i statistically balance the line between {{I|E,S|N,F|T,J|P}} [22:20:08] I don't understand [22:20:31] i cannot discern either way for any of the definitions used in the MTBI http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/ [22:20:34] MBTI sorry [22:20:35] am i a nerd? [22:20:37] Being here reminds of Polish clothing brand "Reserved" ad slogan: "Never established." [22:20:50] i am all of the above [22:20:52] and none of the above [22:21:00] i am everything, i am one [22:21:41] darn it saper [22:21:47] please give me a straight answer [22:21:50] AM I A NERD? [22:22:04] I need confirmation from you out of all people [22:22:35] no idea, sorry. [22:22:45] saper:^ [22:22:53] what@@@@ [22:22:53] if you are using mediawiki you are probably 35+ :) [22:23:00] wow [22:23:08] 25 [22:23:33] is that young for mediawiki then? [22:23:51] should I be doing all the cool pop culture stuff for my age group? [22:23:52] omg [22:23:52] omg [22:23:58] what am i doing with my life? [22:24:11] oh please [22:24:34] I am serious [22:24:37] I am 25 [22:24:45] what is so hard to believe about that age? [22:25:00] not unbelievable [22:25:11] atypical? [22:25:14] kids these days are incredibly adapted to hyperspace [22:25:17] i am only 24 [22:25:42] i would suggest that older people probably prefer mailing lists [22:25:48] than instant responses [22:25:48] lol [22:25:55] mail order catalogs? [22:26:13] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists [22:26:14] saper:may I ask how old you are? [22:26:29] I know what a mailing list is crying out loud [22:26:33] i am older than you man [22:26:38] ;) [22:27:50] let me answer this way: I sent my first email ca. 1991 [22:28:08] am I digital native ?:) [22:28:09] Dinosaurs? [22:28:21] hey man [22:28:40] I like you saper [22:29:04] Question tho based on your worldly experience in this game called life... [22:29:36] Should I spend less time on computers and more time leading a more normalized existence for whatever my present age is? [22:30:00] in other words, do you have any regrets about being a huge nerd? [22:30:22] everybody has its own answer to that [22:30:32] ...and what is yours [22:31:28] I am somewhat serious. I feel like a have wasting much of my youth. [22:31:38] I really don't even know what Taylor Swift is [22:32:36] KingOfSneezels: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity [22:33:53] saper:you are so much smarter than me with your insults [22:34:17] I hope when I am your wise age I can do the same to some young punks on the Mediawiki IRC channel in my freetime [22:39:02] saper:Well best be off to doing sociable activities this labor day weekend. Got to focus on improving my rankings in my cliques. Peace! [22:40:03] who is in labor? congratulations! [22:41:00] saper:you are such an INTP. I know. I'm an INTJ and I am seldom wrong about these things [22:41:32] box you up later! [22:42:36] "INTPs are unlikely to understand emotional complaints at all" [23:01:50] i am an EMF [23:01:55] electromagnetic frequency [23:02:35] oscillating in a biological virtual reality system which crudely represents the physical matter reality in which i reside [23:03:36] PJosepherum: sounds complicated [23:04:43] not if you consider the holofractographic principal [23:04:57] and phi as source [23:05:01] naturally! [23:05:07] exactly [23:08:52] ori, hey, did you get my message earlier? [23:15:25] plz to halp https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sofq393lbv64a8gu [23:15:31] i can't fathom this logic [23:15:35] my head hurts [23:16:25] Krenair: nope