[00:44:36] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Grrrr why does installer still say "Postgres ...is not recommended for use in a production environment", yet nothing for Oracle and SQL Server?
[00:44:57] <G_SabinoMullane>	 That just ain't right. :)
[00:52:00] <Platonides>	 G_SabinoMullane, everyone should already know they shall not use Oracle or SQL Server in production
[00:52:05] <Platonides>	 no need of warnings there :)
[00:54:40] <Skizzerz>	 well, you *can't* use either of them in production because they don't work with recent mediawiki :P
[01:41:27] <Hydrox1de>	 Oracle aims mighty cannon based on repurposed enslaved SPARCstations
[01:42:22] <Hydrox1de>	 The remnants of Sun's soul cry out in anguish and protest
[01:48:31] <harej>	 Where can I tell in the database whether a user is a bot?
[01:48:54] <harej>	 Or whether a revision is a bot edit?
[01:50:17] <harej>	 user_groups, okay.
[02:39:17] <ostriches>	 Platonides, G_SabinoMullane: Someone was going to work on mssql, remember?!? :p
[02:39:23] <ostriches>	 related: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/search/query/RO57rSk_a6LS/#R
[02:41:16] <ostriches>	 Oh, now I feel like a jerk there's totally a recent bug about it heh
[02:43:22] <mutante>	 it's fun that it has both: "Native Microsoft SQL Server Support" and "Kill MSSQL support with fire" :)
[02:44:00] <mutante>	 i'll have to say that killing it depends on adding it :)
[02:44:10] <mutante>	 blocked by
[03:51:55] <Katie>	 c: Done.
[03:52:43] <c>	 Katie: you're alright, i don't care what they say about you 
[03:54:58] <Katie>	 Heh.
[03:55:04] <Katie>	 I've been saying that around my office lately.
[03:55:15] <Katie>	 "You're doing great, I don't care what the others say about you."
[05:31:34] <horherocks>	 Hi
[05:34:09] <ori>	 hi
[05:43:54] <c>	 hi
[05:58:28] <Katie>	 Hi.
[09:20:09] <godofhavoc>	 Forgive me for the dumb question as I am a newbie. Can anybody give me some links on how to create a wikipeida bot?
[10:54:11] <brackendawson>	 Hi, is anyone aware of trouble with $wgServer and $wgCanonicalServer in 1.25.2?
[10:54:43] <brackendawson>	 My canonical links are coming out as http:https://my.wiki/somepage
[11:32:10] <Diegg>	 Hi there
[11:32:13] <Diegg>	 hows going
[11:32:53] <Diegg>	 have a problem with my mediawiki after finish the instalation. Cant charge de skins/template, rest is ok
[11:33:02] <Diegg>	 any idea?
[11:37:40] <LuisMiguel>	 Diegg, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration
[13:36:14] <Diegg>	 hi there, anyone can help me please?
[13:37:46] <andre__>	 Diegg, hi. Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[13:37:59] <andre__>	 Nobody knows yet if they can help because you have not asked a "real" question yet :)
[13:38:12] <Diegg>	 kk
[13:38:13] <Diegg>	 so
[13:38:39] <Diegg>	 after my install of mediawiki and acces by ip, the front skin is not loaded
[13:38:50] <Diegg>	 localhost works fine
[13:39:10] <Diegg>	 but try acces by ip or remote and dosent work
[13:39:43] <andre__>	 what is a "front skin"?
[13:40:52] <andre__>	 Diegg, Only one skin? Or no CSS in general?
[13:43:01] <andre__>	 Also, have you checked the server log, e.g. for 500 errors? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[14:22:13] <cluelessperson>	 Is there a way to allow tiers of access for different sections of a wiki?
[14:22:53] <cluelessperson>	 Customers Representatives Support Development Executive ?
[14:24:49] <NDK|Cloud>	 cluelessperson: MediaWiki isn't really made to be a CMS (content management systems). There are some extensions that may offer what you want, but they may contain security holes and shouldn't be trusted to completely secure sections of wikis.
[14:25:08] <NDK|Cloud>	 Permissions can be changed per group and user but not usually per page or namespace (iirc)
[14:26:09] <cluelessperson>	 NDK|Cloud, namespace seems very very important
[14:26:38] <NDK|Cloud>	 I feel like I was actually just recently looking this up but I'm a little busy atm
[14:26:56] <NDK|Cloud>	 Again, it's not made to be a CMS but you could check MediaWiki.org for extensions
[14:30:17] <NDK|Cloud>	 cluelessperson: https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[14:44:40] <brackendawson>	 I found a workaround to my issue, but I think there's a bug relating to $wgCanonicalName, so I've raised T114243
[15:18:39] <lhopki01>	 Hi
[15:18:49] <lhopki01>	 I'm getting intermitant database connection errors and I'm not sure why.
[15:19:30] <lhopki01>	 I turned on debugging and it reports that it cannot touch the database server. Unknown Mysql server.
[15:19:37] <lhopki01>	 but this only happens every 5-20 clicks or so.
[15:20:11] <NDK|Cloud>	 can you check logs for the server? (not the mediawiki logs)
[15:21:12] <lhopki01>	 I'm getting nothing in my nginx logs or php logs
[15:22:18] <NDK|Cloud>	 Are there sql logs? What sql server do you use?
[15:22:26] <lhopki01>	 mysql
[15:22:32] <lhopki01>	 external server
[15:22:42] <lhopki01>	 but according to that error it's not even hitting that server.
[16:16:17] <khitron>	 Hi. Could you help me, please? The page https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%A9:IKhitron/%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A7%D7%91 does not work from today ONLY from my wiki account in any browser. It works well from other accounts and from IP, but from my account I can see only error message: http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~khitron/wiki/pictures/Screenshot19.jpg. Thank you very much in advance.
[16:16:50] <aharoni>	 ori: ^ it will be a bit easier for you to debug
[16:17:22] <aharoni>	 khitron: which error do you get?
[16:17:52] <DennisRoczek>	 khitron: i guess it is a customJS
[16:17:59] <khitron>	 As you can see in the screenshot: Exception encountered, of type "BadMethodCallException" 
[16:17:59] <DennisRoczek>	 in your profile
[16:18:05] <DennisRoczek>	 did you tried to log out?
[16:18:24] <aharoni>	 custom JS is the first thing I would consider, but BadMethodCallException is a PHP error, so it's a bit weird
[16:18:32] <khitron>	 Yes. And it works fine then.
[16:19:32] <DennisRoczek>	 fine then? when logged out?
[16:19:59] <aharoni>	 DennisRoczek: yes, and I can see it, too.
[16:20:19] <aharoni>	 so it's probably something with the particular user account, but I cannot think what can it be.
[16:20:20] <DennisRoczek>	 oh, i do not recieve it. here the page works
[16:20:40] <aharoni>	 PHP doesn't even show a stack trace or anything like that.
[16:20:49] <DennisRoczek>	 maybe a cluster problem? (so you are both on the same geo-cluster)?
[16:20:56] <ori>	 2015-09-30 16:16:24 mw1049 hewiki exception ERROR: [523eb4f4] [no req]   BadMethodCallException from line 499 of /srv/mediawiki/php-1.26wmf24/includes/changes/EnhancedChangesList.php: Call to a member function getTitle() on a non-object (NULL) {"exception_id":"523eb4f4"}
[16:21:39] <ori>	 Krenair: related to the scap by any chance?
[16:22:18] <Krenair>	 ori, I don't think so, in theory the only changes that should've gone out were to MatmaRex's changes to Special:MovePage and IE9 styling things
[16:22:36] <ori>	 here's the full trace: https://dpaste.de/cNiX/raw
[16:23:08] <Glaisher>	 huh
[16:23:11] <ori>	 i don't actually have time to debug this further at the moment :(
[16:23:11] <Glaisher>	 I thought that got fixed.
[16:23:56] <Glaisher>	 That is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112738
[16:24:14] <Glaisher>	 has not reached hewiki yet
[16:28:08] <khitron>	 Changed the preferences. It's exactly the problem. But it never was here, what changed? And how can I avoid this using grouping? Thanks.
[16:29:42] <Glaisher>	 It won't occur when this week's update gets deployed to hewiki
[16:29:48] <Glaisher>	 so you can turn the option back on when that happens
[16:31:12] <khitron>	 Thanks a lot for your help!
[16:41:57] <aharoni>	 Glaisher, khitron - that's the Thursday train, right?
[16:43:31] <Glaisher>	 aharoni: yep
[16:43:40] <aharoni>	 glaisher cool
[16:43:57] <aharoni>	 khitron: wait till Thursday 22:00 or so Israeli time
[16:46:55] <khitron>	 About 21:15
[16:47:38] <aharoni>	 khitron: sometimes, sometimes later
[16:48:22] <khitron>	 Nevermind
[17:00:52] <Polochon_street>	 Hi! Is there any known tutorials on how to use http://wdq.wmflabs.org/ with an archive of, for instance, wikidata?
[17:05:10] <legoktm>	 Polochon_street: hi, you might want to ask in #wikidata
[17:07:49] <Polochon_street>	 thanks!
[17:56:15] <rawsted>	 i'm looking at mwoffliner to create a static version of an internal wiki. the problem is, the wiki is proected by shib (SAML) auth, and it rather seems that mwoffliner won't be able to handle this. am i correct in that observation?
[18:33:32] <Plorntus>	 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lICLY2Pv/
[18:33:52] <Plorntus>	 Got a large GIF file someone is trying to upload, getting segmentation faults via the thumbnailer
[18:34:24] <Plorntus>	 does anyone know what could be the cause (I mean obviously its the large GIF image but is there any workarounds/fixes for this that do not require reducing the GIF file)
[18:34:31] <rawsted>	 Plorntus: have you tried increasing wgMaxShellMemory?
[18:35:28] <Plorntus>	 Hmm I've not, I saw that but thought it may have something to do with the timeout due to the error descruption but im guessing thats actually just the output of the command it was trying to run and not actually a description of the error 
[18:36:09] <rawsted>	 Plorntus: what command is it? if you're using imagemagick it'll be convert
[18:36:25] <rawsted>	 i had this exact issue and doubling wgMaxShellMemory from 300mb to 600mb solved it
[18:36:54] <rawsted>	 "If generating thumbnails with ImageMagick fails with a web server error log message like "Memory allocation failed" or "/bin/ulimit4.sh: Segmentation fault /usr/bin/convert ...", the $wgMaxShellMemory value may need to be increased.
[18:40:05] <Plorntus>	 hmm just upped the limit going to see if that fixes it
[18:41:42] <Plorntus>	 just had to up the max execution time in php too 
[18:42:04] <Plorntus>	 Seems it really does not like this image. I mean its only 1.5meg in terms of overall GIF size which isnt too bad for a gif
[18:43:15] <Plorntus>	 Hmm that seemed to work, thanks rawsted 
[18:43:19] <rawsted>	 Plorntus: sure thing
[18:43:37] <Plorntus>	 is it normal for the GIF to be very distorted in the thumbnails though?
[18:43:49] <Plorntus>	 not sure if thats an imagemagik caveat
[18:44:20] <rawsted>	 Plorntus: not sure about that, i was dealing with pngs rather than gifs
[18:44:22] <Plorntus>	 just as an example of what im talking about: https://urlivewiki.com/images/thumb/0/0c/Good_old_Dankey%21_Heading_to_the_tree%21.gif/757px-Good_old_Dankey%21_Heading_to_the_tree%21.gif
[18:44:24] <Plorntus>	 ah
[18:47:03] <Plorntus>	 Looked it up it seems like imagemagik is pretty bad at handling gifs, will probs have to look into something else then! Thanks for your help anyhow
[18:47:15] <rawsted>	 sure thing, good luck
[18:50:31] <Vritika>	 Hello ! I am Vritika Soni. I am interested in GNOME Outreach program(Outreachy). I found an interest in project of Wikimedia. I am a newbie for this project , so please tell me how can i get involve into it?
[18:54:50] <Vritika>	 Please suggest me.
[19:06:42] <MatmaRex>	 Vritika: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy and the links there
[19:21:29] <rawsted>	 i'm looking at mwoffliner to create a static version of an internal wiki. the problem is, the wiki is proected by shib (SAML) auth, and it rather seems that mwoffliner won't be able to handle this. am i correct in that observation?
[19:53:42] <Plorntus>	 Fixed my GIF issues, had to add to the imagemagik command with -coalasce and -repage 0x0
[19:53:49] <Plorntus>	 tis slow as anything though
[20:11:01] <ElGatoSaez>	 Hey, anyone knows how can I set 
[20:11:07] <ElGatoSaez>	 up mail
[21:32:09] <Mr_Queue>	 Alright, what am I doing wrong? <nowiki> isn't behaving like I expected. I'm trying to get the output of df put in as <nowiki> but it displays as a huge single line? What am I doing wrong?
[21:37:58] <Mr_Queue>	 Found it... <pre>