[08:54:54] <Polochon_street>	 Hi everyone! I'm trying to get tokens in order to access some functions (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuth), but it seems that before that I need to contact mediawiki's admin in order to get one, who should I contacct?
[08:55:58] <bawolff>	 Polochon_street: The list of wikimedia oauth admins is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=oauthadmin&limit=50
[08:56:29] <bawolff>	 Polochon_street: anomie, csteipp and yuvipanda can often be found on irc
[08:58:16] <Polochon_street>	 okay, thanks very much :)
[09:08:15] <Guest97153>	 Hi, I just want to tell you that there is a problem when downloading an mediawiki extension. --2015-09-15 10:57:29--  https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/LdapAuthentication-REL1_25-d4db6f0.tar.gz Resolving extdist.wmflabs.org (extdist.wmflabs.org)... 208.80.155.156 Connecting to extdist.wmflabs.org (extdist.wmflabs.org)|208.80.155.156|:443... connected. ERROR: cannot verify extdist.wmflabs.org's certificate, issued by �
[09:08:33] <Guest97153>	   Issued certificate has expired.
[09:09:41] <bawolff>	 Guest97153: Can you report that in the #wikimedia-operations channel?
[09:09:49] <Guest97153>	 But I ignored the certificate error and was able to download the file via wget.
[09:10:06] <Guest97153>	 Ok how can I switch?
[09:10:19] <bawolff>	 Guest97153: That's ok, I can just pass it on
[09:10:20] <saper>	             Not After : Sep 15 00:43:52 2015 GMT
[09:10:58] <saper>	 this is for all labs
[09:11:01] <Guest97153>	 Ok, then I will pass it.
[09:11:46] <Guest97153>	 Thanks for your help.
[09:12:34] <bawolff>	 I've been told the cert is in the process of being renewed right now
[09:13:15] <bawolff>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112608
[09:31:23] <asdkhasjkfhjkahj>	 #wikimedia-operations
[10:39:39] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Hello, I am importing a xml dump into a MW with sqlite - which is slow and misses stuff like: user accounts, edit logs, ... :-(
[10:39:40] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Is there a way I could import the full mysql export into sqlite ?
[10:40:20] <bawolff>	 Mysql syntax is very close to sqlite syntax. There's probably scripts on the internet to convert
[10:40:43] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 that would be perfect, let me extend my initial search
[10:40:55] <NDK|Cloud>	 Is the new wiki/db still sqlite or is it MySQL? or was the old db mysql?
[10:41:15] <NDK|Cloud>	 I've tried using conversion scripts and (maybe I just messed up, but) I couldn't get most of them to work right, even some of the paid apps :p
[10:41:56] <NDK|Cloud>	 I just upgraded a wiki using mysql by installing a new version of mediawiki with the same sqlite db name, and then i coppied the old db over the new one and mediawiki just used it :p i hate sqlite tho
[10:42:14] <NDK|Cloud>	 on a related note, I broke shit! http://prntscr.com/8gjx1i
[10:42:20] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 the old wiki is using mysql and the new wiki will be using sqlite
[10:42:32] <NDK|Cloud>	 If i may ask, why are you switching from MySQL to sqlite
[10:43:06] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 I don't want to run mysql all the time as service, I am here on a not-so-good-resourced device
[10:43:43] <NDK|Cloud>	 Ah, alright 
[10:44:37] <NDK|Cloud>	 Hi #mediawiki, does anyone know how to delete a "File:" page for an image/file that doesn't exist on the server? When I try to do this I currently get on-wiki MWExceptions about file's not existing (including the image itself and lock files)
[10:45:42] <Nemo_bis>	 Erkan_Yilmaz: did you follow https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Tools_for_importing ?
[10:46:12] <Nemo_bis>	 oh sqlite
[10:46:36] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 yes, I was using: importDump.php since I thought Special:Export might time out 
[10:47:12] <Nemo_bis>	 Often most of the time goes into l10n lookups and stuff, make sure to check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Performance_tuning
[10:47:58] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 ok, will do
[10:48:12] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 I am currently importing to see how large the sqlite Db will get
[10:48:39] * NDK|Cloud is curious as to what "sudo rm -rf /boot" will do on the machine hosting his wiki.
[10:50:07] <NDK|Cloud>	 -bash: line 96: /bin/ls: No such file or directory.
[10:50:52] <saper>	 NDK|Cloud: you could possibly delete rows from the database...
[10:51:17] <NDK|Cloud>	 XD saper: yeah I'm just going to go ahead and rebuild this vm from a fresh debian 8 image :p
[10:51:51] <NDK|Cloud>	 deleted sudo, tried to reinstall sudo, "/usr/bin/apt-get: no such file or directory" whoops :p eheheh
[10:52:03] <NDK|Cloud>	 I still have my backups but I kinda broke shit on wiki :p woo
[10:57:48] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 I guess I could try: mysql2sqlite.sh https://gist.github.com/esperlu/943776
[10:59:58] <bawolff>	 NDK|Cloud: running sudo rm -rf on random directories generally ends poorly ;)
[11:02:02] <NDK|Cloud>	 bawolff: sudo stopped working. :p
[11:02:16] <NDK|Cloud>	 Rebuild in progress lmao.. Whoopsies
[11:49:02] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 that mysql2sqlite.sh doesn't look good, running it throws too many: "too many terms in compound SELECT"
[11:59:10] <NDK|Cloud>	 :P installing mediawiki from git master 
[12:46:21] <wmat>	 anyone noticed a slight increase in real people creating accounts on your wiki with external links on their User pages?
[12:46:54] <wmat>	 i had about 2 in 6 months, then 10 or so this week alone :(
[12:47:14] <wmat>	 and that's using a dynamic captcha
[12:48:11] <wmat>	 it amazes me that someone trying to sell knockoff Gucci handbags would think anyone on a technical site would click on their links
[12:51:55] <bawolff>	 Well, you know, automated computer programs tend not to think things through
[12:52:03] <NDK|Cloud>	 ^ yea
[12:53:48] <wmat>	 bawolff: well, if it's a bot, it's a good one as my captcha is dynamic and random
[12:54:22] <bawolff>	 Well you know, sometimes there are hybrid bots
[12:54:58] <bawolff>	 it saves just the captcha, then re-uses the captcha on a porn site to get the answer, then answers the captcha. Or just pay some poor person in a third world country to answer captchas all day
[12:55:16] <wmat>	 the latter is what i figure is happening
[12:55:34] <NDK|Cloud>	 I laughed way too hard
[12:56:12] <bawolff>	 The re-use captchas on porn sites to get the answer, is a real thing that spammers sometimes do
[13:42:00] <malaverdiere>	 Hi everybody. I just wanted to confirm a hunch - if I use the latest CLDR with an older version of Mediawiki, is it going to cause a bunch of preg_match errors?
[13:43:11] <saper>	 there is an incompatibility between some version of pcre and MW
[13:44:29] <bawolff>	 On recent versions of MW, I think we test for that incompatibility in the installer (Not 100% sure)
[13:45:18] <saper>	 malaverdiere: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60213 this was
[13:45:37] <malaverdiere>	 hm. I'm using MW as a case study for my phd project and I have to use older versions - all the way to 1.15
[13:45:44] <bawolff>	 oh, that is older
[13:46:11] <bawolff>	 malaverdiere: If you were saying something like 1.19, that probably wouldn't be a good idea, but 1.15 is a long time ago
[13:46:29] <malaverdiere>	 right now I"m trying to get 1.22 to work :)
[13:47:19] <bawolff>	 Most extensions have REL1_XX branches, that work with that version of mw (prior to 1.19, the branches aren't in git, only svn)
[13:47:33] <bawolff>	 so for 1.22, use the REL1_22 branch of whatever extension
[13:48:38] <malaverdiere>	 last time I checked, they weren't in the composer repo - I'm guessing that its on purpose
[13:48:49] * malaverdiere starts tweaking his script
[13:49:37] <malaverdiere>	 right now I'm using a Debian Jessie setup - but I can use an older Debian setup for the older versions as well - are there other incompatibilities to expect?
[13:50:17] <saper>	 I wouldn't switch OS for different mediawikis
[13:51:02] <malaverdiere>	 its in Docker - not a big deal
[13:53:03] <saper>	 well, additional variables to the equation
[13:53:08] <malaverdiere>	 oh wait, composer has tags for dev-REL1_21 and up :)
[13:53:32] <malaverdiere>	 so that's gonna be easier to manage :)
[13:54:42] <malaverdiere>	 I'm planning to open source that benchmark environment when I'm done getting it to work
[13:54:56] <malaverdiere>	 That's going to be very useful for future researchers
[13:57:57] <bawolff>	 I'm surprised anything is in the composer repo...
[14:00:15] <Nemo_bis>	 malaverdiere: remember the basic settings suitable for your use case, if you want to measure something realistic https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Performance_tuning
[14:01:16] <malaverdiere>	 I have 4-5 different configurations
[14:01:51] <malaverdiere>	 MW has good documentation - I didn't have to dig in the code too much
[15:51:44] <malaverdiere>	 So I'm still getting preg_match compilation failed errors in 1.22 for  PHP 5.6.12-0+deb8u1. Happens both with and without cldr
[15:52:27] <malaverdiere>	 I know this is not a very important - since its older - but I wouldn't mind a hint or two :)
[16:00:42] <MatmaRex>	 malaverdiere: not sure if it's the same bug, but i remember something with preg_match failing with some versions of PCRE, let me see if i can find it
[16:17:55] <malaverdiere>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms
[16:17:58] <malaverdiere>	 PHP Warning: preg_replace(): Compilation failed: group name must start with a
[16:18:00] <malaverdiere>	   non-digit at offset 4 in /var/www/wiki/htdocs/includes/MagicWord.php
[16:18:09] <malaverdiere>	 " You need to downgrade PCRE, or update MediaWiki to version 1.22.1 or newer"
[16:18:14] <malaverdiere>	 lemme try on 1.22.1 first
[16:19:32] <MatmaRex>	 malaverdiere: sorry, i got distracted; that's the one i was thinking of. IIRC the patch applies successfully to a number of older MW versions people tried it with.
[16:20:45] <malaverdiere>	 gud
[16:23:28] <malaverdiere>	 so far so good, I'm not seeing those when running the installer
[16:23:43] <malaverdiere>	 I'll tweak my script to cherry-pick that commit when working with an older version
[16:24:24] <Betacommand>	 Gotta love people who dont read the API docs
[17:39:30] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 HI, what are you using to make a static copy of your MW site ?
[17:40:00] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 I tried some extensions, but I think wget is the best from them, but still not satisfactory
[17:40:11] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 wget is no extension, ofc :-(
[17:41:06] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 btw: I gave up on using sqlite as DB, it may be good to set that for a fresh wiki, but with my existing wiki, it's just consuming time
[17:41:09] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 back to mysql
[17:41:55] <Pennth>	 trying to run update.php and I get Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message '/home/wiki/web_docs/mediawiki-1.25.2/extensions/ConfirmEdit/extension.json does not exist!' ; I've confirmed that there was no extension.json file at the root level in the tarball, but there are for the four captcha subdirectories
[18:06:19] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 "A simple functioning solution to produce static HTML from MediaWiki doesn't currently exist!" https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML
[18:11:26] <MatmaRex>	 Pennth: hmm. can you file a bug?
[18:11:33] <MatmaRex>	 !fileabug
[18:11:36] <MatmaRex>	 !newbug
[18:11:36] <wm-bot>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/
[18:12:07] <MatmaRex>	 !fileabug alias newbug
[18:12:08] <wm-bot>	 Created new alias for this key
[18:12:36] <MatmaRex>	 Pennth: you can leave all fields other than "Title" and "Description" empty/unchanged
[18:18:59] <Pennth>	 Thanks, MatmaRex. I used the old-style require_once, and the update ran, but that does seem like an extension bug, since it's packaged with the base install
[18:26:52] <Pennth>	 MatmaRex, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88047
[19:23:13] <eranroz>	 Question about CentralNotice - for campaigns that link to external sites - should it link in a new window(target=blank)? or use regular link?
[20:03:33] <NDK|Cloud>	 Hey guys hopefully quick question. Maybe I'm crazy, but in 1.24 I used to use array_merge() to make a group inherit rights from multiple groups at the same time, and I thought this worked in 1.25 also. I just checked out the git master earlier today and installed mediawiki, copy/pasted some group permissions, and according to Special:ListGroupRights it
[20:03:33] <NDK|Cloud>	 appears to not be working
[21:00:03] <Guest85558>	 Hello, I'm looking for advice
[21:59:39] <bumm13_>	 mew? =^.^=
[22:00:35] <bumm13_>	 anyone here?
[22:00:35] <wm-bot>	 Hi bumm13_, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
[22:01:03] <bumm13_>	 just have a somewhat-minor template/infobox issue
[22:02:34] <bumm13_>	 I can't get entry columns to line up using certain parameters in the Infobox TV channel template
[22:04:17] <bumm13_>	 (using "online serv" / "online chan")
[22:09:37] <bumm13_>	 anyway, if anyone is interested at all, the article is "AWE (TV network)"
[22:09:47] <bumm13_>	 I left a note on the article's talk page
[22:38:34] <woozle>	 Still having difficulty working out how to create a page from form data -- details (and links to code) here, in case anyone is masochistic enough^W^W^W happens to know how to do this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/Mj2zaY7J7Sv
[23:45:38] <robertlabrie>	 I'm playing in the API sandbox in the en wiki and I see that action=query&prop=revisions&rvdiffto=prev, the diff propery is escaped HTML. Is this how it's stored in the DB? Can I get it in a UNIX-like diff? Just wondering. Thanks.
[23:59:49] <MatmaRex>	 robertlabrie: it's not stored, it's generated on demand.
[23:59:52] <robertlabrie>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T15209 <-- explained everything